Guitar Burst - The Easy Method, Using Water-Based Dyes
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Very helpful, I'm 75 and a hobbyist luthier, Trying my hand a Burst Dying.
Thanks, @Bill Throne. Water dies are great and very forgiving. You can fix pretty much any mistake, or change your mind. I am currently finishing a sunburst Les Paul, and I am quite happy with the result. Hope to have the video up soon. Cheers
I learned something today. I'm a newbie at this and not afraid to try it. Thanks for the expert tips
This is a really smart way for me to not mess up my build. Thanks!
"Easy" is exactly what I need at this point. Thank you.
This was very informative. That sunburst is looking beautiful!
I've done one burst, I used blue fountain pen ink for the centre section, then taped off an outline and sprayed solid black automotive acrylic for the outer edge, then, removing the newspaper and tape from the blue centre section, feathered in a black to the blue transition with an airbrush. Worked well, and came out very nice for my first try, but the next one I'm doing is a brown to yellow burst with rit dye on a Jazz Bass to try and mimic the early fender two-tone bursts
Sounds great, but a lot of complex work. Rit (or other water-based) dyes are fairly easy to work with..
@@yoavbinyamini thanks for the feedback Yoav! I'm currently going through the process of practising the rit dye method. I plan on dying, then sealing with a sanding sealer, getting that smooth then applying a wipe on poly finish :)
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I learned something new ! That’s awesome ! You really put a lot of effort and thought into your videos
I've been looking for exactly this before I attempt my first graded staining like this. Thanks
I’m impressed with your work
Looking into building a sunburst strat, I found this video very helpful!!
Wow, came out really great. Thanks for sharing this!
That's great,' thanks for the comment, and you are very welcome 🙏
This is great stuff. Even if I don't build guitars, it does give one a better appreciation for the craft.
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I love this site. I am learning so much
Thank you for putting this together! Exactly what I was looking for while I'm struggling to get results I like on my first build ever.
TheElectricLuthier
5 months ago
Thanks, @Mariano Rozanski , 🙏 .Good luck with the build
I may be using the wrong products because my black and yellow get a strong green hue when they blend. I’ll try to make this work somehow because I already used my budget on these before finding your video. Using Minwax water based true black (solid) and lemon yellow (semi transparent). I was hoping to get just yellows and blacks.
On mahogany
Not sure why you are getting a green hue, but dyes look and behave a little differently on different types of wood. It' always best to test it on a scrap peice.
@@theelectricluthier1928 Gotcha, Thanks. So I ordered some of the dyes you use. I ended up with a color I like. My new problem is, as I am applying a top coat of Shellac, with a brush, it's dissolving the dye leaving ugly marks on each stroke. 😢Doing some research, I found a few options I have to try. Spraying the first coat of shellac (instead of using a brush) may work. Or, maybe I can find a water based poly spray. I only have experience finishing with Shellac and I like the outcome. What do you coat your dyes with?
You helped settle a few decisions for my for my upcoming first build. Cheers! 👍
Thanks,🙏. Glad I can help
Thanks for the video. Very informative and puts me in an experimental mood!
An experimental mood is what it's all about. Most of us are building guitars for the fun of it, and that's why I build a completely different guitar every time instead of trying to perfect one type. This way I get to learn and make new mistakes every time, and you may just benefit from it too 😉
This is the video i have been searching for. Thank you @!
And I put it right there for you @Emre Tamer 😆. Thanks🙏
Thanks for the ideas. I build acoustic but some things are common to each so it will be nice to have your channel as a source of ideas.
Thanks, @R Michael Boyer. 🙏 I usually tip my hat to the acoustic builder for the skill and methodology of it. The principles of building the neck, fretting, and general finishes are quite similar and will surely translate from electric to acoustic. A hollow-body electric is really not that different from an acoustic guitar, with the added complexity of the electric parts.
@@yoavbinyamini exactly. A hollowed body electric is essentially the same as the acoustic version. Honestly, they are totally compelling once you start and anyone with the fitting tools and plenty of patience especially the willingness to build a jig that will give you a symmetrical body and a jig that will allow for perfect neck alignment can certainly build one without the need for a kit.
Great video. Just what I was looking for. Thank you much.
The Bible is truth.
Please read Genesis Mathew and one you chose yourself. It’s an important milestone to hit. As well as the inner work of forgiveness as an adult. Start with your parents, they’ve loved you. To be forgiven we must forgive. It’s an important show of faith to God. Forgiveness shows love is in your heart. Faith isn’t belief alone, it’s actions based on belief. Genuinely putting Jesus Christ’s lessons into practice in your life.
Please trust me.
Break down before Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness.
Jesus Christ is the way truth and life’
Awesome video and thanks for this… it’s very helpful!!!
Quite informative and nice work as well.
Great video!!! I ve been looking for this for a lonfgtime
Thanks, 🙏. A funny thing, I've been meaning to this for a long time. I don't want to spill the beans, but there is a Les Paul deserving a nice burst coming in the future...
Awesome video man just what i was looking for 👍 you did a killer job on this all the way around thank you
Thanks @Tyler Parker , 🙏 appreciate it.
The Bible is truth.
Please read Genesis Mathew and one you chose yourself. It’s an important milestone to hit. As well as the inner work of forgiveness as an adult. Start with your parents, they’ve loved you. To be forgiven we must forgive. It’s an important show of faith to God. Forgiveness shows love is in your heart. Faith isn’t belief alone, it’s actions based on belief. Genuinely putting Jesus Christ’s lessons into practice in your life.
Please trust me.
Break down before Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness.
Jesus Christ is the way truth and life’
Excellent info, thank you!
great video! learned a lot. Thank you!
Great job.
Great video, thanks for the clear speaking and clear explanations
Thanks,🙏
The Bible is truth.
Please read Genesis Mathew and one you chose yourself. It’s an important milestone to hit. As well as the inner work of forgiveness as an adult. Start with your parents, they’ve loved you. To be forgiven we must forgive. It’s an important show of faith to God. Forgiveness shows love is in your heart. Faith isn’t belief alone, it’s actions based on belief. Genuinely putting Jesus Christ’s lessons into practice in your life.
Please trust me.
Break down before Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness.
Jesus Christ is the way truth and life’
Excellent tutorial !!!
Thanks,🙏
Thanks for sharing this, I'm just starting a build and will try the Rit dyes. I'm also a subscriber now...
The Bible is truth.
Please read Genesis Mathew and one you chose yourself. It’s an important milestone to hit. As well as the inner work of forgiveness as an adult. Start with your parents, they’ve loved you. To be forgiven we must forgive. It’s an important show of faith to God. Forgiveness shows love is in your heart. Faith isn’t belief alone, it’s actions based on belief. Genuinely putting Jesus Christ’s lessons into practice in your life.
Please trust me.
Break down before Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness.
Jesus Christ is the way truth and life’
Thank you!
Very helpful, thank you 🙏
Thank you for this!
Excellent instruction. Thank you so much.
Thank you kindly 🙏
The Bible is truth.
Please read Genesis Mathew and one you chose yourself. It’s an important milestone to hit. As well as the inner work of forgiveness as an adult. Start with your parents, they’ve loved you. To be forgiven we must forgive. It’s an important show of faith to God. Forgiveness shows love is in your heart. Faith isn’t belief alone, it’s actions based on belief. Genuinely putting Jesus Christ’s lessons into practice in your life.
Please trust me.
Break down before Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness.
Jesus Christ is the way truth and life’
Very helpful! Thanks!
Thanks,🙏.
Awesome!
Many thanks! I have subscribed.
Very good video.
Great video. thank you
I like dyed bursts better than most of the sprayed ones, as the latter regularly show sharp color edges instead of the smooth transit a dyed burst allows. Thnaks for the very detailled tutorial! 👍
Thanks,🙏. I totally agree about the smooth transitions. I am planning to show it on a proper maple in the near future. Maybe a 59ninsh Les Paul...
Very good man
Great video
Very Very good!🇧🇷 Grateful 🇧🇷
Thank you, 🙏 I appreciate it
Thank you
Great video, thank you my friend. Have you ever used the Rit color fixative?
Very informative video, I am currently working on a guitar using the Rit dyes on poplar but I am finding some spots don't seem to take the dye even if I rough sand them with 80 or 120 grit.
Dyes have their limitations and the quality of the wood also plys a big part. Lower grade timber may have some blochy areas where the due doesn't absorb well. That what happens when working with natural materials.
This looks like a great way to get great results without expensive, dangerous lacquer based products. I once stained and refinished a pawnshop Les Paul using shades mixed from my wife’s food coloring dyes. For top coating I used Testor’s Model Master Glosscote from the local hobby shop. It was my first refinish job and it came out great. I can’t wait to try this out on my next project!
Nice..Thanks
Excellent, thanks for your advice, aniline dyes are no't easy to get in Indo but Rit is available, and I had wondered about using their products and suitability. 👍🏽
Thanks,🙏. The combination of availability and the relatively forgiving nature of water-based dies is a big win in my view. 🙂
this is great. can you wait for the water absed dyes to cure then add Tru oil finish over to give a final finish ? i cant spray laquer no facilities to do this ! thanks
How would you go about doing a cobra burst on quilted maple with water based dyes? I would really like to try doing so. Also what do you recommend for a gloss clear coat?
The best vidéo !
TheElectricLuthier
7 months ago
Thanks,🙏.
what kind of polish we suppost to use on this paint for liddle bit shine and life?
Great video! Thinking of trying this on my first build. Will the stain hide or highlight the lines in a 2 or 3 piece body?
As a general rule stains are quite neutral and subtle as far as hiding or highlighting. They just give color. Oils and clear coats tend to give more contrast to the wood texture and if you are trying to hide anything, flat and dark colors will do that. However, darker stains on more absorbent woods may also bring out the grain pattern on certain woods and especially if not sanded to a high grit. If you are going for a 2-3 piece body, just try to pick the pieces which will look best next to each other, either by flowing together or working together in some other way like book matching.
I like how you used the separate pieces of wood to demonstrate how it's done. I think i'll practice with a few planks myself before i try my first paint job. I'm really wanting to do a ghost burst. Something that that starts as a soft, ghostly white and gradually fades to black at the edges.
By the way. I really don't want the grain to show through. Is it ok if i apply a primer first?
Real eye opener, I would never have thought of using a water base dye for guitar finishing! Would you recommend applying some kind of sealer after getting the desired color? Then what type of gloss finish would you recommend applying to protect the finish?
Thanks @Mark Bragg, if you are using a non-water-based finish you don't really need a sealer. You can apply anything from polyurethane to more professional 2-part epoxies (and I use the term loosley). It depends on the equipment you have. The ones that harden will be easier to sand and polish but will require a good spray gun and preferably a clean booth. Multiple layers of polyurethane with ample drying time will require a lot more attention and elbow grease to get similar results. (but still beautiful guitars). I would take a few pieces of scrap wood and do some testing if I wanted to be sure..
great vids
Thanks for a great video! Do you reccomend these dyes over powder based analine dyes? If so, why? Also, it appears you’re using them straight out of the bottle without diluting. Is that Correct? If that’s the case, how would you achieve different shades of blue if you wanted to do multiple blues blended together? Thanks
Thanks, @Tzuf Family Band , 🙏. Sadly I am not familiar with the analine dyes yet. The Rit dyes come quite thin so there is really no need to dilute them. I may be wrong' but from my experience, it's not enough to dilute a color to get another shade. You need to mix it with a different shade, otherwise, it just gets pale and not lighter. black or white to really make a difference. If you have a very light blue and a very dark blue, you can achieve the full range between them. You can always add a bit of red to get more purple, some yellow to have more green in the blend, or just a touch of black for a darker version.
Hope that helps
Yoav
Awesome. Could you possibly do a video on a black widow burst?
Interesting using RIT .... I used it on leather but sheds when wet...
BTW I tried a Burnt Sienna Burst years ago on one of my Strats and like you I went too much over the edges... didn't allow much the yellow outside the pickguard... i lacquered it clear b4 noticing... Cheers
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Came for the info stayed for that voice. You sound like my old rebbe or something 😂🤟love it. Amazing technique too I’m def going to try this. I don’t have tru oil but do have boiled linseed oil which I hope might work so I’ll try doing a test with that and see.
Thanks,🙏.@Terror Birds. Like many people, I do find my own recorded voice odd. Linseed should work as well. Try and build it up with multiple applications. It works great with 'True oil' and gives a very natural sheen.
Can I apply nito laquer finish after water based stain ?
Could I use "Water Based Wipe On Guitar Finishing Lacquer" after staining the guitar?
Or would the stains get destroyed?
Chances are, anything water-based will not just be 'Wipe On', but wipe down. You can spray anything on, but if you are using anything water-based, be sure to first seal it with a proper sealer, so you don't end up smudging your design. In any case, I would test it on a piece of scrap, just to be sure. There are more combinations and finishes than I can try out myself.
This is beautiful work. But if you then wanted to finish the body with a clear sprayed lacquer, what cleaning liquid (or method) would you use to wipe the body clear of grease and fingerprints prior to spraying? If you used white spirit/methylated spirit would this not dilute and/or break up the dye finish?
I've just stained a flamed Maple guitar body using water-based Rit Dye in Indigo. The final coat went on a week back so is fully dry. The finish and colour is lovely, and something I'm keen to not affect at all. However, a tiny splash of water landed on the body (~1mm round), I wiped it off quickly, but it still affected the finish in that tiny spot. My concern now is that I need to remove all the grease and fingerprints before spraying on the lacquer, but if I use any form of liquid this will ruin the finish.
Anyone got any ideas as to what's the best approach in these circumstances?
[I did look into using Tru Oil (and similar products) and tried them on a test piece of wood I'd also dyed to check on the likely finish, and this gave everything a noticeable and wholly undesirable yellowed hue.]
The Bible is truth.
Please read Genesis Mathew and one you chose yourself. It’s an important milestone to hit. As well as the inner work of forgiveness as an adult. Start with your parents, they’ve loved you. To be forgiven we must forgive. It’s an important show of faith to God. Forgiveness shows love is in your heart. Faith isn’t belief alone, it’s actions based on belief. Genuinely putting Jesus Christ’s lessons into practice in your life.
Please trust me.
Break down before Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness.
Jesus Christ is the way truth and life’
Great video - at last I’m going into the workshop to try this out!
Before I start, quick question - do you use any fillers or sanding sealer and if so would that be before or after the dye?
Thanks, @CoRFO. 🙏Fillers are mostly for defects, scratches, and bumps. The dye will not hide them so if they don't match the wood' they will show up. If you are going for an ultra-smooth finish, especially if going for a high gloss, you will need a grain filler. sanding sealers work better for opaque colors. In all cases, you will want to apply them before the stain, as they require a lot of sanding,and you may damage the stain
@@yoavbinyamini much appreciated. I will try on scrap timber first. Thank you.
@@yoavbinyamini much appreciated - I can’t wait to see the results!
The Bible is truth.
Please read Genesis Mathew and one you chose yourself. It’s an important milestone to hit. As well as the inner work of forgiveness as an adult. Start with your parents, they’ve loved you. To be forgiven we must forgive. It’s an important show of faith to God. Forgiveness shows love is in your heart. Faith isn’t belief alone, it’s actions based on belief. Genuinely putting Jesus Christ’s lessons into practice in your life.
Please trust me.
Break down before Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness.
Jesus Christ is the way truth and life’
Do they make a gloss finish and if they do will it work the same way could you make a video of how to gloss a guitar
To get the factory-quality gloss, you really need a good spray gun and go through lots of buffing. Major companies spend upwards of half an hour buffing on a big wheel. I've gone through the process of creating a gloss finish in my Orengina build (parts 7 and 8). Here's a quick link ruclips.net/video/aECgrSRd-5M/видео.html&ab_channel=TheElectricLuthier
Hey do you offer your services for painting? I have a guitar I'd like to get repainted like this
Are these applied to raw wood or has it had a sanding sealer first? Thanks!
I didn't apply sanding sealer + it's pine, so just raw sanded wood. If you want to apply sanding sealer or grain filler do it before the stain otherwise you may end up sanding the stain off...
Does anyone know why it is called a tobacco sunburst, I can understand the sunburst part but what does tobacco have to do with it?
Sir, what is now your new video?
I wish you can make another technique to build guitar.
can you spray lacquer over the top, or do they need sealed first?
A water-based lacquer will reactivate the dyes and mess up your tint. An oil-based lacquer shouldn't.
Yoav would this work over an existing clear nitro lacquer finish?
No! Dyes, and especially water-based will only work on raw wood Any coating or oil will need to be stripped and/ or sanded completely.
Does this work with mahogany?
Hi, to make the traditional amber yellow from fender, would it be yellow + red or yellow + brown?
Hey @Jairo Rocha Guitars, depending on the shade of your wood, it should be mostly yellow. If your wood is very light in color it may be a bit too 'lemony' so you can darken it with a touch of black. a small amount of red will make it deeper but will soon tint it to a more orange hue. Try it on some scrap first with clean rags for every new variation you try. Cheers 🙂
@@theelectricluthier1928 Thanks 👍🏻
Do you use grain filler or/and sanding sealer?
I didn't in this case, but I think I would use the grain filler\ sanding sealer, before the dye. I think the extra sanding will 'fade' the colors.
I just tried your method and I'm ready to apply Tru Oil. How many coats would you apply and how long do you let each coat dry? Thanks!
Thanks, @Corey Hannah 🙏. When it comes to Tru Oil' the more coats you put on the more it will layer and look like 'coating'. You can get the benefits of the oil with 2-3 layers but I try to have 5-7 coats. With the first layer, the wood will always soak much of the oil. In the summer I will give about 24 hours between coats (maybe double for the first one) but when it's cold you want enough time to thoroughly dry. You want to remove access after applying and not try to cheat and make thicker layers' you will just end up with drippings and stickiness.
@@yoavbinyamini thanks for the reply. I added my first coat last night so your response was good timing. :)
One time I got a black body, set it upright, then held a can of yellow spray paint three feet away and let it rip. That was my first burst, it wasn’t great but it worked fairly well. Maybe I just got lucky.
Hey
Highlighted comment @bunsenn5064, whatever works is fine by me. I am just trying to get more control and consistency in the process. If it's a one-off and comes out fine, that's great. Cheers
@@yoavbinyaminiYeah I guess I got pretty lucky haha. It was my first time building a guitar and I didn’t know you were supposed to use ink for a burst. I guess it’s about time I actually learned how to do it the real way.
Can you also just spray clear coats on top of the colored wood?
You can and should. A clear coat will protect the colors and probably make them deeper as well. Just be careful if using anything water-based. It may smudge the dye. If using a spray can just start layering very thin coats one after the other. You can apply up to three coats a day, waiting for 15-20 between each one. Polyurethane will eventually need much longer to fully cure and in some cases doesn't really harden all the way.
@@yoavbinyaminithanks for this great video! How about nitrocellulose clear lacquer over the water base stain? Thank you.
What you put on when everything is dry? Nitro ?
Since these are water-based, you can finish them with any type of clear coat you choose. Polyurethane, Nitro, water-based, Laquer or oil. If you are using anything water-based, be sure to first seal it with a proper sealer, so you don't end up smudging your design.
@@yoavbinyamini Would Minwax Wipe-On Poly be a good option? How long should we allow the project to completely dry?
@@sunsetloungejc I haven't used Minwax myself, but it should be Ok if it's not water-based. I would test it before applying on my burst.
Is don't needed to apply water together?
Hi @Jonas Wellinghton, these dies come in liquid form and are quite thin. There is no need to add water. Cheers
Pine for a guitar body?
Harder pines are fine. The biggest tone influence is the pickups anyway.
I took a lot away from this video' thanks for sharing your knowledge' have you ever worked with unicorn spit water based stain ? cheers !
Thanks for the kind comment,🙏. Haven't had the chance to fiddle with the spit-based stains. With the state of unicorns, I prefer more ecological solutions. 😜
@@yoavbinyamini 😃
u got me when u said "Let's burst a guitar"
where are you from???
ISRAEL 🙂
I would like to repaint an acoustic guitar. Do you think that this method work well on that too?
It should work but take into account that the dyes look and behave a little differently on different types of wood. Also, you need to make sure to sand it thoroughly and that there is non of the previous lacquer or any other coating. The dye will not color those arias. I would do a few tests on a piece that resembles the same wood.
Good video but it's loads faster to do a burst outdoors with a few spray cans
Thanks. You are right, Spray cans will be quicker but are not nearly as forgiving as dyes and leave no room for mistakes.
This would have been a great video if the staining process wasn't warp speed. Slowing down the video while explaining what your doing would have been much more beneficial. At least to me. Thanks.
Thanks for the comment,🙏. I understand your point. Regardless of the speed, I tried to make the process as clear as I could and fairly easy to follow. There is no real step-by-step, linear process, and you do need some back and forth to get the hang of it. I think it would have been an excruciatingly long and boring video in real-time speed. I'll take it into account on future videos and maybe slow down critical parts of the process.
Then what? Clear coat? Oil?
A clear coat is the obvious, and traditional, choice. If planning to use any water-based coating it would be better to use some kind of sealer to prevent it from smudging. other than that most coatings should be fine. Anything from polypropylene, nitrocellulose, oil to epoxy or other two-part finishes.
@@yoavbinyamini I tried clear coating mine after dying..it just absorbs haha. I guess I'ma go with a brush on poly? It's my first Build, was going great till now hA
Opaque rhymes with snake.
I am the rando with very little equipment and zero painting skills. I might burst.
Guys , I like this guy but be aware that RIT has SALT in it . The salt will turn your hard ware to rust and I can tell you that depending on what finish your using the salt and dye will bleed out. It happened to me with poly acrylic and urethane finish
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play at 2x speed. thank me later.
Thanks,🙏. Not sure if you are implying the original is too slow, or if this is just for comedic effect. Anyway, I'll call this 'The caffeinated version'. 🤣
Ya...I'll stick with my spray guns
Then this video wasn't meant for you. You can move on and keep your snarky, elitist comments to yourself, ay? ;)
The Bible is truth.
Please read Genesis Mathew and one you chose yourself. It’s an important milestone to hit. As well as the inner work of forgiveness as an adult. Start with your parents, they’ve loved you. To be forgiven we must forgive. It’s an important show of faith to God. Forgiveness shows love is in your heart. Faith isn’t belief alone, it’s actions based on belief. Genuinely putting Jesus Christ’s lessons into practice in your life.
Please trust me.
Break down before Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness.
Jesus Christ is the way truth and life’
Great information. Thanks!
Thank for the comment 🙏