The Klein Bottle Guy (with Cliff Stoll) - Numberphile Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 2 фев 2025
- Computer hackers, Klein bottles and searching for a lost teacher - Cliff Stoll is a man with stories to tell.
Cliff's Klein bottle website - www.kleinbottle...
The man with 1000 Klein bottles under this house - • The man with 1,000 Kle...
Cliff Stoll videos on Numberphile - • Cliff Stoll on Numberp...
The Cuckoo's Egg by Cliff Stoll - amzn.to/2CaNG9l
Silicon Snake Oil by Cliff Stoll - amzn.to/2CXE17x
Boing Boing article about Cliff's predictions - boingboing.net...
With thanks to
MSRI - www.msri.org
Meyer Sound - meyersound.com/
Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need.
I'd like to think that it's the hero WE deserve (as the numberphile community)
I’d like to think of him as the hero we love
i was literally thinking this sentence right as it loaded
I beg to differ. Of course we deserve him! How will the world turn into a better place, without role models like him? Influencing the people to the better who need it the most?
@@FreddyZeNerd Yes 😁!
An entire hour of Cliff Stoll. And here I thought Christmas was in December.
Right? We need more of him and less cat videos on RUclips.
Exactly.
Currently, it is December!!!
@@noahniederklein8081 Same now, 3 years later. Currently, it’s the midnight between December 24th and 25th 🎄.
That first story moved me to tears. Can't say I expected that from a Numberphile podcast.
Me too. I came down here to find this :D
Same ;-;
Same
gosh darn it, got me as well
It really shows how valuable good mentors are
Cliff Stoll: Mathematician, Astronomer, Physicist, Dad, Husband, Lover of Life, Role Model, and Inspiration.
... and system admin, writer and teacher.
....and someone who helped put speed bumps on the street in oakland california
Just shows that it is pointless to box yourself.
You forgot enemy of the hackers lol, perhaps the father of modern cybersecurity?
@@ayushsinha1813 Yep. You’d probably have to use an unlistably infinite number of labels.
"im not telling you this for any test at all, I'm telling you this because you asked a good question" wonderful teacher
Yep. That’s, what all teachers should be like 😌. Unfortunately, like with all jobs, most people get so routined and numbed to it that they just don’t give a damn. We actually have a word for this phenomenon, in Finnish. We call it: _”Leipiintyminen”,_ or: _”Leipääntyminen”._ 😔
This is absolutely beautiful. Cliff Stoll is the pure joy this world needs.
As an aspiring teacher, that first story brought me to tears.
The world needs more teachers like that.
Teachers who care more about cultivating and inspiring curiosity than a prescribed curriculum.
Stories like these make it all worth it.
I read The Cuckoo's Egg in high-school and I've been waiting for this interview ever since Cliff first appeared on Numberphile. Cliff isn't just a cool guy to me, he's been an example of the kind of man I want to become. Your enthusiasm, your love of life, everything has been such an inspiration to me. Thank you for this Brady
This podcast episode is undoubtedly contains some of my favorite stories I've ever heard. As a college student looking into an unknown future, getting some 'advise' or even just knowing what it can be like is priceless. Thank you very much for making this.
hi big youtuber i have never heard of before
I can only imagine having had teachers like Cliff, or a mom that encouraged my interests the way his did enough to take me to museums. We were poor, too, so that isn't an excuse. Makes me wonder what I could have done with my life.
So now I'm trying to be that Mom I should have had, adding to my son's deficient curriculum, taking him to museums and most of the NPS properties during the summer. Encouraging his interests and allowing him to try...
And HE is the one who introduced me to Brady's channels. He hasn't found THAT teacher yet, but if he has great role models like Cliff I think he's gonna be fine.
M McCoy You're an awesome mom!
your child is lucky :D
Clear skies for you ma'am, hope all the best for you
koreaboo
The "ten thousand Klein Bottles under my house" video is my way to introduce people into the Numberphile channel
that was the first numberphile video i saw
Ten thousand sounded like a LOT so I checked and it's 1000
@@tiberiu_nicolae Yep. I was sure it was 1000. Still, quite a lot 😅.
This man had all the greatest teachers.
Or maybe he just paid attention and asked questions. aids in teaching.
Not really. I asked a lot of my teachers questions. During grade 4+ I asked my math teachers many questions, and they'd mostly answer with, "I don't know", or with half-assed answers, except my grade 8 teacher. He went beyond his duties and answer my questions in full detail.
He had the best parents, or mom it would seem, when a teacher didn't care for his telescope she went with him to someone that did. Good teachers also help, but with parents like that you find the right teachers.
@@KarlFFF ; Both parents. He says his dad was "a wonderful man." Go to 7:20 on the Neon Knots and Borromean Beer Rings video (ruclips.net/video/BDEo5XpZcXo/видео.html). He talks so enthusiastically about how great a dad he had. Bring tissues.
This man IS the greatest teacher
I'm actually crying. Cliff I hope to be like you one day! To be a master of mathematics and have so many incredible stories to tell!
Nonagon Infinity opens the door (to matrices, vector manipulations and manifolds!)
Cliff Stoll is like Bob Ross to me. When they talk or do something, they put such passion and honesty in it that as a spectator/listener there is just no way to not enjoy them.
People like Cliff can make me forget that I'm in a sad phase by just being themselves, and for that I want to say thanks
what phase are you in now?
(currently at 12:20) I've probably cried to stories less than 10 times in my life, but this did it to me.
A teacher can deeply impact someone's life
indeed they can
@@numberphile2 so does a youtube channel, thank you numberphile
I got my parents a klein bottle from cliff for their wedding anniversary. Their wedding rings are mobius rings, so a klein bottle was the perfect gift!
that seems uncomfortable
One hour of pure gold, thank you so much for this!
you're welcome
he could sit still for that long, woow... :D
I recently bought a Klein bottle from Mr Stoll and got a chance to exchange a few words with him. A warm-hearted genius that could inspire us all to delve a little bit deeper into science and simple human kindness.
Same here... He sent some cool photos from his garden :D
I can't get enough of Cliff's enthusiasm. It makes whatever he is talking about interesting.
Every parent and every teacher should listen to this. Even if they have no idea who Cliff Stoll is. The first half alone could change so many lives.
One of the most interesting guys ever.
I'm crying a little, I feel like everyone has that one special teacher in their life and this story really pulls at the heartstrings. THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A CHANNEL ABOUT MATH D:
Thanks god, I was not the only one shedding a tear
Can we all just acknowledge the fact that despite all the opposition he has faced, from an incompetent Science teacher to an arrogant and officious grad school Astronomy professor, to reluctant FBI-/CIA-/NSA-agents, to a walking Capitalist stereotype of a book agent, to a greedy, untrustworthy bong-maker, to ridiculing blog-posters, Cliff has never lost his optimism and enthusiasm and love of Science 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻?
This is so beautiful. We should appreciate the teachers who inspire us (wherever they come into our lives.) An inspiring teacher is a gift to the world but too often they are ground down into just producing compliant little worker drones with little in the way of curiosity or interest in the world about them.
Hurrah for people like Cliff who have never forgotten the three most important words in any language: what? How? Why?
I'm in *awe* of this incredible guy! He is talented, okay... But he is also so humble and down to earth and unbelievably likeable!
This is the best podcast yet, the world would be a much better place if we had a few more Cliffs in it! It is his enthusiasm that always gets me, and always come across in his videos and now this podcast.
Thank you
I could listen to Cliff for hours! His curiosity and passion to learn is unparalleled, and his storytelling is fantastic. A hopeful high schooler, KK6FXF Amateur Radio General.
I don't usually leave comments but what this guy has said resonates so close to my heart
Thank you so much
Brady, Bravo... Bravo! This entire thing is gold. I didn't think it was possible to like Cliff Stoll more than I already did but you teased out wonderful stories I had never heard before. Nice work
This is such a wonderful and inspirational story! I resonate so much with his childlike excitement of finding out new and curious things about the universe (real and mathematical). That eventually led me to gaining a first class honours degree in mathematics in what seems like a mix of love, awe and pure accident. I love to share my passion with my pupils and others, and can only hope to inspire others in the same way as Cliff and his teachers. Life is about finding such enthusiasm!
Really glad you enjoyed it.
I like the imagine the intro was done live and cliff just sits there with his twine mic awkwardly
One of the best podcast episodes ever. I couldn't help but smile throughout all his stories. And he tells them very well. I wish I had one hundreth the enthusiasm and knowledge he has.
Great to read this.
I could listen to this genius talk for years and years and years to come I'm only just after 43yrs on this earth finding out about cliff stoll amazing.
This is a fantastic podcast and filled with life lessons. Cliff is a true inspiration.
I loved this. I could listen to his excitedly told stories for hours. I loved "The Cuckoo's Egg" when I read it in the early 90s and now I make a nice living in computer security. Cliff and his story was a big part of the inspiration for that. Thanks Cliff and Brady!
That's great to hear - and glad you enjoyed it.
And yes, I too teared up at the story about his teacher.
Cliff Stoll, the famous author and system admin
This is a wonderfully inspiring podcast, both humbling and empowering. He's a great storyteller. I'm getting emotional here.
thank you for saying such nice things.
It took a while before I realized it's Jupiter we are watching.
yeah we are all too caught up in cliff’s storytelling
I was also an astronomy student at the Univ of Az, also a student of Elizabeth Roemer, and I worked 2 years at the 61" telescope on Mt Bigelow. I had no idea Cliff was an astronomer -- I thought he was a mathematician! Sad to hear that grad school turned him off to astronomy. I never got to grad school and never even graduated college. I got a job offer as a staff scientist at Steward Observatory and of course I jumped on that! Best choice I ever made. PhD astronomers spend 70% of their time writing grant proposals, 29% of their time working with students, and maybe 1% of their time doing their own work. Not for me!
Thanks, Cliff, for the interesting and inspiring interview! If he ever wants to get back into the astronomy game, please have him contact me! I'm doing some interesting work involving data collection and STEM (or STEAM) projects.
This is probably the best podcast i've ever heard.
This is one of the best podcast ever. such a teasure!
The two books given to Cliff to read was:
RJ Bray and RE Loughhead - Sunspots
Angelo Secchi
- Le Soleil: Exposé des Principales Découvertes Modernes (The Sun: Presentation of the Major Modern Discoveries)
12:01 - This made me so happy that I jumped up and down with joy and started tearing up!
I wish I had the energy and courage to explore and learn from the universe like you had, Cliff. I appreciate a lot that you exist, and provide knowledge and happiness to people of this world. Thank you Cliff.
wow that first story was amazing!
Thank you for this amazing podcast! I really enjoyed it listening!
Thank you
I have been binge watching Cliff Stohl videos lately and I’ve never been happier :)
If I see "Cliff Stoll" I hit like immediately. The man is an absolute treasure.
I love to hear Cliff talk about stuff, he seems so passionate ! Thank you Brady for all the outstanding work you're doing, keep at it with the podcast, it's soooooo good to listen to :)
This was such a good podcast. I need to recommend this to all my peeps.
Cliff Stoll is the coolest grandpa ever.
I hope he writes a paper on astronomy .
I'm about halfway through and I'm really enjoying this podcast, this man, and his stories. Keep up the good work with these podcasts, I'd love to see more.
52:00 I can confirm that. Even today, it’s damn near impossible to get through a course without the teacher having to ask the students for help with the technology. 😅
you shouldn't really hide these gems away on np2, the podcasts deserve their own channel
"These matrices are ALL OVER THE PLACE!"
How can Cliff NOT make you smile :)
The story with the math teacher made my heart melt.
That is a beautiful, beautiful story. 🙂
Unfortunately, most of my early math class experience was very different. We went through the material in the book, of course, but I honestly don't think any of the teachers really "got it." They were just teaching what they were told to teach. No one ever connected it with anything. Take numeric bases, for instance. I was exposed to that every year for probably six or seven years in grade school. And every time it came up I had to struggle through it all over again, because no one ever too the time to actually explain what positional notation was all about. It's one of the simplest ideas you can possibly imagine, but only if you are shown the core idea, and I never was. Eventually the light dawned, of course, but I was a lot older than I should have been when that finally happened, and it mostly happened through my own efforts.
When I went to graduate school, I was already focused on learning more about physics later on, after I finished school. So I deliberately loaded up on math courses. However, I didn't know everything I should have loaded up on - I focused on what I'll call "continuous math." Calculus, differential equations, tensors, etc. etc. And that went well. But later when I started trying to learn new things, I realized that "discrete math" was a LOT more important in physics than I'd realized. And I didn't know it. So I had to learn all the stuff I now know about that part of math on my own. At this point I'm 61, so I've had quite a lot of time to recover from that oversight, but I would say that probably 75-80 percent of the "discrete" math I know I have learned on my own.
The best approach I've found is to use "popular" material online (mostly RUclips videos like Numberphile, Mathologer, etc.) to "expose myself" to things. Gets the wheels spinning and lets me become aware that an idea is "out there." Then I'll go find "real" university lecture courses online and use those to really nail the stuff down.
This guy, his stories.... They make me think a lot about my life. It may seem childish, since I'm barely 18, but I always loved science. My mom fed me with interesting answers much more complex than I could understand, but it was fun. I am no genius, far from it, but I have a strong inclination toward those intellectual things. They make me very happy. But.... At some point, I got used to being lazy, to not asking the why of everything and I lost so many opportunities like the one Cliff had with the astronomer. I know I can still get myself something going, to begin studying very hard and actually "catch up" and do something amazing, but still... My first instinct is to put the blame on not being motivated by others enough, but I'm learning to stop that. I know it is my fault and some people presented me with opportunities that I did not fully develop. Somehow I was taught that I was smart and that made me not need to work hard for anything. Looking back.... I can see that almost had no notion of the actual amount of work that goes into being someone like cliff, or any intellectual. I had no idea how much it paid off and I forgot the fun of being immersed in these awesome stuff. Anyways... It's my fault, I should have tried harder but damn, I was ignorant. I don't know, I wish I had stories of how I built a telescope in my backyard or that I used to disassemble clocks, something like that. But I don't. Maybe it would reinforce that I am a very smart person and give me some motivation now that I just got into college and noticed how far behind I was, and how arrogant I've been to think I was at all such a elevated person I needed to worry about nothing. Again, I don't even have a reason to write this, maybe I hope some wise person just stumbles upon my mess of a brain and tells me something great, but honestly this is just my way of talking about this with "someone". I don't really have anyone to talk to about this that may tell me where to go, but I guess... Writing it makes my head clearer and I can go back to my textbooks and keep trying. Hopefully I can stop being lazy sometime in the near future. If you read this, I'm sorry for wasting your time lol.
I loved this one. I got emotional more than once.
Very inspirational. I definitely can't say for myself that I've given effort into creating things in my adult life, but as a teen, I did create quite a few things. As a child, I was engrossed in computers and mathematics. I marveled at learning new things about numbers, and how you could use them.
My grade 8 math teacher, Mr Guillou(? I think its how its spelled) was very knowledgeable. He taught me way beyond than what the curriculum offered. He'd make weekly challenges for everyone in school, but making the last week of the month an impossible challenge. I'd solve them all, some learned from the extra teachings, some requiring research online. He also ran our schools extra curricular program, the Web Page Club. I'd design websites around video games, with gameshark cheat codes... still online on geocities lol.
Though, when I'd get home, I'd combine these two, creating small web apps, which really didn't exist at the time. Scientific calculators, cryptographic converters, and even a text based game, all of which are still online :). I wanted to do more than just web apps, so I self taught myself programming languages. I already had a pretty good understanding since I knew html, and my godfather taught me qbasic as a child. Though, I never used qbasic really, I just remembered about syntax. I taught myself java, c, c#, c++, just many things.
But regrettably, I didn't do anything with them. All I did was recreate what I've already done, and tried making new things with it, but I just hit road blocks. After a few months passed, I was playing online video games on the computer. I was pretty bad at them, like.. really bad. Lose all matches in starcraft, halo, you name it. So I thought to myself, remembering about c and c++, that you could hook onto applications, and modify them. I used this to create better accessibility, better controls, than what the game provided.
An example, I am visually impaired. In Halo, it is really hard for me to see players from a distance, so I'd make an application that hooked into Halo, and it'd make the opponents textures a solid neon color. This made it waaaay easier to see them, and I'd start having fun again. I found a use for that knowledge, and I created something. I was excited, and showed my friends, and they called me a "cheater". I asked them why, and then they told me I made a hack. Never heard of hacks before, so I did some research, and then I found my niche that interested me.
Hacking was fun, but I didn't like what others (everyone else) were doing with hacking. This innocent little piece of software I made was used to help with my vision, while everyone else was using hacks to instantly kill there opponent, have infinite ammo, spawn vehicles and weapons. Though, there wasn't a community for what I made, so I joined anyway. Posted my helpful hacks among the things I didn't like.
For about a year I did that, and I was getting bored. I started to wonder how others were hacking their game, and looked at their applications code. Maybe learn something else that I didn't know. Learned a lot actually, but then I came across some weird code. This code was storing key presses, and only during a specific window, the login window. Yay keyloggers lol. These hacks were even released by admins and mods. I spilled the beans in General chat, and I was banned. Good riddance lol
I stopped hacking at that point. Completely lost interest. Nearing my mid-30's, and I haven't done that for more than half my life ago. I haven't really touched programming ever since then. Or even created anything from other means. I just absorb knowledge from this channel, and others, and if something grabs my interest heavily, I'll research it. But I don't do anything with it, I just know a lot. The very idea of creating something was lost a long time ago. I don't even know where to begin when trying to create something new.
At least I like to think I'm smart, just not creative :)
It's great that he's talking about matrices starting his mathematical wonder, because I'm listening to this as I find the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of a 3 x 3 matrix. I was just thinking about how tedious the process is when he started talking about matrices.
his voice is like music! Its beautiful and harmonically astounding! rythem and rhyme
Once again I’m blown away by Cliff Stoll. Now I’m thinking that I have to look up Ms. Carlo my 9th grade English teacher who gave my love of language.
My partner once spent a couple of hours with Cliff talking about quilting and knitting. Definitely an interesting fellow.
Sounds like that would have been a good podcast episode
@@numberphile2 Probably -- though it happened long before podcasts. Or iPods. I think it was around 1998 or so.
Listening to this, I definitively GAINED 1 hour in my life!
Wish I could give more than one thumb up…
… wait: I could share it with others!
58:10
Those outro chords are super similar to the Passion Pit song "Moth's Wings"
What a wonderful person. Thanks for sharing this.
I cried at 49:00. Jun 2022 when I first encountered polynomial function like f=(x-2)(x+7)(x-3)... I was shocked that the graph goes up and down around y=0, it fit so well and nice. I keep going to calculus and make my password (vector calculus) cuz it seems cool I wanna learn them so make it to be my goal. I've heard calculus in my childhood but I didn't dig into it and nobody taught me that. I'm the one if you give me group theory calculus or topology when elementary school or 3,4 year old I'll be excited but it didn't happened till I was 15-16, after calculus I jump in to linear algebra it still suprised me, then category approach to group theory ring etc. when I see the homology or cohomology the "diagram" when we use in category it just so cool these arrow and the stuff that "I don't understand". I wanna learn them just because they seems cool like magic symbols, there must be something in there.... I make " mobius donut" "hyperbolic crochet"
But something happened I didn't keep through it till recent now I'm 18. Jun 2022 to Mar 2023 it's my happiest 8 months in my life, I can't stop learning them. I regret that I didn't printed them down at that time, it must be something else when you see the paper and content in you hand rather than screen.
when 2023 I start to reading normal books in library and stop a while... don't do that reading is sooooo great, I back to reading in 2024 jul and I found that history interesting me I wanna know more how the world works.
couple days ago I find Matt Parker book in the library. bring it home, I can't stop reading it.... then finally came back to 3b1b and Numberphile.Then I bring one japanese Calligraphy. I wanna make higher dimensions calligraphy art, I WANNA SEE THEM IN FRONT OF ME I write code with ai help. then I just printed lot of arXiv paper and notes. and seeking problems that make me feel interesting recently Langland program, I really wanna understand what's going on. or higher dimensions polytope with hair or smooth curve or slime on them. it make my life more real when those problems are in my head. there's a book called "topos in music" I like to study more. it really help, we need something bigger than us to explore, the universe, the self, other, all of them,
Amazong episode, really enjoyed it! Love this guy, love you too! Looking forward to matt parker episode. Cheers
this is the most adorable podcast on numberphile
I'm only 20 minutes in and it's been two stories about incredible teachers
”Clifford” is really a fitting name for someone, who’s interested in manifolds embedded in 4D-space. You know, ”Clifford torus”, and all that. 😅
Please keep making podcasts, they are all soooooo good!!!
53:33 I can't believe I've actually let Cliff down. What has become of me.
5:50 That’s, of course, a self-contradictory statement, akin to: ”This proposition is false.”.
What a wonderful human being
I went to grammar school in 1966 in Helsinki, Finland and my math started with set theory. My parents got a pamphlet that told them that there was nothing wrong with the new math system.
Mr. Stoll is just a huge inspiration
Thank you so much for this inspirational video
Glad you liked it
Make more videos with this man
As a Fordham Alum, I lost my mind that cliff started talking about Br Guy, SJ. Amazing
Thank you for everything you do! :3
Thank you for listening
I absolutely love this guy.
ugh. i would so love to see cliff in this interview
Absolutly amazing and inspireing!
That was good.
I've got to say, there were teachers who tried to mentor me, but I was hard to mentor. I didn't know what to do with advice. Following it, not following it, nothing seemed to work. I didn't really get math or science. I thought I did. People still think I do. I get a lot of it. But what people then, including myself, didn't understand was I'm not a math or science person. I'm a humanities person. I do math and science but I turn it into humanities first. Without even thinking about it. And that's in addition to my not really knowing how to deal with advice and not really knowing when I've hit the edge of what I know..
So Mr. Stoll had great mentors. He was also, I expect, a damn good mentee. And that's not a skill to sniff at.
Just listened to this on Castbox. My God it's beautiful. Moving! Thank you so much for making this.
what a great interview
Thank you.
Thanks so much.
Loved every minute of this.
Cliff Stoll: the fun was always in watching the stars and not being one.
More Stoll is always welcome !
There - that second teacher you talk about - that's my kind of recollection from school.
always an interesting guy with interesting stories and toys. ever since highschool I still don't know what for matrix math is. I've always loved programming and science, have used algebra and geometry for different things, but have yet to come across something needing a matrix. maybe the saddest thing is, I have yet to have someone enter my life who enjoys learning as I do.
I'm a game developer. Playing video games inspires me to make interesting games of my own. It also connects me to my online friends, gives us something to talk about and share.
Wow - you had a good eighth grade math teacher. I doubt I had a teacher who could have handled that commutativity question so well.
This is so so so special to me :)