I personally fought in 2 Para on the Falklands. I lost friends and colleagues there. I don't care if the islands become part of Argentina, "IF" It is what the islanders someday want. I didn't fight to retain territory for britain. I fought to regain the freedom of an invaded population !!!!
@GreenSaxon I would obviously have obeyed orders that was my job. But I rationalised my actions in my conscience by telling myself that (I) was there to free a captured community held captive against their will, and not for the jingoistic political aims of a politician. Also as any soldier would have told you I was there to support and fight alongside "my mates".
It was the Tories that negotiated the deal; why are the right getting their knickers in a twist?! Before this was announced they wouldn’t have even known where Chagos is on a map.
so Labour negotiated this in 3 months, and everyone said they would never get anything done, oh wait, Cleverly started the process and then has the audacity to blamed someone else
Will it effect any person in the UK ,no it won't, Just the right wing press using it as a stick to try and hit labour with .The tories started the negotiations to give it back .Nothing would have been said
@@michaelathanasiou2030 Reality too boring? Too many stresses and issues you've no control over? Try reality fan fiction, don't let the truth affect your opinion ever again 👍
It’s not a question if we care about overseas territories, we should care if the locals of said overseas territories want to remain under British control
So GB govt proudly stand firm that swathes of Europeans ,American & Australian & GB Jews have the "right to return"to Israel after generations & centuries yet the said UK govts (both lab & cons) have denied the indigenous folk of chagos island the same right to return to their homes since they were removed by GB govt in early 1970s The Gb govt also claim they acted on with wishes of Falkland islanders to keep the island British owned but for some pretty obvious reason they never afford the same respect to the chagos islander The late John pilger for decades talk about this injustice that GB govt happily meted out on these islanders to this current day .
The locals were evicted and the military took over, even tho the icj has said it should be returned.except you are still in favour of colonialism and to a larger extent either slavery or eviction of coloured people from their homes by force.
@@Aan_allein There really is. No populations were displaced from the Falklands and in an independent referendum they decided they wished to stay in the UK. Poor Chagossians were kicked off the islands they'd called home for generations and had no say in their own future - even in this latest decision. They're also banned from the largest landmass in the island system because we've leased it to the US for military purposes. Saying it's the same is nonsensical.
@@shanewilson2484they were thrown out now they can go back home, google on Labour Party, the tories have been negotiating they had 11 meetings Labour just finished off ,well done. They still have airbase there for 99 years .the difference between cagos and falklands they wanted it back ,Falkland want to stay with uk,
Seychelles has hundreds of displaced Diego Garcia residents who can not go back. Since independence from Great Britain, Seychelles is the safest country in Africa. We also have the most moral army in the world. Never shot anyone waving a white flag. Never sexually abused prisoners and never occupied anyone.
@alzo1sgood Thr Daily Mail is the 'tut tut,isn't it terrible' rag. Its editorial likes to create outrage, with its underlying implication that things were better in some mythical 'golden age' .......sometime in the fifties I guess .
Yes I agree I get the mirror and guardian . They are really great . Very absorbent … and if you cut the sheets correctly get a weeks worth of sittings out of them
Just like the Falklands before, how many Brits had even heard of the Chagos Islands? We didn't go to war over the Falklands for any other reason than to save Thatcher from electoral defeat.
No! we save the Falklands because of the British citizens, you know, the ones living there and who wanted to remain British?! Is it that difficult to fathom?
@Kaycee907 if Thatcher hadn't had rock bottom polling figures the War definitely wouldn't have happened. £200,000,000 in 1982 for a handful of sheep farms. This is more legacy of Empire causing friction to this day.
@@joseskoks They are over two thousand kilometres away from Mauritius. They have been British since the Treaty of Paris in 1814. They are considerably closer to the Maldives and India than Mauritius. Their only connection with Mauritius is that the French treated them as a single administrative entity, that ceased in 1810.
The Chagos islands were a dependency of the French administration in Mauritius, France ceded Mauritius and its dependencies to the United Kingdom. When the UK handed Mauritius independence in 1965, the Chagos islands dependency was retained by the UK to lease to the Americans. Internationally the Mauritian claim of sovereignty over the Chagos islands is recognised by the UN, except for the USA and UK (until now). International Court of Justice ruling in 2019 stated that the UK "has an obligation to bring to an end its administration of the Chagos Archipelago as rapidly as possible, and that all Member States must co-operate with the United Nations to complete the decolonization of Mauritius". Therefore as a matter of International Law, the Chagos islands are Mauritian, which the Labour government are complying with (with the support of the US) and the US will now lease the Base from Mauritius. How or whom would qualify to vote in a referendum of Chagos islanders and where would it be held? It just seem like a sensible of practical proposition.
@@seagull8415 your comment is somewhat funny. “Find me a single Brexiteer…” find me someone of this young generation that could find anything on a map. Not sure what Brexit has got to do with what Labour has done
@@neonwired4978Yes, they did. You should inform and educate yourself better because you don't have the slightest idea of how the events occurred. Are you going to talk to me about the abandonment and disappearance of the United Kingdom for 55 years, from 1774 to 1829? Are you going to talk to me about the continued and unchallenged Spanish sovereignty?
@@MyName-cw4yr Why don't you just admit that you aren‘t interested in historical and legal arguments, but simply in maintaining the colonial system that your country currently has in 10 of the 17 colonies in the world? Don't beat around the bush or try to make up things.
As the left has no understanding of anything. Firstly the Chagos islands were never owned by Mauritius and they are 1000 miles away. It was ceded from the French in 1814 and we freed the slaves on those islands. During the height of the Cold War the US asked we lease the islands to them, which we did and sadly kicked the islanders off and sent to Mauritius. They were being badly treated in Mauritius and the islanders moved to the UK, specifically my home town. My wife was among the people that moved here. They didn’t want Mauritius to control those islands. Plus it’s strategically important in case of war with China. China has close ties to Mauritius through financial ties. China will obviously use leverage to place radar station there to spy on the base causing the base to be ineffective and thus we give territory to China who are effectively colonising Africa and Asia trapping them with financial agreements that they can’t pay back. All you people on the left are concerned is virtual signalling, identity politics whilst countries that hate us are slowly taking. Bravo. Try virtual signalling in China, you won’t live long.
@@markbutterfield5093 y'know I didn't even know why this was controversial, until your comment. Thanks for providing some balance to this conversation.
The Chagos Islands were sneakily depopulated in the 1960s and 1970s and the UK got credit towards our nuclear programme from the USA. This should have happened years ago. The USA base is still going to stay there until 2122 with the treaty.
@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 The Chagos are not the Falklands. The Falklands had a population that wanted and want to remain apart of Britian. Not the case for the Chagos. Happy to help.
@@judyparsons1333We are in the 21st century and the existence of colonialism is contrary to international law. The United Kingdom has 10 of the 17 colonies in the world. It is a disgrace.
The UN International court told us in 2019 our 'possesion'was illegal so in 2022 the tories started the process. The deal was negotiated by Cleverly/Cameron and the tories are losing their minds because Lab signed it off exactly as they were going to with the exact deal? Hilarious!
It’s a much wider concern than was it the right decision - why did Labour never mention something as major as giving up territory in its manifesto, and do something that major within 3 months, without consulting parliament, and while parliament wasn’t sitting? It’s authoritarian, and tyrannical.
I get what you’re saying but when pressed Starmer defend it by saying that it guarantees the ongoing existence of the joint U.K.-US military base of Diego Garcia. I can’t see the logic; surely there can be no better guarantee than leaving the islands under British ownership? In what sense can handing over the islands with a clause that allows us to keep the base there, better than that?
The people who live in these territories certainly care Matthew? Which is why every British Overseas Territory should simply be put to the citizens of that territory. In the case of chagos it seems reasonable for the Givernment to hand it back to the Islanders. Although I'm unsure quite what Mauritius has to do with it. The Islands are 500km away. They're closer to Sri Lanka than Mauritus.
Just for clarification for those who clearly don’t understand.. the conservatives entering negotiations (which your pretty much forced to do due the UN putting their 2 pence in) is not the same as labour freely handing them over.
@@pancakingon The EU is not a defence pact. Although it's hard to keep up with you lot. On the one hand, you argue the EU does so little that it's barely an inconvenience to bother with, on the other you claim it does so much that it's madness to leave. You really should get together and get the story straight.
@@phillycheesetake That is so rich. Out of all the people that voted Brexit, what percentage of them wanted a Norway style? What percentage of them wanted a Canada style? What percentage of them wanted to retain freedom of movement? I could go on It is your lot that are fragmented, not ours And of course, there is popular support to Rejoin now, so the two main parties are ignoring the will of the people
This Island was taken and I am Glad it’s back in Mauritian hands My husband was at college in the 60s when they took this island and they Dropped people in Mauritius with nowhere to stay they where living in parks with nothing..they never gave them money for houses or anything I was in Mauritius this summer and people do want it back England bshould never have taken it in the first place
Why are you asking Mauritians for their opinion? You could've asked the native Chagossians who live in England. Which activists have opposed as this ruined all the optimistic potential of Chagossian self determination
The irony is; we've given up all the "illegal" implications to ownership of the islands, we've given up being responsible for the inhabitants of the islands, but we've extended our lease on the military base by 99 years. Can someone please explain to me what the problem is? Sounds like a fantastic deal for the UK?
It is a great deal, not just for UK but also Mauritius, India and the USA. The [problem is the British press, especially the Mail ("Hurrah for the Blackshirts")-they automatically hate anything the Labour Party does, and have this curious illusion that the Empire still exists
You may hate yourself being British and all it has achieved, but don’t try the guilt trip the majority of the British people into self hatred. Your patronising sneering rant shows your ignorance and institutional bias.
He brings shame upon his own forefathers who fought for the freedoms he enjoys today. But it's all vanity dear, he just wants to appear virtuous to the leftie crowd.
Why not give the unfairly exiled indigenous islanders a referendum? They can decide which country they’d like the islands to be under. You can have a fair campaigning period where both sides can make their cases to the islanders. Oh and let the islanders back to at least some of the islands. Expand some of the islands if necessary use Land reclamation or create additional artificial islands like the Chinese did in the South China Sea
The key is the word indigenous, How many people who live on the Falklands are people with a heritage there. Being born in Birmingham does not give you a birth rite.
It's still a protected nature reserve-any changes in that status will be made by the Mauritian government. There are US and British force on Diego Garcia for the next 99 years, which will make the Chinese pause. Also India (well known China haters) back the deal and are the major ally of Mauritius. If Starmer is mad, you should be in a locked ward.
Wouldn’t surprise me if he gave Falklands back just to defy magret thatcher I still feel sorry for the men that died n got severely injured during that war
I fought in 2 para on the Falklands. I lost friends but I don't care if they become part of Argentina "IF" The islanders wanted it to happen. We didn't fight to keep territory!!!!! We fought to free an invaded population.
It was "owned" by Britain for the convenience of our glorious Imperial Masters in Washington. I'm actually quite surprised a UK government acted with anything approaching a form of independent foreign policy.
We were held to account years ago about this given we ethically cleansed the Islands for the American airbase. Sadly, the people of the Chagos islands won't be able to go back to Diego Garcia.
1. The local population were not consulted. Where did the principle of self determination come from? 2. Mauritius never owned the Chagos islands. They were ceded to Britain along with Mauritius by the French. Note along with, not as part of. 3. To give away territory, and commit the UK taxpayer to paying for it with no Parliamentary scrutiny and vote?
Why should the islanders decide, its not their property?where has he got this idea that living there means ownership? Living in britain doesnt mean ownership so why there? He said "indigenous, well as close as we can get" they are not indigenous full stop n it sounds like he would give it away to anyone he could, imo.
Yes, people of Gibraltar do care if they are British. If you have visited, you would see they care about that quite a bit. I didn't realise we qualified British people on whether they have a British last name or not?
@@Sam88-l4k interesting how ironic that statement actually is. You could be on the right saying the left gave them sovereignty but don't want UK to have it. Or the left laughing at people demanding sovereignty of UK but unwilling to grant it to those of C. Interesting veiw from this fence.....
With all due respect to the British people, you're making a serious mistake by invoking a false self-determination of the islanders with respect to sovereignty. According to the United Nations General Assembly, the competent body for the decolonization of territories, the method of decolonization, the conflict over sovereignty must be resolved through dialogue and negotiations between the Argentine Republic and the United Kingdom. The islanders do not have the right to determine the sovereignty of the territory. First, because the conflict over sovereignty precedes them, that is, the first settlers arrived in Stanley in 1843 when the territory was already disputed between Argentina and the United Kingdom. Both the first settlers and their descendants arrived in a territory that was already disputed, which would be unfair for them to unilaterally decide the sovereignty of the territory over a conflict in which they are not a party. That is why the General Assembly calls on Argentina and the United Kingdom to dialogue and resolve the controversy between them taking into account INTERESTS (way of life, local development of the community), not WISHES. There was a referendum carried out unilaterally without the organization or supervision of the United Nations, the result of which had no value because the method of decolonization is determined by the General Assembly, not by the occupying power or the local colonial government of the islands, and that method is dialogue and negotiations for the sovereignty of the islands between Argentina and the United Kingdom, not setting up unilateral referendums without any legal value.
O dear do you think one day just one day !! This useless article might just do something right ?? Where ever he goes he stirs up hornets nests just lock him up it would be safer 🤬🤬🤬
Matthew Wright is like O'Brien. They are both so out of touch with reality, until it affects them. They will defend anything, a Labour government inflicts upon the citizens.
@@Cyber_Crows No, I'm not clinging to the past. I despise the Tories and Labour, equally. Sorry, I didn't know the Tories had negotiated this. It's only just come on my radar.
We are not giving it away we are giving it back which we should, Starmer as given it back with a deal that we can keep and use the military base on there for 99 years.
We colonised it like the French did before us, and we shouldn't have it. It was wrong to go around colonising other countries, and we should give back anywhere that we still coloninise it's as simple as that! It was what our ancestors did, and it was barbaric! Are you saying we should not have given India, Hong Kong, or any of the other parts of the world we colonised back?
@@TammyOldham if the indians wanted to stay with the uk which they didn't then yes give it back , as said mauritius never had them , the chagos people want to stay in the uk , so no its actually wrong giving them to mauritus
I personally fought in 2 Para on the Falklands. I lost friends and colleagues there. I don't care if the islands become part of Argentina, "IF" It is what the islanders someday want. I didn't fight to retain territory for britain. I fought to regain the freedom of an invaded population !!!!
Well put.
You have a greater right to express an opinion than most.
Respect
thank you for your service, deep respect!
Surely you'd have fought whatever the reason?
@GreenSaxon
I would obviously have obeyed orders that was my job. But I rationalised my actions in my conscience by telling myself that (I) was there to free a captured community held captive against their will, and not for the jingoistic political aims of a politician.
Also as any soldier would have told you I was there to support and fight alongside "my mates".
@@brianferguson7840the sad that ng is people will go at you for the decisions made by politicians. I thank you for your service
Let’s not forget how the people of HongKong were treated by China when we handed it back.
China and Mauritius are two different countries
@@pancakingon Great response… now go educate yourself on whose pocket they’re in.
@@adamcoope8726 Who, China or Mauritius?
@@pancakingon Sure like Mauritius could pull China’s strings.
@@adamcoope8726 You underestimate their power
It was the Tories that negotiated the deal; why are the right getting their knickers in a twist?! Before this was announced they wouldn’t have even known where Chagos is on a map.
Because right wing media feed their viewers utter tripe and have no shame whatsoever about the truth.
But they do know what a woman is
Grow up, sweetie.
The Tory’s are pretty left wing? Traditionally the Tory’s are centre right. Now days these Tory’s are nothing but a load of far left nut cases.
@@j7ech402 wow did you use all of your two brain cells to come up with that 😂
Just as in America, anger and hate are the new favourite passtimes.
The UK and US truly are the brother of arms.
Rigrh wingers feed off it then cry when we call them right wingers. Absolute snowflakes.
But you have the right to " bear arms". Brits have no such right, yet our police swagger around with automatic weapons at a carnival.
@shaunsocha421 right wing? Literally, obviously.
so Labour negotiated this in 3 months, and everyone said they would never get anything done, oh wait, Cleverly started the process and then has the audacity to blamed someone else
Tories wouldn't have given the Islands away without a debate in parliament, Starmer avoided this because he knows Labour supporters are THICK---LOL
@@michaelathanasiou2030
Are you Balliol or Trinity, poppet?
Will it effect any person in the UK ,no it won't, Just the right wing press using it as a stick to try and hit labour with .The tories started the negotiations to give it back .Nothing would have been said
@@michaelathanasiou2030except they already arranged all the deals and have been since 2022. You can't even Google something to find out if it's true.
@@michaelathanasiou2030 Reality too boring? Too many stresses and issues you've no control over? Try reality fan fiction, don't let the truth affect your opinion ever again 👍
It’s not a question if we care about overseas territories, we should care if the locals of said overseas territories want to remain under British control
So GB govt proudly stand firm that swathes of Europeans ,American & Australian & GB Jews have the "right to return"to Israel after generations & centuries yet the said UK govts (both lab & cons) have denied the indigenous folk of chagos island the same right to return to their homes since they were removed by GB govt in early 1970s The Gb govt also claim they acted on with wishes of Falkland islanders to keep the island British owned but for some pretty obvious reason they never afford the same respect to the chagos islander The late John pilger for decades talk about this injustice that GB govt happily meted out on these islanders to this current day .
if thats the case, then I should have the right to decalre my property a separate entity to britian. I'd love to
The locals were evicted and the military took over, even tho the icj has said it should be returned.except you are still in favour of colonialism and to a larger extent either slavery or eviction of coloured people from their homes by force.
Watching from Mauritius
The Falkland islanders voted overwhelmingly to stay British. The Chagos isles are completely different.
No difference
Yeah Chagosians did not vote for this foreign takeover by Mauritius.
@@Aan_allein There really is. No populations were displaced from the Falklands and in an independent referendum they decided they wished to stay in the UK. Poor Chagossians were kicked off the islands they'd called home for generations and had no say in their own future - even in this latest decision. They're also banned from the largest landmass in the island system because we've leased it to the US for military purposes. Saying it's the same is nonsensical.
@@shanewilson2484they were thrown out now they can go back home, google on Labour Party, the tories have been negotiating they had 11 meetings Labour just finished off ,well done. They still have airbase there for 99 years .the difference between cagos and falklands they wanted it back ,Falkland want to stay with uk,
@@Aan_allein yes Tory
When will the 6 counties of 9 county Ulster be ceded and Scotland freed and if the Welsh had any sense.That is the question.
Scotland had a vote, they voted to remain part of the union, did you sleep through that?
Why not, hes giving the uk away. Whats a small island.
Seychelles has hundreds of displaced Diego Garcia residents who can not go back.
Since independence from Great Britain, Seychelles is the safest country in Africa.
We also have the most moral army in the world. Never shot anyone waving a white flag. Never sexually abused prisoners and never occupied anyone.
I don't think any army is perfect, but I do love the Seychelles flag!
Daily mail is the daily mail. The best thing to do is ignore them.
I buy it some Saturdays. Simply for the puzzles. Lol
@alzo1sgood Thr Daily Mail is the 'tut tut,isn't it terrible' rag. Its editorial likes to create outrage, with its underlying implication that things were better in some mythical 'golden age' .......sometime in the fifties I guess .
Yes I agree I get the mirror and guardian . They are really great . Very absorbent … and if you cut the sheets correctly get a weeks worth of sittings out of them
What?...and end up as bitter as Wright and his co hosts O'Brien etc
No thanks! lol.
Just like the Falklands before, how many Brits had even heard of the Chagos Islands? We didn't go to war over the Falklands for any other reason than to save Thatcher from electoral defeat.
No! we save the Falklands because of the British citizens, you know, the ones living there and who wanted to remain British?! Is it that difficult to fathom?
@Kaycee907 if Thatcher hadn't had rock bottom polling figures the War definitely wouldn't have happened. £200,000,000 in 1982 for a handful of sheep farms. This is more legacy of Empire causing friction to this day.
Mauritius just got some of their country back! Brexiteers and the Tories should be delighted for them
All that's left to do now is, the same for Britain.
The Chagos Islands are not and have never been part of Mauritius.
@@Brockite they are and they had been.
@@joseskoks They are over two thousand kilometres away from Mauritius. They have been British since the Treaty of Paris in 1814. They are considerably closer to the Maldives and India than Mauritius. Their only connection with Mauritius is that the French treated them as a single administrative entity, that ceased in 1810.
It never belonged to them 😂
The Chagos islands were a dependency of the French administration in Mauritius, France ceded Mauritius and its dependencies to the United Kingdom. When the UK handed Mauritius independence in 1965, the Chagos islands dependency was retained by the UK to lease to the Americans.
Internationally the Mauritian claim of sovereignty over the Chagos islands is recognised by the UN, except for the USA and UK (until now).
International Court of Justice ruling in 2019 stated that the UK "has an obligation to bring to an end its administration of the Chagos Archipelago as rapidly as possible, and that all Member States must co-operate with the United Nations to complete the decolonization of Mauritius".
Therefore as a matter of International Law, the Chagos islands are Mauritian, which the Labour government are complying with (with the support of the US) and the US will now lease the Base from Mauritius. How or whom would qualify to vote in a referendum of Chagos islanders and where would it be held? It just seem like a sensible of practical proposition.
Why couldn't Chagossians be part of this discussion? If this really was about making amends, why didn't Steamer give them any voice?
Find me a single Brexiteer who had even heard of the Chagos islands until this week….. i’ll wait
Me. I love the British Empire and can easily name all British Overseas Territories.
@@Overwatch17
Well done. Have a biscuit.
@@Overwatch17 You love subjugating people do you?
You for real
@@seagull8415 your comment is somewhat funny. “Find me a single Brexiteer…” find me someone of this young generation that could find anything on a map. Not sure what Brexit has got to do with what Labour has done
Focus on your problems in your own country not stealing other people’s land and exploiting it
Argentina never owned the Falklands. They only briefly occupied it during the Falkland war
Yes, the owned them from 1820 to 1833.
@@enzomancini9291 no they didn't, the only claim at that point was british
@@neonwired4978Yes, they did.
You should inform and educate yourself better because you don't have the slightest idea of how the events occurred.
Are you going to talk to me about the abandonment and disappearance of the United Kingdom for 55 years, from 1774 to 1829? Are you going to talk to me about the continued and unchallenged Spanish sovereignty?
@@enzomancini9291sorry, but there is absolutely nothing to support your highly dubious claims....
@@MyName-cw4yr Why don't you just admit that you aren‘t interested in historical and legal arguments, but simply in maintaining the colonial system that your country currently has in 10 of the 17 colonies in the world? Don't beat around the bush or try to make up things.
You can take the empires colonies away from the english, but you can't take colonialism out of the English.
Sad but true
Absolutely correct
As the left has no understanding of anything. Firstly the Chagos islands were never owned by Mauritius and they are 1000 miles away. It was ceded from the French in 1814 and we freed the slaves on those islands. During the height of the Cold War the US asked we lease the islands to them, which we did and sadly kicked the islanders off and sent to Mauritius. They were being badly treated in Mauritius and the islanders moved to the UK, specifically my home town. My wife was among the people that moved here. They didn’t want Mauritius to control those islands. Plus it’s strategically important in case of war with China. China has close ties to Mauritius through financial ties. China will obviously use leverage to place radar station there to spy on the base causing the base to be ineffective and thus we give territory to China who are effectively colonising Africa and Asia trapping them with financial agreements that they can’t pay back. All you people on the left are concerned is virtual signalling, identity politics whilst countries that hate us are slowly taking. Bravo. Try virtual signalling in China, you won’t live long.
@@markbutterfield5093 y'know I didn't even know why this was controversial, until your comment. Thanks for providing some balance to this conversation.
@@markbutterfield5093 - The Prophet speaks.
Mr Starmer did the right thing, following the ruling of the international courts & UN vote.
He'll be giving back Benidorm if we're not careful! Surely this is a decision of the Crown and not comrade Starmer?
No it’s a decision of the uk government. Recently led by starmer.
It was a decision made by the previous Tory government.
Can't give back something we don't have. and the Tories began this deal NOT labour.
@@DrStrangelove-w9w still not Starmer's decision to make.
@@JQ-999 Labour are in power it is their decision to make, if you don't like democracy go elsewhere.
Why is LBC such a leftie joke ?
Same reason as the BBC they employ from open university
James cleverly wanted the deal done 2 years ago’ it’s just hypocrisy 🤔
The Chagos Islands were sneakily depopulated in the 1960s and 1970s and the UK got credit towards our nuclear programme from the USA. This should have happened years ago. The USA base is still going to stay there until 2122 with the treaty.
It's a 99 year deal, so wouldn't it be until 2123?
@@pancakingon apologies missed a year. Thanks for calling me out on it.
Delighted the leftovers of the British empire are being given back. I’d rather the military base there was removed as well.
And the protected nature reserve around the island? Wave it goodbye as it gets trawled by the Chinese.
Matthew Massive Mistake By Starmer.😡 UK🇬🇧 need's control of Chagos Islands for UK security…Should have been voted on.....
Poppet, you hadn't heard of Diego Garcia until you read yesterday's Daily Mail.
Toot toot.
@@robertcottam8824 just because you dont know geography doesnt mean others don't
@@Purwapada
Your choice of phrase, "You don't know geography," rather suggests that you don't know very much at all, sweetie.
@@robertcottam8824just like you never heard the word " Palestine " pop out of anyone's trap, poppet. But then all of a sudden.....
@@robertcottam8824 that's such a bizarre and weak argument I laughed when I read it
So that explains why he removed Thatcher's portrait
How?
@@nicks4934
The Falklands.
@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 The Chagos are not the Falklands. The Falklands had a population that wanted and want to remain apart of Britian. Not the case for the Chagos. Happy to help.
Chagossians sound to want to stay British-are you happy with that, Mr Wright?
The UK should let ALL overseas territories go. this country cannot even afford provide access to medication, let alone its old imperial dreams.
You are not a brit
@@judyparsons1333We are in the 21st century and the existence of colonialism is contrary to international law. The United Kingdom has 10 of the 17 colonies in the world. It is a disgrace.
@@judyparsons1333 very few in the LBC comments pages are. Mostly Putin puppets
Letting them go, does not mean that the financial obligations go away...
Insane thing to say. You just want Britain diminished and humiliated. Jog on
The UN International court told us in 2019 our 'possesion'was illegal so in 2022 the tories started the process. The deal was negotiated by Cleverly/Cameron and the tories are losing their minds because Lab signed it off exactly as they were going to with the exact deal? Hilarious!
The Tories are like Trump supporters, blind to any truth or facts.
I'm afraid you're incorrect, Cleverly did but Cameron did not negotiate the deal; he vetoed it when he came in, because he thought it was a bad idea
And there advice was not binding so !!
The WHO told us all to lock down and get vaccinated at look how well that turned out!
If anyone had a right it would be spain. Argentina wasnt even a country when Britain founded the Falklands.
It was a country for the indigenous people that lived there before Spain "discovered" it. Just like your ancestors were in the island before flag
@@GirmaKassa-ip7ht The Falkland's were uninhabited before colonization. The only indigenous Falklanders are penguins.
“Founded”😂😂😂
@@edmann1820 I bet there are areas uninhabited areas in the UK right now. I wonder if China "discovers" them soon 😋
@@GirmaKassa-ip7ht So you concede that Patagonian indigenous people do not have a claim to the Falklands?
Most Americans can't find england on a map, doesn't mean it's not fairly important
Terrible Labour Party. Get them OUT
Can't believe Starmer did this. What an idiot!
Perhaps you should ask the people who defend us Matthew?
Thank heavens social media didn’t exist when Australia, New Zealand and India were released from EMPIRE! FFS tis is a storm in a small teacup!
It’s a much wider concern than was it the right decision - why did Labour never mention something as major as giving up territory in its manifesto, and do something that major within 3 months, without consulting parliament, and while parliament wasn’t sitting? It’s authoritarian, and tyrannical.
Im really furious about this island i didnt know about until a few days ago
I get what you’re saying but when pressed Starmer defend it by saying that it guarantees the ongoing existence of the joint U.K.-US military base of Diego Garcia. I can’t see the logic; surely there can be no better guarantee than leaving the islands under British ownership? In what sense can handing over the islands with a clause that allows us to keep the base there, better than that?
Did anyone ask the people of Chagos what they wanted?
There are no people of chagos,they are Mozambiquean.
Chagos does not have any indigenous people or language there .
Empty spot on the ocean .
The people of chagos have fought for its return in the courts, we have only delayed handing it back while keeping a bit of it
You're sadly relinquishing your own homeland so why not?
Who is relinquishing their homeland to whom, poppet?
Best wishes
Guest says he wants to remain under British protection, well done Starmer .
Kalergi Plan, I don't even recognise my own town anymore it's disgusting!
Have you tried getting your eyes tested?
The people who live in these territories certainly care Matthew?
Which is why every British Overseas Territory should simply be put to the citizens of that territory.
In the case of chagos it seems reasonable for the Givernment to hand it back to the Islanders.
Although I'm unsure quite what Mauritius has to do with it. The Islands are 500km away. They're closer to Sri Lanka than Mauritus.
Mauritius is 500 km away..& almost 10,000 km from the UK...London is 600 km from Glasgow.
@@zivkovicable yes I agree
Just for clarification for those who clearly don’t understand.. the conservatives entering negotiations (which your pretty much forced to do due the UN putting their 2 pence in) is not the same as labour freely handing them over.
This has a massive security threat to us . I'm livid . Daily mail has covered this
Calm down, dear. Our allies, the US will still have a base there for 99 years
@@pancakingonSure, if you trust the US blindly to take care of your security interests
@@Cta2006 That's what we did when we Brexited
@@pancakingon The EU is not a defence pact. Although it's hard to keep up with you lot. On the one hand, you argue the EU does so little that it's barely an inconvenience to bother with, on the other you claim it does so much that it's madness to leave.
You really should get together and get the story straight.
@@phillycheesetake That is so rich. Out of all the people that voted Brexit, what percentage of them wanted a Norway style? What percentage of them wanted a Canada style? What percentage of them wanted to retain freedom of movement? I could go on
It is your lot that are fragmented, not ours
And of course, there is popular support to Rejoin now, so the two main parties are ignoring the will of the people
This Island was taken and I am
Glad it’s back in Mauritian hands My husband was at college in the 60s when they took this island and they Dropped people in Mauritius with nowhere to stay they where living in parks with nothing..they never gave them money for houses or anything I was in Mauritius this summer and people do want it back England bshould never have taken it in the first place
it never belonged to them
Why are you asking Mauritians for their opinion? You could've asked the native Chagossians who live in England. Which activists have opposed as this ruined all the optimistic potential of Chagossian self determination
The irony is; we've given up all the "illegal" implications to ownership of the islands, we've given up being responsible for the inhabitants of the islands, but we've extended our lease on the military base by 99 years. Can someone please explain to me what the problem is? Sounds like a fantastic deal for the UK?
It is a great deal, not just for UK but also Mauritius, India and the USA.
The [problem is the British press, especially the Mail ("Hurrah for the Blackshirts")-they automatically hate anything the Labour Party does, and have this curious illusion that the Empire still exists
You may hate yourself being British and all it has achieved, but don’t try the guilt trip the majority of the British people into self hatred. Your patronising sneering rant shows your ignorance and institutional bias.
He brings shame upon his own forefathers who fought for the freedoms he enjoys today. But it's all vanity dear, he just wants to appear virtuous to the leftie crowd.
Ironically since Brexit billy no mates Britain has lost the support of the EU. The uk is weak
Chagossians ARE Mauritians stop treating them as if they were not
Why not give the unfairly exiled indigenous islanders a referendum? They can decide which country they’d like the islands to be under. You can have a fair campaigning period where both sides can make their cases to the islanders. Oh and let the islanders back to at least some of the islands. Expand some of the islands if necessary use Land reclamation or create additional artificial islands like the Chinese did in the South China Sea
The key is the word indigenous, How many people who live on the Falklands are people with a heritage there. Being born in Birmingham does not give you a birth rite.
Starmer is a mad man. All the sea around the island is a protected nature reserve currently. The Chinese will be trawling it in a week. 👍
It's still a protected nature reserve-any changes in that status will be made by the Mauritian government.
There are US and British force on Diego Garcia for the next 99 years, which will make the Chinese pause.
Also India (well known China haters) back the deal and are the major ally of Mauritius.
If Starmer is mad, you should be in a locked ward.
Lol at the British pretending to care about the environment
Wouldn’t surprise me if he gave Falklands back just to defy magret thatcher I still feel sorry for the men that died n got severely injured during that war
If the uk wants sovereignty, why should we deny another countries
The Falklands will return to Argentina if thats what the Falkland Islanders vote for...& thats not happening any time soon.
I fought in 2 para on the Falklands. I lost friends but I don't care if they become part of Argentina "IF" The islanders wanted it to happen. We didn't fight to keep territory!!!!! We fought to free an invaded population.
Simon Weston
The worst Prime Sinister ever in human history. THIS CANNOT CONTINUE.
It was "owned" by Britain for the convenience of our glorious Imperial Masters in Washington. I'm actually quite surprised a UK government acted with anything approaching a form of independent foreign policy.
Correct. Except that the UK would not have acted as such without permission from The Pentagon.
Best wishes.
It was not owned it was taken away the people can now go home well done Labour we still have an airbase there for 99 years.
This is what people like the ones complaining don't understand. The UK is America's b-word. Has been for a while now
@@robertcottam8824 Except the Pentagon was reportedly opposed to the deal (behind closed doors)
@@PJH13
Your source being...?
Yes this wont be all of other overseas territories he will give away you need to grow up
Calm down dear
Since when have we started listening to the UN? Is this a new thing?
We were held to account years ago about this given we ethically cleansed the Islands for the American airbase. Sadly, the people of the Chagos islands won't be able to go back to Diego Garcia.
Ask the people of Chagos Islands would they wish to be under British or Mauritian ?
I think I know the answer !!
Er who?
@@nicks4934Mauritan obviously.
India wants to build a base there, too. Mauritius is heavily in debt with India.
1. The local population were not consulted. Where did the principle of self determination come from?
2. Mauritius never owned the Chagos islands. They were ceded to Britain along with Mauritius by the French. Note along with, not as part of.
3. To give away territory, and commit the UK taxpayer to paying for it with no Parliamentary scrutiny and vote?
It's just two tier free gear negotiating a lifetime of free holidays in Mauritius for himself and his pals. Nothing to concern the rest of us
I don't think the Chagossians think it is a distraction. Maybe we should ask them - unlike when we decided the fate of their homeland.
Why should the islanders decide, its not their property?where has he got this idea that living there means ownership? Living in britain doesnt mean ownership so why there? He said "indigenous, well as close as we can get" they are not indigenous full stop n it sounds like he would give it away to anyone he could, imo.
Yes, people of Gibraltar do care if they are British.
If you have visited, you would see they care about that quite a bit.
I didn't realise we qualified British people on whether they have a British last name or not?
If sea levels rise as predicted then these islands won't exist in a few years time.
Stop saying things about my friend Keir 😢 😭 - Matthew Wright
No Chagossians took part in any of the discussions - will they move back - I doubt they will be allowed to.
This is psyops, not politics.
Virtue signalling...but at a higher level
@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 it's much more than that.
Weak…Matthew very weak!
Wake up please !!!!!!!!
Anyone care to look up the lease agreement between Chagos and the UK?
Get The Sausage out of office!
Then I want back in the EU if that's how you want it to work
@@Sam88-l4kF. The eu
Cyprus given back with a fight yet still have an airbase used as a staging post for lsrael
Waiting for the gammons to come and cry in the comments section
It's hilarious. They go on about sovereignty yet are against it 😂😂
@@Sam88-l4k They only want it for themselves...Scream for sovereignty then cry about waiting in the longer passport queue.
@@Sam88-l4k interesting how ironic that statement actually is. You could be on the right saying the left gave them sovereignty but don't want UK to have it. Or the left laughing at people demanding sovereignty of UK but unwilling to grant it to those of C.
Interesting veiw from this fence.....
@@gglen6574 I don't really see the left demanding sovereignty for the uk
Gammon is a slur
With all due respect to the British people, you're making a serious mistake by invoking a false self-determination of the islanders with respect to sovereignty.
According to the United Nations General Assembly, the competent body for the decolonization of territories, the method of decolonization, the conflict over sovereignty must be resolved through dialogue and negotiations between the Argentine Republic and the United Kingdom. The islanders do not have the right to determine the sovereignty of the territory. First, because the conflict over sovereignty precedes them, that is, the first settlers arrived in Stanley in 1843 when the territory was already disputed between Argentina and the United Kingdom. Both the first settlers and their descendants arrived in a territory that was already disputed, which would be unfair for them to unilaterally decide the sovereignty of the territory over a conflict in which they are not a party. That is why the General Assembly calls on Argentina and the United Kingdom to dialogue and resolve the controversy between them taking into account INTERESTS (way of life, local development of the community), not WISHES. There was a referendum carried out unilaterally without the organization or supervision of the United Nations, the result of which had no value because the method of decolonization is determined by the General Assembly, not by the occupying power or the local colonial government of the islands, and that method is dialogue and negotiations for the sovereignty of the islands between Argentina and the United Kingdom, not setting up unilateral referendums without any legal value.
Falklands and Gibraltar next followed by a Scottish vote on independence, same for Northern Ireland and abolishing the Union Flag.
All these miffed off people have never heard of the chagos islands and couldnt find them on the map
If they tried
There’s a huge amount of the country that are pro empire and desperately want it to return 🙄🙄🙄
It's Starmarism that people can't stomach.
O dear do you think one day just one day !! This useless article might just do something right ?? Where ever he goes he stirs up hornets nests just lock him up it would be safer 🤬🤬🤬
Stick to soccer, darts and Lee Anderson, there's a dear.
This will be a knock on effect
So how much is this going to cost British tax payers?
It will be expensive.
I would bet no one can even point it on the map 😅
Really? Speak for yourself.
@@robertcottam8824 ok Robert muppet
@akosiamarillo
It's quite easy actually. Right in the middle of the Indian Ocean
Matthew Wright is like O'Brien. They are both so out of touch with reality, until it affects them. They will defend anything, a Labour government inflicts upon the citizens.
Tories negotiated the deal. Would have happened either way. Sorry you’re still desperately clinging to the past.
@@Cyber_Crows No, I'm not clinging to the past. I despise the Tories and Labour, equally. Sorry, I didn't know the Tories had negotiated this. It's only just come on my radar.
Radical plan relocate and handsomely compensate them then send all the undocumented newcomers there then give to argentina
Abolish Monarchy! End Caste System! Return to Europe!
Labour haven't given Chagos to Mauritius.
This was negotiated by the Tories, before they lost the election.
And every single critic knows that.
Labour could have stopped it.
We are not giving it away we are giving it back which we should, Starmer as given it back with a deal that we can keep and use the military base on there for 99 years.
its never ever belonged to mauritius , the chagos people want to stay with the uk
They were never owned by Mauritius. 🐑
@@GaryTaylor-gp2qcthey want to go home.
We colonised it like the French did before us, and we shouldn't have it. It was wrong to go around colonising other countries, and we should give back anywhere that we still coloninise it's as simple as that! It was what our ancestors did, and it was barbaric! Are you saying we should not have given India, Hong Kong, or any of the other parts of the world we colonised back?
@@TammyOldham if the indians wanted to stay with the uk which they didn't then yes give it back , as said mauritius never had them , the chagos people want to stay in the uk , so no its actually wrong giving them to mauritus
Our right wing press say they should.
Y’all keep forgetting about the non disputed overseas territories like St Helena, Bermuda, Cayman Islands ect
With global warming the chagos Islands will be underwater??
Yes but not Diego Garcia,hence the voluntary render to Mauritius for the chagos islands and not Diego Garcia .
Ah, the colonial mindset! Does Cleverley not know what colour he is????
Pretty sure the agreement was done and dusted by Cleverly. But don’t let facts get in the way
And I assume Boris will blame Larry the Cat.
Publicity stunt.
You need to get all your facts right before posing the question. (In regards to the Falklands as well as these islands).
Still believe you have an “empire” eh 😂
no, we have done very well transitioning, compare to every other empire.
It’s really sad how many old people desperately cling to pre WW2 Britain and would do anything to bring it back 🙄🙄🙄
@@shaun906hahahaha
I don't know what is the matter with them
No, no, the usual suspects are correct... there's no glib glossing over it, LBC.