The invasion storyline should have been given to them. They could have added AR Fox , EJ Nduka and Leila Grey to The Hurt Syndicate and just have them put everybody in AEW on notice . Lashley should be having a Darkseid (of DC Comics) ,Thulsa Doom(Connan the Barbarian) or King Xerxes (of 300 ) effect on the whole show where he elicits fear . Instead he is always shook by Swerve ,the lowest drawing world champ ever.
@@joehenry709 I dont understand why they would feed Shelton Benjamin to Daniel Garcia. WhaI dont understand why they would feed Shelton Benjamin to Daniel Garcia. Whatt an absolute disgrace !!
The Hurt Business? yes. The Hurt Syndicate? No. Shelton loses too many matches to be taken seriously, and Swerve makes Lashley look like a fool too much for him to be taken seriously. Ppl need to stop looking at the Hurt Syndicate like it's the Hurt Business, because it's not. Just because it has 3 of the same members and still wear gold doesn't mean it's the same group that once dominated _Raw_ .
you are commenting all day on wrestling vids and they are a radio show that has 7 days of wrestling talk. No one in this space is remotely near casual fan. stfu and keep getting internet clout for wrestling takes
As an AEW fan, the riders story seems just thrown together to keep those guys happy with consistent tv time. Aew was bleeding with some talent unhappy and unused. This is Tony trying to let big stars be happy no matter what damage
All AEW does is showcase how awful Moxley is without any supervision. He wanted creative freedom and he hasn’t done anything remotely interesting since he showed up.
It's the first interesting thing they've done in ages, I'll let it play out. At least it could be a surprise how it all plays out cos i don't think they know either
The deathriders mission statement was about stamping out capitulation amongst the AEW roster. Danielson said he didn’t really want the belt despite winning it and Darby (and the rest of the roster) is yet to really move the needle for AEW. So the DRs are destroying everyone until someone steps up
Every time Moxley explains why he is doing what he is doing he sounds like the Ultimate Warrior in the sense he makes no fucking sense whatsoever. The entire story plot is a bootleg nWo. Moxley claims he hates what AEW has become. What exactly does that mean? How is this AEW vs the Death Riders? it sounds so ridiculous. I can't stand this story plot because nothing makes any sense.
Rotally agree, he says a lot of Ultimate Warrior type nonsense that doesn't actually mean anything. Empty platitudes, sort of like a politician. It's weird.
Mox's theory is that everyone is ''comfortable and soft'' in AEW so he is weeding out the ''weak''? That's how I see it lol. But I'm pretty sure this ends with Darby dethroning MOX at ALL IN in 2025
I respect Darby's fearless attitude but sorry to say no one his size and build should hold a world title. Kayfabe may be dead but we still need to suspend our disbelief. So Darby wins and lets say samoa joe comes back for the world title. Seriously going to tell me couldnt mop the floor with darby. Putting the belt on darby will make the whole roster look weak.
@@Bunbunfunfun I'd book Darby to hold the title for a month. At Forbidden Door, he defends the title against a top NJPW heel like say, David Finlay. And runs into Lashley at ALL OUT and you duplicate Cena vs Lesnar from 2014. Bobby holds the title for 8 months and drops it to a red hot Wardlow(Hopefully he leaves The Undisputed Kingdom by then.)
What even more weird is Dax is one of CM Punk best friends in real life. They defended CM Punk after the whole incident. So it's weird they are the ones standing up for AEW
@@PeteRox12 Why is Roman is a babyface? The fans may cheer for him now but like he said so himself, nothing about him has changed and he has yet to apologize to anyone.
Bun, why do you care about ticket sales? If people enjoy a product and they’re making a profit with their new tv deal then why does it matter if you don’t like it?
@@tiffanytaylor1087 no he's not he's always been mid in his career nothing super great..he makes himself seem greater than he really was... He was a jobber in WWE from the mid 2000s all the way till there return from 2013 through 2015
Good point, I think the difference in that instance is that Stallone wasn't writing it on the fly and had a complete story before he brought it to the public
That’s not what he meant. He meant actors don’t take a script and then fully rewrite their role. Like if you walk on a Tarantino set and even try to change one word you could get fired. Same with Chris Nolan. They may sit down with an actor and have a discussion. Stallone was the writer of rocky. He wrote all the parts.
Exactly, It does happen when actor can become a successful writer, director or producer. But most of the times, it falls flat. And that's what's hurting AEW, almost every wrestler in AEW thinks they can book / pitch ideas for themselves or produce their own matches and it's a garble mess while the Hardcores cheer while casuals just keep asking "Huh?" or "Why?" or "Eh"
The Death Riders are killing the ratings. I think AEW's hard reset should involve Collision and Dynamite having their own rosters so I think Tony should book a "DYNAMITE is not big enough for the both of us " storyline where The Hurt Syndicate face off against The Death Riders . Have The Hurt Syndicate recruit new members like EJ Nduka ,AR Fox and Leila Grey to bolster their numbers . Make it resemble a gang war which takes for a couple of weeks which basically which culminates on this specific episode of Dynamite where each member of the Hurt Syndicate takes on a member of the Death Riders in a series of one on one matches where the losers have to leave Dynamite . All the match results will be collectively tallied and then the group that comes up short is forced to leave Dynamite . For example : Match 1 : Leila Grey vs Marina Shafri (submission match ) Marina wins after a hard fought match. Hurt Syndicate 0 -1 Death Riders Match 2 : EJ Nduka vs Wheeler ( street fight) Nduka destroys Wheeler Hurt Syndicate 1-1 Death Riders Match 3 : AR Fox vs Claudio (Standard match) Claudio wins Hurt Syndicate 1-2 Death Riders Match 3 : Shelton vs Pac (best out of 3 match ) Do or Die match basically Shelton beats PAC by making Pac tapout to the Brock Lock submission manouvre once used by his BFF ,Brock Lesnar during the ruthless aggression era. Hurt Syndicate 2-2 Death Riders Match 4 :Bobby Lashley vs Jon Moxley (Last Man Standing Match) Plus Moxley's AEW belt is on the line. The match would have to be overbooked since both groups want to be the ones who remain on Dynamite so their members would have to come and disrupt the match because so much is at stake . Finally Bobby beats Moxley and wins the AEW world title . The Hurt Syndicate wins the war and while they celebrating in the ring,Christian Cage,clutching his guaranteed contract , is watching them from the VIP Section of the arena ...
Tournaments are death to tv ratings and viewership. Always thats the data. Your idea is too close to a tournament. Viewers change channels or go for a snack break, tournaments kill tv ratings.
AEW has no direction. Good talk because that is the main problem. Stuff needs to make sense and be handled with care. Everything seems like spur of the moment and not planned.
I love how John Mickey, Claudio, wheeler guys and pac had already explained why they are doing what they are doing and then podcasters come on and say they wanna know why this is happening. Are people intentionally just ignoring the explanation are give just to complain and get clicks, or did they actually miss the promos that these wrestlers gave?
@ Moxly thinks that the wrestlers have become complacent and refuse to grow. The young talent are not trying to grow and are in the same place they were when AEW started. When the BCC first started, moxley and Bryan wanted to build something that would last and leave a legacy. Moxley felt Bryan was too weak to do what needed to be done, that’s why they took out Bryan. Wheeler yuta and Claudio agree’s with moxley and see moxley has a vision of making AEW what it should be instead of this place where everyone is friends and competition does not matter. Pax had been lost since returning to AEW and didn’t know his place in the company. He was supposed to be with the death triangle but that ended up no where and moxley gave him a purpose and something to fight for. Now you may not like the reasons, which is fine. You can think it is weak or what ever negative statement you have against the reasoning. Which is your opinion. But to say that they gave you no reason and to scream that you want to know why is complete crap and a lie because they told you. They sound more like Vince McMahon everyday day with the bs lies that anyone can find out for themselves is a lie and treat the wrestling fans like they are stupid and will believe anything you say because of your platform and you said it.
Most people have not " got it". Thats because its extremely poorly executed. If viewers dont even remember the explanation thats on Moxley. Thats the part of what seperates great from just ok pro wrestlers. Its his job as the instigator to get our attention and make us listen. Moxley and the story fails to do that.
Let’s be real with ourselves- if you want good storytelling, AEW is not for you. Tony Khan basically said exactly that in the past- “Our goal is to showcase competitive and exciting matches.” Every now and then, a good story pops up, but most storylines they try are terrible. If you want stories, watch WWE.
Old macmahon trick drag out an ange that sucks for too long to spring your masterwork angle to followup. Vince macmahon did that regularly. So if shane learned anything its how to turn a crap angle around. Even if shane did get on board means zero with tony still directing creative.
The whole point of the Death Riders is that they know what they want to accomplish and they don't owe anyone an explanation. That being said, we will find out. Let it build. It's still fairly young. I know our attention spans aren't what they used to be but we have to let it build as fans.
You do understand that you're validating my comment by responding. You've been worked. 😂 Just don't respond if you don't agree. Comments are made to respond to.
Moxley has explained it but everyone is being to ignorant to realise it He’s said multiple times it’s the ego in aew that is the problem Moxley and co turned on Danielson because Danielson said he’s done as a full time wrestler This is getting good I just wanna see moxley add more people and slowly start taking all the titles cause they’ve already got possession of the world title and trio’s title why not add more to the group Mox can say something along the lines of we have all the gold and all the power that comes with it but no wants to stand up to us we’ll have no choice but to make you
@@aaronlucas8128 I think it was Bully who said it, but Mox didn't really articulate his motivation. Mox saying "i want to cleanse AEW of egos" isn't really a clear motivation. The Bullet Club formed because the founding members felt like NJPW management created a glass ceiling over the gaijin talent, and that it was up to them to band together to shatter that ceiling by any means. That is a clearly articulated motivation. The Death Riders lack that.
This is the thing with Jon Moxley storylines, he is very JJ Abrams Esque, where he knows how to pull you in with a really good hook, but he has nothing past that and it all just goes off the rails into crazy town after a while Deathriders started with a great hook, that whole "This isn't your company anymore" thing, and making it feel like he was gonna build to something......then it just devolved into a bunch of people coming out of the crowd, laying everyone out, and leaving, and cryptic promos with no direction. If you think back to the early days of BCC, it was the same thing, where there was a good narrative hook there with Danielson and William Regal, that little mini story with Wheeler Yuta was great, then Claudio was just a natural fit after that....then it just kinda got stale and devolved into a bunch of people coming out of the crowd, laying out everyone in the ring, and leaving, and cryptic promos with no direction. Basically you have this combination of two really bad behaviors. First, you have Tony Khan doing what he does when he's panicking, and thats give Join Moxley the world title. Then you have Jon Moxley doing what he does when he's out of ideas, and thats revert back to doing what he did back when he was in The Shield. It's a bunch of people trying to go back to something that once worked hoping it will work again, and experiencing diminishing returns.
Shane MacMahon was meant to come in, things changed, so Mox was given the freedom to take it where he wants and it's bad, they have no interest in explaining any of this, it's failing big time
Tony needs to show some guts accept his shortcomings and create a team where only he and they would be decision makers.. .. Use your resources properly tony we all want you to succeed.. .
Isnt Edge supposed to finish his feud with Malakai Black first ? Afterall ,he broke his leg while feuding with Malakai . And now he makes a beeline for Moxley and friends ? Why?
Edge leads an ex-WWE group to rescue AEW from another ex-WWE group that claimed to return AEW to its original ways. What. The. FFFFFF???? Make it make sense!!!
All while the actual EVPs were no where to be found after failing to take over AEW earlier this year. One EVP finally came back, but instead of going against the ex-WWE group who’s trying to take over his company, he goes back to a rivalry 10 years passed its expiration date for a belt no one cares but they set up 2 months of TV just to get here. Mean while, the black ex-WWE group is the one that all the AEW fans want to take over the company. Any of that make sense???
Edge and FTR were part of the rescue crew after hurricane helene and Asheville is his home town, they went through hell with the people of Asheville and now they’re going to give them a show tonight. It’s very simple guys, you just have to do a small amount of research and let go of your bitterness for a minute
It doesn’t make sense because you’re misinformed. Just like when I didn’t understand why the Wyatt’s were going after Gable, but I didn’t whine like you and Dave. I researched and found out, wrestling stories aren’t always for casual fans, sometimes they’re for regular religious watchers.
Wouldn’t blame him either these people are all jumping on a hate bandwagon for views. That’s all it is. They’re doing this because it’s popular to hate on AEW, meanwhile people who like it are just excited for it tonight. Everyone acting like WWE has perfect writing and never has any boring storylines. Who the fuck is pure fusion collection???
TK doesn't need to hand creative over but needs to either sit under a learning tree or have a group of three to run things by who aren't wrestlers. One of them needs to be JR.
What I took from this is… Mark Henry used to work for AEW. And you see the way he talks about them since he left. That tells me there are more like him backstage that know a lot of what AEW does sucks and makes no sense. But they’re employed, making a fat check, and probably under NDAs. So they can’t (won’t) speak up
Very interesting discussion on how talent cannot / should not write the scripts / shows without supervision or assistants and how that goes for all shows. A good example is Yellowstone, Taylor Sheridan was only occasionally on-screen and it was great, in the final season, he was on too much, too much of a mark for himself, writing himself with all kinds of strippers etc. In wrestling, think of VKM (all the sexual stuff), HHH beating/ burying all the WCW guys, Dusty, Russo (probably the most egregious example).
Adam Copeland does not necessarily fight for AEW, in the same sense that Darby and Cassidy does. Copeland may just not want to see people getting attacked and injured like what the Death Riders is doing to people.
Copeland is the biggest babyface in AEW bar Osprey and Toni Storm. That’s why he’s up against them, and because Asheville is his town of residence and he and FTR were part of the rescue team after the hurricane.
I always thought it was a previous association thing with the Death Riders. Also a no nonsense attitude full of free aggression. Wheeler Yuta doesn’t feel like he has a choice. As for Ricohet I hope they use his talents effectively in 2025.
The original plan involved Shane McMahon stepping in, with Mox and his crew working under him. However, those plans fell apart some time ago. As a result, Mox no longer hints at working for someone else, which explains why this storyline now feels so disjointed and lackluster.
People who enjoy the show watch it, if you don’t enjoy it don’t watch it. Hate-watching is not healthy, that’s what online trolls do. Reality is the people watching weekly do like it
AEW and story telling….😂😂😂😂😂 I can just imagine how much stuff Vince said no to with Moxley. Thank god Brock shut him down for their Wrestlemania 32 match.
LOL Does Dave really want to know why Wheeler, Claudio and Pac are with Mox??? Has he NOT watched AEW programming the last 3 years?? And he calls himself an AEW fan?? How can I take this conversation seriously?? Dave also asked why FTR is fighting for AEW. Has Dave not watched Collision the past month?? If he did he wouldn't ask that dumb question. Why is Copeland with FTR? It's pretty obvious why if you are a true fan and know that FTR and Copeland are best friends and next door neighbors in Asheville, NC. Here Dave, the Death Riders abducted FTR a few weeks which is why they have been off TV. Now FTR wants their revenge against the Death Riders, and brought along their friend Copeland to help even the playing field. Is that too hard to figure out?? Mox has said "why" he's doing this. He said it several times actually if you listen to his promos. He said he doesn't like the direction AEW is headed so the Death Riders are there to "save" AEW. Go watch his first few promos. No wonder TK stopped calling into this show LOL.
Becuz mox doesn't have enough talent to be alone instead of in a faction that do all the work for him and he's just dragging the death riders careers down too to where they will not be able to recover after the split.
I think Moxley has talent but he's the epitome of somebody who should not be booking himself. He thinks everybody loves his stuff but doesn't realize how niche it is to a bigger audience.
Claudio and PAC are made guys I don't think they get dragged down by this, Wheeler Yuta is who he is and I don't think fans will care any more or less about him than they already did. Probably the only person who looks strong with this storyline is Marina Shafir who has a Chyna type aura where she's not afraid to kick the men's and women's asses and she's got a legit MMA background so that also helps.
Here’s the problem: William Regal left. They cant call themselves the Blackpool Combat Club anymore because it doesnt make sense. Deathriders was a lazy pivot and their direction doesnt make sense
Look, you guys don't need to do the stupid faces in the thumbnails anymore, thats been a dead tactic for over a year now, maybe just show your faces and a picture of who you're talking about, you're a professional broadcast by God don't lower yourselves to that level
Mox keeps saying their going to change AEW. How? All they do is attack the same few people and leave. They aren't even doing the one thing they've said they want to do. When Joe was champion, he reinstated the ranking system so people had to work to get a title shot. That was making a change. Mox keeps saying change is coming, but all this cryptic stuff has been going for too long.
They’re already changing AEW though. People are becoming more ruthless. Darby is ruthless and will do anything to win, edge too, he’s not a typical babyface, he’ll do heel things to win. Thats why the death riders want, they want to bring out everyone’s dark side.
There is no why. Moxley is booking it and apparently he thinks the more he talks in circles the more intriguing it gets when in reality everyone has already check out on caring
I mean they literally have Jake Roberts and Dustin Rhodes under contract and Dean Malenko (they had Arn who would have been another person) the problem is there is too much creative freedom in AEW which in theory sounds great but some people need a machine like WWE or creative writers otherwise you get a story like this death rider story that makes no sense. I mean AEW has been very good to Moxley so it makes no sense why he wants to bring it down. What's the motive? Honestly there isn't one and that's why nobody can get into this story because there's no kind of logical motive why Moxley is doing this or why people decided to join him. It's gotta make sense sometimes
Second note I think they are trying to prolong this logic so they think we forget that Shane McMahon can possibly be coming to AEW. As the higher power.
Edge leads an ex-WWE group to rescue AEW from another ex-WWE group that claims to return AEW to its original ways. All while the actual EVPs were no where to be found after failing to take over AEW earlier this year. One EVP finally came back, but instead of going against said ex-WWE group who’s trying to take over his company, he goes back to a rivalry 10 years passed expiration date for a belt no one cares but yet they set up 2 months of TV jobbing everyone out just to get here. Mean while, the black ex-WWE group is the one that all the AEW fans actually wanted to take over the company. What. The. FFFFFF???? Make it make sense!!!
Mark, who was telling Vince what to do n the WWE? In football, who tells Jerry Jones what to do? NOBODY is telling Tony what to do... Mox having all this creative is Tony's fault!
Well there are a lot of reasons for that, and the wrong one in my opinion. They do a lot of things that makes them injured being one of them some may say. To paraphrase Kofi Kingston’s words recently: “yeah they get injured, so what!?” What stops them from making good storyline? They’re just not experienced or they’re caught up in their egos and they just do what they want for the traffic, so they believe that one-dimensional story is the equivalent of “traffic farming”. It doesn’t matter what Dave “I keep a poster of Tony Khan all over my house” Meltzer says, they (Tony Khan and every booker under him) really need to get their act together when it comes to storytelling. Don’t just keep overpushing the huge stars, there are a number of young talent with a lot of potential, some of them are literally and figuratively still young, that being Top Flight, Private Party, The Acclaimed, Skye Blue, Julia Hart, Lee Johnson, and Kyle Fletcher, the latter of whom has learned a lot under his compatriot Mark Davis, Will Ospreay, one of the greatest wrestlers of the modern era who I also believe that being in bland storylines kind of killed his aura slightly, and Don Callis, one of the greatest heels in this business, which has benefited him. A lot of guys from Down Under who trained under Robbie Eagles and Madison Eagles have become huge stars in their own right, Fletcher being one of them. Death Riders need a manager so their aura can be more imposing. If Blackpool Combat Club had William Regal, Nigel McGuinness would fit with the Death Riders.
"Kevin Smith" was the first name that popped into my head as an example of an actor who writes their own movies, but I'm sure that any actor who DOES write their own movies and dialog will still bounce their ideas off of their peers, friends, or people they trust.
Moxleybbad guy persona is soo horribly cringe and overacted. If they gave Jon a chance at booking, don’t ever do it again without a board of other wrestlers approving
How'd I fix the why? After a few fights with Rated RFTR, I'd have Moxely make the most babyface promo giving the why while many AEW talent stand on the ramp. The promo tells the story of how an out of touch billionaire nearly destroyed pro wrestling. He can go over the embarrassing things done to FTR. Have them nod in agreement. Mox will warn that he sees the same thing happening in the back with a younger billionaire. He implores them to see he's right. They all need to ride or die for Pro wrestling making it sound like AEW and their fans are the last hope. They only way to save AEW is to beat the poison of the wacko millionaire out of them. Copeland and FTR look at each other and nod before attacking those on the ramp creating a super faction (they have too much talent anyway). For weeks they run roughshod over the whole roster seeing their numbers swell with Mercedes and other ex-WWE talent (ex. Adam Cole) and some young up and comers. (Use Ray Fenix as a punching bag.) The locker room goes to Omega who is consumed with Okada and can't help. The Young Bucks can start their own faction of loyalist to them (blur the line between face and heel like it was originally and reality too). Have the Bucks cost Omega his match against Okada because he has stayed neutral. This sparks Omega building a stable of faces for all genders. This can be used to push some talent into the upper card and train younger talent to the next level. They can bring in Darby and a few blue chips to fight both the Death Riders and the Bucks corporate faction. (I'd even bring in the American Dragon as a manager with a few proteges to help fight and eventually go neutral). This is a mix and match of heel and face depending on who fights who and what the fans lean toward that can last a few years where at the end all three faction disappear with new faces and heels to take the spotlight. It won't happen because at the end of the day TK is the big boss heel that needs to be stopped and may even eventually go face with a much happier fan base. Done right, this could be a captivating and great story.
Respectfully Bully, I think they've already missed a golden opportunity with Kyle Fletcher not winning the Continental Classic tournament. If though I think the tournament is flawed in principle. Tony Khan is so infatuated with New Japan and the G-1 Climax he created his own America version. The problem with the CC tournament is why would the current Continental Champion be put at a disadvantage where the winner of the tournament is crowned new champion and you can have a new champion every year based off who's hot. The current champion should get an automatic bye to the finals and face the winner of the Gold league or Blue league. Anyway back to Kyle Fletcher he should've won and kept being elevated like his stablemate Takeshita. As a reminder, Kyle Fletcher has already wrestled Okada in the Continental Classic giving him his second loss in AEW ever. I'm not interested in seeing Fletcher wrestle Okada anytime soon or wrestle Kenny Omega regardless who wins at All In Texas. Thank you as always for your great wrestling knowledge and acumen.
I can name 2 actors that have written for themselves. Sly Stallon and Ben Affleck. It's super rare when it works so it's not something everybody should do. AEW is running into that issue. Tony has allowed the talent to write their stories. Tony has only made matches with his wrestling fan fantasies. What I mean by that is... Tony says this is the match he wants and the talent plans out what they want to do in the build up to that match. The only two guys in AEW that should have booked their own stories was Sting and CM Punk. Sting has earned the right to do that due to his longevity in the business. CM Punk was their biggest draw and anything he did had the potential of becoming gold.
Bruce Lee did people forget he wrote the way of the dragon/return of the dragon. The famous fight scene with him and chuck norris. He still holds up to this day not only he wrote that movie he directed it, produced it, star in it, choeograph it and the cinematography. He wore all the hats on that film
You guys keep bringing this back to stuff you did in another company. If you wanna really help them, provide feedback in the the way AEW operates. You're not gonna change their processes to the WWE way. So get more creative with your critiques. It's like a rockstar telling a rapstar how to perform. Different style and audiences.
No, AEW needs to operate the way any successful promotion would operate. AEW is trying to re-invent the wheel, and it's not working. The business shouldn't have to cater to way AEW wants to do things. AEW just needs to stop getting in its own in thinking that they're doing something revolutionary by drifting away from a formula that has been proven to work for decades.
@decepticonxhunter4850 that's bull crap. If all companies operated the same, then there would be no reason to watch any of them. Differences is what makes the world interesting.
Hurt Syndicate are more of a threat than Death Riders.
Facts
The invasion storyline should have been given to them.
They could have added AR Fox , EJ Nduka and Leila Grey to The Hurt Syndicate and just have them put everybody in AEW on notice .
Lashley should be having a Darkseid (of DC Comics) ,Thulsa Doom(Connan the Barbarian) or King Xerxes (of 300 ) effect on the whole show where he elicits fear .
Instead he is always shook by Swerve ,the lowest drawing world champ ever.
Even with Shelton losing every match?
@@joehenry709
I dont understand why they would feed Shelton Benjamin to Daniel Garcia.
WhaI dont understand why they would feed Shelton Benjamin to Daniel Garcia.
Whatt an absolute disgrace !!
The Hurt Business? yes. The Hurt Syndicate? No. Shelton loses too many matches to be taken seriously, and Swerve makes Lashley look like a fool too much for him to be taken seriously. Ppl need to stop looking at the Hurt Syndicate like it's the Hurt Business, because it's not. Just because it has 3 of the same members and still wear gold doesn't mean it's the same group that once dominated _Raw_ .
2:17 Dave's promo is the voice of ever fan casually watching anything AEW.
you are commenting all day on wrestling vids and they are a radio show that has 7 days of wrestling talk. No one in this space is remotely near casual fan. stfu and keep getting internet clout for wrestling takes
Hahaha on point.
As an AEW fan, the riders story seems just thrown together to keep those guys happy with consistent tv time. Aew was bleeding with some talent unhappy and unused. This is Tony trying to let big stars be happy no matter what damage
The story is still playing out.
The storyline should have been given to The Hurt Syndicate.
Its started nowhere and is going nowhere.
well said
@@AzaNaphtaliwhat story
All AEW does is showcase how awful Moxley is without any supervision. He wanted creative freedom and he hasn’t done anything remotely interesting since he showed up.
Facts
@@MrChrisStingray watch his interview with Steve Austin
No shots fired but Mox has made big moves in AEW but this storyline like the Elite storyline needs experienced supervision.
@@Quis27without the Punk feud, what has Mox done. All this storyline has shown is ex wwe guys vs Ex wwe guys saving AEW with Darby Allen included.
It's the first interesting thing they've done in ages, I'll let it play out. At least it could be a surprise how it all plays out cos i don't think they know either
Man Dave's passion is un- matched
The deathriders mission statement was about stamping out capitulation amongst the AEW roster. Danielson said he didn’t really want the belt despite winning it and Darby (and the rest of the roster) is yet to really move the needle for AEW. So the DRs are destroying everyone until someone steps up
These are the questions we need answered.
Shane dropped out and now they have no direction
If you watch the shows you know why Claudio, Yuta and Pac are with Mox. If you watch the show you know why FTR is after the Death Riders.
Listen to Dave. He's making valid points @@PeteRox12
@@PeteRox12 ok then explain why
@@battman0624 Read my post it's right there.
There's a reason why this is my all time favorite wrestling podcast. These 3 great minds get it. I rarely disagree with them
Every time Moxley explains why he is doing what he is doing he sounds like the Ultimate Warrior in the sense he makes no fucking sense whatsoever. The entire story plot is a bootleg nWo. Moxley claims he hates what AEW has become. What exactly does that mean? How is this AEW vs the Death Riders? it sounds so ridiculous. I can't stand this story plot because nothing makes any sense.
Rotally agree, he says a lot of Ultimate Warrior type nonsense that doesn't actually mean anything. Empty platitudes, sort of like a politician. It's weird.
Great explanation by Mark Henry. He learned a lot.
Mox's theory is that everyone is ''comfortable and soft'' in AEW so he is weeding out the ''weak''? That's how I see it lol. But I'm pretty sure this ends with Darby dethroning MOX at ALL IN in 2025
Then it’s a good thing Darby has been taking Ls in the tournament and getting his ass beat every week. Ready to be world champion!
I respect Darby's fearless attitude but sorry to say no one his size and build should hold a world title. Kayfabe may be dead but we still need to suspend our disbelief. So Darby wins and lets say samoa joe comes back for the world title. Seriously going to tell me couldnt mop the floor with darby. Putting the belt on darby will make the whole roster look weak.
@@Bunbunfunfun I'd book Darby to hold the title for a month. At Forbidden Door, he defends the title against a top NJPW heel like say, David Finlay. And runs into Lashley at ALL OUT and you duplicate Cena vs Lesnar from 2014. Bobby holds the title for 8 months and drops it to a red hot Wardlow(Hopefully he leaves The Undisputed Kingdom by then.)
@@calebdodoo9965red hot Wardlow? He's going to take a lot of warming up
@@calebdodoo9965he’s in the undisputed kingdom? Lmfao
Busted Open 24/7 on Sirius for 2025!
You don’t have the answers Sway
What even more weird is Dax is one of CM Punk best friends in real life. They defended CM Punk after the whole incident. So it's weird they are the ones standing up for AEW
Mox already explained this, what is Dave talking about?
Now every actor is fit to be a writer or director. Likewise, not every wrestler is fit to create and manage their own storylines.
TELL ME WHYYYYYY (ain’t nothing but a heartache)
I still don't get why they beat up and turned on Bryan Danielson
Not only turned on him but tried to MURDER him
Why did Roman come back as a face when he left as a heel? Roman did NOTHING on TV during WrestleMania and when he returned at the PPV.
@@PeteRox12 because Solo made himself the Tribal Chief. Also, Solo kicked out everyone from the Bloodline 1.0 group.
@@PeteRox12 Why is Roman is a babyface? The fans may cheer for him now but like he said so himself, nothing about him has changed and he has yet to apologize to anyone.
@@PeteRox12 Tony Khan? Is this your burner account?
Aint no bs like a billionaires bs.
What’s crazy is the vacuum of AEW fans on Reddit who are convinced they are worlds smarter and everyone else just doesn’t get it
Reddit, wrestletalk comment section, Steve and Larson comment section. It’s just humorous to read those every now and then
Unfortunately having support of the pro wrestling online supernerds does not translate to tv ratngs and live ticket sales.
@@Bunbunfunfun we’ve been trying to warn em for years. Now look at em? Couldn’t have happened to a greater group people
Bun, why do you care about ticket sales? If people enjoy a product and they’re making a profit with their new tv deal then why does it matter if you don’t like it?
Bully should be booking AEW. Pure wrestling genius. Love to hear his ideas. Happy New Year Busted Open Nation !
Nah his ideas are boring as fuck and generic
Hell no!...have you forgotten that god awful aces&8 or whatever the hell they were called that was his brainchild
No lies told!!! AEW seriously should hire him for creative!!!! He’s so smart and opens your mind on anything wrestling.
@@tiffanytaylor1087 no he's not he's always been mid in his career nothing super great..he makes himself seem greater than he really was... He was a jobber in WWE from the mid 2000s all the way till there return from 2013 through 2015
Actors have written their own parts. Didn’t Stallone write and direct Rocky? It’s not unheard of, it just hardly ever works out.
Good point, I think the difference in that instance is that Stallone wasn't writing it on the fly and had a complete story before he brought it to the public
That’s not what he meant. He meant actors don’t take a script and then fully rewrite their role. Like if you walk on a Tarantino set and even try to change one word you could get fired. Same with Chris Nolan. They may sit down with an actor and have a discussion.
Stallone was the writer of rocky. He wrote all the parts.
Exactly, It does happen when actor can become a successful writer, director or producer. But most of the times, it falls flat. And that's what's hurting AEW, almost every wrestler in AEW thinks they can book / pitch ideas for themselves or produce their own matches and it's a garble mess while the Hardcores cheer while casuals just keep asking "Huh?" or "Why?" or "Eh"
Yeah Bruce Lee wrote Way of the Dragon/Return of the Dragon. He directed it produced it cinematography of it. I think that worked out
2:17 WHY?! Isn't part of TK's booking
Preach Dave. I'm with you 💯%
Thankyou Bubba for the honesty
death riders is nothing more than a wannabe badass because moxley imagine himself as the 2nd coming of steve austin
I feel like Mox thinks he is a Brock Lesnar 2.0 with how "strong" he books his character :D
The Death Riders are killing the ratings. I think AEW's hard reset should involve Collision and Dynamite having their own rosters so I think Tony should book a "DYNAMITE is not big enough for the both of us " storyline where The Hurt Syndicate face off against The Death Riders .
Have The Hurt Syndicate recruit new members like EJ Nduka ,AR Fox and Leila Grey to bolster their numbers .
Make it resemble a gang war which takes for a couple of weeks which basically which culminates on this specific episode of Dynamite where each member of the Hurt Syndicate takes on a member of the Death Riders in a series of one on one matches where the losers have to leave Dynamite .
All the match results will be collectively tallied and then the group that comes up short is forced to leave Dynamite .
For example :
Match 1 : Leila Grey vs Marina Shafri (submission match )
Marina wins after a hard fought match.
Hurt Syndicate 0 -1 Death Riders
Match 2 : EJ Nduka vs Wheeler ( street fight)
Nduka destroys Wheeler
Hurt Syndicate 1-1 Death Riders
Match 3 : AR Fox vs Claudio (Standard match)
Claudio wins
Hurt Syndicate 1-2 Death Riders
Match 3 : Shelton vs Pac (best out of 3 match )
Do or Die match basically
Shelton beats PAC by making Pac tapout to the Brock Lock submission manouvre once used by his BFF ,Brock Lesnar during the ruthless aggression era.
Hurt Syndicate 2-2 Death Riders
Match 4 :Bobby Lashley vs Jon Moxley (Last Man Standing Match)
Plus Moxley's AEW belt is on the line.
The match would have to be overbooked since both groups want to be the ones who remain on Dynamite so their members would have to come and disrupt the match because so much is at stake .
Finally Bobby beats Moxley and wins the AEW world title .
The Hurt Syndicate wins the war and while they celebrating in the ring,Christian Cage,clutching his guaranteed contract , is watching them from the VIP Section of the arena ...
@@Hunkzilla good idea
Tournaments are death to tv ratings and viewership. Always thats the data. Your idea is too close to a tournament. Viewers change channels or go for a snack break, tournaments kill tv ratings.
@@Bunbunfunfun
Its not a tournament. Its a gang/turf war between two factions.
Viewers can tell the difference .
The correct answer is the same one Bully would give for the numerous WWE booking decisions...Because.
Lmao 😂😂😂
AEW has no direction. Good talk because that is the main problem. Stuff needs to make sense and be handled with care. Everything seems like spur of the moment and not planned.
I love how John Mickey, Claudio, wheeler guys and pac had already explained why they are doing what they are doing and then podcasters come on and say they wanna know why this is happening. Are people intentionally just ignoring the explanation are give just to complain and get clicks, or did they actually miss the promos that these wrestlers gave?
Can you please tell me why. I must have missed it
@ Moxly thinks that the wrestlers have become complacent and refuse to grow. The young talent are not trying to grow and are in the same place they were when AEW started. When the BCC first started, moxley and Bryan wanted to build something that would last and leave a legacy. Moxley felt Bryan was too weak to do what needed to be done, that’s why they took out Bryan. Wheeler yuta and Claudio agree’s with moxley and see moxley has a vision of making AEW what it should be instead of this place where everyone is friends and competition does not matter. Pax had been lost since returning to AEW and didn’t know his place in the company. He was supposed to be with the death triangle but that ended up no where and moxley gave him a purpose and something to fight for.
Now you may not like the reasons, which is fine. You can think it is weak or what ever negative statement you have against the reasoning. Which is your opinion. But to say that they gave you no reason and to scream that you want to know why is complete crap and a lie because they told you. They sound more like Vince McMahon everyday day with the bs lies that anyone can find out for themselves is a lie and treat the wrestling fans like they are stupid and will believe anything you say because of your platform and you said it.
Thank you for explaining it to me
Most people have not " got it". Thats because its extremely poorly executed. If viewers dont even remember the explanation thats on Moxley. Thats the part of what seperates great from just ok pro wrestlers. Its his job as the instigator to get our attention and make us listen. Moxley and the story fails to do that.
You’re the only one that watches AEW. Man!! What a disappointment Busted Open has become. Moronic haters.
Let’s be real with ourselves- if you want good storytelling, AEW is not for you. Tony Khan basically said exactly that in the past- “Our goal is to showcase competitive and exciting matches.” Every now and then, a good story pops up, but most storylines they try are terrible. If you want stories, watch WWE.
I believe this story ends with Shane McMahon being with Moxley as his financial backer
Are you serious, there is NO WAY IN HELL Shane would have let this crap go this far
Old macmahon trick drag out an ange that sucks for too long to spring your masterwork angle to followup. Vince macmahon did that regularly. So if shane learned anything its how to turn a crap angle around. Even if shane did get on board means zero with tony still directing creative.
The whole point of the Death Riders is that they know what they want to accomplish and they don't owe anyone an explanation. That being said, we will find out. Let it build. It's still fairly young. I know our attention spans aren't what they used to be but we have to let it build as fans.
7:20 lmao @ Mark with the impromptu Lucifer promo
I feel Moxley has explained his "Why?" He's just been so vague that feels like he's making it up himself.
Dude really 🤣🤣🤣. You should have not even commented if that's what you had say
You do understand that you're validating my comment by responding. You've been worked. 😂 Just don't respond if you don't agree. Comments are made to respond to.
word salad ass promos man
Moxley has explained it but everyone is being to ignorant to realise it
He’s said multiple times it’s the ego in aew that is the problem
Moxley and co turned on Danielson because Danielson said he’s done as a full time wrestler
This is getting good I just wanna see moxley add more people and slowly start taking all the titles cause they’ve already got possession of the world title and trio’s title why not add more to the group
Mox can say something along the lines of we have all the gold and all the power that comes with it but no wants to stand up to us we’ll have no choice but to make you
@@aaronlucas8128 I think it was Bully who said it, but Mox didn't really articulate his motivation. Mox saying "i want to cleanse AEW of egos" isn't really a clear motivation. The Bullet Club formed because the founding members felt like NJPW management created a glass ceiling over the gaijin talent, and that it was up to them to band together to shatter that ceiling by any means. That is a clearly articulated motivation. The Death Riders lack that.
"The best guy is Tony KhAAAN ☃️" - Dave Meltzer
Tony the snowman
😂
It would have worked if they managed to get Shane, but that isn't happening
This is the thing with Jon Moxley storylines, he is very JJ Abrams Esque, where he knows how to pull you in with a really good hook, but he has nothing past that and it all just goes off the rails into crazy town after a while
Deathriders started with a great hook, that whole "This isn't your company anymore" thing, and making it feel like he was gonna build to something......then it just devolved into a bunch of people coming out of the crowd, laying everyone out, and leaving, and cryptic promos with no direction.
If you think back to the early days of BCC, it was the same thing, where there was a good narrative hook there with Danielson and William Regal, that little mini story with Wheeler Yuta was great, then Claudio was just a natural fit after that....then it just kinda got stale and devolved into a bunch of people coming out of the crowd, laying out everyone in the ring, and leaving, and cryptic promos with no direction.
Basically you have this combination of two really bad behaviors. First, you have Tony Khan doing what he does when he's panicking, and thats give Join Moxley the world title. Then you have Jon Moxley doing what he does when he's out of ideas, and thats revert back to doing what he did back when he was in The Shield. It's a bunch of people trying to go back to something that once worked hoping it will work again, and experiencing diminishing returns.
can't wait for the dave lagreca and jdfromny206 collab
they both say tell me why the same way about aew😂
Gotta get dave a camera with a gyro in it to get it stable for his rants lol
Nothing will work with Ricochet if he can't talk on the mic, no matter what character you give him 🤷♂️
Is that JD’s uncle🤣🤣Mark is right but ultimately Tony has the final say😉
Yes the blame is on Tony...Mark don't know wrestling Tony is 100% at fault he is creative there
Shane MacMahon was meant to come in, things changed, so Mox was given the freedom to take it where he wants and it's bad, they have no interest in explaining any of this, it's failing big time
Tony needs to show some guts accept his shortcomings and create a team where only he and they would be decision makers.. ..
Use your resources properly tony we all want you to succeed.. .
Isnt Edge supposed to finish his feud with Malakai Black first ? Afterall ,he broke his leg while feuding with Malakai .
And now he makes a beeline for Moxley and friends ?
Why?
Edge leads an ex-WWE group to rescue AEW from another ex-WWE group that claimed to return AEW to its original ways. What. The. FFFFFF???? Make it make sense!!!
All while the actual EVPs were no where to be found after failing to take over AEW earlier this year. One EVP finally came back, but instead of going against the ex-WWE group who’s trying to take over his company, he goes back to a rivalry 10 years passed its expiration date for a belt no one cares but they set up 2 months of TV just to get here. Mean while, the black ex-WWE group is the one that all the AEW fans want to take over the company.
Any of that make sense???
Edge and FTR were part of the rescue crew after hurricane helene and Asheville is his home town, they went through hell with the people of Asheville and now they’re going to give them a show tonight. It’s very simple guys, you just have to do a small amount of research and let go of your bitterness for a minute
😂😂😂 dave going off..dave the answer is bad booking and letting moxely do whatever..budda speaking facts
Yall are literally saying what I yell at my TV watching aew😂 it doesn't make sense
It doesn’t make sense because you’re misinformed. Just like when I didn’t understand why the Wyatt’s were going after Gable, but I didn’t whine like you and Dave. I researched and found out, wrestling stories aren’t always for casual fans, sometimes they’re for regular religious watchers.
TK isn't appearing on Busted Open anytime soon 🤣🤣🤣
Wouldn’t blame him either these people are all jumping on a hate bandwagon for views. That’s all it is. They’re doing this because it’s popular to hate on AEW, meanwhile people who like it are just excited for it tonight. Everyone acting like WWE has perfect writing and never has any boring storylines. Who the fuck is pure fusion collection???
TK doesn't need to hand creative over but needs to either sit under a learning tree or have a group of three to run things by who aren't wrestlers. One of them needs to be JR.
What I took from this is… Mark Henry used to work for AEW. And you see the way he talks about them since he left. That tells me there are more like him backstage that know a lot of what AEW does sucks and makes no sense. But they’re employed, making a fat check, and probably under NDAs. So they can’t (won’t) speak up
Trying to make sense of terrible booking will turn you into Dave lol
Very interesting discussion on how talent cannot / should not write the scripts / shows without supervision or assistants and how that goes for all shows. A good example is Yellowstone, Taylor Sheridan was only occasionally on-screen and it was great, in the final season, he was on too much, too much of a mark for himself, writing himself with all kinds of strippers etc. In wrestling, think of VKM (all the sexual stuff), HHH beating/ burying all the WCW guys, Dusty, Russo (probably the most egregious example).
Dave is such a clown. Kyle Fletcher should have won? You'd all whine nonstop if Okada lost to Fletcher lmao
I don't think so. Okada is at a point where he can afford to start putting younger guys over, especially because he's just there for the money anyway.
Adam Copeland does not necessarily fight for AEW, in the same sense that Darby and Cassidy does. Copeland may just not want to see people getting attacked and injured like what the Death Riders is doing to people.
Copeland is the biggest babyface in AEW bar Osprey and Toni Storm. That’s why he’s up against them, and because Asheville is his town of residence and he and FTR were part of the rescue team after the hurricane.
I always thought it was a previous association thing with the Death Riders. Also a no nonsense attitude full of free aggression. Wheeler Yuta doesn’t feel like he has a choice. As for Ricohet I hope they use his talents effectively in 2025.
The original plan involved Shane McMahon stepping in, with Mox and his crew working under him. However, those plans fell apart some time ago. As a result, Mox no longer hints at working for someone else, which explains why this storyline now feels so disjointed and lackluster.
Tony needs to hire Bully as the head of creative
Bully won't go too AEW because his still friends with Devon.
This guy is starting to sound like JD from New York to see what aew does the people
i got a solution Stop Watching AEW. maybe tony will finally get the fkn message
People who enjoy the show watch it, if you don’t enjoy it don’t watch it. Hate-watching is not healthy, that’s what online trolls do. Reality is the people watching weekly do like it
I thought tournaments were supposed to elevate talent.
Tournaments are tv ratings killers.
The riders are going after all the wrestlers with the most heart!
AEW and story telling….😂😂😂😂😂
I can just imagine how much stuff Vince said no to with Moxley. Thank god Brock shut him down for their Wrestlemania 32 match.
I remember that
Dave the Angry Mark. Here's the thing ...The Booking for Death Riders, outside of Moxley, is to keep the rest of the crew on TV
LOL Does Dave really want to know why Wheeler, Claudio and Pac are with Mox??? Has he NOT watched AEW programming the last 3 years?? And he calls himself an AEW fan?? How can I take this conversation seriously?? Dave also asked why FTR is fighting for AEW. Has Dave not watched Collision the past month?? If he did he wouldn't ask that dumb question. Why is Copeland with FTR? It's pretty obvious why if you are a true fan and know that FTR and Copeland are best friends and next door neighbors in Asheville, NC. Here Dave, the Death Riders abducted FTR a few weeks which is why they have been off TV. Now FTR wants their revenge against the Death Riders, and brought along their friend Copeland to help even the playing field. Is that too hard to figure out??
Mox has said "why" he's doing this. He said it several times actually if you listen to his promos. He said he doesn't like the direction AEW is headed so the Death Riders are there to "save" AEW. Go watch his first few promos.
No wonder TK stopped calling into this show LOL.
@@PeteRox12 save AEW from what? Tony Khan? He never explains anything or gives a reason for his faction lol. He's a joke
@@DomLab-g2nHe wants to make AEW better, that's how he is saving it . He's a heel, so he will speak in riddles. Is that too hard to comprehend?
2:25 not saying he’s wrong cause he’s not but guy Dave is shot😂
Becuz mox doesn't have enough talent to be alone instead of in a faction that do all the work for him and he's just dragging the death riders careers down too to where they will not be able to recover after the split.
I think Moxley has talent but he's the epitome of somebody who should not be booking himself. He thinks everybody loves his stuff but doesn't realize how niche it is to a bigger audience.
Whos he really dragging? cause it sure isnt Claudio maybe wheeler and marina a bit but i don't understand how
I agree
Claudio and PAC are made guys I don't think they get dragged down by this, Wheeler Yuta is who he is and I don't think fans will care any more or less about him than they already did. Probably the only person who looks strong with this storyline is Marina Shafir who has a Chyna type aura where she's not afraid to kick the men's and women's asses and she's got a legit MMA background so that also helps.
And you know why Vince put a stranglehold on Moxley in terms of his " ideas "
But Dave, answering those questions takes effort and intelligence on their part.......
Here’s the problem: William Regal left. They cant call themselves the Blackpool Combat Club anymore because it doesnt make sense. Deathriders was a lazy pivot and their direction doesnt make sense
That explanation was lazy 😂😂😂
They don't know!!! There is no reason it's aew the suck they need to go
“Why?” is a great question for a lot going on in AEW… 🤷🏻♂️
Look, you guys don't need to do the stupid faces in the thumbnails anymore, thats been a dead tactic for over a year now, maybe just show your faces and a picture of who you're talking about, you're a professional broadcast by God don't lower yourselves to that level
Mox keeps saying their going to change AEW. How? All they do is attack the same few people and leave. They aren't even doing the one thing they've said they want to do. When Joe was champion, he reinstated the ranking system so people had to work to get a title shot. That was making a change. Mox keeps saying change is coming, but all this cryptic stuff has been going for too long.
They’re already changing AEW though. People are becoming more ruthless. Darby is ruthless and will do anything to win, edge too, he’s not a typical babyface, he’ll do heel things to win. Thats why the death riders want, they want to bring out everyone’s dark side.
There is no why. Moxley is booking it and apparently he thinks the more he talks in circles the more intriguing it gets when in reality everyone has already check out on caring
Mox has already said why he is doing this
I mean they literally have Jake Roberts and Dustin Rhodes under contract and Dean Malenko (they had Arn who would have been another person) the problem is there is too much creative freedom in AEW which in theory sounds great but some people need a machine like WWE or creative writers otherwise you get a story like this death rider story that makes no sense. I mean AEW has been very good to Moxley so it makes no sense why he wants to bring it down. What's the motive? Honestly there isn't one and that's why nobody can get into this story because there's no kind of logical motive why Moxley is doing this or why people decided to join him. It's gotta make sense sometimes
WCW all over again
Second note I think they are trying to prolong this logic so they think we forget that Shane McMahon can possibly be coming to AEW. As the higher power.
I’m enjoying it as it is rn idk if I’d want Shane to turn up.
@4:51 Moxley hates people from Washington 😂
Edge leads an ex-WWE group to rescue AEW from another ex-WWE group that claims to return AEW to its original ways.
All while the actual EVPs were no where to be found after failing to take over AEW earlier this year.
One EVP finally came back, but instead of going against said ex-WWE group who’s trying to take over his company, he goes back to a rivalry 10 years passed expiration date for a belt no one cares but yet they set up 2 months of TV jobbing everyone out just to get here.
Mean while, the black ex-WWE group is the one that all the AEW fans actually wanted to take over the company.
What. The. FFFFFF???? Make it make sense!!!
Mark, who was telling Vince what to do n the WWE? In football, who tells Jerry Jones what to do? NOBODY is telling Tony what to do... Mox having all this creative is Tony's fault!
Tony is not a boss. He's a scared little mark
Now we know why Vince had him pushing a hotdog cart.
Well there are a lot of reasons for that, and the wrong one in my opinion. They do a lot of things that makes them injured being one of them some may say. To paraphrase Kofi Kingston’s words recently: “yeah they get injured, so what!?” What stops them from making good storyline? They’re just not experienced or they’re caught up in their egos and they just do what they want for the traffic, so they believe that one-dimensional story is the equivalent of “traffic farming”. It doesn’t matter what Dave “I keep a poster of Tony Khan all over my house” Meltzer says, they (Tony Khan and every booker under him) really need to get their act together when it comes to storytelling. Don’t just keep overpushing the huge stars, there are a number of young talent with a lot of potential, some of them are literally and figuratively still young, that being Top Flight, Private Party, The Acclaimed, Skye Blue, Julia Hart, Lee Johnson, and Kyle Fletcher, the latter of whom has learned a lot under his compatriot Mark Davis, Will Ospreay, one of the greatest wrestlers of the modern era who I also believe that being in bland storylines kind of killed his aura slightly, and Don Callis, one of the greatest heels in this business, which has benefited him. A lot of guys from Down Under who trained under Robbie Eagles and Madison Eagles have become huge stars in their own right, Fletcher being one of them. Death Riders need a manager so their aura can be more imposing. If Blackpool Combat Club had William Regal, Nigel McGuinness would fit with the Death Riders.
This is loooooonngg overdue they should've explained this months ago it still doesn't make any sense why each of them are part of death riders
WHY? CUZ TONY DOESNT KNOW HOW TO BOOK
"Kevin Smith" was the first name that popped into my head as an example of an actor who writes their own movies, but I'm sure that any actor who DOES write their own movies and dialog will still bounce their ideas off of their peers, friends, or people they trust.
He wrote and co-starred. Silent Bob rarely spoke and was a supporting character in quite a few movies.
Perfect way to end that
Man mark is such a mark 😂😂😂
Then bring Mox on the show and ask him.
Moxleybbad guy persona is soo horribly cringe and overacted. If they gave Jon a chance at booking, don’t ever do it again without a board of other wrestlers approving
How'd I fix the why?
After a few fights with Rated RFTR, I'd have Moxely make the most babyface promo giving the why while many AEW talent stand on the ramp. The promo tells the story of how an out of touch billionaire nearly destroyed pro wrestling. He can go over the embarrassing things done to FTR. Have them nod in agreement. Mox will warn that he sees the same thing happening in the back with a younger billionaire. He implores them to see he's right. They all need to ride or die for Pro wrestling making it sound like AEW and their fans are the last hope. They only way to save AEW is to beat the poison of the wacko millionaire out of them.
Copeland and FTR look at each other and nod before attacking those on the ramp creating a super faction (they have too much talent anyway). For weeks they run roughshod over the whole roster seeing their numbers swell with Mercedes and other ex-WWE talent (ex. Adam Cole) and some young up and comers. (Use Ray Fenix as a punching bag.)
The locker room goes to Omega who is consumed with Okada and can't help. The Young Bucks can start their own faction of loyalist to them (blur the line between face and heel like it was originally and reality too). Have the Bucks cost Omega his match against Okada because he has stayed neutral.
This sparks Omega building a stable of faces for all genders. This can be used to push some talent into the upper card and train younger talent to the next level. They can bring in Darby and a few blue chips to fight both the Death Riders and the Bucks corporate faction. (I'd even bring in the American Dragon as a manager with a few proteges to help fight and eventually go neutral). This is a mix and match of heel and face depending on who fights who and what the fans lean toward that can last a few years where at the end all three faction disappear with new faces and heels to take the spotlight.
It won't happen because at the end of the day TK is the big boss heel that needs to be stopped and may even eventually go face with a much happier fan base. Done right, this could be a captivating and great story.
Respectfully Bully, I think they've already missed a golden opportunity with Kyle Fletcher not winning the Continental Classic tournament. If though I think the tournament is flawed in principle. Tony Khan is so infatuated with New Japan and the G-1 Climax he created his own America version. The problem with the CC tournament is why would the current Continental Champion be put at a disadvantage where the winner of the tournament is crowned new champion and you can have a new champion every year based off who's hot. The current champion should get an automatic bye to the finals and face the winner of the Gold league or Blue league. Anyway back to Kyle Fletcher he should've won and kept being elevated like his stablemate Takeshita. As a reminder, Kyle Fletcher has already wrestled Okada in the Continental Classic giving him his second loss in AEW ever. I'm not interested in seeing Fletcher wrestle Okada anytime soon or wrestle Kenny Omega regardless who wins at All In Texas. Thank you as always for your great wrestling knowledge and acumen.
I can name 2 actors that have written for themselves.
Sly Stallon and Ben Affleck.
It's super rare when it works so it's not something everybody should do.
AEW is running into that issue.
Tony has allowed the talent to write their stories.
Tony has only made matches with his wrestling fan fantasies.
What I mean by that is...
Tony says this is the match he wants and the talent plans out what they want to do in the build up to that match.
The only two guys in AEW that should have booked their own stories was Sting and CM Punk.
Sting has earned the right to do that due to his longevity in the business.
CM Punk was their biggest draw and anything he did had the potential of becoming gold.
Bruce Lee did people forget he wrote the way of the dragon/return of the dragon. The famous fight scene with him and chuck norris. He still holds up to this day not only he wrote that movie he directed it, produced it, star in it, choeograph it and the cinematography. He wore all the hats on that film
You guys keep bringing this back to stuff you did in another company. If you wanna really help them, provide feedback in the the way AEW operates. You're not gonna change their processes to the WWE way. So get more creative with your critiques. It's like a rockstar telling a rapstar how to perform. Different style and audiences.
No, AEW needs to operate the way any successful promotion would operate. AEW is trying to re-invent the wheel, and it's not working. The business shouldn't have to cater to way AEW wants to do things. AEW just needs to stop getting in its own in thinking that they're doing something revolutionary by drifting away from a formula that has been proven to work for decades.
@decepticonxhunter4850 that's bull crap. If all companies operated the same, then there would be no reason to watch any of them. Differences is what makes the world interesting.
Funny thing. How Dudley describes a match is similar to a musician writing a song. Not much difference in the story aspect.
I wish Bully Ray was AEW Booker.
Moxley is the modern day Ultimate Warrior. Only without the physique.
@@brandonmueller7040 Warrior didn't need help from anybody! Especially HO-KOGAN!
I don't think that moxley didn't spoke to anyone
Ricochet = Modernized Tully Blanchard, if they work it right.