Well I dont play classic but my assumption is that people do that to make the raid easier but also I guess it feels good to be way stronger due to the world buffs
I usually get tribute buffs after im done with my last solo tribute run for the day, then i port to og. After i do that i fly to felwood and get my songflower. Then i just log off and i come on when ony is dropped. I log off again. I search for a person to port me to Mojamba isle and i get spirit of zandalar with a couple guildies like 10 mins before raid. The whole process costs me like 20-30 minutes. (excluding the tribute run that i do for gold anyway as a hunter)
@@warlockscribe idk, it probably depends on the type of person you are, I bought it on release of shadowlands, and I gotta say, it's pretty fun. But that's probably mostly cause I'm playing with friends
People were playing vanilla for fun, no one cared about "efficiency" or "min maxing".. but the longer a video game is played, the more the community tries to outdo itself.. and as far as i know WOW is the only game played by a huge number of people for the longest time. There is just no way to enjoy the game apart from playing casually
@@sleepyguy6948 Starcraft is older than melee, and is still alive, and I am sure some dude will bring out a 30yo game that still has a small community. Then people will say Pacman records are still a thing. Then people will point out chess, that has been a videogame for at least 30y
Same, my guild does raid log, and we're quite organized. I've healed through BWL and once I got most of the tank gear my guild allowed me to tank it and also the MC runs. We have 3 thunderfury tanks so it wasn't easy but they were all patient and supportive. Some IDs I even went cat, just so our warriors have more crit ! It's all about finding like minded players.
I don't know why people don't realize this. I play rocket league daily and at least once a day people will call me trash because our team lost. It's never been a specific game, it's the anonymity that comes with online play.
Dude I remember playing WoW on my cousins account when he had the beta. He legit said to come over and play it. He left shortly after I made the character (human mage) and I was TOTALLY hooked by the time I left northshire. I didn't go over to play on that character too often, but I was definitely thinking about that game a ton. I had to wait until the end of January 2005 until I was able to save for my own game (the downfalls of a 15/16 year old). I've been hooked since. I definitely miss the old days on Bloodhoof
man youre lucky. i was barely 8 by the time vanilla wow came out. i wish i couldve experienced it new with everyone. i started a few years later in wrath
14:40 still happens to this day. you kill an players of the opposing faction and shortly after you got a battle net friend request. Everytime this happens you get a massive grin on your face, because you know you made this guy mad and you're about to hear/read his babyrage.
Kühn Andreas back in legion I was ganking a lvl 62 goblin dk and he called his demon hunter girlfriend and I ganked her to and camped them. He added be in btag just to cry at me to stop doing it so I said ok and the... i unfriended him on btag and kept doing it to them until they logged off. keep in mind I was a under geared blood dk and his gf was a raid geared dh
I was a rogue in a guild running T5 then t6 towards the end of prepatch. I remember there was another rogue who’s dps was always just 1-3% better than mine on Void Reaver which was the boss with which my guild ranked our melee DPS. I never understood why as I LIVED AND BREATHED my equipment/ability tree spreadsheet. I never understood why he always topped me until he quit one day and was like btw you know you were just missing x flask right? 3%. Three percent. I caught so much shit for that fuckin’ 3% and it was because of a fuckin’ flask.
>People complain about borrowed power in retail >Also people forces 40 ppl run MC with world buffs To be clear: not defending borrowed power, but you have to appreciate the irony.
@@jowarnis i think its the core new mechanic of each xpac that lasts through its entire life cycle, like legion's artifact weapons, BFA's HOA and now shadowlands covenants.
@@jowarnis borrowed power is the system Blizzard uses to make your character stronger, and then they throw it away at the end of the expansion. Legion artifacts, corruption and heart of azeroth for bfa, covenants in shatlands. It's supposed to help stop the crazy number inflation because they remove the systems at the end of the xpac, but in reality it just feels bad.
@@jowarnis to add on what was said : the main critique is that blizzard focuses too much on bloated, disposable (as in: throws away every expansion), that are hard to balance, instead of focusing on making the core of the classes and specs fun and strong by themselves
I'm so happy being a casual, retail Andy. Playing the game for 2 months during summer, logging off after that, and doing it all again next year. This year, all I did was level my ret paladin and arcane mage to ilevel 410, complete the campaigns, do some raiding and mount hunting. I think I'm about to call it for the year and spend the rest of summer watching Asmon vods explaining why the classic community sucks (all be it just the 1% neckbeards). If you spend 100% of your time enjoying something that is meant to just be enjoyed, you will never lose, remember that
Classic is good if you find the relaxed people and a fun guild, but it is nothing like the vanilla community was when a huge portion had no clue what they were doing for the longest time and everyone still had fun and got things done, granted it was horrible as well sometimes but not as bad as classic.
itemlvl 410? bro you can get a higher itemlevel than that even without dungeons and raids, and im a casual myself, been playing for 3 weeks now and am at ilvl 439 or something
One reason that the PvP community is so toxic, is that the excuses are somewhat legitimate. Lots of things are broken in classic. It's not a fair skill based game. I'd say that the outcome of a match is 80-90% determined by teamcomp, gear, overpowered consumables, engineering, and cheesy strategies like wallhopping druids in WSG to reach exploit locations. There isn't a lot of "skill expression" to be had in most situations in classic, apart from some classes having 1v1's. Small scale PvP (1v1-3v3) with some specs/classes like the drakedog warlock spec, mage, rogue, druid, shadow priest, and hunter can be relatively skill dependent and fun, given that players have relatively similar gear. But an alliance premade with a paladin, 2 priests, and a balanced combination of the best DPS classes, all geared to the teeth in BiS gear, abusing consumables like FAPs and engineering gadgets, will always 1000-0 demolish an unorganized group of horde randoms in terrible gear, almost no engineers or players using consumables, with a teamcomp of 4 warlocks, 2 shadow priests, rogues, and one druid as a "healer". It is a legitimate complaint that the match was 100% unfair, and when 9/10 of your games are like that, it's easy to get a bit toxic when you can't even have a fight in the BG before being steamrolled. Still it's WAY overkill to blame the enemy team for it, obviously they are going to abuse such things if they want to compete in ranking. And it's incredibly degenerate to send hatemail, or especially threats to individuals for playing efficiently.
One reason, if not the main reason. I did the ranking as Horde and I felt toxic towards Alliance premades at times but never to the extent of creating a new toon and sending hate messages. I can see how others would do it though.
The problema is that, at the core Vanilla is was supposed to ben an MMO RPG game, and RPG are not supposed to be competitive PVP games, the PVE is the core of RPG balance since pen and papper.
no time is actually "wasted". You enjoyed the times so it wasn't wasted. If you wanna move on and do something else than do it , don't beat your self up about it. WE ALL GONNA DIE ANYWAYS.
Once I started raiding and doing real pvp in TBC and was actually halfway decent at the game I started hunting people on my server on my rogue. The horde pop on our server was 2-3 times larger than the ally, so we would get camped relentlessly while leveling and now I finally had a way to fight back. I would fly in and drop off the mount in stealth, and shadowstep down to the person on the ground like some kind of spec ops soldier, at least that’s how I thought of myself. Then I’d camp them until they brought in too many friends. I had a whole folder just for the screenshots of the messages these people sent me. The rage was incredible. At that time I only had that one account so I couldn’t hop to a horde character to talk shit. It was so much fun to see a horde camping some ally trying to level in HFP, only for me to fly in and start camping them back. It was glorious and hilarious.
It's just like warmode for US and EU, 8.0.3 (pre-patch and patch) Horde gloated, they were so good. Camped my body for 5 hours till 5am... Then 8.1 gave us the bloated reward for killing 25 people just once, not even 30 minutes later the forums were full with Horde who were reguarly camping Boralus even and every FP Alliance reguarly used complaining how we were ruining the game. So they ruining our game for 3 motnths was oke, but the moment they got camped. I loved getting whispers from how this wasn't far PvP, 5+ vs me solo was fair? Short story short, they only wanna win. I gave up on WM now and never been happier, 30% bonus... it's just not going down. I want people not 18.18% extra gold. 8.0.3 warmode made a master at avoiding Horde, sniping mobs, hiding and escaping on a NE DH though. Even farmed Horde slayer that way (the salty messages were beyond great). Hey they camped me even in the Boralus inn, so yeah no regrets.
That's definitely a robe. You put on snuggles the opposite way you put on a robe leaving the gap at the back and the neck and shoulders covered up and 'snuggled up' tight to the neck
You may think it's a robe but there's no collar.. or defined lapelle.. therefore it's not meant to be open to the front but actually open to the rear with arms through the holes so you can still type while having a blanket on...
WCB's the only worldbuff that takes a lot of effort to get (for Alliance). Other than that go ZG island, get your flask, get ZG buff -> Hearth to Stormwind for Ony -> Summons to uninstanced DMT -> get your DMT buff -> summons to songflower -> Summons to AQ40. If it's DMF week you add in a DMF buff after Ony. Assuming everyone in your guild levels 1-2 lvl20 summoners and you place them across the world it's not that complicated. The thing that takes time is if you don't have an organized ZG pop, otherwise all of that can be communicated on Discord when Ony is popping next or when there's DMT buff service available.
I refuse to get world buffs. I didn’t spend all that time leveling a main for it to sit for 6 days a week, we didn’t need it 15 years ago, we don’t need it now.
It's exactly why I will never touch WoW again. It's a virtual psychiatric prison from which you yourself don't want to be freed from. Though, I had a nice, creepy tour of it for a few months xD
Genuine question, why is personal loot a bad thing? It seems to me in a 40 man raid, in a system that isn't personalized, and instead everyone has to share a pool, that is an objectively worse system. I'm sorry, but I refuse to dedicate my time to a raid if I'm not actually getting something for that time. Completely open to explanation here, as I am a relatively recent convert to WoW, and I'd like to know how veteran players see the issue.
I don't really even play WoW but I believe it has something to do with randomization of abilities on gear. It seems to be exceptionally difficult to actually get upgrades from the personalized system, let alone even tell if something is an upgrade. The old style loot had predetermined stats on gear so you could focus on getting certain pieces of gear, or the raid group itself would work with you to distribute gear to you or those who actually needed it. This is from an outside perspective and I am likely wrong here. I just figured I could at least try to answer your question cause nobody else has replied xD.
@@FieldMarshall3 Asmongold character is the most stupid thing I ever heard. Yeah he is overreacting a lot of times because he is an entertainer but it's not like he is playing a fucking character. Most of the time he is himself and he is getting really angry, upset or he is acting like a douch (loot).
I'm still in the same guild as start of Legion and still play with the main core of people. I don't think anyone should listen to people blaming their lack of social skills on the game. It's very easy to befriend and play with a community still. Just gotta make the effort. Community isn't exclusive to classic.
just want to see what happens to the world when the internet isnt anonymous for just 1 week...would everything end or would trolls stop trolling because they cant hide **wondering**
The thing with classic is that you can't realy mesure someone's performance adequately. Parses are a joke because they rely heavily on your gear, world buffs and fight length. And there are no arena or bg rating. So how do you even know that he sucks?
@@sadfasdfasdfasdfasdf16 right so you measure it based on the guild they are in, like every time I see someone that raids with the best guild on the server I always am like wow this guy must be good
Wait is EVE actually toxic? Everything I’ve heard about EVE makes it sound like you need degrees physics and engineering to even hope to understand the endgame lmao
Isn't it ironic that madseason made a wow classic video pre release, rating the community in the top 10 things to look forward to in classic, and then post release he says its one of the worst things about classic?
In league u can just mute all or ignore, in wow even if it is toxic pm it yell and tell and gold spammers there too much to ignore and u dont want to switch chat off completely.
I played at release till the end of BC, my guild was a super-chill and fun and also somewhat competitive. I still remember our guild master and vice master so wasted and drunk that they took best enchanting mats in our guild banks which we gathered for AQ40 enchanted their lvl 1 daggers and gears then dueled at front of Ironforge. Drunk, RPing, yelling, but couldn't line up and hit each other because they were randomly circling around. (dwarf priest and gnome mage) people watching was laughing their ass off while class leaders betting which one get the first hit or not. Even with this bullshits, pure dps-hunger lineups, pom-pyro pulls and causing faction wars in every goddamn raid because our rogue class leader couldn't hold himself and gank horde guildmaster in front of raidzones. We got first C'thun clear in our server. Never used world buff meta because we're too lazy for it. Downside was, i played nearly all available mmo-mmorpgs but couldn't get hooked any guild or clan because of my past experiences. What a beautiful days they were.
you never wasted you time if you had fun. you only get talked into wanting more from the outside, like comments from family or firends that you should want more. but they are all just chasing a blueprint of a live that somebody said is desirable and no one asks: why if im happy with what i do right now?
Asmongold keeping me in Classic for sure after rattling off all the shit for retail again, lol. My classic guild requires zero buffs for raiding. They request we bring our own pots and elixirs if we're capable of doing so, but no flasks required either. We do our class buffs when we get in the raid and taadaa, you're ready to roll. Since we all want to do well, and want the guild to progress well, we do what we can to bring appropriate consumes and to get world buffs if we're able, but that's individual above-and-beyond effort.
I really wished someone in asmon's raids would ninja loot any of the items he desires the most, then we'd see how similar to those who wish death upon ninja looters he is even tho he makes it sound as he wouldn't be
I feel like this is either a US problem, or big-server problem. I've been playing classic since launch on a EU PvP-server. I don't think I've ever had an argument with anyone tbh. There are some idiots I guess, but I just ignore them. I have a lot of friends on the server, our guilds work together and help eachother. I don't know if its cuz im officer in one of the best guilds on the server, if Im getting special treatment. But when people talk about the toxic envoirment of classic, I have no idea what they're talking about tbh.
I think they should have made raid bosses harder in classic, and maybe added some different mechanics. I know people would say, "then it wouldn't be classic", but in vanilla, when people knew nothing... The raids were hard. Now that everyone knows everything, they should have made raids harder to compensate in order to better replicate the vanilla experience.
That whole theory that anyone who talks about being "good" or "tough", isn't actually good or tough, is fundamentally flawed. There are just as many people that suck and are quiet, and just as many people that are loud mouthed and good. The theory sounds good on paper but it's a fairy-tale stereotype that people choose to believe because it brings a sense of justice and security to people that get wrecked by someone that's both loud, and good. Or maybe because it lends some legitimacy to the quiet ones being good by default. Who knows. Either way, it's wishful thinking by anyone who thinks it's that simple.
The distinction is between trash talk to throw someone off they're game and actively being toxic BECAUSE you lost. We've all gotten angry because some weird shit happened that made us lose where we would have won and it's not an issue if you say something. The problem is thinking ALL losses are just luck and not trying to understand what you could have done better. If someone beats me and talks shit about how much I suck, there's not really much of an argument I can make against that besides beating them. If someone is saying I suck and they've never beaten me, they're just being toxic because the can't take an L. World of difference.
the PvP salt reminds me of a guy me & my brother used to play PvP with in guild wars 2. he blocked so many people in game that he'd frequently complain about how he ran out of space on his block list.
@@preds43 The class balance may be far worse than retail but the class design is so much better, class design in retail is probably the worst of all time. Some community is better than no community in retail. The endgame in retail is just awful with all the worthless grinding of garbage you have to do for no reason which is why most peoples endgame in retail is farming cosmetics.
Shape430 I’m sure it did, classic is full of kids. How many adults you think actually watch classic streamers that have dumb face emotes and do literally content anyone can do and get cheers for it?
I got the charger back in actual vanilla. My guildies helped me run that place so much, that when we weren’t raiding, we were running that damned dungeon. Fond memories....
I helped my hunter friend get his cloak from baron. We started in nostalrius, moved to elysium, then rerolled on lights hope while running strat atleast once a day. Then classic came out. I saw 5 mounts before we finally got his cloak in classic after BWL released…. I wish I was making this shit up. Oh and of course I didn’t win a single one of the mounts…..
I too had that same headset, but instead of holding the broken piece like I was talking on a cordless phone from the 90's, I wore a beanie, and tucked the earpiece under the flap, securing it snugly to my ear until the next holiday/ birthday when I could ask for a new one lmao.
I don't know where people get this idea that world buffs make WoW Classic easier. Just about *any* mechanic that will 1 shot you for not paying attention will still 1 shot you with world buffs. World buffs make *some* mechanics more forgiving, very few, and apart from that it just makes raids faster. That's it. But I do hate them and can't wait to not have to worry about them at all anymore in BC.
My good friend in Classic refused to abide by the PVP tier bureaucracy created on our server because he just wanted to play PVP the way he wanted and just live guild-less. As he started to get closer and closer to GM, things eventually escalated after word got around that he was epileptic. People would rapidly move their characters around him once they got in a BG and try to FORCE HIM TO HAVE A SEIZURE. When he told me, I’ve never been so mad in my entire life.
An rpg, be it mmo or not, is inheritely a singleplayer experience because you only play for the advancement of your character, you don't really pay 15 bucks a month to help Billy with his Dead Mines run.
the retail community consists of logging in, queing for a dungeon/lfr, joining, healers sucking, or vis versa, tank sucking, causing argumetns, causing shit talking, causing quitters lol
A typical smash player will still rage when they lose. It dont stop at 10, some of the most creative insults I've heard were from playing smash w college buddies
i like how he lists all these requierements for retail raiding making it sound like its a lot but it literally sums up as ''just play the game and youre good''
Yea for the most part, like play the game since the start like any rpg and you are good, what is annoying for me it is alt unfriendly but exept that. Its realy just play the game, i dont think any other rpg have an easy way to catch up if you made it late ...
This one time when I died with about 0.01 seconds left in WSG, I went full screaming turbo-nerd and hit my push-to-talk button on accident...out of habit. That was embarrassing.
i block after msging people, not because i'm fragile, but because most people want the last say or feel the need to respond and it riles them up so good xD
Everyone should get their own personal loot and then maybe a couple pieces that can be handed out . Sharing 3-4 items for an entire raid is just ridiculous.
The worse thing about classic is trying to get back into it once they have released further raids than MC and Onyxia. Gotta grit your teeth to catchup while 60s gank you for the fuck of it in every zones from lv30 upwards and most of the community on your own faction is either already 60 not giving af about lower lvls and/or min maxing their leveling to 60. The worse thing about Classic, is that it's an horrid experience for new players and a meatgrinder for those who know what they're doing but have to catch up.
I felt this back in the day. Sitting with my rogue in AV Ambushing low health people in the back of the fight and vanishing.. Got so many hate mails and people on level ones cussing me out lol good days.
Loool, the guy who ninjaed Edgemasters almost deserved it.... Why the hell would a group ever agree to GREED an item of high value? o.O In general, why greed if it is an item everyone is going to sell anyways? If nobody is going to ninja the item, then it dosn't matter if all greed or need. BUT, humans are assholes, so why ever take the chance and greed?! You'd only set yourself up for loss and failure.
tbc had world buffs too but they were way less powerful than in classic you can rather see them as a cherry on top of your consumables rather than a 50 to 60% performance increase as is the case for some classes in classic.
Don't forget the people who spend all day trying to dispel the world buffs of others, naked corpse hopping to the enemy faction's inn as a priest just to dispel a tank, or grouping up at a flight path or somewhere else just to dispel. Two sides of the same shit coin.
Had a paladin who disliked me for reasons he never bothered to share send his girlfriend into a dungeon i was tanking to sabotage the run and blame it on my tanking skills, she blurted it out in anger at the end.
Last night on Darkspear a resto shaman got lambasted by a ret pally for asking for help on a rare, was told to just solo it. The gamer community just ain't shit anymore. Edit: Talking about retail, not any better than classic at all in my experience.
I feel like I'm being gas-lit. I truly haven't experienced any of this playing on the classic servers. The world Buffs thing was true but everything else was false. I found groups to be very welcoming and even if I did something wrong, they would take time to explain it unlike on retail where they would just kick me. Maybe it's just my experience. I heard PVP servers and servers with very high population are more toxic.
I made this friend two days ago, we were questing in elwynn and I asked what country he was from as his character name seemed foreign, he said Italy, and I replied with well you have good English then he says something I forgot and then he said I’m high, I replied with what on and he said weed, this guy was chilling on classic wow whilst stoned
If you're winning, it's because you're talented.
If you're losing, it's because the other guy is cheating.
Scrub mindset 101
This is human nature.
This is correct.
"efficiency = spending more time getting world buffs then the actual length of the raid, real efficient.
Well I dont play classic but my assumption is that people do that to make the raid easier but also I guess it feels good to be way stronger due to the world buffs
I usually get tribute buffs after im done with my last solo tribute run for the day, then i port to og. After i do that i fly to felwood and get my songflower. Then i just log off and i come on when ony is dropped. I log off again. I search for a person to port me to Mojamba isle and i get spirit of zandalar with a couple guildies like 10 mins before raid. The whole process costs me like 20-30 minutes. (excluding the tribute run that i do for gold anyway as a hunter)
@@edwardtherhea6818 csb
Problem is there isn't anything else to do in the game lol.
@@garrettcason3692 You could always get another alt? ^^
I don’t play WOW. But I like learning about it. Honestly; playing the game looks more like torture.
Nvm; I subscribed and came to realize the game was gay. My bad; people.
@Rick Grimes nerd
@@cleric4049 This was the comment I needed to find, thank you for taking away all the curiosity I had.
@@warlockscribe idk, it probably depends on the type of person you are, I bought it on release of shadowlands, and I gotta say, it's pretty fun. But that's probably mostly cause I'm playing with friends
@@Timotejy I tried it out anyways, and I was not fond of it as a solo player.
People were playing vanilla for fun, no one cared about "efficiency" or "min maxing".. but the longer a video game is played, the more the community tries to outdo itself.. and as far as i know WOW is the only game played by a huge number of people for the longest time. There is just no way to enjoy the game apart from playing casually
*laughs in league of legends*
@@espennetland5709 pretty sure wow is older than lol
Wow is up there for sure but fighting game communities are probably the longest lasting game communities. Melee been goin strong for 20 years now.
@@sleepyguy6948 Starcraft is older than melee, and is still alive, and I am sure some dude will bring out a 30yo game that still has a small community. Then people will say Pacman records are still a thing. Then people will point out chess, that has been a videogame for at least 30y
@@sleepyguy6948 Fg community is beyond cringe
This is why I joined a non-minmax guild. No Worldbuffs required. play a specc you like rather than the best
I Love it.
Same, my guild does raid log, and we're quite organized. I've healed through BWL and once I got most of the tank gear my guild allowed me to tank it and also the MC runs. We have 3 thunderfury tanks so it wasn't easy but they were all patient and supportive. Some IDs I even went cat, just so our warriors have more crit ! It's all about finding like minded players.
@@Jupexy X to doubt it, you can only play spec you want, unless you got bis gear that can make it work for minmaxing
That exists?
Gaming in general has become more toxic than most nuclear waste sites.
Only competitive games imo
But yeah, you're right Sadge
Asmongold is triggered by the notion that all rogues are scum? He is a science denier! Get a dictionary.
Has always been
esake true. Btw warning 12 year old cry babies are about to attack you be on guard
I don't know why people don't realize this. I play rocket league daily and at least once a day people will call me trash because our team lost. It's never been a specific game, it's the anonymity that comes with online play.
Dude I remember playing WoW on my cousins account when he had the beta. He legit said to come over and play it. He left shortly after I made the character (human mage) and I was TOTALLY hooked by the time I left northshire. I didn't go over to play on that character too often, but I was definitely thinking about that game a ton. I had to wait until the end of January 2005 until I was able to save for my own game (the downfalls of a 15/16 year old). I've been hooked since. I definitely miss the old days on Bloodhoof
man youre lucky. i was barely 8 by the time vanilla wow came out. i wish i couldve experienced it new with everyone. i started a few years later in wrath
14:40 still happens to this day. you kill an players of the opposing faction and shortly after you got a battle net friend request. Everytime this happens you get a massive grin on your face, because you know you made this guy mad and you're about to hear/read his babyrage.
Kühn Andreas back in legion I was ganking a lvl 62 goblin dk and he called his demon hunter girlfriend and I ganked her to and camped them. He added be in btag just to cry at me to stop doing it so I said ok and the... i unfriended him on btag and kept doing it to them until they logged off. keep in mind I was a under geared blood dk and his gf was a raid geared dh
@@CriminalIntent89 ? FeelsWeirdMan
The Suite Life of Cack and Zody he’s complaining cause he’s one of them
CriminalIntent89 lol that’s enough of a little bitch that they need to add someone on btag to cry can’t roast
@@mistwrath5957 he deleted his comment LULW
I was a rogue in a guild running T5 then t6 towards the end of prepatch. I remember there was another rogue who’s dps was always just 1-3% better than mine on Void Reaver which was the boss with which my guild ranked our melee DPS. I never understood why as I LIVED AND BREATHED my equipment/ability tree spreadsheet. I never understood why he always topped me until he quit one day and was like btw you know you were just missing x flask right?
3%.
Three percent.
I caught so much shit for that fuckin’ 3% and it was because of a fuckin’ flask.
>People complain about borrowed power in retail
>Also people forces 40 ppl run MC with world buffs
To be clear: not defending borrowed power, but you have to appreciate the irony.
havent played retail in a while, whats borrowed power?
@@jowarnis i think its the core new mechanic of each xpac that lasts through its entire life cycle, like legion's artifact weapons, BFA's HOA and now shadowlands covenants.
i have no idea how you're getting upvoted when you clearly know what he means by borrowed power. what a shit fucking take
@@jowarnis borrowed power is the system Blizzard uses to make your character stronger, and then they throw it away at the end of the expansion. Legion artifacts, corruption and heart of azeroth for bfa, covenants in shatlands. It's supposed to help stop the crazy number inflation because they remove the systems at the end of the xpac, but in reality it just feels bad.
@@jowarnis to add on what was said : the main critique is that blizzard focuses too much on bloated, disposable (as in: throws away every expansion), that are hard to balance, instead of focusing on making the core of the classes and specs fun and strong by themselves
Asmon: "Wow, who are these people?!"
His chat: "Ummm.... >_>"
I'm so happy being a casual, retail Andy. Playing the game for 2 months during summer, logging off after that, and doing it all again next year. This year, all I did was level my ret paladin and arcane mage to ilevel 410, complete the campaigns, do some raiding and mount hunting. I think I'm about to call it for the year and spend the rest of summer watching Asmon vods explaining why the classic community sucks (all be it just the 1% neckbeards). If you spend 100% of your time enjoying something that is meant to just be enjoyed, you will never lose, remember that
same
Classic is good if you find the relaxed people and a fun guild, but it is nothing like the vanilla community was when a huge portion had no clue what they were doing for the longest time and everyone still had fun and got things done, granted it was horrible as well sometimes but not as bad as classic.
Exactly same as me dude. Love playing casual now
At least classic has a community. Also you don't have to tryhard WoW classic at all.
itemlvl 410? bro you can get a higher itemlevel than that even without dungeons and raids, and im a casual myself, been playing for 3 weeks now and am at ilvl 439 or something
"The classic wow community is much worse than the retail community." - What retail community?
One reason that the PvP community is so toxic, is that the excuses are somewhat legitimate. Lots of things are broken in classic. It's not a fair skill based game. I'd say that the outcome of a match is 80-90% determined by teamcomp, gear, overpowered consumables, engineering, and cheesy strategies like wallhopping druids in WSG to reach exploit locations.
There isn't a lot of "skill expression" to be had in most situations in classic, apart from some classes having 1v1's. Small scale PvP (1v1-3v3) with some specs/classes like the drakedog warlock spec, mage, rogue, druid, shadow priest, and hunter can be relatively skill dependent and fun, given that players have relatively similar gear.
But an alliance premade with a paladin, 2 priests, and a balanced combination of the best DPS classes, all geared to the teeth in BiS gear, abusing consumables like FAPs and engineering gadgets, will always 1000-0 demolish an unorganized group of horde randoms in terrible gear, almost no engineers or players using consumables, with a teamcomp of 4 warlocks, 2 shadow priests, rogues, and one druid as a "healer".
It is a legitimate complaint that the match was 100% unfair, and when 9/10 of your games are like that, it's easy to get a bit toxic when you can't even have a fight in the BG before being steamrolled. Still it's WAY overkill to blame the enemy team for it, obviously they are going to abuse such things if they want to compete in ranking. And it's incredibly degenerate to send hatemail, or especially threats to individuals for playing efficiently.
Good point. I never thought about it like that but you're right.
One reason, if not the main reason. I did the ranking as Horde and I felt toxic towards Alliance premades at times but never to the extent of creating a new toon and sending hate messages. I can see how others would do it though.
and in retail you just need to stack corruption
The problema is that, at the core Vanilla is was supposed to ben an MMO RPG game, and RPG are not supposed to be competitive PVP games, the PVE is the core of RPG balance since pen and papper.
"They already are. It's called speedruiing MC". lmao so true
12:50 That's why I have badboy set so you can't whisper me unless your at least lv. 3
Not gonna lie, this made me take a look outside myself, and all the time I'm wasting, and I think its time to sell my account and move on with life.
no time is actually "wasted". You enjoyed the times so it wasn't wasted. If you wanna move on and do something else than do it , don't beat your self up about it. WE ALL GONNA DIE ANYWAYS.
@@l9mbus969 This. Literally anything you do in life is a "waste of time".
$5.00 take it or leave it.
@@BlGGESTBROTHER yea. but nihilism is not the way to go.
@@BlGGESTBROTHER But sleeping with beautiful women or working your dream job is way more rewarding waste of time than Classic WoW
Once I started raiding and doing real pvp in TBC and was actually halfway decent at the game I started hunting people on my server on my rogue. The horde pop on our server was 2-3 times larger than the ally, so we would get camped relentlessly while leveling and now I finally had a way to fight back. I would fly in and drop off the mount in stealth, and shadowstep down to the person on the ground like some kind of spec ops soldier, at least that’s how I thought of myself. Then I’d camp them until they brought in too many friends. I had a whole folder just for the screenshots of the messages these people sent me. The rage was incredible. At that time I only had that one account so I couldn’t hop to a horde character to talk shit. It was so much fun to see a horde camping some ally trying to level in HFP, only for me to fly in and start camping them back. It was glorious and hilarious.
It's just like warmode for US and EU, 8.0.3 (pre-patch and patch) Horde gloated, they were so good. Camped my body for 5 hours till 5am... Then 8.1 gave us the bloated reward for killing 25 people just once, not even 30 minutes later the forums were full with Horde who were reguarly camping Boralus even and every FP Alliance reguarly used complaining how we were ruining the game. So they ruining our game for 3 motnths was oke, but the moment they got camped. I loved getting whispers from how this wasn't far PvP, 5+ vs me solo was fair? Short story short, they only wanna win. I gave up on WM now and never been happier, 30% bonus... it's just not going down. I want people not 18.18% extra gold. 8.0.3 warmode made a master at avoiding Horde, sniping mobs, hiding and escaping on a NE DH though. Even farmed Horde slayer that way (the salty messages were beyond great). Hey they camped me even in the Boralus inn, so yeah no regrets.
I think that's a Snuggie, not a housecoat, effectively a blanket with arm holes
It's a robe, he unboxed it yesterday on his Vlog channel
That's definitely a robe. You put on snuggles the opposite way you put on a robe leaving the gap at the back and the neck and shoulders covered up and 'snuggled up' tight to the neck
You may think it's a robe but there's no collar.. or defined lapelle.. therefore it's not meant to be open to the front but actually open to the rear with arms through the holes so you can still type while having a blanket on...
My friend didn't know about the world buff cooldown when he won a ony head drop in a pug, he dropped it and got death threats for 2 days
I would love them to make Classic+ servers with some changes, such as world buff lockouts.
WCB's the only worldbuff that takes a lot of effort to get (for Alliance). Other than that go ZG island, get your flask, get ZG buff -> Hearth to Stormwind for Ony -> Summons to uninstanced DMT -> get your DMT buff -> summons to songflower -> Summons to AQ40. If it's DMF week you add in a DMF buff after Ony. Assuming everyone in your guild levels 1-2 lvl20 summoners and you place them across the world it's not that complicated. The thing that takes time is if you don't have an organized ZG pop, otherwise all of that can be communicated on Discord when Ony is popping next or when there's DMT buff service available.
I refuse to get world buffs. I didn’t spend all that time leveling a main for it to sit for 6 days a week, we didn’t need it 15 years ago, we don’t need it now.
It's exactly why I will never touch WoW again. It's a virtual psychiatric prison from which you yourself don't want to be freed from.
Though, I had a nice, creepy tour of it for a few months xD
Genuine question, why is personal loot a bad thing? It seems to me in a 40 man raid, in a system that isn't personalized, and instead everyone has to share a pool, that is an objectively worse system. I'm sorry, but I refuse to dedicate my time to a raid if I'm not actually getting something for that time. Completely open to explanation here, as I am a relatively recent convert to WoW, and I'd like to know how veteran players see the issue.
I don't really even play WoW but I believe it has something to do with randomization of abilities on gear. It seems to be exceptionally difficult to actually get upgrades from the personalized system, let alone even tell if something is an upgrade. The old style loot had predetermined stats on gear so you could focus on getting certain pieces of gear, or the raid group itself would work with you to distribute gear to you or those who actually needed it. This is from an outside perspective and I am likely wrong here. I just figured I could at least try to answer your question cause nobody else has replied xD.
asmongold: they are MAD for no reason o.o
also asmongold: F*** *headbutts the table*
He usually has a reason lol, but yeah. Sorta hypocritical
@@FieldMarshall3 Asmongold character is the most stupid thing I ever heard. Yeah he is overreacting a lot of times because he is an entertainer but it's not like he is playing a fucking character. Most of the time he is himself and he is getting really angry, upset or he is acting like a douch (loot).
@@FieldMarshall3 wow he probably wouldve gotten an oscar by now if that was an act
@@sbsftw4232 at least he isn't sending death threats and doxxing people lmfao
I'm still in the same guild as start of Legion and still play with the main core of people. I don't think anyone should listen to people blaming their lack of social skills on the game. It's very easy to befriend and play with a community still. Just gotta make the effort. Community isn't exclusive to classic.
Outside of your guild you probably know like 5 players. In classic you know most everyone even outside your guild
@@jacobkeller7172 Ok classic andy
just want to see what happens to the world when the internet isnt anonymous for just 1 week...would everything end or would trolls stop trolling because they cant hide **wondering**
Why does Asmongold keep telling us its an easy game but he sucks at all facets of it?
He’s so bad at lore. Holy..
@@masongroves4226 lore Andy
The thing with classic is that you can't realy mesure someone's performance adequately. Parses are a joke because they rely heavily on your gear, world buffs and fight length. And there are no arena or bg rating. So how do you even know that he sucks?
@@sadfasdfasdfasdfasdf16 right so you measure it based on the guild they are in, like every time I see someone that raids with the best guild on the server I always am like wow this guy must be good
6:45 *talking about in game chat:"It's probably the most toxic in gaming history"....*
*EVE Online: "Hold my beer, b!tch*
Wait is EVE actually toxic? Everything I’ve heard about EVE makes it sound like you need degrees physics and engineering to even hope to understand the endgame lmao
Isn't it ironic that madseason made a wow classic video pre release, rating the community in the top 10 things to look forward to in classic, and then post release he says its one of the worst things about classic?
It's true. We expected it to be great and it's cancer
Bald
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Bald indeed
This is what you do, find a corner to hide in near raid entrance, then despell everyone who rolls by XD byebye hours of buffs!
I finally got my girlfriend to play classic and she went into wailing caverns and was told to kill herself by 3 out of the 4 people in the dungeon.
'the community is the best part of classic wow"
I joined Classic Wow for the community. I left due to the Community.
guys come on, wow feels like heaven compared to the toxicity in league :D
Very true!
CAN confirm. I would rather feel the sweaty, BO-laden embrace of Trade Chat then spend another second on Summoner's Rift.
In league u can just mute all or ignore, in wow even if it is toxic pm it yell and tell and gold spammers there too much to ignore and u dont want to switch chat off completely.
I got Rivendare's Deathcharger, I really lucked out and got it on a random leveling run of Strath.
I played at release till the end of BC, my guild was a super-chill and fun and also somewhat competitive. I still remember our guild master and vice master so wasted and drunk that they took best enchanting mats in our guild banks which we gathered for AQ40 enchanted their lvl 1 daggers and gears then dueled at front of Ironforge. Drunk, RPing, yelling, but couldn't line up and hit each other because they were randomly circling around. (dwarf priest and gnome mage) people watching was laughing their ass off while class leaders betting which one get the first hit or not.
Even with this bullshits, pure dps-hunger lineups, pom-pyro pulls and causing faction wars in every goddamn raid because our rogue class leader couldn't hold himself and gank horde guildmaster in front of raidzones. We got first C'thun clear in our server. Never used world buff meta because we're too lazy for it.
Downside was, i played nearly all available mmo-mmorpgs but couldn't get hooked any guild or clan because of my past experiences. What a beautiful days they were.
Kushinada Kai
If you don't play WoW, this is beyond word salad, it's just absolute nonsense.
Finally a good video after surfing youtube for a while
Then just go watch the actual video unless u just like watching heaux moe soy boys
@@JGriffin5150 What?
@Rick H Oh, you watched Memeology’s vid too?
@j bo "You would understand if were intelligent" 10/10
asmon's pvp ego is unchecked. best gladiator NA
As soon as I saw Madseason made a new video, I thought “Omg I Hope Asmongold reacts to this.” Lol
Even these videos are nostalgic now. Good times 🙂
you never wasted you time if you had fun. you only get talked into wanting more from the outside, like comments from family or firends that you should want more. but they are all just chasing a blueprint of a live that somebody said is desirable and no one asks: why if im happy with what i do right now?
ofcourse the smallest dog barks the loudest
its always the guy who spends the most time dead who talks the most
Asmongold keeping me in Classic for sure after rattling off all the shit for retail again, lol. My classic guild requires zero buffs for raiding. They request we bring our own pots and elixirs if we're capable of doing so, but no flasks required either. We do our class buffs when we get in the raid and taadaa, you're ready to roll. Since we all want to do well, and want the guild to progress well, we do what we can to bring appropriate consumes and to get world buffs if we're able, but that's individual above-and-beyond effort.
I really wished someone in asmon's raids would ninja loot any of the items he desires the most, then we'd see how similar to those who wish death upon ninja looters he is even tho he makes it sound as he wouldn't be
He may not personally do that cringe shit, but if you take his Twitch viewers into account...
i always laugh at those guys who get mad someone need rolled on some shitty blue item in a dungeon
I get mad over white items. You have a problem?
@@fourthauglyn3504 yeah, ninja looting is bad even in classic. I would have no problem with class restrictions or personal loot
I feel like this is either a US problem, or big-server problem. I've been playing classic since launch on a EU PvP-server. I don't think I've ever had an argument with anyone tbh. There are some idiots I guess, but I just ignore them.
I have a lot of friends on the server, our guilds work together and help eachother. I don't know if its cuz im officer in one of the best guilds on the server, if Im getting special treatment. But when people talk about the toxic envoirment of classic, I have no idea what they're talking about tbh.
EU is just as bad.
I think toxic people are drawn to other toxic people. if you are nice and not a toxic player, you wont have any arguments
I think they should have made raid bosses harder in classic, and maybe added some different mechanics. I know people would say, "then it wouldn't be classic", but in vanilla, when people knew nothing... The raids were hard. Now that everyone knows everything, they should have made raids harder to compensate in order to better replicate the vanilla experience.
Personal loot is much better in Blizzards eyes than people getting mad and death threats over fake video game items.
That whole theory that anyone who talks about being "good" or "tough", isn't actually good or tough, is fundamentally flawed. There are just as many people that suck and are quiet, and just as many people that are loud mouthed and good. The theory sounds good on paper but it's a fairy-tale stereotype that people choose to believe because it brings a sense of justice and security to people that get wrecked by someone that's both loud, and good. Or maybe because it lends some legitimacy to the quiet ones being good by default. Who knows. Either way, it's wishful thinking by anyone who thinks it's that simple.
I totally agree. It's just how ego works.
The distinction is between trash talk to throw someone off they're game and actively being toxic BECAUSE you lost. We've all gotten angry because some weird shit happened that made us lose where we would have won and it's not an issue if you say something. The problem is thinking ALL losses are just luck and not trying to understand what you could have done better. If someone beats me and talks shit about how much I suck, there's not really much of an argument I can make against that besides beating them. If someone is saying I suck and they've never beaten me, they're just being toxic because the can't take an L. World of difference.
@@lydellb You're talking about something completely unrelated to what my comment was about.
the PvP salt reminds me of a guy me & my brother used to play PvP with in guild wars 2. he blocked so many people in game that he'd frequently complain about how he ran out of space on his block list.
Asmon: I got the drip
Me: haha silly bald man you can't have the-
Asmon: 7:13
Sad thing is that classic is so much better than retail even with all these problems 😥
Actually it ain’t lol. The streamers are currently keeping that shit alive.
@@robertAnthonyColon classic brought back so many friends of mine to wow, but 0 of them stayed past lvl 30-40
@@preds43 The class balance may be far worse than retail but the class design is so much better, class design in retail is probably the worst of all time. Some community is better than no community in retail. The endgame in retail is just awful with all the worthless grinding of garbage you have to do for no reason which is why most peoples endgame in retail is farming cosmetics.
@@FreezyPenguin I don't know how anyone can say with a straight face that class design is better in classic when one button rotations exists.
Shape430 I’m sure it did, classic is full of kids. How many adults you think actually watch classic streamers that have dumb face emotes and do literally content anyone can do and get cheers for it?
I got the charger back in actual vanilla. My guildies helped me run that place so much, that when we weren’t raiding, we were running that damned dungeon. Fond memories....
I helped my hunter friend get his cloak from baron. We started in nostalrius, moved to elysium, then rerolled on lights hope while running strat atleast once a day. Then classic came out.
I saw 5 mounts before we finally got his cloak in classic after BWL released….
I wish I was making this shit up.
Oh and of course I didn’t win a single one of the mounts…..
Asmongold "classic wow pvp is fkn easy"
Also Asmongold "proceeded to lose almost every duel"
Love him
I too had that same headset, but instead of holding the broken piece like I was talking on a cordless phone from the 90's, I wore a beanie, and tucked the earpiece under the flap, securing it snugly to my ear until the next holiday/ birthday when I could ask for a new one lmao.
I don't know where people get this idea that world buffs make WoW Classic easier. Just about *any* mechanic that will 1 shot you for not paying attention will still 1 shot you with world buffs. World buffs make *some* mechanics more forgiving, very few, and apart from that it just makes raids faster. That's it. But I do hate them and can't wait to not have to worry about them at all anymore in BC.
My good friend in Classic refused to abide by the PVP tier bureaucracy created on our server because he just wanted to play PVP the way he wanted and just live guild-less. As he started to get closer and closer to GM, things eventually escalated after word got around that he was epileptic. People would rapidly move their characters around him once they got in a BG and try to FORCE HIM TO HAVE A SEIZURE. When he told me, I’ve never been so mad in my entire life.
The reason the Classic WoW community is worse than the retail one is because nobody is invested in retail lol.
@Todd Lerfahndler you said it best
Pretty sure there a lot of people invested in retail.
Wtf? Have you not heard of mythic raiding?
@@ChinnuWoW mithyc raiding???? Whats that 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@sadfasdfasdfasdfasdf16 the same way you invested in coming up with an username for your profile
We’re living in a time warp and all the teenagers are coming out to play this game
An rpg, be it mmo or not, is inheritely a singleplayer experience because you only play for the advancement of your character, you don't really pay 15 bucks a month to help Billy with his Dead Mines run.
That's only true if you look at what is a single player experience through an insanely narrow lense
Yea that statement is way too oversimplified to hold water imo
the retail community consists of logging in, queing for a dungeon/lfr, joining, healers sucking, or vis versa, tank sucking, causing argumetns, causing shit talking, causing quitters lol
A typical smash player will still rage when they lose. It dont stop at 10, some of the most creative insults I've heard were from playing smash w college buddies
Will they do TBC expansion for Classic too? :) If I should try Classic to get prepared :)
Asmomgold - "I never used the N word back then"
i like how he lists all these requierements for retail raiding making it sound like its a lot but it literally sums up as ''just play the game and youre good''
Yea for the most part, like play the game since the start like any rpg and you are good, what is annoying for me it is alt unfriendly but exept that.
Its realy just play the game, i dont think any other rpg have an easy way to catch up if you made it late ...
This one time when I died with about 0.01 seconds left in WSG, I went full screaming turbo-nerd and hit my push-to-talk button on accident...out of habit. That was embarrassing.
5:35 Wouldn't people abuse this system simply because they thought you were bad or for whatever other reason?
i block after msging people, not because i'm fragile, but because most people want the last say or feel the need to respond and it riles them up so good xD
Im happy I never really run into these types of players. Seen very few, idk, is there a difference between regions/servers maybe?
Everyone should get their own personal loot and then maybe a couple pieces that can be handed out . Sharing 3-4 items for an entire raid is just ridiculous.
There is a simple fix. Disable the world buff while in dungeons and raids.
The worse thing about classic is trying to get back into it once they have released further raids than MC and Onyxia. Gotta grit your teeth to catchup while 60s gank you for the fuck of it in every zones from lv30 upwards and most of the community on your own faction is either already 60 not giving af about lower lvls and/or min maxing their leveling to 60. The worse thing about Classic, is that it's an horrid experience for new players and a meatgrinder for those who know what they're doing but have to catch up.
90% of the toxicity from the community comes from the private server scene.
I will die on this hill.
I felt this back in the day. Sitting with my rogue in AV Ambushing low health people in the back of the fight and vanishing.. Got so many hate mails and people on level ones cussing me out lol good days.
I don't know what community yall are talking about.. 99.9999% of everyone I have interacted with in classic was a mature adult.
You were lucky, I'm happy for you!
I'm a big pvper and I have been in two drama guild (was fun though)
still malding
Loool, the guy who ninjaed Edgemasters almost deserved it.... Why the hell would a group ever agree to GREED an item of high value? o.O In general, why greed if it is an item everyone is going to sell anyways? If nobody is going to ninja the item, then it dosn't matter if all greed or need. BUT, humans are assholes, so why ever take the chance and greed?! You'd only set yourself up for loss and failure.
Blizz just nuked Arugal for Aussies and Kiwi's
The queue hurts my soul
Kiwi's? Lol
I remember a dude was going off at me and as soon as he was done I just said "that sucks."
u wanna know whats toxic ? like full experience?
20 minutes of RUST.
Thank me later.
I don't even play WoW, but madseason's intro is so nostalgic anyways lol
Damn man. Sometimes I think my life is sad but I realize I aint never msged no one like these people..smh
Asmon is looking so healthy and happy these days!! Looks like that long break was just what he needed
2:35 So... MMO RPG doesn't stand for "Many Men's Online Role Playing Girls"?
tbc had world buffs too but they were way less powerful than in classic you can rather see them as a cherry on top of your consumables rather than a 50 to 60% performance increase as is the case for some classes in classic.
Lets hope new day new Asmon with more of a nuanced approach to topics xD
WoW Retail is just as Toxic as Classic just WoW in general
The reason you don't see this happen in BFA is because classic has a toxic community, but BFA doesn't even have a community lulw
"classic wow is easy" yeh try playing feral in pvp
I think it's time for a set of burner accounts for 1 thing only: throwing raids so the super nerds break their shit.
Don't forget the people who spend all day trying to dispel the world buffs of others, naked corpse hopping to the enemy faction's inn as a priest just to dispel a tank, or grouping up at a flight path or somewhere else just to dispel. Two sides of the same shit coin.
Nowadays I’ve come to terms that I’m shit at PvP so I just always say gg and fuck off to whatever I was gonna do next
Had a paladin who disliked me for reasons he never bothered to share send his girlfriend into a dungeon i was tanking to sabotage the run and blame it on my tanking skills, she blurted it out in anger at the end.
Last night on Darkspear a resto shaman got lambasted by a ret pally for asking for help on a rare, was told to just solo it.
The gamer community just ain't shit anymore.
Edit: Talking about retail, not any better than classic at all in my experience.
I feel like I'm being gas-lit. I truly haven't experienced any of this playing on the classic servers. The world Buffs thing was true but everything else was false. I found groups to be very welcoming and even if I did something wrong, they would take time to explain it unlike on retail where they would just kick me. Maybe it's just my experience. I heard PVP servers and servers with very high population are more toxic.
I made this friend two days ago, we were questing in elwynn and I asked what country he was from as his character name seemed foreign, he said Italy, and I replied with well you have good English then he says something I forgot and then he said I’m high, I replied with what on and he said weed, this guy was chilling on classic wow whilst stoned
Speed running molten core and thinking you’re good is like beating Olympic swimmers in a race in a hot tub
Wasn't that bad back in the day from 2004-2008 when i played