When Jeff Skinner got hammered in front of the bench he just sat there, hoping for a penalty. But it looked like McDavid was trying to get on but couldn't because Skinner sat there. And that's part of the reason Bouchard got left alone. But man, Bouch needs to get that pick out. Yeesh.
For the purposes of interpreting “distinct kicking motion” it is not what may look like a kick but is defined as a motion which propels the puck into the net. Basically inducing energy into the puck propelling it. You can make a motion resembling a kick if the puck is deflected. It’s not about the look of the motion but if the motion propels the puck.
Game 31. Long post follows with base game statistics including some for the Florida Panthers. Read, don't read, up to you. These are BASE stats not detailed ones like the Cult of Hockey compiles. My comments and observations at the end. Statistics for Florida Panthers at Edmonton Oilers December 16th, 2024 Edmonton Oilers: Hyman 2 Goals C Brown 1 Goal Draisaitl 1 Goal (PP), 1 Secondary Assist Kapanen 1 Goal McDavid 3 Primary Assists (1 on PP) Bouchard 1 Secondary Assist Ekholm 1 Secondary Assist (PP) Perry 1 Primary Assist Kulak 1 Primary Assist Skinner 22 Saves on 28 Shots = .786 Save %age (O U C H!) Florida Panthers: Boqvist 1 Goal (Shortie) Tkachuk 1 Goal (Kicked it in but) (PP) Forsling 1 Goal Mikkola 1 Goal, 1 Secondary Assist Reinhart 1 Goal, 1 Secondary Assist (PP) Verhaeghe 1 Goal (GWG), 1 Primary Assist (PP) Bennett 1 Primary Assist Lundell 2 Primary Assists Ekblad 1 Secondary Assist Luostarinen 1 Secondary Assist Bobrovsky 25 Saves on 30 Shots = .833 Save %age (not Great) Panthers Oilers Shots on Goal 28 30 Hits 39 21 Faceoffs Won 27 38 PP 1/4 1/3 Penalty Mins 11 13 Giveaways 16 (12 per NST) 16 (12 per NST) Takeaways 3 4 Blocked Shots 13 (7 per NST) 15 (12 per NST) 3 Stars: 3-McDavid (3A), 2-Hyman (2G), 1-Reinhart (1G, 1A) Player TOI PP TOI PK TOI SOG +/- PIM Hits Blocks Giveaways Takeaways Ekholm 22:400:434:22 4 0 0 0 2 1 0 Bouchard 22:253:130:00 4 -2 2 1 1 1 0 Nurse 20:350:270:16 1 1 6 1 0 1 0 Kulak 20:270:001:34 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 Emberson 15:440:004:30 0 0 0 4 3 0 1 Stecher 14:560:001:25 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 McDavid 23:003:520:00 0 -2 0 0 0 2 0 Nuge 17:003:333:10 2 1 0 1 0 0 0 Draisaitl 18:593:300:00 3 -2 0 1 0 0 1 Hyman 17:502:580:00 6 0 0 0 0 1 0 Henrique 16:010:043:21 0 -2 0 1 2 3 0 Janmark 14:340:002:10 1 -1 0 0 0 1 0 Kapanen 14:330:000:34 2 0 0 2 1 0 0 C Brown 11:330:002:12 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 J Skinner 12:580:240:00 0 -1 0 0 1 0 2 Podkolzin 14:330:000:31 3 1 5 5 1 1 0 Perry 11:030:580:00 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 Ryan 10:160:000:07 0 0 0 2 1 1 0 Oilers Faceoff Breakdown: Won Lost Percent Draisaitl 15 7 68.2 Nuge 7 2 77.8 Henrique 7 6 53.8 McDavid 5 7 41.7 Ryan 4 3 57.1 Janmark 0 1 0.00 Brown 0 1 0.00 Panthers's Faceoff Breakdown: Won Lost Percent Lundell 7 5 58.3 Bennett 7 14 33.3 Reinhart 6 10 37.5 Nosek 5 2 71.4 Rodrigues 1 2 33.3 Boqvist 1 3 25.0 Verhaeghe 0 2 0.00
Surgery still postponed so here are some stats. Again, I can't watch the games. What follows is my opinion. What a positively wretched game. Oh it was high scoring on both sides but the defensive collapse and the goalies inabilities to keep things out of the twine made it like a game of 5 year olds. Stats analysis: Leon had his 6th consecutive multipoint game. Hyman scored twice then took a slapshot to the face going off until he returned with a full face shield. Hyman got his 200th goal of his career in the 2nd period. Look, this one was ugly on many fronts. Too many penalties, a Bouch cough up less than 3 minutes into the game gives up a shortie, at one point the Oilers were up 4 to 2 and then boom, 3 in a row for Florida then Edmonton got one to tie it up before Verhaeghe got his 9th of the year and no more goals went in. Oilers had slightly more shots, almost half the hits, won 11 more faceoffs, got a Powerplay goal (so did Florida and they got a Shortie), everything else was pretty much a wash. Couldn't watch or listen to this one as I was at a Christmas Party. Just going from what I get afterwards. What I think is a team that didn't come to play facing one that decided to play. Take care all.
...the OIL self destruct worse than they have at any other time over the last couple of months and FLA can only scrape out a one goal win. Big picture... I wouldn't be too worried. That said, gotta agree that Knobby could have coached better in that one. The lack of using the time out to re focus the team on playing some defense was on him.
David you should take your HDMI cable out of your cable box and plug it into your laptop instead. That way you can watch on your TV. If you have a wireless mouse you can sit back on the couch with a mouse pad and rewind from there. Not ideal, but might make the viewing experience slightly better.
I'd say Bouchard and Skinner(s) were the Achilles heels last night. And that Tkachuk, just like he was in that vehicle advertisement. A lot of feigning was going on. Hope Hymen will continue to be okay
I love how they keep bringing up the J Skinner contract. I don’t hate the player but he seems to disappear or crumble during playoff style regular season games, what’s going to happen when the actual playoffs roll around? Does anyone see him with the correct skillset for bottom 6? Maybe he just is what he’s always been, a good top 6 winger on a non playoff team… trade bait perhaps?
I wish coach would start pulling Skinner when you can Clearly SEE he is now going to loose the game for you Even its part way through the 1st period Part way through the 2nd period Even if its still tied But Stwey is letting them pucks right in
Your 100 percent right I have been saying it also skinner is not and never be a number one goalie over the shoulder or over the glove freebies it’s sickening to continually have to see this happen they’ll never win the the cup with skimmer in net . It’s sad , I love the Oilers
Refs ruined this one. I don’t get how Florida gets away with it. Other culprits: ice? If so then some panthers would have fallen too, no? Bouchard? Stopped at least as many chances as he allowed. I’d say Emberson was a bigger liability. Skinner? Hasn’t mastered the RVH despite his master tutelage under the legendary Dustin Schwarz. Knob even mentioned his stellar work! Speaking of Knob, why no timeout after 4-3 and Skinner was beginning to meltdown? We all could see how this was shaping up. What about at 5-5 when cautious play would at least have garnered one point? No. Wait until there’s 7 seconds left. Because that’s really enough time to do something surprising. Master strategy. Ultimately though, Florida is a smarter team and they clearly were saving up for this matchup. Not sure how to beat them.
On the last 2 goals, MacDavid gave the puck up that left Eckholm in no-mans-land for the Reinhart goal. The Verhaege goal was completely on MacDavid not taking Verhaege who was MacDavid's man.
Legit, if this was 10+ years ago... Bouchard would be getting wrung out by hockey pundits and media for the insanely bad D mistakes he consistently makes. Softer times and Kid Gloves lets this dude Live Action Role Play (LARP) the position of D with a free pass. He's basically a fourth forward on the ice. I'd bet you money that Nugent-Hopkins could role swap to D and play just as good. If not better down low. Not to mention the Left side D frequently has to go to his side for puck dump in's. Pure babysitting.
amazing to be so close- but could have won and that would have been important. `GM did a lot of tinkering w a successful team ; OUT McLeod, Holloway, Foegele, Broberg, Desharnais, Ceci, Carrick Lavoie IN Skinner, Arvidsson, Henrique, Brown(Bako), Dermott(Bako), Regula(Injured), Stecher, Lost speed & the new $$ IN just has not been paying the bills so far fully ON MGT. Refs bad
I love hockey so much I keep watching, always frustrating how the referee’s can Alter a game with inconsistent calls sometimes deciding which team wins and aren’t held accountable, even the ego unsportsmanlike conduct call on nurse 4min penalty, have thicker skin less sensitive referee
Unbelievable, man….The Oilers totally outplayed the Panthers tonight, but of course, the refs were totally biased, calling all the soft penalties against us. You could see it…every time we had a chance to break through, some random non-call or weak penalty screws us over. It’s ridiculous. If the Oilers didn’t have to play against the refs AND the Panthers, we would’ve crushed them. Florida’s nothing compared to us anyway. Let’s be real, we should’ve won the Cup last year.. but injuries, bad luck, and, yeah, some bad officiating kept us from lifting it. But this year? It’s OUR year. We have the most firepower in the league, and everyone knows it. And don't even get me started on Calgary losing to Florida too. Can you imagine? They couldn’t even hang with the Panthers, and they still think they’re contenders. Meanwhile, the Oilers are built for greatness. You know the Panthers can’t keep up with McDavid and Draisaitl, so don’t even act like this game means anything. We’re just biding our time until the playoffs, where we’ll show everyone who the real powerhouse is. Florida's just lucky tonight.
I've been saying the ice yas looked bad for a while (ask Fleury). They used to say Edmonton had the best ice. If they say that now, I pity the rest of the league.
The ice doesn’t look as good as it used to partly cause the technology around the league has made everyone else’s more comparable. That said, it’s the same ice for both teams and it looked like only one had a problem with it lol. The equipment guys have been around since the decade of darkness… maybe it’s time they go too, they probably have more control over the game than Schwartz lol
@@IBleedOil84 It is absolutely the same bad ice for both teams, but good ice used to be an advantage to good skating and passing teams. A true home ice advantage.
The ice at Rogers has been crap all year! The oilers are a puck possession team. It’s unacceptable! About guys getting it in deep. That’s floridas aggression. They force teams into panic plays with physicality. Oil need more of this style of play. Sorry they just do! Finesse is fine, but some heavy forechecking will go a long way. Dunno guess they aren’t that team anymore.
Holy moley. Quit your crying about the supposed "snub". Hyman wasn't playing nearly well enough to make Team Canada. You should take the "snub" as a blessing because it seems to have given him the motivation he'd been missing up until now.
NHL , learn to follow your own rules. How was Tkachuk lifting his skate and kicking at the puck be allowed as a goal. WTF. Could get dangerous if players start lifting their skates in front of the net. Trying to get a kick deflection on net.
The 4 nations tournament is a meaningless, made up event. I wish more Oilers could get rest for the real tournament than having to play in this silly event. Whining about the snubs is missing the silver lining …
Panthers won because they play a more structured mature game, and have more consistent D play, and a way better Goalie. That garbage ball call on the goal was a factor, but just a tiny little one. The usual suspects just didn't deliver when push comes to shove (Both Skinners and Bouchard). Oilers lost because they found ways to lose. Again.
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When Jeff Skinner got hammered in front of the bench he just sat there, hoping for a penalty. But it looked like McDavid was trying to get on but couldn't because Skinner sat there. And that's part of the reason Bouchard got left alone. But man, Bouch needs to get that pick out. Yeesh.
I liked Stecher's play, he's good, so's Emberson
The difference is coming up big and making the save
Yes you heard right. Amazon broadcast might as well been the local Miami media broadcast.
For the purposes of interpreting “distinct kicking motion” it is not what may look like a kick but is defined as a motion which propels the puck into the net. Basically inducing energy into the puck propelling it. You can make a motion resembling a kick if the puck is deflected. It’s not about the look of the motion but if the motion propels the puck.
Imagine Bouchard on team Canada playing like tonight in the gold metal game😂😂😂. I'm glad he not going, just breaks Crosbys nose lol
It sure would be embarrassing!…I’m glad he won’t be there also!
Game 31. Long post follows with base game statistics including some for the Florida Panthers. Read, don't read, up to you. These are BASE stats not detailed ones like the Cult of Hockey compiles. My comments and observations at the end.
Statistics for Florida Panthers at Edmonton Oilers December 16th, 2024
Edmonton Oilers:
Hyman 2 Goals
C Brown 1 Goal
Draisaitl 1 Goal (PP), 1 Secondary Assist
Kapanen 1 Goal
McDavid 3 Primary Assists (1 on PP)
Bouchard 1 Secondary Assist
Ekholm 1 Secondary Assist (PP)
Perry 1 Primary Assist
Kulak 1 Primary Assist
Skinner 22 Saves on 28 Shots = .786 Save %age (O U C H!)
Florida Panthers:
Boqvist 1 Goal (Shortie)
Tkachuk 1 Goal (Kicked it in but) (PP)
Forsling 1 Goal
Mikkola 1 Goal, 1 Secondary Assist
Reinhart 1 Goal, 1 Secondary Assist (PP)
Verhaeghe 1 Goal (GWG), 1 Primary Assist (PP)
Bennett 1 Primary Assist
Lundell 2 Primary Assists
Ekblad 1 Secondary Assist
Luostarinen 1 Secondary Assist
Bobrovsky 25 Saves on 30 Shots = .833 Save %age (not Great)
Panthers Oilers
Shots on Goal 28 30
Hits 39 21
Faceoffs Won 27 38
PP 1/4 1/3
Penalty Mins 11 13
Giveaways 16 (12 per NST) 16 (12 per NST)
Takeaways 3 4
Blocked Shots 13 (7 per NST) 15 (12 per NST)
3 Stars: 3-McDavid (3A), 2-Hyman (2G), 1-Reinhart (1G, 1A)
Player TOI PP TOI PK TOI SOG +/- PIM Hits Blocks Giveaways Takeaways
Ekholm 22:40 0:43 4:22 4 0 0 0 2 1 0
Bouchard 22:25 3:13 0:00 4 -2 2 1 1 1 0
Nurse 20:35 0:27 0:16 1 1 6 1 0 1 0
Kulak 20:27 0:00 1:34 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
Emberson 15:44 0:00 4:30 0 0 0 4 3 0 1
Stecher 14:56 0:00 1:25 1 0 0 1 1 0 0
McDavid 23:00 3:52 0:00 0 -2 0 0 0 2 0
Nuge 17:00 3:33 3:10 2 1 0 1 0 0 0
Draisaitl 18:59 3:30 0:00 3 -2 0 1 0 0 1
Hyman 17:50 2:58 0:00 6 0 0 0 0 1 0
Henrique 16:01 0:04 3:21 0 -2 0 1 2 3 0
Janmark 14:34 0:00 2:10 1 -1 0 0 0 1 0
Kapanen 14:33 0:00 0:34 2 0 0 2 1 0 0
C Brown 11:33 0:00 2:12 1 1 0 1 1 0 0
J Skinner 12:58 0:24 0:00 0 -1 0 0 1 0 2
Podkolzin 14:33 0:00 0:31 3 1 5 5 1 1 0
Perry 11:03 0:58 0:00 0 1 0 1 1 0 0
Ryan 10:16 0:00 0:07 0 0 0 2 1 1 0
Oilers Faceoff Breakdown:
Won Lost Percent
Draisaitl 15 7 68.2
Nuge 7 2 77.8
Henrique 7 6 53.8
McDavid 5 7 41.7
Ryan 4 3 57.1
Janmark 0 1 0.00
Brown 0 1 0.00
Panthers's Faceoff Breakdown:
Won Lost Percent
Lundell 7 5 58.3
Bennett 7 14 33.3
Reinhart 6 10 37.5
Nosek 5 2 71.4
Rodrigues 1 2 33.3
Boqvist 1 3 25.0
Verhaeghe 0 2 0.00
Surgery still postponed so here are some stats. Again, I can't watch the games. What follows is my opinion.
What a positively wretched game. Oh it was high scoring on both sides but the defensive collapse and the goalies inabilities to keep things out of the twine made it like a game of 5 year olds.
Stats analysis: Leon had his 6th consecutive multipoint game. Hyman scored twice then took a slapshot to the face going off until he returned with a full face shield. Hyman got his 200th goal of his career in the 2nd period. Look, this one was ugly on many fronts. Too many penalties, a Bouch cough up less than 3 minutes into the game gives up a shortie, at one point the Oilers were up 4 to 2 and then boom, 3 in a row for Florida then Edmonton got one to tie it up before Verhaeghe got his 9th of the year and no more goals went in.
Oilers had slightly more shots, almost half the hits, won 11 more faceoffs, got a Powerplay goal (so did Florida and they got a Shortie), everything else was pretty much a wash.
Couldn't watch or listen to this one as I was at a Christmas Party. Just going from what I get afterwards. What I think is a team that didn't come to play facing one that decided to play.
Take care all.
...the OIL self destruct worse than they have at any other time over the last couple of months and FLA can only scrape out a one goal win. Big picture... I wouldn't be too worried.
That said, gotta agree that Knobby could have coached better in that one. The lack of using the time out to re focus the team on playing some defense was on him.
I watch the Amazon broadcast muted, just turn on ched for a good broadcast. Only thing is it’s about 30 seconds behind the game.
David you should take your HDMI cable out of your cable box and plug it into your laptop instead. That way you can watch on your TV. If you have a wireless mouse you can sit back on the couch with a mouse pad and rewind from there. Not ideal, but might make the viewing experience slightly better.
I'd say Bouchard and Skinner(s) were the Achilles heels last night. And that Tkachuk, just like he was in that vehicle advertisement. A lot of feigning was going on. Hope Hymen will continue to be okay
Yes, thank you, Dino!
I don’t know about anyone else but that was a PTS response from the playoffs.
Yes the Pom poms for Florida drove me crazy!
Very nice!
I love how they keep bringing up the J Skinner contract. I don’t hate the player but he seems to disappear or crumble during playoff style regular season games, what’s going to happen when the actual playoffs roll around? Does anyone see him with the correct skillset for bottom 6? Maybe he just is what he’s always been, a good top 6 winger on a non playoff team… trade bait perhaps?
Evan Bouchard is making so many stupid plays this year it's unreal.
Because of prime I can’t get the Oilers game in LA without spending near $100
I wish coach would start pulling Skinner when you can Clearly SEE he is now going to loose the game for you Even its part way through the 1st period Part way through the 2nd period Even if its still tied But Stwey is letting them pucks right in
Your 100 percent right I have been saying it also skinner is not and never be a number one goalie over the shoulder or over the glove freebies it’s sickening to continually have to see this happen they’ll never win the the cup with skimmer in net . It’s sad , I love the Oilers
Refs ruined this one. I don’t get how Florida gets away with it.
Other culprits: ice? If so then some panthers would have fallen too, no?
Bouchard? Stopped at least as many chances as he allowed. I’d say Emberson was a bigger liability.
Skinner? Hasn’t mastered the RVH despite his master tutelage under the legendary Dustin Schwarz. Knob even mentioned his stellar work! Speaking of Knob, why no timeout after 4-3 and Skinner was beginning to meltdown? We all could see how this was shaping up. What about at 5-5 when cautious play would at least have garnered one point? No. Wait until there’s 7 seconds left. Because that’s really enough time to do something surprising. Master strategy.
Ultimately though, Florida is a smarter team and they clearly were saving up for this matchup. Not sure how to beat them.
On the last 2 goals, MacDavid gave the puck up that left Eckholm in no-mans-land for the Reinhart goal.
The Verhaege goal was completely on MacDavid not taking Verhaege who was MacDavid's man.
This was a 100% PANTHER POM POM PODCAST including the refs to a certain extent!!! Weird game, very frustrating!!!
I'm here for the bad things. I don't care about anything good after that 😂😂
As good as Edmonton offense is. They still lack the killer instinct .
With 2 goal lead , they showed their lack of tenacity. Specially on defense.
I've never been so upset after an Oilers loss this season!!!😠
Legit, if this was 10+ years ago... Bouchard would be getting wrung out by hockey pundits and media for the insanely bad D mistakes he consistently makes. Softer times and Kid Gloves lets this dude Live Action Role Play (LARP) the position of D with a free pass. He's basically a fourth forward on the ice.
I'd bet you money that Nugent-Hopkins could role swap to D and play just as good. If not better down low.
Not to mention the Left side D frequently has to go to his side for puck dump in's. Pure babysitting.
Skinner sucked the big one last night. Oilers need a real #1 in nets if they ever want to win a cup
Is it against the rules to call tripping and hooking against the Panthers?
amazing to be so close- but could have won and that would have been important. `GM did a lot of tinkering w a successful team ; OUT McLeod, Holloway, Foegele, Broberg, Desharnais, Ceci, Carrick
Lavoie IN Skinner, Arvidsson, Henrique, Brown(Bako), Dermott(Bako), Regula(Injured), Stecher,
Lost speed & the new $$ IN just has not been paying the bills so far fully ON MGT. Refs bad
I love hockey so much I keep watching, always frustrating how the referee’s can Alter a game with inconsistent calls sometimes deciding which team wins and aren’t held accountable, even the ego unsportsmanlike conduct call on nurse 4min penalty, have thicker skin less sensitive referee
Unbelievable, man….The Oilers totally outplayed the Panthers tonight, but of course, the refs were totally biased, calling all the soft penalties against us. You could see it…every time we had a chance to break through, some random non-call or weak penalty screws us over. It’s ridiculous. If the Oilers didn’t have to play against the refs AND the Panthers, we would’ve crushed them. Florida’s nothing compared to us anyway. Let’s be real, we should’ve won the Cup last year.. but injuries, bad luck, and, yeah, some bad officiating kept us from lifting it. But this year? It’s OUR year. We have the most firepower in the league, and everyone knows it.
And don't even get me started on Calgary losing to Florida too. Can you imagine? They couldn’t even hang with the Panthers, and they still think they’re contenders. Meanwhile, the Oilers are built for greatness. You know the Panthers can’t keep up with McDavid and Draisaitl, so don’t even act like this game means anything. We’re just biding our time until the playoffs, where we’ll show everyone who the real powerhouse is. Florida's just lucky tonight.
Canucks beat the Panthers 4-0. Oilers defence sucks. Up 4-2, should have won the game.
The Panthers only plays when they want to play. Motivation has been a real problem for them this year.
I thought the refs calls were really poor. I’msure in the third period that there was a too many man non call. And no one has even mentioned it?
Amazon broadcast complete hot garbage. Bleeping terrible
PTSD
I've been saying the ice yas looked bad for a while (ask Fleury).
They used to say Edmonton had the best ice. If they say that now, I pity the rest of the league.
The ice doesn’t look as good as it used to partly cause the technology around the league has made everyone else’s more comparable. That said, it’s the same ice for both teams and it looked like only one had a problem with it lol. The equipment guys have been around since the decade of darkness… maybe it’s time they go too, they probably have more control over the game than Schwartz lol
@@IBleedOil84 It is absolutely the same bad ice for both teams, but good ice used to be an advantage to good skating and passing teams. A true home ice advantage.
Amazon really sucks. It looks like a low quality hockey broadcast.
Did anyone see hyman got stitches when he got hit in the face with a puck?
That broadcast was almost as terrible as Bouchards play.
PTESD = Post Traumatic Evan Sloppy Defense
Prime sucks, nhl can't leave any money in the fans hands.
im in a shitty mood too but ty for pod
The ice at Rogers has been crap all year! The oilers are a puck possession team. It’s unacceptable!
About guys getting it in deep. That’s floridas aggression. They force teams into panic plays with physicality. Oil need more of this style of play. Sorry they just do! Finesse is fine, but some heavy forechecking will go a long way. Dunno guess they aren’t that team anymore.
Panthers played on same ice as oilers, excuse
Holy moley. Quit your crying about the supposed "snub". Hyman wasn't playing nearly well enough to make Team Canada. You should take the "snub" as a blessing because it seems to have given him the motivation he'd been missing up until now.
NHL , learn to follow your own rules. How was Tkachuk lifting his skate and kicking at the puck be allowed as a goal. WTF. Could get dangerous if players start lifting their skates in front of the net. Trying to get a kick deflection on net.
Amazon broadcast quality is way better than Sportsnet.
The 4 nations tournament is a meaningless, made up event. I wish more Oilers could get rest for the real tournament than having to play in this silly event. Whining about the snubs is missing the silver lining …
First!
Awful podcast. 2 Homer's.
Thanks hairy nuts
Its an oilers podcast of course its biased
Awful comment. Ignorance.
Panthers won because they play a more structured mature game, and have more consistent D play, and a way better Goalie. That garbage ball call on the goal was a factor, but just a tiny little one. The usual suspects just didn't deliver when push comes to shove (Both Skinners and Bouchard). Oilers lost because they found ways to lose. Again.