Rick is right. No one forced Liam into marriage . He makes his own decisions . And the logans always think they can get it their way and they still do. Steffy has every right not to sign those papers
Steffy has every right to insist on being a guys second choice and force herself on him... Doesn't make her look good. Liam made a decision, but without knowing the full truth and he didn't know it because of Steffy's lies.
Hope is so delusional, Liam should have told you Steffy didn't sign those Annulment papers, instead he let her plan a wedding, hire a minister, never said a thing!
@@mieshaclarissa Katie is unbelievable. Ridge is supposed to care about Hope but Hope has not cared about Ridge since the day he told her to respect Steffy and Liam's marriage. She turned her back on him and disowned him as her father after everything for her. He raised her and supported her. He always put her and Brooke first. He always chose her and Brooke at the expense of his children and the one time he said something she didn't like she turned her back on him. How is he supposed to support and care for her after that. These Logans have always been okay with Ridge's children getting hurt and pushed to the side in favour of their own.
@@kameisharoberts1521 Its very stupid of her. I really didn't like the way Ridge was being treated at this time. Everyone was making him to be the bad guy cause he was supporting Steffy and not Hope. He was made out to be some kind of monster. Ridge was made to be a bad person because of it. Everyone was demanding that Ridge support Hope and not Steffy like he is just supposed to ignore his daughter. I feel bad for Ridge but at the same time I don't feel bad. I honestly feel this is karma for him. He has spent so many years pushing his children to the side in favour of Brooke and her children and now look at how things have backfired. That same Hope that he loved so much and treated like a little princess has now turned his back on him. Where as his real children would never do such a thing in spite of everything he has done to them.
Am I the only one who is completely on Steffy's side here? All she is asking for is to know her marriage is still in record and not for people to act like it doesn't matter or didn't exist. Asking for that respect is not that much to ask and Hope is just plain rude to go over there and demand the annulment. I'm glad Liam gave her the divorce.
Thank you finally somebody said it. That marriage might not have been real to Hope but it was very real to Steffy. What she said on that mountain that day was 100% real. There was nothing fake about that. But that's the problem with these Logan women. They see anybody standing in the way of them and their "destiny" as a problem. All of them are that way. Brooke, Hope, Donna, Katie even Bridget is like that to an extent. When Bridget had Logan, she wanted Owen to leave Jackie for her. She wanted him to walk away from his marriage as if it was nothing. She had the gall to be hurt when he rejected her advances. These Logan women have no respect for anyone's marriage other than their own.
@@krisstinawilson4461 Hope is so naive and stupid. She really thought Steffy was gonna sign those annulment papers. She saw the emotional state Steffy was in when she got them. She thought that by some stroke of luck or by Brooke or Ridge talking to her that Steffy would sign its just damm ridiculous. These Logans don't know boundaries or respect. Why should Steffy have to invalidate her marriage for Hope. I'm sure if the roles were reversed Hope wasn't signing a damm thing. Look at Brooke. Look at how many marriages she has had, did anybody ever tell her to get an annulment? No. She ended her marriages the correct and proper way so what's the difference with Steffy. These Logan women are unbelievable. Everything must be done their way. Its their way or the highway. Same thing happened with Bridget. When Logan was born she thought Owen was gonna leave Jackie for her but boy did she get the shock of her life when that didn't happen. I can't understand why she was surprised. I mean what did she expect. Owen was never yours. He was never in love with you. Ya'll never had any kind of relationship. What happened that night between the two of you was grief sex. It was a mistake. The both of them have admitted that. A child just happened to come out of it. I don't understand Bridget. Just because you no longer have your marriage and your husband doesn't mean that you are entitled to Jackie's.
That exactly his point. He knew he made some hasty decisions where Brooke and Taylor was concerned. He went running to the other when something went wrong. He did with thinking and plenty ppl got hurt. That's why he told Liam to take some time and really figure if this was what he wanted but the Logans didn't want that. They wanted a marriage to Liam to happen immediately.
I find it totally hilarious that Brooke seethes through her teeth "you are twisting it to your advantage" to Steffy when she has been in the same position. Stephanie asked her to annul her marriage to Ridge when Taylor came back from the grave (yet again) and Brooke refused. She didn't even go as far as to say she would grant a divorce! So talk about the pot calling kettle black!
It is not the same. Taylor coming back from the dead a second time does not give her automatic access to Ridge and the family they had. He moved on, he had a infant child with the love of his life and needed to think about them not about the woman who returned from the grave years later. And why should she annul her marriage ? She had a baby to think about and Ridge did left his mother manipulate him. If he was left to make his choice he would have stayed with Brooke, Rj and Hope.
@@AndreaDelCielo So he shouldn't think about his children with Taylor as well. So Hope and RJ are the only ones that matter. Brooke treated Taylor's return as some kind of inconvenience. Taylor came back and she told Taylor that she needed to be the one to move out when that was Taylor's house first. Ridge and Taylor reared their children in that house. Brooke shouldn't even be living there. Brooke didn't have to annul her marriage. Her marriage became invalid upon Taylor's return. Taylor never really died so technically and legally Ridge and Taylor were still married.
This never happened...Steffy never asked for that since Brooke did not even need an annulment..her marriage was void..it was the opposite..Thomas, Steffy and Phoebe did not want Brooke, Hope and RJ to leave..they went in Brooke's room and hugged her..the biggest rewrite is those kid's bond with the logan family during Taylor's absence...Steffy even used to call Katie "aunt katie" during her first episodes as a grown up after finding out that she almost died at Storm's hand..what are you even talking about?
Those Logan women, so dead set on their opinion that Liam and Hope are meant for each other, refusing to acknowledge some serious character flaws that Ric is pointing out.
Lol Brooke acknowledges that Liam has a bond and connection with Steffy but she belive TRUE LOVE will conquer all like it did for her and Ridge. Again, what mother would push their daughter to be with a man who openly admits he loves another woman? Its lunacy lol
That wasn't why they left. Susan left to retire. Ron left bc he was in a wreck and had trouble with his lines. He wanted to continue his music and wine business. Hope left to pursue prime time TV. I saw the interviews. Thanks!
Tracie Pfalz I saw the interviews too. Ronn once answered a live Q&A about B&B at a concert. He & Susan left due to irreconcilable differences with the owners of the show. They felt as founders they were not getting enough respect & say about the direction of the show. His departure actually pushed Susan’s early retirement. So yeah the accident’s post trauma was initially the official reason but after Bell snubbed him on his request not to recast the part, he retaliated. It’s like the Boyz II Men situation. 🤦🏾♂️
@@JoeQuansa I heard what I wrote in an interview that came straight from the horse's mouths. J/S...But, I realize there's always someone that knows it all!!!!
Tracie Pfalz know it all?! I don’t follow. Anyway if I had the link I would send it to you. What I learnt is that there’s always a story behind the story.
it's funny how liam acting like he so tuff and wanting to marry hope so quickly when after hope and liam got married that ended he went right BACK TO STEFFY
Hope n liam did get married In puglia Italy. They were married about 1 week b4 the marriage was voided. Then they married again last year. Its listed on wikipedia.
What Steffi wanted wasn't that unreasonable a few months for a divorce instead of an annulment it's really not that big a deal... it's just typical hope who wants what she wants when she wants it to hell with everybody including the law
I can’t believe the show still has Steffy & Hope fighting over him after all these years. And their family members are still fighting to encourage each of them to pursue him. If I was Taylor or Ridge or Brooke, I’d be telling my daughter to leave him in the dust and move on. SMH.
Ridge and Rick were the only ones making sense in this episode. Liam does need to actually take some time before jumping in and out of things and YES, if Liam can impulsively marry someone after one day of being dumped, then a guy like that is clearly not someone you can depend on in the long run. But the Logan girls were so dead set on not letting Steffy "win", they kept pushing Hope to be with a man who did nothing but hurt her over and over and over😮
What a waste of good chocolate! lol I'm curious as to why there's seating for at least a dozen people at the wedding when only half of that was actually in attendance? Katie being a bitter pill as usual even though she took back the bum who cheated on her.
Vibeike and annie you are both wrong. In the real world you cant trick or keep big secret from a person you marry it's called fraud and marriage can be annulled without agreement from the party who committed the fraud.
@@tayloralexander4413 with that famous "technically" that the fans of hope like every time they do not agree with those of Steffy. Hope had removed her ring and returned it to the chimney of the cliff house. So technically at this time, Hope was no longer Liam's fiancé
@@tayloralexander4413 AND he was still married to Steffy. So it's not really a fiancée. The whole thing was ridiculous and childish - but well - typical Hope and her mother. They only live from planning weddings in their dream world.
@@tayloralexander4413 Liam might have been Hope´s fiancé, but he was Steffy´s husband and until Liam is divorced, he CANNOT marry Hope and Hope was told OVER AND OVER AND OVER that Steffy WOULD NOT sign those papers... WHY did she go ahead and plan a wedding to a married man???
Brooke you need to stop acting like you care about stuffy and her feelings stop playing them step Mommy card and just admit you only care about hope and her happiness
They surely had fun filming this scene with the chocolate. You can see all they want to do is laugh. They enjoy themselves and fans spend their time lashing out at each other through social media. Good job Kim M. and Jacqueline M.I.w
@@barihope I just can't stand Brooke or her daughter they both are worthless like seriously Brooke need to mind her own business it has nothing to do with her especially Taylor and Ridge they both needed my own business too let Liam make his own choice if he want to be with hope or steffy like seriously they always put the false blame on steffy after she been through a lot losing her sister her family torn apart that was kind of awkward for her I guess she got her revenge she got what she wanted revenge
Steffy didn't manipulate Liam into proposing ; that was all Liam being impulsive. So what she fought to keep the guy she loved...That's something Hope never does. Brooke always coercing Liam to go back to Hope like Steffy was a mistake and get over her. Steffy is always looking out for Liam happiness and Hope only looked out for her own. Katie is a bitter battle axe. How can you stay mad at Steffy but stay married to Bill? Get over it!!!
Its was good drama ! Old Hope and Steffy had fun fight chocolate! Hope ruined herself to came see Steffy in house . Hope's fault. Steffy didn't coming see Lope wedding. I love it that they fighting with chocolate
It's ok for Hope to have power over Steffy, but Steffy having power over Hopeless that a problem. Liam is a waffler boy but with Steffy he waffler less. Hopeless guilts Liam into any decisions when it comes to Steffy or Taylor.
Finally I agree with Rick! They acting like steffy did it all and Liam nothing, he proposed to steffy not otherwise. Omg wait a minute.. Maybe she took a spell om him😆
Ok I don’t get it. Liam and Steffy is waiting 6 months. So why does Liam let Hope walk out on their so called wedding day? If he’s not committed to Steffy then why does he have to stay at the same house with her? 🤷🏻♀️
I think Steffi just stupid she don't need to be acting like Brooke Ann Taylor fighting over ridge I wish her and hope work things out because they both made mistakes
16:42 -- "I just think that WE need some time"... "WE need to take some time to figure out what we really want".... No, Steffy, YOU need time. Liam literally just told you a few minutes ago what he wants. You just don't like to hear it so you come in with this "we" and "us" stuff as if he's in that place to. And Liam knows Steffy is emotionally volatile, so he's afraid to come in and remind her of what he wants.
Liam did not love Steffy back than. He did not care about her. He said he had divorce papers after Steffy indirectly asked him to overthink his decision!
@@toniwelch6504 So how do you explain his response? I would certainly feel that way if my husband told me this in front of the woman he left me for. Things changed in between..but Liam treated steffy worse during that period than now. She basically told him later that she will not share him with another woman and disapproves of his childish behavior. That is when he totally committed himself to her and left Ivy. He was ready to put her through the same heart-ache when he married Ivy. Liam is a damn jackass
@@joandemmerritte5615 liam was a fool. Maybe he thought he loved steffy but in reality steffy and liam= toxic lust only. Liam and hope= true love and soulmates.
Seriously. I would have said goodbye the second he started waffling between 2 women, only going back to the other when there was some misunderstanding or betrayal with the other.
He simply can't!! Liam loves being with Steffy and loves who he is while with her...But he allows himself to be guilted by HOpe and her Smother into being with Hope. And if he would be honest to both women (and himself); this triangle would have been over years ago. But since Liam wants to continue lying to himself he gonna keep waffling. Its gonna take one of the women to "Lady up" and cut those heart strings.
How does one plan a wedding for a married man. Steffy did not drag, Liam to the altar if he was so in love with Hope he would not be able to marru steffy the next day, he would at least be sad about breaking up with the love of his life.
Steffy he doesn't want u anymore,funny Steffy keeps saying Hope is rushing Liam so wat did u do Steffy marring him d day after Hope took off her ring,funny how it's bad for Hope bt it was good for u
Steffy 💔 needs a man completely committed to her and her only ❤️ not a waffling ping pong ball 💯 who can only give her half his heart ♥️ this was funny awsome episode this guy is so not worth it at all 💯
@@barihope she should have stayed with Marcus instead of Liam and Rick I like Marcus he's a better man than Liam and Rick I wish him and Steffy we got back together she would've have ended up with Liam and Wyatt and Rick
Plus Hope got violent first and smacked Steffy across the face! Hope is actually very violent when it comes to Steffy. She also pushed Steffy into her desk on on the floor when Steffy was pregnant with baby Aspen.
HOW MANY TIME HAS LIAM TOLD STEFFY HE DONT WANT HER? Too bad Steffy doesn’t seem to know the old adage that says don’t let a man tell you more than once that he doesn’t want you. Liam is always going to love Hope. He can trust her and he respects her and she won’t sleep with his father.
Kameisha Roberts - Are you kidding? Liam has always gone to Hope of his own free will. Unlike Steffy, Hope has never had to lock Steffy in a gondola to keep Liam from marrying her. Unlike Steffy, Hope has never needed Bill’s help to send them all over Italy to keep them from marrying. And, Hope has never showed up at the alter to stop Steffy from marrying Liam by crying that she was pregnant. Liam goes back to Steffy because she manipulates the situation and he leaves her when it blows up in steffy’s face. Steffy slept with Liam’s father and just because the baby HAPPENED to turn out to be Liam’s, Steffy thought he should just get over that little fact and build a life with her and the baby. She had no clue what devastation she did to the man and how he could never love, trust and respect her the same again. What man could?
@@juanitahayes9076 plz we all know steffy wasn't the nicest back then that's the past but Liam really love steffy in fact he loves both of them can't blame steffy Liam have a mind of his own and he choose to be back of forth between hope and steffy. I you are a lope fans see things on one side
Back then...Steffy because focused on Liam after she could not have Bill. She was OBSESSED and in love with Bill. I still think for her, it's Bill...only time will tell if they will be together.
And now both Steffy and Hope have daughters by Liam making another generation of the same!!! Now surely there is going to be another boy born to take Liam's place next generation... Other than Douglas no males... Maybe Wyatt and Flo or Sally will have the boy... Nevermind Wyatt is Liam's brother... They need more families!!! They're headed for incest... Hmm maybe ... Justin and the pretty model that was going to marry Thomas... Uhg can't think of name's
Steffy hasn't learned a thing, still lying through her teeth. Hope attacked her? She threw the first chocolate to ruin Hope's dress. Why would hope agree? I'm missing something?
+Treenz MJ So what if Steffy said something? Hope barges into Steffy's home, uninvited, and starts making demands. Hope is lucky all she got was a ruined dress.
The disdain the Logans have for Steffy and the hypocrisy of all the Logan witches .... Ridge being as wishy washy as Liam and defending everyone. Liam is an ass and Hope thinks she can snap her fingers and get whatever she wants, whenever she wants and it doesn't matter who gets hurt in the process. She's just like her mother.
I like hope. I really do. But steffie has a right to a divorce and not an annulment. She loved liam. Liam loved her. He was not forced into a damn thing. Steffie is being more than fare Its a bit ridiculous to insist an annulment take place so you can marry liam.
Wrong Sarah. Liam was tricked and manipulated into that marriage and steffy committed fraud so in real world marriage could have been annulled without steffys consent and that's what steffy deserved. Steffy deserved nothing after locking a girl up to steal her man and fiancee.
@@barihope how was it fraud...liam was her finacee..she just pushed the wedding up because hope followed them to Aspen to get liam back after dumping him
@@lynthiaelien6839 wrong. Liam wrote,texted or emailed hope n told her that if she showed up in Aspen he was going to marry her hope not steffy. This meant that hope was really liams fiancee n intended bride. Steffy knew this so when hope showed n steffy saw her she locked her up to dupe/ trick liam into thinking hope didnt want to marry him/liam so she/steffy could steal liam from hope and trick him into that marriage. Sorry folks but u cant keep secrets like that n manipulate some1 into a marriage in real world. In soap operas yes u can. In real world its fraud n marriage would be dissolved without steffys consent but like I said it's a fake soap so they can write what nonsense they want to.
Some people lol. Liam sent hope note to say he wanted to marry her hope, not steffy. I wrote this b4. Some people just dont get it lol. Yes liam didnt know if hope showed up or not thats how steffy was able to trick liam into that 1st marriage. Steffy knew she was committing fraud when she locked hope up and steffy knew liam sent hope the note saying he still wanted to marry her hope. So its fact. Regardless what others think. In real world its fraud in soap opera world it's allowed to make story interesting. Obviously some people didnt watch this show as hope was indeed liams 1st choice n intended fiancee lol.
@Nellie Cooper when have Liam ever left Hope and go bk to steffy never even in 2019/2020 Hope give him up he was living with steffy and still all he spoke of was Hope,twice he was living with steffy and never once did he tink of going bk with Hope as much as Liam loves Steffy he's not in love with her
@Lynnee21 T Hope was liams everything until steffy and Bill messed it all and just like ah weak ass man who tinks with his penis sex became his idol as much as he had claim he understood Hope he didn't and Bill and steffy wasn't helping she throwing her half naked ass at Liam every chance she got and Bill encouraging the shit becoz he knew all to well wat it felt like having steffy all over him so wat did he do to keep her at arms length push his son in her direction,all d men on dat show claims d first woman they get is there everything until d next woman comes along and shows him someting else dat woman ain't showing him
Jacqueline and Kim always had amazing chemistry. They always brought fire to "Steffy" and "Hope" and worked great off each other
“It’s delicious you want a taste” 😂 bro that killed me
That's classic Steffy humor right there! 😂
Rick is right. No one forced Liam into marriage . He makes his own decisions . And the logans always think they can get it their way and they still do. Steffy has every right not to sign those papers
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Agreed!!!
Steffy has every right to insist on being a guys second choice and force herself on him... Doesn't make her look good. Liam made a decision, but without knowing the full truth and he didn't know it because of Steffy's lies.
Aka JR
Liam and Steffy have always had better chemistry Hope should of stayed with Wyatt they had chemistry together
😂😂😂 chocolate fountain fight!!! love it!! thanks Thorne for making it happen 😂
My opinion is Liam seems to enjoy Hope and Steffy fighting over him. 🤔
Yes he does
All men enjoy women obsessing over them, it is the very definition of a PLAYER!...
I think Ridge enjoyed that of Taylor and Brooke...
And both woman enabled the bullshit for too many years.....
@Sheila Wilson it's Bell Jr.... he enjoys writing all the women on the show as being desperate for the nearest dick they can find
Wow Ridge never stood up for Steffi and she is his biological daughter! he is disgusting
Hope is so delusional, Liam should have told you Steffy didn't sign those Annulment papers, instead he let her plan a wedding, hire a minister, never said a thing!
Hope is such a winer
Honestly Hope is the one who loves taking control
I think sh would have still planned the wedding. Hope is just plain stupid
“When I woke up this morning it was my wedding day” wah 😭 wah 😩 wah 😭... what an idiot. Thanks writers, these episodes are hilarious 😂
Katie what are you talking about, Ridge is supposed to care more for Steffy, that is his daughter!
Exactly!
Ty
@@mieshaclarissa Katie is unbelievable. Ridge is supposed to care about Hope but Hope has not cared about Ridge since the day he told her to respect Steffy and Liam's marriage. She turned her back on him and disowned him as her father after everything for her. He raised her and supported her. He always put her and Brooke first. He always chose her and Brooke at the expense of his children and the one time he said something she didn't like she turned her back on him. How is he supposed to support and care for her after that. These Logans have always been okay with Ridge's children getting hurt and pushed to the side in favour of their own.
I just can't believe katie would say something that stupid
@@kameisharoberts1521 Its very stupid of her. I really didn't like the way Ridge was being treated at this time. Everyone was making him to be the bad guy cause he was supporting Steffy and not Hope. He was made out to be some kind of monster. Ridge was made to be a bad person because of it. Everyone was demanding that Ridge support Hope and not Steffy like he is just supposed to ignore his daughter. I feel bad for Ridge but at the same time I don't feel bad. I honestly feel this is karma for him. He has spent so many years pushing his children to the side in favour of Brooke and her children and now look at how things have backfired. That same Hope that he loved so much and treated like a little princess has now turned his back on him. Where as his real children would never do such a thing in spite of everything he has done to them.
Am I the only one who is completely on Steffy's side here? All she is asking for is to know her marriage is still in record and not for people to act like it doesn't matter or didn't exist. Asking for that respect is not that much to ask and Hope is just plain rude to go over there and demand the annulment. I'm glad Liam gave her the divorce.
Thank you finally somebody said it. That marriage might not have been real to Hope but it was very real to Steffy. What she said on that mountain that day was 100% real. There was nothing fake about that. But that's the problem with these Logan women. They see anybody standing in the way of them and their "destiny" as a problem. All of them are that way. Brooke, Hope, Donna, Katie even Bridget is like that to an extent. When Bridget had Logan, she wanted Owen to leave Jackie for her. She wanted him to walk away from his marriage as if it was nothing. She had the gall to be hurt when he rejected her advances. These Logan women have no respect for anyone's marriage other than their own.
@@RealTalk1411 Thank you! Finally someone understands what I've been trying to say...
@@krisstinawilson4461 Hope is so naive and stupid. She really thought Steffy was gonna sign those annulment papers. She saw the emotional state Steffy was in when she got them. She thought that by some stroke of luck or by Brooke or Ridge talking to her that Steffy would sign its just damm ridiculous. These Logans don't know boundaries or respect. Why should Steffy have to invalidate her marriage for Hope. I'm sure if the roles were reversed Hope wasn't signing a damm thing. Look at Brooke. Look at how many marriages she has had, did anybody ever tell her to get an annulment? No. She ended her marriages the correct and proper way so what's the difference with Steffy. These Logan women are unbelievable. Everything must be done their way. Its their way or the highway. Same thing happened with Bridget. When Logan was born she thought Owen was gonna leave Jackie for her but boy did she get the shock of her life when that didn't happen. I can't understand why she was surprised. I mean what did she expect. Owen was never yours. He was never in love with you. Ya'll never had any kind of relationship. What happened that night between the two of you was grief sex. It was a mistake. The both of them have admitted that. A child just happened to come out of it. I don't understand Bridget. Just because you no longer have your marriage and your husband doesn't mean that you are entitled to Jackie's.
Krisstina Wilson I completely agree with u
Krisstina:👏👏👏I am on Steffy's side~~ALWAYS!! I have been a die hard Steffy fan from day one!! Team Steffy all the way and team Forrester fan here!!🌝
Liam is so wishy washy. He should just live with them both. He can't make up his mind and never will!!
As safe as Liam looks here, he will no longer be in Aspen. Does he still believe what he says himself?
In 2023 Liam told Hope he is not a one woman man like Thomas
Ridge should have took his own very advice when it came to Taylor and Brooke
That exactly his point. He knew he made some hasty decisions where Brooke and Taylor was concerned. He went running to the other when something went wrong. He did with thinking and plenty ppl got hurt. That's why he told Liam to take some time and really figure if this was what he wanted but the Logans didn't want that. They wanted a marriage to Liam to happen immediately.
Yes Ridge should have thought about what he was saying cuz he has gone back an forward for years
Logan’s don’t care if Liam is totally committed to Hope, they just want Liam to choose Hope and not Steffy. 🤔
sreffy is sexy and she has experience with the man liam want sex and hope not give him that
Right and look now...she annulled her marriage to liam and married thomas chile bye
Liam belongs with hope always!
Liam belongs to hope always and forever!!!!
Liam belongs to hope forever and eternity! Bill belongs to steffy lol!!!
9:12 Ridge knows of what he speaks, he gave half his heart to two women most of his life.
I find it totally hilarious that Brooke seethes through her teeth "you are twisting it to your advantage" to Steffy when she has been in the same position. Stephanie asked her to annul her marriage to Ridge when Taylor came back from the grave (yet again) and Brooke refused. She didn't even go as far as to say she would grant a divorce! So talk about the pot calling kettle black!
EXACTLY!
Did Ridge ever ask her to?
It is not the same. Taylor coming back from the dead a second time does not give her automatic access to Ridge and the family they had. He moved on, he had a infant child with the love of his life and needed to think about them not about the woman who returned from the grave years later. And why should she annul her marriage ? She had a baby to think about and Ridge did left his mother manipulate him. If he was left to make his choice he would have stayed with Brooke, Rj and Hope.
@@AndreaDelCielo So he shouldn't think about his children with Taylor as well. So Hope and RJ are the only ones that matter. Brooke treated Taylor's return as some kind of inconvenience. Taylor came back and she told Taylor that she needed to be the one to move out when that was Taylor's house first. Ridge and Taylor reared their children in that house. Brooke shouldn't even be living there. Brooke didn't have to annul her marriage. Her marriage became invalid upon Taylor's return. Taylor never really died so technically and legally Ridge and Taylor were still married.
This never happened...Steffy never asked for that since Brooke did not even need an annulment..her marriage was void..it was the opposite..Thomas, Steffy and Phoebe did not want Brooke, Hope and RJ to leave..they went in Brooke's room and hugged her..the biggest rewrite is those kid's bond with the logan family during Taylor's absence...Steffy even used to call Katie "aunt katie" during her first episodes as a grown up after finding out that she almost died at Storm's hand..what are you even talking about?
Those Logan women, so dead set on their opinion that Liam and Hope are meant for each other, refusing to acknowledge some serious character flaws that Ric is pointing out.
So both Liam and Hope feel they can walk into Steffy's parents house at anytime.
Neither of them felt the need to knock
Nobody knocks on soaps. Steffy use to just walk into Liam's house unannounced all the time
Don't locked the door either
Hope worries more about the wedding than the marriage
Lol Brooke acknowledges that Liam has a bond and connection with Steffy but she belive TRUE LOVE will conquer all like it did for her and Ridge. Again, what mother would push their daughter to be with a man who openly admits he loves another woman? Its lunacy lol
I don’t blame the actors that left this show. The plot had become ridiculous.
That wasn't why they left. Susan left to retire. Ron left bc he was in a wreck and had trouble with his lines. He wanted to continue his music and wine business. Hope left to pursue prime time TV. I saw the interviews. Thanks!
Tracie Pfalz I saw the interviews too. Ronn once answered a live Q&A about B&B at a concert. He & Susan left due to irreconcilable differences with the owners of the show. They felt as founders they were not getting enough respect & say about the direction of the show. His departure actually pushed Susan’s early retirement. So yeah the accident’s post trauma was initially the official reason but after Bell snubbed him on his request not to recast the part, he retaliated. It’s like the Boyz II Men situation. 🤦🏾♂️
@@JoeQuansa I heard what I wrote in an interview that came straight from the horse's mouths. J/S...But, I realize there's always someone that knows it all!!!!
Tracie Pfalz know it all?! I don’t follow. Anyway if I had the link I would send it to you. What I learnt is that there’s always a story behind the story.
@@JoeQuansa Uuh, okay, sure!
it's funny how liam acting like he so tuff and wanting to marry hope so quickly when after hope and liam got married that ended he went right BACK TO STEFFY
Hope and Liam never got married until now???
He went to his daughter.
Hope n liam did get married In puglia Italy. They were married about 1 week b4 the marriage was voided. Then they married again last year. Its listed on wikipedia.
Steffy just dishes out to hope what brooke dished out to taylor.
What Steffi wanted wasn't that unreasonable a few months for a divorce instead of an annulment it's really not that big a deal... it's just typical hope who wants what she wants when she wants it to hell with everybody including the law
I am team steffy but she should not be fighting over liam he's not worth it
Renelle Kennedy exactly and I’m team Steffy too, but I also think Liam and Steffy r way better than Hope and Liam.
Agreed
But he's worth it to her.
Liam is just a stupid boy that loves when these girls are fighting over him...
But I ❤️Steffy and Liam
Liam is sooooo not worth this 😒 waffle boy
True and it's painful to watch this as a woman
NO Liam is not worth all this. Pity they didn't attack him.
He a lil Goody Goody !
I can’t believe the show still has Steffy & Hope fighting over him after all these years. And their family members are still fighting to encourage each of them to pursue him. If I was Taylor or Ridge or Brooke, I’d be telling my daughter to leave him in the dust and move on. SMH.
He's an overrated useless dickhead
Well what the hell did Hope expect trying to get married when Liam wasn’t even divorced?? That would’ve been committing bigamy too!
She probably wouldn't have even have cared. As long as she's married to Liam and gets to have sex with she's fine.
I am so tired of hearing Hope talk about my wedding
The logan sisters annoy the crap out of me the hypocrisy is so much with these women
Ridge and Rick were the only ones making sense in this episode. Liam does need to actually take some time before jumping in and out of things and YES, if Liam can impulsively marry someone after one day of being dumped, then a guy like that is clearly not someone you can depend on in the long run. But the Logan girls were so dead set on not letting Steffy "win", they kept pushing Hope to be with a man who did nothing but hurt her over and over and over😮
Liam should have told Hope he don't want to marry her anymore. He was sexual attraction to someone else and tell Brooke back off
What a waste of good chocolate! lol
I'm curious as to why there's seating for at least a dozen people at the wedding when only half of that was actually in attendance? Katie being a bitter pill as usual even though she took back the bum who cheated on her.
The logans need to stop
Steffy have all right to wait 6 months for a divorce
Annie Lalla
Absolutely correct
Wrong. Steffy committed fraud
Steffy had no rights. True facts.
No Steffy doesn't! She inserted herself in the middle of Hope and Liam because she was jealous of Hope!
Y. F. Sunshine
She didn't force Liam. He was a willing participant. So Yes, she had the right to wait for 6 months
Vibeike and annie you are both wrong. In the real world you cant trick or keep big secret from a person you marry it's called fraud and marriage can be annulled without agreement from the party who committed the fraud.
So did Ridge he loved Taylor and Brook fighting over him.
So typical for Hope: "I want to get married today, I want, I want, I want - mimimimmi !!!" Her fairy tale world is shaking - hugh.
I mean Liam was her fiance so
@@tayloralexander4413
with that famous "technically" that the fans of hope like every time they do not agree with those of Steffy. Hope had removed her ring and returned it to the chimney of the cliff house. So technically at this time, Hope was no longer Liam's fiancé
@@tayloralexander4413 AND he was still married to Steffy. So it's not really a fiancée. The whole thing was ridiculous and childish - but well - typical Hope and her mother. They only live from planning weddings in their dream world.
@@tayloralexander4413 Liam might have been Hope´s fiancé, but he was Steffy´s husband and until Liam is divorced, he CANNOT marry Hope and Hope was told OVER AND OVER AND OVER that Steffy WOULD NOT sign those papers... WHY did she go ahead and plan a wedding to a married man???
TEAM STEFFY❤😂
Good. Settings. Steffy
RIdge can't give any advice on marriage. He is the King of flip flopping
Brooke you need to stop acting like you care about stuffy and her feelings stop playing them step Mommy card and just admit you only care about hope and her happiness
Gotta love Steffy, she said the chocolate was delicious; wanna taste...
Lol ikr love her so much
Cant stand steffyhoe!
barihope
You are so jealous of Steffy!
@@tsmith7119 I'm not jealous of steffy at all. Theres nothing about steffy I like so no reason to be jealous.
@@barihope right
Brooke you have been through all of this and you were just like steffy. So stop being a bully
@donna sears I can't stand the Logan's family
They surely had fun filming this scene with the chocolate. You can see all they want to do is laugh. They enjoy themselves and fans spend their time lashing out at each other through social media. Good job Kim M. and Jacqueline M.I.w
Aldair SAID ACHIRAFI KM was the best!
In my culture, the elders would slap sense into this boy & tell him to marry them both under customary law. 🤣
I cannot stand Hope or Brooke. They are sickening!! Team Steffy all the way!!
Frances Mandeville No It’s Not! 😠
Team hope team Brooke team lope team bridge forever!
@@barihope I just can't stand Brooke or her daughter they both are worthless like seriously Brooke need to mind her own business it has nothing to do with her especially Taylor and Ridge they both needed my own business too let Liam make his own choice if he want to be with hope or steffy like seriously they always put the false blame on steffy after she been through a lot losing her sister her family torn apart that was kind of awkward for her I guess she got her revenge she got what she wanted revenge
I believe Liam loves having the 2 chicks fighting over him.
Ridge did!
HOpe, your time would be better spent getting on Liam for not telling you that the annulment papers were unsigned.
Hello 💯💯💯
Everyone seems to forget that Steffy manipulated the situation to her advantage and she wasnt even with Liam first .
Darla Jokinen thank u.
Nobody held a gun to his head
Steffy didn't manipulate Liam into proposing ; that was all Liam being impulsive. So what she fought to keep the guy she loved...That's something Hope never does. Brooke always coercing Liam to go back to Hope like Steffy was a mistake and get over her. Steffy is always looking out for Liam happiness and Hope only looked out for her own. Katie is a bitter battle axe. How can you stay mad at Steffy but stay married to Bill? Get over it!!!
That's exactly why I can't feel sorry, for Steffy, where Hope is concerned.
Its was good drama ! Old Hope and Steffy had fun fight chocolate! Hope ruined herself to came see Steffy in house . Hope's fault. Steffy didn't coming see Lope wedding. I love it that they fighting with chocolate
We need new writers..its the same
It's ok for Hope to have power over Steffy, but Steffy having power over Hopeless that a problem. Liam is a waffler boy but with Steffy he waffler less. Hopeless guilts Liam into any decisions when it comes to Steffy or Taylor.
Finally I agree with Rick!
They acting like steffy did it all and Liam nothing, he proposed to steffy not otherwise. Omg wait a minute.. Maybe she took a spell om him😆
Can't u take people to court for annulments
Ok I don’t get it. Liam and Steffy is waiting 6 months. So why does Liam let Hope walk out on their so called wedding day? If he’s not committed to Steffy then why does he have to stay at the same house with her? 🤷🏻♀️
Oh Liam and Steffy are not living together. She's at her mom's. He has his own place.
Watch and listen he said he was waiting on the papers to come smh
I think Steffi just stupid she don't need to be acting like Brooke Ann Taylor fighting over ridge I wish her and hope work things out because they both made mistakes
Can't wait to see Hope come back to her wedding covered in chocolate. 😂😂😂
16:42 -- "I just think that WE need some time"... "WE need to take some time to figure out what we really want".... No, Steffy, YOU need time. Liam literally just told you a few minutes ago what he wants. You just don't like to hear it so you come in with this "we" and "us" stuff as if he's in that place to. And Liam knows Steffy is emotionally volatile, so he's afraid to come in and remind her of what he wants.
@Demetria Streeter lolol hahaha that's true
Liam did not love Steffy back than. He did not care about her. He said he had divorce papers after Steffy indirectly asked him to overthink his decision!
Dani K disagree
@@toniwelch6504 So how do you explain his response? I would certainly feel that way if my husband told me this in front of the woman he left me for. Things changed in between..but Liam treated steffy worse during that period than now. She basically told him later that she will not share him with another woman and disapproves of his childish behavior. That is when he totally committed himself to her and left Ivy. He was ready to put her through the same heart-ache when he married Ivy. Liam is a damn jackass
Liam just told Ridge at his and Hope's wedding that he loves Steffy and always will. He loves his wife... STEFFY.
@@danik2414 ... I loved when Steffy stood her ground during the Ivy and Liam debacle.
@@joandemmerritte5615 liam was a fool. Maybe he thought he loved steffy but in reality steffy and liam= toxic lust only. Liam and hope= true love and soulmates.
Wow!!! Thanks for posting these old episodes, awesome!!! Steffy should of let Liam the loser go, so should hope. He's a damn playa!!!
Seriously. I would have said goodbye the second he started waffling between 2 women, only going back to the other when there was some misunderstanding or betrayal with the other.
Brooke will not allow Hope to walk away from Liam
JUST LIKE BROOK N TAYLOR OVET RIDGE
Liam needs to stay away from steffy
He simply can't!! Liam loves being with Steffy and loves who he is while with her...But he allows himself to be guilted by HOpe and her Smother into being with Hope. And if he would be honest to both women (and himself); this triangle would have been over years ago. But since Liam wants to continue lying to himself he gonna keep waffling. Its gonna take one of the women to "Lady up" and cut those heart strings.
Yes liam needs to stay away from steffy as they were a mistake from the beginning!
The acting had gotten better on this show in recent years
THEM TWO CRAZY FIGHTING OVER LIAM
He's so not worth it
Ok is it me or what but when Liam was talking to ridge he said he loved steff but never said love hope just him and hope deserves this hmmmm
He said his life is with hope
loved, as in past tense lol
@@TriggeredGamesx ah lot of ppl didn't pass English
How does one plan a wedding for a married man. Steffy did not drag, Liam to the altar if he was so in love with Hope he would not be able to marru steffy the next day, he would at least be sad about breaking up with the love of his life.
Steffy he doesn't want u anymore,funny Steffy keeps saying Hope is rushing Liam so wat did u do Steffy marring him d day after Hope took off her ring,funny how it's bad for Hope bt it was good for u
liam you made a fool out of Steffy it will take her fans a lot to forgive you
No It’s Not 😠
You know I still hate Steffy but at least she’s gotten better
team steffy forever
Steffy sucks 4ever!
Hope suck too
@@barihope team steffy😜😜😜😜😜
@@angelequealafleur9695 hopes a Air head
@@michellejones6851 lolol hahaha love this comment
you were so nasty Liam and Steffy is a beautiful girl
Sex dosent nake a relationship love and commitment does
Hope n liam have love and commitment. Steffy n liam have sex n a toxic unhealthy relationship.
Tell that to Liam
Wimpy Liam. For shame. He's worse than wishy washy 😒
How can everyone leave him blameless?
Steffy 💔 needs a man completely committed to her and her only ❤️ not a waffling ping pong ball 💯 who can only give her half his heart ♥️ this was funny awsome episode this guy is so not worth it at all 💯
Agree
Hope belongs with liam steffy doesn't never did n never will.
@@barihope she should have stayed with Marcus instead of Liam and Rick I like Marcus he's a better man than Liam and Rick I wish him and Steffy we got back together she would've have ended up with Liam and Wyatt and Rick
When Ridge Was RIDGE!!!!
THE OG SUPER FINE SUPER BAD! HANDLING LIFE & Most of all KEEPING BROOK IN CHECK!!!!!
If hopes worried about losing Liam for having to wait 6 months bc she’s worried about him being seduced then u shouldn’t be with him
Steffy looks good covered in chocolate
To be fair, Steffy threw the chocolate first!
What was she supposed to do? Hope barged into her home and demanded that she annul her marriage.
Plus Hope got violent first and smacked Steffy across the face! Hope is actually very violent when it comes to Steffy. She also pushed Steffy into her desk on on the floor when Steffy was pregnant with baby Aspen.
Hope slapped steffy first
HOW MANY TIME HAS LIAM TOLD STEFFY HE DONT WANT HER? Too bad Steffy doesn’t seem to know the old adage that says don’t let a man tell you more than once that he doesn’t want you. Liam is always going to love Hope. He can trust her and he respects her and she won’t sleep with his father.
Liam is an ass if he dont want steffy why he keep going back to steffy
Kameisha Roberts - Are you kidding? Liam has always gone to Hope of his own free will. Unlike Steffy, Hope has never had to lock Steffy in a gondola to keep Liam from marrying her. Unlike Steffy, Hope has never needed Bill’s help to send them all over Italy to keep them from marrying. And, Hope has never showed up at the alter to stop Steffy from marrying Liam by crying that she was pregnant. Liam goes back to Steffy because she manipulates the situation and he leaves her when it blows up in steffy’s face. Steffy slept with Liam’s father and just because the baby HAPPENED to turn out to be Liam’s, Steffy thought he should just get over that little fact and build a life with her and the baby. She had no clue what devastation she did to the man and how he could never love, trust and respect her the same again. What man could?
@@juanitahayes9076 plz we all know steffy wasn't the nicest back then that's the past but Liam really love steffy in fact he loves both of them can't blame steffy Liam have a mind of his own and he choose to be back of forth between hope and steffy. I you are a lope fans see things on one side
Kameisha Roberts k
actions speak louder than words.
Back then...Steffy because focused on Liam after she could not have Bill. She was OBSESSED and in love with Bill. I still think for her, it's Bill...only time will tell if they will be together.
@Christina Bonvillian ha! Rewatch
@@kashiera1234no it was Brooke to
I miss this Ridge
Steffy my girl!!!!!
The Logan’s are a trip 🙄🙄🙄 all of them
Steffy is the one that grabbed the chocolate first, not Hope
Hope is the one who barged into her house started making demands
Gross lol these two beautiful women fight over a dork that still goes back and fourth every time the seasons change
Man i miss ronn
He's so not worth any of this but this made a vv interesting story 💕💛💙♥️
Taylor and Brooke all over again...don't have anything better to write...sure I can do better.
I can do better. Tired of these endless triangles on this show.
And now both Steffy and Hope have daughters by Liam making another generation of the same!!! Now surely there is going to be another boy born to take Liam's place next generation... Other than Douglas no males... Maybe Wyatt and Flo or Sally will have the boy... Nevermind Wyatt is Liam's brother... They need more families!!! They're headed for incest... Hmm maybe ... Justin and the pretty model that was going to marry Thomas... Uhg can't think of name's
@@beckytick zoe
Why so hard on steffy it’s her dumb fiancé fault
Hope is all like her mother
Ridge is crazy, that marriage should’ve never happened anyway, he should get out of it ASAP
Epic amazing priceless episode 👌🌸♥️💙💛💜
hope needs to go back to LA I wish she would and stay in la
Steffy hasn't learned a thing, still lying through her teeth. Hope attacked her? She threw the first chocolate to ruin Hope's dress. Why would hope agree? I'm missing something?
She slapped her first that's what she talking about
@@patriciamayer9528 ah ok makes sense... but steffy said something stupid and rude first so....
+Treenz MJ So what if Steffy said something? Hope barges into Steffy's home, uninvited, and starts making demands. Hope is lucky all she got was a ruined dress.
@@RhaegarTargaryen1st #truth
Steffy Hasnt Learned Anything And Is Still Lying ? This OLD Asf Its NOW 2019 !
Hope was always Liam's first choice!
And Oliver was Hope's first choice!🤷🏽♀️😌😂😂😂🤣
It's a scary time. When ridge is the freaking voice of reason
Ridge should have kicked Katie out of his house. How could he let anyone talk about his daughter that way.
Team hope forever and always!
Barihope i e gree whith you
Hate hope she’s spoil broad
Mason steffys the spoiled brat selfish one!
omg I hate the Logan's!! and I hate Ridge too for always having their backs and dissing his own kids!!
The disdain the Logans have for Steffy and the hypocrisy of all the Logan witches .... Ridge being as wishy washy as Liam and defending everyone. Liam is an ass and Hope thinks she can snap her fingers and get whatever she wants, whenever she wants and it doesn't matter who gets hurt in the process. She's just like her mother.
Stephanie is a spoiled brat always wants to get what she wants and won’t leave Hope and Liam alone they make a good couple from Rachel
You. Still want stephy. Not hope
I like hope. I really do. But steffie has a right to a divorce and not an annulment. She loved liam. Liam loved her. He was not forced into a damn thing. Steffie is being more than fare
Its a bit ridiculous to insist an annulment take place so you can marry liam.
Wrong Sarah. Liam was tricked and manipulated into that marriage and steffy committed fraud so in real world marriage could have been annulled without steffys consent and that's what steffy deserved. Steffy deserved nothing after locking a girl up to steal her man and fiancee.
@@barihope how was it fraud...liam was her finacee..she just pushed the wedding up because hope followed them to Aspen to get liam back after dumping him
@@lynthiaelien6839 wrong. Liam wrote,texted or emailed hope n told her that if she showed up in Aspen he was going to marry her hope not steffy. This meant that hope was really liams fiancee n intended bride. Steffy knew this so when hope showed n steffy saw her she locked her up to dupe/ trick liam into thinking hope didnt want to marry him/liam so she/steffy could steal liam from hope and trick him into that marriage. Sorry folks but u cant keep secrets like that n manipulate some1 into a marriage in real world. In soap operas yes u can. In real world its fraud n marriage would be dissolved without steffys consent but like I said it's a fake soap so they can write what nonsense they want to.
@@barihope she was his intended fiancee 🤣🤣🤣 ummm his ring was on steffys finger...he didn't even know hope was in aspen
Some people lol. Liam sent hope note to say he wanted to marry her hope, not steffy. I wrote this b4. Some people just dont get it lol. Yes liam didnt know if hope showed up or not thats how steffy was able to trick liam into that 1st marriage. Steffy knew she was committing fraud when she locked hope up and steffy knew liam sent hope the note saying he still wanted to marry her hope. So its fact. Regardless what others think. In real world its fraud in soap opera world it's allowed to make story interesting. Obviously some people didnt watch this show as hope was indeed liams 1st choice n intended fiancee lol.
Way to go Steffy.
Right
Jacqueline Peter No It’s Not 😠
@@tonyperkins6794 No It’s Not 😠
No It’s Not 😠
Oh yea Ridge and u want a man for ur daughter who gives her half his heart also who runs bk to Hope everytime ur daughter mess up
@Nellie Cooper when have Liam ever left Hope and go bk to steffy never even in 2019/2020 Hope give him up he was living with steffy and still all he spoke of was Hope,twice he was living with steffy and never once did he tink of going bk with Hope as much as Liam loves Steffy he's not in love with her
@Lynnee21 T Hope was liams everything until steffy and Bill messed it all and just like ah weak ass man who tinks with his penis sex became his idol as much as he had claim he understood Hope he didn't and Bill and steffy wasn't helping she throwing her half naked ass at Liam every chance she got and Bill encouraging the shit becoz he knew all to well wat it felt like having steffy all over him so wat did he do to keep her at arms length push his son in her direction,all d men on dat show claims d first woman they get is there everything until d next woman comes along and shows him someting else dat woman ain't showing him