By the way, Best Car Magazine also says that this 2.0L turbo 4 engine can be tuned upwards of 600 ps (metric hp) for track use, and that the application for MR2 should have at least 400 ps. So despite the small displacement, it produces power similar to a V-8 engine.
I need the MR2 to come back!! It was my 2nd car and my favorite vehicle I ever owned. It was unstoppable and I never had 1 single issue. I'd buy this again @toyota
That Mini Landcruiser looks pretty good, kinda reminds me of what Ford did with the Maverick, finally listening to a large part of their customer base and offering us something that’s actually affordable. I’m not gonna hold my breath on the price yet.
I think you're commenting this on the wrong video lmfao. This is a toyota product and only about 50k....ish. That's a nice toy for a guy making middleclass income. A very expensive thing to buy as far as wants vs needs go lol....but certainly affordable! hell I will definitely get it and I'm certainly no doctor. Long as I can plug into the internet somewhere I can work
@@andrewjarvis7777 they said $70k not $50k, that’s middle class annual income not middle class weekend toy money. The majority of the middle class has a mortgage a spouse and a couple of kids and no $70k 2 seater Toyotas in the garage. If you can afford it go buy one man I’m sure they’re going to be great but will it be Boxster/Cayman great? Cause that’s what they cost and that’s for a Porsche not a Toyota
@@Aaron-br1fc $70k for the MR2, $40-$50k for the Celica. And neither of these cars is really meant for someone with a spouse and two kids. Unless you're retired, and your kids are grown up and on their own. These aren't family cars.
My first car was a 1977 Celica GT Liftback; Maroon metallic w/tan interior. I drove that car all over the US while serving in the USAF. Great car! I can't wait to see the rebirth of the Celica and MR2!
I hope the 86 and brz brothers will live on as affordable performance cars for younger folks. Both the new MR2 and Celica would be great and I’m happy they’re coming out. $40-50k is too much for most young buyers.
@@ROVA00 I'm an old fart, and I want one. $40-$50k isn't too much. These are the kind of sporty 2-door cars I drove when I was younger, in the early '80s. They disappeared for many years because all the young people want SUVs and pickups today.
The average car price even before this inflationary period was $38k in 2019 era. Cheapest new car is what... $18k? If you need transportation, you shouldn't be worrying about anything performance orientated and not your market.
As a huge 5th and 6th gen Celica fan, I am ecstatic by the prospect of a proper Celica finally returning. So long as the Celica and MR2 are purely Toyota in engineering, design and manufacturing, I think that they will have significantly better positioning from the get go than the current rebadged Subaru and BMW cars sold as Toyotas now. Hopefully a genuine Supra successor replaces the current imposter as well. A turbo 4 with awd and a manual transmission for the Celica is the most perfect combination. Just like the old GT4’s.
Not happening because Toyota announced they aren’t going to make sports cars by themselves unless it’s a the Lexus LFR or the grand tourer that replaces LC and RC maybe they could go with Mazda, Suzuki or Daihatsu
Very exciting news! I am skeptical that the MR2 will be AWD only. The R meant rear wheel drive after all! Interesting that the MR2 could take the Supra’s spot as Toyota’s flagship sports car.
Yeah, I’m skeptical as well, but not because of the name, but rather from a mechanical perspective. They’d have to run the front driveshaft through the oil pan or something.
My favorite Toyota was my 1987 Celica GTS in white with a blue interior. If the car does not sit too low to the ground, I could consider it if everything checks the right boxes.
I was driving the Celica GTS 5 speed manual transmission roadster & the 6 speed ( 7th generation?) I liked the 5 speed more ! the wheel spin make sound & tire smoke on road surface make me feels crazy and has a lot of fun !!
The MR2 and the Celica will be marked up by dealerships to oblivion, hope they produce a lot of the Celica at least. Otherwise it will become another supra. The Supra not selling well has to do more with dealership gouging that anything else, Toyota needs to get a hand on this, its killing all sports cars.
A mention of the estimated kerb weight of each of these cars would be handy as well since sports car enthusiasts will likely use that knowledge on the race track to their advantage.
I had an 86 supercharged! That was the most fun car I have ever owned! There was nothing better than driving on the back roads around Sydney on the weekend having the T-tops off, music up and the supercharger screaming behind my ear!
Wait that doesn't seem to work out right the BMW Supra is it's own type of cat the Celica is a half gt half rally car (or it was ) gr86 is kinda the drift car
Maybe you’ve heard of a little company called…Porsche? Or perhaps…Lotus? VW and Audi have very sporty cars with a 1.8. As your girlfriend knows, size isn’t everything.
David, from an engineering perspective, how would Toyota go about adding AWD to a mid-engined transverse engine? The transaxle would be to the rear of the engine, so it seems the driveshaft would have to go through the oil pan, but I don’t know that there’s clearance for that. I find the rumors of an AWD MR2 hard to believe. If it were hybrid, they could add electric motors up front, but I struggle with how they would do this from a purely mechanical perspective. I can’t think of any other non-hybrid AWD mid-engined car with a transverse engine.
I couldn't afford an Mr2 when it first came out and I won't be able to afford one now that I'm retired. It's just a pipe dream for me. Maybe they'll make an RC Model I can play with..
90, 92, 93 all trac turbo celica, 2004 7th gen TRD 6pd + my 2023 6pd GR Supra and now I’m ready for another Celica. Does t make sense that the MR2 is AWD and in a higher tier than the Celica
Nice…I hope the MR2 has more head room than the Supra that I can’t fit in because I’ll buy the MR2 for my daily but it sounds like the Celica might be big enough for me and will likely be the better vehicle for my needs.
Great to know the years of rumors of a new MR2 wasn't all for not. Hopefully the styling will leverage much of the look of the SW20. IMHO, it was the best looking of all three generations. My fingers are crossed that T-tops (or even a targa) will be on the option list. Also, bring back the Celica with an Alltrac variant to compete with the Subaru WRX!
A revived MR2 - love to hear it. Happy, it is not an EV, but - sry - AWD is for a small sporty car is a questionable decision, sport cars are RWD, everything else is mainly driving up the weight and cost. Hope they find a solution for the snap oversteer problem that destroyed many of the MR2s. I'm not convinced the layout mentioned is a good decision, makes a small car even more expensive than the BMW-Supra:; as I fear, an 80K-MR2 will diminish any chances for a new MR2 to become a successful product, sry...
I hope they both come out in 2026 and wouldn't be surprised if they made the Celica All trak available in 2027 and with the FJ Cruiser coming out soon maybe this will be what i can look at to purchase in the next few years , I think your right about the Supra, people want a 100% Toyota built sports coupe, BMW built nice sporty fast cars , just aren't reliable and cost a bucket load of money to repair or maintain, great video David 👍
I owned an 86 MR2 and welcome the new model along with the Celica. Toyota needs these exciting models in their lineup. I hope there is a more moderately priced model as the MR2 was always about affordable ( Miata priced) sports car excitement.
Hey Toyota! What would be best for those of us who don't have over $50,000 incomes, is a version of one of these that is an all Toyota replacement for the GR86, with the 2.0 turbo, rear wheel drive (maybe with optional all wheel), and a starting price around $30,000. Keep it simple, keep it light (under 3000 Lbs), 6 speed manual, Manual adjusting seats, limited electronics and gizmos, preferably rear seat room for two average sized adults, at least for short trips (unlike the GR86/BRZ twins), and Reliable! This CAN be done! And it would restore faith in Toyota fans (my 83 Celica was one of my favorite and most memorable cars, even though it needed more power). 🙏🙏🙏
If the MR2 does come out and is in the US it'll be great. Porsche has already said 2025 is the last year for the Cayman/Boxster as an ICE vehicle, so a mid-engine vehicle with similar power output as the GTS and GT4 models (not GT4RS) and AWD at a cheaper price would be great for enthusiasts looking for a replacement. Really looking forward to more news on the MR2 moving forward.
At US$40-50k, the Celica looks to be aimed at the Nissan Z, but lighter and AWD. Sounds good to me. I was planning to get a BRZ next year, but I might have to wait and save up a little more.
$70-80k for the MR2? The "affordable" and reliable mid-engine sports car? Yeah, no. AWD?! Unnecessary weight and will remove from the experience. There better be T-TOPS on that too. And pop up headlights, especially considering how EASY it would be to get around the so-called regulations. They need to sit down their designers, show them a SW20, and the tell the designers THAT is what the enthusiasts want. Do not let another Supra like mistake happen. That 4-cyl better put out some big numbers, AMG 4-cyl like numbers if they're charging $80k for a Toyota. And would it kill Toyota to put not just one, but multiple crazy cool wild colors on their sports cars? And finally... hopefully the car is produced to meet demand, no bottlenecks, and thus price is controlled at stealerships, and designed so someone over 6' tall can get in and out of it without smashing their head like with the Supra roof.
I'm happy the MR2 is coming back, but I was really hoping it would have the 2.5L 5th gen hybrid engine that the new Camry has. That would be a real hoot to drive. Just mash and go! No gears to get in the way. Just set up the corner, hang on for dear life, and gently power your way out of it. never having to let go of the steering wheel to grab a shifter. Super fun on a twisty road and could drive circles around the 2L turbo engine model with the 6 speed. And much more predictable power delivery than the turbo engine, especially important in a mid engine car. How do I know? I had a mid engine sports car and you can get yourself into trouble really quick if you power out of a corner too aggressively and do a complete spin around. I've done it. Also, I own an 8th gen Camry hybrid so I am very familiar with the 2.5L hybrid powertrain. And I also own a Mazda Miata NA, one of the most balanced fun to drive sports cars on the planet. Since I got the hybrid Camry, I've always wished that powertrain could be in a sports car because the power delivery is so smooth and powerful. If that engine was in a MR2, it would be an amazingly fun combination. Not only that, it would probably get around 60 mpg while planting many smiles per miles on your face. When Toyota finally comes out with the MR2 Hybrid, you will see what I mean. I just hope Toyota is smart enough to use the A25A 2.5L hybrid engine from the Camry, and no the 2.0L or the 1.8L hybrid powertrains from the Prius and Corolla. The 2.5L hybrid engine is the best hybrid engine Toyota has for power and efficiency bar none. If they had put that engine in the Corolla instead of the 1.8L hybrid, the Corolla could have got near 60 mpg and got to 60 mph in 6 seconds or less.
Bro, you're getting high on your own supply. Your car's 208hp from a heavy engine would be a terrible match for a sportscar. The economy isn't that good either 44/47/46 for the upper Camry trims. You have a nice car and enjoy it that's great but people don't care about fuel economy in a sportscar that doesn't see too many miles anyway. What enthusiasts want is high power and light weight. That's why Toyota has developed this new 2.0T. They know what they are doing!
@@bearclaw5115 I may be "high on my own supply," but it's because I know I'm right. The 2.5L A25A FXS naturally aspirated Hybrid powerplant would be perfect for a sports car. And the new 5th gen version of it even more so. As far as it being too heavy, remember it doesn't have the 6 speed transmission and turbo/intercooler that the 2.0T setup does. So I think weight would be similar. It would require a traction battery, but the Li-Ion battery pack in my Camry weighs 70 lbs. and could be placed between the front axle and passenger cell for a great weight distribution. And that would be a better weight distribution than the AWD setup that is currently being proposed because the weight is closer to center. A turbo engine has no place in a mid engine sports car. If the boost comes on too strong while coming out of a corner the car will go flying into a spin. Very dangerous. The naturally aspirated 2.5L Hybrid powertrain has linear power delivery. Perfect for a mid engine sports car. Have you ever driven a go cart on a track? Go carts don't have gears that you have to row through. It's just mash and go. Great fun! The MR2 doesn't need AWD either. RWD in a sports car/go cart is a much more desirable setup. As far as fuel economy not mattering to "enthusiasts?" I am an enthusiast. But I can't afford a "special purpose" car that isn't practical for the "rest" of my life. I've owned my NA Miata for 31 years. I drove it over 200k miles commuting to work. I did that while I raised my family. I could do it because that was "my" car and it only carried "me" to work. It was great fun to get to and from work, put a big smile on my face, and was very cheap transportation. I had the family car for the family, which always happened to be a Camry, but the affordable commute car for work, which was my Miata. I'm retired now and still have it. Regarding the fuel economy. The hybrid engine in my 2018 Camry LE is rated 51/52/53 mpg. Weight and wheels matter as this same engine in the 2018 XSE Camry is only rated 44/46/47. If this engine was in a lighter mid engine sports car it could easily achieve 57 mpg no problem. The 5th gen 2.5 hybrid engine puts out 225 hp, and I'm sure Toyota can massage more hp out of it as they do when the put this powerplant in different models. I can easily see 260 hp possible without too much effort. Fuel mileage does matter to many of us. If Toyota were to make the MR2 attractive to the masses, and not just a specialty car only driven for special occasions, they would sell like hotcakes and be a huge success. Toyota seems to be in the business of building fun cars now. Look at the new Tacoma. The TRD Pro is just a street legal ATV now. Make the MR2 an affordable street legal Go Cart and they will come. If Toyota can sell the new 2025 Camry with a base price of $28,400 with that engine, there's no reason that an entry level MR2 couldn't be built for well under $40k, I'm thinking more like $35k. I write these comments like this in hopes that Toyota's engineers will read them which they should be doing anyway if they're smart. It's a free source of seeing what their consumers are thinking. And this channel just happens to be run by a Toyota engineer himself. 🙂
I'm beyond thrilled about both cars (assuming this info is credible and accurate), however what would send me over the moon with excitement is if Toyota put the new 2.0 turbo in the next gen 86. That new engine is giving me massive SR20-DET vibes and to essentially having a modern day Silvia (but a Toyota obviously) would be the best possible thing I could ask for!
I want the Celica with GT-S badge and front drive with manual transmission!! I'd buy it the minute it went on sale on one condition price needs to start in the high 20's US.
Surprised they don't make the Celica off the Corolla platform, like it used to be back in the day. Basically a 2 door Corolla, with sporty handling and AWD. This way they can charge less and will sell a lot more samples.
@@lamesamelameThe platform is set to be redesigned really soon based upon history. Will be really surprised if it remains as small as it is considering the size of the competitors and more chassis optimization toward hybrid or electric batteries and motors.
Thank you so much Toyota. I have a GR Yaris at the moment and it is a blast of a car. And the best thing is that it is not ruining me and I can even afford to do the service at the dealer and every time I do, they extend the factory warranty. I would totally buy that MR2 if I can afford it when it comes out. I have been looking at saving money for a Lotus Emira, but I don't want any of the reliability BS of Lotus. Brand new Porsche 718 are totally out of my budget. Since the Nissan Z is not available in EU and I don't really want the BMW supra, a MR2 with 400hp would be perfect for me if it is around or under 70k
Haven't heard much about the new engines other than they are designed for compactness, but I'm definitely curious to know if they will be tuned for ok-ish midrange power like the current 2.4L turbo or if they will be pushed to produce perhaps even more power than the 3cyl used in the GR Corolla.
Excited to see the new MR2. Would be great for autocross. BUT.....what will Toyota do to prevent ridiculous dealer price gouging if it is "limited numbers"
I'm saving up to get an Integra Type S in a couple of years, but settling for it due to the lack of an ICE Toyota or Honda coupe. This changes everything. This is exactly the news I've been waiting for ever since Toyota announced the Supra would be a BMW. Finally, not just one but two gas, manual Toyota coupes.
I think getting both is great at different price points. I think the main reason toyota is doing this is they both share the same base platform/chassis, even though their drive train is different.
Considering spending 50-60k on the new Supra was a huge turnoff for me, thats C7 territory and you get so much more for the $$$. Gonna be interesting to see what the MSRP for the celica and Mr2 will be.
Great news, but you left out the most important part...The Engine Layout??? Are they Transverse or Longitudinal???... I think and hope that the Celica will be Front Longitudinal RWD/ AWD as it will be replacing the Front Longitudinal RWD GR86... I seriously hope and pray that the MR2 has a Mid Longitudinal AWD Layout instead of the previous MR2's Mid Transverse Layout, although this is most unlikely... but one can dream...
By the way, Best Car Magazine also says that this 2.0L turbo 4 engine can be tuned upwards of 600 ps (metric hp) for track use, and that the application for MR2 should have at least 400 ps. So despite the small displacement, it produces power similar to a V-8 engine.
Is the mr2 coming to usa?
Is the Lexus IS likely to be the first model to feature this new engine?
Can be tuned to and comes that way from the factory are worlds apart.
I need the MR2 to come back!! It was my 2nd car and my favorite vehicle I ever owned. It was unstoppable and I never had 1 single issue. I'd buy this again @toyota
You just described the Cayman/Boxster and Lotus Emira.
A turbocharged engine, all wheel drive and a 6 speed stick shift = almost heaven indeed !!! ❤️❤️❤️
Thats my GC8 wrx :) But damn thinking of this mr2...
hopefully, awd only for the celica and not for the mr2 as well(what's the point in calling it the mr2, when the drive train is a 4?)
@@eugenux the 2 stands for 2-seater so it could still be an MR2.
That Mini Landcruiser looks pretty good, kinda reminds me of what Ford did with the Maverick, finally listening to a large part of their customer base and offering us something that’s actually affordable. I’m not gonna hold my breath on the price yet.
@@goofymcadamsmy thought exactly.
Scotty must be salivating
😂😂😂
Oh my God, the secret sauce, all-wheel-drive four banger turbo manual transmission and it’s reliable. It’s a drivers car. Thank you so much Toyota.
I remember when you didn’t have to be a doctor or a lawyer to afford a new sports car.
I think you're commenting this on the wrong video lmfao. This is a toyota product and only about 50k....ish. That's a nice toy for a guy making middleclass income. A very expensive thing to buy as far as wants vs needs go lol....but certainly affordable! hell I will definitely get it and I'm certainly no doctor. Long as I can plug into the internet somewhere I can work
@@andrewjarvis7777 they said $70k not $50k, that’s middle class annual income not middle class weekend toy money. The majority of the middle class has a mortgage a spouse and a couple of kids and no $70k 2 seater Toyotas in the garage. If you can afford it go buy one man I’m sure they’re going to be great but will it be Boxster/Cayman great? Cause that’s what they cost and that’s for a Porsche not a Toyota
Exactly! See my comment regarding that and some other specifics. It start's with "Hey Toyota..."
🤔 That's a hell of a deal. Most new cars are over $40k today. All those Ford pickups you see on the road are more like $60k.
@@Aaron-br1fc $70k for the MR2, $40-$50k for the Celica. And neither of these cars is really meant for someone with a spouse and two kids. Unless you're retired, and your kids are grown up and on their own. These aren't family cars.
Mr 2 and the Celica are surely bringing back a lot of wonderful memories !!! Hat off to Toyota to revive these nameplates !!! ❤️❤️❤️
My first car was a 1977 Celica GT Liftback; Maroon metallic w/tan interior. I drove that car all over the US while serving in the USAF. Great car! I can't wait to see the rebirth of the Celica and MR2!
I hope the 86 and brz brothers will live on as affordable performance cars for younger folks. Both the new MR2 and Celica would be great and I’m happy they’re coming out. $40-50k is too much for most young buyers.
@@noahkim8377 toyota cannot have that many specialty cars at the same time..and so, I believe the gr86 will be retired for a couple of years.
Exactly. They always make these cars too expensive for the demographic that wants them the most…. Young people.
@@ROVA00 I'm an old fart, and I want one. $40-$50k isn't too much. These are the kind of sporty 2-door cars I drove when I was younger, in the early '80s. They disappeared for many years because all the young people want SUVs and pickups today.
As far as I'm aware, they will be keeping the 86 but reworking it with a toyota engine (perhaps even a hybrid). The Supra's days are numbered though
By the way Toyota is supposedly rejoining formula 1.
Haas is talking to Toyota about it, but no confirmation yet.
Soonest would be 2028.
@@f.kieranfinney457 as a full works team yes
I love Toyota, these are great pieces of news for me
40-50k should not be considered affordable. Inflation is nuts.
The average car price even before this inflationary period was $38k in 2019 era. Cheapest new car is what... $18k? If you need transportation, you shouldn't be worrying about anything performance orientated and not your market.
Gotta keep up or join the communists.
Bro, an S2000 in today's money is $60k. 40-50k is a relative steal actually for a decent sportscar.
Wait a couple of years and find a good used one.
Sports cars are rarely profitable. Too few sold. So they’re always expensive. Especially when mid-engined, and light.
Start saving your money boys and girls !!!
yes!
Im still waiting for the RX 9 lol
Very exciting future indeed !!! Just pray to God to bless us with a long, happy and prosperous life to enjoy them all !!! 👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏🥰🥰🥰
Celica!!! My 90 and 93 need a sibling!!
'90s Celicas look stunning and best looking celicas thus far
I think I would give up all the money to get an all wheel drive MR2 in Blue Flame. Please let it happen.
The # 1 question and hope it is designed and totally assembled and made by Toyota.
Gonna start stackin for the MR2 starting today. Can't wait.
Can't wait for this
As a huge 5th and 6th gen Celica fan, I am ecstatic by the prospect of a proper Celica finally returning. So long as the Celica and MR2 are purely Toyota in engineering, design and manufacturing, I think that they will have significantly better positioning from the get go than the current rebadged Subaru and BMW cars sold as Toyotas now. Hopefully a genuine Supra successor replaces the current imposter as well.
A turbo 4 with awd and a manual transmission for the Celica is the most perfect combination. Just like the old GT4’s.
Not happening because Toyota announced they aren’t going to make sports cars by themselves unless it’s a the Lexus LFR or the grand tourer that replaces LC and RC maybe they could go with Mazda, Suzuki or Daihatsu
Very exciting news! I am skeptical that the MR2 will be AWD only. The R meant rear wheel drive after all!
Interesting that the MR2 could take the Supra’s spot as Toyota’s flagship sports car.
Roundabout
Runabout*
Midship Runabout 2 (seater)
Yeah, I’m skeptical as well, but not because of the name, but rather from a mechanical perspective. They’d have to run the front driveshaft through the oil pan or something.
I'd much rather have a Celica or an MR2 than a BMW Supra.
My favorite Toyota was my 1987 Celica GTS in white with a blue interior. If the car does not sit too low to the ground, I could consider it if everything checks the right boxes.
I was driving the Celica GTS 5 speed manual transmission roadster & the 6 speed ( 7th generation?) I liked the 5 speed more ! the wheel spin make sound & tire smoke on road surface make me feels crazy and has a lot of fun !!
thanks for the video.....
David, the Celica and MR2 look incredible. Looking forward to driving each one, and what the market pricing will be for each.
Celica GT Four Group A owner here. Glad to hear it’ll be petrol & manual. 🎉
Very good looking vehicle!
Can't wait. Love them
The MR2 will be RWD, and the Celica will be AWD as some of its previous iteration was.
Damn Mr2 looking fine.
Beautiful!!
If the MR2 looks like this, it's going to need a body kit.
MR2 would be intetresting.
Who would have thought Toyota would lead the revival of proper sports cars? Thank you (from a very happy GR Yaris owner).
That's mr2 look stunning !
Still rocking my 1993 mr2
93 Celica still running like new
@@mrldjohnston5736 hold onto it brother
@@reevert8278 trying to restore her and keep her 100
Excellent! I'm rocking an 03 Spyder
The MR2 and the Celica will be marked up by dealerships to oblivion, hope they produce a lot of the Celica at least. Otherwise it will become another supra.
The Supra not selling well has to do more with dealership gouging that anything else, Toyota needs to get a hand on this, its killing all sports cars.
Beautiful cars 👊
A mention of the estimated kerb weight of each of these cars would be handy as well since sports car enthusiasts will likely use that knowledge on the race track to their advantage.
My 88 MR2 Super Charger will hopefully one day be joined by the MK4 if it turns out as good as I hope.
I had an 86 supercharged! That was the most fun car I have ever owned! There was nothing better than driving on the back roads around Sydney on the weekend having the T-tops off, music up and the supercharger screaming behind my ear!
My theory is the MR2 replaces Supra and Celica replaces GR86
Wait that doesn't seem to work out right the BMW Supra is it's own type of cat the Celica is a half gt half rally car (or it was ) gr86 is kinda the drift car
A new Supra will come out and there'll be a Three Brothers like Toyoda had said he wanted.
I think the 86 with the 1.6 will replace the Supra then the Mr2 will come in and that Sfr but not sure where the Celica will fit in
@@ytsux9259it’ll be the Miata competitor, SFR.
SFR, Celica, MR2.
Good theory
They really need to make the MR2 a T top
I can’t imagine anybody paying 70-80k usd for a 2L 4cyl on any brand, let alone Toyota
Maybe you’ve heard of a little company called…Porsche? Or perhaps…Lotus? VW and Audi have very sporty cars with a 1.8.
As your girlfriend knows, size isn’t everything.
The new C63 AMG is a 2.0 4cly
@@vindevhunta4905yeah and nobody liked the 4 cylinder c63. Not to mention that it’s also a hybrid.
@@vindevhunta4905 And they're bringing back the V8; I wonder why....
@@f.kieranfinney457 True. Is anybody paying $80k+ for them?
Both of those protoypes of the Celica and MR2 are just gorgeous man! 6 speed manual, gas-powered engine and it's a slam dunk.
David, from an engineering perspective, how would Toyota go about adding AWD to a mid-engined transverse engine? The transaxle would be to the rear of the engine, so it seems the driveshaft would have to go through the oil pan, but I don’t know that there’s clearance for that. I find the rumors of an AWD MR2 hard to believe. If it were hybrid, they could add electric motors up front, but I struggle with how they would do this from a purely mechanical perspective. I can’t think of any other non-hybrid AWD mid-engined car with a transverse engine.
That’s nice!
MR2 render looks cool, but need to see some open air option (T-top, targa, something) to land it for me
@ 4:48 to 4:54 mins TimeFrame Looks Great!
Hallo and thank you so much for the video I was wondering is there any news about convertible Celica?
That MR2 has a lot of similar styling cues from the LFA
Toyota insane Game changing
Looks sweet.
Two cool cars
So this will kill off the GR86 as the performance difference will be different 😊 exciting stuff cheers from 🇦🇺Oz
That`s good NEWS!!!!
These cars will be worth collecting.
2018 Z06 sounds so good right now.
Yes, any one know if the Prelude coming to US? (Competitor to Celica)
I couldn't afford an Mr2 when it first came out and I won't be able to afford one now that I'm retired. It's just a pipe dream for me. Maybe they'll make an RC Model I can play with..
90, 92, 93 all trac turbo celica, 2004 7th gen TRD 6pd + my 2023 6pd GR Supra and now I’m ready for another Celica. Does t make sense that the MR2 is AWD and in a higher tier than the Celica
i would LOVE a Celica GT!!!
More than just good news, this is phenomenal . Toyota is smokin' hot.
Nice…I hope the MR2 has more head room than the Supra that I can’t fit in because I’ll buy the MR2 for my daily but it sounds like the Celica might be big enough for me and will likely be the better vehicle for my needs.
I Know that “GR” is their thing, but I’d really like to see the Dragon logo and Eagle logo come back as the main logo for the Celica and MR2.
Great to know the years of rumors of a new MR2 wasn't all for not. Hopefully the styling will leverage much of the look of the SW20. IMHO, it was the best looking of all three generations. My fingers are crossed that T-tops (or even a targa) will be on the option list. Also, bring back the Celica with an Alltrac variant to compete with the Subaru WRX!
A revived MR2 - love to hear it.
Happy, it is not an EV, but - sry - AWD is for a small sporty car is a questionable decision, sport cars are RWD, everything else is mainly driving up the weight and cost.
Hope they find a solution for the snap oversteer problem that destroyed many of the MR2s.
I'm not convinced the layout mentioned is a good decision, makes a small car even more expensive than the BMW-Supra:; as I fear, an 80K-MR2 will diminish any chances for a new MR2 to become a successful product, sry...
I hope they both come out in 2026 and wouldn't be surprised if they made the Celica All trak available in 2027 and with the FJ Cruiser coming out soon maybe this will be what i can look at to purchase in the next few years , I think your right about the Supra, people want a 100% Toyota built sports coupe, BMW built nice sporty fast cars , just aren't reliable and cost a bucket load of money to repair or maintain, great video David 👍
I owned an 86 MR2 and welcome the new model along with the Celica. Toyota needs these exciting models in their lineup. I hope there is a more moderately priced model as the MR2 was always about affordable ( Miata priced) sports car excitement.
The thumbnail is evidence designers have forgotten what tires are for.
Oh yes, yes, triple yes!!
Hey Toyota! What would be best for those of us who don't have over $50,000 incomes, is a version of one of these that is an all Toyota replacement for the GR86, with the 2.0 turbo, rear wheel drive (maybe with optional all wheel), and a starting price around $30,000. Keep it simple, keep it light (under 3000 Lbs), 6 speed manual, Manual adjusting seats, limited electronics and gizmos, preferably rear seat room for two average sized adults, at least for short trips (unlike the GR86/BRZ twins), and Reliable! This CAN be done! And it would restore faith in Toyota fans (my 83 Celica was one of my favorite and most memorable cars, even though it needed more power). 🙏🙏🙏
My first car was an MR2...I'm eager to see this
If the MR2 does come out and is in the US it'll be great. Porsche has already said 2025 is the last year for the Cayman/Boxster as an ICE vehicle, so a mid-engine vehicle with similar power output as the GTS and GT4 models (not GT4RS) and AWD at a cheaper price would be great for enthusiasts looking for a replacement. Really looking forward to more news on the MR2 moving forward.
At US$40-50k, the Celica looks to be aimed at the Nissan Z, but lighter and AWD. Sounds good to me. I was planning to get a BRZ next year, but I might have to wait and save up a little more.
$70-80k for the MR2? The "affordable" and reliable mid-engine sports car? Yeah, no. AWD?! Unnecessary weight and will remove from the experience. There better be T-TOPS on that too. And pop up headlights, especially considering how EASY it would be to get around the so-called regulations. They need to sit down their designers, show them a SW20, and the tell the designers THAT is what the enthusiasts want. Do not let another Supra like mistake happen. That 4-cyl better put out some big numbers, AMG 4-cyl like numbers if they're charging $80k for a Toyota. And would it kill Toyota to put not just one, but multiple crazy cool wild colors on their sports cars? And finally... hopefully the car is produced to meet demand, no bottlenecks, and thus price is controlled at stealerships, and designed so someone over 6' tall can get in and out of it without smashing their head like with the Supra roof.
SW20 FTW
I'm happy the MR2 is coming back, but I was really hoping it would have the 2.5L 5th gen hybrid engine that the new Camry has. That would be a real hoot to drive. Just mash and go! No gears to get in the way. Just set up the corner, hang on for dear life, and gently power your way out of it. never having to let go of the steering wheel to grab a shifter. Super fun on a twisty road and could drive circles around the 2L turbo engine model with the 6 speed. And much more predictable power delivery than the turbo engine, especially important in a mid engine car. How do I know? I had a mid engine sports car and you can get yourself into trouble really quick if you power out of a corner too aggressively and do a complete spin around. I've done it. Also, I own an 8th gen Camry hybrid so I am very familiar with the 2.5L hybrid powertrain. And I also own a Mazda Miata NA, one of the most balanced fun to drive sports cars on the planet. Since I got the hybrid Camry, I've always wished that powertrain could be in a sports car because the power delivery is so smooth and powerful. If that engine was in a MR2, it would be an amazingly fun combination. Not only that, it would probably get around 60 mpg while planting many smiles per miles on your face. When Toyota finally comes out with the MR2 Hybrid, you will see what I mean. I just hope Toyota is smart enough to use the A25A 2.5L hybrid engine from the Camry, and no the 2.0L or the 1.8L hybrid powertrains from the Prius and Corolla. The 2.5L hybrid engine is the best hybrid engine Toyota has for power and efficiency bar none. If they had put that engine in the Corolla instead of the 1.8L hybrid, the Corolla could have got near 60 mpg and got to 60 mph in 6 seconds or less.
Bro, you're getting high on your own supply.
Your car's 208hp from a heavy engine would be a terrible match for a sportscar. The economy isn't that good either 44/47/46 for the upper Camry trims. You have a nice car and enjoy it that's great but people don't care about fuel economy in a sportscar that doesn't see too many miles anyway. What enthusiasts want is high power and light weight. That's why Toyota has developed this new 2.0T. They know what they are doing!
@@bearclaw5115 I may be "high on my own supply," but it's because I know I'm right. The 2.5L A25A FXS naturally aspirated Hybrid powerplant would be perfect for a sports car. And the new 5th gen version of it even more so. As far as it being too heavy, remember it doesn't have the 6 speed transmission and turbo/intercooler that the 2.0T setup does. So I think weight would be similar. It would require a traction battery, but the Li-Ion battery pack in my Camry weighs 70 lbs. and could be placed between the front axle and passenger cell for a great weight distribution. And that would be a better weight distribution than the AWD setup that is currently being proposed because the weight is closer to center.
A turbo engine has no place in a mid engine sports car. If the boost comes on too strong while coming out of a corner the car will go flying into a spin. Very dangerous. The naturally aspirated 2.5L Hybrid powertrain has linear power delivery. Perfect for a mid engine sports car. Have you ever driven a go cart on a track? Go carts don't have gears that you have to row through. It's just mash and go. Great fun! The MR2 doesn't need AWD either. RWD in a sports car/go cart is a much more desirable setup. As far as fuel economy not mattering to "enthusiasts?" I am an enthusiast. But I can't afford a "special purpose" car that isn't practical for the "rest" of my life. I've owned my NA Miata for 31 years. I drove it over 200k miles commuting to work. I did that while I raised my family. I could do it because that was "my" car and it only carried "me" to work. It was great fun to get to and from work, put a big smile on my face, and was very cheap transportation. I had the family car for the family, which always happened to be a Camry, but the affordable commute car for work, which was my Miata. I'm retired now and still have it.
Regarding the fuel economy. The hybrid engine in my 2018 Camry LE is rated 51/52/53 mpg. Weight and wheels matter as this same engine in the 2018 XSE Camry is only rated 44/46/47. If this engine was in a lighter mid engine sports car it could easily achieve 57 mpg no problem. The 5th gen 2.5 hybrid engine puts out 225 hp, and I'm sure Toyota can massage more hp out of it as they do when the put this powerplant in different models. I can easily see 260 hp possible without too much effort.
Fuel mileage does matter to many of us. If Toyota were to make the MR2 attractive to the masses, and not just a specialty car only driven for special occasions, they would sell like hotcakes and be a huge success.
Toyota seems to be in the business of building fun cars now. Look at the new Tacoma. The TRD Pro is just a street legal ATV now. Make the MR2 an affordable street legal Go Cart and they will come. If Toyota can sell the new 2025 Camry with a base price of $28,400 with that engine, there's no reason that an entry level MR2 couldn't be built for well under $40k, I'm thinking more like $35k.
I write these comments like this in hopes that Toyota's engineers will read them which they should be doing anyway if they're smart. It's a free source of seeing what their consumers are thinking. And this channel just happens to be run by a Toyota engineer himself. 🙂
I wish availability was better on existing models. Many hybrids are still scarce and have big markups over MSRP in N. California.
I'm beyond thrilled about both cars (assuming this info is credible and accurate), however what would send me over the moon with excitement is if Toyota put the new 2.0 turbo in the next gen 86. That new engine is giving me massive SR20-DET vibes and to essentially having a modern day Silvia (but a Toyota obviously) would be the best possible thing I could ask for!
That 2.0L looks pretty…hope it keeps the red value cover. Love the Celica and MR2 brands but these designs already look dated, if not generic.
I feel like MR2 should be RWD and Celica should be AWD
I want the Celica with GT-S badge and front drive with manual transmission!! I'd buy it the minute it went on sale on one condition price needs to start in the high 20's US.
Surprised they don't make the Celica off the Corolla platform, like it used to be back in the day. Basically a 2 door Corolla, with sporty handling and AWD. This way they can charge less and will sell a lot more samples.
They don't have to engineer much because Toyota's TNGA-C is the platform that underpins various models; Corolla , GR Corolla, C-HR, Prius.
@@lamesamelameThe platform is set to be redesigned really soon based upon history. Will be really surprised if it remains as small as it is considering the size of the competitors and more chassis optimization toward hybrid or electric batteries and motors.
What could this mean for the 86 range?
Thank you so much Toyota. I have a GR Yaris at the moment and it is a blast of a car. And the best thing is that it is not ruining me and I can even afford to do the service at the dealer and every time I do, they extend the factory warranty.
I would totally buy that MR2 if I can afford it when it comes out. I have been looking at saving money for a Lotus Emira, but I don't want any of the reliability BS of Lotus. Brand new Porsche 718 are totally out of my budget. Since the Nissan Z is not available in EU and I don't really want the BMW supra, a MR2 with 400hp would be perfect for me if it is around or under 70k
Haven't heard much about the new engines other than they are designed for compactness, but I'm definitely curious to know if they will be tuned for ok-ish midrange power like the current 2.4L turbo or if they will be pushed to produce perhaps even more power than the 3cyl used in the GR Corolla.
Make the twin charger setup available as option in Hakone color.
Excited to see the new MR2. Would be great for autocross. BUT.....what will Toyota do to prevent ridiculous dealer price gouging if it is "limited numbers"
I think if they will be all wheel drive only there should be a way for the driver to control the torque split.
Manual transmission…. My left foot is happy 🦶
Former owner that built a 2zz turbo MR2 Spyder here. Id buy a 400-500hp MR2 for 70k. Cheaper than an Emria and more reliable. Just wish it was RWD.
I definitely buy one. But let’s see how much
I'm saving up to get an Integra Type S in a couple of years, but settling for it due to the lack of an ICE Toyota or Honda coupe. This changes everything. This is exactly the news I've been waiting for ever since Toyota announced the Supra would be a BMW. Finally, not just one but two gas, manual Toyota coupes.
I want Honda to bring back the s2000 now that they retired the need NSX
It is easy to imagine that the new MR2 will likely be sold exclusively in Japan and that it will sell out quickly once pre-orders begin.
I think getting both is great at different price points. I think the main reason toyota is doing this is they both share the same base platform/chassis, even though their drive train is different.
give me that celiac meow
I’m sure the Celica at least is a response to Hondas Prelude being re-released.
Considering spending 50-60k on the new Supra was a huge turnoff for me, thats C7 territory and you get so much more for the $$$.
Gonna be interesting to see what the MSRP for the celica and Mr2 will be.
Sounds excellent, I wonder if people will wait though cause of the new engine to prove itself?
will the celica have a MT as well or just the mr2
limited production "priced" at 70-80k? Yeah, its gonna cost >100k in reality.
Nah, I think more like $40-50K.
if it 100k++ you better buy supercar at that point
@@ytsux9259 no way bro, probably starting at 75k if we are lucky
Great news, but you left out the most important part...The Engine Layout??? Are they Transverse or Longitudinal???...
I think and hope that the Celica will be Front Longitudinal RWD/ AWD as it will be replacing the Front Longitudinal RWD GR86...
I seriously hope and pray that the MR2 has a Mid Longitudinal AWD Layout instead of the previous MR2's Mid Transverse Layout, although this is most unlikely... but one can dream...
The world is ready
The strain on the small 4 Banger with a turbo, should be considered.
It’s not 1995 anymore
Listening to too much Scotty😂 it's simple make the freaking internals stronger