I theorize that, if the train is a time machine of sorts, then it targets individuals who were about to die because of their own actions. Amelia might have committed suicide, Tulip might have died lost in the cold, Jesse might have gone on to pull some dumb stunt for his jerk friends that would have gotten him killed, and so on. The train is literally their second chance at life.
I was surprised with Tuba, but with Simon, that surprised me the most because he is a main character so I thought he would live. I honestly thought he would of been sent to the back of the train -the caboose; and he would have is own story arc. Of course I am wrong. Simon's death freaked me out.
@@zacharyyamashita8554 Eh, he seems like a tragic victim of circumstance, imo. Like, he didn't just push Grace off the train, she admitted to not knowing why she saved him without skipping a beat. Simon, being in love with her, took this as the final straw and set out to kill her. Now is this necessarily Grace's fault? No and I will admit, this was exceedingly entitled on Simon to expect, but even I recoiled at how quickly she just said, "IDK." I mean, she cried more over a hologram than her best friend and second in command of SEVEN YEARS; girl's not right either and is more responsible than she cared to admit.
@@NoirRaven why does it matter whether Grace knew or not why she saved his life right then and there? How does that justify pushing her off the train? She still ended up saving Simon's life, even if she didn't know the "why?". And how does he repay that gesture? He pushes her off the train to her death, had the origami birds not saved. And if he pushed her off because she fell out of love, that's even worse, and a MASSIVE red flag regarding how he views a relationship. And sure, Grace is partially to blame for Simon's behavior, but everybody has to own up to their own actions. Sure, they were pretty much on the same wave lenght throughtout most of the show (since their world view wasn't so much as challenged for years), but they both learned the truth pretty much at the same time, and where one believed it and realized all she knew was a lie and one HUUUUUGE misunderstanding, the other vehemently refused to believe any of it and maintained his narrow point of view (which he got from an ELEVEN YEARS OLD who didn't know any better herself); and while one realized the residents of the train are also living beings similar to humans, with emotions and thoughts of their own, the other continued to see them as something akin to lifeless objects at worst or dangerous monsters at best
@@floricel_112 considering humans can jump twenty feet down onto the walkway without their shins jutting out of their knees, I'd say she'd survive the fall. Also, it's not a matter of knowing: it's the fact she showed more compassion over a hologram than her best friend of _seven years._ It's kind if psychopathic; being more attached to what is, essentially, a video game character than an actual friend and ally of a decade.
@@NoirRaven When you say "hologram" are you referring to Hazel? If so then of course Grace would have compassion for a seven year old girl who just lost her only parental figure and has only been sweet and kind ever since she met her. The fact that Hazel turned out to be a denizen doesn't change really much at all. It was fairly clear that she has the emotions and intelligence and awareness that makes humans human. Plus, Simon was being a dick but just because Grace couldn't show compassion in that one moment, when she must have physically and emotionally exhausted, doesn't mean she didn't have any compassion for him at all. She saved his life and was willing to save it again even after he pushed her off the train. She cried over his death. Remember when Simon confronted Grace in the cat's cabin, saying that she "didn't care" that he was distressed being around the source of his abandonment issues. She realized that what he was saying was true and apologized for being too caught up in her own problems to notice his.
Watching season 2 for the first time, I actually had to stop at the death of the lizard because I actually knew that exact situation. You love a small creature so deeply, but make one mistake or miscalculation, and they die at your hands. My anxiety spiked so high then, and honestly? Thinking about it now I'm tearing up. As a kid, it really is so hard knowing that you ended the life of something you loved, but you grow and move on. As silly as it is, I kinda hope we see the lizard girl again. I doubt we will, since clearly the next book is set up to follow Hazel and Amelia, but I can dream. Also when he said that Sieve and Mace were a romantic couple I legit paused the video and shouted "THEY WERE GAY??"
???? Exactly. I think they’re cool with people shipping the characters however they want, but I don’t think the mirror cops were actually in love. I got the impression Mace hated Sieve.
Something I really liked about Simon’s character was that despite the fact that he hated the cat, he still went to her for guidance and consolidation. Even if his motivations were led by wanting something from the cat, it’s obvious that he still thought of her as someone who would be there for him when Grace was drifting away. Also the fact that he noted that the cat was “collecting again” with that tired, yet concerned tone, indicates that he still worried about her. At least enough to know her sensibilities and habits throughout his time in the train. I think his relationship with the cat says so much about him as a person, because the cat was the subject of his denizen-trauma. But also someone who acted as his guardian, which we also see from her. She lets Grace, Hazel and Simon stay in her car because she still has a soft spot for Simon, and she sighs and helps him when he seeks her out. Despite only being able to offer her, as she is, with her flaws. Their relationship reminds me a lot of a parent/child, with a parent who has let down their child, despite good intentions. And the child, now an adult, can’t accept in their mind that their parent acted with love because the outcome was devastating for the child. But the child also acknowledges the parent as someone who they can lean on in hard times, despite not trusting them or getting along. It’s really such a shame that the two couldn’t figure out a way to work through the trauma together. Now they’re two grown ups who think it’s tough to see each other at the grocery store. It’s a very good portrait of the distanced relationship between parent and child, I think and honestly very relatable to me, at least.
Yeah well that's another thing about clinical narcissists and just narcissists in general. I mean this is just something that I've picked up because there has been someone in my life for the past 10 years who is a narcissist, But even though they drive people away they actually thrive and rely on other people. Whether it's because they have something that they can't live without or they rely on that person's feelings and emotions, they just basically don't want to admit it but they cannot rely on themselves at all and they always need somebody else for one thing or another even if they will never admit it and they act like they don't need anybody else.
I’d also like to point out when Simon is talking about funerals that he said “there’s no annoying neighbors with casseroles.” This implies he knows firsthand what funeral aftermaths are like, and has experienced loss outside of the train-In other words, he was on the train to deal with that loss, which may have manifested in losing Samantha
I like that line a lot. I have struggled with that fact. I would try to suppress my crying and only cry when I’m alone. I now know that crying is okay and that I shouldn’t suppress it anymore. I’ve gotten better about that but sometimes I still try to suppress it or hide it
I feel like Simon’s problem that got him on the Infinity Train in the first place was because his parents were abusing and neglectful which could explain his behavior as everything he ever wanted or like were probably said to be wrong by his parents.
@SpiritusC mental score? You mean his number or IQ? Having a lower number doesn't necessarily mean your trauma/problems are lesser or that you're dumber, just that your problems are easier to solve, provided you go along with the trains rules. Grace had a higher number because she went out of her way to be a delinquent while Simon seems to be a tragic victim of circumstance. Narcissists--at the time of writing--are raised, not born.
"I don't know how they are going to top Simon's death" Easy: Make them suffer. Mace had some of that but it was 'distanced' by having him be made of metal. It was also a relatively quick death, as was Simon's. They can easily add a slow death in book 4 where a character that suffers from deep depression just whittles away over time, one mental breakdown after the next where they can't help but lose all faith in being saved and putting themselves in a position where they can't be helped anymore because they don't trust anything or anyone to care about them, let alone help them.
And it probably if 1:cartoon network would show more episodes of this show instead of teen titans Go all the time and 2: HBO max wouldn't be a platform for US-Americans ONLY. *sad European noises*
I convinced my mom to watch infinity train with me (book 1-3) and we finished in one day and she cried at Tuba's funeral so she'll never say that again lol
I've found a potential meaning for Sieve's death and I want y'all to leave your opinions below: Sieve's death, to me at least, meant this: If you spend time trying to avenge your loved ones when you find out they're permanently gone, then you just may find yourself dead in vain with nothing left. To me, this symbolized how dark a path of revenge can lead to your own demise at the end of the day truly is overall. I should know because I almost went down that road, but luckily made it out with help, but since it seemed that Sieve's only solace was in Mace, he ended up corrupted by a desire for revenge which did end up killing him. A fate that can scare even the toughest people.
His wasn't a "trying to spend his time avenging" He never went on a path of revenge, but i think it's similar and you're on the right path. Sieve was clouded in hatred and wanted to avenge Mace, but if given the time I think he would've gotten over it, maybe not fully, but enough to not seek out Lake for revenge. If anything it relates more to Jesse's arc which is being dependent on others to a severe degree. Sieve didn't make the decisions, Sieve was thoughtful, and that made him care for others, and make him not want to upset Mace. He didn't make many decisions, so when Mace was gone he prolly felt lost, and finishing Mace's task was what he thought was the right thing to do. Dependence and being yourself is a motief in season 2, It's part of lake, The Apex, The Mirror Police, and (it's a little bit of a stretch) even Alan Dracula.
I don't think there was a meaning behind Sieve's death; he was in the way of the protagonist and had no means of progressing after losing Mace. I mean, he could have, sure, but the writers didn't want another mirror person as the protag after Lake. Though it does burn me they killed a gay dude and his partner; not that many could tell. It's more of the old hide/bury your gays tropes and it makes me sad that after SU, Star Vs and She-ra, that we're back to doing this crap. (I know, Voltron did it too.)
I just wish we could've seen what had happened to kid Simon before he got on the train. And what will Samantha's reaction be when she learns about Simon's fate?
Yeah I mean I don't really think we will but if we would that would be amazing because I really want to know what kind of life Simon had before the train. I mean it's ironic because Simon's number wasn't really all that high from what we saw when he was a kid, So he might not have had too big of an issue to deal with. Not that small issues don't matter they absolutely do, But I think it's funny how at first he had a pretty small number but then he went to having the highest number that we've seen. still my point is I do want to see what kind of life he had before the train, although now that he's dead that feels like a very low possibility.
I would have liked to see Simon’s life before the train as well. I think the only ways that we could possibly see that is either if Samantha of Grace talk about it since he might have told one of them about his home life. Even that feels like a small chance
the saddest part is simon only having 55 on his hand, when they first met, which leaves me to believe he wasn't inherently a sociopath. And things might have been so different for him
One thing I kind of want to find out is what would happen to a child born on the train I don't mean how Hazel is, I mean like two adults having a child together and being born on the train. Like what would the rules for that be? Would they stay on the train, be considered a denasen, or just a normal child without a number? What would happen if one or both parents finally left throuh their own door, would/could the child follow or would they be left on the train?
Simon died as a lesson for the audience to never be like him. Acknowledge your mistakes, have empathy, consider the possibility that you’re wrong, be selfless.
@@Zt-jpeg incredibly stressful and emotionally exhausting if not downright abusive. Narcissists believe they're always in the right and can't handle confrontation. They actually get pretty hostile if their ego is threatened. In my experience, whenever I got into a fight with my step dad, it was just futile because it would never get through his head that he can be wrong or a bad person. It always had to be someone else's fault, some crazy circumstance, or that you're remembering it wrong. He would also project his toxic behaviors into people as well. A simplified example is my step dad taking money from me to buy lottery tickets. When I tell him to stop wasting my money, he'd get mad at me and say that I'm greedy and ungrateful. Even when I tried to tell him how it's wrong, he'd go into a rampage about how "when he wins, he won't give me any share even if I come begging on my knees because I'm selfish"
While I think Simon's death was portrayed excellently, I kind of wished he hadn't died so quickly after he reached his lowest point. It was like killing off the villain once they reached their final form. This by no means ruined anything. I just wished we got to see this truly evil Simon longer, and to see him have to live with the consequences of his actions before he died. But what we got was spectacularly done as well
Great opinion, but on the other side, that was as far down he could go. The Simon we knew died when he kicked Grace off the train, resulting in him losing his mind, and the one who was killed by the ghom was no longer Simon.
Simons was the hardest. I felt like I was Simon, I am Simon, and his death felt like I couldn't redeem myself if I was like that.. I have the same issues as him with his abandonment issues, raised to be competitive when I kinda don't want to be, and just push people away who want to care for me.
I’d compare it to the river styx. You either bathe in it and come out stronger, or drown. It signifies the depths of depression and the calm that comes out of defeating it. I feel sympathy for Simon even though his actions were horrible because to leave the train is to learn an unspoken truth: accept the past
Honestly, Simon’s death hit hard. Not in like he was my favorite character, but the fact it was so brutal and he was so broken it was just like “Woah they did that and I think that’s that” it just made me go quiet and think about his character a lot which is probably what the writers were going for but dang. He was a really well written character and that’s nothing to sneeze at, usually when a character death doesn’t initiate either a super sad reaction or satisfied cheer afterwords it’s usually like “Oh well the character didn’t do much for the plot and didn’t have a story or personality” but that wasn’t the case and I found that really interesting. Idk man it was just intense lol
Oh my God my friend was watching 3rd season with me after I had watched it, convincing him to watch it by telling him who died in the fifth episode, just not when or how. HE CHOCKED WHEN IT HAPPENED HE KNEW IT WAS COMING BUT WAS STILL SHOCKED AF
I think I know why Simon was on the train in the first place that might also add to the abandonment issues. Perhaps a parent or other close family member died. There's a moment in the campfire car where Simon describes a funeral as saying a bunch of stuff and the "a bunch if annoying neighbors brining casseroles over" which is such an oddly specific details to use to describe a funeral unless you've been to one.
@@riddlerwillison3336 I don’t think they were gay, but I think Sieve might’ve been bicurious, maybe had even crushed on Mace. There’s a part where he tried cuffing the bottom of one of his pants legs, looked at it for a moment, said something like “Nah,” before deciding to roll the pants leg back down. Cuffing your pants is a well-known reference to being bisexual or gay, bisexual in particular as of now as far as I know. I saw Sieve cuffing his pants as a tease, and he’s also noticeably more emotionally attached to Mace than Mace is to him. So, at the very least, Sieve had a mild crush he was still figuring out and symbolically initially “rejected” the idea by rolling down his pants leg again. That’s my own pet theory, anyway. That little bit with the cuffing was Definitely deliberate, a lot of this show is queer-friendly. Lake is “unofficially” (but I think confirmed by writers? to be) non-binary/transmasculine, for example.
I think the passengers numbers are based on their emotions rather than their actions. The fact that Simon's numbers increases when he kills is because deep down he knows that it's wrong and he feels guilty for it. But he refuses to admit it and thinks that he's right. Prior to Book 3, Simon must have already killed a ton of denizens. But his increase in number is miniscule to the jump it took when he killed Tuba. I don't think it's because Tuba is a special denizens and more likely because Simon felt a genuine attachment towards her. Emotions that he locked up before killing her.
I'd argue it's still actions, but with a difference in intent -- he didn't see denizens as "real," while in comparison he knew and loved Grace for years. He left her to die, turned everyone against her, and tried to kill her directly (and thought he succeeded) -- and that's his best friend and crush. Mass Murder still made his number huge, but he had justified it to himself by saying they were video game constructs, basically -- maybe the train rationalized that by saying "well if he knew they were real people, he would feel remorse."
The thing that got me about tubas death was hazel. She begged grace to bring her back. She was promising to be good. That broke my heart, she was so young and blamed herself. That was what made it hurt so bad for me.
I cried when Atticus died and when Tuba and Simon died. This show is one of my all time favourite shows because of how gut wrenching it can get but how hopeful it is over all. It's a perfect representation of mental illness and trauma and what it's like to navigate through it
I like how, even back in season two, Grace had more empathy than Simon. When Jesse goes through the door, Simon calls him weak. Grace gets after him, saying Jesse was just misguided, and told Simon to have some respect. She felt loss when Jesse was “lost”, even if it was misguided.
I'm not someone who normally puts any real weight on the creator's interpretation of their own work, but I do feel a mild bit of satisfaction that the way I interpreted Simon's story ended up lining up pretty well with the way Lindsay explained it.
Simon and Grace were mirror images for themselves. Or rather a dark mirror to the other. Grace always had empathy for others, we saw that in the first episode she would talk to the other children on a personal level while Simon lacked it given how he said plainly to Hazel about wheeling Tuba without care that he knew damn well the connection she had with Tuba. The two were close, but they grew apart. The first scene with them is showing them in two separate locations; Grace in the clothes store, and Simon in the comic book shop. And when they come down the escalator, they ride down two separate sides as mirrors. And at the end, Grace goes down her escalator alone her dark mirror image gone and she rejects who he was; whereas Simon when he comes down the escalator is riding the middle, trying to be everything he and Grace were in one.
Mace’s death hit the hardest for me since it was the first, and was visually BRUTAL. Tuba is a close second. The lizard messed me up something fierce because THAT WASN’T A FICTIONAL DENIZEN, THATS A REAL LIZARD IN A VERY REAL SCENARIO and with a little lizard of my own it got me so freaked out. Sieve is next bc it was animated so beautifully. Sadly, Simon is last for me. It was so quick and I was already reeling from Grace being pushed off the train, the visually stunning scene of Simon losing it, and the reveal that Grace SURVIVED (thru a deus ex machina that i’m a teeny bit peeved over) so there was no time to breathe and digest what had happened and so it lost any emotional response it could’ve gotten if it was spaced out a bit more. Anyways I believe in infinity train supremacy.
You guys forgot Bugle's death. Sure it wasn't an on screen death, and we have almost no information about it. However it's still a significant death to help show that the denizens are truly their own thing even outside how they help passengers
Infinity train is truly amazing and more people need to watch it. I honestly think it has surpassed Steven Universe and kinda Advebture time. This show needs more attention! Let's save infinity train people!
I watched the last two episodes of Book 3 as soon as the clock struck midnight on August 27. Simon's death was so shocking that I didn't sleep for the rest of the night. I just laid there holding back my tears until they slowly leaked out, refusing to fall asleep and risk having that scene appear in my mind and invoke feelings of fear. I felt rested by morning, but not fully comfortable. It took a few days and multiple viewings of Simon's death for things to feel normal again.
I do hope they explore more of Grace's story in the next season. What happens to a person who's been on the train for literal years? Do they get sent back to their original age before they boarded the train? Or do they come back to a world where they've been missing? Which fate is worse/more complicated? Going back in the body of a child and having the adult mindset, trying to pretend you're not a 20 year old in a ten year old body? Or going back as is, and dealing with a world that has moved on without you?
Canonically, time passes normally on both sides. Grace is older, as are her parents and everyone she left behind for eight years. The creator mentions that this affects passengers' other relationships "poorly."
@@oldspicelaundrydetergent7071 Shame that isn't seen in the actual show, cause that would mean Tulip was missing for... what, a month? A couple of weeks? But she goes back and we don't see the aftermath.
@@thejaycrewsshow9827 If you liked infinity train you may also like Over the garden wall, it has only 10 episodes and in my opinion is marginally better than Infinity train. I just want to say if you have time, you should give it a try.
Book 1: We killed a dog. But brought him back to life. Book 2: We killed 2 beings. But they were not *human* beings. Book 3: We killed a Gorilla and a human being. CN : But...? Book 3: *PERIOD*
Atticus's death. Even though it was later overwritten, it was still one of the most horrible scenes for me to watch, and I felt like crying the entire time.
Bruh, Infinity Train absolutely killed me throughout all 3 seasons, especially season 2. Tuba's death was so sad and since Hazel was so young and realizing someone seen as a mother figure to her died in the hands of a brutal person made the scene ten times sadder.
yeah, simon might have ben a jerk but i think i would've been nice if he got reedeemed. Or maybe, make book 4 about what happens to the apex and how he grows as a person. But eh, we know that wasn't going to happen. We can dream tho. I still don't think he deserved that death. He was just traumatized and depressed. It is also clear he had a major crush on Grace, and feeling her drift apart like that must have ben hard. It's just heartbreaking how nothing really was solved and this guy just died. He was, well, jealous ngl. He was like ''I liked what we had'' and he cried when he found out Grace lied to him to protect Hazel. His major problem was that he didn't want to change, and felt like Grace was drifting away because she was looking forward to growing as a person, and he felt like that was betrayal. It's just sad thinking nothing really happened and he didn't deserve to die. He was just sabotaging himself mostly in The new apex when pushing grace away, and started laughing like he knew it was a mistake. It's just really painful.
Tbh it simon who put in her had the idea that you're supposed to have a high number when he asked her how she got her number so high. We actually don't whether or nor she was trying to get it down or if she had her own denizen but from that point her number alongside his only went up.
I was shocked that apparently the mirror cops were romantic with each other. While I don't discourage such relationships, I thought it would be more convincing that the 2 were brothers-at-arms and that explained their connection. Mostly because their connection seems a more professional and line-of-duty like. Either way, you still get the "You killed my PARTNER" moment so I guess it really doesn't matter.
They cant be bothers. Flecs are basicly melted reflections made of metal. They do have emotions but no one is blood releated cause they dont born like humans. I dont know how are created but I know they arent like humans.
Everyone interprets things (including death) differently, however discussing these matters in a safe and healthy way can help us all in the long run. (Let's just hope that fans don't start interpreting Simon's character and subsequent death as having some "deeper, Political meaning"!)
Simon was a great character. Or guess it's more of a well made character. We all saw what Simon used to be when he was a kid and what he had become. He was a product of the train that was meant to help him.
I loved this show in season 1. Season 2 started to show red flags with the subtle messaging. Season 3 has shown HBOMax's and Cartoon Network's true feelings. It's a shame. I really loved this show..
ngl, quite frankly, the writers are kinda. ableist to people with actual NPD in their tweets tbh. also, conflating empathy with compassion is a no-go, compassion is the thing you need. some people have conditions that make empathy a little bit fucky, burnout exists, several things like that. empathy is not required to be a decent human being. compassion, however, is.
All in all, Simon’s death got to me the most, but less only because of the darker content we see and the brutal delivery of it, but specifically his number at the end, when he pushes Grace off the train. He goes through all the stages of grief but slips and seems to fall into some form of near-insanity near the end. He thinks that he’s unstoppable, that he’s all powerful now, but all he is is consumed by the number on his body, and then by the Gohm that does him in. Frankly, it’s terrifying
What if the next season began with previous former passengers all in the same therapy building, and word of the train sort of began rising on earth, but the one person who wasn’t in therapy because of the train was the one who gets on, because that person wasn’t opening up about their problems enough, so bam, train. (Also, despite seeing how grace got on the train, I wanna see more people get on the train, I feel like that hasn’t been looked at enough).
Tubahs (tubah right idk) death has the must impact on me making me super shocked and even cry a little I was so sad and couldn’t believe what Simon did I thought of him as a monster for doing that but I still feel bad for what happened in the beginning and end of his life. Well there’s my answer
If there's a Book Four, wouldn't it be cool if it revolved around the train rejectjng One-One and sending out robots or something to reset or replace him, since in the interview on the Infinity Train Book One DVD for The Unfinished Car it is said that One-One used to just be a single cold, logical robot called One, but when Amelia ripped him out of the control panel and he lost his memories he split his personality to help with the loneliness of The Snow Car. Would Amelia and Hazel try to save him? Due to Amelia's actions One-One is permanently damaged and Hazel lives a disturbed life without a place in the world, but all of that is because Amelia is damaged too, and the real lesson that will get her off the train will be making sure One-One learns to live with and grow from his damage instead of resetting back to the status quo like she tried to do, which left One-One and Hazel as they are. I think the train will want to delete Hazel too, since she's like a virus, spreading a glitch in the train's code, causing phone booths, college campuses, and turtles to appear in every car she passes through. Even if the turtle transformations are untreatable, I have a feeling Amelia would at least be able to reencode her enough to stop her from spreading a glitch. Hazel and Amelia both see themselves as mistakes, and I have a feeling One-One does too (at least, Sad-One does), but as they traverse the train they could learn that you can't always fix your problems, but you can always learn from them. And if Amelia exits the train, Hazel could stay with One-One, or maybe even Grace, whatever she's up to. Unless, of course, One-One actually does get reset, and technically dies, which would be particularly upsetting since we've known him since the first episode. But I wouldn't put it past them.
I would like to see infinity train tackle something like addiction. How the need to escape into a happy feeling can be a really really really hard thing to feel like you can overcome. Escapism is a prominent issue in society today.. I think that this topic could be examined in a profound way while still making sense to the target audience. Maybe not drugs or alcohol but something like video games or music or whatever. Still..an addictive personality is what it is. Someone who feels they need to escape from problems rather than facing them will eventually need to address whatever trauma is causing them to feel like they are “happier” in another place or mindset. What better place to recognize this lesson than the growth train? Toot toot.
I theorize that, if the train is a time machine of sorts, then it targets individuals who were about to die because of their own actions. Amelia might have committed suicide, Tulip might have died lost in the cold, Jesse might have gone on to pull some dumb stunt for his jerk friends that would have gotten him killed, and so on. The train is literally their second chance at life.
Neat.
I would be far less mad at its creator then. XD
Wow I loved that theory and I hope that we can see that
I love this theory !! I never even connected that as a commonality
I never thought about that but you could be right
“I thought this was a kid’s show”
My exact thoughts when rewatching Gravity Falls.
Just another goofy episode with silly jokes for kids
We are just getting better at talking about death the more children are exposed to it
Steven universe-
Instrumentality1000 can’t argue with that
"We don't make entertainment for kids, but we don't exclude them as an audience." - Dan Povenmire, co-creator of Phineas and Ferb
_Character gets bruhed out of existance_
People die when they are killed
And the floor is made of floor.
Ah, I found you again.
hahaha found u early
*people die when they are killed*
Or do they? 🧐
@Your best Nightmare *le gasp*
“Funerals have people talk at them”
-Hazel 2020
Me every time there’s an emotional scene: Okay but the music tho-
MT/Lakes theme or the book 2 theme or whatever its called definitely made up for its season🎶
jokes aside ALL OF THE SONGS ARE AMAZING
I wish they released the soundtracks of Books 2 and 3
Now let's be fair here how is this scrawny ass blonde guy gonna pull UP gorilla 5x the size of him and has 2 tubas on his back
BlueDiamondFalls same lol
I was surprised with Tuba,
but with Simon, that surprised me the most because he is a main character so I thought he would live. I honestly thought he would of been sent to the back of the train -the caboose; and he would have is own story arc. Of course I am wrong.
Simon's death freaked me out.
SIMONS death was exciting to me, that guy turned into a true psychopath.
@@zacharyyamashita8554 Eh, he seems like a tragic victim of circumstance, imo. Like, he didn't just push Grace off the train, she admitted to not knowing why she saved him without skipping a beat. Simon, being in love with her, took this as the final straw and set out to kill her.
Now is this necessarily Grace's fault? No and I will admit, this was exceedingly entitled on Simon to expect, but even I recoiled at how quickly she just said, "IDK." I mean, she cried more over a hologram than her best friend and second in command of SEVEN YEARS; girl's not right either and is more responsible than she cared to admit.
@@NoirRaven why does it matter whether Grace knew or not why she saved his life right then and there? How does that justify pushing her off the train? She still ended up saving Simon's life, even if she didn't know the "why?". And how does he repay that gesture? He pushes her off the train to her death, had the origami birds not saved. And if he pushed her off because she fell out of love, that's even worse, and a MASSIVE red flag regarding how he views a relationship. And sure, Grace is partially to blame for Simon's behavior, but everybody has to own up to their own actions. Sure, they were pretty much on the same wave lenght throughtout most of the show (since their world view wasn't so much as challenged for years), but they both learned the truth pretty much at the same time, and where one believed it and realized all she knew was a lie and one HUUUUUGE misunderstanding, the other vehemently refused to believe any of it and maintained his narrow point of view (which he got from an ELEVEN YEARS OLD who didn't know any better herself); and while one realized the residents of the train are also living beings similar to humans, with emotions and thoughts of their own, the other continued to see them as something akin to lifeless objects at worst or dangerous monsters at best
@@floricel_112 considering humans can jump twenty feet down onto the walkway without their shins jutting out of their knees, I'd say she'd survive the fall. Also, it's not a matter of knowing: it's the fact she showed more compassion over a hologram than her best friend of _seven years._ It's kind if psychopathic; being more attached to what is, essentially, a video game character than an actual friend and ally of a decade.
@@NoirRaven
When you say "hologram" are you referring to Hazel? If so then of course Grace would have compassion for a seven year old girl who just lost her only parental figure and has only been sweet and kind ever since she met her. The fact that Hazel turned out to be a denizen doesn't change really much at all. It was fairly clear that she has the emotions and intelligence and awareness that makes humans human.
Plus, Simon was being a dick but just because Grace couldn't show compassion in that one moment, when she must have physically and emotionally exhausted, doesn't mean she didn't have any compassion for him at all. She saved his life and was willing to save it again even after he pushed her off the train. She cried over his death. Remember when Simon confronted Grace in the cat's cabin, saying that she "didn't care" that he was distressed being around the source of his abandonment issues. She realized that what he was saying was true and apologized for being too caught up in her own problems to notice his.
Watching season 2 for the first time, I actually had to stop at the death of the lizard because I actually knew that exact situation. You love a small creature so deeply, but make one mistake or miscalculation, and they die at your hands. My anxiety spiked so high then, and honestly? Thinking about it now I'm tearing up. As a kid, it really is so hard knowing that you ended the life of something you loved, but you grow and move on. As silly as it is, I kinda hope we see the lizard girl again. I doubt we will, since clearly the next book is set up to follow Hazel and Amelia, but I can dream.
Also when he said that Sieve and Mace were a romantic couple I legit paused the video and shouted "THEY WERE GAY??"
i mean it was pretty clear that they had some kind of bromance
I don’t think they were actually written to be, it’s just a ship.
@@americanprude5828 I thought Lake and Jesse were at the beginning of a canon romantic relationship, but I guess they were meant to be platonic.
???? Exactly. I think they’re cool with people shipping the characters however they want, but I don’t think the mirror cops were actually in love. I got the impression Mace hated Sieve.
@@americanprude5828 yeah, he was sort of like the bumbling sidekick.
Something I really liked about Simon’s character was that despite the fact that he hated the cat, he still went to her for guidance and consolidation. Even if his motivations were led by wanting something from the cat, it’s obvious that he still thought of her as someone who would be there for him when Grace was drifting away. Also the fact that he noted that the cat was “collecting again” with that tired, yet concerned tone, indicates that he still worried about her. At least enough to know her sensibilities and habits throughout his time in the train.
I think his relationship with the cat says so much about him as a person, because the cat was the subject of his denizen-trauma. But also someone who acted as his guardian, which we also see from her. She lets Grace, Hazel and Simon stay in her car because she still has a soft spot for Simon, and she sighs and helps him when he seeks her out. Despite only being able to offer her, as she is, with her flaws. Their relationship reminds me a lot of a parent/child, with a parent who has let down their child, despite good intentions. And the child, now an adult, can’t accept in their mind that their parent acted with love because the outcome was devastating for the child. But the child also acknowledges the parent as someone who they can lean on in hard times, despite not trusting them or getting along. It’s really such a shame that the two couldn’t figure out a way to work through the trauma together. Now they’re two grown ups who think it’s tough to see each other at the grocery store. It’s a very good portrait of the distanced relationship between parent and child, I think and honestly very relatable to me, at least.
Pls doni call me out like that.........
Yeah well that's another thing about clinical narcissists and just narcissists in general.
I mean this is just something that I've picked up because there has been someone in my life for the past 10 years who is a narcissist, But even though they drive people away they actually thrive and rely on other people. Whether it's because they have something that they can't live without or they rely on that person's feelings and emotions, they just basically don't want to admit it but they cannot rely on themselves at all and they always need somebody else for one thing or another even if they will never admit it and they act like they don't need anybody else.
I’d also like to point out when Simon is talking about funerals that he said “there’s no annoying neighbors with casseroles.” This implies he knows firsthand what funeral aftermaths are like, and has experienced loss outside of the train-In other words, he was on the train to deal with that loss, which may have manifested in losing Samantha
my initial thought when he said that was "oh, he must be from the midwest"
*It's okay to cry*
- One-One
this line made me cry for 4 days straight lmao i needed that
THAT HIT HARD
Ma heart
I like that line a lot. I have struggled with that fact. I would try to suppress my crying and only cry when I’m alone. I now know that crying is okay and that I shouldn’t suppress it anymore. I’ve gotten better about that but sometimes I still try to suppress it or hide it
One one is cute
I feel like Simon’s problem that got him on the Infinity Train in the first place was because his parents were abusing and neglectful which could explain his behavior as everything he ever wanted or like were probably said to be wrong by his parents.
@SpiritusC mental score? You mean his number or IQ? Having a lower number doesn't necessarily mean your trauma/problems are lesser or that you're dumber, just that your problems are easier to solve, provided you go along with the trains rules. Grace had a higher number because she went out of her way to be a delinquent while Simon seems to be a tragic victim of circumstance. Narcissists--at the time of writing--are raised, not born.
@SpiritusC that could probably be why grace's number went down a lot faster than emilia's number.
"I don't know how they are going to top Simon's death"
Easy: Make them suffer. Mace had some of that but it was 'distanced' by having him be made of metal. It was also a relatively quick death, as was Simon's. They can easily add a slow death in book 4 where a character that suffers from deep depression just whittles away over time, one mental breakdown after the next where they can't help but lose all faith in being saved and putting themselves in a position where they can't be helped anymore because they don't trust anything or anyone to care about them, let alone help them.
oh shit, well damn
Slow down edgelord, remember that these deaths are supposed to be ultimately meaningful not just impactful
That kind of WAS Simon’s death though.
I love/hate the deaths on infinity train, but, BUT, what if we have a calm book instead?
Are.......are you okay :(?
I hope Infinity Train lasts forever it’s such an amazing show & it deserves more than 3 seasons
8 are planned (5 more)
@Jackson Holcomb and the way this show runs like a broom paradox you can bet they can keep going
J 20 oh hell yeah
That choice of words, starter...
There's a chance infinity train may not be renewed on HBO Max, cuz of multiple laid offs and stories being too dark or mature for children
Infinity Train is amazing and deserves a lot more attention than it does r n
I sub number 70 my dude
Agreed
@@matthausrochleder2437 thanks for subing XD
Gravity Vs The Forces Of Universe I got you fam
And it probably if 1:cartoon network would show more episodes of this show instead of teen titans Go all the time and 2: HBO max wouldn't be a platform for US-Americans ONLY. *sad European noises*
You know that moment when your parents say "It's just a cartoon."
"it's just a live action show mom"
Well, it IS just a cartoon.
I convinced my mom to watch infinity train with me (book 1-3) and we finished in one day and she cried at Tuba's funeral so she'll never say that again lol
I've found a potential meaning for Sieve's death and I want y'all to leave your opinions below:
Sieve's death, to me at least, meant this:
If you spend time trying to avenge your loved ones when you find out they're permanently gone, then you just may find yourself dead in vain with nothing left. To me, this symbolized how dark a path of revenge can lead to your own demise at the end of the day truly is overall. I should know because I almost went down that road, but luckily made it out with help, but since it seemed that Sieve's only solace was in Mace, he ended up corrupted by a desire for revenge which did end up killing him. A fate that can scare even the toughest people.
His wasn't a "trying to spend his time avenging" He never went on a path of revenge, but i think it's similar and you're on the right path. Sieve was clouded in hatred and wanted to avenge Mace, but if given the time I think he would've gotten over it, maybe not fully, but enough to not seek out Lake for revenge. If anything it relates more to Jesse's arc which is being dependent on others to a severe degree. Sieve didn't make the decisions, Sieve was thoughtful, and that made him care for others, and make him not want to upset Mace. He didn't make many decisions, so when Mace was gone he prolly felt lost, and finishing Mace's task was what he thought was the right thing to do. Dependence and being yourself is a motief in season 2, It's part of lake, The Apex, The Mirror Police, and (it's a little bit of a stretch) even Alan Dracula.
@@Nennecatgirl I guess we both made good points on finding the meaning behind Sieve's death. Nice work! 😂😁😁😁🤩🤩🤩🤩
how did simon get on the train
@@dianaballsepulveda Good question, as they never told us.
I don't think there was a meaning behind Sieve's death; he was in the way of the protagonist and had no means of progressing after losing Mace. I mean, he could have, sure, but the writers didn't want another mirror person as the protag after Lake.
Though it does burn me they killed a gay dude and his partner; not that many could tell. It's more of the old hide/bury your gays tropes and it makes me sad that after SU, Star Vs and She-ra, that we're back to doing this crap. (I know, Voltron did it too.)
I just wish we could've seen what had happened to kid Simon before he got on the train. And what will Samantha's reaction be when she learns about Simon's fate?
Yeah I mean I don't really think we will but if we would that would be amazing because I really want to know what kind of life Simon had before the train. I mean it's ironic because Simon's number wasn't really all that high from what we saw when he was a kid, So he might not have had too big of an issue to deal with.
Not that small issues don't matter they absolutely do, But I think it's funny how at first he had a pretty small number but then he went to having the highest number that we've seen.
still my point is I do want to see what kind of life he had before the train, although now that he's dead that feels like a very low possibility.
I would have liked to see Simon’s life before the train as well. I think the only ways that we could possibly see that is either if Samantha of Grace talk about it since he might have told one of them about his home life. Even that feels like a small chance
Infinity Was NOT Made for Kids. Change My Mind....I’ll wait
Can’t change the truth because that would be lying.
Aren't pretty much all cartoon shows nowadays not made for kids?
Gravity vs the forces of universe yes
Barley anything on cartoon network is really for kids
@@thejaycrewsshow9827 tEen TiTAnS gO
the saddest part is simon only having 55 on his hand, when they first met, which leaves me to believe he wasn't inherently a sociopath. And things might have been so different for him
Simon is the best example that the Train is as helpful as it is dangerous. Unfortunate circumstances turned Simon into the person he was.
Goodbye Mace, Sieve, Tuba, and Simon! I miss you already and it's emotionally confusing.
I mean, I think mace was a really good character.
e after mace and sieve's death: **auto-tuned baby crying**
while it was sad I can’t say I miss Simon at all
I don't miss Mace at all. His death was so satisfying (at least imo)
One thing I kind of want to find out is what would happen to a child born on the train
I don't mean how Hazel is, I mean like two adults having a child together and being born on the train.
Like what would the rules for that be? Would they stay on the train, be considered a denasen, or just a normal child without a number?
What would happen if one or both parents finally left throuh their own door, would/could the child follow or would they be left on the train?
That what I originally thought hazel was
The more we learn/think about the train the more fucked up it's revealed to be. I WOULD LIKE A WORD WITH THE MANAGER.
That's what I thought hazel was! I figured her mom left the train, and without a number hazel was seperated, leaving her with tuba.
i'd say the infant would have automatically a number of zero ?
I think the child would count as a denizen
*_"Mommy, why isn't the little doggy moving?"_*
no stop
What?
"Dont worry sweetie hes moving now and turning into a horrible monster, now you know there are worse fates than death"
Take the shotgun
"He's in his napping, ...forever"
Everytime I see Simon on screen one thing goes through my mind where can I find those magnetic boots and how much do they cost
I need them
I NEEEEEEED it
Yes.Those boots are awesome.
Simon died as a lesson for the audience to never be like him. Acknowledge your mistakes, have empathy, consider the possibility that you’re wrong, be selfless.
I didn’t know Simon was a clinical narcissist. As someone who dealt with one, they’re really beyond saving.
Dear god i know. I was fathered by one
@@jaylanwilliams5519 sameee
As someone who dosent know
Can you tell me what it's like?
@@Zt-jpeg incredibly stressful and emotionally exhausting if not downright abusive. Narcissists believe they're always in the right and can't handle confrontation. They actually get pretty hostile if their ego is threatened.
In my experience, whenever I got into a fight with my step dad, it was just futile because it would never get through his head that he can be wrong or a bad person. It always had to be someone else's fault, some crazy circumstance, or that you're remembering it wrong. He would also project his toxic behaviors into people as well.
A simplified example is my step dad taking money from me to buy lottery tickets. When I tell him to stop wasting my money, he'd get mad at me and say that I'm greedy and ungrateful. Even when I tried to tell him how it's wrong, he'd go into a rampage about how "when he wins, he won't give me any share even if I come begging on my knees because I'm selfish"
Person- Breaker my dad once goaded a man to shoot at us and then called HIM an idiot after he did
While I think Simon's death was portrayed excellently, I kind of wished he hadn't died so quickly after he reached his lowest point. It was like killing off the villain once they reached their final form. This by no means ruined anything. I just wished we got to see this truly evil Simon longer, and to see him have to live with the consequences of his actions before he died. But what we got was spectacularly done as well
Great opinion, but on the other side, that was as far down he could go. The Simon we knew died when he kicked Grace off the train, resulting in him losing his mind, and the one who was killed by the ghom was no longer Simon.
Simons was the hardest. I felt like I was Simon, I am Simon, and his death felt like I couldn't redeem myself if I was like that.. I have the same issues as him with his abandonment issues, raised to be competitive when I kinda don't want to be, and just push people away who want to care for me.
Simon would never admit he had problems. You knowing you have issues that need work makes you quite the opposite of Simon if that's any comfort.
What a coincidence that I was just rewatching Simon's death scene.
That’s how RUclips brought me here...
The deaths have had such a hard impact on this show.
Book 1: Awww what a cute lil doggy!
Book 3: don’t be a worry baby 😭
Am i the only one who thinks Atticus didn't die? I mean, they made it look like it, but i think it was just a gohm orb that was equipped in the gun.
This train isn’t Neverland, it’s Pan’s Labyrinth.
I’d compare it to the river styx. You either bathe in it and come out stronger, or drown. It signifies the depths of depression and the calm that comes out of defeating it. I feel sympathy for Simon even though his actions were horrible because to leave the train is to learn an unspoken truth: accept the past
I thought you were going to teference Promised Neverland.
Neverland wasn’t all sunshine and roses either.
Honestly, Simon’s death hit hard. Not in like he was my favorite character, but the fact it was so brutal and he was so broken it was just like “Woah they did that and I think that’s that” it just made me go quiet and think about his character a lot which is probably what the writers were going for but dang. He was a really well written character and that’s nothing to sneeze at, usually when a character death doesn’t initiate either a super sad reaction or satisfied cheer afterwords it’s usually like “Oh well the character didn’t do much for the plot and didn’t have a story or personality” but that wasn’t the case and I found that really interesting. Idk man it was just intense lol
Oh my God my friend was watching 3rd season with me after I had watched it, convincing him to watch it by telling him who died in the fifth episode, just not when or how.
HE CHOCKED WHEN IT HAPPENED
HE KNEW IT WAS COMING BUT WAS STILL SHOCKED AF
I think I know why Simon was on the train in the first place that might also add to the abandonment issues.
Perhaps a parent or other close family member died. There's a moment in the campfire car where Simon describes a funeral as saying a bunch of stuff and the "a bunch if annoying neighbors brining casseroles over" which is such an oddly specific details to use to describe a funeral unless you've been to one.
I now look at mace and Steve in a different way now knowing they were In love and together
I dont lol actually now its fucking disgusting and creepy
Sounds a little odd to me, is there any link to that "confirmatión" of that staff member?
I just think they were doing their jobs
@@riddlerwillison3336 I don’t think they were gay, but I think Sieve might’ve been bicurious, maybe had even crushed on Mace. There’s a part where he tried cuffing the bottom of one of his pants legs, looked at it for a moment, said something like “Nah,” before deciding to roll the pants leg back down. Cuffing your pants is a well-known reference to being bisexual or gay, bisexual in particular as of now as far as I know. I saw Sieve cuffing his pants as a tease, and he’s also noticeably more emotionally attached to Mace than Mace is to him. So, at the very least, Sieve had a mild crush he was still figuring out and symbolically initially “rejected” the idea by rolling down his pants leg again.
That’s my own pet theory, anyway. That little bit with the cuffing was Definitely deliberate, a lot of this show is queer-friendly. Lake is “unofficially” (but I think confirmed by writers? to be) non-binary/transmasculine, for example.
I think the passengers numbers are based on their emotions rather than their actions. The fact that Simon's numbers increases when he kills is because deep down he knows that it's wrong and he feels guilty for it. But he refuses to admit it and thinks that he's right.
Prior to Book 3, Simon must have already killed a ton of denizens. But his increase in number is miniscule to the jump it took when he killed Tuba. I don't think it's because Tuba is a special denizens and more likely because Simon felt a genuine attachment towards her. Emotions that he locked up before killing her.
I'd argue it's still actions, but with a difference in intent -- he didn't see denizens as "real," while in comparison he knew and loved Grace for years. He left her to die, turned everyone against her, and tried to kill her directly (and thought he succeeded) -- and that's his best friend and crush. Mass Murder still made his number huge, but he had justified it to himself by saying they were video game constructs, basically -- maybe the train rationalized that by saying "well if he knew they were real people, he would feel remorse."
the deaths break me every time--
The thing that got me about tubas death was hazel. She begged grace to bring her back. She was promising to be good.
That broke my heart, she was so young and blamed herself. That was what made it hurt so bad for me.
I cried when Atticus died and when Tuba and Simon died. This show is one of my all time favourite shows because of how gut wrenching it can get but how hopeful it is over all. It's a perfect representation of mental illness and trauma and what it's like to navigate through it
Lol I've JUST finished the series and not even 10 minutes later this pops up in my feed
I like how, even back in season two, Grace had more empathy than Simon. When Jesse goes through the door, Simon calls him weak. Grace gets after him, saying Jesse was just misguided, and told Simon to have some respect. She felt loss when Jesse was “lost”, even if it was misguided.
I'm not someone who normally puts any real weight on the creator's interpretation of their own work, but I do feel a mild bit of satisfaction that the way I interpreted Simon's story ended up lining up pretty well with the way Lindsay explained it.
I wonder how dark book books four is going to be
Simon and Grace were mirror images for themselves. Or rather a dark mirror to the other. Grace always had empathy for others, we saw that in the first episode she would talk to the other children on a personal level while Simon lacked it given how he said plainly to Hazel about wheeling Tuba without care that he knew damn well the connection she had with Tuba.
The two were close, but they grew apart. The first scene with them is showing them in two separate locations; Grace in the clothes store, and Simon in the comic book shop. And when they come down the escalator, they ride down two separate sides as mirrors. And at the end, Grace goes down her escalator alone her dark mirror image gone and she rejects who he was; whereas Simon when he comes down the escalator is riding the middle, trying to be everything he and Grace were in one.
Mace’s death hit the hardest for me since it was the first, and was visually BRUTAL. Tuba is a close second. The lizard messed me up something fierce because THAT WASN’T A FICTIONAL DENIZEN, THATS A REAL LIZARD IN A VERY REAL SCENARIO and with a little lizard of my own it got me so freaked out. Sieve is next bc it was animated so beautifully. Sadly, Simon is last for me. It was so quick and I was already reeling from Grace being pushed off the train, the visually stunning scene of Simon losing it, and the reveal that Grace SURVIVED (thru a deus ex machina that i’m a teeny bit peeved over) so there was no time to breathe and digest what had happened and so it lost any emotional response it could’ve gotten if it was spaced out a bit more. Anyways I believe in infinity train supremacy.
You guys forgot Bugle's death. Sure it wasn't an on screen death, and we have almost no information about it. However it's still a significant death to help show that the denizens are truly their own thing even outside how they help passengers
Simon's death had me shaking when I saw it. I was even spoiled on it and it still hit me in the ass
He missed the most important death the gome
That dude had a very bad diarrhea.
I feel like they'll top Simon's death somehow.....
I wonder how Samantha the cat is gonna react to Simon's death? Maybe she blames Grace?
Samantha probably wouldn’t care less, Simon brought all that negativity on himself.
Infinity train is truly amazing and more people need to watch it. I honestly think it has surpassed Steven Universe and kinda Advebture time. This show needs more attention! Let's save infinity train people!
Such a smooth transition at 3:53
I watched the last two episodes of Book 3 as soon as the clock struck midnight on August 27. Simon's death was so shocking that I didn't sleep for the rest of the night. I just laid there holding back my tears until they slowly leaked out, refusing to fall asleep and risk having that scene appear in my mind and invoke feelings of fear. I felt rested by morning, but not fully comfortable. It took a few days and multiple viewings of Simon's death for things to feel normal again.
The only time I really balled my eyes out was when hazel sang the lullaby 🥺
Mace: dies
Me: wow this show is dark!
Tuba: dies
Me: 👁👄👁
Is this what being early feels like-
I thought Tuba's death was depressing.But what made it more depressing was watching Hazel being super depressed."I'll be Tuba." 😭😭😭
I hope we get the other five books because I would love to see where they go with it.
Bro my viewpoint on mace and sieve has drastically changed....
They made mace into one of the coolest characters in his final hours!
retro nemo does such a good job covering this series, hope to see more vids by him in the future
*the kids watching Simon getting turned into ashes: 🧍♀️🧍♂️🧍*
I do hope they explore more of Grace's story in the next season. What happens to a person who's been on the train for literal years? Do they get sent back to their original age before they boarded the train? Or do they come back to a world where they've been missing? Which fate is worse/more complicated? Going back in the body of a child and having the adult mindset, trying to pretend you're not a 20 year old in a ten year old body? Or going back as is, and dealing with a world that has moved on without you?
Canonically, time passes normally on both sides. Grace is older, as are her parents and everyone she left behind for eight years. The creator mentions that this affects passengers' other relationships "poorly."
@@oldspicelaundrydetergent7071 Shame that isn't seen in the actual show, cause that would mean Tulip was missing for... what, a month? A couple of weeks? But she goes back and we don't see the aftermath.
Huh, didn't know that Nick Valentine was in this.
Whose that?
@@PeterGriffin11 Fallout 4 character.
It's one of the most well-written things I've ever seen
Can I just say I freaking Love this show
Yes
this show is not afraid to kill off a character
"Book for is poised to focus more on amelia"
Owen denis: lmao guitar boi
I love your videos 😍😊
I love this show
Me too.
SAME I LOVE INFINITY TRAIN
Me:no show can beat adventure time or Steven universe
Infinity train:hold my drink
It's awesome
@@thejaycrewsshow9827 If you liked infinity train you may also like Over the garden wall, it has only 10 episodes and in my opinion is marginally better than Infinity train. I just want to say if you have time, you should give it a try.
Book 1: We killed a dog. But brought him back to life.
Book 2: We killed 2 beings. But they were not *human* beings.
Book 3: We killed a Gorilla and a human being.
CN : But...?
Book 3: *PERIOD*
Atticus's death. Even though it was later overwritten, it was still one of the most horrible scenes for me to watch, and I felt like crying the entire time.
I thought this show was about getting your life back on track.
Get it cause train tracks.
Okay but Tuba's death broke me
Thanks for making this video!!
omg I paused at 7:37, and I noticed Marcel from Book 2's Map Car carved into the top of the theater (idk what that's called lol)
Bruh, Infinity Train absolutely killed me throughout all 3 seasons, especially season 2. Tuba's death was so sad and since Hazel was so young and realizing someone seen as a mother figure to her died in the hands of a brutal person made the scene ten times sadder.
While watching infinity train I was asking 'what would I would've done?' Realistically, not with the knowledge I have. Yknow?
I just remember that Simon's eyeballs melt, that is the most anxiety I've had
Tubas death made me so sad I almost cried
Same, which was all the more reason to enjoy Simon’s death 😈.
Ikr
yeah, simon might have ben a jerk but i think i would've been nice if he got reedeemed. Or maybe, make book 4 about what happens to the apex and how he grows as a person. But eh, we know that wasn't going to happen. We can dream tho. I still don't think he deserved that death. He was just traumatized and depressed.
It is also clear he had a major crush on Grace, and feeling her drift apart like that must have ben hard. It's just heartbreaking how nothing really was solved and this guy just died. He was, well, jealous ngl. He was like ''I liked what we had'' and he cried when he found out Grace lied to him to protect Hazel. His major problem was that he didn't want to change, and felt like Grace was drifting away because she was looking forward to growing as a person, and he felt like that was betrayal. It's just sad thinking nothing really happened and he didn't deserve to die. He was just sabotaging himself mostly in The new apex when pushing grace away, and started laughing like he knew it was a mistake. It's just really painful.
Tuba's Funeral was the most sentimental for me!
Video just started but im excited
Tbh it simon who put in her had the idea that you're supposed to have a high number when he asked her how she got her number so high. We actually don't whether or nor she was trying to get it down or if she had her own denizen but from that point her number alongside his only went up.
I was shocked that apparently the mirror cops were romantic with each other. While I don't discourage such relationships, I thought it would be more convincing that the 2 were brothers-at-arms and that explained their connection. Mostly because their connection seems a more professional and line-of-duty like. Either way, you still get the "You killed my PARTNER" moment so I guess it really doesn't matter.
They cant be bothers. Flecs are basicly melted reflections made of metal. They do have emotions but no one is blood releated cause they dont born like humans. I dont know how are created but I know they arent like humans.
I think the Infinity train is a game made by aliens 👽 👾
@squiddy I actually have reasons why, but I am going to save it for a video I’m making over on my other channel
@The Cartoon-theorist YT
I’ve had some of those ‘THEY DID THAT?!’ reactions too (Mirror Cop, Gorilla girl, Simon)
Everyone interprets things (including death) differently, however discussing these matters in a safe and healthy way can help us all in the long run. (Let's just hope that fans don't start interpreting Simon's character and subsequent death as having some "deeper, Political meaning"!)
Simon was a great character. Or guess it's more of a well made character.
We all saw what Simon used to be when he was a kid and what he had become. He was a product of the train that was meant to help him.
“I thought this was a kids sHow”
Su, infinity train, gravity falls and she-ra: ****Ha you thought****
I loved this show in season 1. Season 2 started to show red flags with the subtle messaging. Season 3 has shown HBOMax's and Cartoon Network's true feelings.
It's a shame. I really loved this show..
ngl, quite frankly, the writers are kinda. ableist to people with actual NPD in their tweets tbh.
also, conflating empathy with compassion is a no-go, compassion is the thing you need. some people have conditions that make empathy a little bit fucky, burnout exists, several things like that.
empathy is not required to be a decent human being. compassion, however, is.
All in all, Simon’s death got to me the most, but less only because of the darker content we see and the brutal delivery of it, but specifically his number at the end, when he pushes Grace off the train.
He goes through all the stages of grief but slips and seems to fall into some form of near-insanity near the end. He thinks that he’s unstoppable, that he’s all powerful now, but all he is is consumed by the number on his body, and then by the Gohm that does him in.
Frankly, it’s terrifying
What if the next season began with previous former passengers all in the same therapy building, and word of the train sort of began rising on earth, but the one person who wasn’t in therapy because of the train was the one who gets on, because that person wasn’t opening up about their problems enough, so bam, train. (Also, despite seeing how grace got on the train, I wanna see more people get on the train, I feel like that hasn’t been looked at enough).
It would be a gross disservice to a team of animators, a creative mind, and thousands of fans if season 4 does not get greenlit.
Tubahs (tubah right idk) death has the must impact on me making me super shocked and even cry a little I was so sad and couldn’t believe what Simon did I thought of him as a monster for doing that but I still feel bad for what happened in the beginning and end of his life. Well there’s my answer
If there's a Book Four, wouldn't it be cool if it revolved around the train rejectjng One-One and sending out robots or something to reset or replace him, since in the interview on the Infinity Train Book One DVD for The Unfinished Car it is said that One-One used to just be a single cold, logical robot called One, but when Amelia ripped him out of the control panel and he lost his memories he split his personality to help with the loneliness of The Snow Car. Would Amelia and Hazel try to save him? Due to Amelia's actions One-One is permanently damaged and Hazel lives a disturbed life without a place in the world, but all of that is because Amelia is damaged too, and the real lesson that will get her off the train will be making sure One-One learns to live with and grow from his damage instead of resetting back to the status quo like she tried to do, which left One-One and Hazel as they are. I think the train will want to delete Hazel too, since she's like a virus, spreading a glitch in the train's code, causing phone booths, college campuses, and turtles to appear in every car she passes through. Even if the turtle transformations are untreatable, I have a feeling Amelia would at least be able to reencode her enough to stop her from spreading a glitch. Hazel and Amelia both see themselves as mistakes, and I have a feeling One-One does too (at least, Sad-One does), but as they traverse the train they could learn that you can't always fix your problems, but you can always learn from them. And if Amelia exits the train, Hazel could stay with One-One, or maybe even Grace, whatever she's up to. Unless, of course, One-One actually does get reset, and technically dies, which would be particularly upsetting since we've known him since the first episode. But I wouldn't put it past them.
I would like to see infinity train tackle something like addiction. How the need to escape into a happy feeling can be a really really really hard thing to feel like you can overcome. Escapism is a prominent issue in society today.. I think that this topic could be examined in a profound way while still making sense to the target audience. Maybe not drugs or alcohol but something like video games or music or whatever. Still..an addictive personality is what it is. Someone who feels they need to escape from problems rather than facing them will eventually need to address whatever trauma is causing them to feel like they are “happier” in another place or mindset. What better place to recognize this lesson than the growth train? Toot toot.
What was Simon's life like before the train? I am curious to know, what brought him to the train?
I almost broke down crying when Tuba died