You can tell Carp is a good teacher because I enjoy listening to his explanations and he sounds very convincing. I'd like to sit through some of his lessons to get a better idea of his teaching style. However I wish I could have interrupted him to clarify a bit how he went about learning Japanese. Did he not even look at a textbook ever? People probably have different ideas of what "immersion learning" means. For me, it means using the language and learning vocabulary and grammar as needed so if I'm reading a book and there's vocabulary or grammar I want to know I will look it up at that time. If I want to - I often skip stuff but it's ok to look it up and I still call it immersion learning. As opposed to going through a grammar textbook which teaches you grammar/vocabulary "for later". I find it hard to imagine someone not referring to a grammar book or Chat GPT as needed and just learning everything through context like native speakers do but maybe some people do this.
Good point on the grammar part. I'd consider myself one of those who tries to learn like native speakers do, mainly because I don't enjoy the conscious process of studying grammar at all. However, you do need great channels and projects which create content that is comprehensible and interesting when you're starting out. And this is always easier with more "popular" languages like French, German, Spanish... because of the amount of existing content. And I'm also starting to believe that you can "get away with it" with similar languages or at least not so distant languages, but learning a language like Japanese is a completely different animal. I'll have to start with one of these languages to be able to understand it better. But in general, I also have to say that I've learned to be okay with people using grammar the way you described it, it can definitely help.
Well, let me fill you in! First of all, I do have a video here: ( ruclips.net/video/8FTtEtcfIxc/видео.html ) that show all of what I do normally for Japanese study. But to answer your question in short form... No, I have never looked at a Japanese textbook. I HAVE, on the other hand, occasionally looked up a grammar point if I was very curious about something that started to show up a lot or seemed to derail my understanding, but that's about as deep as my grammar "study" gets with Japanese.
I grew up in Boston which is an international city but until I took a trip to Europe my world view or even just view of reality was very lopsided. Europeans have the luxury of being able to travel abroad by just getting on a train or maybe even just a short car ride. But other countries don't have that. I visited Japan and while the Japanese people were very polite there was a huge difference between people who had travelled abroad and those that hadn't. Not everyone who travels abroad catches the language learning bug but regardless it's an enlightening experience.
I personally used to agree with Krashen 100% on this one, but I have to admit that recently I'm starting to believe that input is not enough (although absolutely necessary for the process to work like Carp said). I feel like input alone does start the process of outputting, but practice is necessary if you wanna get to fluency.
@@naturalanguages Right. And frankly, it doesn't have to be up to belief here. Second language acquisition research shows that input builds linguistic systems, but it does not offer the separate skill of accessing them. I would recommend Common Ground: Second Language Acquisition Theory Goes to the Classroom by Florencia G. Henshaw and Maris D. Hawkins. Excellent book.
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Thanks again Alvaro! I hope the viewers have learned something to help their language acquisition and output!
Absolutely ☺
You can tell Carp is a good teacher because I enjoy listening to his explanations and he sounds very convincing. I'd like to sit through some of his lessons to get a better idea of his teaching style.
However I wish I could have interrupted him to clarify a bit how he went about learning Japanese. Did he not even look at a textbook ever? People probably have different ideas of what "immersion learning" means. For me, it means using the language and learning vocabulary and grammar as needed so if I'm reading a book and there's vocabulary or grammar I want to know I will look it up at that time. If I want to - I often skip stuff but it's ok to look it up and I still call it immersion learning. As opposed to going through a grammar textbook which teaches you grammar/vocabulary "for later". I find it hard to imagine someone not referring to a grammar book or Chat GPT as needed and just learning everything through context like native speakers do but maybe some people do this.
Good point on the grammar part. I'd consider myself one of those who tries to learn like native speakers do, mainly because I don't enjoy the conscious process of studying grammar at all. However, you do need great channels and projects which create content that is comprehensible and interesting when you're starting out. And this is always easier with more "popular" languages like French, German, Spanish... because of the amount of existing content. And I'm also starting to believe that you can "get away with it" with similar languages or at least not so distant languages, but learning a language like Japanese is a completely different animal. I'll have to start with one of these languages to be able to understand it better.
But in general, I also have to say that I've learned to be okay with people using grammar the way you described it, it can definitely help.
Well, let me fill you in! First of all, I do have a video here: ( ruclips.net/video/8FTtEtcfIxc/видео.html ) that show all of what I do normally for Japanese study.
But to answer your question in short form... No, I have never looked at a Japanese textbook. I HAVE, on the other hand, occasionally looked up a grammar point if I was very curious about something that started to show up a lot or seemed to derail my understanding, but that's about as deep as my grammar "study" gets with Japanese.
I grew up in Boston which is an international city but until I took a trip to Europe my world view or even just view of reality was very lopsided. Europeans have the luxury of being able to travel abroad by just getting on a train or maybe even just a short car ride. But other countries don't have that. I visited Japan and while the Japanese people were very polite there was a huge difference between people who had travelled abroad and those that hadn't. Not everyone who travels abroad catches the language learning bug but regardless it's an enlightening experience.
Absolutely Paul, thanks so much for sharing your experience ☺
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Then Input is not enough?
Input is extremely necessary to even be able to output, but to optimize output, no, input ALONE is not enough!
you don't agree with Stephen Krashen?
I personally used to agree with Krashen 100% on this one, but I have to admit that recently I'm starting to believe that input is not enough (although absolutely necessary for the process to work like Carp said).
I feel like input alone does start the process of outputting, but practice is necessary if you wanna get to fluency.
@@naturalanguages Right. And frankly, it doesn't have to be up to belief here. Second language acquisition research shows that input builds linguistic systems, but it does not offer the separate skill of accessing them. I would recommend
Common Ground: Second Language Acquisition Theory Goes to the Classroom by Florencia G. Henshaw and Maris D. Hawkins. Excellent book.
@@linguacarpa thanks so much for the recommendation, I'll definitely check it out ☺