Plant and Page are the ultimate rock duo for several reasons; They were magnificent collaborators in songwriting 2) they were both hugely charismatic onstage 3) They improvised off of each other on the fly and were in total sync They also used “ call and response” 4) Plant often used his voice as an instrument to add additional atmosphere to a song
this riff was actually created by John Paul Jones, who definitely be in the greatest bassists of the 70’s and before. he’s probably the most underrated musician there is in my opinion. bass, keyboards, mandolin, acoustic guitar, mellotron, on and on and on.
Yes Mr. Ladd John Paul'Jones never got do Recognition for his Place in the Band (His Quarter) the other 3'Quarters of the Band for their Instrument was Equal in Calaber and that's what made (LED🌎ZEPPELIN) so "Grand" he just stayed out of the Limelight of the "Press" and Such he wanted to Walk the Streets and not "BEE" Poked at and He Did 🌎 and Does 🌀
And went on to an interesting solo career after Zeppelin…and was and is in various collaborations: Them Crooked Vultures with Dave Grohl, and Black Country with Joe Bonamassa. He’s also underrated as a witty funny guy. You should watch him on the clip of him, Page and Plant on the David Letterman show in 2012 after the Kennedy Center Honors celebration.
Also, Black Dog was a challenge of sorts for the band. The bassist made a bass line that was nearly impossible to follow. Yet they crafted this masterpiece around that bass line and crushed it.
kinda, he brought the original bass line in written in 3/16 time, which no one can really jam musically, so they adjusted the time signature, and then fleshed out the rest of the song...that is from a John Paul Jones interview and his explanation on the creation of said track
@@sagicornicusstarcrasher2766 Absolutely! I love me some Zepp, since I was a wee one, parents have a ton of live footage and bootlegs, it was in one of those that they explained a bunch of things, and de-mystified some others, that I learned these things. can't remember the name of it but it was actually the band answering the questions, so I always felt like it was the legit info you know!
Jimmy page hands down. Jimmy was a genius. He forever changed the way music was written,produced, performed,and recorded. Jimmy not only played. But he also built the first distortion box.the WA WA pedal. And the phaser. He was the first person to play with a violin bow. He has Gibson build him a custom double neck guitar. So he could use it to play live songs that in the studio he had used a combination of 6 and 12 string guitars.He modified a 1930's Theramin to use on Whole latta love. He never played the same lead the same in live shows. Always ad-libbing making it up as the song progressed. He could play every type of music. From Classical acustica to fast and hard electric using effect pedals that he had made. He produced every album and did things in the studio that had never been done. Like reverse echo.Ghosting, channel fading. Over dubbing. Recording on 8 and 16 tracks. A true masterful musician. So really there is no comparison to anyone. It is simple to hear a sound and to try and duplicate it. But to be the first person to have the ideas and visions, then to recorded it , composed it, played it and produced it. Jimmy page has influenced every band that followed. There are guitar players that are more precise and technical. But none whole had the impact that Jimmy had. For that reason he will always be the greatest guitarists with the greatest band to ever grace the stage.
Better check again Brother, Hendrix, was the Father of many Guitar effects.. Listen to Rainy Day Dream Away off of the album Electric Ladyland... Page is awesome but, no Hendrix....
This was the first Zeppelin song I'd ever heard, at 15 years old. A friend brought the album over, and within the first 30 seconds I was hooked. I'll never forget my reaction..."Who *are* these guys!?" They grabbed my ears right then and there and have never let go, not even after 50 years. Great video guys, well done. 😎
I am 37. I grew up listening to my father's old vinyls. But I didn't get into Zeppelin until I was in my early 20s.... There's nothing that they can't do. You really need to just listen to all their albums from the start.
Guess what? The main riff to this song was written by the band's bass player John Paul Jones. He also played the other instruments on the zeppelin songs like recorder (think Stairway to Heaven) organ (Since I've Been Loving You), synthesizer (No Quarter), mandolin (Going to California). His genius was hidden in plain sight.
No one person has changed the art of guitar playing , producing and arranging as much as James Patrick Page !!! I have lived in this era and when Zeppelin hit guitarist around this planet had an awakening . No one sounded like them. They couldnt keep up with public demand where ever they went . This band was Jimmys vision . Page is the most prolific axeman of his time , never resting , always changing. From Zep 1 to In Through The Out Door its all there for the taking … the journey that is Mr. Page !!!
If you want to hear the more psychedelic songs from Zeppelin, you gotta listen to No Quarter, In the Light, or Dazed and Confused. Though they had several songs that certainly could be considered psychedelic I wouldn't classify them in that genre. They were more bluesy hard rock than psychedelic IMHO, though they went through their phases, as other bands did.
Zeppelin predates Sabbath (Sabbath "borrowed" from Zep's song Communication Breakdown for their song Paranoid) and was considered hard rock/heavy blues, and while Zeppelin were not considered metal, Zeppelin, Sabbath, and Deep Purple were called the "unholy trinity of British hard rock and heavy metal" and the three are considered to be the forefathers of metal. The title comes from a black Labrador Retriever who used to wander around the grounds of the place where Zep was recording this album. Bassist John Paul Jones came up with the riff and the start/stop song structure is based off Fleetwood Mac's song Oh Well. Other duos I can think of are Toxic Twins Steve Perry and Steven Tyler and Keef Richards and Mick Jagger.
Page was one of the busiest session guitarists in London in the sixties. He worked with top producers and artists, so he was well educated by the time he joined Led Zeppelin. Before that he was with The Yardbirds, and the John Mayall Blues Band, but when he came to form Zeppelin he knew what he wanted. He found it. BTW, "Black Dog" is another word for depression. Page is the top, the best.
What sets Zeppelin apart from the other bands was their versatility. They changed their sound completely after having massive success with a certain style. It takes balls to do that. Zeppelin played what they liked and didn't follow trends. They set trends. They were their own genre
Also, the way JPJ and John Bonham pull the rhythm ever so slightly back, like they set up a beat and almost dare each other to drop slightly behind the tempo and that sets up a constant anxiety within the structure of the songs and how they're performed/delivered.
If you ever have time, check out the special "It might get loud" featuring Page, Jack White and The Edge from U2... They all have different styles, but we're all self created.... incredible documentary!
When we're talking Page, Hendrix, Gilmore and Iommi it's apples and oranges. It's like a Tool song, the one you're listening to at the moment is your favorite.
Page was playing as a session musician when he was 16 years old in the yearly 60s. He played with The Yardbirds In the late 60s and then formed Led Zeppelin in 1968. Black Sabbath was formed in Birmingham in 1968.
Fun fact: The phrase 'heavy metal' was used for the first time in "Born To Be Wild" by Steppenwolf. The song was released in 1968. Therefore, at least in my mind, if 'heavy metal' music existed before 1968, they wouldn't have called it that.
Before you make your decision you have to watch DAZED AND CONFUSED LIVE IN MADISON SQUARE GARDEN 1973. YOU WON'T FIND ANYTHING ON RUclips AS EPIC. Do the 28:57 version.
Led zepplin are usually considered the godfathers of metal from their attitude when it came to playing the music, black sabath went ahead and created the sound of metal when Tony their guitarist lost the tips of his fingers due to an accident at work, after coming home from the hospital he melted Down dish soap bottles and created new finger tips for himself but found he couldn't hold down the tightened guitar strings the tips would slip and jump, so he lowered the tension on the strings retuned the guitar and that is how he stumbled upon the deeper darker metal sound. Their vocalist at the time was not happy with the new direction the band decided to peruse so they put up posters looking to recruit a new vocalist. Cue ozzy turning up with his pet shoe to the audition. Yes a pet shoe........
So, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath are known as the triangle that is the fathers of metal as we know it today. Later came the new british wave of heavy metal (NBWOHM) which included Iron Maiden, etc
You 2 remind me of my brothers rockn out to this in the mid 70's. One became a drummer, the other a guitarist, I play keys. Thanks for digging this so much.
Fun story, when my youngest was 9, he spent the afternoon after church with a family we attend services with. When the other Dad was driving my son home he had one of the local Rock stations playing. Imagine the Dad’s surprise when my 9 year old heard Robert start to sing, and asked excitedly, “Quick, turn this up! It’s Black Dog!” That’s my boy!
Since so much of the Zep experience is the onstage charisma and improvisation that goes on……watching them live is so much fun. Watch Whole Lotta Love from MSG 1973. Black Dog from that concert is fun too…
All of the great bands of the day, their music directly gave birth to "metal." I think Black Sabbath was the "advent" of metal officially. Many of the old bands here are blues based, along with other genres. Zeppelin, Cream, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Allman Brothers, Jimi Hendrix, many more. There's a lot of guitarists that are in contention besides Tommy Iommi though. Jimi, Jeff Beck, Clapton, Alex Lifeson, Randy Rhodes, others.
Plant and Page worked well together, but this band is more about how all four worked together. They naturally did things so that the parts didn't "step on" each other. Jones and Bonham were the best Rhythm Section in all of Rock n' Roll, IMO. 😳🤯
I'm here to read the MF's that called Jimmy "overrated"... PS: Led Zeppelin put 2 records before Sabbath, plus Jimmy and JPJ were already consolidated musicians in England
Mick Jagger & Keith Richards Brian May & Freddie Mercury Steve Perry & Neal Schon Eddie Van Halen & David Lee Roth Ozzy & Tony Iommi Joe Perry & Steven Tyler Ian Gillan & Ritchie Blackmore Axl Rose & Slash Kirk Hammet & James Hetfield Layne Staley & Jerry Cantrell LEGENDS! 🤘🎸
Agree with all except for a queen but I’m just not a fan. With that being said I can still respect the talent they had, just not a fan of the style I guess.
Although his music is too eclectic for most people, Frank Zappa is often overlooked as a master guitarist/composer. Even the great Steve Vai, who mentored under Zappa, stated he could never keep up.
I would say that JPJ is the glue who hold it all together. The literal driving force onstage is Bonham’s drumming….the figurative driving force of Zeppelin was Page, since it was his vision, and he formed the band and picked the members and produced all the albums.
This is my first Led Zeppelin song I heard when my 6th grade science teacher made me a dub tape of Led Zeppelin IV. The rest is history, by 8th grade I was making him a dub tape of Nirvana's Nevermind.
NO ONE IS BETTER THAN ANYONE. They all were soooo talented. Just a matter of taste. Damm, we rockers from that day hate this, WHO'S THE BEST THIS AND THAT. UGHHH Just enjoy our Generations amazing music.
In my opinion, Zeppelin and Sabbath are on different branches of the genre. One is more rock oriented and the other is metal. Can't compare the two except to say that one type is liked better than the other. Just my opinion. Page created so many rock solos as a first, and Iommi created every metal riff you can imagine. They were the first to do both. They are equally great at what they do. And what they do is different from each other. Do I make sense? Or did I just "ramble on" ? 🤣
Eric Clapton, Lead Guitar and Vocalist: Jack Bruce, Bass Guitar and Lead Vocalist: From late Sixties Rock group Cream with the GREAT Ginger Baker on the drums! Bruce and Baker never got along. Group formed in 1966 and agreed to break up in May of 1968 but were persuaded to do a farewell tour. One stop was in October 1968 at the Anaheim Convention Center across from Disneyland. I grew up in Anaheim, graduated in 68’, worked at Disneyland, and took my girlfriend to that Cream concert. It was FANTASTIC!!! Also discovered the group that opened the show for them. Three Dog Night. Cream put out 4 albums with their last one being released after they had broken up. Try ‘Sunshine of Your Love’ from their Disraeli Gears album. The Wheels of Fire album is a 2 disc set and has MANY great songs! Try ‘Crossroads’, ‘Traintime’, ‘White Room’, and if you live drums, Ginger Baker’s drum solo’Toad’. This is the link to the live version that’s on the album. Toad: ruclips.net/video/I6lZ7EoWWjk/видео.html
@@jfeelix91 I suppose we can agree to disagree on how to measure a guitarist's talent. All of the great ones borrow liberally from others, in my experience.
There's a different in like being influenced by others work and using that to create ur own original content but Page Straight up took other little known blues artists work and called it his own that's just disrespectful in my opinion
@@jfeelix91 while he certainly did plagiarize lyrics, and that's not cool, it doesn't change the fact that Page and Zeppelin as a whole took those songs to a whole new level. The songs were just sonically, completely different and with really high flying guitar work from Page. And besides, stealing from other artists is in the DNA of blues music. Early Zep was absolutely a blues band and plenty of the music they stole was probably stolen before them too. People are only salty about it nowadays because they took music that was never too popular outside a small population and turned it into a worldwide phenomenon.
I had the Zoso Hermit from Hollywood's shirt penciled on my bdrm wall as a teen, but we moved b4 many mom & I finished painting it. My mom had awesomely drawn it in art class in the late 70s too.
Led Zeppelin really weren't Psychedelic actually. Jimmy Page's previous band The Yardbirds were, but not Zeppelin. They had a few interludes during songs that were sort of experimental and psychedelic, but their music was more for young sober (or at least drunk) fans than drugged out club goers which is what the Psychedelic scene mostly played to. On top of that, Zeppelin are largely credited as originators and pioneers of Heavy Metal. There were really 3 bands that were considered the Unholy Trinity of Metal in the early 1970s: Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, and Deep Purple. Compared to other Hard Rock bands at the time, these three were the heaviest out there which is why they are all considered the originators of Metal. Some people will say only Sabbath were the true Metal band of the time, but I think that's only if you're comparing more recent Metal to them and saying they sound more like modern Metal than say Zeppelin or Purple. However, people forget that Metal existed in the 1970s too with Judas Priest and Rainbow, who sounded much more like Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple at the time (the latter of both having guitarist Ritchie Blackmore). Metal in the 1970s was mostly just more intense Hard Rock. Retrospectively, we view Led Zeppelin in the same boat as the Hard Rock of the 1980s such as AC/DC and Van Halen, but given they had that sound in 1969 when the hardest Rock was Steppenwolf and Cream, it was very much considered something very different and heavier. As a result, many Metal bands that followed immediately afterwards still considered Zeppelin to be their main influence, some even more than Sabbath, because in their mind, they both invented Metal. They just invented two different distinct parts to it. The dark, cultish, and thick distorted guitars of Black Sabbath and the powerful, lively, and complex beats of Led Zeppelin.
Sweet! I have the "Swan Song" tattooed on my shoulder. It was my first tattoo. I got it at Rocket Ricks Tattoo studio in Columbus Ga in 1989' on a pass from Basic training at Ft Benning.
I like how much y’all have learned about different genres of music and have actual knowledge about the band you are talking about when you had never even heard of them a few years ago.
if you haven't checked out their song - whole lotta love. it's kinda similar but different. you guys'll be bopping around the same way. page is definitely better then iommi, always been, always will be.
In reference to Black Sabbath, before they were Sabbath, Ozzy and Toni formed a psychedelic band called Earth. Towards end of 69 one of the members had a very horrifying dream and Ozzy made it into a song...hence Black Sabbath and then later made the name of the band as well.
Tony Iommi has his own place in rock history. The last day he worked in a factory, he amputated the tips of 2 of his fingers on his feet hand. He created his own prosthetics to be able to play guitar again.
Tyler and Perry (Aerosmith) Osborne and Rhoads (Ozzy Osborne) Jagger and Richards (The Rolling Stones) McCoy and Monroe (Hanoi Rocks) Mercury and May (Queen) Daltrey and Townshend (The Who)
I'm with you Hollywood Watters and Gilmore are definitely an amazing duo but Pink Floyd as a whole is leaps and bounds above the norm. You take Watters and Gilmore and add their drummer Nick Mason and Richard Wright who is their keyboardist/vocalist/pretty much anything else they needed and you've got the Pink Floyd experience because they are truly more than just a band.
A guitarist that Hendrix had nothing but praise for that y'all probably never heard of is Terry Kath of Chicago. You need to react to 25 or 6 to 4, and hold onto your hat for his guitar solo.
Big legged 59 year old woman here who's been listening to Zeppelin since the beginning. It's true. We have no soul, so we'll take yours out and play with it.
The most iconic duo would have to be John Lennon and Paul McCartney. It pains me that you guys won't be able to do most of The Beatles' greatest works (which is almost everything they've ever written) here on RUclips due to Copyright. Some songs will be fine, usually if you dispute the claims, but Sony owns their publishing rights and has a strict hold on their music. Needless to say, there's a reason many consider The Beatles to be the Greatest Band of All Time, and John and Paul were the main reasons why. They are literally the most cherished and loved songwriting duo in music and their songs have been covered more than anyone else. And that's just scratching the surface of what makes them so great.
Guess what guy’s! LED ZEPPELIN made a movie! The Song Remains the Same is the title. They have the album named this also. No, it’s not a concert movie but there is concert footage throughout. It’s a must see if you like the band.
Amazing bass and lead guitar totally in sync with one another, most times a bass is in sync with the drummer, but bass and lead guitar in sync is phenomenal 👏, and my choice is pete Townsend and Roger Daltrey
The song was called black dog because of a black dog that hung about the grounds of Headley grange (incidentally only a few miles from where I currently live) where they recorded the track (amongst many others). Great reaction & great honesty too ;-)….. check out ‘Black country women’ or ‘ten years gone’ off the album, ‘Physical graffiti’ …. You won’t be sorry ;-)
The "Black Dog" originally in Celtic folklore was a harbinger of death. If you saw the "Black Dog", you could expect death to come for you before the end of the next day. What is posted in the post below I can buy into where there was a stray Lab that hung around the studio where the band was recording the album & when with Black Dog when they didn't have a title for the track yet. I remember hearing that bit of trivia ages ago during an interview before one of their tours, crap, back in the early '80s I think. Zep has been rock for a Loooonnnnngggggg time & has a ton of history behind them. I have to agree with Smokey on Pink Floyd being the biggest competition to Zep for the top pole position in the Rock hierarchy. Stevie Ray Vaughn & Jimmy Hendrix both may have done more to influence guitar players in the last sixty some odd years, & that is a BIG maybe, but Pink Floyd & Led Zeppelin have influenced music as a whole more than any other group in that time frame, to this day.
Ok, here’s the deal about LED ZEPPELIN. You can pick any song off any album and it’s going to be good. Some are more powerful than others but it’s all good. 10 albums. Take your pick. They are one of those bands that you need to hear everything that they did. Ask any other classic Rock band or ANY band for that matter, who is better than them. I’m not counting the BEATLES because they are separate from everyone. They are their own galaxy. So ZEPPELIN is number one in a lot of people’s eyes. My favorite band. The first album is in my opinion, is the best Rock record of all time. Their bluesiest record for sure. Undisputed best. They have some heavy, trippy music for stoners. They dabbled in so many different music styles. They even have a country song! Hot Dog off of the Coda record. I could tell you so much about these guys. I saw Robert Plant solo with his band 6 times. He did some excellent, unexpected ZEPPELIN songs in concert. Monster band!
Let's also not forget: Jeff Beck Ritchie Blackmore Pete Townshend Paul Kossoff Frank Zappa Jan Akkerman Robby Krieger Duane Allman Joe Walsh Michael Schenker Billy Gibbons Ted Nugent Alex Lifeson Angus Young Joe Perry Randy Bachman Peter Frampton Ace Frehley
@@helenespaulding7562 Brian May is already in, I believe. Freddie Mercury, although an excellent musician in his own right was primarily a vocalist. Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple fame is widely considered one of the top 5 guitarists of the 70's. Check out Trash Talker's reaction of Rainbow - Stargazer and see for yourself.
As for Sabbath, they wanted to make "horror movies in musical form." That's why they sounded so different. As for creating metal, it should be partially attributed to Zeppelin, Sabbath, and Deep Purple. They all made hard rock in the late 60s and early 70s.
If you guys are interested in knowing more history about Led Zeppelin there is a book out called hammer of the gods. And it is pretty interesting it has kind of a history of how they started and the print prints they pulled when they were on tour and just kinda how their life was when they were becoming so famous
Plant and Page are the ultimate rock duo for several reasons; They were magnificent collaborators in songwriting 2) they were both hugely charismatic onstage 3) They improvised off of each other on the fly and were in total sync They also used “ call and response” 4) Plant often used his voice as an instrument to add additional atmosphere to a song
Jimmy Page, hands down. If you haven’t seen his solo on Stairway live you owe yourselves ✌️
Duane Allman and it isn't even close!
@@ljnv6570 Not!
No one beat jimmy at fingering a fretboard
this riff was actually created by John Paul Jones, who definitely be in the greatest bassists of the 70’s and before. he’s probably the most underrated musician there is in my opinion. bass, keyboards, mandolin, acoustic guitar, mellotron, on and on and on.
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You re right...on all accounts!
JPJ is THE greatest bassist ever lol. Jimmy Page said he is the most naturally gifted musician he’s ever seen…….
Yes Mr. Ladd John Paul'Jones never got do Recognition for his Place in the Band (His Quarter) the other 3'Quarters of the Band for their Instrument was Equal in Calaber and that's what made (LED🌎ZEPPELIN) so "Grand" he just stayed out of the Limelight of the "Press" and Such he wanted to Walk the Streets and not "BEE" Poked at and He Did 🌎 and Does 🌀
And went on to an interesting solo career after Zeppelin…and was and is in various collaborations: Them Crooked Vultures with Dave Grohl, and Black Country with Joe Bonamassa. He’s also underrated as a witty funny guy. You should watch him on the clip of him, Page and Plant on the David Letterman show in 2012 after the Kennedy Center Honors celebration.
Also, Black Dog was a challenge of sorts for the band. The bassist made a bass line that was nearly impossible to follow. Yet they crafted this masterpiece around that bass line and crushed it.
kinda, he brought the original bass line in written in 3/16 time, which no one can really jam musically, so they adjusted the time signature, and then fleshed out the rest of the song...that is from a John Paul Jones interview and his explanation on the creation of said track
@@iplaybass6690 interesting... Very cool!!! Thanks for the revision :)
@@sagicornicusstarcrasher2766 Absolutely! I love me some Zepp, since I was a wee one, parents have a ton of live footage and bootlegs, it was in one of those that they explained a bunch of things, and de-mystified some others, that I learned these things. can't remember the name of it but it was actually the band answering the questions, so I always felt like it was the legit info you know!
Sure did!!
Jimmy page hands down. Jimmy was a genius. He forever changed the way music was written,produced, performed,and recorded. Jimmy not only played. But he also built the first distortion box.the WA WA pedal. And the phaser. He was the first person to play with a violin bow. He has Gibson build him a custom double neck guitar. So he could use it to play live songs that in the studio he had used a combination of 6 and 12 string guitars.He modified a 1930's Theramin to use on Whole latta love. He never played the same lead the same in live shows. Always ad-libbing making it up as the song progressed. He could play every type of music. From Classical acustica to fast and hard electric using effect pedals that he had made. He produced every album and did things in the studio that had never been done. Like reverse echo.Ghosting, channel fading. Over dubbing. Recording on 8 and 16 tracks. A true masterful musician.
So really there is no comparison to anyone. It is simple to hear a sound and to try and duplicate it. But to be the first person to have the ideas and visions, then to recorded it , composed it, played it and produced it. Jimmy page has influenced every band that followed. There are guitar players that are more precise and technical. But none whole had the impact that Jimmy had. For that reason he will always be the greatest guitarists with the greatest band to ever grace the stage.
Absolutely agree, Page was a genius.
Opinions vary.
Better check again Brother, Hendrix, was the Father of many Guitar effects.. Listen to Rainy Day Dream Away off of the album Electric Ladyland... Page is awesome but, no Hendrix....
How about some love for John Paul Jones on bass?? Playing right along with Jimi ....bringing the funk.
Him and bonzo were some the best rhythm section ever.
Jimmy Page is the piper, he's calling you to join him...
Yes he is!
Tony Iommi was the Riff Meister. But Jimmy Page is the Maestro.
Love Tony but Jimmy all day. He is at the top of the pyramid of guitar god glory!
This was the first Zeppelin song I'd ever heard, at 15 years old. A friend brought the album over, and within the first 30 seconds I was hooked. I'll never forget my reaction..."Who *are* these guys!?" They grabbed my ears right then and there and have never let go, not even after 50 years. Great video guys, well done. 😎
I am 37. I grew up listening to my father's old vinyls. But I didn't get into Zeppelin until I was in my early 20s.... There's nothing that they can't do. You really need to just listen to all their albums from the start.
Love it! Watching you two react to Zepplin. The Kings of Rock!!❤
Zeppelin and Sabbath evolved through the years. Love 'em both.
Guess what? The main riff to this song was written by the band's bass player John Paul Jones. He also played the other instruments on the zeppelin songs like recorder (think Stairway to Heaven) organ (Since I've Been Loving You), synthesizer (No Quarter), mandolin (Going to California). His genius was hidden in plain sight.
Page is the best. He is the riff master and has his own feel. He can play over anything and you know its page.
No one person has changed the art of guitar playing , producing and arranging as much as James Patrick Page !!! I have lived in this era and when Zeppelin hit guitarist around this planet had an awakening . No one sounded like them. They couldnt keep up with public demand where ever they went . This band was Jimmys vision . Page is the most prolific axeman of his time , never resting , always changing. From Zep 1 to In Through The Out Door its all there for the taking … the journey that is Mr. Page !!!
if your doing led zeppelin you need to do dazed and confused this song is great but dazed is so much better imo
Specially those drums on that song!!! Inocikismmm!
What?? Black Dog is such a smoker and full of attitude… but to each their own man
If you want to hear the more psychedelic songs from Zeppelin, you gotta listen to No Quarter, In the Light, or Dazed and Confused. Though they had several songs that certainly could be considered psychedelic I wouldn't classify them in that genre. They were more bluesy hard rock than psychedelic IMHO, though they went through their phases, as other bands did.
Zeppelin predates Sabbath (Sabbath "borrowed" from Zep's song Communication Breakdown for their song Paranoid) and was considered hard rock/heavy blues, and while Zeppelin were not considered metal, Zeppelin, Sabbath, and Deep Purple were called the "unholy trinity of British hard rock and heavy metal" and the three are considered to be the forefathers of metal. The title comes from a black Labrador Retriever who used to wander around the grounds of the place where Zep was recording this album. Bassist John Paul Jones came up with the riff and the start/stop song structure is based off Fleetwood Mac's song Oh Well. Other duos I can think of are Toxic Twins Steve Perry and Steven Tyler and Keef Richards and Mick Jagger.
They both started in 1968.
Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin share the same traits that make a great rock band.....the singers sing like ghosts wailing.
Page was one of the busiest session guitarists in London in the sixties. He worked with top producers and artists, so he was well educated by the time he joined Led Zeppelin. Before that he was with The Yardbirds, and the John Mayall Blues Band, but when he came to form Zeppelin he knew what he wanted. He found it. BTW, "Black Dog" is another word for depression. Page is the top, the best.
What sets Zeppelin apart from the other bands was their versatility. They changed their sound completely after having massive success with a certain style. It takes balls to do that. Zeppelin played what they liked and didn't follow trends. They set trends. They were their own genre
They never wrote a bad song. ❤️🎼🤘😎
Page all the way. Technical genius and an amazing producer.
There was a black dog who hung around Hedley Grange when they were recordingZeppelin IV. Robert said he fed it occasionally.
Also, the way JPJ and John Bonham pull the rhythm ever so slightly back, like they set up a beat and almost dare each other to drop slightly behind the tempo and that sets up a constant anxiety within the structure of the songs and how they're performed/delivered.
If you ever have time, check out the special "It might get loud" featuring Page, Jack White and The Edge from U2... They all have different styles, but we're all self created.... incredible documentary!
Jack White
@@joshcopley9039 LOL, Thanks, I just noticed that typo! I will fix it!
Jimmy Page’s riffs were just on another level!! Led Zep is one of the best to do it!
When we're talking Page, Hendrix, Gilmore and Iommi it's apples and oranges. It's like a Tool song, the one you're listening to at the moment is your favorite.
TRY - “HOW MANY MORE TIMES “ then y’all get it!!! That guitar work it’s just out this world!!!
Page was playing as a session musician when he was 16 years old in the yearly 60s. He played with The Yardbirds
In the late 60s and then formed Led Zeppelin in 1968. Black Sabbath was formed in Birmingham in 1968.
Fun fact: The phrase 'heavy metal' was used for the first time in "Born To Be Wild" by Steppenwolf. The song was released in 1968. Therefore, at least in my mind, if 'heavy metal' music existed before 1968, they wouldn't have called it that.
Yes Jimmy is the number one guitar god and still a kick ass producer .
Before you make your decision you have to watch
DAZED AND CONFUSED LIVE IN MADISON SQUARE GARDEN 1973. YOU WON'T FIND ANYTHING ON RUclips AS EPIC. Do the 28:57 version.
Oh God yes!! I've seen only 3 reactors actually do the 28 minutes...they were speechless!!
Jimmy Page
Tony Iommi
Richie Blackmore
The Trinity of the Riff
Led zepplin are usually considered the godfathers of metal from their attitude when it came to playing the music, black sabath went ahead and created the sound of metal when Tony their guitarist lost the tips of his fingers due to an accident at work, after coming home from the hospital he melted Down dish soap bottles and created new finger tips for himself but found he couldn't hold down the tightened guitar strings the tips would slip and jump, so he lowered the tension on the strings retuned the guitar and that is how he stumbled upon the deeper darker metal sound. Their vocalist at the time was not happy with the new direction the band decided to peruse so they put up posters looking to recruit a new vocalist. Cue ozzy turning up with his pet shoe to the audition. Yes a pet shoe........
Is Jimmy Page better than Tony Iommi? Yes. Answered for you
You can say you like someone better, but you can’t just straight up compare musicians, especially from different genres.
Jimmy Page has all his fingertips.
No
Technically yes.....but who had more impact? Beginning of doom and stoner metal ??? My favorite genres....so Toni Iommi....
Led Zeppelin is GOD SEED music for Heavy Metal 🤘
So, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath are known as the triangle that is the fathers of metal as we know it today. Later came the new british wave of heavy metal (NBWOHM) which included Iron Maiden, etc
You got it.
I believe the term most often used is “trinity “…not triangle. But I understand that some have religious objections to using that term.
You 2 remind me of my brothers rockn out to this in the mid 70's. One became a drummer, the other a guitarist, I play keys. Thanks for digging this so much.
Fun story, when my youngest was 9, he spent the afternoon after church with a family we attend services with. When the other Dad was driving my son home he had one of the local Rock stations playing. Imagine the Dad’s surprise when my 9 year old heard Robert start to sing, and asked excitedly, “Quick, turn this up! It’s Black Dog!” That’s my boy!
Check the song In My Time of Dying Live in 1975 to see Page at the height of his powers.
As great as Tony is Jimmy is just the goat. And zep are the best band ever too
This is actually a great LZ song to use when comparing to Black Sabbath! But Jimmy Page wins by a landslide, IMO.
I don’t compare them. They all do what they do better than anyone.
Well said!
Since so much of the Zep experience is the onstage charisma and improvisation that goes on……watching them live is so much fun. Watch Whole Lotta Love from MSG 1973. Black Dog from that concert is fun too…
Communication Breakdown is another song you have to check out!!🎧🎶🔥
All of the great bands of the day, their music directly gave birth to "metal." I think Black Sabbath was the "advent" of metal officially. Many of the old bands here are blues based, along with other genres. Zeppelin, Cream, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Allman Brothers, Jimi Hendrix, many more. There's a lot of guitarists that are in contention besides Tommy Iommi though. Jimi, Jeff Beck, Clapton, Alex Lifeson, Randy Rhodes, others.
Plant and Page worked well together, but this band is more about how all four worked together.
They naturally did things so that the parts didn't "step on" each other.
Jones and Bonham were the best Rhythm Section in all of Rock n' Roll, IMO. 😳🤯
I don’t think you’ve done “down by the seaside” yet. It’s off physical graffiti. One of my favorites for sure. 🎉🎉
I'm here to read the MF's that called Jimmy "overrated"...
PS: Led Zeppelin put 2 records before Sabbath, plus Jimmy and JPJ were already consolidated musicians in England
Jimmy is NOT overrated! You re right...he even produced all their albums...a true musical genius!
Mick Jagger & Keith Richards
Brian May & Freddie Mercury
Steve Perry & Neal Schon
Eddie Van Halen & David Lee Roth
Ozzy & Tony Iommi
Joe Perry & Steven Tyler
Ian Gillan & Ritchie Blackmore
Axl Rose & Slash
Kirk Hammet & James Hetfield
Layne Staley & Jerry Cantrell
LEGENDS! 🤘🎸
Agree with all except for a queen but I’m just not a fan. With that being said I can still respect the talent they had, just not a fan of the style I guess.
Although his music is too eclectic for most people, Frank Zappa is often overlooked as a master guitarist/composer. Even the great Steve Vai, who mentored under Zappa, stated he could never keep up.
All of the band members are phenomenal but JPJ is the driving force of the band. ✌
I would say that JPJ is the glue who hold it all together. The literal driving force onstage is Bonham’s drumming….the figurative driving force of Zeppelin was Page, since it was his vision, and he formed the band and picked the members and produced all the albums.
ZEP, FLOYD, TOOL are my top 3. 🤯
Jimmy Page 💯 always and forever
And every musician playing at different time signatures ...Jimmy page is better than every other guitar player, and he produced everything baby!
This is my first Led Zeppelin song I heard when my 6th grade science teacher made me a dub tape of Led Zeppelin IV. The rest is history, by 8th grade I was making him a dub tape of Nirvana's Nevermind.
NO ONE IS BETTER THAN ANYONE. They all were soooo talented. Just a matter of taste. Damm, we rockers from that day hate this, WHO'S THE BEST THIS AND THAT. UGHHH Just enjoy our Generations amazing music.
In my opinion, Zeppelin and Sabbath are on different branches of the genre. One is more rock oriented and the other is metal. Can't compare the two except to say that one type is liked better than the other. Just my opinion. Page created so many rock solos as a first, and Iommi created every metal riff you can imagine. They were the first to do both. They are equally great at what they do. And what they do is different from each other. Do I make sense? Or did I just "ramble on" ? 🤣
Eric Clapton, Lead Guitar and Vocalist: Jack Bruce, Bass Guitar and Lead Vocalist: From late Sixties Rock group Cream with the GREAT Ginger Baker on the drums! Bruce and Baker never got along. Group formed in 1966 and agreed to break up in May of 1968 but were persuaded to do a farewell tour. One stop was in October 1968 at the Anaheim Convention Center across from Disneyland. I grew up in Anaheim, graduated in 68’, worked at Disneyland, and took my girlfriend to that Cream concert. It was FANTASTIC!!! Also discovered the group that opened the show for them. Three Dog Night. Cream put out 4 albums with their last one being released after they had broken up. Try ‘Sunshine of Your Love’ from their Disraeli Gears album. The Wheels of Fire album is a 2 disc set and has MANY great songs! Try ‘Crossroads’, ‘Traintime’, ‘White Room’, and if you live drums, Ginger Baker’s drum solo’Toad’. This is the link to the live version that’s on the album. Toad: ruclips.net/video/I6lZ7EoWWjk/видео.html
Please react to Since I've Been Loving You for the next round. It's a Page masterpiece.
No disrespect to Tony Iommi, but he isn't on the same plane of existence as Jimmy Page.
No iommi is better cuz at least he was 100% original and never plagiarized other artists music
@@jfeelix91 I suppose we can agree to disagree on how to measure a guitarist's talent. All of the great ones borrow liberally from others, in my experience.
There's a different in like being influenced by others work and using that to create ur own original content but Page Straight up took other little known blues artists work and called it his own that's just disrespectful in my opinion
@@jfeelix91 Page never plagiarized guitar work it was the lyrics that were used
@@jfeelix91 while he certainly did plagiarize lyrics, and that's not cool, it doesn't change the fact that Page and Zeppelin as a whole took those songs to a whole new level. The songs were just sonically, completely different and with really high flying guitar work from Page.
And besides, stealing from other artists is in the DNA of blues music. Early Zep was absolutely a blues band and plenty of the music they stole was probably stolen before them too. People are only salty about it nowadays because they took music that was never too popular outside a small population and turned it into a worldwide phenomenon.
John Paul Jones wrote the riff in this tune, Page just took it to another level....
I never even heard of Led Zeppelin until I met my late husband. I was 36. This was in 1991. I'm 60 and I still listen to them.
I had the Zoso Hermit from Hollywood's shirt penciled on my bdrm wall as a teen, but we moved b4 many mom & I finished painting it. My mom had awesomely drawn it in art class in the late 70s too.
I had an artist sketch it for me and I framed it!
The name came about because a black Labrador dog kept wandering into the studio/house where they were recording this song… fact
Led Zeppelin really weren't Psychedelic actually. Jimmy Page's previous band The Yardbirds were, but not Zeppelin. They had a few interludes during songs that were sort of experimental and psychedelic, but their music was more for young sober (or at least drunk) fans than drugged out club goers which is what the Psychedelic scene mostly played to.
On top of that, Zeppelin are largely credited as originators and pioneers of Heavy Metal. There were really 3 bands that were considered the Unholy Trinity of Metal in the early 1970s: Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, and Deep Purple. Compared to other Hard Rock bands at the time, these three were the heaviest out there which is why they are all considered the originators of Metal. Some people will say only Sabbath were the true Metal band of the time, but I think that's only if you're comparing more recent Metal to them and saying they sound more like modern Metal than say Zeppelin or Purple. However, people forget that Metal existed in the 1970s too with Judas Priest and Rainbow, who sounded much more like Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple at the time (the latter of both having guitarist Ritchie Blackmore).
Metal in the 1970s was mostly just more intense Hard Rock. Retrospectively, we view Led Zeppelin in the same boat as the Hard Rock of the 1980s such as AC/DC and Van Halen, but given they had that sound in 1969 when the hardest Rock was Steppenwolf and Cream, it was very much considered something very different and heavier. As a result, many Metal bands that followed immediately afterwards still considered Zeppelin to be their main influence, some even more than Sabbath, because in their mind, they both invented Metal. They just invented two different distinct parts to it. The dark, cultish, and thick distorted guitars of Black Sabbath and the powerful, lively, and complex beats of Led Zeppelin.
Sweet! I have the "Swan Song" tattooed on my shoulder. It was my first tattoo. I got it at Rocket Ricks Tattoo studio in Columbus Ga in 1989' on a pass from Basic training at Ft Benning.
I have a Swan Song tattoo on my left shoulder, 2nd tat! Done in FayettevilleNC, while stationed at Ft Bragg lol GO Airborne, Go Zeppelin
The secret to that tube is the time signature clash between drums in 4/4 and gtr riff in 3/4…creates tension
I like how much y’all have learned about different genres of music and have actual knowledge about the band you are talking about when you had never even heard of them a few years ago.
if you haven't checked out their song - whole lotta love. it's kinda similar but different. you guys'll be bopping around the same way. page is definitely better then iommi, always been, always will be.
I'm only going to say Jimmy Page on guitar and John Bonham on those drums baybee..Nuff said! ❤❤❤❤
Don’t forget David Gilmore in your voting….😂
In reference to Black Sabbath, before they were Sabbath, Ozzy and Toni formed a psychedelic band called Earth. Towards end of 69 one of the members had a very horrifying dream and Ozzy made it into a song...hence Black Sabbath and then later made the name of the band as well.
Tony Iommi has his own place in rock history. The last day he worked in a factory, he amputated the tips of 2 of his fingers on his feet hand. He created his own prosthetics to be able to play guitar again.
Tyler and Perry (Aerosmith)
Osborne and Rhoads (Ozzy Osborne)
Jagger and Richards (The Rolling Stones)
McCoy and Monroe (Hanoi Rocks)
Mercury and May (Queen)
Daltrey and Townshend (The Who)
I'm with you Hollywood Watters and Gilmore are definitely an amazing duo but Pink Floyd as a whole is leaps and bounds above the norm. You take Watters and Gilmore and add their drummer Nick Mason and Richard Wright who is their keyboardist/vocalist/pretty much anything else they needed and you've got the Pink Floyd experience because they are truly more than just a band.
Fun fact: there's no amp on that guitar! Jimmy recorded right into the mixing console, which is how he got that real raw, buzzing sound.
A guitarist that Hendrix had nothing but praise for that y'all probably never heard of is Terry Kath of Chicago. You need to react to 25 or 6 to 4, and hold onto your hat for his guitar solo.
Big legged 59 year old woman here who's been listening to Zeppelin since the beginning.
It's true. We have no soul, so we'll take yours out and play with it.
Jimmy plugged direct into the recording console for the outro solo and got even more presence off his guitar. :)
The most iconic duo would have to be John Lennon and Paul McCartney. It pains me that you guys won't be able to do most of The Beatles' greatest works (which is almost everything they've ever written) here on RUclips due to Copyright. Some songs will be fine, usually if you dispute the claims, but Sony owns their publishing rights and has a strict hold on their music. Needless to say, there's a reason many consider The Beatles to be the Greatest Band of All Time, and John and Paul were the main reasons why. They are literally the most cherished and loved songwriting duo in music and their songs have been covered more than anyone else. And that's just scratching the surface of what makes them so great.
Guess what guy’s! LED ZEPPELIN made a movie! The Song Remains the Same is the title. They have the album
named this also. No, it’s not a concert movie but there is concert footage throughout. It’s a must see if you like the band.
If you wanna hear heavier Led Zeppelin, Achilles Last Stand, The Wanton Song, and Immigrant Song are some of their heaviest!
mick jagger, and keith richards, roger daltry and pete townsend..there are tons of icons from that era
Listen to planet caravan by Sabbath, very psychedelic
Amazing bass and lead guitar totally in sync with one another, most times a bass is in sync with the drummer, but bass and lead guitar in sync is phenomenal 👏, and my choice is pete Townsend and Roger Daltrey
The song was called black dog because of a black dog that hung about the grounds of Headley grange (incidentally only a few miles from where I currently live) where they recorded the track (amongst many others). Great reaction & great honesty too ;-)….. check out ‘Black country women’ or ‘ten years gone’ off the album, ‘Physical graffiti’ …. You won’t be sorry ;-)
I love both bands, but comparing these two guitarists is like comparing apples to oranges.
I like the nuggets of wrestling info. I'm not very current but used to watch the animated series as a kid.
The "Black Dog" originally in Celtic folklore was a harbinger of death. If you saw the "Black Dog", you could expect death to come for you before the end of the next day. What is posted in the post below I can buy into where there was a stray Lab that hung around the studio where the band was recording the album & when with Black Dog when they didn't have a title for the track yet. I remember hearing that bit of trivia ages ago during an interview before one of their tours, crap, back in the early '80s I think. Zep has been rock for a Loooonnnnngggggg time & has a ton of history behind them. I have to agree with Smokey on Pink Floyd being the biggest competition to Zep for the top pole position in the Rock hierarchy. Stevie Ray Vaughn & Jimmy Hendrix both may have done more to influence guitar players in the last sixty some odd years, & that is a BIG maybe, but Pink Floyd & Led Zeppelin have influenced music as a whole more than any other group in that time frame, to this day.
If you want to rate Jimmy check out "Since I've Been Loving You" live at Madison Square Gardens 1973 😉
ok wait. dog
If Jimmy is better than Tony? Why is Sabbath even in the conversation? This is Black Dog!
Members of Zep and Sabbath used to hang out back then, even jammed together.
It's a tough one but Page just edges it.. Check dazed and Confused.. Guitar heaven
Ok, here’s the deal about LED ZEPPELIN. You can pick any song off any album and it’s going to be good.
Some are more powerful than others but it’s all good. 10 albums. Take your pick. They are one of those bands that you need to hear everything that they did. Ask any other classic Rock band or ANY band for that matter, who is better than them. I’m not counting the BEATLES because they are separate from everyone. They are their own galaxy. So ZEPPELIN is number one in a lot of people’s eyes. My favorite band. The first album is in my opinion, is the best Rock record of all time. Their bluesiest record for sure. Undisputed best. They have some heavy, trippy music for stoners. They dabbled in so many different music styles. They even have a country song!
Hot Dog off of the Coda record. I could tell you so much about these guys. I saw Robert Plant solo with his band 6 times. He did some excellent, unexpected ZEPPELIN songs in concert. Monster band!
Really can't go wrong with any Zepp song!
How can you have a pre-80's best guitarists competition without Keith Richards. 🤔
I tried to get them to include Terry Kath too but got lost in the crowd.
Let's also not forget:
Jeff Beck
Ritchie Blackmore
Pete Townshend
Paul Kossoff
Frank Zappa
Jan Akkerman
Robby Krieger
Duane Allman
Joe Walsh
Michael Schenker
Billy Gibbons
Ted Nugent
Alex Lifeson
Angus Young
Joe Perry
Randy Bachman
Peter Frampton
Ace Frehley
Blackmore?
How about Brian May and Freddie Mercury?
@@helenespaulding7562 Brian May is already in, I believe. Freddie Mercury, although an excellent musician in his own right was primarily a vocalist. Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple fame is widely considered one of the top 5 guitarists of the 70's. Check out Trash Talker's reaction of Rainbow - Stargazer and see for yourself.
As for Sabbath, they wanted to make "horror movies in musical form." That's why they sounded so different. As for creating metal, it should be partially attributed to Zeppelin, Sabbath, and Deep Purple. They all made hard rock in the late 60s and early 70s.
If you guys are interested in knowing more history about Led Zeppelin there is a book out called hammer of the gods. And it is pretty interesting it has kind of a history of how they started and the print prints they pulled when they were on tour and just kinda how their life was when they were becoming so famous