If you're a developer mac is so much faster to compile. It's not even close. It used to take me 23-25 mins to compile Hybris on a beefy gaming Windows machine, it's 3.5mins on M1 mac, 6 mins on Intel. Node frontend builds are much faster too. Worth the investment for that alone.
People been asking for a Windows version for almost year. And there's not even a Linux version! You could change the title to "The best editor that 95% of coders can't run". But looks very promising!
they're working on the linux version, you can actually compile a build for linux and it kinda works, it does crash from time to time but it's not horrible. would still use vscode for now though.
As much as I love the fact that we’re finally getting vscode competitors, I have to be kinda skeptic about how artificially limited Zed is. Closed source afaik, mac only and no extension api might seem like small inconveniences when the editor is brand new but it means that it will never really have a reason for it to be preferred over vsc for more than toy projects and lightweight file editing (that neovim with a gpu renderer like neovide already does better). However the native collaboration, gpu rendering and installing extensions and LSPs automatically when projects are opened are all really nice features. Wish they were attached to a more production ready editor
Yeah, I actually knew about Zed prior to this video. I watched hoping for something more I may not understand, but I ended up just thinking that I'm right where I should be with vim
You are wrong, though I hate the that it's mac only, but I tried it on my friends MacBook, and it's was fast and snappy, and it's supports auto complete, debugging, other basic lsp features, it's build using rust and tree sitter. It's having a memory footprint that vscode could only dream of. Yeah it's not a toy project.
even jetbrains is faster on a good machine.. basically zed is another one of those companies which will soon hang up a notice saying, we are stopping development because the vc money is over
@@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384 I do not believe this is true. Perhaps something that I wasn’t clear about in the video is that Zed is built by the same people as Atom, and they mean for Zed to be the successor to Atom. Thus, they have plenty of potential. Additionally, not everyone has a “good machine”… even some jb IDEs are decently slow on my Apple Silicon MacBook
@@oraz. well its ms, with their legions of fanboys, influencers and marketing money. whenever someone feels productive with copilot, I know I'm dealing with a 0.5x programmer because copilot can't do anything to help you with the actually difficult stuff.
One big missing feature right now is the git integration. I couldn't find my changed files, or some tool to resolve conflicts by looking at them side by side etc
I bought Sublime Text for 2 weeks. I like the speed and the design... The Interface GUI of sublime Text is closed source... I cant use that design in own projects. Now I try iced with Rust. The documentation of Iced is still empty...
Looks really nice, just one more question. Is it possible to auto upload on save using an FTP server? since currently that works flawlessly for me in VScode and is something i rely on for a lot of different tasks.
Yeah, the speed thing struck me too... If 350ms is fast then I don't know which adjective is suitable for Neovim. Not to mention that Neovim has potentially an infinite amount of more features with its plugin system. And it's cross-platform... And it's open-source... Even VScode has those things... Well, Zed is interesting in some ways, but it seems very far to be a viable alternative to anything at the moment.
@@LudoTechWorld Yes the only way VScode comes even close to neovim is due to the sheer amount of plugins it provides which will never be the case for Zed and in terms of speed it will also never be able to compete with Neovim so it is very far right now from finding a middle ground between these 2 metrics. Not to discredit that Neovim has a lot of plugins too now and they don't also effect the speed of the IDE due to lazy loading and well written lua scripts rather than using Node and Javascript. I did write my own plugin for neovim and honestly it was quite straightforward and works perfectly for me.
Zed always makes me a little sad because i'm hanging out for an editor that isn't built on electron and Zed seemed like exactly what i wanted but it's MacOS only. Still... nothing to do but wait I guess.
Yes it does have code recommendations! Both similar to intellisense and Copilot if you have it. Zed has nearly all features natively in VSCode and more!
there is like 1000000 videos on youtube talking about the "next ide, the vscode kiler, bla bla bla...." but are people really switching to those code editors ?
I did switch to Zed about 7 weeks ago :) I had a journey of Visual Studio -> JetBrains -> VS Code until this year. And then I started experimenting trying Neovim and Helix and some other options. Modal editors are cool and fun, but my wrists hurt terribly after just 3-4 days using neovim full time. Ergonomic keyboards didn't solve this problem for me, so I've resumed my search for a new editor. I did not want to go back to VS Code, just for the reason that I've already been there. So I came across Zed, tried it and loved it. My primary issues about Zed are: - No integration with test frameworks at the moment. - No debugger at the moment. - Automatic indentation is not convenient. It stubbornly adds offsets where they don't belong. But all of those are not show-stoppers for me. I rarely used debugger in VS Code (once in 2 months perhaps), so if I occasionally have to debug from console, it does not bother me at all.
I press command enter on my keyboard in the assistant panel and nothing happens, no text gets submitted and no response from the AI... I've added my gpt 4 api key etc..
@@TheBurntHoney I never understood why people want debuggers? I get it that it may be convinient sometimes, but the way I write code is so that if there is an error on production, I should be able to get all the information I need from the logs
If they get Linux support out, I will try it. Sounds Great, but without Linux or even Windows support, it's not that useful in a not mac exclusive Company. Not to mention the high cost of macs for individuals.
I've never clicked the dislike button in my whole RUclips career... What was that??? It has breadcrumbs as a feature??? And you didn't use it because you click on images and they don't open??? Not to forget it's MacOS only but of course why do we need to mention that of course everyone uses Mac
Mac only makes it completely a non starter for me. I don't waste my money on getting scammed for RAM. I have always done all my development on systems with at least 32 GB of RAM in eother Linux or Windows. And now with WSL developing on Windows is even easier. Sorry Zed, looks like I'll stick tk neovim on Linux and VScode on Windows.
@@evanzhoudev based on Stackoverflow suveys, Mac has the smallest user base among developers so making it Mac only severely limits the amount of exposure it can get.
Does the video even mention that Zed is MacOS only?
Standard Apple fanboys leaving that out.
I mean, if you use only 1 platform you tend to forget it.
And do you think the Linux community would allow that ?
@@Hideko12 ofc not lmfao
If you're a developer mac is so much faster to compile. It's not even close. It used to take me 23-25 mins to compile Hybris on a beefy gaming Windows machine, it's 3.5mins on M1 mac, 6 mins on Intel. Node frontend builds are much faster too. Worth the investment for that alone.
People been asking for a Windows version for almost year. And there's not even a Linux version! You could change the title to "The best editor that 95% of coders can't run". But looks very promising!
Yeah, I can't take a code editor seriously if it isn't cross-platform.
they're working on the linux version, you can actually compile a build for linux and it kinda works,
it does crash from time to time but it's not horrible.
would still use vscode for now though.
95%? Every company I've ever worked at as a software engineer was comprised of like 99% macbooks
Only for coders who can build from the source code, not for noobs
@@xObscureDarkness "You" have worked with 👌
Once there's Windows and/or Linux support, I'll for sure give it a try. My ass does not own a Mac though.
Exactly!!
It's out for Linux & can be built for Windows as of now
As much as I love the fact that we’re finally getting vscode competitors, I have to be kinda skeptic about how artificially limited Zed is. Closed source afaik, mac only and no extension api might seem like small inconveniences when the editor is brand new but it means that it will never really have a reason for it to be preferred over vsc for more than toy projects and lightweight file editing (that neovim with a gpu renderer like neovide already does better).
However the native collaboration, gpu rendering and installing extensions and LSPs automatically when projects are opened are all really nice features. Wish they were attached to a more production ready editor
Yeah, I actually knew about Zed prior to this video. I watched hoping for something more I may not understand, but I ended up just thinking that I'm right where I should be with vim
You are wrong, though I hate the that it's mac only, but I tried it on my friends MacBook, and it's was fast and snappy, and it's supports auto complete, debugging, other basic lsp features, it's build using rust and tree sitter. It's having a memory footprint that vscode could only dream of. Yeah it's not a toy project.
On github they said they have a project to make it open source soon.
It is open source now
it's opensource and Linux support is planned for this year
_Mac_Only_ needs to be prominently declared in the video right up front.
It's out for Linux & can be built for Windows as of now
Using an old Intel mac, god this editor is fast. Opens in seconds. Feels fluid, and had a built in CLI. I use it primarily for python.
There's also the beautiful lite-xl which is so lightweight that it can run on a calculator.
which is better? zed or this
Writing code : ❌
Me just yapping around this new code editor : ✅
Vim and Neovim are strangely missing from the speed comparison charts.
I think they’re referring to GUI editors, but of course vim and nvim are fast choices :)
@@evanzhoudev GVim exists and is a great choice if someone wants to use a GUI.
even jetbrains is faster on a good machine.. basically zed is another one of those companies which will soon hang up a notice saying, we are stopping development because the vc money is over
@@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384 I do not believe this is true. Perhaps something that I wasn’t clear about in the video is that Zed is built by the same people as Atom, and they mean for Zed to be the successor to Atom. Thus, they have plenty of potential. Additionally, not everyone has a “good machine”… even some jb IDEs are decently slow on my Apple Silicon MacBook
@@evanzhoudev isnt zed vc funded?
Multiplayer Collaboration looks good until you realize you need to run your code to test it
As a Vim user that know uses sublime text. I can say rhat sublime is better than most editors out there.
This.
I agree completely. It's weird how much it's ignored vs vscode.
@@oraz. well its ms, with their legions of fanboys, influencers and marketing money. whenever someone feels productive with copilot, I know I'm dealing with a 0.5x programmer because copilot can't do anything to help you with the actually difficult stuff.
There is no functions/methods browser (or known as outline in VS code). And is for Mac only. So, I still prefer VS code because I can use it.
One big missing feature right now is the git integration. I couldn't find my changed files, or some tool to resolve conflicts by looking at them side by side etc
I bought Sublime Text for 2 weeks. I like the speed and the design... The Interface GUI of sublime Text is closed source... I cant use that design in own projects. Now I try iced with Rust. The documentation of Iced is still empty...
Been using for a few months now... Missing quite a few things from vscode, but much better experience (reg lags, slowdowns)
I've compiled it on Windows, but I cannot change it to another project folder for some reason.
Looks really nice, just one more question. Is it possible to auto upload on save using an FTP server?
since currently that works flawlessly for me in VScode and is something i rely on for a lot of different tasks.
Not yet available! This ties into the whole extensibility thing :)
Is there any debugging, breakpoints, watches etc…?
Misleading title. I've heard of it (I wish it had something like a Flatpak for those poor GNU+Linux users).
Eww, flatpak
You are not everyone.
There is a Linux version now 😊
Neovim starts with 58ms and i have a large amount of plugins enabled so 😕
Yeah, the speed thing struck me too... If 350ms is fast then I don't know which adjective is suitable for Neovim. Not to mention that Neovim has potentially an infinite amount of more features with its plugin system. And it's cross-platform... And it's open-source... Even VScode has those things... Well, Zed is interesting in some ways, but it seems very far to be a viable alternative to anything at the moment.
@@LudoTechWorld Yes the only way VScode comes even close to neovim is due to the sheer amount of plugins it provides which will never be the case for Zed and in terms of speed it will also never be able to compete with Neovim so it is very far right now from finding a middle ground between these 2 metrics.
Not to discredit that Neovim has a lot of plugins too now and they don't also effect the speed of the IDE due to lazy loading and well written lua scripts rather than using Node and Javascript. I did write my own plugin for neovim and honestly it was quite straightforward and works perfectly for me.
Zed always makes me a little sad because i'm hanging out for an editor that isn't built on electron and Zed seemed like exactly what i wanted but it's MacOS only.
Still... nothing to do but wait I guess.
Cool font. What's its name?
How to see file changes in this? any idea how many file i have changed
everyone a gangster until vim like real monster arrives
I have tried this editor and this editor claims it is faster than Sublime text, but it is not. Sublime opens as quick as this editor if not faster
0.0001 of time spent is spent on opening…
not for windows? why we? 😢
it doesnt have code recommendation , am i right , it just provide syntax highlighting
Yes it does have code recommendations! Both similar to intellisense and Copilot if you have it. Zed has nearly all features natively in VSCode and more!
And how does the debugging and code execution work?
I don’t think there is debugging yet, but there is an integrated terminal, from which you can do nearly everything that’s missing :)
Could link or point out how to debug e.g Python Code using just the shell? I could find any straight forward instructions.
Well, I’m sure there are debugging CLIs, but you can just simply use print statements 😅
How is your Zed editor smooth scrolls? Mine just flicker jump, no animation at all when scrolling
Add “Paperclipping” to Your Dating Slang Lexicon
Without Emmet support, it's definitely not going to be a serious VS Code competitor.
Wtf only for mac os😢
Can you tell me the font name used in Vs code ? It looks great !
Monaspace Neon in VSCode, the font I use for editing (and the thumbnail) is FiraCode Nerd Font
Wake me up when it's open-source and doesn't require me buying apple hardware
there is like 1000000 videos on youtube talking about the "next ide, the vscode kiler, bla bla bla...." but are people really switching to those code editors ?
If you’d watched to the end, you’d know ;)
I did switch to Zed about 7 weeks ago :)
I had a journey of Visual Studio -> JetBrains -> VS Code until this year. And then I started experimenting trying Neovim and Helix and some other options. Modal editors are cool and fun, but my wrists hurt terribly after just 3-4 days using neovim full time. Ergonomic keyboards didn't solve this problem for me, so I've resumed my search for a new editor.
I did not want to go back to VS Code, just for the reason that I've already been there. So I came across Zed, tried it and loved it.
My primary issues about Zed are:
- No integration with test frameworks at the moment.
- No debugger at the moment.
- Automatic indentation is not convenient. It stubbornly adds offsets where they don't belong.
But all of those are not show-stoppers for me. I rarely used debugger in VS Code (once in 2 months perhaps), so if I occasionally have to debug from console, it does not bother me at all.
I press command enter on my keyboard in the assistant panel and nothing happens, no text gets submitted and no response from the AI... I've added my gpt 4 api key etc..
if you found out how to fix this please update it here, i am facing the same issue
And now it's open sourced!
No one cares, actually
@@hrqmonteiro lol, you have no idea.
That’s actually great, now just waiting for Linux support and I’d try it out! :)
Best editor with Exclusive OS not available for everyone, what a joke!
I wish it had a debugger
Could always be added in future updates!
@@evanzhoudev If they manage to implement it well i will probably use it as my daily driver.(I’m trying out anyway though).
@@TheBurntHoney I never understood why people want debuggers?
I get it that it may be convinient sometimes, but the way I write code is so that if there is an error on production, I should be able to get all the information I need from the logs
>only available on macOS
LMAO
Bro this vodeo was cool! Can you tell us what you use for editing the video and how do you syncronize the audio with the text?
Davinci resolve :)
@@evanzhoudev what sort of plugins do you use? Can you share your workflow?
Not for Windows?
If they get Linux support out, I will try it. Sounds Great, but without Linux or even Windows support, it's not that useful in a not mac exclusive Company. Not to mention the high cost of macs for individuals.
will it be available for windows?
I hope not. Love hearing broke windows users cry
@@namenlos4374 might be the dumbest comment i've read, my windows pc cost more than my m2 mac.
I think Zed isn't that capable to dethrone vscode as it still lacks windows and Linux support.
it not it is avavible now in linux
It's out for Linux & can be built for Windows as of now
It would've been nice to not waste my time if only the video started with "MAC ONLY"
Very depressing that it's only for Mac.
I'll continue using vim.
Welp I ditched vscode now
But only for mac
Switched from Atom to Zed right away after watching this... Atom is good, but it has always felt sluggish to me. Zed feels really snappy!
I just wish sublime text was better supported. I miss it
It's my main editor. I think it's pretty well supported. Updates keep coming and the popular plugins stay up to date too.
Does anyone know the VS Code theme used in the video ?
🙋♂️I know!
(One Dark Pro, my favorite theme and the only one I use!)
Ohh great is it a paid theme ?
Nope! (sorry for the late reply, I’m sure you’ve probably found out by now 😅)
@@evanzhoudev haha no worries 🤝
Does it have vim mode?
If not, its speed is worthless
It has vim mode built-in
it does
summoning salt?
Contains secret network code - no thanks
How to use lsp with with it?
I ckecked the Link -> Open Source and and Folder called .cargo --> Rust... The speed is no surprise, only Zig is faster but not better!
I've never clicked the dislike button in my whole RUclips career... What was that??? It has breadcrumbs as a feature??? And you didn't use it because you click on images and they don't open??? Not to forget it's MacOS only but of course why do we need to mention that of course everyone uses Mac
Is it not available on arch linux as zed-editor?
it is compiled for arch AUR, but support is not here yet. Package is just not woring as intended.
Summoning salt ahh song
**Talks in MacOS**
When Linux?
Looks like a great editor. But I can't help but think of "Zed is dead" -Kill BIll
its not even available for windows
no github integration to commit and push, that's a drawback currently
zed have a git menu similar to vscode?
No, unfortunately not… a feature I’m personally waiting for too! CLI is great for some things, but I prefer using GUI for commits and merging lol
@@evanzhoudev me too, i asked for the facility with merge conflicts or similar problems, but thx for the answer :)
When they start with “beautiful”, typical Apple fanboy characteriatic
OaaS, Optimisation as a Service
Speed ? Laughs in Notepad++
Mac only makes it completely a non starter for me. I don't waste my money on getting scammed for RAM. I have always done all my development on systems with at least 32 GB of RAM in eother Linux or Windows. And now with WSL developing on Windows is even easier. Sorry Zed, looks like I'll stick tk neovim on Linux and VScode on Windows.
Just give it some time. They really do plan to support other systems.
32GB?!
VSCode? Did you mean... FiasCode? 😎
As of today, only MacOs is supported.
How is it for Rust?
Probably because it's built in rust. Dogfooding and all that.
So basically this is barely fine until extensions arrive and it's macos only. Pass.
Too much drama. You never seen before? Sublime Text was doing pretty much same thing except the extensions weren't that good
Its a shame its MacOS only.
Mac only... how about you save us time and mention it at the beginning of the video?
Never, Vim is the best editor
Not cross-platform is a serious fail 😕
Does it support Linux? NO. Does it support extensions? NO.
VS Code it is.
It is not faster then neovim
MacOS only editor cannot be considered "best".
arent you the donut guy?, only problem is running and debugging
yep :)
What is the font in vscode at 1:00?
it should be one dark pro i suppose
SF Mono
I use Monaspace Neon now, switched from CascadyaCove :)
The best editor is neovim. Prove me wrong
Just use neovim and be happy
The best editor is neovim.
mac os required 😭
great video !
If is only for MacOS, then it is useless. The best OS today, especially for web developers is Windows 10, 11 with WSL.
I like sublime a lot more than vscode for these same reasons.
It's not Emacs, therefore it cannot be a good editor by definition.
Obviously it's mac only🔥
As a devoted Mac user, I’ve never seen a problem with Mac only apps 😅
@@evanzhoudev well I cant really use a Mac, and i don't understand why they used metal instead of vulkan, like metal isn't easier or anything
And also closed source as I can see.
@@evanzhoudev based on Stackoverflow suveys, Mac has the smallest user base among developers so making it Mac only severely limits the amount of exposure it can get.
@@eineatombombemetal is far easier than Vulkan when building on Mac.
< neovim
What is this 'MacOS' thing ? a closed-source distro? Would be great if could be used on a real OS
linux, linux, linux
This is extremely soydev coded
no thanks
vim is faster
MacOS only, so USELESS!