Absolutely! Been saying it for years. The pre-1930's boxers had different on guard stances and employed different strategies (clinching, inside fighting, and pseudo hand grappling) than post WWII boxers & modern boxers. They were downright impressive. I think Sam Langford is one of the most frightening boxers/fighters I've seen on film. Aside from ending his pro career with over 300 fights, I read that he used to fight bare knuckle on the side for extra money.
Dempsey my favorite also. As an elderly man two thugs with a knife tried to mug him. Dempsey dropped dem both with body punches. He also boxed bareknuckle in Pittsburgh steel mill without breaking hands, before going pro as ring boxer with gloves. Boxer fractures common with boxers, like Tyson vs. Greene street fight, but Dempsey never broke a hand in bareknuckle fight or gloved bout using old school pugilist punch method.
I think he has a special condition where he has naturally stronger bones. Some people can have up to 7x the bone density compared to regular humans. I'd say mines 2x.
Actually he knocked one of them out with left hook to the jaw. But anyway, doesn't matter how he beat the shit out of them, the fact that he, as an old man, knocked two guys out is very impressive. That just shows how great his fighting skills were and tough he was. True man!!!
Dempsey wasnt that great. Any of the modern Ali type Heavyweights would easily destroy him. all it would take is a good jab and some movement. guys back then didnt move and didnt really throw jabs. Even CUS D Amotto had to modify the Dempsey Style and add a lot to it when he taught it to Mike Tyson otherwise Tyson woulda lost every fight to a guy with a decent jab and move game.
@@illuminatedperspectives2894 ruclips.net/video/jvCHk_kKpVI/видео.html the most notable quote being "Dempsey isn't still for an instant" didn't move around my ass. Shut up
@@illuminatedperspectives2894 he was great for his time . He wasnt the most technical and Gene Tunney and Jack Johnson was better but he was like the Tyson of his era , great hard hitter but couldnt beat more strategic boxers
Dempsey left home when he was very young and traveled from town to town living a tough existence as a transient. One way for him to make money was to challenge to fight anyone at the local bars, where money would be put on these bare-knuckle fights. It was a tough life but it was one that set the foundations for him to be the great champion he was.
Love the great Jack Dempsey. No one tougher than that guy. I know a very lot about him by first reading his book and then by studying old fight films of his fights. The piece de resistance was actually meeting him and thereafter getting to know him. He was always available for a chat when he operated his restaurant near Times Square in NYC. He shunned no one. He was so pleasant and engaging that anyone eating there could have an informal audience with him. He would come up to you. Try engaging with any modern day celebrity and you'll have your face broken by one of their muscleheads.There were a couple of incidents in his restaurant where he had to be his own body guard. Guys wanted to see how they'd do against an ex-heavyweight champion of the world. Needless to say they didn't try it a second time.
Glad you had such pleasure meeting the great man. Like many boxers, from your information, he went into hospitality where his renown and hospitality could be translated into an income. I'm sure he enjoyed the interactions but he was incentivised to interact with the public, unlike the modern celebrities you contrast with him
Dempsey wasnt that great. Any of the modern Ali type Heavyweights would easily destroy him. all it would take is a good jab and some movement. guys back then didnt move and didnt really throw jabs. Even CUS D Amotto had to modify the Dempsey Style and add a lot to it when he taught it to Mike Tyson otherwise Tyson woulda lost every fight to a guy with a decent jab and move game.
@@illuminatedperspectives2894 Dempsey's style isn't even remotely similair to Tyson. Also, he's the size of GGG and Canelo in the ring so comparing him to heavyweights is pretty stupid. He'd be a middleweight today lol and he'd probably clear the whole roster
harleyzeth you obviously havnt done your research on Tyson. If you did youd know that Cus D Amotto used Dempsey’s style as a base to train Mike Tyson on and he built on top of it.
and in the early bare knuckle days, they also fenced either backsword, smallsword or both. modern boxing came from bare knuckle boxing which came directly from the use of the sword/weapons as do most old martial arts
Classical Pugilism has massive sword and buckler similarities and Pugilism ( older boxing ) eventually becoming modern Boxing which has a lot of similarities in the guards to how you use a rifle.
Yep. Military sabre and pugilism manuals from the same age have almost the exact same stances and foot work. Currently training from Monstery book myself.
Though it would have been interesting to see Dempsey in modern day UFC, I would be even more intersted in seeing how other historical fighters would've fared - Champions of classical pugilism like Daniel Mendoza, Jack Slack, Jack broughton or even James Figg himself - Ancient olympians using Pankration
Belcher might have been the best of heavyweight. Gave Hen Pearce and Tom Cribb good fights with only one eye, and after stopping training. Pearce and Cribb themselves are two of the top ones. The later ones often seem to get less love, but Tom Sayers and Jem Mace were great for their size. John L Sullivan was a beast, but very much a gloved boxer who fought bareknuckle. From the evidence I've seen I don't think Figg was ever even a competitive boxer. I think he was actually only a champion fencer. I don't know of any contemporary evidence of him boxing competitively. Capt. Godfrey only says he's a fencer, Henry Lemoine fairly explicitly said Figg didn't box in Modern Manhood, and his role was in putting on boxing shows, and all the newspaper clippings I've seen only talk about him fighting with weapons.
Those ancient pankration fighters were some of, if not the toughest group of men who have ever competed in combat sports. Their strength was unimaginable for us today. I think Thor Bjornson would be average around those guys. I don’t see Jon Jones taking home a pankration medal if he competed back then. Not even close
Dempsey was one of the greatest champions of all time. His destruction of Jesse Willard was one of the most brutal title fights ever. Willard lost teeth, broke ribs and went down multiple times. Tyson took a lot of Dempsey's front foot, aggressive attack approach, throwing fast, powerful combinations. I personally loved Joe Louis, beautifully skilled power puncher. We can learn from the older eras.
Dempsey wasnt that great. Any of the modern Ali type Heavyweights would easily destroy him. all it would take is a good jab and some movement. guys back then didnt move and didnt really throw jabs. Even CUS D Amotto had to modify the Dempsey Style and add a lot to it when he taught it to Mike Tyson otherwise Tyson woulda lost every fight to a guy with a decent jab and move game.
@@illuminatedperspectives2894 mate there's no reason to run around the ring when big portion of the fight is spent doing dirty boxing in clinch. Any fighter who doesn't have good clinching would lose to one who knows how to fight in that range, especially when said fighter uses clinch to rest lmao
Awesome video! As you pointed out, most people today do not realize that boxers in the old days always cross trained, and even taught combat fighting systems to the Military. I was actually taught by one of them. My father. They not only knew how to punch and evade, they knew wrestling, throws, and fighting in the clinch. They had great understanding of position and angles. The whole point of fist fighting was in order that one could defend himself against another man proficiently. Thanks for the video and bringing up Dempsey. Even Iron Mike Tyson loved Dempsey’s explosive violence, and said he would be honored if anyone ever thought that he fought like Dempsey . He was one of a kind.
Excellent Job Coach * * * * * Mike Tyson is a Boxing Historian, thanks to the influence of Cus D'Amato. Tyson studied and copied Jack Dempsey... Mike has Great Admiration for The Old School Hall of Fame Champions ! Thanks for Posting = very informative, and Interesting * * * * * True Paul D'
Dempsey wasnt that great. Any of the modern Ali type Heavyweights would easily destroy him. all it would take is a good jab and some movement. guys back then didnt move and didnt really throw jabs. Even CUS D Amotto had to modify the Dempsey Style and add a lot to it when he taught it to Mike Tyson otherwise Tyson woulda lost every fight to a guy with a decent jab and move game.
SilentEvil2 Boxing was a very racist sport back then. Whites rooted for the white fighters and blacks for the black fighters and most white champions refused to defend their titles against black fighters. This was a different time so u cant say that dempsey is great when he didnt even fight other great fighters especially black fighters.
SilentEvil2 Dont let Ramsey Dewey make you think he can fight either because if that was true he wouldnt have retired soo early from the last asswhoopin he took that led to his skull being cracked. Put me in a ring with Ramsey Dewey and i would 100% beat the living daylights out of him to. Now i like him but his genetics isnt optimal for fighting.
Thank you for this video. What is mindblowing for me that lots of people talk about crosstraining as if it some "new" thing. I started with aikido around 1995, and even at that time everyone was cross training. People did karate, judo, jujitsu, aikido, kempo, etc. together. There was not a single guy who did only a single style. There was a good sportsmanship and every style welcomed the other one. It was the good old times when most people were amateurs in the sense that they loved doing it and they wanted to be good at even when there was no opportunity practicing ma-s as a professional carrier. And most of the coaches were not only coaches but educators as well who taught the people how to be better persons through martial arts. I so miss those times.
@@geondaf The idea is to be just good enough to avoid being owned so that u can get to your feet and makeit a standup fightwhere you are better or should be better anyway
Hi. Guys for 35 years before MMA I used to say that if you take a high school wrestler and teach him to box, and if he is good at both... Your in big trouble! Gloves up guys... BOX!!!
Finally someone talking about Dempsey in modern era fighting ❤! Top level fighters in ANY style would have a serious fight with Dempsey. You talk about his insane, explosive aggression! The man was extraordinarily violent....ANY fight with Dempsey would be extremely violent and the other person better come prepared for that level of violence.
Hi Ramsey, thanks so much for shining a light on Jack Dempsey and his book. After your recommendation I bought the book last month, devoured the whole thing and learned so much from it. It was very inspiring, and I have begun to incorporate some of the book knowledge into my own fighting style. Having learned more about Jack Dempsey, I agree that he would have either won or done very well in UFC 1.
He's the truth about that book....Dempsey is trying to appear scientific and knowledgeable about fighting. This happens to other athletes after they retire, they want to appear to be a "thinking athlete". Dempsey's success came from being in great shape and being able to throw non stop punches. But when you watch his fights you cannot find a single example of drop stepping, or trigger stepping. He just shuffles forward and starts winging punches from every angle. This is not a criticism of him as a fighter, just pointing out that what he wrote in his book is not supported by the films of his fights.
You, sir, are amazing! You provide the most thorough martial arts content (that being about all aspects of fighting: physical, emotional, mental, spiritual). I could not be more inspired and motivated by your persona. I would love to have a question featured in a video- I have been practicing mostly striking arts for several years. I have never competed and I have never been exceptional in the gyms I was going to. Nowadays I teach kick-boxing classes as a form of charity work. I love it, but I often feel self-conscious about my level of experience, since there are people way better than me coming to my classes. My question is: do you have any tips on how I can be better coach? I wish you all the best and I don't believe- I know your popularity will skyrocket in the near future!
"Grayce tackle", the funniest part of it is that it is quite common to see street fighters that don't know anything about Jiu Jitsu or any tipe of Wrestling doing that, even so that the name used in Brazil to nominate such blow has nothing to do with the origens of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, it is "Baiana".
Hearing this man say someone is his favorite fighter regardless of style is a big deal. Note taken sir. I love these videos, you have helped me find direction in regards to how to evolve my fighting portfolio. Once I reach brown belt in karate I think I'll begin learning judo as well to get the balance I need between strikes and grappling. Osu!
You may well have the most comprehensive back catalogue of all the martial arts channels on RUclips. You literally have a video covering everything. Respect.
Hi Ramsey I really enjoy your Dempsey videos! I did send you a question concerning his shoulder whirl via mail. Do you think you could do a video going a bit more into the details of his punching techniques?
That's why Bruce Lee and JKD was so good. His philosophy was to learn enough about the other person's style so that you could defend yourself or engage them long enough so that you could then exploit their weaknesses in other areas. You don't have to be the best at it as you say to defeat your opponent ...just good enough to neutralize them. Bruce Lee studied Dempsey as you know along with lots of other of the old boxers. Modern MMA owes a lot to Bruce Lee and his philosophy. He wasn't the 1st to mix fighting styles ...but he studied it intensely and pushed it forward. Wonder if you can do a video on defending yourself against a knife attack? Seems the cities are becoming more dangerous these days.
I Wish Someday i could sit with you in my Backjard, with a cold beer and talk with you about Fighting Styles, Techniques and everything about this full contact chess game... Ramsey you are an inspiration for me! Thank you for that.
"Boxing does not use kicks" You will hear that phrase from most mma fighters, trying to assert the dominance of mma over boxing. A minority of them knows how dangerous boxing is and most of them don't realize, boxing actually uses kicks. *Muhammad Ali, Jack Dempsey, Mike Tyson...* They all used kicks in their boxing. Negating "kicking the ground" factor just because "it's not directed to opponent's face" is what amateur would do. Boxers have strong legs, fast instincts, their developed shin muscles allow them for quick weight shifting. Their technique, combined with the explosive spring-like movement, allows them to both: close the distance fast and to take the explosiveness and transform it into a punch power. There were a lot of boxers who used kicking, and there are a lot now too, but if you guys out there think, that boxing doesn't use kicks, watch the matches of those 3 listed up above. *Edit* Here's a little story from my experience: My boxing trainer, he's an old man, in his mid sixties, former Europe champion. He's old, 1m60cm, weighs around 65kgs. I saw on my sparing day, how his son, a young man (looked like 30 years old or so) was forced to give money to 2 other men that looked of same age. Those men were big, atleast 2 heads higher than my trainer. Trainer told us to keep warming up, went outside himself and that tiny, dried up old man broke both their jaws with a simple one-two. His style, technique and experience gave him enough power to break 2 jaws in a lightning fast manner and those 2 were giants compared to him. Now, my trainer was not as great as Ali/Dempsey or Tyson in his prime, he isn't in his sixties too for sure, so I want you guys to think about 2 things: 1. How was this tiny, dried up old man able to do this. 2. Why are boxing gloves so much bigger and more shock absorbent compared to mma gloves. P.S. Ramsey, for me boxing is more than sports, it's a martial arts itself. Can you discuss boxing as a martial arts in your video?
Bas Rutten even said this! He was a great striker but sucked on the ground, after being submitted twice he said decided to train his ass off grappling and look how good he became at submissions
Are you going to make a video on the World Bare Knuckle Fighting Federation? Bas Rutten is the new president. What are your thoughts on his Body Action System? It looks easier to set up than a punching bag.
I agree, Jack Dempsey would be favored vs Gracie do to bad take downs. But could Jack Dempsey stop Shamrocks take down skill? Could Shamrock keep him down? Very interesting video Ramsey Dewey!
I’m gonna come up with a fight promotion with old school boxing rules. Boxing with clinch fighting, wrestling takedowns, and ground fighting for 30 seconds like judo. That’s real fighting.
Jack Dempsey, and the style of boxing of his era, is what made me interested in modern shootboxing. There's more grappling in shootboxing than there was in his day, but that's okay, that's part of why I like it.
Hey man. Would you like more material that is stuff like old wrestling and boxing? Would be cool if you made some videos on what you think of the old timers like Mendoza and whatnot.
The early UFC strikers were nothing like a Jack Dempsey...not even close. Gerard was the closest and was not K1 standard. Half the strikers were a sideshow comedy...the 9th Dan embeciles with obscure styles...maybe a hundred idolatous practitioners idolizing a charlaton. The guy with ONE glove...one for punching..one for grabbing. How hilarious it was. And where were the world champ Thai guys back then...not invited. And all these old school fighters that trained as kids at "The Y" Wrestled..Boxed and did old school Judo.
My favourite boxers rocky marciano, jack Dempsey, Mike Tyson, ali, Larry Holmes, Tyson fury and Steve Collins wonder which boxer is your favourite Ramsey
@@RamseyDewey just Jack he in my top but rocky marciano Number one for me he was a great character, he had shortest arms in heavy weight, he lost all his amateur fights and thought i will go pro like Dempsey had aggressive style and went rounds second Jack Dempsey and so on thanks for reply
Did I miss it? I thought Jack Dempsey’s book was longer. Ramsey, are you going to finish the book? I have trouble picturing what Jack Dempsey is talking about in some sections. A breakdown of the techniques as you read through it would be AMAZING! Keep up the great work and great channel!
Old school boxers knew that cross training had useful techniques that could be transferred over to boxing. Anyone know a Flip boxer named Flash Elorde? He trained knife fighting/eskrima and transferred it over to boxing, mostly the footwork.
Rafie * * * * * 5 Stars for that comment ! Manny Pacquiao also took notice of other martial arts especially the Philippine Arts ! Not many Boxers have had footwork as good as PacMan's. True Paul D' The Punch Professor
PunchProfessor I saw your videos and they’re awesome. Just wondering, what kind of boxing gloves do you use. They seem smaller than conventional boxing gloves
A bit of a way out example of crossover is the Australian cricket team. The coach, Justin Langer, has a belt [I think it's a black belt] in karate. In his playing days Langer had an incredible level of pain tolerance. Once he played on for a few minutes with broken ribs. He played all his normal shots in that condition. So he is trying to make Australia into a mentally tougher cricket team. Because for all Australia's cricket ability they are a bit mentally weak. Yes I was right, Langer has sparred with name boxers in the past and "Langer (35) holds a black belt in the martial art Zen Du Kai and uses boxing as part of his regular fitness work in Perth." [from a news report in 2006]
I don't think the idea of if you want to defend yourself against X then you need to learn how to do X yourself is entirely valid, for instance if you trained a boxer to be able to check kicks he's still a significant threat against a kickboxer even if he doesn't use kicks himself. You definitely need to understand how to defend yourself vs all four ranges of combat, but you don't necessarily have to threaten to use all four ranges of combat yourself as you see a lot of martial arts like Muay Thai (traditional version) circumvent punches by either staying out of the pocket with their kicking range or clinching to close the pocket or Sambo fighters just using the single leg takedown and overhand right mix up like Khabib without ever bothering to throw a kick. My point is, I think you can be a pretty good fighter by having a relatively narrow offense and what makes great fighters is their defensive knowledge of various offenses.
But wouldn't it stand to reason that you would learn to use the move in the process of learning to deal with it I mean maybe it wouldn't become your main tool but you'll still be able to
I don't think that has to be the case, for instance I can block a roundhouse kick to the head without a problem, but I do not have the height in my weight class to roundhouse kick to the head myself. Even if I did have the height, I wouldn't necessarily bother to do it at all because it doesn't fit my particular style of fighting. You need to have a broad defensive ability to survive, but your offense can be more than sufficient even if it's relatively minimalistic.
A lot of guys have tried that approach, they won in MMA … At least present a decent argument if you're going to bother posting, I'm not saying that you don't need grappling skills in MMA for survival but that doesn't mean you have to shoot as a part of your offense if you excel in other areas of combat like out boxing.
jack wrote, "THE POWER LINE RUNS FROM EITHER SHOULDER-STRAIGHT DOWN THE LENGTH OF THE ARM TO THE FIST KNUCKLE OF THE LITTLE FINGER, when the fist is doubled. Remember: The power line ends in the fist knuckle of the little finger on either hand. Gaze upon your "pinky" with new respect. You might call that pinky knuckle the exit of your power line- the muzzle of your cannon." would this mean that one's powerline would down the leg out the pinky toe or does alignment of the toes change that? where does the powerline go when it comes elbow and knees?
You mentioned Jack Dempsey being able to win UFC 1, how do you think other pro fighters of different styles would have done in that event. I watched it again not long ago and most of the other fighters are brawlers or pros in smaller fight leagues. So if actual pros in bigger leagues with larger pools of talent competed how do you think that would have done? Especially with no weight classes? Could a high ranked heavy weight boxer have won if Royce couldn't get him down fast enough? Could a internationally ranked heavy weight judoka win, actually knowing many of the submissions Royce was going for? As with most fights it comes down to percentages so maybe Royce wins 80%/20% with boxers and 60%/40% with other grapplers. How do you think UFC 1 would have turned out if pro/olympic level athletes were interested in competing back then?
This actually is along the lines of what I was thinking about in terms of how different things could have turned out given different opponents. Even if they were interested, I'm not sure whether high level grapplers from other styles such a Judo or Sambo would have been included. You have to bear in mind that the early UFCs were Rorion's promotions with the intention of promoting his family's art. I'm not convinced he would have included anyone who may have been wise to their techniques. It does raise an interesting hypothetical though. Would BJJ have become so popular if Royce hadn't seemed so unstoppable in those early contests?
My dream match is Dempsey vs Louis or Marciano. 3 of the hardest hitters in history, no one is making the 15 rounds if its Dempsey vs Louis or Marciano. I more so want a Dempsey vs Marciano match than a Louis one, because I think it would be a brutal but short fight.
Jack would have MAULED everyone in the first UFC. He probably would lose by the time Vitor Belfort came in with his 4oz gloves and steroids though lmao.
Great video bro. What I think what screwed up the martial arts is that pure cobra commando self defense. They keep holding these weekend warrior seminars and try and teach people short cuts through the MMA.
All of those are grappling arts. If by anti-grappling, you mean the ability to defend yourself against grapplers, the key is to become a superior grappler yourself- so yes, learn judo, jiu-jitsu, and wrestling.
Hey Ramsey I'm a big fan, and keep up the good wo rk. I miss the days where you would walk up awkwardly to the front of the camera to emphasize a point. Anyway, all that aside, I have one question. "I wish to get into training and sparring in MMA but I am severely overwhelmed with all the dieting that is involved. I would like to keep gaining muscle and have a good physique, but I have this worry that I will diet incorrectly and just become very skinny or too fat. I am completely lost here. Please help." And keep up the great work!
Hi Hi Coach, im just starting out, but, im looking for influences, you mention jack dempsey as your favorite fighter, who are some of your other favorite fighters and more importantly, why. btw i just ordered jack dempseys book, can you recommend more books? youre a smart, eloquent, knowledgeable individual, clearly with a good heart. i appreciate you and your channel.
Despite being an amazing wrestler, Chuck Liddell used his wrestling primarily to keep fights on the feet. He could've won via wrestling if he put the energy into that, but instead, he decided to focus on wrestling defence in order to focus on explosive power and aggressive striking offense. When you're the better wrestler, you get to dictate if the fight's on the feet or on the ground. In some of Chuck's fights, it seems like his opponents only even bothered with wrestling, despite his seemingly supernatural ability to just stand back up out of takedowns, because Chuck's striking game was so much better than theirs that their only hope was to wrestle him.
Every style has its weaknesses. But when Dempsey or Tyson stand in front of you, it isn't clear at all that you'll be able to exploit them. And indeed, not many people managed to pull it up. Ali could probably be knocked out in one punch if you managed to get him while he was coming back after throwing himself into the ropes. Yet how often did it actually happened? These weaknesses are irrelevant if you can't exploit them. If you can, then enjoy your victory. This is how the sport works.
Hey Ramsey, I've been watching your videos for a long time now and I'm always impressed by your content. Always sound, honest advice and I appreciate it. I am a former 2009 Isshinryu World Karate Champion but I no longer train just Karate. I compete in powerlifting now but I still shadow box and shadow wrestle at home and hit the bob dummy. I want to start a sparring club instead of joining an mma gym due to having to work alot and financial reasons. Should I be insured or use a waiver to protect myself legally? I only want a handful of dedicated training partners. I got the idea from the Dog brothers who seemed to have successfully started their own tribal stick fighting club. Any input will be very appreciated. Thank you!
@@RamseyDewey okay thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I'll have to check out the laws and regulations for something like that for my area.
Ramsey, do you think that you could do tutorials of some of the moves that Dempsey talks about in his book? Especially the dropstep, I have had alot of problems getting that down.
Are there kicks that you can incorporate the drop step movement into or a way to deliver kicks where weight of the body is assisting in power generation?
He's not the best of any single fighting art. But that's not the point, no one can be the best of everything. He is sort of all rounder who specialist in a narrow range of striking.
@@lazur1 The point is no one can be the best of everything. You don't lose in MMA match if you are not the best of all. You lose if you: 1. bad luck, or 2. been a less fighter, or 3. your opponent out smart you, or 4. your opponent out last you Some of the best MMA fighters are not best of any single art, but they are the best to use their strength and avoid their weakness. you can put the best pro boxer in the cage, but if all he knew is boxing, then he's not going to win (most of time).
@@GuitarsRockForever Ok, if that's your point, it's YOUR point. Actually, it was too obvious to even bother posting: Conor wins a LOT of fights; he doesn't need YOU to explain that he doesn't need to be the best at any particular one fighting art:^) So why did he lose? Bad luck?:^), or to a better wrestler?
I think you will find dempsy most likely was an exponent of queens berry boxing which the modern simulation of that would be american kickboxing actually BJJ is highly styled from JUDO as that was what old man gracie was trained in.. However here's a question in a street fight how often would you go to the ground with the full knowledge of mor than 1 attacker in sight for a fight..
Nor would I guns would be my preferred engagement method.. though looking at the panic that is caused through a natural disaster I can quite understand why 90% is taught in a training hall is utterly pointless in a street fight.. the main point was that there is no rules in a street fight and you would not want to face a gang of 2 or more because you would be the looser.. BJJ looks grand on a mat or in a ring however taken out of its context of the ring it would useless outside of 1on1 use as anything goes in a street fight.. Much like the current flavor of the month in karate.. Nobody teaches the martial arts anymore and unless the person teaching enjoys breaking students bones you don't learn a thing.. thus why i asked what would happen in a street fight scenario where there is no rules and anything goes.. hypothetical would you go to the ground to finish someone off when there is more than person around??? Ramsey, i've been a martial artist since my late teens I already know the answer to the question I always try to avoid fighting however there is always a time to fight and a time of flight..
Hello Ramsey; I understand to be a fighter you have to train everything but due to time constraints. I work long hours and have a young family. I can only afford to train one thing; would you recommend I train BJJ or wrestling?
Hi Ramsey I have a question I am a 17 year old and I have never trained in any fighting style but I am interested in learning Kudo but can I get good enough to compete at a professional level
Hey coach I have a question, their is a Saying out their that “if your not coming into a fight without some type of injury then you did not train hard enough”, ever since I was young I played many sports and played through some injuries. Now that I am older and I practice boxing and MMA and want to start my amateur fights soon. I want to protect my body but I also don’t want to become fragile and pull out the moment I have the smallest pain. Where do I draw the line with injury’s and pain tolerance? To tell myself that some injury’s I can’t just grit my teeth and work through. because i might be able to tolerate the pain, but I also might hurt myself worse and take years off my potential fighting career/ life. -Michael
Michael Gorilla by training you’ll get the stomach for the pain of just normally getting hit but the things that hurt the most are either things that cause permanent injury and you should stop or specific strikes that just fuckin hurt like leg kicks or liver kicks either one doesn’t require injury’s to avoid just be safe with your body you only get the one
Does one have to attend a Martial Arts teaching school to learn Martial Arts?... Stupid question, I know, but I would like to get an opinion if possible.. Thank you!
Ramsey what about ali's footwork can it be converted into muay thai ? And im not talking about the ali shuffle i want to know if his back pedal /dancing around the rind would be effective for muay thai
Lol I'm not Ramsey but since no one else has replied. Watch Samart Payakaroon, Saenchai, and other more technical Muay Thai fighters. There's a lot but those are the only ones I can think of the moment. Not quite the same but similar idea. Also, taekwondo fighters use similar footwork. Rick Roufus vs Kiatsongrit is a good fight to see ali style footwork with kicks, against a Muay Thai fighter.
@@chandlerbrown3041 yeah saenchai seems to take some inspiration from ali but i havent seen anyone use the back pedal due to the risk of leg kicks but i dont know i you can find your way around them
Thanks for your very informative videos, Ramsey! I just read Jack Dempsey’s book and I’m trying to get the hang of his jab, and the falling step. I’m practicing on a heavy bag and it feels really awkward. Do you have any pointers on it?
Jack Dempsey is a legend! Love that someone finally had the balls to say he would’ve beat Gracie in UFC!!
I think Gerard may have won if he had no broken hands.
@It's time haha ballsy of you!
Dan Severn was tossing Gracie around like a rag doll. If he had just started ground pounding, the fight would've been over.
Absolutely! Been saying it for years. The pre-1930's boxers had different on guard stances and employed different strategies (clinching, inside fighting, and pseudo hand grappling) than post WWII boxers & modern boxers. They were downright impressive.
I think Sam Langford is one of the most frightening boxers/fighters I've seen on film. Aside from ending his pro career with over 300 fights, I read that he used to fight bare knuckle on the side for extra money.
Dempsey my favorite also. As an elderly man two thugs with a knife tried to mug him. Dempsey dropped dem both with body punches. He also boxed bareknuckle in Pittsburgh steel mill without breaking hands, before going pro as ring boxer with gloves. Boxer fractures common with boxers, like Tyson vs. Greene street fight, but Dempsey never broke a hand in bareknuckle fight or gloved bout using old school pugilist punch method.
My great Grand Dad was barenuckle Irish Champ.
I think he has a special condition where he has naturally stronger bones. Some people can have up to 7x the bone density compared to regular humans.
I'd say mines 2x.
@@user-pq9gy3fq1q That could be true. I was looking at some of Dempsey's stats, he had like 9 inch wrists!! Definitely not average!!
Actually he knocked one of them out with left hook to the jaw. But anyway, doesn't matter how he beat the shit out of them, the fact that he, as an old man, knocked two guys out is very impressive. That just shows how great his fighting skills were and tough he was. True man!!!
*These are what Dempsey should be known for*
Casual fans of boxing or Anime viewers only know him for his signature move, the *_"Dempsey Roll"_*
Ooooh you are not wrong at all, man! I was thinking of "denpushi rooru!!!" and jet engine sounds for a good part of the video!
to be fair, the dempsey roll is one ofe the few martial arts moves that looks as cool IRL as it does in anime/movies/games *and still works*
Dempsey wasnt that great. Any of the modern Ali type Heavyweights would easily destroy him. all it would take is a good jab and some movement. guys back then didnt move and didnt really throw jabs. Even CUS D Amotto had to modify the Dempsey Style and add a lot to it when he taught it to Mike Tyson otherwise Tyson woulda lost every fight to a guy with a decent jab and move game.
@@illuminatedperspectives2894 ruclips.net/video/jvCHk_kKpVI/видео.html the most notable quote being "Dempsey isn't still for an instant" didn't move around my ass. Shut up
@@illuminatedperspectives2894 he was great for his time . He wasnt the most technical and Gene Tunney and Jack Johnson was better but he was like the Tyson of his era , great hard hitter but couldnt beat more strategic boxers
Dempsey left home when he was very young and traveled from town to town living a tough existence as a transient. One way for him to make money was to challenge to fight anyone at the local bars, where money would be put on these bare-knuckle fights. It was a tough life but it was one that set the foundations for him to be the great champion he was.
Dempsey would smash the first UFC event he was a man of discipline and conviction that the UFC had not seen in those early days.
Love the great Jack Dempsey. No one tougher than that guy. I know a very lot about him by first reading his book and then by studying old fight films of his fights. The piece de resistance was actually meeting him and thereafter getting to know him. He was always available for a chat when he operated his restaurant near Times Square in NYC. He shunned no one. He was so pleasant and engaging that anyone eating there could have an informal audience with him. He would come up to you. Try engaging with any modern day celebrity and you'll have your face broken by one of their muscleheads.There were a couple of incidents in his restaurant where he had to be his own body guard. Guys wanted to see how they'd do against an ex-heavyweight champion of the world. Needless to say they didn't try it a second time.
Glad you had such pleasure meeting the great man. Like many boxers, from your information, he went into hospitality where his renown and hospitality could be translated into an income.
I'm sure he enjoyed the interactions but he was incentivised to interact with the public, unlike the modern celebrities you contrast with him
Dempsey was a very intelligent fighter, and not only a slugger. I have this book.
Jack was just so aggressive that people confused his style with mindless brawling. Same with Tyson.
Dempsey wasnt that great. Any of the modern Ali type Heavyweights would easily destroy him. all it would take is a good jab and some movement. guys back then didnt move and didnt really throw jabs. Even CUS D Amotto had to modify the Dempsey Style and add a lot to it when he taught it to Mike Tyson otherwise Tyson woulda lost every fight to a guy with a decent jab and move game.
@@illuminatedperspectives2894 Dempsey's style isn't even remotely similair to Tyson. Also, he's the size of GGG and Canelo in the ring so comparing him to heavyweights is pretty stupid. He'd be a middleweight today lol and he'd probably clear the whole roster
harleyzeth you obviously havnt done your research on Tyson. If you did youd know that Cus D Amotto used Dempsey’s style as a base to train Mike Tyson on and he built on top of it.
harleyzeth Tyson uses a modified Dempsey style. The styles are similar you just dont know shit about boxing.
I wonder what Ramsey Dewey thinks of Sugar Ray Robinson.
In high regard I would imagine.
Probably thinks he is a great boxer lol.
and in the early bare knuckle days, they also fenced either backsword, smallsword or both. modern boxing came from bare knuckle boxing which came directly from the use of the sword/weapons as do most old martial arts
Classical Pugilism has massive sword and buckler similarities and Pugilism ( older boxing ) eventually becoming modern Boxing which has a lot of similarities in the guards to how you use a rifle.
Yep. Military sabre and pugilism manuals from the same age have almost the exact same stances and foot work. Currently training from Monstery book myself.
@@Soladrin his book is really good I've actually used some of the things he talks about in sparring
Though it would have been interesting to see Dempsey in modern day UFC, I would be even more intersted in seeing how other historical fighters would've fared
- Champions of classical pugilism like Daniel Mendoza, Jack Slack, Jack broughton or even James Figg himself
- Ancient olympians using Pankration
Belcher might have been the best of heavyweight. Gave Hen Pearce and Tom Cribb good fights with only one eye, and after stopping training. Pearce and Cribb themselves are two of the top ones. The later ones often seem to get less love, but Tom Sayers and Jem Mace were great for their size. John L Sullivan was a beast, but very much a gloved boxer who fought bareknuckle.
From the evidence I've seen I don't think Figg was ever even a competitive boxer. I think he was actually only a champion fencer. I don't know of any contemporary evidence of him boxing competitively. Capt. Godfrey only says he's a fencer, Henry Lemoine fairly explicitly said Figg didn't box in Modern Manhood, and his role was in putting on boxing shows, and all the newspaper clippings I've seen only talk about him fighting with weapons.
Fitzsimmons and Jeffries would've been interesting.
Those ancient pankration fighters were some of, if not the toughest group of men who have ever competed in combat sports. Their strength was unimaginable for us today. I think Thor Bjornson would be average around those guys. I don’t see Jon Jones taking home a pankration medal if he competed back then. Not even close
@@anon2427 the tallest greeks were 5 foot, they were strong but not that strong compared to today .
Dempsey was one of the greatest champions of all time. His destruction of Jesse Willard was one of the most brutal title fights ever. Willard lost teeth, broke ribs and went down multiple times. Tyson took a lot of Dempsey's front foot, aggressive attack approach, throwing fast, powerful combinations. I personally loved Joe Louis, beautifully skilled power puncher. We can learn from the older eras.
Dempsey wasnt that great. Any of the modern Ali type Heavyweights would easily destroy him. all it would take is a good jab and some movement. guys back then didnt move and didnt really throw jabs. Even CUS D Amotto had to modify the Dempsey Style and add a lot to it when he taught it to Mike Tyson otherwise Tyson woulda lost every fight to a guy with a decent jab and move game.
@@illuminatedperspectives2894 Well boxing does evolve but Tyson studied and took a lot from Dempsey.
@@illuminatedperspectives2894 copy and paste
@@creativeusername9932 that dude just spamming his racist thoughts lol
@@illuminatedperspectives2894 mate there's no reason to run around the ring when big portion of the fight is spent doing dirty boxing in clinch. Any fighter who doesn't have good clinching would lose to one who knows how to fight in that range, especially when said fighter uses clinch to rest lmao
Awesome video! As you pointed out, most people today do not realize that boxers in the old days always cross trained, and even taught combat fighting systems to the Military. I was actually taught by one of them. My father. They not only knew how to punch and evade, they knew wrestling, throws, and fighting in the clinch. They had great understanding of position and angles. The whole point of fist fighting was in order that one could defend himself against another man proficiently. Thanks for the video and bringing up Dempsey. Even Iron Mike Tyson loved Dempsey’s explosive violence, and said he would be honored if anyone ever thought that he fought like Dempsey . He was one of a kind.
Excellent Job Coach * * * * *
Mike Tyson is a Boxing Historian, thanks to the influence of Cus D'Amato.
Tyson studied and copied Jack Dempsey... Mike has Great Admiration for The Old School Hall of Fame Champions !
Thanks for Posting = very informative, and Interesting * * * * *
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Dempsey wasnt that great. Any of the modern Ali type Heavyweights would easily destroy him. all it would take is a good jab and some movement. guys back then didnt move and didnt really throw jabs. Even CUS D Amotto had to modify the Dempsey Style and add a lot to it when he taught it to Mike Tyson otherwise Tyson woulda lost every fight to a guy with a decent jab and move game.
SilentEvil2 Boxing was a very racist sport back then. Whites rooted for the white fighters and blacks for the black fighters and most white champions refused to defend their titles against black fighters. This was a different time so u cant say that dempsey is great when he didnt even fight other great fighters especially black fighters.
SilentEvil2 Dont let Ramsey Dewey make you think he can fight either because if that was true he wouldnt have retired soo early from the last asswhoopin he took that led to his skull being cracked.
Put me in a ring with Ramsey Dewey and i would 100% beat the living daylights out of him to. Now i like him but his genetics isnt optimal for fighting.
SilentEvil2 you a black man and u dont even know your own history. Damn shsme
@SilentEvil2. Apparently Dempsey can't have been great because he was white! Tell's me all I need to know about Jax Wins.
Thank you for this video. What is mindblowing for me that lots of people talk about crosstraining as if it some "new" thing. I started with aikido around 1995, and even at that time everyone was cross training. People did karate, judo, jujitsu, aikido, kempo, etc. together. There was not a single guy who did only a single style. There was a good sportsmanship and every style welcomed the other one. It was the good old times when most people were amateurs in the sense that they loved doing it and they wanted to be good at even when there was no opportunity practicing ma-s as a professional carrier. And most of the coaches were not only coaches but educators as well who taught the people how to be better persons through martial arts. I so miss those times.
I used to wrestle and you are right the best way to defend a grappler is to learn how to wrestle.
so practically be a grappler to defeat a grappler lol
@@geondaf The idea is to be just good enough to avoid being owned so that u can get to your feet and makeit a standup fightwhere you are better or should be better anyway
Failing that checkout Master Wong's grappling defense videos lol
Hi.
Guys for 35 years before MMA I used to say that if you take a high school wrestler and teach him to box, and if he is good at both...
Your in big trouble!
Gloves up guys...
BOX!!!
@@geondaf no, you be good enough to neutralize their offense and make your own opening for striking
Finally someone talking about Dempsey in modern era fighting ❤! Top level fighters in ANY style would have a serious fight with Dempsey. You talk about his insane, explosive aggression! The man was extraordinarily violent....ANY fight with Dempsey would be extremely violent and the other person better come prepared for that level of violence.
Hi Ramsey, thanks so much for shining a light on Jack Dempsey and his book. After your recommendation I bought the book last month, devoured the whole thing and learned so much from it. It was very inspiring, and I have begun to incorporate some of the book knowledge into my own fighting style. Having learned more about Jack Dempsey, I agree that he would have either won or done very well in UFC 1.
He's the truth about that book....Dempsey is trying to appear scientific and knowledgeable about fighting. This happens to other athletes after they retire, they want to appear to be a "thinking athlete". Dempsey's success came from being in great shape and being able to throw non stop punches. But when you watch his fights you cannot find a single example of drop stepping, or trigger stepping. He just shuffles forward and starts winging punches from every angle. This is not a criticism of him as a fighter, just pointing out that what he wrote in his book is not supported by the films of his fights.
You, sir, are amazing! You provide the most thorough martial arts content (that being about all aspects of fighting: physical, emotional, mental, spiritual). I could not be more inspired and motivated by your persona.
I would love to have a question featured in a video- I have been practicing mostly striking arts for several years. I have never competed and I have never been exceptional in the gyms I was going to. Nowadays I teach kick-boxing classes as a form of charity work. I love it, but I often feel self-conscious about my level of experience, since there are people way better than me coming to my classes. My question is: do you have any tips on how I can be better coach?
I wish you all the best and I don't believe- I know your popularity will skyrocket in the near future!
Machida and Silva have used a drop-step front kick to get knock outs, that reminded me of Dempsey.
I would have put my money on Jack in UFC 1 as well.
"Grayce tackle", the funniest part of it is that it is quite common to see street fighters that don't know anything about Jiu Jitsu or any tipe of Wrestling doing that, even so that the name used in Brazil to nominate such blow has nothing to do with the origens of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, it is "Baiana".
Hearing this man say someone is his favorite fighter regardless of style is a big deal. Note taken sir. I love these videos, you have helped me find direction in regards to how to evolve my fighting portfolio. Once I reach brown belt in karate I think I'll begin learning judo as well to get the balance I need between strikes and grappling. Osu!
I love your *exhale*. If fighting was was all about Kiai, I think you'd be a UFC champion atleast.
You may well have the most comprehensive back catalogue of all the martial arts channels on RUclips. You literally have a video covering everything. Respect.
I could listen to you narrate any book or video all day long. Love your voice! Bruce Lee loved Dempsey!
"Elbos in." echoes in my head every time you say wresting lol looking forward to more, thank you!
I didn't know Jack was a grappler too, shame he didn't include a chapter about grappling in his book. Still a good read anyway.
Read his other book: How to Fight Tough
Hi Ramsey
I really enjoy your Dempsey videos!
I did send you a question concerning his shoulder whirl via mail. Do you think you could do a video going a bit more into the details of his punching techniques?
That's why Bruce Lee and JKD was so good. His philosophy was to learn enough about the other person's style so that you could defend yourself or engage them long enough so that you could then exploit their weaknesses in other areas. You don't have to be the best at it as you say to defeat your opponent ...just good enough to neutralize them. Bruce Lee studied Dempsey as you know along with lots of other of the old boxers. Modern MMA owes a lot to Bruce Lee and his philosophy. He wasn't the 1st to mix fighting styles ...but he studied it intensely and pushed it forward. Wonder if you can do a video on defending yourself against a knife attack? Seems the cities are becoming more dangerous these days.
Best defense against a knife attack is a good 150 years dash
You just blew my mind with Dempsey vs UFC 1
I Wish Someday i could sit with you in my Backjard, with a cold beer and talk with you about Fighting Styles, Techniques and everything about this full contact chess game... Ramsey you are an inspiration for me! Thank you for that.
Dempsey was a destroyer!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and analysis.
"Boxing does not use kicks" You will hear that phrase from most mma fighters, trying to assert the dominance of mma over boxing.
A minority of them knows how dangerous boxing is and most of them don't realize, boxing actually uses kicks.
*Muhammad Ali, Jack Dempsey, Mike Tyson...* They all used kicks in their boxing. Negating "kicking the ground" factor just because "it's not directed to opponent's face" is what amateur would do. Boxers have strong legs, fast instincts, their developed shin muscles allow them for quick weight shifting. Their technique, combined with the explosive spring-like movement, allows them to both: close the distance fast and to take the explosiveness and transform it into a punch power. There were a lot of boxers who used kicking, and there are a lot now too, but if you guys out there think, that boxing doesn't use kicks, watch the matches of those 3 listed up above.
*Edit*
Here's a little story from my experience:
My boxing trainer, he's an old man, in his mid sixties, former Europe champion. He's old, 1m60cm, weighs around 65kgs. I saw on my sparing day, how his son, a young man (looked like 30 years old or so) was forced to give money to 2 other men that looked of same age. Those men were big, atleast 2 heads higher than my trainer. Trainer told us to keep warming up, went outside himself and that tiny, dried up old man broke both their jaws with a simple one-two. His style, technique and experience gave him enough power to break 2 jaws in a lightning fast manner and those 2 were giants compared to him. Now, my trainer was not as great as Ali/Dempsey or Tyson in his prime, he isn't in his sixties too for sure, so I want you guys to think about 2 things:
1. How was this tiny, dried up old man able to do this.
2. Why are boxing gloves so much bigger and more shock absorbent compared to mma gloves.
P.S.
Ramsey, for me boxing is more than sports, it's a martial arts itself. Can you discuss boxing as a martial arts in your video?
ruclips.net/video/0lfoJhOXb5U/видео.html
oh, thanks!
Bas Rutten even said this! He was a great striker but sucked on the ground, after being submitted twice he said decided to train his ass off grappling and look how good he became at submissions
You want to defend against a wrestler? you learn wrestling..amen to that my friend
Dempsey was a fucking legend. If you watch any modern boxer you can clearly see parts of their game that came from Jack Dempsey.
Are you going to make a video on the World Bare Knuckle Fighting Federation? Bas Rutten is the new president. What are your thoughts on his Body Action System? It looks easier to set up than a punching bag.
I agree, Jack Dempsey would be favored vs Gracie do to bad take downs. But could Jack Dempsey stop Shamrocks take down skill? Could Shamrock keep him down? Very interesting video Ramsey Dewey!
Ramsey love your dry sense of humour and your sarcasm, but most importantly, you’re very factual 👍
I think Jack Dempsey would have gotten his ass kicked in UFC 1 because I'm an internet commenter so I have to contradict you
I’m gonna come up with a fight promotion with old school boxing rules. Boxing with clinch fighting, wrestling takedowns, and ground fighting for 30 seconds like judo. That’s real fighting.
Jack Dempsey, and the style of boxing of his era, is what made me interested in modern shootboxing. There's more grappling in shootboxing than there was in his day, but that's okay, that's part of why I like it.
Ramsey could you please please please demonstrate the drop step from Jack dempsey's book I honestly don't know if I'm doing it right
Hey man. Would you like more material that is stuff like old wrestling and boxing? Would be cool if you made some videos on what you think of the old timers like Mendoza and whatnot.
Excellent. Thankyou for this. 🙏🏻👊🏻
The early UFC strikers were nothing like a Jack Dempsey...not even close.
Gerard was the closest and was not K1 standard.
Half the strikers were a sideshow comedy...the 9th Dan embeciles with obscure styles...maybe a hundred idolatous practitioners idolizing a charlaton.
The guy with ONE glove...one for punching..one for grabbing.
How hilarious it was.
And where were the world champ Thai guys back then...not invited.
And all these old school fighters that trained as kids at "The Y"
Wrestled..Boxed and did old school Judo.
My favourite boxers rocky marciano, jack Dempsey, Mike Tyson, ali, Larry Holmes, Tyson fury and Steve Collins wonder which boxer is your favourite Ramsey
Jack “The Manassa Mauler” Dempsey!
@@RamseyDewey just Jack he in my top but rocky marciano Number one for me he was a great character, he had shortest arms in heavy weight, he lost all his amateur fights and thought i will go pro like Dempsey had aggressive style and went rounds second Jack Dempsey and so on thanks for reply
@@richardsmith70 Marciano did not lose all his amateur fights, he was like 7-4ish, nothing great, but he didn't lose all of em.
Did I miss it? I thought Jack Dempsey’s book was longer. Ramsey, are you going to finish the book? I have trouble picturing what Jack Dempsey is talking about in some sections. A breakdown of the techniques as you read through it would be AMAZING! Keep up the great work and great channel!
Yes, I am going to finish the book
Ramsey Dewey thanks so much man! You are the best!
The background music is that of Cremerías Chalco.
Appreciate your voice out in the world
Old school boxers knew that cross training had useful techniques that could be transferred over to boxing.
Anyone know a Flip boxer named Flash Elorde? He trained knife fighting/eskrima and transferred it over to boxing, mostly the footwork.
Rafie * * * * *
5 Stars for that comment !
Manny Pacquiao also took notice of other martial arts especially the Philippine Arts ! Not many Boxers have had footwork as good as PacMan's.
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PunchProfessor I saw your videos and they’re awesome. Just wondering, what kind of boxing gloves do you use. They seem smaller than conventional boxing gloves
A bit of a way out example of crossover is the Australian cricket team. The coach, Justin Langer, has a belt [I think it's a black belt] in karate. In his playing days Langer had an incredible level of pain tolerance. Once he played on for a few minutes with broken ribs. He played all his normal shots in that condition. So he is trying to make Australia into a mentally tougher cricket team. Because for all Australia's cricket ability they are a bit mentally weak. Yes I was right, Langer has sparred with name boxers in the past and "Langer (35) holds a black belt in the martial art Zen Du Kai and uses boxing as part of his regular fitness work in Perth." [from a news report in 2006]
I don't think the idea of if you want to defend yourself against X then you need to learn how to do X yourself is entirely valid, for instance if you trained a boxer to be able to check kicks he's still a significant threat against a kickboxer even if he doesn't use kicks himself. You definitely need to understand how to defend yourself vs all four ranges of combat, but you don't necessarily have to threaten to use all four ranges of combat yourself as you see a lot of martial arts like Muay Thai (traditional version) circumvent punches by either staying out of the pocket with their kicking range or clinching to close the pocket or Sambo fighters just using the single leg takedown and overhand right mix up like Khabib without ever bothering to throw a kick. My point is, I think you can be a pretty good fighter by having a relatively narrow offense and what makes great fighters is their defensive knowledge of various offenses.
But wouldn't it stand to reason that you would learn to use the move in the process of learning to deal with it I mean maybe it wouldn't become your main tool but you'll still be able to
I don't think that has to be the case, for instance I can block a roundhouse kick to the head without a problem, but I do not have the height in my weight class to roundhouse kick to the head myself. Even if I did have the height, I wouldn't necessarily bother to do it at all because it doesn't fit my particular style of fighting. You need to have a broad defensive ability to survive, but your offense can be more than sufficient even if it's relatively minimalistic.
couple of guys try that approach. they lost in MMA...
A lot of guys have tried that approach, they won in MMA … At least present a decent argument if you're going to bother posting, I'm not saying that you don't need grappling skills in MMA for survival but that doesn't mean you have to shoot as a part of your offense if you excel in other areas of combat like out boxing.
If your only skill is boxing and checking some kicks...you won't last too long in an MMA fight. Same if you're a pure grappler...
jack wrote, "THE POWER LINE RUNS FROM EITHER SHOULDER-STRAIGHT DOWN THE LENGTH OF THE ARM TO THE FIST KNUCKLE OF THE
LITTLE FINGER, when the fist is doubled. Remember: The power line ends in the fist knuckle of the little finger on either hand. Gaze upon your
"pinky" with new respect. You might call that pinky knuckle the exit of your power line- the muzzle of your cannon." would this mean that one's powerline would down the leg out the pinky toe or does alignment of the toes change that? where does the powerline go when it comes elbow and knees?
You mentioned Jack Dempsey being able to win UFC 1, how do you think other pro fighters of different styles would have done in that event. I watched it again not long ago and most of the other fighters are brawlers or pros in smaller fight leagues. So if actual pros in bigger leagues with larger pools of talent competed how do you think that would have done? Especially with no weight classes? Could a high ranked heavy weight boxer have won if Royce couldn't get him down fast enough? Could a internationally ranked heavy weight judoka win, actually knowing many of the submissions Royce was going for? As with most fights it comes down to percentages so maybe Royce wins 80%/20% with boxers and 60%/40% with other grapplers. How do you think UFC 1 would have turned out if pro/olympic level athletes were interested in competing back then?
This actually is along the lines of what I was thinking about in terms of how different things could have turned out given different opponents. Even if they were interested, I'm not sure whether high level grapplers from other styles such a Judo or Sambo would have been included.
You have to bear in mind that the early UFCs were Rorion's promotions with the intention of promoting his family's art. I'm not convinced he would have included anyone who may have been wise to their techniques.
It does raise an interesting hypothetical though. Would BJJ have become so popular if Royce hadn't seemed so unstoppable in those early contests?
My dream match is Dempsey vs Louis or Marciano. 3 of the hardest hitters in history, no one is making the 15 rounds if its Dempsey vs Louis or Marciano. I more so want a Dempsey vs Marciano match than a Louis one, because I think it would be a brutal but short fight.
Jack would have MAULED everyone in the first UFC. He probably would lose by the time Vitor Belfort came in with his 4oz gloves and steroids though lmao.
He didn't do steroids... He just got stung by a lot of bees. Mainly in his traps :)
@@smradztoiek understandable bees are known for targeting the traps
Especially the South American sculpting bees :)
Great video bro. What I think what screwed up the martial arts is that pure cobra commando self defense. They keep holding these weekend warrior seminars and try and teach people short cuts through the MMA.
I imagine Jack's style would be easy to incorporate into MMA considering he could threaten takedowns with it
What do you think about Judo versus Jiujitsu or wrestling as far as anti grappling
All of those are grappling arts. If by anti-grappling, you mean the ability to defend yourself against grapplers, the key is to become a superior grappler yourself- so yes, learn judo, jiu-jitsu, and wrestling.
plz make a video about how to train your legs for MMA
Doesn’t Mike Tyson use Dempsey roll?, just asking
Tyson modeled his style after after Dempsey.
Hey Ramsey I'm a big fan, and keep up the good wo
rk. I miss the days where you would walk up awkwardly to the front of the camera to emphasize a point. Anyway, all that aside, I have one question.
"I wish to get into training and sparring in MMA but I am severely overwhelmed with all the dieting that is involved. I would like to keep gaining muscle and have a good physique, but I have this worry that I will diet incorrectly and just become very skinny or too fat. I am completely lost here. Please help." And keep up the great work!
Hi Hi Coach, im just starting out, but, im looking for influences, you mention jack dempsey as your favorite fighter, who are some of your other favorite fighters and more importantly, why. btw i just ordered jack dempseys book, can you recommend more books? youre a smart, eloquent, knowledgeable individual, clearly with a good heart. i appreciate you and your channel.
eyepokes and breaking fingers are a great defens against graplers
You’re like the reportoftheweek of mma
Despite being an amazing wrestler, Chuck Liddell used his wrestling primarily to keep fights on the feet. He could've won via wrestling if he put the energy into that, but instead, he decided to focus on wrestling defence in order to focus on explosive power and aggressive striking offense. When you're the better wrestler, you get to dictate if the fight's on the feet or on the ground. In some of Chuck's fights, it seems like his opponents only even bothered with wrestling, despite his seemingly supernatural ability to just stand back up out of takedowns, because Chuck's striking game was so much better than theirs that their only hope was to wrestle him.
Coach, how do you think a match between Marciano and Dempsey would turn out if both were in their prime?
Marciano could take a lot of punishment but I don’t think he ever face a heavy hitter like Dempsey.
Dempsey would have destroyed Gracie!!!!
Remember dempsey was nearly 100 years ago and even more updated styles such as mike tyson styles has the same weaknesses
Every style has its weaknesses. But when Dempsey or Tyson stand in front of you, it isn't clear at all that you'll be able to exploit them. And indeed, not many people managed to pull it up.
Ali could probably be knocked out in one punch if you managed to get him while he was coming back after throwing himself into the ropes. Yet how often did it actually happened?
These weaknesses are irrelevant if you can't exploit them. If you can, then enjoy your victory. This is how the sport works.
You have a beautiful voice. Try reading Shakespeare sometime. If you did this all the ladies would swoon. 💕💓♥️
Jeez, you should be a voice actor..
Dempsey did fight under different rules in the 20's. It was a other sport back than.
Hey Ramsey, I've been watching your videos for a long time now and I'm always impressed by your content. Always sound, honest advice and I appreciate it. I am a former 2009 Isshinryu World Karate Champion but I no longer train just Karate. I compete in powerlifting now but I still shadow box and shadow wrestle at home and hit the bob dummy. I want to start a sparring club instead of joining an mma gym due to having to work alot and financial reasons. Should I be insured or use a waiver to protect myself legally? I only want a handful of dedicated training partners. I got the idea from the Dog brothers who seemed to have successfully started their own tribal stick fighting club. Any input will be very appreciated. Thank you!
Probably. But that depends entirely on the local laws where you live.
@@RamseyDewey okay thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I'll have to check out the laws and regulations for something like that for my area.
Ramsey, do you think that you could do tutorials of some of the moves that Dempsey talks about in his book? Especially the dropstep, I have had alot of problems getting that down.
Yep
Thank you! :-)
Have you every looked at the other older boxing manuals? I’d be curious what you think 😀
Do you consider firearm training & use a martial art
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thank you sir
Are there kicks that you can incorporate the drop step movement into or a way to deliver kicks where weight of the body is assisting in power generation?
Yes. Most of them.
2:55 Is the circus in town? The melodies distracted me quite a bit :))
Don't forget, Conor's also not as good a boxer as the best boxers:^)
And where's the proof for that?! Oh, wait... right... ;]
He's not the best of any single fighting art. But that's not the point, no one can be the best of everything. He is sort of all rounder who specialist in a narrow range of striking.
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When you lose, it IS the point.
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The point is no one can be the best of everything. You don't lose in MMA match if you are not the best of all. You lose if you:
1. bad luck, or
2. been a less fighter, or
3. your opponent out smart you, or
4. your opponent out last you
Some of the best MMA fighters are not best of any single art, but they are the best to use their strength and avoid their weakness.
you can put the best pro boxer in the cage, but if all he knew is boxing, then he's not going to win (most of time).
@@GuitarsRockForever Ok, if that's your point, it's YOUR point. Actually, it was too obvious to even bother posting: Conor wins a LOT of fights; he doesn't need YOU to explain that he doesn't need to be the best at any particular one fighting art:^) So why did he lose? Bad luck?:^), or to a better wrestler?
I think you will find dempsy most likely was an exponent of queens berry boxing which the modern simulation of that would be american kickboxing
actually BJJ is highly styled from JUDO as that was what old man gracie was trained in..
However here's a question in a street fight how often would you go to the ground with the full knowledge of mor than 1 attacker in sight for a fight..
I would not get into a street fight.
Nor would I guns would be my preferred engagement method..
though looking at the panic that is caused through a natural disaster I can quite understand why 90% is taught in a training hall is utterly pointless in a street fight..
the main point was that there is no rules in a street fight and you would not want to face a gang of 2 or more because you would be the looser..
BJJ looks grand on a mat or in a ring however taken out of its context of the ring it would useless outside of 1on1 use as anything goes in a street fight..
Much like the current flavor of the month in karate..
Nobody teaches the martial arts anymore and unless the person teaching enjoys breaking students bones you don't learn a thing..
thus why i asked what would happen in a street fight scenario where there is no rules and anything goes..
hypothetical would you go to the ground to finish someone off when there is more than person around???
Ramsey, i've been a martial artist since my late teens I already know the answer to the question I always try to avoid fighting however there is always a time to fight and a time of flight..
Hello Ramsey; I understand to be a fighter you have to train everything but due to time constraints. I work long hours and have a young family. I can only afford to train one thing; would you recommend I train BJJ or wrestling?
Sir, Please adopt me.
Ramsey please answer my doubt. I have commented on your previous video
Hi Ramsey I have a question I am a 17 year old and I have never trained in any fighting style but I am interested in learning Kudo but can I get good enough to compete at a professional level
Currently reading Dempeys book...Championship fighting : Explosive punching and aggressive defense.....
What are your thoughts on the falling step/jolt?
Hey coach I have a question, their is a Saying out their that “if your not coming into a fight without some type of injury then you did not train hard enough”, ever since I was young I played many sports and played through some injuries. Now that I am older and I practice boxing and MMA and want to start my amateur fights soon. I want to protect my body but I also don’t want to become fragile and pull out the moment I have the smallest pain. Where do I draw the line with injury’s and pain tolerance? To tell myself that some injury’s I can’t just grit my teeth and work through. because i might be able to tolerate the pain, but I also might hurt myself worse and take years off my potential fighting career/ life.
-Michael
Michael Gorilla by training you’ll get the stomach for the pain of just normally getting hit but the things that hurt the most are either things that cause permanent injury and you should stop or specific strikes that just fuckin hurt like leg kicks or liver kicks either one doesn’t require injury’s to avoid just be safe with your body you only get the one
What's the difference between wrestling and bjj?🤔
What is that back ground sound
Interesting.
Does one have to attend a Martial Arts teaching school to learn Martial Arts?... Stupid question, I know, but I would like to get an opinion if possible.. Thank you!
But what about the most prominent counter to Dempsey's style, the anti anti anti Dempsey Roll
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No, Jack Dempsey wouldn't have won against Hoist Gracie... cause Hoist wouldn't have gotten into a cage figh against Jack Dempsey XDDD
Ramsey what about ali's footwork can it be converted into muay thai ? And im not talking about the ali shuffle i want to know if his back pedal /dancing around the rind would be effective for muay thai
Lol I'm not Ramsey but since no one else has replied. Watch Samart Payakaroon, Saenchai, and other more technical Muay Thai fighters. There's a lot but those are the only ones I can think of the moment. Not quite the same but similar idea. Also, taekwondo fighters use similar footwork. Rick Roufus vs Kiatsongrit is a good fight to see ali style footwork with kicks, against a Muay Thai fighter.
@@chandlerbrown3041 yeah saenchai seems to take some inspiration from ali but i havent seen anyone use the back pedal due to the risk of leg kicks but i dont know i you can find your way around them
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Thanks for your very informative videos, Ramsey! I just read Jack Dempsey’s book and I’m trying to get the hang of his jab, and the falling step. I’m practicing on a heavy bag and it feels really awkward. Do you have any pointers on it?
This video is mostly about footwork for the straight right, but I do cover the falling step jab as well.
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Ramsey i sent the question long time. Hope u see