@@alexdanciu5107 Seemingly so, but apparently the people at Raspberry didn't populate the PCB with the necessary power circuitry to make an nvme slot function.
Almost at 100k subscribers! And all from a cupboard in your house!! Good to see some storage tests, I am still undecided on wether to get a pi 500, might just get one for younger family members so I can play with it and show them all the cool things it can do.
Possibly the greatest limitation of the Pi 4 was its reliance on SD/USB storage. It's indefensible to release the Pi 500 without any sort of PCIe/M.2 connector. And especially egregious to carve out a little M.2 area on the PCB and then just not use it. Whenever they do make this properly, I'll very happily buy one. Pi 500 Model B+, perhaps?
I was saying they should just do a kickstarter/Tindie type of thing for a Pi505 that has the M.2 slot populated and sell it for $110. Pre-order/pre-pay and once there's 5000+ orders, they'll do a run of them and ship them out.
It's bizarre that Raspberry Pi Company / Foundation made the 500 with solder lands for an M2 slot, but didn't populate the power circuitry or the connector. Doing so and making it externally accessible would have been trivial in both design and cost.
my initial thoughts on the pi 500 is it looks ideal for education schools etc. if i wanted in as many schools as possible than 100% SD is better than Nvme
Besides the NVME slot, my biggest disappointment is still the cheap keyboard quality and flat keycaps. If they release something with nice full-travel mechanical switches and proper keycaps then I'll gladly spend whatever it costs.
IMO, that sounds like it would be better suited for a third party manufacturer instead of from RasPi directly. I like the idea of a mechanical keyboard with the compute module break out board inside. But the Raspberry Pi people seem to focus on keeping costs down to make their stuff more accessible.
Your low nvme figures had nothing with rpi or disk - it is cable/usb 3 port issue. I had same issue on my radxa zero 3e , hp laptop, home pc, for some reason same drive performed bad on pc while fast on laptop. On radxa it was fun - by rotating usb-c connector on 180 i received slow or fast speeds :) that not worked with pc . So its something on cable/usb3 port soldering. Probably "slow" speeds you receive when your device recognized as usb 2 device because to receive your figures from nvme is ridiculous. Repeat your tests with another cable or nvme case, try rotate on 180 if you have usb-c on some end.
I don't get it. Regardless of whether it's NVME or SSD, the limiting factor should be USB3. Why are the NVMEs so extremely slow anyway? I think that with the NVMEs the interfaces have negotiated a USB2 connection.
I agree. 5 Gbps USB3 should be around 500MB/s. The Kingston SATA to USB test is in the ball park. Those NVME to USB solution should be similar. The Samsung USB stick is rated for 300MB/s also. something went wrong if the speed is 10% of the baseline. 30MB/s does sound like USB2 speed.
Not having the Nvme as an option is one of many reasons I don't feel bad about getting a normal 5 a few months back. It's not like the 4 to 400 where the all in one was faster and better this time around. Plus no fan. Does a Pi really need even a cheaper M2? Nah. Would it be cool to have as an option? Absolutely. Hell in my Windows 11 i3 12th gen rig comparing a Sata SSD speed to the M2 is like night and day. Then I recently popped a Samsung 990 in for size mostly and it's godlike speed. Win 11 boots in 23 seconds cold start. It's ABSURD. Now a G4 one like that would be silly for a Pi but even an option for the drives would be nice provided it allows space for heat sinks and possibly even the fans the G5 M2s apparently need would be lovely. Make it easy for us the consumer to decide what we want to do.
A few thoughts on this: Can't get over how slow the Orico was compared to the SATA - I would have thought a NVME drive would outperform SATA even through the same USB port. Also @leepspvideo - could you do the same tests with your new CM5? NVME / SATA/ MMC etc?
Yea. Who want wires hanging off the back. It’s supposed to be a neat package. I was all excited about it but after the wait it’s a bit of an anti -climax. If they ever bring out a “plus” version with an nvme slot, it’s too late for me.
such a shame I upgraded my home server from a raspberry Pi 4 to a mini pc Intell N100 last month. Id buy a PI 500 with the monitor as my new home server if the Pi 500 had come out a month ago. grr Now I have to find some sort of use case to buy a PI 500. because I still want it
Please tell me if you can you run a USB3 SSD and use Bluetooth at the same time on the Pi500? Because my Pi400 causes massive interference if I try to use both at the same time, controllers cutting in and out constantly.
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@@w13rdguy I guess it depends on the chip. I knew the Orico wasn’t fast for an os. The Zike surprised me most as it’s super quick on usb 4 Superfast, Cool & Silent NVMe storage. ZikeDrive ruclips.net/video/gVvM6M31uds/видео.html
why not just spend $40 USD more for a CM5 Dev kit. Then you have a Nvme drive slot built in, am getting seq. write speed 403298 KB/sec, Random write speed 91022 IOPS, Random read speed 82228 IOPS, plus the eMMC memory can also be used to run the OS and apps. Not even changed it to PCIe Gen 3 yet.
THANKS for this view on performance, great insight ... In my opinion the makers of the Pi 500 made a great mistake to NOT activate this to an NVMe drive with much afster speeds !! PCIe 4 or something. As that was the case, I immediatly bought the Pi 500 !!!!!!!
I'm not buying one of these things unless they Populate the NVME port Components. This was a big mistake. A real big mistake. It takes shockingly little for that port to be on there with the components to support it. The case should have had an access door over that drive slot preferably with a heat sink on it or provisions that let you put your own on. Not cool dudes. this is not cool.
@ Oh really? You wanna bet they'll flop the moment they officially make that statement ? Their whole community was formed because they offered posibilities, if they'd isolate on a single sector they'll be gone in less than a year.
No official nvme ssd out of box is a bummer 😢 I am waiting for Pi 600 with new soc/16gb ram and native nvme slot ❤
Or You can Add a navite nvme ssd just need to soder unpopuled sorder points and can nmve slot and tadaaa , nmve native pi500
@@alexdanciu5107 I'll wait until someone shows how to do it and only then will I buy PI 500.
@@alexdanciu5107 Seemingly so, but apparently the people at Raspberry didn't populate the PCB with the necessary power circuitry to make an nvme slot function.
Keep waiting
No interval NVMe is a deal breaker
Almost at 100k subscribers! And all from a cupboard in your house!!
Good to see some storage tests, I am still undecided on wether to get a pi 500, might just get one for younger family members so I can play with it and show them all the cool things it can do.
Possibly the greatest limitation of the Pi 4 was its reliance on SD/USB storage. It's indefensible to release the Pi 500 without any sort of PCIe/M.2 connector. And especially egregious to carve out a little M.2 area on the PCB and then just not use it.
Whenever they do make this properly, I'll very happily buy one. Pi 500 Model B+, perhaps?
I was saying they should just do a kickstarter/Tindie type of thing for a Pi505 that has the M.2 slot populated and sell it for $110. Pre-order/pre-pay and once there's 5000+ orders, they'll do a run of them and ship them out.
Probably would be Pi 500+ but to make it a product it would need more ram and a CPU speed boost to go with it at a decent price.
Another great video.. Thanks Lee!
A very enjoyable video, you've given me quite a few ideas for the New Year. Have a wonderful Christmas and a safe and Happy New Year
i wait for a pi500 with installed PCIe/M.2 slot
It's bizarre that Raspberry Pi Company / Foundation made the 500 with solder lands for an M2 slot, but didn't populate the power circuitry or the connector. Doing so and making it externally accessible would have been trivial in both design and cost.
my initial thoughts on the pi 500 is it looks ideal for education schools etc. if i wanted in as many schools as possible than 100% SD is better than Nvme
We need some mod to put that NVME inside if Raspberry Pi Foundation doesn't wanna give us a functioning NVME slot.
It's a shame the NVMe slot isn't useable. I would of bought one for each room in my house that has a tv.
I'll wait for pi500 pro/plus/whatever
Besides the NVME slot, my biggest disappointment is still the cheap keyboard quality and flat keycaps. If they release something with nice full-travel mechanical switches and proper keycaps then I'll gladly spend whatever it costs.
IMO, that sounds like it would be better suited for a third party manufacturer instead of from RasPi directly. I like the idea of a mechanical keyboard with the compute module break out board inside. But the Raspberry Pi people seem to focus on keeping costs down to make their stuff more accessible.
Your low nvme figures had nothing with rpi or disk - it is cable/usb 3 port issue. I had same issue on my radxa zero 3e , hp laptop, home pc, for some reason same drive performed bad on pc while fast on laptop. On radxa it was fun - by rotating usb-c connector on 180 i received slow or fast speeds :) that not worked with pc . So its something on cable/usb3 port soldering. Probably "slow" speeds you receive when your device recognized as usb 2 device because to receive your figures from nvme is ridiculous. Repeat your tests with another cable or nvme case, try rotate on 180 if you have usb-c on some end.
Really good tests.
Disabling or not installing the NVMe port on a Raspberry Pi 500 is going to cost Raspberry a lot of sales… Me for one!
I don't get it. Regardless of whether it's NVME or SSD, the limiting factor should be USB3. Why are the NVMEs so extremely slow anyway? I think that with the NVMEs the interfaces have negotiated a USB2 connection.
I agree. 5 Gbps USB3 should be around 500MB/s. The Kingston SATA to USB test is in the ball park. Those NVME to USB solution should be similar. The Samsung USB stick is rated for 300MB/s also. something went wrong if the speed is 10% of the baseline.
30MB/s does sound like USB2 speed.
Not having the Nvme as an option is one of many reasons I don't feel bad about getting a normal 5 a few months back. It's not like the 4 to 400 where the all in one was faster and better this time around. Plus no fan. Does a Pi really need even a cheaper M2? Nah. Would it be cool to have as an option? Absolutely. Hell in my Windows 11 i3 12th gen rig comparing a Sata SSD speed to the M2 is like night and day. Then I recently popped a Samsung 990 in for size mostly and it's godlike speed. Win 11 boots in 23 seconds cold start. It's ABSURD. Now a G4 one like that would be silly for a Pi but even an option for the drives would be nice provided it allows space for heat sinks and possibly even the fans the G5 M2s apparently need would be lovely. Make it easy for us the consumer to decide what we want to do.
A few thoughts on this: Can't get over how slow the Orico was compared to the SATA - I would have thought a NVME drive would outperform SATA even through the same USB port. Also @leepspvideo - could you do the same tests with your new CM5? NVME / SATA/ MMC etc?
@@tafkawac I haven’t got it yet, coming soon
@leepspvideo mine is sitting under the Christmas Tree. Roll on Christmas 🎄
Yea. Who want wires hanging off the back. It’s supposed to be a neat package. I was all excited about it but after the wait it’s a bit of an anti -climax. If they ever bring out a “plus” version with an nvme slot, it’s too late for me.
I need to get these results on this screen. 😆
Hi Lee what about trying a larger A2 card so perhaps a 128 or 256 as quite often larger cards are quicker?
As interesting as that was, I'm more curious about what the rest of that jumper looks like?
such a shame I upgraded my home server from a raspberry Pi 4 to a mini pc Intell N100 last month.
Id buy a PI 500 with the monitor as my new home server if the Pi 500 had come out a month ago. grr
Now I have to find some sort of use case to buy a PI 500. because I still want it
good test interesting results
Side question, whats a good diagnostic speed test for Konstakang's LineageOS?
I haven’t tried any
Please tell me if you can you run a USB3 SSD and use Bluetooth at the same time on the Pi500? Because my Pi400 causes massive interference if I try to use both at the same time, controllers cutting in and out constantly.
Is the desktop wallpaper part of kde?
Yes in my Kde build
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Is USB3 NVME faster than USB3 SATA?
@@w13rdguy I guess it depends on the chip. I knew the Orico wasn’t fast for an os. The Zike surprised me most as it’s super quick on usb 4
Superfast, Cool & Silent NVMe storage. ZikeDrive
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No, the speed is about the same. The bottleneck is USB 3 speed. I have already done the test myself.
@@tubegor Yes, that's what my experience has been, as well 👍
@@w13rdguy 👍
Is that regular Raspberry Pi OS?
why not just spend $40 USD more for a CM5 Dev kit. Then you have a Nvme drive slot built in, am getting seq. write speed 403298 KB/sec, Random write speed 91022 IOPS, Random read speed 82228 IOPS, plus the eMMC memory can also be used to run the OS and apps. Not even changed it to PCIe Gen 3 yet.
wow and zamzam water
Interesting
I am beginning to wonder what all the moaners in here did for using a PC before NVME drives?
nobody will buy it without m.2
THANKS for this view on performance, great insight ...
In my opinion the makers of the Pi 500 made a great mistake to NOT activate this to an NVMe drive with much afster speeds !! PCIe 4 or something.
As that was the case, I immediatly bought the Pi 500 !!!!!!!
Another dissapointment is that they stopped the development of Twister OS with the possibility to choose your own desktop configuration of choice.
I'm not buying one of these things unless they Populate the NVME port Components. This was a big mistake. A real big mistake. It takes shockingly little for that port to be on there with the components to support it. The case should have had an access door over that drive slot preferably with a heat sink on it or provisions that let you put your own on. Not cool dudes. this is not cool.
What were they even thinking....
Of making a low cost computer for education?
@ Oh really? You wanna bet they'll flop the moment they officially make that statement ? Their whole community was formed because they offered posibilities, if they'd isolate on a single sector they'll be gone in less than a year.