Still am a professor! Have won teaching awards... still no party invites. What's up now, Faptor? Where's the keen insight??!! I'm lonely, HELP! - Dr. Mike
@@RenaissancePeriodization Hey man I live way out in Iowa, your always invited to my parties though, just let me know if you’re ever in the area 😂 shoulda let me know about your party problem when I was living in Vegas!
@@RenaissancePeriodization what university do you teach at currently? I’m a senior in hs and the college I’m going to is dependent on your answer lol. Seriously who wouldn’t want you as a professor
This dude is beyond fantastic. His doctor-to-English translation is Hall of Fame stuff. And he uses the word "emo" in his lessons lol. Such a joy to listen to
Been watching Dr. Mike for a year and just started my first year of university… if profs taught like Mike, passing rate would be way higher. Explaining complex topics utilizing practical application and humour to keep listeners engaged.
That prof gets the lecturer of the year award, most are fine and a couple of classes you actually work your way through the lectures. Just like the stereotypes of body types and being somewhere in the spectrum in multiple scales, it comes naturally to some people and others have hard time teaching like that even if they fought their hardest to figure it out.
Thank you! My dad is actually an award-winning professor of mathematics. Following in the old family business, I guess? Or TRYING TO OUT-DO MY DAD AT ANYTHING FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE. You never know! - Dr. Mike
@@RenaissancePeriodization honestly you are pretty good at getting straight to the point and making things simple. I know a biology teacher that used cheese oranges the moon and a shoe to try and make an analogy for glycogen synthesis. Instead she made it insufferable to go through her course.
Not to brag or anything, but i've been to a party one. It's exactly like sitting home, but the room is full, dark, the people are drunk, you can't sit, and some sort of a loud and shitty music drives you nuts. Also there is no food.
I went to a party once too! It was neat. Groovy house music. Very dark. Some new smells. Everyone taking some kind of vitamins. Lots of very nice obese women offering me back rubs. I must have fallen asleep at some point because I can’t remember much else but I do remember waking up in a very nice gentleman’s apartment. He made excellent French toast.
I realized the archetypal bodytype system is BS when I actually got into shape. I used to be a skinny twig as an adolescent, consistently dieted and worked out for around 8 years, and ended up a "mesomorph".
Its based on outdated "science" contemporary to phrenology. I still canno believe we moved past phrenology but somehow the somatotypes are still a thing.
@@GamerGarmThing is even if somatotypes had any science to them (which they don't) they would still not be relevant because the theory was never supposed to have anything to do with exercise or dieting, it's a psychology theory ("theory" is even being generous, it's a hypothesis) that was meant to correlate male "body types" (ie very superficial physical attributes that do not take any actual physical performance, diet, environmental or lifestyle factors into account) with a set of personality traits - the whole thing basically boils down to mesomorphs are confident outgoing chads, ectomorphs are nerds and endomorphs are jolly and lazy. If people read up on where these ideas come from they'd quickly realize just how much bullshit they are. If they EVER seem to be correct it's purely by accident because the reasoning behind it is nonsensical. Somatotypes are like star signs for lifters.
It is too bad that the algorithm pushes the BS to the average person instead of this awesome content. I personally bought into that body type thing for long time until I discovered Dr Mike, Coach Greg, and few other great channels. I started my fat loss journey a year ago, lost around 45 pounds and now keeping a healthy lifestyle, consistent gym workouts and cardio. Learning as much as I can from this kind of content. Thanks a lot for the information you provide
As someone who is actually 'skinny-fat' I feel seen. I actually call myself 'skinny-obese' now because 'skinny-fat' has been co-opted by just regular skinny people without abs. Not complaining mind you, just doing the best with the hand I'm dealt (including watching these videos). Staying lean and looking like I lift will always be a struggle and thats ok, just makes me grateful for the progress I can get rather than having unrealistic social media physique standards.
Dude you fucking do you. Major props. It's ALL about doing the best with what you have. Also, what's the proper modern response to "I feel seen?" Let me go with.... "mmm hmmm, that's yo truth." What do you think? - Dr. Mike
Hey man, I been there. At 38 years of age i was 6 feet tall 145 pounds with no abs. I trained up to 220 pounds in three years then did a cut. now i am 49 years old still training180 pounds (lean athletic). Here is the secret. Squat, deadlift, bench press, overhead press, 3 times a week each for 3-5 sets per day. 5 reps per exercise for 3 years, dont do any fancy routines. Just those snd get stronger... and eat!!! Dont worry about getting a bit chubbier. Just eat. Milk 1/2 gallon a day, to 1 gallon a day, lean protein, rice, pasta, Train HARD I cant tell you how many times i almost past out after a set of deadlifts. Keep a log. Try to slightly improve each work out but be smart If you get stuck take some weight off bar build back up. Thats what worked for me. It may work for you.. Be careful of who you watch on youtube. Dr. Mike is a gem but some others give so much bad advice.
10/10 best Fitness channel! Seriously thanks for getting me started. Was 315 and I’m down to 196. Can’t thank you enough. I’m actually working with one of the RP coaches now for diet and training and have honestly NEVER looked better. Was always the fat guy in high school and college and now I’ve got veins popping out of my arms. This is CRAZY!
For anyone wondering what it's like at parties, the guy with the best personality/sociability gets more girls than the guy with the best body. Sociability + aesthetics = gigachad
@@BOSSDONMAN Have a conversation with women every day without thinking about them sexually. It helps if they are attractive women for maximal intensity. Highest rep range possible until it becomes effortless
I love watching these videos regardless of whether I know the content already or not. Dr. Mike, you're an awesome instructor! Nitpick: Poles on three axes actually yield 2³=8 combinations.
As an ectomorph, I can tell you that it’s a huge setback. I spent 15 years working out and hardly ever putting on weight despite having one of the best trainers around. When I aged a bit and learned how to eat properly, the gains came but they were still slow. I finally got to a good size and was paralysed. Now I’m in my late 40s starting from scratch. The benchmark is getting gains each time I work out.
I love all the information in your video and you can't beat the humor. I struggle with weight loss in the way you put it. When I diet my metabolism goes to crap and I could sleep all day. This has only gotten worse as I approach 60. Your video on weight lifting at ages helped me realize going for gains is great and I do, but keeping the excessive put 10 more on the bar instead of 5 is a smart idea. I've found I can pull muscles really easily. lol
@@RenaissancePeriodization you have missed the total point to somato type...sheldon already said that nobody is completely one body type but a combination of the other 2..this video you have made is just another pointless one that many other people have made cluttering up youtube due to ignorance
To be fair to Sheldon, though many sources describe Ecto/Meso/Endomorph that way, the irony is that his classifications were actually more complicated that the "alternatives" listed. In this case, it forces Dr. Mike to address a Strawman. While there were training programs for the different somatotypes (big in the 50s), most Bodybuilding/Fitness sources get the Somatotypes wrong. First, and most basic: The "Ectomorph", "Endomorph" and "Mesomorph" as described were extremes. The "3" types were also not on a linear scale; they were on a triangular chart, with each type at a corner, which then makes "fat/skinny" possible via this classification system. Variations and combinations of the 3 were not only "allowed", but expected. Sheldon did not say at all, that people fell into one of the three; finding an extreme Meso, Ecto or Endomorph would be rare, just like IRL. To understand: Sheldon was a Psychologist, and the "Body types" were based on correlation to personality traits. The "3" main types were related to predominance of cells in the zygote: Nerve (Ecto), Muscle/Bone (Meso) and Viscera (Endo). Knowing that helps to understand where the "types" came from and their characteristic. Each "type" had 7 characteristics, that weren't either/or for the other types, so the permutations for an individual were vast. So, a 711 would be an extreme Endomorph, a 171 an extreme Mesomorph, and a 117 an extreme Ectomorph. Your "average" person might be a 444. A "skinny/fat" person might be a 525. I see people use Professional Bodybuilders as examples of somatotypes. Most often they are way off. "Frank Zane is a classic ectomorph" is one of the most overused one. No he isn't. Not even close. Any professional bodybuilder is going to be largely Mesomorphic, BUT, ironically, FULL Mesomorphs are not really present at the top, at least in recent years. In the past, yes, but Mesomorphs are large boned. Combined with PEDs you end up looking blocky. But back to Zane, a "classic ectomorph" is going to look nothing like a pro bodybuilder, no matter how much they work out. Maybe Manute Bol? "Twiggy" (Model from the 60s)?. Some strength athletes are also shown as "extreme endomorphs" because they are large framed..but that is Mesomorphy. The comedian Louie Anderson is one of the best examples of an Extreme Endomorph that I can think of. The "power" athletes that people say are endo are mostly very meso. Paul Anderson is one of the best examples of an endomorphic athlete.
If one looks at the "Somatotype training" programs that were offered, some of them actually have some merit. For example: "Endomorphs" were encouraged to use Dumbbells and Cables, isolation exercises, and higher reps, and frequent training. Mesomorphs: Barbells/Dbs and medium reps, with balanced training Ectomorphs: Barbells and lower reps, with full body routines made up of compound exercises. Pretty similar to what a lot of gurus preach. Also interesting...Endos gravitate towards low reps because they are often composed of lots of FT fibers, and lack muscular endurance. Ectos-gravitate towards higher reps as they often have a lot of ST fibers, but the suggestion was to train what you WEREN'T good at to "balance" your physique. This was during the "Physical Culture" years, so goals were different. These programs were also geared towards the general public, not bodybuilders per se. Arnolds "Encyclopedia" has a pretty good section on Somatotyping. Keep in mind that "Biological Determinism" is out currently in science, at least "mainstream" science. But if one delves into some of the specifics, there are some interesting correlations. Not saying I agree with it all, but it is more complicated than simple "fat/medium/skinny". :)
8 types not 6. 2 possibilities in 3 categories give 8 possibilities. 1. Fat with muscle and large bones, 2.fat without muscle and large bones, 3. Fat without muscle and small bones, 4 .fat with muscle and small bones, 5. Not fat without muscle and large bones, 6. Not fat with muscle and small bones 7.Not fat, without muscle and small bones and 8. Not fat, with muscle and large bones.
It would if you combined the poles of each spectrum into bi-variate categories via combination and not permutation. What I was getting at in this video is like a "thin boned" body type or a "high fat" body type. YES, the way you're describing it could work (and in fact mirrors the combinatorial style of original body types), but it suffers from one of the major drawbacks of 3 body type system: it ignores intermediate values and gradations. Like, if your bones are average size, where do you fit? So yes, the 8 combos could be a thing, and a natural way to look at it, but I wasn't hinting at that, and in fact away from it. - Dr. Mike
I love the way you explain things. I don’t even watch your videos. You just got recommended one day, it will start playing and I listen. You don’t always tell me what I like but you always tell me what I understand.
I agree that it is all bs. I’ve been a big boy at 250 with a round stomach, broad shoulders and huge legs. I’ve been 160 lb super skinny cross country build. Now by all means I’m not super jacked but I’m a built 190 at 6’2. This is all within 10-12 years.
I was always confused as to where exactly I was on the body type scale. Started out training kinda on the skinny fat side, started eating clean and doing lots of cardio and lost 20lbs. Ended up just skinny. After a ton of time doing pullups, advanced pushups, pistol squats, I steadily put on 5lbs of muscle. Now that I've started weighted calisthenics, I've been growing like crazy. Wide hips and medium-width shoulders, but long thin limbs, and never been above a 32" waist. Never knew what category I fell into, but this helped give me a decent idea
Great video as always, doc! Just a comment about the origin of the terms: The body type system is developed by William Herbert Sheldon and was not made with anything workout related in mind, but rather psychological. The theory was that if you are a certain body type you behave (most likely) in a certain way and it was on a scale from 1-7 on all of the three types. I'm not saying it is a good system for psychological evaluation, but it's even worse to use it as a guide for how to train. (Sorry if someone already mentioned this)
I think a bodytype scale could work but the current one is just wrong. A scale that shows the 3 main bodytypes in their fittest form and gauges your metabolic rate, muscularity, and skeletal structure. individually on a points system would be more effective.
Kept overlooking your videos and shorts for no damn good reason at all. I finally decided to see what the fuck it is you have to say and subscribed. This video was a great eye opener. I was a lean short string bean in high school (graduated 132lbs), gained plenty of muscle and a little height between the ages of 18-22 in the Marine Corps. Got out, never exercised, worked construction and didn’t give a shit about my health. I’m now 45 and weigh 205. I have a good frame, like to lift but can’t lose the damn spare tire. I was convinced I was a mesomorph and decided to focus on that…… yep - fucking BS. I’m going to take this advice, so THANK YOU.
OMG you've got to be the most underrated channel I've found in the fitness sphere. Great, light hearted, well-written content. I'm a 44 year old 300 lbs fast ass, because since I left the military 20 years ago, every time I've gained 30 pounds, I've run off 20, got injured, rinse, wash, repeat. Finally getting serious about strength training for the first time ever and it's really working.....
These jokes are all extremely funny and high leveled. Didn’t expect this lol but kudos Dr Mike, brilliant video explaining a very misunderstood concept while making it very fun to watch and easy to digest.
Awesome breakdown - one burning question I have is if there's research that shows genetics vs. childhood lifestyle and how that contributes to metabolism, muscle mass, growth potential, recovery, etc. I feel like a lot of things get pinned on genetics where maybe early life activity and conditioning may or may not have a major impact
So question about 6.) Fat Loss Potential because honestly, that's my problem and literally no one addresses it. Like what does one even DO for that? I have struggled with EDs because no matter how few calories I eat and how healthy I eat, I don't lose weight. I just get EXHAUSTED. The only way, I find, to have the energy to do anything is to eat at maintenance or damn close to it, but everyone likes to preach the Gospel of CICO. I've talked to multiple doctors about this and they just assume I'm lying but I'm getting incredibly frustrated and this is the only place I can find that even MENTIONS this
i was taught at uni that meso/ecto/endo are real but it was not described as a restrictive thing that everyone fits in to, it was described as an observable phenomenon where athletes in paticular sports are more likely to share body types at the high end of skill, so the best of the best swimmers cluster around the same spot on the triangle, and so on for different sports
The meso endo ecto is just a more simplified version of what you laid out. Yes we’re far more complex than any 3 scale table, or 4, or 12. The breadth and width of human A&P is massive. But like all things a generalization that works “most” of the time for “most” people doesn’t hurt anything (or help)
Dr mike thanks for the Clarification I always said this and people thought I was crazy lol Me for example high school I was 150 lbs 6’2” I was a twiggy but had jacked legs upper body was not so great very lean but I was strong did a lot of dirt bike riding Fast forward in my twenties I put on a lil bit of good muscle over the yrs with a physically demanding job 175 lbs I got to Late twenties got married kids etc jumped up to 200 , then divorced in my early 30s got up to 237 with the help of Oreos lol all gut 6 months ago I had enough went on a carb deficit for 2 months and lifting iam eating healthy slowly bring myself up to maintenance and iam down to 199 and have made some impressive gains in the short term !! I just wanna thank you I’ve been watching for videos for a long time and your break down is so easy to understand!!!
This is gold! I love how you always emphasize the importance of individuality in your videos. Not many youtube fitness enthusiasts talk about genetics and individual discrepancies. For example, default body type vs trained. Very few people would know that the way you look untrained and trained comparatively, can be vastly different. It's hard to judge a book by it's cover. Person A untrained can appear more muscular than person B untrained, but if person B has great trainibility genetics, he/she may surpass person A. Awesome work doc!!
Lifelong emo build here, trying to channel jojo character energy for the past year or so. Mike is such a huge help both in compassionate advice but also cold water pouring over bullshit. Stay strong and thanks.
Wow I never really questioned the body types because I pretty well fit the endomorph mold, large frame, 8 1/8" inch wrist, wide shoulders, 8 1/8" hat size. As a HS freshman was 5'9" 250 then senior year was 5'11" 245, I actually worked out back then but was about 25 pounds overweight and of course was down on myself for being 'fat', and now after a decade of poor choices, am at 365.
I’m grateful for this video because my entire life I’ve felt like the body types thing never included me. I’m half white, half Nigerian- my brother is a pro body builder. I am 5’2, 177lb woman and I’m very strong- I have a little fat and can always out lift other women in almost every arena (not bragging). The other day, you made a video and gave the example “imagine a 5’2 woman, 180lbs - she’s probably pretty hefty lady” well actually no, my body fat is only 25% and so many other women guess I’m 140-150- all this to say we can’t determine the strength or health of someone based only on their weight because my body type is naturally so much more muscular than other women
I was a 6’1” 120 lb ecto. Now im 180 and still look narrow compared to my gym bros. I have a 30 waist and my skeletal shoulder frame is narrow despite having well developed traps, lats, and delts
The important variables that were not explicitly mentioned: discipline, diligence, motivation, follow through, consistency, priorities, stress, stress response, existing habits, climate, etc.
You forgot the scale of flexibility. Most exercise enthusiasts are concerned with maintaining mobility, but a few of us are more concerned about hyperextension causing injuries.
I graduated HS at 6'4" 190lbs. Muscular but I wasn't jacked even though I was an athlete and lifted religiously. I thought I was an ectomorph! By the end of my freshman year of college, I was 225lbs of muscle. It was a wild transformation! Turned out I could put muscle on easily, I just had to be patient and let my body do it's thing. Now I'm 51 and tip the scales at 275lbs at 15-20% bf, which I'm fine with at my age....you can tell I lift, but I'm not shredded.
Dr Mike,as a 6'1, 130lbs Amazon Queen (of Tribe Nerds), destined for life of sweat and iron (squatted bodyweight at 14 and it just got worse/better with age) I propose we make "a Chad" as I, too, had always wondered how it's like being invited to parties.
It sucks that people always notice the thing that stands out. My entire life I have been pretty muscular and look really Good at the beach. This is mainly because I have a labor intensive job and stay pretty active overall. However , my legs below my knees are very skinny and no Matter how many calf exercises I do, Nothing will change the circumference of my legs above the Ankles. No matter what other people think I cannot help but look in the mirror and say "damn I got some skinny legs." What a bummer.
No questions related to this video, but I was wondering if you could make a video covering the topic of cluster sets and perhaps its application in strength and/or hypertrophy training. My main question regarding it is, based on my learning from your content, how would your sets and RIR function differently with cluster sets vs traditional sets?
I’ve been suggested your videos for a while now and always scrolled past. First time watching and I really enjoyed the content. Will definitely be checking out more of your stuff. Also parties are overrated, posturing, drugs, alcohol, fights, usually in a house you wouldn’t wanna live in.
I agree. I am all 3. Fat around abs. Thick chested, and thick back, noodle arms and legs. Pure torso dominant and strong. 5 ft 7" $ 170lbs bdywt. Forgot to say narrow shoulders and narrow lats.
This is a great video, but as an ecto/emo/virgin I spent YEARS learning how to make gains. I finally figured it out but only after studying and practicing training methods that were SPECIFIC to my body type.
Haven't watched the video, but obviously Dr Mike needs to just go and study any V Shred video to touch up on all his body type based training principles. 😂
Not saying that the somatotypes are perfect, but I think most people can recall seeing their classmates and noticing those who were almost perfect representatives of each group. And, based on anecdotal/personal experience, I have also observed differences in response to diet/exercise by people who seem to be almost perfect examples of each group. But, practically speaking, if one was to give any credence to the somatotypes, I think it is better to think of each somatotype as representing a vertex of a triangle, with any person falling either on a vertex (ideal representation of a somatotype), an edge (combination of 2 somatotypes), or anywhere within the plane of the triangle (I.E some combination of 3 somatotypes).
Mike is so massively broad in the chest/shoulders that he can wear fairly extensive text on his shirts (edit: how does he find shirts that fit his manlet dimensions? I assume all the XXLs are much too long on him so he has to cut off the bottom portion.)
Body types are not BS. Ofc a person can be somewhere in the middle of the scale but those 3 types are the left limit, mid and right limit of the scale. Exceptions to this do not disproof the rule
I love your ending comments there haha. I think I already reached that time after two years where I know I'm never going to be wildly jacked, but I can see that if I put a bit more effort into eating right, I can gain maybe a bit more. So, I decided just to maintain where I'm at and enjoy the benefits of feeling great and looking good.
The real fundamental somatotypes: powerlifter, chad, emo and virgin…
You missed the 5th one: the virgin emo Chad powerlifter
U need a pin my friend
They all lived in harmony... until the Chad Nation attacked
Bro I was a virgin who went emo started powerlifting and became a Chad
Based
Xenomorph here
😂 is this an alien reference
lol seriously? No, it’s not. He’s actually a xenomorph.
No shit dude... I'm an animorph
I'm an animorph, I can turn into a mole-rat.
@@RumiNasseriNo
If you ever taught at a university I guarantee you’d be everyone’s favorite teacher (and probably get invited to parties 😂) love your lectures!
He was a professor. Now chasing Lamborghini life
Still am a professor! Have won teaching awards... still no party invites. What's up now, Faptor? Where's the keen insight??!! I'm lonely, HELP! - Dr. Mike
@@RenaissancePeriodization Hey man I live way out in Iowa, your always invited to my parties though, just let me know if you’re ever in the area 😂 shoulda let me know about your party problem when I was living in Vegas!
Don’t let mike lie to you he was at all the bangers at Temple
@@RenaissancePeriodization what university do you teach at currently? I’m a senior in hs and the college I’m going to is dependent on your answer lol. Seriously who wouldn’t want you as a professor
This dude is beyond fantastic. His doctor-to-English translation is Hall of Fame stuff. And he uses the word "emo" in his lessons lol. Such a joy to listen to
And he talks about shirtless men and balls 😍👅
Been watching Dr. Mike for a year and just started my first year of university… if profs taught like Mike, passing rate would be way higher. Explaining complex topics utilizing practical application and humour to keep listeners engaged.
Exactly🥳 give Dr Mike the most complex subject I’d be at a party explaining it to my friends lol 😁😁
That prof gets the lecturer of the year award, most are fine and a couple of classes you actually work your way through the lectures. Just like the stereotypes of body types and being somewhere in the spectrum in multiple scales, it comes naturally to some people and others have hard time teaching like that even if they fought their hardest to figure it out.
Thank you! My dad is actually an award-winning professor of mathematics. Following in the old family business, I guess? Or TRYING TO OUT-DO MY DAD AT ANYTHING FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE. You never know! - Dr. Mike
@@RenaissancePeriodization If he curls more than you it is time to give up. If not you are clearly the superior human being.
@@RenaissancePeriodization honestly you are pretty good at getting straight to the point and making things simple. I know a biology teacher that used cheese oranges the moon and a shoe to try and make an analogy for glycogen synthesis. Instead she made it insufferable to go through her course.
Not to brag or anything, but i've been to a party one. It's exactly like sitting home, but the room is full, dark, the people are drunk, you can't sit, and some sort of a loud and shitty music drives you nuts. Also there is no food.
You went to the wrong party. Any party I’m to has food. Usually cake. Because it’s a birthday party.
I went to a party once too! It was neat. Groovy house music. Very dark. Some new smells. Everyone taking some kind of vitamins. Lots of very nice obese women offering me back rubs. I must have fallen asleep at some point because I can’t remember much else but I do remember waking up in a very nice gentleman’s apartment. He made excellent French toast.
What the fuck are these party’s 😂 I’ve never heard of any of this in any party I’ve been to
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Kinda same experience, so i avoid parties.
I realized the archetypal bodytype system is BS when I actually got into shape. I used to be a skinny twig as an adolescent, consistently dieted and worked out for around 8 years, and ended up a "mesomorph".
Right? That's so ughhhghghg. - Dr. Mike
Its based on outdated "science" contemporary to phrenology. I still canno believe we moved past phrenology but somehow the somatotypes are still a thing.
Anyone who knows how to lift weights with volume while eating at a caloric surplus is a mesomorph according to that horseshit
@@GamerGarmThing is even if somatotypes had any science to them (which they don't) they would still not be relevant because the theory was never supposed to have anything to do with exercise or dieting, it's a psychology theory ("theory" is even being generous, it's a hypothesis) that was meant to correlate male "body types" (ie very superficial physical attributes that do not take any actual physical performance, diet, environmental or lifestyle factors into account) with a set of personality traits - the whole thing basically boils down to mesomorphs are confident outgoing chads, ectomorphs are nerds and endomorphs are jolly and lazy.
If people read up on where these ideas come from they'd quickly realize just how much bullshit they are. If they EVER seem to be correct it's purely by accident because the reasoning behind it is nonsensical. Somatotypes are like star signs for lifters.
@@GamerGarm It's 2 years since your comment and a shorts came out clipping this video and people aren't just ready to accept that.
It is too bad that the algorithm pushes the BS to the average person instead of this awesome content. I personally bought into that body type thing for long time until I discovered Dr Mike, Coach Greg, and few other great channels. I started my fat loss journey a year ago, lost around 45 pounds and now keeping a healthy lifestyle, consistent gym workouts and cardio. Learning as much as I can from this kind of content. Thanks a lot for the information you provide
Instead we should be looking at our bone structure
🤨how do you think anyone finds dr mike’s channel if it’s NOT the algorithm?
As someone who is actually 'skinny-fat' I feel seen. I actually call myself 'skinny-obese' now because 'skinny-fat' has been co-opted by just regular skinny people without abs. Not complaining mind you, just doing the best with the hand I'm dealt (including watching these videos). Staying lean and looking like I lift will always be a struggle and thats ok, just makes me grateful for the progress I can get rather than having unrealistic social media physique standards.
Dude you fucking do you. Major props. It's ALL about doing the best with what you have. Also, what's the proper modern response to "I feel seen?" Let me go with.... "mmm hmmm, that's yo truth." What do you think? - Dr. Mike
@@RenaissancePeriodization Sounds good enough to me. I was saying that tongue and cheek haha. Keep up the great work.
Hey man, I been there. At 38 years of age i was 6 feet tall 145 pounds with no abs. I trained up to 220 pounds in three years then did a cut. now i am 49 years old still training180 pounds (lean athletic). Here is the secret. Squat, deadlift, bench press, overhead press, 3 times a week each for 3-5 sets per day. 5 reps per exercise for 3 years, dont do any fancy routines. Just those snd get stronger... and eat!!! Dont worry about getting a bit chubbier. Just eat. Milk 1/2 gallon a day, to 1 gallon a day, lean protein, rice, pasta, Train HARD I cant tell you how many times i almost past out after a set of deadlifts. Keep a log. Try to slightly improve each work out but be smart If you get stuck take some weight off bar build back up. Thats what worked for me. It may work for you.. Be careful of who you watch on youtube. Dr. Mike is a gem but some others give so much bad advice.
@@sonat2008 sounds like starting strength
@@sonat2008 Great advice, pretty much doing this but with more junk food and face pulls. Do you recommend any 'extras' that helped? Sups or trt etc?
10/10 best Fitness channel!
Seriously thanks for getting me started. Was 315 and I’m down to 196. Can’t thank you enough. I’m actually working with one of the RP coaches now for diet and training and have honestly NEVER looked better. Was always the fat guy in high school and college and now I’ve got veins popping out of my arms. This is CRAZY!
So happy for you mate. Keep sprinting forward!
23 years old and I went through all the body types immaginable, i guess it's called growing up.
It’s actually crazy how accurate your scale is 😂, everyone you see who fits in those categories usually has that exact body.
60% of men worldwide are the virgin category.
small correction, with three variables taking 2 values, there are 2^3 = 8 different body types in your analysis, instead of 6 as you said
man actually just called me an emo virgin ☠️
Was looking for this comment. Good job.
When he put the diagram on the screen around 8:00 and just kept going with his point - oh my god! I loved it!
Lol made me laugh
Laughed my head off at that diagram LOL
For anyone wondering what it's like at parties, the guy with the best personality/sociability gets more girls than the guy with the best body. Sociability + aesthetics = gigachad
According to studies those that exhibit the dark triad tend to be regarded as the most attractive and most wanted.
What exercises can I perform to increase growth in these "personally/sociability" muscles? What type of rep ranges do you work this in?
@@BOSSDONMAN in the sims you can just talk in front of a mirror for 10 hours, you could try that
@@BOSSDONMAN Have a conversation with women every day without thinking about them sexually. It helps if they are attractive women for maximal intensity. Highest rep range possible until it becomes effortless
haha, I just left a comment stating basically this. Looks alone don't cut it
You manage to be extremely informative, helpful, and way funnier than SNL has been since about 1980. Applause, applause!
I love watching these videos regardless of whether I know the content already or not. Dr. Mike, you're an awesome instructor! Nitpick: Poles on three axes actually yield 2³=8 combinations.
Thank goodness you posted this. Being a CS major, it was really bugging me lol.
Ah yes.
I wanted to comment this. But did a quick Ctrl+F 8 first to see if someone has mentioned this! :D
"Everything I learned, was from watching Renaissance Periodization videos" - Johnny Sins
Mike looks like a squashed version of johnny sins
As an ectomorph, I can tell you that it’s a huge setback. I spent 15 years working out and hardly ever putting on weight despite having one of the best trainers around. When I aged a bit and learned how to eat properly, the gains came but they were still slow. I finally got to a good size and was paralysed. Now I’m in my late 40s starting from scratch. The benchmark is getting gains each time I work out.
I love all the information in your video and you can't beat the humor. I struggle with weight loss in the way you put it. When I diet my metabolism goes to crap and I could sleep all day. This has only gotten worse as I approach 60. Your video on weight lifting at ages helped me realize going for gains is great and I do, but keeping the excessive put 10 more on the bar instead of 5 is a smart idea. I've found I can pull muscles really easily. lol
Thanks for the feedback, and best of luck to you! - Dr. Mike
@@RenaissancePeriodization you have missed the total point to somato type...sheldon already said that nobody is completely one body type but a combination of the other 2..this video you have made is just another pointless one that many other people have made cluttering up youtube due to ignorance
Dr. Mike! I'm in tears, the world needs more people like you. Beyond funny education😂❤
This is my first Dr. Mike video and I AM MESMERIZED.. Excellent knowledge and wonderful delivery. 👍👍👍
Parties are just what you’d expect: people in a circle sniffing each other’s behinds (just like the dogs do) 🐶
Wait, I am supposed to sniff butts? I've been doing it wrong my whole life. . .
@@stoff81kg94 that might explain some things
@@stoff81kg94 You've really gotta get your nose deep up in there
There’s actually four types:
Ectomorph, Endomorph, Mesomorphy… and Xenomorph.
So...this guy is a scammer then?
I love this man! I can watch this dude all day. Hahahaha. "j lo" "awkward"
I remember always reading the body type shit in girl mags as a teen and I was never in it and I always felt like a fucked up weirdo lol
@@Joseph-zw6wm #goals
I saw someone use *current Kim kardashian as an example of the meso body type and thought it was so fucked up
To be fair to Sheldon, though many sources describe Ecto/Meso/Endomorph that way, the irony is that his classifications were actually more complicated that the "alternatives" listed. In this case, it forces Dr. Mike to address a Strawman. While there were training programs for the different somatotypes (big in the 50s), most Bodybuilding/Fitness sources get the Somatotypes wrong. First, and most basic: The "Ectomorph", "Endomorph" and "Mesomorph" as described were extremes. The "3" types were also not on a linear scale; they were on a triangular chart, with each type at a corner, which then makes "fat/skinny" possible via this classification system. Variations and combinations of the 3 were not only "allowed", but expected. Sheldon did not say at all, that people fell into one of the three; finding an extreme Meso, Ecto or Endomorph would be rare, just like IRL. To understand: Sheldon was a Psychologist, and the "Body types" were based on correlation to personality traits. The "3" main types were related to predominance of cells in the zygote: Nerve (Ecto), Muscle/Bone (Meso) and Viscera (Endo). Knowing that helps to understand where the "types" came from and their characteristic. Each "type" had 7 characteristics, that weren't either/or for the other types, so the permutations for an individual were vast. So, a 711 would be an extreme Endomorph, a 171 an extreme Mesomorph, and a 117 an extreme Ectomorph. Your "average" person might be a 444. A "skinny/fat" person might be a 525. I see people use Professional Bodybuilders as examples of somatotypes. Most often they are way off. "Frank Zane is a classic ectomorph" is one of the most overused one. No he isn't. Not even close. Any professional bodybuilder is going to be largely Mesomorphic, BUT, ironically, FULL Mesomorphs are not really present at the top, at least in recent years. In the past, yes, but Mesomorphs are large boned. Combined with PEDs you end up looking blocky. But back to Zane, a "classic ectomorph" is going to look nothing like a pro bodybuilder, no matter how much they work out. Maybe Manute Bol? "Twiggy" (Model from the 60s)?. Some strength athletes are also shown as "extreme endomorphs" because they are large framed..but that is Mesomorphy. The comedian Louie Anderson is one of the best examples of an Extreme Endomorph that I can think of. The "power" athletes that people say are endo are mostly very meso. Paul Anderson is one of the best examples of an endomorphic athlete.
If one looks at the "Somatotype training" programs that were offered, some of them actually have some merit. For example: "Endomorphs" were encouraged to use Dumbbells and Cables, isolation exercises, and higher reps, and frequent training. Mesomorphs: Barbells/Dbs and medium reps, with balanced training Ectomorphs: Barbells and lower reps, with full body routines made up of compound exercises. Pretty similar to what a lot of gurus preach. Also interesting...Endos gravitate towards low reps because they are often composed of lots of FT fibers, and lack muscular endurance. Ectos-gravitate towards higher reps as they often have a lot of ST fibers, but the suggestion was to train what you WEREN'T good at to "balance" your physique. This was during the "Physical Culture" years, so goals were different. These programs were also geared towards the general public, not bodybuilders per se. Arnolds "Encyclopedia" has a pretty good section on Somatotyping. Keep in mind that "Biological Determinism" is out currently in science, at least "mainstream" science. But if one delves into some of the specifics, there are some interesting correlations. Not saying I agree with it all, but it is more complicated than simple "fat/medium/skinny". :)
Wouldn't a 3 variable system lead to 8 possible body types?
8 types not 6. 2 possibilities in 3 categories give 8 possibilities. 1. Fat with muscle and large bones, 2.fat without muscle and large bones, 3. Fat without muscle and small bones, 4 .fat with muscle and small bones, 5. Not fat without muscle and large bones, 6. Not fat with muscle and small bones 7.Not fat, without muscle and small bones and 8. Not fat, with muscle and large bones.
Yes I just commented the same.
It would if you combined the poles of each spectrum into bi-variate categories via combination and not permutation. What I was getting at in this video is like a "thin boned" body type or a "high fat" body type. YES, the way you're describing it could work (and in fact mirrors the combinatorial style of original body types), but it suffers from one of the major drawbacks of 3 body type system: it ignores intermediate values and gradations. Like, if your bones are average size, where do you fit? So yes, the 8 combos could be a thing, and a natural way to look at it, but I wasn't hinting at that, and in fact away from it. - Dr. Mike
There are currently 8,538 body types
@@thallusa123 And each of them has their own way to train and eat! We're doomed, unless V-shred cover them all...
I love the way you explain things. I don’t even watch your videos. You just got recommended one day, it will start playing and I listen.
You don’t always tell me what I like but you always tell me what I understand.
I agree that it is all bs. I’ve been a big boy at 250 with a round stomach, broad shoulders and huge legs. I’ve been 160 lb super skinny cross country build. Now by all means I’m not super jacked but I’m a built 190 at 6’2. This is all within 10-12 years.
I was always confused as to where exactly I was on the body type scale.
Started out training kinda on the skinny fat side, started eating clean and doing lots of cardio and lost 20lbs. Ended up just skinny. After a ton of time doing pullups, advanced pushups, pistol squats, I steadily put on 5lbs of muscle. Now that I've started weighted calisthenics, I've been growing like crazy. Wide hips and medium-width shoulders, but long thin limbs, and never been above a 32" waist.
Never knew what category I fell into, but this helped give me a decent idea
Great video as always, doc! Just a comment about the origin of the terms: The body type system is developed by William Herbert Sheldon and was not made with anything workout related in mind, but rather psychological. The theory was that if you are a certain body type you behave (most likely) in a certain way and it was on a scale from 1-7 on all of the three types. I'm not saying it is a good system for psychological evaluation, but it's even worse to use it as a guide for how to train. (Sorry if someone already mentioned this)
I think a bodytype scale could work but the current one is just wrong. A scale that shows the 3 main bodytypes in their fittest form and gauges your metabolic rate, muscularity, and skeletal structure. individually on a points system would be more effective.
Kept overlooking your videos and shorts for no damn good reason at all. I finally decided to see what the fuck it is you have to say and subscribed. This video was a great eye opener. I was a lean short string bean in high school (graduated 132lbs), gained plenty of muscle and a little height between the ages of 18-22 in the Marine Corps. Got out, never exercised, worked construction and didn’t give a shit about my health. I’m now 45 and weigh 205. I have a good frame, like to lift but can’t lose the damn spare tire. I was convinced I was a mesomorph and decided to focus on that…… yep - fucking BS. I’m going to take this advice, so THANK YOU.
It’s amazing how much my genetics improved after I’d lost some weight.
OMG you've got to be the most underrated channel I've found in the fitness sphere. Great, light hearted, well-written content. I'm a 44 year old 300 lbs fast ass, because since I left the military 20 years ago, every time I've gained 30 pounds, I've run off 20, got injured, rinse, wash, repeat. Finally getting serious about strength training for the first time ever and it's really working.....
How are you doing now?
These jokes are all extremely funny and high leveled. Didn’t expect this lol but kudos Dr Mike, brilliant video explaining a very misunderstood concept while making it very fun to watch and easy to digest.
Commenting for the algorithm. This channel w Dr. Mike is too good and extremely valuable and needs to grow even more.
Awesome breakdown - one burning question I have is if there's research that shows genetics vs. childhood lifestyle and how that contributes to metabolism, muscle mass, growth potential, recovery, etc. I feel like a lot of things get pinned on genetics where maybe early life activity and conditioning may or may not have a major impact
If you have three scales assuming everyone has to set on one pole of each scale and there is noone in the middle, that still leaves 8 types
8 possible extremes.
Dr. Mike you make the gym fun to a guy who used to be in the virgin category and is trying to improve. Thanks for the content!
So question about 6.) Fat Loss Potential because honestly, that's my problem and literally no one addresses it. Like what does one even DO for that? I have struggled with EDs because no matter how few calories I eat and how healthy I eat, I don't lose weight. I just get EXHAUSTED. The only way, I find, to have the energy to do anything is to eat at maintenance or damn close to it, but everyone likes to preach the Gospel of CICO. I've talked to multiple doctors about this and they just assume I'm lying but I'm getting incredibly frustrated and this is the only place I can find that even MENTIONS this
Your comedy was on point in this video, thanks for the laughs!
i was taught at uni that meso/ecto/endo are real but it was not described as a restrictive thing that everyone fits in to, it was described as an observable phenomenon where athletes in paticular sports are more likely to share body types at the high end of skill, so the best of the best swimmers cluster around the same spot on the triangle, and so on for different sports
Body type: viltrumite. Can grow a sick mustache and have super strength, but my hair still fell out
DHT one hell of a drug
@@BasedChadman gotem
A guy that only speak and make us lough as we learn.. i wish i had teachers like you Dr. Mike! But i am happy that i have you now! Thank you ! :)
There are 2 body types: Dom Mazzetti, and Bradley Martyn. Most people are somewhere in between
Nobody's as small as Bradley Martyn tho.
The meso endo ecto is just a more simplified version of what you laid out. Yes we’re far more complex than any 3 scale table, or 4, or 12. The breadth and width of human A&P is massive. But like all things a generalization that works “most” of the time for “most” people doesn’t hurt anything (or help)
Dr mike thanks for the Clarification I always said this and people thought I was crazy lol
Me for example high school I was 150 lbs 6’2” I was a twiggy but had jacked legs upper body was not so great very lean but I was strong did a lot of dirt bike riding
Fast forward in my twenties I put on a lil bit of good muscle over the yrs with a physically demanding job 175 lbs I got to
Late twenties got married kids etc jumped up to 200 , then divorced in my early 30s got up to 237 with the help of Oreos lol all gut 6 months ago I had enough went on a carb deficit for 2 months and lifting iam eating healthy slowly bring myself up to maintenance and iam down to 199 and have made some impressive gains in the short term !! I just wanna thank you I’ve been watching for videos for a long time and your break down is so easy to understand!!!
Love your closing speech. Because that last bit, I felt like you were talking directly to me.
This is gold! I love how you always emphasize the importance of individuality in your videos. Not many youtube fitness enthusiasts talk about genetics and individual discrepancies. For example, default body type vs trained. Very few people would know that the way you look untrained and trained comparatively, can be vastly different. It's hard to judge a book by it's cover. Person A untrained can appear more muscular than person B untrained, but if person B has great trainibility genetics, he/she may surpass person A. Awesome work doc!!
The shirt alone deserves a like and comment.
Can someone tag J Lo in this.
Never believe them when they say you can't be a nerd and a jock at the same time. I just found my new favorite professor.
I love this glorious bastard's sense of humour.
I always thought that never fit into any of these categories really happy you cleared this subject up
I'll tell you what parties are like. Multiple people getting together, and we all bring our most prized pokemon cards...the rest doesnt even matter!
I cant believe i only found out about thia channel in the past year. Best fitness and nutrition (and comedy) channel on YT period.
body type: Israetelmorph
Lifelong emo build here, trying to channel jojo character energy for the past year or so. Mike is such a huge help both in compassionate advice but also cold water pouring over bullshit. Stay strong and thanks.
Wow I never really questioned the body types because I pretty well fit the endomorph mold, large frame, 8 1/8" inch wrist, wide shoulders, 8 1/8" hat size. As a HS freshman was 5'9" 250 then senior year was 5'11" 245, I actually worked out back then but was about 25 pounds overweight and of course was down on myself for being 'fat', and now after a decade of poor choices, am at 365.
With those measurements or wrist and head size you have great potential man. Get back to it!!!
I’m grateful for this video because my entire life I’ve felt like the body types thing never included me. I’m half white, half Nigerian- my brother is a pro body builder. I am 5’2, 177lb woman and I’m very strong- I have a little fat and can always out lift other women in almost every arena (not bragging). The other day, you made a video and gave the example “imagine a 5’2 woman, 180lbs - she’s probably pretty hefty lady” well actually no, my body fat is only 25% and so many other women guess I’m 140-150- all this to say we can’t determine the strength or health of someone based only on their weight because my body type is naturally so much more muscular than other women
I was a 6’1” 120 lb ecto. Now im 180 and still look narrow compared to my gym bros. I have a 30 waist and my skeletal shoulder frame is narrow despite having well developed traps, lats, and delts
The important variables that were not explicitly mentioned: discipline, diligence, motivation, follow through, consistency, priorities, stress, stress response, existing habits, climate, etc.
Alt. Video Title:
WHAT ARE YOUR BRO-NOUNS?
You forgot the scale of flexibility. Most exercise enthusiasts are concerned with maintaining mobility, but a few of us are more concerned about hyperextension causing injuries.
Imagine not having body dysmorphia
Is it better or worse 2 years later?
I graduated HS at 6'4" 190lbs. Muscular but I wasn't jacked even though I was an athlete and lifted religiously. I thought I was an ectomorph! By the end of my freshman year of college, I was 225lbs of muscle. It was a wild transformation! Turned out I could put muscle on easily, I just had to be patient and let my body do it's thing. Now I'm 51 and tip the scales at 275lbs at 15-20% bf, which I'm fine with at my age....you can tell I lift, but I'm not shredded.
Laughed the whole time watching this. Your videos are great. There's content and the jokes are great.
Great stuff I always thought there were more than three bodytypes and DR Mike has answered a lot of my questions on the subject.😊
Dr Mike,as a 6'1, 130lbs Amazon Queen (of Tribe Nerds), destined for life of sweat and iron (squatted bodyweight at 14 and it just got worse/better with age) I propose we make "a Chad" as I, too, had always wondered how it's like being invited to parties.
It sucks that people always notice the thing that stands out. My entire life I have been pretty muscular and look really Good at the beach. This is mainly because I have a labor intensive job and stay pretty active overall. However , my legs below my knees are very skinny and no Matter how many calf exercises I do, Nothing will change the circumference of my legs above the Ankles. No matter what other people think I cannot help but look in the mirror and say "damn I got some skinny legs." What a bummer.
No questions related to this video, but I was wondering if you could make a video covering the topic of cluster sets and perhaps its application in strength and/or hypertrophy training. My main question regarding it is, based on my learning from your content, how would your sets and RIR function differently with cluster sets vs traditional sets?
Look up Charles Polliquin
@@Hittdogg17 I'll check him out, cheers. Any video in particular?
@@RthereNEusernames they're all good. He's now passed away but he's coached hundreds of Olympic medalists
@@Hittdogg17 For sure, I just meant anything specific in regards to cluster sets?
I love you 😂 somebody who speaks truth and science, greetings from south germany susan
I think I'm somewhere between Chad, emo, and power lifter. 😆
you're my new favorite RUclips channel
You are 100% correct about how a party looks like.
I’ve been suggested your videos for a while now and always scrolled past. First time watching and I really enjoyed the content. Will definitely be checking out more of your stuff. Also parties are overrated, posturing, drugs, alcohol, fights, usually in a house you wouldn’t wanna live in.
Necromorph here.
I totally agree. The big difference in body types is in the results you get not in the program you should follow.
But which fruit do you resemble?
I identify as a pineapple cannibal
I agree. I am all 3. Fat around abs. Thick chested, and thick back, noodle arms and legs. Pure torso dominant and strong. 5 ft 7" $ 170lbs bdywt. Forgot to say narrow shoulders and narrow lats.
This is a great video, but as an ecto/emo/virgin I spent YEARS learning how to make gains. I finally figured it out but only after studying and practicing training methods that were SPECIFIC to my body type.
Haven't watched the video, but obviously Dr Mike needs to just go and study any V Shred video to touch up on all his body type based training principles. 😂
Always good content from the doctor
Not saying that the somatotypes are perfect, but I think most people can recall seeing their classmates and noticing those who were almost perfect representatives of each group.
And, based on anecdotal/personal experience, I have also observed differences in response to diet/exercise by people who seem to be almost perfect examples of each group.
But, practically speaking, if one was to give any credence to the somatotypes, I think it is better to think of each somatotype as representing a vertex of a triangle, with any person falling either on a vertex (ideal representation of a somatotype), an edge (combination of 2 somatotypes), or anywhere within the plane of the triangle (I.E some combination of 3 somatotypes).
I'm the fatass type
Found the channel from a random comment on Jeff nipards video and I'm so glad.
Once I get back from the gym I'm about to watch every single video.
Mike is so massively broad in the chest/shoulders that he can wear fairly extensive text on his shirts (edit: how does he find shirts that fit his manlet dimensions? I assume all the XXLs are much too long on him so he has to cut off the bottom portion.)
There might be a tailor involved somewhere. I
Most people are somewhere in the middle, like J-Lo.....Dr.Mike your comparisons give me life
my body type is: Not Enough
Body types are not BS. Ofc a person can be somewhere in the middle of the scale but those 3 types are the left limit, mid and right limit of the scale. Exceptions to this do not disproof the rule
Just a note, shouldn't it be at least "8 body types"? Two extremes for 3 categories, 2^3
8 is at least 6, so they are technically not wrong ;)
I love your ending comments there haha. I think I already reached that time after two years where I know I'm never going to be wildly jacked, but I can see that if I put a bit more effort into eating right, I can gain maybe a bit more. So, I decided just to maintain where I'm at and enjoy the benefits of feeling great and looking good.
Definitely matters, but there are far more than 3.
This was great, but, I was hoping youd go into limb length and torso length as well. That would make a great video.
Emo/virgin 💀💀💀
Dr. Mike is a national treasure
Nah. There are only 2 body types. Male and female.
The last part where he says you’re not an overly obsessed with yourself ass hole like the rest of us, had me dying. 😂 this is great content!