South Park Understands Goths! (South Park Video Essay)
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- Out of curiosity, how many times did I say the word "poser" or something similar?
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As an actual goth who stayed in the scene until now, almost at 30, I really love seeing the kids in south park. They are basically the essence of what younglings are who just discovered the scene, take everything way too seriously and try to gatekeep the scene from others who also just learned about it.
i remember when i took hard/heavy music too seriously lol
You got that right.
I remember getting into my scene/goth phase as a kid, trying to find other scene/goth kids to hang out with was exhausting because of how gatekeepy they all were, especially if they had been in the "phase" for like a few more months than you.
Nowadays, I'm just happy being me, still wearing scene/goth clothes form time to time rather than try-harding all the time.
@@BrightWulphI was lucky I more gravitated to a big group of metalheads, punks, and "elder goths" as my friend group when I first got more into things than just having a decent collection of music. Much more open and inclusive. Also seemed to have a much broader interest in music in general.
@@larrote6467 ...I really don't see how post punk is hard/heavy. It's pretty relaxing, some of it nearly puts me in a trance.
They really nailed it. Especially in a time when most mainstream media didn't know the difference between goths, emos, and metal heads.
waaaait...there's a difference??
@@AA-qt1hiyes a very big one to be honest. Goth people mostly hate the world blame everyone else and wouldn’t mind the world burning. Emos (like me) blame themselves get very very emotional and just want their suffering to end as well as are very normally shy people. And metal heads just like the music mostly I think I’m not sure I like metal but wouldn’t consider myself a metal head
@@JamesSimms24 Aight I guess that that does make sense- just realized it made me think of Sweet Dreams (The Marilyn one) suddenly lol
I'll accept this, for world Goth Day celebration. 🦇 Love those kids, unfortunately I didn't have fellow goth friends growing up.
@@bsanchez3563 exactly what it’s like perfect example. Some of them wanna use you some wanna be used some wanna abuse other wanna be abused l. I couldn’t have put it better then that song did. I dont believe that song is about this topic but still really fits. Don’t get me wrong I’m sure there is more to emos and goths etc. but the main thing is what I stated also thank you for reminding me of that amazing song I haven’t heard in forever
I love that Michael is like a legit friend to Stan. When Stan gets served, Michael goes to help. Stan enlists their help during Black Friday. That's kinda badass
Stan is like the only kid the goths kids like and hang out with kind of.
@@sadcrab69well they've been cool since that first time Wendy broke up with him
Yeah, they liked him since he became a goth
If Stan wasn't so close with Kyle he would probably have ended up drinking spiked coffee with the goths all the time after his depression arc
@@NormOttdeer I can see it. I could also see a scene getting deleted from one of the more recent episodes of South Park where Stan goes to the goth kids when he start seeing how close Tolkien and Kyle are getting when they were doing their tiktoks
It's always kinda funny that South Park, this rude, crude, and socially unacceptable show, has better representation of certain groups than more 'respected' media. Like when they introduced Jimmy and Timmy, the mainstream tried to say that they were offensive stereotypes but the disabled community _loved_ them. And just how accurately they portrayed tourettes. Gotta love satire.
Didn't Matt & Trey get like an official thank you from a Tourettes support group or whatever? Pretty incredible.
@@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty Oh yes they did
In germany there was a whole comedy group who started making more and more homosexual jokes with the homosexuals as the protagonists. They were praised in the late 90s and early 2000s, but tide shifted and the young SJW doom them.
They got awards and thanks for being so progressive in their early success, the humor was focused on stereotypes and over-dramatization in absurd situations. Its also a Star Trek Parody.
They are literally afraid to tell new stories with the fan loved characters as nowadays idiocy would probably lynch them.
Look up Bullyparade if you want to know more.
My mom is a life long goth and she absolutely loves the goth kids in South Park. They are extremely accurate and well done.
I wouldn't say extremely accurate
she wears a uniform and has little personality then?
You have a goth mom? Cool!
@liamsteam walsh yeah, I can appreciate some aspects of how they're portrayed in South Park.
One of my favorite bits about the Goth Kids came in a creator commentary (I think it was for Coon and Cthulu episode) where they mentioned how they thought about updating the Kids look. They even went out of their way to lookup more modern goth looks and trends only to realize they're pretty much the exact same as the 90's.😁
Hell in many cases the current goth kids not only dressed the same, they were listening to the same goth bands from 20+ years ago.😂
Well there's been plenty of new either goth specific or goth adjacent bands over the past several decades, but the classics are the classics. Even though Andrew Eldritch may disagree and say that The Sisters Of Mercy is hard rock... I kinda think that those classic batcave bands just feel pigeonholed and are upset that they don't have more mainstream appeal, but ultimately, rock in its various genres and sub genres has fallen off the charts in the past several decades so they should appreciate the audience they have, I doubt anyone else is about to get into their music.
I wish the Goth kids had more time to shine. They're my favorite characters.
I want an episode where they are against tiktokers or e girls who have an only fans
My mom has been goth her entire life. And she swears to this day that the south Park goth kids are the best representation she's ever personally come across
"We just got Goth-sevred" is probably one of my favorite lines in this entire show
Its genius
Yeah, as someone who spent a long time on the goth scene, I was quite impressed with these character. Often, South Park's understanding of things is kinda surface level but they really do seem to have a deeper understanding with these character. I esspecially liked watching Goth, Emos and Vamps all outragedly arguing over how different there were whilst the view of them from without is that they're all the same which I've seen so many times amongst the goth community.
I kind of wished the Matt and Trey went a little bit more into how goth and emo were started as music subcultures with goth initially being derived from post-punk and and emo being derived from post-hardcore. Eventually both suffered the same fate of having the mainstream divorce the aesthetic from the music to make a buck from moody teens. At the end of the day and despite their differences, they're all punk.
Emo is nowhere near hard-core or post hardcore. Mainstream media is responsible for that belief, and bands like MCR even came out said how much they loathed being called emo, when they're pop punk.
@@carna-9501Well pop punk is an abomination so it's probably not an improvement
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 i wouldn't say pop punk is an abomination, some of the bad members of pop punk bands are, but the music itself isn't all that bad
@@carna-9501 perhaps my wording was poor. Its that pop and punk are concepts that seem innately opposed, and i did not find a word for a mix of opposing ideas at the moment
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 paradoxical. Pop punk is indeed a paradox but its given a pass because pop punk is only defined by two things(three technically), the general sound of the music and lyrics, then the popularity of the band. The technical third is band members SAing underage girls and making fake apologies about it. Look up Warped Minds of Warped Tour if you haven't already seen it for examples
"Is Pete the Kenny of the Goth Kids?" Oh thank God I'm not the only one thinking that
It fits. He lives in a trailer, actively talked to a girl, and went out of his way to do something nice for Henrietta in the end.
firkle is lmao
@@gatorpuppy because of how quiet the kis is?
We need a spin-off with just the Goth Kids!!!!
@@FnafMinecraftisgayandlame we need an entire special for the goth kids
I like to think Goth Michael is possibly the Michael Tweek was referring to in his fake break up with Craig.
I LOVE the Goth kids!! They're so funny and actually good representation. They know what they're doing when they make jokes about the them and as an actual Goth, I always laugh. They get the stereotypes just right and nail the references, the music and fashion especially. In fact, watching this video, I just noticed that Pete is wearing purple creepers. If one of them shows up wearing Killstar, Demonia or Alchemy Gothic in any newer episode, I'd be flipping out in the best way.
The original and first Gothic Novel was The Castle of Otranto by Horace Walpole way back in 1764 and was a Gothic horror. Then in 1818 Mary Shelly created a shuft in the genre with Frankenstein by making the villain a physical embodiment of human folly brought to life through science. Before this, the villain was usually an evil man or a supernatural creature. Edgar Allen Poe wasn't until 1840 when he wrote his first book of short fiction, Tales of the Grotesque and Arabesque. However it's said that his first story was Metzengerstein written in 1832, a Gothic tale of a family feud.
I also find it odd that Poe is credited as a Goth writer (even though his stories are pretty dark) when in reality all he wanted to do was write for the local paper, he just happened to have a niche/talent for writing horror.
And then there’s Polidori’s The Vampyre in 1819 and Sheridan Le Fanu’s Carmilla serving as the prototypical vampire fiction.
@@moyase420 ooh I did not know about that one thank you
@BrightWulph yeah I'd more so call him a horror author not a Goth writer, his stories were more on the horror side not that Gothic Macabre like Frankenstein and others
I've wanted someone to touch on this so badly in the Fandom. The goths deserve better recognition
Also the goth subculture is music based. Mostly post punk and nu wave music.
Dark New Wave too, more like The Cure less Frankie Goes to Hollywood
The first time I saw the goth kids I just about died laughing, because they are PERFECT. Me and my friends spent far too much time in Denny's chugging coffee and chain-smoking back in the day.
It’s weird because South Park made fun of goths, but also made them really awesome. I really respect South Park’s portrayal of counter cultures like goths, because I used to be a Metal Head in High School.
legit most of us took on the goth side after getting severely bullied for our looks; without it, instead of getting "satan" shouted at us, we get "fatty, pimples", etc.
I was called “gloom and doom”, or “Dour Dora”. Also, I love your work!
@@princessmarlena1359 awe, thank you fellow goth! 🤗
I hate that shit. My wife is a Wiccan and I'm a Jew. I believe that everyone is beautiful because they were designed in G-d's image. She believes that doing good deeds for no other reason than it's the right thing to do is the key to true happiness. She's a white magic practitioner.
The goths are like one of my favorite South Park characters I just find them awesome also micheal saying no way just makes me laugh everytime
Really liked the episodes that involve these guys. And the fact they still interact with Stan and Butters. The dance crew episode, the breast cancer awareness month episode, the vampire kids episode, even the Coon trilogy even though Kenny/Mysterion sought them out. Can't tell who's the best one, they're all great in their own way. And the best time we see them is Goth Kids 3, which is one of my favorite episodes.
Matt & Trey love The Cure, they are basically Goths themselves
I'd find the Goth kids are the most underrated characters in South Park
"You kill the head vampire"
Kitty: "Misses Claus?!?!"
Me: "Ha I see what you did there Miss Monk, 10 points to your house".
I love the Goth kids South Park intro specially made for the episode Goth Kids 3 Dawn of the Posers.
I wish we'd get more episodes of South Park that focus on the side characters. Like Red or Annie for example. They've been there since season 1 and we still barely even know them.
Before even watching, I remember the line: "Goths think there's something truly fundamentally wring with the world, Emos think there's something truly fundamentally wrong with themselves." And Edgar Allan slaying me with "You're not the prime minister of Me!"
No, the most important thing is not literature. Gothic literature is Gothic literature, not Goth literature. The music is the most important thing such as Goth Rock, Post-Punk, Darkwave etc etc. That's what separates the goths from the emos. Also, the way the Goth kids call everyone a poseur confuses me because the Goth subculture (and many other subcultures such as Punk) usually uses that word to describe someone who tries to be Goth but clearly isn't, therefore they're a poseur. If someone isn't trying to be a Goth in the first place, what are they a poseur of?
I think in South Park they mean the other people are posing fake happiness and fake lives
It's irritating to hear that dark literature is important when the requirement to be a goth is to enjoy music under the goth umbrella. It's a music subculture.
A lot of people think Danny Elfman is goth but he never had anything to do with that subculture, he’s just a punk who happens to like skulls and be obsessed with death and sing the voice of Jack Skellington.
I wish there were more goth kids episodes
It was "The Count of Monte Cristo", written by French novelist Alexandre Dumas, who also wrote "The Three Musketeers".
18:32
The Count Of Monte Cristo?
Yo, girl, keep it together. I knew you would come far.
It pains me when people call goths emos as a former goth kid.
The first gothic novel was 'The Castle of Otranto'
Ill check it out
Ill check it out
I actually was inspired to become goth because of the goth kids! The music they listened to from the stick of truth made me start listening to goth music like The Cure, Siouxsie and the banshees, Bauhaus, bands like that. While gothic is the love of the macabre and darker stuff, Goth is about the music and politics, South Park actually put in goth music and made their OWN goth music, making one that sounds like A Forest. The explanation, goths think the world is messed up and emos think they're messed up, its kinda true- but the actual difference would be the music since both emo and goth are music :)
My personal favorite characters of the series
haha if I remember correctly in one of the directors commentary for raisins, Trey has shared an experience where a goth came up to him and thanked him for the episode where they differentiate emo and goth 😂
What fun timing! I just watched the Fern / edgar allan poe episode for the first time earlier today. Always loved the goths kids.
matt and trey loveeeeeeeee the cure i think theyre a little goth at heart
I love this!!! The Goths are my faves. I am part of a trio of Goths with my friends. Also The Cure is good.
SP goth kids actually introduced me to goths and their music. I thought goths are sorta sympho metal fans before them.
And goth kids is the reason I love SP tbh.
Love goth kids!
Just want to say that the darker background colour really makes your avatar pop a lot more, it just feels more fitting..... that's just me of course.
I always loved the goth kids in south park, they really are an amazing description of the subgenre x)
I love your goth voice so much I laughed every time you said “Ohmygod no waaaay!” 😂
8:02 When my friends and I first saw this episode back when it came out they were so obsessed with the getting served thing. I guess getting served isn't really a thing anymore but back then oh my God the obsession was real. Getting served had to do with being shown up at dancing but they would use it for everything like if we were talking shit to each other and totally won an argument and would say that I got served or we got beaten in a video game and they'd say I got served It's like what the hell
That's cool to know that they wrote goth kids so well. I mean I had a feeling they did but the honest truth is I've never been goth so there's a chance that I just simply thought they did it right. I wish my wife would be in the South Park because she could be a potentially good judge of it. She likes hanging out with that kind of crowd I mean I don't think they were like as hardcore as it was mostly nerds but she did like hanging out with that kind of proud. I myself am a nerd but I just have never been gone.
Actually what's strange is I've grown to appreciate them more because I think the style and how they dress is just really cool. But when I was a teenager for some reason I kind of had a problem with them and maybe it has to do with me actually generalizing goths as emos back in the day without realizing that there's actually a distinction or a difference so I don't know.
This show is why I got into the goth scene. They’re super spot on with their characters and portraying different subcultures
The only thing I didn’t like about the goths was the mention of Sunny Day Real Estate in the emo episode because they’ve never really been a trendy band. They’re seen as the originators of emo music, but the main kind of people I see being into them are hipsters.
I've seen mid-00s emo kids attend SDRE shows, but yeah a big frustration in the emo crowd is how the pop-punk emo kids from the mid-00s took over the scene from the late 90s post-hardcore and midwest/indie-rock emo scene. However, a lot of the emo revival bands I listen to are more in line with that midwest emo sound.
They aren't the originators. That would be Rites of Spring
Mint berry crunch became a ruthless tyrant. @Kitty Monk I would pay for a cameo but you gotta sing happy birthday in the goth voice, and say “No Way!” after the word birthday. Not sure if you will do that
I don’t mind doing it, the goth voice is hilarious!
as a goth, couldn't agree more!
what's sad is I knew Vamp kids back in the 90s.
he was my age and forever bumming smokes, would tell everyone he's 365 years old.
I'm like if you're that old and still bumming smokes, and as broke as you are. Then you are the worst and dumbest Vampire ever.
Again, the South Park goth kids are genuinely my favorite representation in media
a fun fact about the vampkids is that it actually correlates with the history of the subculture, during the 90s the "mall goths" were like the amp kids they also gressed in black cosplayed goths and hung around malls to scare people, and because of the christian paranoia alot of parents got scared thinking it was satanic and thhnkinig theyre actually dangerous wich actually put alot fo goth kids in danger as parents and schools started to take action against them so it makes sense, it makes you think about how much matt and trey actually know stuff abou it and lived through it not being goth themselves
I love that kitty monk said that she relates to Lydia deetz because I in a very weird way really relate to Beetlejuice it's like they read my diary and made a character out of it
I'm goth and I fucking love them. It's great that Matt and Trey definitely understood the assignment when it comes to the music, that was the first thing I noticed about the goth kids. Music is what makes the subculture and I hate when people forget that fact.
Haha.. what a great play on invasion of the body snatchers. 😅🎉
We have a few Perkins in Nebraska too! Used to have 2 in Lincoln...one closed, was tore down and replaced with a Chick-fil-A, second was closed just before covid. A new one was built a couple years ago off one of the interstate exits
I didn't know you could make this many videos about south park but yet you're here, amazing😁
As someone who only wears black, love the goths.
I only wear black ⚫️ because I hate separating clothes for the laundry. + that 1 Johnny Cash song.
I loved the song playing when they burn down Hot Topic, mostly because it was so close to some of my favorite goth music it could be slipped in as a parody and blend in seamlessly.
I remember someone saying something like "it's not about non-conforming, it's about confroming to something your parents don't like"
i like how they rightfully made fun of all gothic subcultures in south park
I have questiones about the plants, how did the reality show convince Henry ettas parents to send her there? How did they trick Henry etta into thinking she was an emo? If they were only pranking the one guy (who essentially thought he was betraying humanity) why didn't they use a child actor instead of a real Goth... and did the gardener guy think he was betraying man and woman kind?
Don't forget when Robert Smith walked off into the horizon in "Mecha-Streisand" and Kyle yells, "Disintegration is the best album ever!" Trey was a huge fan of The Cure when he was in high school.
One of these days, whenever I can go back to QXT's, I'll need to badger one of the DJs into playing "Burn Down Hot Topic".
I feel like Pete living in a trailer is a nod to Nancy Downs from The Craft.
It makes me feel old how vividly I remember when this episode first aired and how seen I felt by the depiction of the goth kids
Not surprising. South Park is usually pretty accurate with how they portray different groups of people. Just because it’s an inappropriate adult cartoon doesn’t mean they don’t do their research.
I'm totally convinced that Trey and Matt were Goths at some point, I mean, c'mon their favorite album is Disintegration and they really wanted Robert Smith in their show. No one can convince me otherwise
In the event that no one has said which book you were talking about, it is probably the Count of Monte Cristo. There is a very beautiful animation that is a retelling of the story in a fun sort of sci-fi like way called Gankutsuo. Highly recommend, if only for the interesting use of texture and just how pretty everything looks.
It is really good that South Park was a series that actually did their research and understood the goth culture. Then making the continuing point of the fact that they are not interchangeable with emo and vampire cultures. With the world of South Park reflecting the misjudgment and misconceptions of goth culture with the previously mentioned cultures above. Not only the point made through the show but even in their video game adaptations do so as well. Stick of Truth and even the DLC of Fractured but Whole with Henrietta as an ally. I had goth friends back in high school and even in college who said that they enjoyed the goth kids in the show. I remember even reading that one of the duo creators of South Park had been approached and thanked by a goth for the portrayal and point out that goth culture isn’t just the clothes, makeup, and fashion (which it isn’t just dressing like a goth to be goth).
Rage.
Fury.
Irritation.
Humiliation.
I just remember seeing a coheed and cambria sign in Henrietta’s room and immediately going “yep, nailed it”. Love C&C
I was expecting Kitty Monk to wear a black robe for this one.
Trey Parker's favourite band is The Cure, so he knows about the subculture
the count of monte cristo is the name you couldnt think of kitty
I laughed my ass off in the Goth Kids 3 episode. And when one of the Goth kids said "OMG you are Emo!"
The only book about a mansion that I can think of that might fit is called the Fall of the House of Usher. An Edgar Allen Poe story
It’s funny, I kind of had the opposite reaction. I knew a couple “goth kids” in high school and while they enjoyed dark literature (so do I…hp lovecraft has been my favorite horror author for 20 years…recently joined by junji ito) and were fluent in both sarcasm and nihilism, they weren’t head over heels different from the rest of us. They were mostly confused high school kids trying to make their way in a new reality in which everyone was trying on new “identities” to see what fit. In my estimation, South Park took that culture and distilled it down to its essence…much like they did with the PC frat guys, garrison as trump and basically everyone else they lampoon. That’s a good thing though…there’s a time and a place for nuance and in the world of South Park, that mostly exists in overarching “moral” of any given episode as opposed to the characters themselves.
They nailed the clothes and the bands for sure ! When that first goth saga episode first aired, I laughed my balls off when I saw the “Skippy Puppy” (referencing irl industrial act Skinny Puppy) and “blauhaus” (obviously spoofing Bauhaus) poster on Henrietta’s wall!
As for the attitude, I’d say the goth circles I move in act more like the vampire kids, waxing pretentious about “we are very thpiritual beings per se” 😂
You Got F'd in the A lol
My first new season of South Park
18:30 I believe the book you're thinking of is 'The Castle of Otranto' by Horace Walpole, written in 1764.
4:03 Oh shit, I just realized how fucked up riot is, by using the Dance from the Goth Kids for his Amumu Skin EMUmu... so yeah the Goth Dance for the Emo Amumu Skin xD
Having a goth spinoff would be so fun. They are the best gang apart from the main 4 boys. Kenny is just the coolest dude.
As a trad goth I really wish you went more into detail about goth music. It's literally impossible to be goth and not listen to goth music, it's like the metalhead subculture, how you can't be a metalhead without listening to metal. The goth scene started in the 80s and it sparked from bands like Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Joy Division, The Cure, etc. Music has always been the most important element and defining aspect of the scene since it started, it has always been about the music. The fashion is also important, don't get me wrong, but listening to goth music is what makes you goth, not dressing gothic. You don't just put an outfit together and now you're goth, you really just have to know the history, the bands, the songs, etc.
I was a goth in high school, black lipstick girls in fishnets and corsets as far as the eye could see
They basically worship the cure lol they're familiar
Goth Kids 3 missed its deadline by a week. Yet it feels more like it's stuck in 2007 with the emo stuff!
The emos like Fall Out Boy, but it was made in the year that Fall Out Boy went pop. Not pop-punk, but full-on pop.
There should be more episodes that focuses on the Goth Kids and use the Goth Kids version of the South Park opening.
I remember when I was young... funny thing is some elder goths apparently call initiates "Baby Bats", which is oddly appropriate given my username. My "Goth Name" was "Thorn", by the way.
I promptly cast it aside once I realized how cringey it was. Anyway, I still consider myself goth to this day, and I've always liked the goth kids in South Park. If you can't laugh at yourself, then you should probably lighten up. No one is above criticism and mockery, so I take the jokes in stride.
18:40 The Count of Monte Cristo.
It's easy to remember if you pair it mentally with the Monte Cristo sandwich.
I'm very late here, and someone might have already answered- but I think the original gothic novel you're talking about is Castle of Otranto :)
I never thought Kitty would reference Heathers
These goths are the best representation because they are actually goths. They listen to goth music. The bar is that low for me to be satisfied.
Yeah NGL I had a knee-jerk reaction when KittyMonk said that the most important thing about goth subculture was the literature when it's about the MUSIC first and foremost.
Some things about mainstream interpretation of goth will never change, which is a shame because Trey and Matt clearly understand/respect post-punk, goth rock, and darkwave music - but a lot of people outside of the scene won't notice those details. 🙃
Nice segue into the ad at least it worked
they are my favorite characters :3 especially henrietta
also you only need to listen to goth music to be goth
The south park goths are what introduced me to gothic culture and I've been a goth for years now and let me tell ya THE EMOS ARE INVADING EVERYWHERE
“Any part of Arizona outside of the Grand Canyon”
As a native Tucsonian, ouch
I have never seen the episode with the vamps. Is it explained why they drink Clamato Juice rather than V8 or anything without the clam?
The vamp kids are actually scene kids XD
One of the creators, can't remember who, is a massive The Cure fan and Robert Smith even appeared in an episode
I was this many days old when I found out Perkins is a chain that still exists more than a decade after my local one in PA closed.