Here's hoping he lives long enough to someday get around to actually discussing the actual evidence in the case instead of just ranting vaguely about Big Brother is out to get us all...
@@KennethPoole-y7z That's right, I'm "lying," funny how I only get accused of that by crackpots who summarily dismiss all the evidence and the witnesses and just make up whatever stories they like regarding this case without evidence so long as it suits their "theories." I've explained to you at length elsewhere the single bullet theory makes perfect sense and is backed up by hard and demonstrable evidence, do I really have to list it all over for you yet again?
If he's "one of the best researchers" why doesn't he ever get around to discussing the actual EVIDENCE and why does he take that demonstrable and notorious serial liar Roger Craig seriously? Just wondering.
@@KennethPoole-y7z Typical conspiracy theorist: ignores what I was actually saying and just summarily dismisses it with "absurd comment" without making the slightest attempt to actually address a word of it like that settles the matter.
@@aaronz7056 Ahhhhh z going about it the wrong way again?? Typical huh If you’re so focused on actual EVIDENCE,why is your approach always to discredit people rather than debate the facts? Roger Craig might be controversial to you, but brushing off anyone with differing views doesn’t prove anything either. It’s clear you prefer attacking researchers rather than addressing the contradictions in the 'hard evidence' you keep mentioning. Just wondering why that is."
@@athanXanthis Roger Craig is not "controversial to me," he was a DEMONSTRABLE serial liar who couldn't even keep his own stories straight. I don't "brush off anyone with differing views," I ask questions of and pose direct challenges to provide evidence for their claims of guys like you who consistently refuse to do so, and who just take it for granted at every turn that all the evidence is faked, all the witnesses are lying, and all the investigators are conspirators. Like you do.
The thing about the Rambler, is that Rodger Craig wasn't alone. 3 other witnesses said the same, and Craig said that in the office when Oswald was being interrogated they mentioned the rambler to him and Oswald blurted out "That's Ruth Paine's car. Don't drag her into this." That is one of the few comments Oswald reportedly said while inside the Police Department. He corroborates Rodger Craig, and he defends Ruth Paine! Which is so bizarre. Because the Paine's threw him under the bus from the very first minute the police visited their garage.
How many times do I have to post this challenge to you: call a press conference tomorrow morning, present your ironclad evidence this poor lady you keep taking dumps on (and who you keep saying is "gay, maybe") is a conspirator in murder and treason, and don't forget to bolster your credibility by openly challenging her not to sue your butt for slander and libel. Witnesses and evidence clearly demonstrate Oswald's true escape route, by bus, where he was recognized by his ex-landlady, whose testimony you summarily dismiss anyway, and by cab, whose driver firmly ID'd him. Oswald still had the bus transfer on him when arrested. The story of Oswald telling that lying clown Craig the Rambler belonged to Mrs. Paine is flatly contradicted by every other officer present and by Dallas PD and FBI documents clearly demonstrating her car was a Chevrolet.
@@aaronz7056 I should be held responsible for what OSWALD HIMSELF SAID? He said the Rambler that Craig and 3 others saw pick up an Oswald look alike was Ruth Paine's. That wasn't me. Now she could have sued Jack Ruby, I suppose for murdering Oswald before she had the chance to sue Oswald. Hey by the way, speaking of evidence, when are you going to show me and the world the evidence that the 3 foot yellow strips of paint on the South Side of Elm in the Plaza were also painted elsewhere that night, as you claimed? Or did you forget?
@@aaronz7056 The Paine's had 4 cars. One of them was a Citroen. I am not the one who confiscated the Porn films from Ruth Paine's Garage. That was Bill Decker. And Michael Paine made it very clear, they were NOT HIS.
@@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc You are just completely sick, you know that? I just explained about the Rambler story, and you completely ignored me and just sat there repeating the same story. I have explained to you multiple times about the paint on the streets and you've ignored me every time, now absurdly sit there asking me if I "forgot" about the paint on the streets...
Robert Groden's record: - gave his middle finger to the family of a decorated police officer slain in the line of duty as he opined away without evidence the man was a conspirator so long as it suited his crackpot "theories" - screens Zapruder's film with a phony soundtrack full of bogus gunshots dubbed over it he never once tells the audience he's grifting is a fake - rotates autopsy photos to suit his agenda - acknowledges the 3 tramps were ID'd and cleared, then alter refers to the "so-called tramps!" - volunteered his services at the O.J. Simpson civil trial as a photo expert (to prove O.J. was framed by a conspiracy, natch), and ended up completely discredited and humiliated on the stand - conducts bus tours through Dealey Plaza with gunshots playing over the speakers....
Robert Groden's record: a) screens Zapruder's film with a phony soundtrack full of bogus gunshots over it he never once tells his audience is a fake b) gave his middle finger to the family of a decorated police officer who lost his life in the cause of his duty as he opines away without evidence the man was a conspirator so long as it suits his crackpot "theories," to hell with the pain his despicable words cause them c) rotates autopsy photos to suit his agenda d) acknowledges the 3 tramps were ID'd and cleared, then later refers to the "so-called tramps!" e) volunteered his services at the O.J. Simpson civil trial to prove O.J. was framed by a conspiracy and ended up discredited and sitting on the stand looking like a complete fool f) stages bus tours through Dealey Plaza with gunshots playing over the speakers.... Yes, what a hero.
Robert Groden's record - packs his books with lies - screens Zapruder's film with a phony soundtrack full of gunshots he never once tells the audience he's grifting is a fake - gives his middle finger to the family of a decorated police officer slain in the line of duty as he opines without evidence the man was a conspirator so long as it suits his crackpot "theories" - volunteered his services at the O.J. Simpson civil trial to prove O.J. was framed by a conspiracy (natch) and ended up completely discredited and sitting on the stand looking like a complete fool - conducts bus tours through Dealey Plaza with gunshots playing over the speakers...
Robert Groden's record: a) screens Zapruder's film at lectures with a phony soundtrack full of gunshots slapped over it he never once tells the audience he's ripping off is a fake b) rotates autopsy photos to suit his agenda c) lies about slugs being found in the plaza grass d) gives his middle finger to the family of a decorated police officer who lost his life in the cause of his duty as he opines away without evidence the man was a conspirator so long as it suits his crackpot "theories" e) acknowledges the 3 tramps were ID'd and cleared, later refers to the "so-called tramps!" f) volunteered his services at the O.J. Simpson civil trial (to prove O.J. was framed by a conspiracy, of course) and ended up completely discredited and sitting on the stand looking like a total fool g) conducts bus tours through Dealey Plaza with gunshots playing over the speakers....
"Hard work digging up the facts..." He affords credibility to Roger Craig, a disturbed clown whose claims were consistently and flatly contradicted at every turn by every other witness and officer present, by hard evidence, and frequently by himself, as he couldn't even keep his own on-the-record stories straight. Oh, and when is Shaw ever going to get around to actually discussing the EVIDENCE...???
@@KennethPoole-y7z Are you even capable of addressing one word of what I'm actually saying or are you just going to keep quipping "absurd comment" like that settles the matter? lol
In that case when is he ever going to make a video or give a lecture that actually addresses the actual evidence in this case instead of just making endless vague rants about Big Brother being out to get us all?
Thank you so much! I very much enjoy listening to Gary Shaw. I just want to add, on another note, that Mr Morley might do a follow up with Mary Haverstick. I would very much like to know the experts opinions on her new research. Thank you!
@@JeffersonMorley Yes, thank you! In that interview you mentioned that you might continue the conversation re Harvey, Orta and the Cuban plots. There are so many intriguing topics that seem like you, the leader of the research community, might weigh in on (your interpretation of QJWIN, Cobb’s JFK speech, Arnold Silver and so on). I hope Haverstick’s research is taken seriously by the community and thank you for taking the time for the interview. I know she gets some details wrong about Tippit etc but there is still so much to consider
1:22:48 There was no brown sack. Oswald was seen by the north loading dock crew walking in that morning with nothing in his hands. His lunch was in his jacket pocket. Wesley Buell Frazier's mother said Oswald had no package/rifle/curtain rods that morning. What happened was Capt. Fritz sat down Frazier and told him he was going to be charged with the murder of JFK. He asked what he had to do to beat the rap. Fritz told him to tell the story of Oswald bringing the rifle to work. Frazier's sister was at the police station shortly after that and backed up her brother to save him from the electric chair. The whole month prior, D.H. Byrd [owner of the book depository] was hiding in Africa pretending to do big game hunting with an old German Nazi pal from South Africa. He had the whole sixth floor floorboards being replaced the whole month of November. Anybody could have carpentried secret compartments for hiding a dozen rifles if they wanted, for hiding before and after the assassination. The book depository function and books were moved over from Dal-Tex in April 1963, once they knew JFK was coming to town. Before that, TSBD had been vacant for several years, previously being a Sexhauer food warehouse.
The floor boards were being covered by 1/4 inch plywood and for no good reason. The actual floor boards were typically 8"x2" boards or sometimes 12"x 2.5" boards, especially as the beams were typical fire resistant ultra thick timbers. I believe the floor covering was a ruse to give William Kelley and crew including Lovelady an excuse for being up there. Buell Wesley Frazier and his sister both were confabulating liars.
Jackieow, have you ever noticed in some of the photographs of inside the TSBD, that some of the boxes have " Spencers Gifts" on them, instead of " Books"? There are also wooden crates turned on their side on the 6th floor. The TSBD building also served as The Rock Island Plow Company, once upon a time. Byrd knew Oswald from the Civil Air Patrol. Im also wondering why Oswald never learned to drive.....🤔 Also, Mark Groubert on AUS, said that Frazier used to work at a curtain rod factory, prior to the TSBD.
I first saw Mr Shaw on Alternative Views years ago. It amazed me on what he had written in 1975 had taken so long to become mainstream. I remembered thinking, how could he have known all that back then? Such an enjoyable man to listen to.
Thank you for sharing this on You-Tube. Loved listening to this on your weekly podcast. Following J Gary Shaw forever. He is one of the great JFK researchers. He is also very good at telling a story and he is interesting, easy to follow and easy listening. Well done.
@@LBNLDC1 Roger Craig's claims were consistently and flatly contradicted by every other officer and witness present, by hard evidence, and frequently, by himself, as he couldn't even keep his own on-the-record stories straight... and Shaw just grants him uncritical credibility... and, presumably, so do you.
@@aaronz7056 Methinks the lady doth protest too much. I look at who is attacking Mr Craig and his credibility and ask myself why they are doing it. They seem like folks who have a vested interest in promoting and protecting the lone gunman fairy tale. People like you. Weitzman and Boone originally agreed in a signed affidavit with Craig that the rifle found on the Sixth Floor was a 7.65 Mauser. Their subsequent retractions were obviously the result of being threatened by their superiors. Just like Dr Malcolm Perry's retraction about the entrance wound in the front of Kennedy's neck. Perry was afraid for his life and moved his family far away from Dallas after that. There were citizens in Dealey Plaza who saw a man fitting Oswald's description climb into a car on Elm Street.
@@aaronz7056 Roger Craig's claims were corroborated in detail in a sworn affidavit from Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman. Weitzman retracted it later after being threatened.
Yes, I'd like to see him make a video where he explains why he's so ill-informed on this case he seriously thinks a long-discredited serial liar like Roger Craig is a credible source of information.
44:13 Roscoe had the photographic materials because he made them. He was famous in his family for having photos all over the house of different people's head on other people's bodies, done for jokes. He did all the handicrafting himself.
One day you are actually going to post a single line that's not a demonstrable and shameless lie you are pulling out of thin air and I for one will be astonished.
@@aaronz7056 One day z,you might actually post a single line that's not a shameless lie pulled out of thin air and actually provide clear (non cherry picked and non selective points that explain your EVIDENCE) without being dismissive and insulting when another point dosnt fit your narrow argument.I, for one, will be absolutely astonished. But let’s be real-your track record shows you’re a master at regurgitating nonsense and hurling baseless accusations hey?It’s almost impressive how consistently you miss the mark. Maybe if you spent less time flinging insults and more time actually researching, you'd have a shred of credibility. But hey, looking in the mirror might be a good place to start am I right z🤣
@@athanXanthis Your obsessive harassment of me is beyond hilarious, you once again summarily dismiss all credible, demonstrable and documented evidence out of hand and take it for granted every witness was lying, all the evidence is faked, and all the investigators are lying. I have flung no "insult," I have called out a demonstrable serial liar here who, among other things, happily accuses people without evidence of being conspirators and who lectures that "at least 30 shots were fired" during the assassination. Presumably you agree with that then?
@@aaronz7056 "Oh boo hoo z you cant be serious right?seriously? You’re really pulling the harassment card now after months of you harassing people with your narrow-minded nonsense?😂You've been at this for ages, jumping on anyone who doesn’t buy into your weak theories, and now that you’re out of stuff to say, you try to flip the script? It's beyond pathetic. I’ve addressed your points over and over, but you’re just too stubborn to actually listen. You’re the one who’s been dodging reality, and now you’ve run out of things to throw at me. It’s obvious you’ve got nothing left, and this is just another desperate attempt to avoid admitting it. Honestly thought you were better than this bro this weak as shit🤣
Mr. Morley, love your work and research. We know that James Jesus Angleton's mother was Mexican. I have read parts of The Ghost however do not own the book and have not read it completely. My two questions are, do you think that J.J.A. was ashamed that his mother was Mexican! My next question is do you think he was in cahoots with Harold Philby? It is hard for me to believe that they were best friends and colleagues and that J.J.A. had no clue that he was a Russian Spy. If he didn't know then he was the most inept counter intelligence supervisor in history. If he did know then he should of been tried for treason. His "wilderness of mirrors" comment means that he should of looked in the mirror when he was looking for the C.I.A. mole which destroyed countless C.I.A. careers. I was never a fan of William King Harvey however I read somewhere that King was the only one who had Harold Philby figured out but no one would listen. Would appreciate your feedback. Thank You.
I saw a photograph (many years ago- I wish I remembered where) taken of the parking lot behind the fence on the knoll just minutes after the gun fire. In this photo, there’s a man with dark hair standing by himself - looking at the camera. This man is wearing a police uniform - he wasn’t wearing a hat and from the photo, it looked like he was wearing “shooters glasses.” This man didn’t look as though he was searching for perpetrators. But, there appeared to be a definite yellow tint eyewear on him - perceived to me to be shooters glasses
That certainly outweighs all the credible medical, forensic, ballistic, film and eyewitness evidence clearly demonstrating the shots all came from the sixth floor window, and from Oswald's rifle.
All credible medical, forensic, ballistic, eyewitness and film evidence demonstrate the shots all came from the sixth floor window, and from Oswald's rifle, and it's utterly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions.
@@aaronz7056 it wasn’t a photo of someone firing a gun - the photo was taken in the parking lot after all the shots were fired. I wish I could remember where I saw this photo. Evidence shows a shot from the front with a frangible bullet. Lucien Sarti was known to use that type of ammunition and E. Howard Hunt says confessed that there was a French gunman on the knoll. The photo that I saw looked an awful lot like Lucien Sarti. You should investigate further instead of just dismissing it like a government shill
I "should investigate further" where, exactly, at crackpot conspiracy sites or in the works of demonstrable grifters? No, buddy, here is what the evidence actually shows: a) ALL bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's Carcano. b) Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film, 1-2 frames apart, clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo, from behind. c) View of the entry wound on Connally's back would demonstrably have been blocked by Kennedy's body, meaning the same bullet has to have gone through both of them. d) Victims' wounds demonstrably line up on a trajectory and track straight back to the sixth floor window. e) Bullet recovered from the stretcher is badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side. f) That condition is consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate. g) Kennedy is very clearly seen to suffer a massive exit wound exploding at the right temple consistent only with a shot from behind. h) Connally's said the shots came from behind. i) Autopsy shows the shots came from behind. j) Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos. k) Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead. l) Those witnesses had a clear view behind the knoll fence and would plainly have seen any gunman there. m) Zapruder's secretary was only yards away from the fence and heard and saw nobody there. n) It's beyond implausible anybody would ever assume they would successfully frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions with different guns and bullets.
Fascinating...did not know about Mr. Shaw and his research! I would love to know what he or anyone else for that matter thinks about the bullet fragments remaining in John Conolly. If they are ever retrieved many questions may be answered. Conolly's story seems to be lost to history now almost no one mentions it.
Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo from behind. Victims' wounds demonstrably line up on a trajectory and track straight back to the sixth floor window. View of the entry wound on Connally's back would have been demonstrably blocked by Kennedys' body, meaning the same bullet has to have gone through both of them. Witnesses directly under the window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead. Bullet recovered from the stretcher is badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side, a condition consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate. In short, they were both hit and run through by the same bullet.
33:55 Even if there is a French Connection is isn't necessarily of great significance. We know from Dan Marvin that the Boston Mob was invited to play a part in Dealey Plaza, and they responded, "No thanks, we have no beef with the Kennedys." Once the axis of Lansdale, Phillips, CIA, Joint Chiefs, LBJ etc. got things going, they had a use for Cuban exiles and mafiosi to be on hand and put forward as culpable in case the Oswald gambit failed. They toyed with setting up Jimmy Hoffa as a standby culpable possibility. Ditto for Richard Case Nagell and Larry Crafard. Inviting anti-communist French associates was almost a professional courtesy, and they would have felt snubbed had they not been invited to the party. Soutere as an expert marksman was perhaps detailed to the Cabana Hotel along Stemmons, to back up Morgan Brown whether Brown realized he was there or not. All of Dealey Plaza was backup to Al Carone failing to pick off JFK at Love Field.
@@aaronz7056 : What? You're saying Jackieow is just making stuff up out of whole cloth? Or that your reading doesn't reach so deep? Back up your "rubbish" assertion. Not saying I know one way or the other. But I'm not believing your dis-recommendation just because you call it rubbish. Disprove it if you know better. Show us.
@@rogerscottcathey How about first she provides a shred of evidence for any of her claims, which is more than she ever does. This is the same person who firmly asserts "at least 30 shots" were fired during the assassination and has refused to back it up with proof when challenged. Give me a break with that hilarious response of yours.
@@aaronz7056 : Just be specific and try and refrain from insults. Trying to have an intelligent adult conversation here. In the post she made I didn't see anything about "thirty shots". What it is to which you object. Broad blanket disdain doesn't help.
Great broadcast. I actually found & bought a signed copy of Cover-Up. It should be here Monday of next week. I'm pretty psyched about it since Gary Shaw is one of the greatest researchers & a great man too...
In that case why oh why does he crank out interview after interview going on about some vague deep state and sinister Big Brother figures and never, ever getting around to addressing the actual EVIDENCE in these murders???
I was an 8 year old little girl in Lancaster, England and my Dad hit the arm of his chair really hard and said ‘ They’ve bloody well murdered him, the best chance theyll ever have to get the country straight, that says it all’, I didn’t often see my Dad angry but boy he blew. In his opinion the fact the what was supposed to be his security were riding behind in a car with their fancy suits on, they must have been tired. They let him down.
my father a ww2 veteran made a remark that I can visualize today much like you. I was 12 just home after be released from school early. My father walked in a little bit in shock with a serious look on his face. He had closed his job down and sent the crew home after hearing the report of JFK death. in the living room I was sitting with my mom with tv on and listening to the conversation. MY father a kennedy aupporter I guess smelled a rat and remarked We ( the united staes) do not transfer power by killing our president. WE don't do things this way! my dad had it right he had felt it was a coup. this was FRIDAY afternoon. SUNDAY morning me and my brother were watching the transfer of lee Harvey oswald at Dallas headquarters and RUBY got oswald as he entered the basement . I told my brother wake up mom &dad they might want to see this .
1:20:54 Taking a man down could mean shutting down the soldier Gordon Arnold (headed for Alaska the next day) who got his film confiscated. The soldier who said the cop had no hat on.
Gordon Arnold could never prove he was there, he kept changing his story, and oddly enough not one single witness ever said a word about seeing a soldier being robbed of his camera on the knoll by a crying policeman.
Arnold could never prove he was present, changed his stories, and strangely enough not one witness ever mentioned seeing a soldier on the knoll being robbed at gunpoint by any cop...
I’m not so sure about Gordon Arnold…. there were tons of photos and videos taken that day and I don’t see anyone wearing that uniform… just like Beverly Oliver, I think she’s full of it. I put my money on the “babushka lady” being either Mrs Zapruder or one of the ladies from Zapruder’s office….
@@AnthonyAnthony-tk4ye When you consider that he is just to be made out in the badge-man photo after great enlargement it is not surprising. Besides secret service took away lots of film. I beleive Oliver, can understand why she would wrap up with a scarf, try to look less glamourous, the legs look like hers. Seems that Posner was wrong about her camera, she was able to get a pre-official release one.
No, I don't love John. He's dead. I didn't love when he was alive. I didn't promote him either because he was factually mistaken on a lot of key points and he often acted like a jerk. I didn't ban him from the site (as many people urged) because I believe in the widest possible discourse gets the best results. And I don't quote him "very often." In fact, I can't remember the last time I quoted him. Can you?
Thank you for this wonderful post. I respect Mr. Shaw greatly and have lost count how many times I have listened to his insightful interviews on Alternative Views. I would appreciate clarification on a point if possible. Roger Craig, whose credibility is, in my opinion, sterling, either saw Oswald or an Oswald look-alike get into a light green Nash Rambler station wagon. Three other witnesses corroborate this. Oswald allegedly became defensive when Craig later asked him about this at the police station, to which he responded to the effect, "Don't drag Mrs. Paine into this." Did Ruth Paine own a 1962 Nash Rambler station wagon? I've only been able to find documentation that she owned a brown '55 Chevy station wagon driven to New Orleans that summer to pick up Marina.
I've heard this argument many times. Logic: effective, gov protected crime groups don't locally register "company vehicles" to be used while blowing away someone in public.
Roger Craig's claims: a) He was with Deputy Mooney when they discovered the sniper nest. Flatly contradicted by Craig's own WC testimony. b) He saw 3 shells lined up in a neat row (implausibly) in the sniper nest. Flatly contradicted by officers who actually discovered the nest and the scattered shells. c) He saw the recovered rifle was a Mauser. Flatly contradicted by other officers (cops freely admitted to initially misidentifying the unfamiliar Carcano at first, big deal), by news film, and by Craig himself, in his 1968 interview where he assures the L.A. Free Press he couldn't ID the gun because he "didn't know foreign rifles." d) He saw it was only six past one when he heard Tippit had been shot. Flatly contradicted by other witnesses, evidence, and by Craig himself in his 1968 interview. e) He saw a slug recovered from the plaza grass. Flatly contradicted by every other officer and witness present, and by Craig's own WC testimony. f) He saw Oswald flee the plaza in a Rambler. Flatly contradicted by other witnesses and evidence clearly demonstrating Oswald's true escape route, by bus, where he was ID'd by his ex-landlady, and by cab, whose driver firmly ID'd him. Oswald still had the bus transfer on him when arrested. The idea Oswald had a chauffer driven ride waiting outside the Depository to carry him away through the chaos and gridlock of the streets is ludicrous. g) Oswald told him in Captain Fritz's office the Rambler belonged to Ruth Paine. Flatly contradicted by every other officer present and by Dallas PD and FBI documents showing Mrs. Paine's car was a Chevrolet. h) His WC testimony was changed. His reported testimony is consistent with his original interviews. i) There were attempts on his life to silence him. No supporting evidence exists nor is there any explanation of why it would be necessary to "silence" this clown (12 years later, no less), when his credibility would have been shredded on the stand by any competent lawyer.
@@jonhenson5450 Thank you. I have said nothing inaccurate. But, of course, everybody else was lying and this guy who couldn't even keep his own on-the-record stories straight is the only one telling the truth...
41:27 Roscoe White was inserted into the Dallas Police in Sept. 1963. Back in 1957 Roscoe and Hungarian Oswald had studied at the School of Illusionary Warfare near Nag's Head NC how to do operations while pretending to be commies, to cast blame in false flag exercises. Both were on the same boat to Atsugi but Roscoe continued on to the Philippines. In early 1963 Roscoe and Hungarian Oswald worked side by side at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall in Dallas making phony photographs and ID materials used later, like Oswald's bogus wallet materials and the pictures of him holding rifle and gun and Militant and Daily Worker with Oswald's head on Roscoe's chin and body. Evidently they didn't know that the Socialist Worker's Party and the Communist Party were intense rivals, and practically nobody but a government agent would subscribe to both papers at the same time, or else be thrown out of this or that organization as a traitor to the wrong branch of communism by the other branch of communism. Roscoe was assigned to live across the street from J.D. Tippit and make sure his errand running was done and that he kept being a patsy ready to be sacrificed on Nov. 22 as the reason for cops to swarm from Dealey Plaza to Oak Cliff.
@@brianambrosemcmahon8531 This is the same jackieow who has called me an idiot for not agreeing there were at least "30" shots fired during the assassination.
Things got interesting at the mention of a green Rambler ; a little odd at the photo of Mrs. Roscoe White; and then just too fantastic at the appearance of the buried cables. $$$
3 of the shooters were Loran Hall, Roger Morales, Jean Renee Soutre, but i don't know the other 3. But there were 6 shooters that fired 11 shots. Doesn't matter how many shots were heard. With 6 assassins popping off and 4 using suppression the sounds are very confusing.
Besides whether anyone actually saw a male who looked like Oswald being picked up on Elm St are we supposed to believe that the plan was for for Oswald to wait inside the most important crime scene in history for 15 minutes and then for a car to just wait on Elm Street for Oswald to run out and get in the car. Most people would have expected the police to have closed elm street so no one would plan to pick any one up from there.
Thanks for the reply but this still does not answer if it came from Oswald's gun. Connolly himself thought for a time there was more than 1 shooter. I believe fragments were taken from his wrist. He change his mind and would not permit further bullet removal even in deaht.
All bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle. Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo, from behind. Victims' wounds demonstrably line up on a trajectory and track straight back to the sixth floor window. View of the entry wound on Connally's back would demonstrably have been blocked by Kennedy's body, the same bullet has to have gone through both of them. Bullet recovered from the stretcher was matched to Oswald's rifle. Bullet is badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side. That condition is consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate.
Yes...that acounts for a shot from the rear...kennedy got shot in the front...in the throat....and in the right front of his head...these 2. shots. Were frontal@@aaronz7056
@@aaronz7056 This is balloney. Reactions show they are not hit by same bullet, there is no line-up of trajectory - in fact the trajactory is impossible, bullet is not crushed at the nose - in fact it is in very good condition, no entry wound in back of JFK compatible with sbt - the wound is too low and shallow - could be the bullet on the stretcher, the head shot was a frangible and is different to other bullets which were metal jacket. 1 bullet missed, 1bullet for sbt (which is impossible), 1 bullet still in Connally's leg, a frangible for the head shot = 4 bullets minimum.
@@KennethPoole-y7z Buddy: what the heck did I literally just say above? Besides which: Bullet would have changed course slightly going through Kennedy's body. No doubt you will now explain what DID happen to the bullet supposedly still in Connally's leg, because the doctors sure never found it! It had already fallen out of the shallow leg wound, and before you start, Dr. Shaw at his first press conference was only assuming the bullet was still in Connally's leg. He hadn't examined that wound because he was far more concerned about operating on Connally's far more dangerous chest wounds.
Love Gary ,but I have to disagree with what he said about Oswald on not getting on a bus then a cab. I Believe he did, therefore Oswald look alike got into Rambler
By know means an expert but I have spent a little time looking into (Clarence) William Bishop. He obviously did work for Batistianos in Florida and may have had some knowledge of the assassination but it seems more like he was a chancer with little military experience and not a spook (FWIW). Bud Fensterwald claimed that Bishop and John O'Hare were one in the same, which doesn't seem to bear out (for me) at the minute. Not sure if O'Hare was a spook either but he does seem to have started a feud with John Phillip Nichols of Cabazon notoriety and allegedly tried to get his recruits in Daytona Beach to murder him
Didnt Gordon Arnold the soldier by the fence, say the guy roughed him up when he took his film? That could explain the blood bu the blood on the stairs.
Malcolm Summers was the guy who hit the ground. He said he heard the shots from behind and the police officer was running up towards the fence and he ducked because he thought the officer was going to shoot the guy. More importantly he said he encountered Roscoe White as well. He identified him in a mug book.
White's known movements that day make it highly unlikely he would even have had time to get to the plaza in time for the assassination, and in any case all credible medical, forensic, ballistic, film and eyewitness evidence clearly demonstrates the shots all came from the sixth floor window.
dang "book of the month club" relaunched in 2015 as "Book of the Month" primarily now just fiction. Yes people really don't read non-fiction much anymore. Truth is too strange for people to handle!
if the bus/taxi stories are bogus, then how do you explain the Whaley death? And of course you do realize there were (at least) two oswalds in dallas that day. Two were taken from the Texas Theatre - one out the front for the media and the second out the back from the balcony.
@@janetphillips2875 the two oswalds? No, they were not taken away in the same car. One was taken to the DPD, and later killed by Ruby. The other flew out of Red Bird airport in S Dallas later the day of the assassination.
I'll explain Whaley's death: he collided with an 83-year old driver on a viaduct and they were both killed. Whaley consistently affirmed it was Oswald in his cab and he told him absolutely nothing so he would be far more valuable to any "conspiracy" alive. Needless to say, there was no "second" Oswald, the theater was surrounded by police and witnesses, and if a shoe store clerk hadn't happened to have his radio on, heard the APB on the assassination suspect, noticed Oswald trying to hide from passing police in his store front, and been suspicious enough of him to follow him down the street nobody ever would have realized Oswald was in the theater at all.
Dr. Charles Crenshaw's claims: a) He played a major role in the trauma room. He backed off this, said the publishers of his book were taking liberties, and admitted his role was actually minor, which hardly inspires confidence. b) He was the throat wound was an entrance wound. Crenshaw claimed he arrived at the trauma room at the same time as Dr. McClelland, who testified HE didn't arrive until after the tracheostomy had already obliterated the throat wound's original appearance, meaning Crenshaw could never have seen it before the procedure. c) He saw the back of Kennedy's head had been blown out. Crenshaw's words consistently refer to the "side" of the head. d) He was certain the shots came from the front. Oddly enough, other, more senior doctors are plainly seen at their first press conference speculating wildly about the wounds, unable to conjecture about numbers, trajectories, etc., yet strangely the more junior Crenshaw was "positive." e) Lyndon Johnson called the Parkland Hospital operating room as the dying Oswald was undergoing surgery to demand a confession be extracted from him. Johnson was demonstrably in the East Room of the White House with the Kennedy family from time Oswald was shot to the time he died, and phone records show no call made from the White House to Parkland Hospital during that time. f) Parkland doctors were afraid to talk about the assassination for fear of reprisals. Blatantly not true: those doctors were talking openly and freely about the assassination from the time it happened, often to conspiracy authors. g) An army of police invaded the Texas Theater to arrest a man for not paying admission. The man, Oswald, was a good match for the suspect just seen murdering a police officer nearby.
@@dexculpepper-py1jr No, I just see value in alerting people when they are being misled by lying crackpots so paranoid they assume anybody not on board for this conspiracy idiocy must be a "CIA bot." LOL So we now look forward to you backing up all of Crenshaw's demonstrably false claims above to the hilt, yes?
No, I just see value in alerting people when they are being misled by lying crackpots so paranoid they assume anybody not on board for this conspiracy idiocy must be a "CIA bot." LOL No doubt you will now explain how all of Crenshaw's demonstrably untrue claims above are actually true, yes?
No, I just see value in alerting people when they are being misled by crackpots so paranoid they assume anybody not on board for this "conspiracy" idiocy must be a "CIA bot." lol
America's Untold Stories' record: a) gives the middle finger to the family of a decorated police officer slain in the line of duty as they accuse the man without evidence of being a conspirator so long as it suits their crackpot "theories" b) does the same to Ruth Paine as though just gagging to get sued for slander c) ignores hard evidence in favour of rumbling away about "the Deep State" being out to get us all d) has no qualms about hawking books written by unspeakable monster Alex Jones...
You’ve got to be kidding me. Mark Grobert is entertaining, but he has no idea what he’s talking about. He’s so inaccurate it’s laughable. Especially when he calls himself a researcher. Please don’t put your faith in the things he says. He’s completely wrong on virtually everything. Enjoy the show for entertainment purposes only.
@@George_L-w7o Mark Groubert's despicable record: a) gives his middle finger to J.D. Tippit's family as he accuses the man without evidence of being a conspirator so long as it suits his stupid "theories" b) does the same to Ruth Paine as though just gagging to get himself sued for slander c) ignores and contradicts hard evidence in favour of warning the "Deep State" is out to get us all d) has no qualms about hawking books by that unspeakable monster Alex Jones...
I can’t think of a better psychological case study (likely repeated thousands of times over six decades) of confirmation bias and conspiracy theories, of interpreting info to favor preconceived notions and consistently ignoring facts including actual evidence and advances in forensic science. These guys (or Mark Lane) wouldn’t survive a 15 minute interview with Gerald Posner or James Swanson (or Vincent Bugliosi, RIP). I still feel the loss of JFK, but it doesn’t do him honor to live in Mark Lane land, and keep regurgitating stale theories about more than one assassin, when there are no forensics to support it. I do think there’s reason to believe in a cover up by the CIA and the FBI for their incompetence. They likely screwed up, many others did too, so a cover was logical, and should have been brought to light, so it doesn’t happen again. Amen to that. But that ship has sailed, we’ve learned a lesson at JFK’s expense and 61 years later it’s not realistic for dead people or agencies to come forward and confess to malfeasance. And peddling conspiracy theories about Jack Ruby surely doesn’t help. Sadly, guys (and countless others) have gone down the rabbit hole and never coming back. It would have been a better use of their time volunteering at Children’s hospital. This podcast began with, “This is the only podcast not devoted to the conviction of the ex-President.” For me that was clearly a political tell. I haven’t found people in of a certain politics terribly fussy about facts and reasoning, so it came as no surprise. But, as Dennis Miller used to say, “…of course I could be wrong”.
Oddly they didn't mention there are slight problems with Craig's latter day claims: a) He saw the recovered rifle was a Mauser. Flatly contradicted by other officers (cops freely owned up to initially misidentifying the unfamiliar Carcano at first, big deal), by news film, and by CRAIG HIMSELF, in his 1968 interview where he assures the L.A. Free Press he couldn't ID the gun because he "didn't know foreign rifles." The idea somebody left the wrong kind of rifle, or multiple rifles, lying around the crime scene for an army of cops to find is blatantly idiotic. b) He was with Deputy Mooney when they discovered the sniper nest. Flatly contradicted by Craig's own WC testimony. c) He saw 3 shells lined up in a neat row in the sniper nest. Flatly contradicted by officers who actually discovered the nest. The idea somebody would have lined the shells up in a row in the first place is also blatantly idiotic. d) He saw it was only six past one when he heard Officer Tippit had been shot. Flatly contradicted by other witnesses, evidence, and Craig's own WC testimony. e) He saw a slug recovered from the plaza grass. Flatly contradicted by every other officer and witness presents (Deputy Walthers firmly testified nothing was found) and by Craig's own WC testimony. f) He saw Oswald flee the plaza in a Rambler station wagon. Flatly contradicted by other witnesses and evidence clearly demonstrating Oswald's true escape route, by bus, where he was recognized by his ex-landlady, and by cab, whose driver firmly ID'd him. Oswald still had the bus transfer on him when he was arrested. The idea Oswald had a chauffeur-driven ride waiting outside the Depository to ferry him away through the gridlock and chaos of the parade is blatantly idiotic. g) Oswald told him in Captain Fritz's office the Rambler belonged to Ruth Paine. Flatly contradicted by every other officer present, and by Dallas PD and FBI documents that prove Mrs. Paine's car was a Chevrolet. h) His WC testimony was changed. His testimony in the report is consistent with his original interviews. i) There were attempts on his life to silence him. No supporting evidence exists, nor is there any explanation of why it would be necessary to "silence" this guy (12 years after the assassination, no less) when his credibility would have been shredded on the stand by any competent lawyer.
The "taking a man down" thing . . . would that correlate to Arnold's claim that a guy kicked him after he dove to the ground and took his film? But that was supposedly next to the fence. Notrueflags here RUclipsr thinks that's where Tippit was actually killed. I think that's almost impossible because: what do you do with the body before the cops and crowds run up there? That pool of blood and the issuer of it presents a true time problem. It's also possible the photographer was pulling Coley's leg on purpose. I mean, c'mon! Who's going to taste blood? A cherry soda, yeah. Coley did describe the guy with the rain coat over his arm, and that guy was also caught on film walking away from an officer . . . If it was the same guy
That grifter Arnold could never prove he was present, he changed his story, and not one witness ever said anything about seeing a soldier on the knoll being robbed at gunpoint by any cop.
Gordon Arnold could never prove he was present, changed his story, and oddly not one single witness ever said a word about seeing any soldier being robbed at gunpoint on the knoll by a policeman.
Get over it! The Roscoe White diary is forever gone! You and Ricky can say all you want, but the fact remains you can not prove anything about Roscoe White and the JFK assassination. This is a money grab!
Since, as usual, Shaw just focusses on side issues and digressions and never, ever gets around to discussing the actual EVIDENCE in this case, perhaps one day he would like to address the following: - Oswald showed up unexpectedly and uninvited at the Paine house, where his rifle was kept, Nov. 21 - His estranged wife turned him down for a reconciliation that night. - He hid his wedding ring for her to find later. - Next morning he suddenly possessed a package he hadn't arrived with while his rifle teleported to the Depository. - Oswald owned and smuggled the rifle. - Oswald left his latent print on the rifle. - Oswald lied to police about his whereabouts during the shooting. - Every bullet and fragment ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle. - Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film, 1-2 frames apart, clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo, from behind. - Victims' wounds demonstrably line up on a trajectory and track back to the sixth floor window. - View of the entry wound on Connally's back would demonstrably have been blocked by Kennedy's body, meaning the same bullet has to have gone through both of them. - Bullet recovered from the stretcher is badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side. - That condition is consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate. - Kennedy is very clearly seen to suffer a massive exit wound exploding at the right temple, consistent only with a shot from behind. - Connally's said the shots came from behind. - Autopsy shows the shots came from behind. - Parkland doctors examined the autopsy photos on NOVA and had no particular problem with them. - Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots came from directly overhead. - Those witnesses had a clear view behind the knoll fence and would plainly have seen any gunman there. - Zapruder's secretary was only yards away from the fence and heard and saw nobody there. - It's utterly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions with different guns and bullets. - No unidentified persons were ever seen inside the building. - Oswald was a perfectly plausible match to the shooter seen in the window. - Oswald was the only employee inside the building to immediately flee the crime scene and the plaza. - Oswald took evasive action by cab to sneak back to his rooming house. - Oswald ignored his cab driver when he asked about the commotion in the streets. - Oswald ignored his landlady when she spoke to him. - Oswald decided at the last minute to put a jacket on. - Oswald was ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as shooting Officer Tippit and fleeing. - Framing Oswald for Tippit's shooting would be utterly implausible and unworkable in practice. - Oswald owned and was in possession of the gun the shells were matched to. - Oswald was plainly seen trying to hide in a store front from passing police. - Oswald was plainly seen ducking into a theater to dodge more passing police. - Oswald discarded his jacket, with fibres consistent with his shirt, between the Tippit crime scene and the theater. - Oswald was caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop. - Oswald fought police so violently 3 officers were injured just disarming him. - Oswald observed, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing. - Oswald refused to cooperate with any investigator. - Oswald refused help offered by H. Louis Nichols, President of the Dallas Bar Association. - Oswald was only interested in John Abt, a lawyer he'd never met living in another state, who specialized in left-wing causes. - Oswald acted so smug he even convinced his own brother he was guilty. - Oswald slept like a baby in his cell. - Oswald never attempted to blow any conspiracy to any cop, any member of his family, to Nichols, or to a live TV audience of millions. - Oswald just shrugged a hollow, unsurprised, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?" Or, more likely, he'll once again just summarily ignore all of it and instead just talk about Roscoe White, whose known movements that day make it highly unlikely he even had time to get to the plaza in time for the assassination anyway...
So your response to my wondering if a crackpot conspiracy theorist will just summarily ignore all the evidence I listed is to... summarily dismiss all of the evidence I listed... and without making the slightest attempt to actually address one single word of it. Typical conspiracy theorist, you can set your watch by it.
@@aaronz7056 Wrong way to go about this z time and time again god I sometimes wonder how you get around🤨 It’s amusing to see how you weave together all these claims, thinking they form a solid case. Oswald showing up at the Paine house isn’t evidence of guilt; people visit homes all the time for various reasons. The idea that he hid his wedding ring for his estranged wife to find later? That sounds more like a stretch than a smoking gun. The notion that a package “teleported” to the Depository is just absurd. Packages move around; it doesn’t implicate him in a conspiracy. As for the latent prints on the rifle, that’s not conclusive evidence of ownership, especially given the potential for contamination. You act as if it’s undeniable proof, but it’s far from definitive ffs z🤦🏻♂️ Claiming the victims’ reactions in the Zapruder film pinpoint the shots to a specific angle is another overreach. The chaos of that moment makes it impossible to draw such precise conclusions. And while you assert the wounds align perfectly, you’re oversimplifying a complex scenario with multiple angles. You throw around terms like "evidence" but seem to ignore the complexities involved. Listing these points doesn’t make you an expert; it just shows a narrow viewpoint. Until you start engaging with the deeper nuances of this case instead of reciting your talking points, you’ll just be another voice lost in an echo chamber, clinging to your misconceptions.
You know, it remains hilarious as you continue stalking me around the net like some kind of sicko, watching you consistently and flatly summarily dismissing all the evidence in this case and bursting blood vessels straining so hard to let Oswald off the hook at every turn without making the slightest attempt to offer up any alternate scenario here, to say nothing of your vague and meaningless speculations. That evidence I listed clearly demonstrates what happened.
@@KennethPoole-y7z You know, just summarily dismissing an avalanche of hard, credible, demonstrable and documented evidence like that without making the slightest attempt to actually address one single word of it hardly negates any of it.
Gary , legend.
Gary is the best! I'd love to meet him soon while he's still with us and with it. He's doing amazing for 85!!
Here's hoping he lives long enough to someday get around to actually discussing the actual evidence in the case instead of just ranting vaguely about Big Brother is out to get us all...
@@aaronz7056 Yet another absurd comment.
@@KennethPoole-y7z Yeah, my pointing out he blatantly never gets around to discussing the actual evidence is "absurd..." lol
@@aaronz7056 How about you lying through your teeth about the nose of the magic bullet being badly damaged.
@@KennethPoole-y7z That's right, I'm "lying," funny how I only get accused of that by crackpots who summarily dismiss all the evidence and the witnesses and just make up whatever stories they like regarding this case without evidence so long as it suits their "theories." I've explained to you at length elsewhere the single bullet theory makes perfect sense and is backed up by hard and demonstrable evidence, do I really have to list it all over for you yet again?
Been a huge Gary Shaw fan for decades. One of the best researchers.
If he's "one of the best researchers" why doesn't he ever get around to discussing the actual EVIDENCE and why does he take that demonstrable and notorious serial liar Roger Craig seriously? Just wondering.
@@aaronz7056 Absurd comment.
@@KennethPoole-y7z Typical conspiracy theorist: ignores what I was actually saying and just summarily dismisses it with "absurd comment" without making the slightest attempt to actually address a word of it like that settles the matter.
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Ahhhhh z going about it the wrong way again?? Typical huh
If you’re so focused on actual EVIDENCE,why is your approach always to discredit people rather than debate the facts? Roger Craig might be controversial to you, but brushing off anyone with differing views doesn’t prove anything either. It’s clear you prefer attacking researchers rather than addressing the contradictions in the 'hard evidence' you keep mentioning. Just wondering why that is."
@@athanXanthis Roger Craig is not "controversial to me," he was a DEMONSTRABLE serial liar who couldn't even keep his own stories straight. I don't "brush off anyone with differing views," I ask questions of and pose direct challenges to provide evidence for their claims of guys like you who consistently refuse to do so, and who just take it for granted at every turn that all the evidence is faked, all the witnesses are lying, and all the investigators are conspirators. Like you do.
The thing about the Rambler, is that Rodger Craig wasn't alone. 3 other witnesses said the same, and Craig said that in the office when Oswald was being interrogated they mentioned the rambler to him and Oswald blurted out "That's Ruth Paine's car. Don't drag her into this." That is one of the few comments Oswald reportedly said while inside the Police Department. He corroborates Rodger Craig, and he defends Ruth Paine! Which is so bizarre. Because the Paine's threw him under the bus from the very first minute the police visited their garage.
Ruth is CIA.
How many times do I have to post this challenge to you: call a press conference tomorrow morning, present your ironclad evidence this poor lady you keep taking dumps on (and who you keep saying is "gay, maybe") is a conspirator in murder and treason, and don't forget to bolster your credibility by openly challenging her not to sue your butt for slander and libel.
Witnesses and evidence clearly demonstrate Oswald's true escape route, by bus, where he was recognized by his ex-landlady, whose testimony you summarily dismiss anyway, and by cab, whose driver firmly ID'd him.
Oswald still had the bus transfer on him when arrested.
The story of Oswald telling that lying clown Craig the Rambler belonged to Mrs. Paine is flatly contradicted by every other officer present and by Dallas PD and FBI documents clearly demonstrating her car was a Chevrolet.
@@aaronz7056 I should be held responsible for what OSWALD HIMSELF SAID? He said the Rambler that Craig and 3 others saw pick up an Oswald look alike was Ruth Paine's. That wasn't me. Now she could have sued Jack Ruby, I suppose for murdering Oswald before she had the chance to sue Oswald. Hey by the way, speaking of evidence, when are you going to show me and the world the evidence that the 3 foot yellow strips of paint on the South Side of Elm in the Plaza were also painted elsewhere that night, as you claimed? Or did you forget?
@@aaronz7056 The Paine's had 4 cars. One of them was a Citroen. I am not the one who confiscated the Porn films from Ruth Paine's Garage. That was Bill Decker. And Michael Paine made it very clear, they were NOT HIS.
@@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc You are just completely sick, you know that?
I just explained about the Rambler story, and you completely ignored me and just sat there repeating the same story.
I have explained to you multiple times about the paint on the streets and you've ignored me every time, now absurdly sit there asking me if I "forgot" about the paint on the streets...
I met Gary & his wonderful wife decades ago & really enjoyed talking with them. It’s good to see him still looking sharp and still at his research.
That's so awesome to see Gary Shaw on this RUclips Channel. He's one of the veterans in the JFK Assassination Research Community like Robert Groden.
Robert Groden's record:
- gave his middle finger to the family of a decorated police officer slain in the line of duty as he opined away without evidence the man was a conspirator so long as it suited his crackpot "theories"
- screens Zapruder's film with a phony soundtrack full of bogus gunshots dubbed over it he never once tells the audience he's grifting is a fake
- rotates autopsy photos to suit his agenda
- acknowledges the 3 tramps were ID'd and cleared, then alter refers to the "so-called tramps!"
- volunteered his services at the O.J. Simpson civil trial as a photo expert (to prove O.J. was framed by a conspiracy, natch), and ended up completely discredited and humiliated on the stand
- conducts bus tours through Dealey Plaza with gunshots playing over the speakers....
Robert Groden's record:
a) screens Zapruder's film with a phony soundtrack full of bogus gunshots over it he never once tells his audience is a fake
b) gave his middle finger to the family of a decorated police officer who lost his life in the cause of his duty as he opines away without evidence the man was a conspirator so long as it suits his crackpot "theories," to hell with the pain his despicable words cause them
c) rotates autopsy photos to suit his agenda
d) acknowledges the 3 tramps were ID'd and cleared, then later refers to the "so-called tramps!"
e) volunteered his services at the O.J. Simpson civil trial to prove O.J. was framed by a conspiracy and ended up discredited and sitting on the stand looking like a complete fool
f) stages bus tours through Dealey Plaza with gunshots playing over the speakers....
Yes, what a hero.
Robert Groden's record
- packs his books with lies
- screens Zapruder's film with a phony soundtrack full of gunshots he never once tells the audience he's grifting is a fake
- gives his middle finger to the family of a decorated police officer slain in the line of duty as he opines without evidence the man was a conspirator so long as it suits his crackpot "theories"
- volunteered his services at the O.J. Simpson civil trial to prove O.J. was framed by a conspiracy (natch) and ended up completely discredited and sitting on the stand looking like a complete fool
- conducts bus tours through Dealey Plaza with gunshots playing over the speakers...
Robert Groden's record:
a) screens Zapruder's film at lectures with a phony soundtrack full of gunshots slapped over it he never once tells the audience he's ripping off is a fake
b) rotates autopsy photos to suit his agenda
c) lies about slugs being found in the plaza grass
d) gives his middle finger to the family of a decorated police officer who lost his life in the cause of his duty as he opines away without evidence the man was a conspirator so long as it suits his crackpot "theories"
e) acknowledges the 3 tramps were ID'd and cleared, later refers to the "so-called tramps!"
f) volunteered his services at the O.J. Simpson civil trial (to prove O.J. was framed by a conspiracy, of course) and ended up completely discredited and sitting on the stand looking like a total fool
g) conducts bus tours through Dealey Plaza with gunshots playing over the speakers....
Nice to see Mr. Shaw. I have not seen him in a long time and have wondered what became of him.
Thanks to Mr. Gary Shaw for all his hard work to dig up the facts. God Bless you Sir!
"Hard work digging up the facts..." He affords credibility to Roger Craig, a disturbed clown whose claims were consistently and flatly contradicted at every turn by every other witness and officer present, by hard evidence, and frequently by himself, as he couldn't even keep his own on-the-record stories straight. Oh, and when is Shaw ever going to get around to actually discussing the EVIDENCE...???
@@aaronz7056 Another absurd comment.
@@KennethPoole-y7z Are you even capable of addressing one word of what I'm actually saying or are you just going to keep quipping "absurd comment" like that settles the matter? lol
Mr Shaw is a treasure!! Sadly, the assassination is just fading into history and the perps got away with the perfect crime...as they planned to.
The Perps are still perpetrating, 911, Covid, etc
One of the premier League JFK assassination researchers.
Is that why he takes seriously Roger Craig, a demonstrably serial liar whose credibility was exploded decades ago?
Thank you Gary!
I do have to say that Gary looks pretty good for being in his mid 80's!!!
Thanks so much! I've been on a Gary Shaw kick as of late. He's done so much for JfK research.
In that case when is he ever going to make a video or give a lecture that actually addresses the actual evidence in this case instead of just making endless vague rants about Big Brother being out to get us all?
Thank you so much! I very much enjoy listening to Gary Shaw. I just want to add, on another note, that Mr Morley might do a follow up with Mary Haverstick. I would very much like to know the experts opinions on her new research. Thank you!
These experts are so ill-informed they think Roger Craig has a shred of credibility.
I did have a conversation with Mary Haverstick. Listen to it here: jfkfacts.substack.com/p/jfk-facts-podcast-mary-haverstick
@@JeffersonMorley Yes, thank you! In that interview you mentioned that you might continue the conversation re Harvey, Orta and the Cuban plots. There are so many intriguing topics that seem like you, the leader of the research community, might weigh in on (your interpretation of QJWIN, Cobb’s JFK speech, Arnold Silver and so on). I hope Haverstick’s research is taken seriously by the community and thank you for taking the time for the interview. I know she gets some details wrong about Tippit etc but there is still so much to consider
@@aaronz7056 Of course he has credibility.
1:22:48 There was no brown sack. Oswald was seen by the north loading dock crew walking in that morning with nothing in his hands. His lunch was in his jacket pocket. Wesley Buell Frazier's mother said Oswald had no package/rifle/curtain rods that morning. What happened was Capt. Fritz sat down Frazier and told him he was going to be charged with the murder of JFK. He asked what he had to do to beat the rap. Fritz told him to tell the story of Oswald bringing the rifle to work. Frazier's sister was at the police station shortly after that and backed up her brother to save him from the electric chair.
The whole month prior, D.H. Byrd [owner of the book depository] was hiding in Africa pretending to do big game hunting with an old German Nazi pal from South Africa. He had the whole sixth floor floorboards being replaced the whole month of November. Anybody could have carpentried secret compartments for hiding a dozen rifles if they wanted, for hiding before and after the assassination. The book depository function and books were moved over from Dal-Tex in April 1963, once they knew JFK was coming to town. Before that, TSBD had been vacant for several years, previously being a Sexhauer food warehouse.
The floor boards were being covered by 1/4 inch plywood and for no good reason. The actual floor boards were typically 8"x2" boards or sometimes 12"x 2.5" boards, especially as the beams were typical fire resistant ultra thick timbers. I believe the floor covering was a ruse to give William Kelley and crew including Lovelady an excuse for being up there. Buell Wesley Frazier and his sister both were confabulating liars.
Are you on the JFK Facts Substack page by any chance?
Elmer Boyd holds up a brown bag that looked to be folded like anything but a rifle, even broken down, would be in.
Jackieow, have you ever noticed in some of the photographs of inside the TSBD, that some of the boxes have " Spencers Gifts" on them, instead of " Books"? There are also wooden crates turned on their side on the 6th floor. The TSBD building also served as The Rock Island Plow Company, once upon a time. Byrd knew Oswald from the Civil Air Patrol. Im also wondering why Oswald never learned to drive.....🤔
Also, Mark Groubert on AUS, said that Frazier used to work at a curtain rod factory, prior to the TSBD.
Jackieow, you always bring the goods. Couldn’t agree more. Great comments.
I first saw Mr Shaw on Alternative Views years ago. It amazed me on what he had written in 1975 had taken so long to become mainstream. I remembered thinking, how could he have known all that back then? Such an enjoyable man to listen to.
I HAVE THAT CLIP
Gary Shaw is the MAN!!!
Jefferson Morley did great work promoting John McAdams. And Jefferson keeps the conspiracy nuts in line.
OK now I made the connection! Gary Shaw and Casey Quinlan and Leslie Sharp helped out Albarelli! thanks
Thank you for sharing this on You-Tube. Loved listening to this on your weekly podcast. Following J Gary Shaw forever. He is one of the great JFK researchers. He is also very good at telling a story and he is interesting, easy to follow and easy listening. Well done.
Swell, maybe one day Shaw will even make a video where he actually discusses the evidence in the case for a change...
Great show. I ordered Mr Shaw's book. Independent researchers and writers like him are our only hope.
He takes Roger Craig's B.S. stories seriously.
@@aaronz7056 says the guy who takes the Warren Commission's Fairy Tale seriously.
@@LBNLDC1 Roger Craig's claims were consistently and flatly contradicted by every other officer and witness present, by hard evidence, and frequently, by himself, as he couldn't even keep his own on-the-record stories straight... and Shaw just grants him uncritical credibility... and, presumably, so do you.
@@aaronz7056 Methinks the lady doth protest too much. I look at who is attacking Mr Craig and his credibility and ask myself why they are doing it. They seem like folks who have a vested interest in promoting and protecting the lone gunman fairy tale. People like you. Weitzman and Boone originally agreed in a signed affidavit with Craig that the rifle found on the Sixth Floor was a 7.65 Mauser. Their subsequent retractions were obviously the result of being threatened by their superiors. Just like Dr Malcolm Perry's retraction about the entrance wound in the front of Kennedy's neck. Perry was afraid for his life and moved his family far away from Dallas after that. There were citizens in Dealey Plaza who saw a man fitting Oswald's description climb into a car on Elm Street.
@@aaronz7056 Roger Craig's claims were corroborated in detail in a sworn affidavit from Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman. Weitzman retracted it later after being threatened.
Gary needs his own YT channel.
I agree.
I doubt that he'd want to keep up that schedule.
Yes, I'd like to see him make a video where he explains why he's so ill-informed on this case he seriously thinks a long-discredited serial liar like Roger Craig is a credible source of information.
@@aaronz7056 Roger Craig is not a long-discredited serial liar.
44:13 Roscoe had the photographic materials because he made them. He was famous in his family for having photos all over the house of different people's head on other people's bodies, done for jokes. He did all the handicrafting himself.
Pride monkey 🙈 😢😢😢😢😢🎉😅❤
One day you are actually going to post a single line that's not a demonstrable and shameless lie you are pulling out of thin air and I for one will be astonished.
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One day z,you might actually post a single line that's not a shameless lie pulled out of thin air and actually provide clear (non cherry picked and non selective points that explain your EVIDENCE) without being dismissive and insulting when another point dosnt fit your narrow argument.I, for one, will be absolutely astonished. But let’s be real-your track record shows you’re a master at regurgitating nonsense and hurling baseless accusations hey?It’s almost impressive how consistently you miss the mark. Maybe if you spent less time flinging insults and more time actually researching, you'd have a shred of credibility. But hey, looking in the mirror might be a good place to start am I right z🤣
@@athanXanthis Your obsessive harassment of me is beyond hilarious, you once again summarily dismiss all credible, demonstrable and documented evidence out of hand and take it for granted every witness was lying, all the evidence is faked, and all the investigators are lying. I have flung no "insult," I have called out a demonstrable serial liar here who, among other things, happily accuses people without evidence of being conspirators and who lectures that "at least 30 shots were fired" during the assassination. Presumably you agree with that then?
@@aaronz7056
"Oh boo hoo z you cant be serious right?seriously? You’re really pulling the harassment card now after months of you harassing people with your narrow-minded nonsense?😂You've been at this for ages, jumping on anyone who doesn’t buy into your weak theories, and now that you’re out of stuff to say, you try to flip the script? It's beyond pathetic. I’ve addressed your points over and over, but you’re just too stubborn to actually listen. You’re the one who’s been dodging reality, and now you’ve run out of things to throw at me. It’s obvious you’ve got nothing left, and this is just another desperate attempt to avoid admitting it.
Honestly thought you were better than this bro this weak as shit🤣
Mr. Morley, love your work and research. We know that James Jesus Angleton's mother was Mexican. I have read parts of The Ghost however do not own the book and have not read it completely. My two questions are, do you think that J.J.A. was ashamed that his mother was Mexican!
My next question is do you think he was in cahoots with Harold Philby? It is hard for me to believe that they were best friends and colleagues and that J.J.A. had no clue that he was a Russian Spy. If he didn't know then he was the most inept counter intelligence supervisor in history. If he did know then he should of been tried for treason. His "wilderness of mirrors" comment means that he should of looked in the mirror when he was looking for the C.I.A. mole which destroyed countless C.I.A. careers. I was never a fan of William King Harvey however I read somewhere that King was the only one who had Harold Philby figured out but no one would listen. Would appreciate your feedback. Thank You.
1:17:20 Might be the photo version found at George de Mohrenschidt's???
Let me answer that: no.
Very good, I’d like to go to see this wonderful place!
I saw a photograph (many years ago- I wish I remembered where) taken of the parking lot behind the fence on the knoll just minutes after the gun fire. In this photo, there’s a man with dark hair standing by himself - looking at the camera. This man is wearing a police uniform - he wasn’t wearing a hat and from the photo, it looked like he was wearing “shooters glasses.” This man didn’t look as though he was searching for perpetrators. But, there appeared to be a definite yellow tint eyewear on him - perceived to me to be shooters glasses
That certainly outweighs all the credible medical, forensic, ballistic, film and eyewitness evidence clearly demonstrating the shots all came from the sixth floor window, and from Oswald's rifle.
All credible medical, forensic, ballistic, eyewitness and film evidence demonstrate the shots all came from the sixth floor window, and from Oswald's rifle, and it's utterly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions.
@@aaronz7056 it wasn’t a photo of someone firing a gun - the photo was taken in the parking lot after all the shots were fired. I wish I could remember where I saw this photo. Evidence shows a shot from the front with a frangible bullet. Lucien Sarti was known to use that type of ammunition and E. Howard Hunt says confessed that there was a French gunman on the knoll. The photo that I saw looked an awful lot like Lucien Sarti. You should investigate further instead of just dismissing it like a government shill
I "should investigate further" where, exactly, at crackpot conspiracy sites or in the works of demonstrable grifters?
No, buddy, here is what the evidence actually shows:
a) ALL bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's Carcano.
b) Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film, 1-2 frames apart, clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo, from behind.
c) View of the entry wound on Connally's back would demonstrably have been blocked by Kennedy's body, meaning the same bullet has to have gone through both of them.
d) Victims' wounds demonstrably line up on a trajectory and track straight back to the sixth floor window.
e) Bullet recovered from the stretcher is badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side.
f) That condition is consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate.
g) Kennedy is very clearly seen to suffer a massive exit wound exploding at the right temple consistent only with a shot from behind.
h) Connally's said the shots came from behind.
i) Autopsy shows the shots came from behind.
j) Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos.
k) Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead.
l) Those witnesses had a clear view behind the knoll fence and would plainly have seen any gunman there.
m) Zapruder's secretary was only yards away from the fence and heard and saw nobody there.
n) It's beyond implausible anybody would ever assume they would successfully frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions with different guns and bullets.
@@roberthussey595 I "should investigate further" where, exactly, at crackpot conspiracy sites or in the lectures of paranoid grifters?
Awesome conversation ;
Fascinating...did not know about Mr. Shaw and his research! I would love to know what he or anyone else for that matter thinks about the bullet fragments remaining in John Conolly. If they are ever retrieved many questions may be answered. Conolly's story seems to be lost to history now almost no one mentions it.
Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo from behind.
Victims' wounds demonstrably line up on a trajectory and track straight back to the sixth floor window.
View of the entry wound on Connally's back would have been demonstrably blocked by Kennedys' body, meaning the same bullet has to have gone through both of them.
Witnesses directly under the window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead.
Bullet recovered from the stretcher is badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side, a condition consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate.
In short, they were both hit and run through by the same bullet.
33:55 Even if there is a French Connection is isn't necessarily of great significance. We know from Dan Marvin that the Boston Mob was invited to play a part in Dealey Plaza, and they responded, "No thanks, we have no beef with the Kennedys." Once the axis of Lansdale, Phillips, CIA, Joint Chiefs, LBJ etc. got things going, they had a use for Cuban exiles and mafiosi to be on hand and put forward as culpable in case the Oswald gambit failed. They toyed with setting up Jimmy Hoffa as a standby culpable possibility. Ditto for Richard Case Nagell and Larry Crafard. Inviting anti-communist French associates was almost a professional courtesy, and they would have felt snubbed had they not been invited to the party. Soutere as an expert marksman was perhaps detailed to the Cabana Hotel along Stemmons, to back up Morgan Brown whether Brown realized he was there or not. All of Dealey Plaza was backup to Al Carone failing to pick off JFK at Love Field.
@jackieow: Carone? What are your sources? Or what sources do you recommend?
No evidence for any of that rubbish.
@@aaronz7056 : What? You're saying Jackieow is just making stuff up out of whole cloth? Or that your reading doesn't reach so deep? Back up your "rubbish" assertion. Not saying I know one way or the other. But I'm not believing your dis-recommendation just because you call it rubbish. Disprove it if you know better. Show us.
@@rogerscottcathey How about first she provides a shred of evidence for any of her claims, which is more than she ever does. This is the same person who firmly asserts "at least 30 shots" were fired during the assassination and has refused to back it up with proof when challenged. Give me a break with that hilarious response of yours.
@@aaronz7056 : Just be specific and try and refrain from insults. Trying to have an intelligent adult conversation here. In the post she made I didn't see anything about "thirty shots". What it is to which you object. Broad blanket disdain doesn't help.
Gary Shaw!
Great broadcast. I actually found & bought a signed copy of Cover-Up. It should be here Monday of next week. I'm pretty psyched about it since Gary Shaw is one of the greatest researchers & a great man too...
In that case why oh why does he crank out interview after interview going on about some vague deep state and sinister Big Brother figures and never, ever getting around to addressing the actual EVIDENCE in these murders???
Ty Gary for your hard work over the years ❤
I was an 8 year old little girl in Lancaster, England and my Dad hit the arm of his chair really hard and said ‘ They’ve bloody well murdered him, the best chance theyll ever have to get the country straight, that says it all’, I didn’t often see my Dad angry but boy he blew. In his opinion the fact the what was supposed to be his security were riding behind in a car with their fancy suits on, they must have been tired. They let him down.
my father a ww2 veteran made a remark that I can visualize today much like you. I was 12 just home after be released from school early. My father walked in a little bit in shock with a serious look on his face. He had closed his job down and sent the crew home after hearing the report of JFK death. in the living room I was sitting with my mom with tv on and listening to the conversation. MY father a kennedy aupporter I guess smelled a rat and remarked We ( the united staes) do not transfer power by killing our president. WE don't do things this way! my dad had it right he had felt it was a coup. this was FRIDAY afternoon. SUNDAY morning me and my brother were watching the transfer of lee Harvey oswald at Dallas headquarters and RUBY got oswald as he entered the basement . I told my brother wake up mom &dad they might want to see this .
1:20:54 Taking a man down could mean shutting down the soldier Gordon Arnold (headed for Alaska the next day) who got his film confiscated. The soldier who said the cop had no hat on.
Gordon Arnold could never prove he was there, he kept changing his story, and oddly enough not one single witness ever said a word about seeing a soldier being robbed of his camera on the knoll by a crying policeman.
Arnold could never prove he was present, changed his stories, and strangely enough not one witness ever mentioned seeing a soldier on the knoll being robbed at gunpoint by any cop...
I’m not so sure about Gordon Arnold…. there were tons of photos and videos taken that day and I don’t see anyone wearing that uniform… just like Beverly Oliver, I think she’s full of it. I put my money on the “babushka lady” being either Mrs Zapruder or one of the ladies from Zapruder’s office….
@@AnthonyAnthony-tk4ye When you consider that he is just to be made out in the badge-man photo after great enlargement it is not surprising. Besides secret service took away lots of film. I beleive Oliver, can understand why she would wrap up with a scarf, try to look less glamourous, the legs look like hers. Seems that Posner was wrong about her camera, she was able to get a pre-official release one.
... believe ...
Agent Ricks (sp?) Is definitely alive - he is a featured interviewee on a new OKC bombing doc that recently debuted on Netflix!
Yes, agree that Jefferson Morley loves John McAdams. Morley quotes McAdams very often. The WC best friend.
No, I don't love John. He's dead. I didn't love when he was alive. I didn't promote him either because he was factually mistaken on a lot of key points and he often acted like a jerk. I didn't ban him from the site (as many people urged) because I believe in the widest possible discourse gets the best results. And I don't quote him "very often." In fact, I can't remember the last time I quoted him. Can you?
Thank you for this wonderful post. I respect Mr. Shaw greatly and have lost count how many times I have listened to his insightful interviews on Alternative Views. I would appreciate clarification on a point if possible. Roger Craig, whose credibility is, in my opinion, sterling, either saw Oswald or an Oswald look-alike get into a light green Nash Rambler station wagon. Three other witnesses corroborate this. Oswald allegedly became defensive when Craig later asked him about this at the police station, to which he responded to the effect, "Don't drag Mrs. Paine into this." Did Ruth Paine own a 1962 Nash Rambler station wagon? I've only been able to find documentation that she owned a brown '55 Chevy station wagon driven to New Orleans that summer to pick up Marina.
I've heard this argument many times. Logic: effective, gov protected crime groups don't locally register "company vehicles" to be used while blowing away someone in public.
Roger Craig's claims:
a) He was with Deputy Mooney when they discovered the sniper nest.
Flatly contradicted by Craig's own WC testimony.
b) He saw 3 shells lined up in a neat row (implausibly) in the sniper nest.
Flatly contradicted by officers who actually discovered the nest and the scattered shells.
c) He saw the recovered rifle was a Mauser.
Flatly contradicted by other officers (cops freely admitted to initially misidentifying the unfamiliar Carcano at first, big deal), by news film, and by Craig himself, in his 1968 interview where he assures the L.A. Free Press he couldn't ID the gun because he "didn't know foreign rifles."
d) He saw it was only six past one when he heard Tippit had been shot.
Flatly contradicted by other witnesses, evidence, and by Craig himself in his 1968 interview.
e) He saw a slug recovered from the plaza grass.
Flatly contradicted by every other officer and witness present, and by Craig's own WC testimony.
f) He saw Oswald flee the plaza in a Rambler.
Flatly contradicted by other witnesses and evidence clearly demonstrating Oswald's true escape route, by bus, where he was ID'd by his ex-landlady, and by cab, whose driver firmly ID'd him.
Oswald still had the bus transfer on him when arrested.
The idea Oswald had a chauffer driven ride waiting outside the Depository to carry him away through the chaos and gridlock of the streets is ludicrous.
g) Oswald told him in Captain Fritz's office the Rambler belonged to Ruth Paine.
Flatly contradicted by every other officer present and by Dallas PD and FBI documents showing Mrs. Paine's car was a Chevrolet.
h) His WC testimony was changed.
His reported testimony is consistent with his original interviews.
i) There were attempts on his life to silence him.
No supporting evidence exists nor is there any explanation of why it would be necessary to "silence" this clown (12 years later, no less), when his credibility would have been shredded on the stand by any competent lawyer.
@@aaronz7056 that's good staff work Robert. If only honest.
@@jonhenson5450 Thank you. I have said nothing inaccurate. But, of course, everybody else was lying and this guy who couldn't even keep his own on-the-record stories straight is the only one telling the truth...
@@aaronz7056 "I have said nothing" at least your party got that part right. Exposed
Johnny Carroll!! That's awesome
Mention of Reynolds should mention Andrija Puharich also! thanks
Just ordered the book. As one who was a researcher and one who is curious...fascinating!
41:27 Roscoe White was inserted into the Dallas Police in Sept. 1963. Back in 1957 Roscoe and Hungarian Oswald had studied at the School of Illusionary Warfare near Nag's Head NC how to do operations while pretending to be commies, to cast blame in false flag exercises. Both were on the same boat to Atsugi but Roscoe continued on to the Philippines. In early 1963 Roscoe and Hungarian Oswald worked side by side at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall in Dallas making phony photographs and ID materials used later, like Oswald's bogus wallet materials and the pictures of him holding rifle and gun and Militant and Daily Worker with Oswald's head on Roscoe's chin and body. Evidently they didn't know that the Socialist Worker's Party and the Communist Party were intense rivals, and practically nobody but a government agent would subscribe to both papers at the same time, or else be thrown out of this or that organization as a traitor to the wrong branch of communism by the other branch of communism. Roscoe was assigned to live across the street from J.D. Tippit and make sure his errand running was done and that he kept being a patsy ready to be sacrificed on Nov. 22 as the reason for cops to swarm from Dealey Plaza to Oak Cliff.
Hungarian Oswald??
@@brianambrosemcmahon8531 This is the same jackieow who has called me an idiot for not agreeing there were at least "30" shots fired during the assassination.
Great video
Gary Shaw met him in 1997 very interesting ow he researched the JFK assassination and what information that he found.
What information? He never, ever seems to get around to talking about the actual EVIDENCE!
@@aaronz7056 Ridiculous.
Things got interesting at the mention of a green Rambler ; a little odd at the photo of Mrs. Roscoe White; and then just too fantastic at the appearance of the buried cables. $$$
Legend 😸👍
3 of the shooters were Loran Hall, Roger Morales, Jean Renee Soutre, but i don't know the other 3. But there were 6 shooters that fired 11 shots. Doesn't matter how many shots were heard. With 6 assassins popping off and 4 using suppression the sounds are very confusing.
if there was an entrance wound in JKF's neck.....where was the exit wound? Nobody has claimed there was one
Besides whether anyone actually saw a male who looked like Oswald being picked up on Elm St are we supposed to believe that the plan was for for Oswald to wait inside the most important crime scene in history for 15 minutes and then for a car to just wait on Elm Street for Oswald to run out and get in the car. Most people would have expected the police to have closed elm street so no one would plan to pick any one up from there.
Thanks for the reply but this still does not answer if it came from Oswald's gun. Connolly himself thought for a time there was more than 1 shooter. I believe fragments were taken from his wrist. He change his mind and would not permit further bullet removal even in deaht.
All bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle.
Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo, from behind.
Victims' wounds demonstrably line up on a trajectory and track straight back to the sixth floor window.
View of the entry wound on Connally's back would demonstrably have been blocked by Kennedy's body, the same bullet has to have gone through both of them.
Bullet recovered from the stretcher was matched to Oswald's rifle.
Bullet is badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side.
That condition is consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate.
Yes...that acounts for a shot from the rear...kennedy got shot in the front...in the throat....and in the right front of his head...these 2. shots. Were frontal@@aaronz7056
@@aaronz7056 This is balloney. Reactions show they are not hit by same bullet, there is no line-up of trajectory - in fact the trajactory is impossible, bullet is not crushed at the nose - in fact it is in very good condition, no entry wound in back of JFK compatible with sbt - the wound is too low and shallow - could be the bullet on the stretcher, the head shot was a frangible and is different to other bullets which were metal jacket. 1 bullet missed, 1bullet for sbt (which is impossible), 1 bullet still in Connally's leg, a frangible for the head shot = 4 bullets minimum.
@@KennethPoole-y7z Buddy: what the heck did I literally just say above? Besides which:
Bullet would have changed course slightly going through Kennedy's body.
No doubt you will now explain what DID happen to the bullet supposedly still in Connally's leg, because the doctors sure never found it! It had already fallen out of the shallow leg wound, and before you start, Dr. Shaw at his first press conference was only assuming the bullet was still in Connally's leg. He hadn't examined that wound because he was far more concerned about operating on Connally's far more dangerous chest wounds.
Love Gary ,but I have to disagree with what he said about Oswald on not getting on a bus then a cab. I Believe he did, therefore Oswald look alike got into Rambler
An amazing conversation.👍
Committee to Investigate Assassinations
(C I A)
Haha.. Good one!
By know means an expert but I have spent a little time looking into (Clarence) William Bishop. He obviously did work for Batistianos in Florida and may have had some knowledge of the assassination but it seems more like he was a chancer with little military experience and not a spook (FWIW). Bud Fensterwald claimed that Bishop and John O'Hare were one in the same, which doesn't seem to bear out (for me) at the minute. Not sure if O'Hare was a spook either but he does seem to have started a feud with John Phillip Nichols of Cabazon notoriety and allegedly tried to get his recruits in Daytona Beach to murder him
So you appear to buy into the magic bullet theory?
Didnt Gordon Arnold the soldier by the fence, say the guy roughed him up when he took his film? That could explain the blood bu the blood on the stairs.
I thought the guy’s name is Gary Mack !? He was called that years ago. Did he change it??
Malcolm Summers was the guy who hit the ground. He said he heard the shots from behind and the police officer was running up towards the fence and he ducked because he thought the officer was going to shoot the guy. More importantly he said he encountered Roscoe White as well. He identified him in a mug book.
White's known movements that day make it highly unlikely he would even have had time to get to the plaza in time for the assassination, and in any case all credible medical, forensic, ballistic, film and eyewitness evidence clearly demonstrates the shots all came from the sixth floor window.
Those look like Gregg Shorthand scribblings at 1:06:07 . . .
dang "book of the month club" relaunched in 2015 as "Book of the Month" primarily now just fiction. Yes people really don't read non-fiction much anymore. Truth is too strange for people to handle!
if the bus/taxi stories are bogus, then how do you explain the Whaley death?
And of course you do realize there were (at least) two oswalds in dallas that day. Two were taken from the Texas Theatre - one out the front for the media and the second out the back from the balcony.
But both in the same car
@@janetphillips2875 the two oswalds? No, they were not taken away in the same car. One was taken to the DPD, and later killed by Ruby.
The other flew out of Red Bird airport in S Dallas later the day of the assassination.
No evidence for that rubbish, and the theater was surrounded by witnesses and police officers, no "second Oswald" was ever seen dragged out.
I'll explain Whaley's death: he collided with an 83-year old driver on a viaduct and they were both killed. Whaley consistently affirmed it was Oswald in his cab and he told him absolutely nothing so he would be far more valuable to any "conspiracy" alive.
Needless to say, there was no "second" Oswald, the theater was surrounded by police and witnesses, and if a shoe store clerk hadn't happened to have his radio on, heard the APB on the assassination suspect, noticed Oswald trying to hide from passing police in his store front, and been suspicious enough of him to follow him down the street nobody ever would have realized Oswald was in the theater at all.
@@janetphillips2875 Didn't Oswald travel in Westbrook's car, curious head of personnel being so prominent in the arrest.
In fairness, there was only one Elvis.
Dr. Charles Crenshaw's claims:
a) He played a major role in the trauma room.
He backed off this, said the publishers of his book were taking liberties, and admitted his role was actually minor, which hardly inspires confidence.
b) He was the throat wound was an entrance wound.
Crenshaw claimed he arrived at the trauma room at the same time as Dr. McClelland, who testified HE didn't arrive until after the tracheostomy had already obliterated the throat wound's original appearance, meaning Crenshaw could never have seen it before the procedure.
c) He saw the back of Kennedy's head had been blown out.
Crenshaw's words consistently refer to the "side" of the head.
d) He was certain the shots came from the front.
Oddly enough, other, more senior doctors are plainly seen at their first press conference speculating wildly about the wounds, unable to conjecture about numbers, trajectories, etc., yet strangely the more junior Crenshaw was "positive."
e) Lyndon Johnson called the Parkland Hospital operating room as the dying Oswald was undergoing surgery to demand a confession be extracted from him.
Johnson was demonstrably in the East Room of the White House with the Kennedy family from time Oswald was shot to the time he died, and phone records show no call made from the White House to Parkland Hospital during that time.
f) Parkland doctors were afraid to talk about the assassination for fear of reprisals.
Blatantly not true: those doctors were talking openly and freely about the assassination from the time it happened, often to conspiracy authors.
g) An army of police invaded the Texas Theater to arrest a man for not paying admission.
The man, Oswald, was a good match for the suspect just seen murdering a police officer nearby.
You again folks don't listen to this CIA bot
Don't listen to Aaron Z he's a CIA bot he is always talking crap on all of these
@@dexculpepper-py1jr No, I just see value in alerting people when they are being misled by lying crackpots so paranoid they assume anybody not on board for this conspiracy idiocy must be a "CIA bot." LOL
So we now look forward to you backing up all of Crenshaw's demonstrably false claims above to the hilt, yes?
No, I just see value in alerting people when they are being misled by lying crackpots so paranoid they assume anybody not on board for this conspiracy idiocy must be a "CIA bot." LOL No doubt you will now explain how all of Crenshaw's demonstrably untrue claims above are actually true, yes?
No, I just see value in alerting people when they are being misled by crackpots so paranoid they assume anybody not on board for this "conspiracy" idiocy must be a "CIA bot." lol
79 folk listening to this -- sorry but I bet 75 of them were former or current FBI, CIA, SS, NSA, mafia or Dallas police lol.
I wish Me Shaw had a podcast!
With those Mandarin orders, what does OSHA mean?
American untold stories is the best source on the assassination
America's Untold Stories' record:
a) gives the middle finger to the family of a decorated police officer slain in the line of duty as they accuse the man without evidence of being a conspirator so long as it suits their crackpot "theories"
b) does the same to Ruth Paine as though just gagging to get sued for slander
c) ignores hard evidence in favour of rumbling away about "the Deep State" being out to get us all
d) has no qualms about hawking books written by unspeakable monster Alex Jones...
You’ve got to be kidding me. Mark Grobert is entertaining, but he has no idea what he’s talking about. He’s so inaccurate it’s laughable. Especially when he calls himself a researcher. Please don’t put your faith in the things he says. He’s completely wrong on virtually everything. Enjoy the show for entertainment purposes only.
@@George_L-w7o Mark Groubert's despicable record:
a) gives his middle finger to J.D. Tippit's family as he accuses the man without evidence of being a conspirator so long as it suits his stupid "theories"
b) does the same to Ruth Paine as though just gagging to get himself sued for slander
c) ignores and contradicts hard evidence in favour of warning the "Deep State" is out to get us all
d) has no qualms about hawking books by that unspeakable monster Alex Jones...
@@George_L-w7o Ok, Mr know it all democrat voter 😀
I’m a right wing Republican. But a smart one who knows how to analyze facts and find the truth
Ruby was probably cruising Gary & his buddies…
Great Show. Often mistake his name for the sellout gary mack, who flipped, lied , and died a coward
I can’t think of a better psychological case study (likely repeated thousands of times over six decades) of confirmation bias and conspiracy theories, of interpreting info to favor preconceived notions and consistently ignoring facts including actual evidence and advances in forensic science. These guys (or Mark Lane) wouldn’t survive a 15 minute interview with Gerald Posner or James Swanson (or Vincent Bugliosi, RIP). I still feel the loss of JFK, but it doesn’t do him honor to live in Mark Lane land, and keep regurgitating stale theories about more than one assassin, when there are no forensics to support it. I do think there’s reason to believe in a cover up by the CIA and the FBI for their incompetence. They likely screwed up, many others did too, so a cover was logical, and should have been brought to light, so it doesn’t happen again. Amen to that. But that ship has sailed, we’ve learned a lesson at JFK’s expense and 61 years later it’s not realistic for dead people or agencies to come forward and confess to malfeasance. And peddling conspiracy theories about Jack Ruby surely doesn’t help. Sadly, guys (and countless others) have gone down the rabbit hole and never coming back. It would have been a better use of their time volunteering at Children’s hospital.
This podcast began with, “This is the only podcast not devoted to the conviction of the ex-President.” For me that was clearly a political tell. I haven’t found people in of a certain politics terribly fussy about facts and reasoning, so it came as no surprise.
But, as Dennis Miller used to say, “…of course I could be wrong”.
You are.
Oddly they didn't mention there are slight problems with Craig's latter day claims:
a) He saw the recovered rifle was a Mauser.
Flatly contradicted by other officers (cops freely owned up to initially misidentifying the unfamiliar Carcano at first, big deal), by news film, and by CRAIG HIMSELF, in his 1968 interview where he assures the L.A. Free Press he couldn't ID the gun because he "didn't know foreign rifles."
The idea somebody left the wrong kind of rifle, or multiple rifles, lying around the crime scene for an army of cops to find is blatantly idiotic.
b) He was with Deputy Mooney when they discovered the sniper nest.
Flatly contradicted by Craig's own WC testimony.
c) He saw 3 shells lined up in a neat row in the sniper nest.
Flatly contradicted by officers who actually discovered the nest.
The idea somebody would have lined the shells up in a row in the first place is also blatantly idiotic.
d) He saw it was only six past one when he heard Officer Tippit had been shot.
Flatly contradicted by other witnesses, evidence, and Craig's own WC testimony.
e) He saw a slug recovered from the plaza grass.
Flatly contradicted by every other officer and witness presents (Deputy Walthers firmly testified nothing was found) and by Craig's own WC testimony.
f) He saw Oswald flee the plaza in a Rambler station wagon.
Flatly contradicted by other witnesses and evidence clearly demonstrating Oswald's true escape route, by bus, where he was recognized by his ex-landlady, and by cab, whose driver firmly ID'd him.
Oswald still had the bus transfer on him when he was arrested.
The idea Oswald had a chauffeur-driven ride waiting outside the Depository to ferry him away through the gridlock and chaos of the parade is blatantly idiotic.
g) Oswald told him in Captain Fritz's office the Rambler belonged to Ruth Paine.
Flatly contradicted by every other officer present, and by Dallas PD and FBI documents that prove Mrs. Paine's car was a Chevrolet.
h) His WC testimony was changed.
His testimony in the report is consistent with his original interviews.
i) There were attempts on his life to silence him.
No supporting evidence exists, nor is there any explanation of why it would be necessary to "silence" this guy (12 years after the assassination, no less) when his credibility would have been shredded on the stand by any competent lawyer.
So we grt fact checks on everytbing now that goes agaibst the grain?
The "taking a man down" thing . . . would that correlate to Arnold's claim that a guy kicked him after he dove to the ground and took his film? But that was supposedly next to the fence. Notrueflags here RUclipsr thinks that's where Tippit was actually killed. I think that's almost impossible because: what do you do with the body before the cops and crowds run up there? That pool of blood and the issuer of it presents a true time problem. It's also possible the photographer was pulling Coley's leg on purpose. I mean, c'mon! Who's going to taste blood? A cherry soda, yeah. Coley did describe the guy with the rain coat over his arm, and that guy was also caught on film walking away from an officer . . . If it was the same guy
That grifter Arnold could never prove he was present, he changed his story, and not one witness ever said anything about seeing a soldier on the knoll being robbed at gunpoint by any cop.
Gordon Arnold could never prove he was present, changed his story, and oddly not one single witness ever said a word about seeing any soldier being robbed at gunpoint on the knoll by a policeman.
Waaaaaaaaaaay too many rabbit holes with no sourcing and no evidence. Dozens of names dropped we’ve never heard before.
Get over it! The Roscoe White diary is forever gone! You and Ricky can say all you want, but the fact remains you can not prove anything about Roscoe White and the JFK assassination. This is a money grab!
That's one thing it's not.
@@KennethPoole-y7z In that case we will look forward to you presenting your ironclad evidence to the contrary, yes?
Since, as usual, Shaw just focusses on side issues and digressions and never, ever gets around to discussing the actual EVIDENCE in this case, perhaps one day he would like to address the following:
- Oswald showed up unexpectedly and uninvited at the Paine house, where his rifle was kept, Nov. 21
- His estranged wife turned him down for a reconciliation that night.
- He hid his wedding ring for her to find later.
- Next morning he suddenly possessed a package he hadn't arrived with while his rifle teleported to the Depository.
- Oswald owned and smuggled the rifle.
- Oswald left his latent print on the rifle.
- Oswald lied to police about his whereabouts during the shooting.
- Every bullet and fragment ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle.
- Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film, 1-2 frames apart, clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo, from behind.
- Victims' wounds demonstrably line up on a trajectory and track back to the sixth floor window.
- View of the entry wound on Connally's back would demonstrably have been blocked by Kennedy's body, meaning the same bullet has to have gone through both of them.
- Bullet recovered from the stretcher is badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side.
- That condition is consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate.
- Kennedy is very clearly seen to suffer a massive exit wound exploding at the right temple, consistent only with a shot from behind.
- Connally's said the shots came from behind.
- Autopsy shows the shots came from behind.
- Parkland doctors examined the autopsy photos on NOVA and had no particular problem with them.
- Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots came from directly overhead.
- Those witnesses had a clear view behind the knoll fence and would plainly have seen any gunman there.
- Zapruder's secretary was only yards away from the fence and heard and saw nobody there.
- It's utterly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions with different guns and bullets.
- No unidentified persons were ever seen inside the building.
- Oswald was a perfectly plausible match to the shooter seen in the window.
- Oswald was the only employee inside the building to immediately flee the crime scene and the plaza.
- Oswald took evasive action by cab to sneak back to his rooming house.
- Oswald ignored his cab driver when he asked about the commotion in the streets.
- Oswald ignored his landlady when she spoke to him.
- Oswald decided at the last minute to put a jacket on.
- Oswald was ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as shooting Officer Tippit and fleeing.
- Framing Oswald for Tippit's shooting would be utterly implausible and unworkable in practice.
- Oswald owned and was in possession of the gun the shells were matched to.
- Oswald was plainly seen trying to hide in a store front from passing police.
- Oswald was plainly seen ducking into a theater to dodge more passing police.
- Oswald discarded his jacket, with fibres consistent with his shirt, between the Tippit crime scene and the theater.
- Oswald was caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop.
- Oswald fought police so violently 3 officers were injured just disarming him.
- Oswald observed, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing.
- Oswald refused to cooperate with any investigator.
- Oswald refused help offered by H. Louis Nichols, President of the Dallas Bar Association.
- Oswald was only interested in John Abt, a lawyer he'd never met living in another state, who specialized in left-wing causes.
- Oswald acted so smug he even convinced his own brother he was guilty.
- Oswald slept like a baby in his cell.
- Oswald never attempted to blow any conspiracy to any cop, any member of his family, to Nichols, or to a live TV audience of millions.
- Oswald just shrugged a hollow, unsurprised, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
Or, more likely, he'll once again just summarily ignore all of it and instead just talk about Roscoe White, whose known movements that day make it highly unlikely he even had time to get to the plaza in time for the assassination anyway...
Every point you make here is incorrect.
So your response to my wondering if a crackpot conspiracy theorist will just summarily ignore all the evidence I listed is to... summarily dismiss all of the evidence I listed... and without making the slightest attempt to actually address one single word of it. Typical conspiracy theorist, you can set your watch by it.
@@aaronz7056
Wrong way to go about this z time and time again god I sometimes wonder how you get around🤨
It’s amusing to see how you weave together all these claims, thinking they form a solid case. Oswald showing up at the Paine house isn’t evidence of guilt; people visit homes all the time for various reasons. The idea that he hid his wedding ring for his estranged wife to find later? That sounds more like a stretch than a smoking gun.
The notion that a package “teleported” to the Depository is just absurd. Packages move around; it doesn’t implicate him in a conspiracy. As for the latent prints on the rifle, that’s not conclusive evidence of ownership, especially given the potential for contamination. You act as if it’s undeniable proof, but it’s far from definitive ffs z🤦🏻♂️
Claiming the victims’ reactions in the Zapruder film pinpoint the shots to a specific angle is another overreach. The chaos of that moment makes it impossible to draw such precise conclusions. And while you assert the wounds align perfectly, you’re oversimplifying a complex scenario with multiple angles.
You throw around terms like "evidence" but seem to ignore the complexities involved. Listing these points doesn’t make you an expert; it just shows a narrow viewpoint. Until you start engaging with the deeper nuances of this case instead of reciting your talking points, you’ll just be another voice lost in an echo chamber, clinging to your misconceptions.
You know, it remains hilarious as you continue stalking me around the net like some kind of sicko, watching you consistently and flatly summarily dismissing all the evidence in this case and bursting blood vessels straining so hard to let Oswald off the hook at every turn without making the slightest attempt to offer up any alternate scenario here, to say nothing of your vague and meaningless speculations. That evidence I listed clearly demonstrates what happened.
@@KennethPoole-y7z You know, just summarily dismissing an avalanche of hard, credible, demonstrable and documented evidence like that without making the slightest attempt to actually address one single word of it hardly negates any of it.