Can Guitarist Read Sheet Music?

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  • Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024

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  • @jonathan-jl9qu
    @jonathan-jl9qu 4 месяца назад +1626

    "That's 0-3-5!?" is the most accurate thing any of them could have said

  • @Lhlhlhlhlb
    @Lhlhlhlhlb 6 месяцев назад +3615

    We sure 65% didnt think tabs counted as sheet music?

  • @nolicol
    @nolicol 6 месяцев назад +818

    This will make a great college thesis

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  6 месяцев назад +70

      I actually just finished an English class last semester lol.

  • @K4BSS
    @K4BSS 3 месяца назад +69

    If you can read tabs that already a win lol

    • @Christian_Gab
      @Christian_Gab 3 месяца назад +6

      Very very wrong, tabs are different from sheet musics, tabs contains six lines for the guitar one, while sheet music contains 5, tabs uses numbers, sheet music uses music theory. To understand guitar tabs, you should be familiar on the finger board of guitar while to understand sheet music, you should understand MUSIC THEORY, the symbols like symbol of pizzicato, trills, glissando, allegro, BPM(s), notes/keys etc..

    • @UndarZ
      @UndarZ Месяц назад +1

      ​@@Christian_GabBut it's still a win.

    • @buffpathfinder3607
      @buffpathfinder3607 День назад

      @@Christian_Gaba lot of tabs use similar symbols, id argue both forms require some amount of music theory. A lot of tabs are also written to be spaced out in the correct rhythm, it’s a more intuitive note system.

    • @josecruz1975
      @josecruz1975 23 часа назад

      @@buffpathfinder3607the numbers go too high for tabs while standard notation there are 12 notes shown and you can play in all positions

  • @gregorramsundar
    @gregorramsundar 6 месяцев назад +536

    Ayy its that wonderwall guy

    • @davidpazmino_
      @davidpazmino_ 5 месяцев назад +70

      ikr

    • @ballin4Kandechuktim
      @ballin4Kandechuktim 5 месяцев назад +7

      ​@@davidpazmino_😂😂

    • @firedevzz
      @firedevzz 5 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@davidpazmino_i wonder if he will see this video

    • @ZmbieZT
      @ZmbieZT 5 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@firedevzzbro he commented💀

    • @firedevzz
      @firedevzz 5 месяцев назад

      @@ZmbieZT it was sarcasm

  • @elvingarcia9404
    @elvingarcia9404 3 месяца назад +122

    "thats 0-3-5!?" Made me laugh lol very relatable 😂

    • @Leoguitar2009
      @Leoguitar2009 29 дней назад +2

      Smoke on the water is not 0-3-5

  • @lightningfox0654
    @lightningfox0654 4 месяца назад +13

    Drummers sweating in the corner

  • @Rabbidgai
    @Rabbidgai 6 месяцев назад +158

    The only sheet music I know as a guitarist is from what I learned when I started out with the trombone😂

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  6 месяцев назад +17

      That's kinda how I am too. I started off with piano lol

    • @pezman789
      @pezman789 4 месяца назад +1

      ay i started on trombone too

    • @user-cz1lv4bz5f
      @user-cz1lv4bz5f 4 месяца назад

      @@Jabezrtpppiano makes it very easy, you both have the knowledge of music theory and because of the piano keyboard, you can visualize and learn the fretboard easily
      The B string is literally C #C D #D E F #F G #G A #A B

  • @AngryGoose
    @AngryGoose 4 месяца назад +107

    Thing is I can read sheet music but can not translate it to guitar 💀

    • @ReillyWebster
      @ReillyWebster 4 месяца назад

      Lmao same

    • @Donald18838
      @Donald18838 4 месяца назад +2

      Same here, I learned to read sheet music back in 7th grade while playing the recorder lol

    • @jonahhumfleet472
      @jonahhumfleet472 4 месяца назад +3

      Same, learned sheet music for piano and voice, learned guitar by ear

    • @musiclyrics0037
      @musiclyrics0037 4 месяца назад +1

      Same here,I can read aswell but If I'd had to translate it to guitar I'd fail.😂 I learned to read because I play the piano too.

    • @salinabegum4032
      @salinabegum4032 3 месяца назад

      I started on sheet music 😂😂😂

  • @gdawgs101
    @gdawgs101 4 месяца назад +5

    Ear training and being able to identify scale intervals, chord voicings by sound is honestly a more useful skill for most guitar players than reading sheet music

    • @theprobotboisyt2801
      @theprobotboisyt2801 3 месяца назад +1

      Exactly, but sheet music can help show the connections between notes and help people understand what the hell a B major cord is.

  • @technicklive6311
    @technicklive6311 3 месяца назад +29

    I can read sheet just not for guitar

  • @trevdoesweirdthings
    @trevdoesweirdthings 3 месяца назад +20

    When standard notation isn't the standard:

  • @BIGpony777
    @BIGpony777 5 месяцев назад +2

    i had never tried to read sheet music for guitar- but a month or so ago my friend and i got invited to record for an opera- and they gave me sheet music. luckily i grew up playing clarinet so i knew how to read but i ended up just learning the music note by note it seriously made me regret never even practicing reading the basics for guitar. since then ive gotten a real book and the chord names help soooo much but having the melody to read has become doable for me!!! super fun highly suggest guitarists learn

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  5 месяцев назад

      That's wassup! You had a whole character evolution ark lol

  • @HarlanHarvey76
    @HarlanHarvey76 5 месяцев назад +5

    I've always wanted to be a musician, not just a guitar player. I also always wanted to know every note on the fretboard from the beginning. I had to know. Some people are wired that way and some are just happy learning some songs and playing wherever their ear takes them. The hard part about this is when you find yourself in a group of other musicians and you want to collaborate or share ideas. It's much easier to share musical ideas when everyone speaks the same musical language. There is no right or wrong. It's all your personal journey and what you want to get out of it. Enjoy music!!

  • @Choco____1
    @Choco____1 Месяц назад +6

    I'm a pianist. I have been for half a decade, but I can't read sheet music. I just found it easier to learn with synthesia visualization.

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  Месяц назад +2

      Yo that's literally how I learned piano also. Used to watch Atinpiano

  • @ctse26
    @ctse26 6 месяцев назад +3

    I came from a piano background before playing guitar and saxaphone. Imo, piano makes sight reading so much easier than pretty much and type of instrument xD

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  6 месяцев назад

      I also started on piano! That's how I learn sheet music proficiency. Then I lost it lol

  • @techztechnicalgamer7391
    @techztechnicalgamer7391 3 месяца назад +1

    I just started to learn sheet music like 15-16 days ago and now I come across you what a great timing 😂😂❤

  • @user-yw8sr2ru4f
    @user-yw8sr2ru4f Месяц назад

    My dad has been playing for 30 years, he can play anything if you just play a second of it perfectly but when you show him music or ask him the shape of a g cord he doesn’t know, it’s amazing it truly is, I have a friend who’s been playing for the same amount but he can’t play by ear he has to read guitar sheet music to play it’s amazing on both sides.

  • @Xman1020
    @Xman1020 2 месяца назад +3

    I've played violin for 9 years and I play guitar so yes

  • @KosieRosie
    @KosieRosie 4 месяца назад +2

    i can 😎 but probably because guitar is my secondary instrument after piano

  • @GXT_ROGUE
    @GXT_ROGUE 4 месяца назад +12

    Bro tab is all you need, it tells you exactly the same as sheet music but easier to read

    • @Tux818
      @Tux818 4 месяца назад +1

      But it doesn't lol

    • @Tux818
      @Tux818 4 месяца назад

      It doesn't lol😂

    • @pilphantom
      @pilphantom 4 месяца назад

      most tab doesn’t tell you the rhythm like sheet music does. you also don’t learn much about theory when you read tab in comparison to sheet music

    • @Jerry-nu2rs
      @Jerry-nu2rs 4 месяца назад +1

      your ear is all you need *

    • @Tux818
      @Tux818 4 месяца назад

      @@Jerry-nu2rs and eyes lol

  • @dustyy7734
    @dustyy7734 3 месяца назад +4

    the only guitarists I know that can read sheet music were forced to learn by the band teacher

  • @kristineluvsbows
    @kristineluvsbows 3 месяца назад +4

    tabs are all i need

  • @FallenShade5168
    @FallenShade5168 6 месяцев назад +14

    At least David was the first on

  • @reecetilley585
    @reecetilley585 4 месяца назад +6

    I can read sheet music and everything there like words on a page thanks to being in orchestra for years, but for me the issue is that I never memorized the note names on the fretboard, so I have no idea how to sight read well and translate sheet music to the guitar all that well without taking an hour

  • @ShadowKnight785
    @ShadowKnight785 8 дней назад

    12:58
    I didn’t realise you guys did that road trip. I could’ve sworn it was the lads over on throttle house that did that one.

  • @Tortualex
    @Tortualex 6 месяцев назад +15

    100% of classical guitarrist know how to read sheet music.
    Also most of electric guitarrist also know, they know some theory too.
    The only ones who dont know are the acoustic guitarrist, they just need to knos some chords and have a decent ear for singing and thats all.

  • @Pc118Gamer
    @Pc118Gamer 3 месяца назад +1

    There's definitely some survivorship bias with using Reddit, those who don't know how to read sheet music are much less likely to answer

  • @MildredSam-jm6df
    @MildredSam-jm6df 3 месяца назад

    Legend says he is still dancing till this day

  • @jacobherr6117
    @jacobherr6117 6 месяцев назад +1

    What’s crazy is I can read but for some reason, not for guitar, only for my other instrument, cello.

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  6 месяцев назад

      Ah that's pretty cool!

  • @sasha-taylor
    @sasha-taylor 4 месяца назад

    ive been playing guitar/bass for 6 months but played jazz/classical trumpet for 8 years so i had a head start with sheet music and theory

  • @marcos_c_m
    @marcos_c_m 4 месяца назад

    Instarted playing drum and keyboard. This is how I learned to read. Play guitar over 40 years. Sight reading in keyboard is a breeze. For guitar I need to test several different ways, sometimes you have 10 different paths or more to do the same thing and then learn the one you've find most effective. The problem is not about reading . Is to find te best/right path. A line can be easy or impossible to play depends on a lot of factors. Keyboard or drum, as an example you dont have this BS. Every dot mean one especific action. On guitar its a nightmare sometimes discover the best path . and guitar articulation like floydrose techniques , multifinger tapping, bend behind nut, pick skratch , tap the bridge , slides and other especific guitar articulation, is absolutely nonsense abstration when written in standard notation. For guitar the combination tab + rhythm really is the optimal/more precise solution.

  • @ItsN0tBr4y
    @ItsN0tBr4y 17 дней назад

    As a guitarist myself I can safely say I can’t read music but I can learn music by ear so I guess that’s a win win 😅

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  17 дней назад

      Most definitely a W

  • @infentex3801
    @infentex3801 4 месяца назад +2

    I could tell it was Smoke on the water without even reading the notes 😂

  • @pokikato
    @pokikato 3 месяца назад +2

    Meanwhile in Japan:
    A guitarist who can play flute and piano using self taught sheet music

  • @13TeK11
    @13TeK11 27 дней назад +1

    Ask to singers, it’s gonna be 110% somehow

  • @I.am.a.stick36
    @I.am.a.stick36 2 дня назад

    My dad plays guitar and can’t read sheet music (or ‘the dots’ as he calls them). I’m a classically trained violinist, so whenever he gets stuck on part of a song he can’t play by ear I have to look up the sheet music and tell him what notes to play😂

  • @jmattsworld4089
    @jmattsworld4089 5 месяцев назад +3

    Ayy my boy david pazmino

  • @anvay7844
    @anvay7844 3 месяца назад

    Bro I played that frozen sheet music in first violin that u pulled out for one of my concerts 💀 that caught me off guard

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  3 месяца назад

      😂😂 I took the sheet music from my sibling lol

  • @blueice5408
    @blueice5408 Месяц назад

    It's not about can you read it, it's about can you hear the music. So can you hear the music Robert?

  • @paintingstarss
    @paintingstarss 3 месяца назад

    I can read sheet music the way a small child can read words - very slowly with lots of mistakes

  • @stargate200X
    @stargate200X 3 месяца назад

    I used to but I usually read tabs so I kinda forgot, I mostly just use bass clef music sheets because their easier to read or piano music sheets because those are the only ones I’m good at

  • @nobodyonline8454
    @nobodyonline8454 4 месяца назад

    I can sorta read sheet music for the first 4 strings because i played bass guitar a while back
    I still do but i just look at tabs

  • @thebluecomet3974
    @thebluecomet3974 2 месяца назад

    Knew it was smoke on the water even without my guitar

  • @m.r_529
    @m.r_529 3 месяца назад +1

    And I’m apart of that 33%

  • @Mundarium
    @Mundarium 4 месяца назад

    You're officially my favourite music channel

  • @Kharnate4670
    @Kharnate4670 4 месяца назад +1

    I can play violin, guitar, synth, organ, bass, double bass, piano, drums. And yet i can barely read sheet music

  • @a_little_flame589
    @a_little_flame589 Месяц назад

    It’s only the classical guys who can read sheet music sheet music is really so much better in so many ways really should be taught as the standard if you ask me

  • @Gustavdrummer4881
    @Gustavdrummer4881 9 дней назад +1

    That was David pazmino 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

  • @Bdogh2o
    @Bdogh2o Месяц назад

    I can, but that's just because I played clarinet, and when I learned to play gutair, it was easy to learn.

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  29 дней назад

      Gotcha, that's pretty cool

  • @garfieldfan3892
    @garfieldfan3892 4 месяца назад

    If you want to learn sheet music, play classical music
    I learnt the first minute of Vivaldi's 2 violin concerto in a minor op. 3 no. 8 (i think) and now i know how to read sheet music, just not fast

  • @raven4442
    @raven4442 4 месяца назад

    I can't think of one reason why i would ever actually need to know sheet music. I learn everything by ear, it's very easy.

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  4 месяца назад

      That nice! I pretty much never use sheet music

  • @dh41005
    @dh41005 4 месяца назад +2

    I can read it but it takes me like 10 minutes to figure it out lol. Been playing for over 8 yrs as well 😅

  • @Bybys_Kiausai
    @Bybys_Kiausai 4 месяца назад

    I know how to, but I am unskilled at it.

  • @crazydiamond3403
    @crazydiamond3403 4 месяца назад +1

    I can only read sheet music when im playing saxophone but not when i play guitar

  • @jonahhumfleet472
    @jonahhumfleet472 4 месяца назад

    I can’t read sheet music for guitar, but I could for singing or a light bit of piano, I just rarely ever use sheet music for music I would play on guitar

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  4 месяца назад

      That's nice especially with singing

  • @xxkitkat_playzxx1409
    @xxkitkat_playzxx1409 4 месяца назад

    I play guitar and I can't read sheet music. This would make a very good presentation

  • @PbNJSandwich_
    @PbNJSandwich_ 4 месяца назад

    I’m just lazy and want to play songs I like so I either use tabs or see if Marty’s done a vid on it 💀

  • @user-gq5gv8kz5m
    @user-gq5gv8kz5m Месяц назад +1

    I can sure as hell read sheet music, I just can't translate that to guitar

  • @MeemDuud
    @MeemDuud Месяц назад

    the funny thing is that wasn't 0-3-5, it was 2-finger power chords i'm pretty sure. Not the most common playing of smoke on the water.

  • @mantecella_the_mehecan
    @mantecella_the_mehecan Месяц назад

    I used to read sheet music in band in middle school after I entered high school and played guitar I lost the ability

  • @Unlocked985
    @Unlocked985 День назад

    You dont need to read sheet music unless your in band class or classical I just love rock I can only read notation with percussion

  • @vyndktvx3623
    @vyndktvx3623 4 месяца назад +1

    Broo i cant read sheet music but at one glance i knew it was smoke on water😂

  • @squidwardshouse7375
    @squidwardshouse7375 2 месяца назад

    Its because staff for guitar is really inefficient. One, you have to learn note names on the staff and 2, its really hard to represent the whole range if a guitar accurately without ledger lines which make it even harder. Its just not good

  • @notskunk
    @notskunk 6 месяцев назад +7

    Reading sheet music is so essential to being a good musician. Ive been playing woodwind instruments since i was in elementary school, so reading sheet music is easy. I think its something every guitarist should learn, even if its just the basics. I play bass guitar mostly and the switch from treble cleff to bass cleff is weird at first but you get used to it. Especially if you're a guitarist or bassist interested in jazz you should definitely learn to read sheet music

    • @ihateyou1379
      @ihateyou1379 6 месяцев назад

      Jazz one hundred percent requires sheet music

    • @rawbeefking866
      @rawbeefking866 5 месяцев назад

      i’ve been playing piano nearly my whole life, and personally i think that while it is a skill that is useful, music is more about expression than anything. if you can express yourself well with your instrument, you are successful.

    • @chidbro23
      @chidbro23 5 месяцев назад +4

      as a former pianist, absolutely if you play jazz or classical but other than that there’s not much use versus tabs

    • @gdawgs101
      @gdawgs101 4 месяца назад +1

      Why is it "essential" if you're never playing gigs where you have to sight read. If you're in a rock band or playing original compositions, why would you need to be able to read standard notation? And I'm saying this as someone who can read music
      If you're a jazz/classical player or you're trying to get session work or something, then yeah it's essential

  • @yvonneromero2392
    @yvonneromero2392 4 месяца назад

    I learned to read sheet music because of my piano and choir classes. For some reason, I don't do music sheet in my guitar class 😔

  • @demigodwitch5010
    @demigodwitch5010 4 месяца назад

    I play guitar and the only reason I know sheet music is because I used to play clarinet and i practice reading it with my keyboard just so I can say I know how to read it😭

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  4 месяца назад

      I'm the same lol. Only reason I know how to read(I suck at it) is because I learned from piano

  • @bruhapss
    @bruhapss 2 месяца назад

    Good thing I started on piano. I can read sheet music

  • @MrMinime23555
    @MrMinime23555 2 месяца назад

    Guitarists can read sheet music it's simply the oldest form of it called Tabliture.

  • @SMUGLORD7
    @SMUGLORD7 4 месяца назад

    Oh btw the first guy at the top is David Pazmino. He makes funny guitar skits

  • @dave3295
    @dave3295 6 месяцев назад +4

    I can read sheet music, but for drums. So if you want smoke on the water to be on the toms, I’m here for you.

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  6 месяцев назад

      Ay that's good enough!

  • @Tr1s
    @Tr1s 6 месяцев назад +1

    Yeah but only because I need to be able to write sheet music as well if I’m going to do a masters degree in musical composition

  • @MaryM.-zg3yx
    @MaryM.-zg3yx 2 месяца назад

    i can read sheet music but that’s because i play acoustic electric and classical guitar aswell as piano so i kinda have to know it so i just use it for electric aswell then

  • @jaunks
    @jaunks 3 месяца назад

    i guarantee most people on reddit lied about being able to read sheet music. also probably a good amount who cant play guitar in the first place

  • @thepotatotaxi2430
    @thepotatotaxi2430 6 месяцев назад +1

    I can read sheet music but I can only play it on piano. Used to be a pianist but guitar is so much more fun

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  6 месяцев назад

      Ayy let's goo we both started on the piano!!

    • @rawbeefking866
      @rawbeefking866 5 месяцев назад

      yeah me too. i still play the piano, but i got a guitar about a month and a half ago and i have an acoustic, so i haven’t put down the guitar a single day in weeks

  • @geetarguy777
    @geetarguy777 4 месяца назад

    I know theory and how to read sheet music but I can’t play from it from sight unless it’s on any instrument besides guitar 😂😂

  • @channelwithadogforitspfp7047
    @channelwithadogforitspfp7047 Месяц назад +1

    as a guitarist who also does music theory in school i still can't read sheet music 👍

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  Месяц назад

      You fit right in lol

  • @systemerrorrblx9412
    @systemerrorrblx9412 2 месяца назад +1

    As someone who plays multiple instruments I can say it’s not very hard!

  • @znabthe918
    @znabthe918 3 месяца назад

    I played trumpet and trombone for eight years and can't read music to this day. Including the b scale. I can recognize them and the key but iv always played by ear and or improvised

  • @officialjoegaming
    @officialjoegaming 4 месяца назад

    I wish i could too but im too lazy to find a good teacher 😂

  • @beladingpro4515
    @beladingpro4515 Месяц назад +1

    I am 14 and have been playing guitar for 7 years, but I can't read the music either 😢😂😢😂😅😅

  • @ChrisdaMEMEnoOB
    @ChrisdaMEMEnoOB 4 месяца назад

    I play piano and guitar so i can read it but it takes me a while

  • @Corbin2007
    @Corbin2007 3 месяца назад

    Well if you put a poll like that on Reddit, they’re most likely gonna try to be smart and say they can

  • @thepogona2391
    @thepogona2391 3 месяца назад

    the stem goes on the right side when it goes upwards

  • @mariaochenas3634
    @mariaochenas3634 2 месяца назад

    I don’t play guitar and I cannot read tabs, but I can damn well read sheet music!

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  2 месяца назад

      Haha that's tuff, what instrument do you play?

    • @mariaochenas3634
      @mariaochenas3634 2 месяца назад

      @@Jabezrtpp trumpet

  • @Keeby.
    @Keeby. 6 месяцев назад +2

    I can read music but idk the notes on the fretboard

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  6 месяцев назад

      I feel that. I gotta go on piano first then match it with guitar.

  • @Monke-tw4sq
    @Monke-tw4sq 5 месяцев назад

    That’s crazy I’m playing the song in band

  • @notzipfy916
    @notzipfy916 4 месяца назад

    I used to but then I dropped out of school and switched to bass

  • @jakubborczuch7543
    @jakubborczuch7543 6 месяцев назад

    I can. But not fast and effectively. But I understand it and can read it at my own pace

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  6 месяцев назад

      That's kind of how I am also, but I'ma need google pulled up to the side 😂😂

  • @suno186
    @suno186 4 месяца назад

    i'm a guitarist who can read sheet music but it's from learning flute and piano, still have no clue how the sheet music relates to the guitar💀

  • @y108hmzfs
    @y108hmzfs 2 месяца назад

    I only know sheet music because of the piano but I have no idea how to play it on the guitar

  • @RUSS-Wolfwrestlr
    @RUSS-Wolfwrestlr 2 месяца назад

    I’m the opposite. I can’t understand (or haven’t bothered learning) that but read sheet music

  • @mitchelturner7793
    @mitchelturner7793 4 месяца назад

    My mentor is a professional percussionist who plays a bit of guitar, hes first call guitarist in every city he goes too simply because he can read sheet music, guitarists that can play circles around him cant get the gigs he does cause they cant read

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  4 месяца назад

      Yeah reading sheet music opens up some opportunities

  • @robotic-race
    @robotic-race 2 месяца назад

    I can read sheet music, but i cant play it on guitar without a lot of manual counting up from the string to said note

  • @rjstandland4459
    @rjstandland4459 5 месяцев назад

    I can read sheet music in treble with clarinet but guitar no
    And you sheet music you read it like a book left to right

  • @Cybertron1256
    @Cybertron1256 5 месяцев назад +1

    I can read letters and numbers, but not the symbols💀

  • @potatostudios3588
    @potatostudios3588 5 месяцев назад

    I can read sheet music, but that is because I am also in band

  • @Cow.cool.
    @Cow.cool. 3 месяца назад

    i can only because i also play clarinet and sax 😭

  • @gotzilla9692
    @gotzilla9692 Месяц назад

    I thought smoke on the water started with quarts, not thirds? But what do I know, I am a guitarist....

  • @Leoguitar2009
    @Leoguitar2009 Месяц назад +1

    I can read sheet music I just don’t need sheet music cause I don’t play classical music cause I don’t play dinosaur dance music

    • @Jabezrtpp
      @Jabezrtpp  Месяц назад

      That's a good thing to have. How did you learn?