Those people that you say are most of taiwanese aren't even aware of what's behind the headlines and actually many are as blind as those vietnamese for Trump, this last election demonstrate that all what the current party said before was partly fake and misleading in order to push for their own agenda while ignoring the people cost of living and it was easy because young people in every part of the world think they are smart but in the end they themselves remember the past as being naive dumb kids, Taiwan future an only be decided after people get the facts without outsiders interference something that is imposible in the present time.
genuinely curious, does anyone in taiwan openly share the opposite view? like they feel not taiwanese but would prefer something else? if so, what are the other choises?
This is why it is a fallacy what the IOC says of keeping politics out of the Olympics. Once you put countries to compete against each other it is going to be political. The IOC knows it, they just mean, we don't want politics that affect our interests.
The Olympics literally started as a war skills competition. Just look at all the sports-- javelin throws, boxing, archery, and the most famous one, the marathon.
Do people not realize that *Taiwan's own government today is still Republic of CHINA, according to its own Constitution??* 😅 What is there to complain really... when the Taiwanese people themselves have not managed to change its own government's title and constitution, yet expect the rest of the world to recognize you differently, such as in the form of _Republic of Taiwan, which does not even exist in reality???_ It's kinda pointless then, isn't it? 😅😅
The Olympics do not exist in a politics free world. From an idealistic point of view, the stance you take as IOC should be one of compromise to let all athletes compete. That is not necessarily choosing a political side, that is making choices out of necessity.
I am Canadian and I have just recently gotten to know Taiwan more through their media. Their TV series and movies. I’ve listened to different actors explain or actually say where they’re from with regard to Taiwan. Followed the last election and saw how Taiwan is becoming more Taiwanese in their politics.. as an outsider, I don’t get to say how and when they get to choose their name that they use for the world. I can have an opinion however, I do believe that Taiwan through the latest election made it abundantly clear that they are Taiwanese and not people republic of China..
@@sensiblehk6859 DPP is a political party It's can't represent Taiwan So even DPP lost 2024 than the 2020 It's still doesn't mean Taiwan people want to be China.
Thinking as a nation of people, I agree with you on skipping until you can compete under the name you want. But as an individual athlete, the opportunity to compete in the Olympics may only come once in your lifetime so I would definitely understand wanting to compete under whatever flag you can. Thank you for the in-depth explanation!
Yeah. The olympics is an international event that very few elite atheletes may have a chance to compete in. They should definitely compete with whatever flag possible, because these people will always be regarded as Taiwanese atheletes regardless of the flag they unfortunately have to use. Much love to Taiwan, it's an awesome country.
@@123lien6 The decision until now about the wish of the people in Taiwan to join the United Nations has been decided based on The resolution (General Assembly Resolution 2758) mentioning that the government of China is the sole and legitimate Government and the position of the United Nations is that Taiwan is part of China.
@@PhilEdwardsInc I think that by competing it says to the world that they are a legitimate country and gives them visibility. China uses it's consiterable economic clout to invalidate Taiwan and force non recognition politically and events like the Olympics give an opportunity for Taiwan to present them selves to the world.
This video is amazingly edited. Everything is visually organized. When we talk about a boycott, we are also talking about athletes' livelihoods, careers, and dreams. Taiwanese athletes should continue to stand in the game with whatever name is given so the world can see how they are being bullied.
I should point out that until the 2020 Tokyo Olympics, China always translated Chinese Taipei as Zhonghua Taipei(Culturally). It wasn't until 2020 that they started translating Chinese Taipei as Zhongguo Taipei(Nationally).
you obviously know about this issue, but just since you're curious, I did find references to stuff as early as 2008, including at least some internal chinese use of Zhongguo. www.jstor.org/stable/20192198 (again, i say this with humility because anybody who was able to comment this obviously knows more than me, but i figured you'd be curious.)
@@PhilEdwardsInc I think you are right. I just checked the Chinese news from the 2004 Athens Olympics, and it was Zhongguo at that time. Even in the news a month before the 2008 Beijing Olympics, it was still Zhongguo, but in August, the translation suddenly changed to Zhonghua. An interesting fact is that during the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics, the commentary at the stadium used Zhonghua, while the TV commentary used Zhongguo.
@@firwok160 guys, I'm a Chinese living in mainland china, this zhongguo/zhonghua thing is pretty simple, the agreement is in English, as long as the english name of taiwan's Olympic team is 'chinese taipei' how to translate the name in the Chinese is up to both governments, officially in mainland china, in order to obey the 92 consensus the gov always translate the Chinese in Chinese Taipei to zhonghua, that's why in 08 Beijing Olympic, u can see it's zhonghua, but that's only an internal government rule, it's not a law, individual people include media (even state media) don't have to obey this rule, and it's not a international law nether, because as i said as long as the English name is Chinese Taipei, any translation is ok, as i understand in taiwannese media, people often call this team 'zhonghua dui'(chinese team)
As a Taiwanese, thank you for making this video. It broke our heart in the Paris Olympics to see all the flyers and banners with the word Taiwan on it, or map of Taiwan, or even Boba tea, taken away by force by Chinese people and the security. Is this the spirit of the Olympics?
bro you should read the Olympic rules. you are NOT suppose to bring ANY kind of banner. if someone bring a banner that say "Israel forver", "US number one", "I love French fries" they will also be remove. why? because there are 100s of language and no one knows if a banner is saying "death to america", so it just simple to ban all banner for the ease of the organiser maintaining a positive environment. it has nothing to do with Taiwan. you should do some research before making false accusation.
I think that you've sorta proven that it is worth it to stay in the Olympics. If they were not, we would not be talking about Taiwan. The fact is that they have limited leverage internationally, but drawing the attention of other free nations provides them more leverage against the PRC due to international backlash. Great video!
The “backlash” is only from people who are anti China to begin with Most people who are neutral and curious about the arrangement would look up the situation between the PRC and ROC and come to the conclusion that the PRC’s claim over Taiwan is legitimate
@AgakAgakEngineer No, these voices are not voices of those who anti-China. But against aggression and against the voices of war. We support merely participating in international affairs in the manner a nation should be,and to defend it with our own dignity.
I am from Taiwan, but I cannot acknowledge it loudly in the international community. This is because China exerts pressure and aggression to make it difficult for us to survive in the international community.
As a Taiwanese, I really appreciate this video and your work. 🙏🙏🙏 You explained everything in even more detail and more accurately than I could. Huge thanks! 🙏
Also to answer your question on what to choose, it is probably better to compete with the flawed name but smartly get countries to recognize that you are indeed Taiwanese (if that’s what they want)
@@astridchang704 While I am much more against corporate representation of LGBT (as far as using rainbow in their logos during Pride Month), many LGBT allies take it in a more positive view; the rainbow flag behind a corporate logo is irony and even contradictory, but it is SOME attention, better than no attention at all.
I'm absolutely sure that the average person will look at this and just think "oh, thats the other region from China" No average person would waste their time to even search this, they see "chinese", they think its from china.
@@LucaPedro Yes, but when your average person sees people with Taiwanese-related posters/flags being confiscated by event staff or Chinese spectators at the games, that can raise awareness regarding this issue and how abnormal it is.
I feel like it's worth competing under the odd banner because every Olympics it reminds the world of the strange situation the people of Taiwan have been forced into. People around the world would quickly forget that strife if they sat out.
If 'Taiwan would attend the Olympic Games' under its 'real' name: 'The Republic of China' , it would cause problems, because according to the current legal constitution of the Republic of China, the Taiwanese are Chinese and the whole China is its territory. There is no country named 'Taiwan' on this earth.
As a Taiwanese, I saw that at the Olympic Games, the Olympic staff did not allow us to bring the national flag into the venue, nor did they allow us to use the signs or words about Taiwan on the signboards. Even when we won the sport game, we were not allowed to play our national anthem. We could only use the national flag. Song instead, ridiculous !
Isn't Sun Yat-sen the father of your country? Wasn't Sun Yat-sen Chinese? Didn't Chiang Kai-shek also want one China? Why do Taiwanese go against the hospital of their ancestors, I don't understand
@@TylerGimson-se1pc Yes, he is Chinese and the father of our country. His ideal was to create a democratic country. But after the civil war, the Communist Party won, so the Communist Party stayed in China and supported democracy in defeat and went to Taiwan. ，After 80 years, Taiwan has become the democratic government that the founding fathers wanted to establish. But in reality, it is impossible to overthrow the CCP. All Taiwanese are not interested in Chinese land and only want to protect this small island that they worked so hard to build.
3:10 I think a lot of ppl who know momofuku ando invented instant ramen don't know that he was actually Chinese (ethnicity) Taiwanese (origin) Japanese (nationality). he actually renounced his Japanese citizenship when Taiwan stopped being a Japanese colony, but became a naturalized Japanese citizen in 1966.
Chinese isn't an ethnicity either. China is a multi-ethnic country, and all the so-called Chinese today once belonged to different minority groups with distinct languages and cultures. The word "Chinese" or its original meaning, "Zhonghua Minsu," was only coined in the 1920s by Liang Qichao for political unity. For example, the so-called Han ethnicity no longer exists in China as a pure group, as the Han is a mixture of various nomadic invaders throughout history and minorities from ancient Southeast Asia. Han Chinese today are mostly sinicized Chinese minorities. Both Taiwanese and Chinese refer to different nationalities, just as you wouldn't call any random white American British, German, or Irish unless they hyphenate themselves by their own choice. I've lived in both Taiwan and China for work, and no locals would call themselves Chinese unless they are pro-Communist or KMT immigrants from China. Momofuku Ando was born in Taiwan and has never visited China in his life. His family came from a well-off background and settled in Taiwan over 300 years ago. Modern China did not exist then; only the Manchurian Qing dynasty, which was a foreign coloniser.
Olympics is as much about Atheletes, as much as about country, and it would be unfair for athletes who trained their whole life to not compete or immigrate to another country to compete. Further while this whole name thing is a charade, this keeps what might be a trivia on minds of many, into an actual discussion on how petty and authoritarian China is. So I think they should.
This might show that the Chinese government is petty, but it doesn't show that it is authoritarian (even though it is authoritarian). A non-authoritarian country is also fully capable of doing the same.
Jensen Huang mentioned that he was born and raised in Taiwan and learned the character of humble, honesty, trustworthiness, and kindness for first. With this soul, he went to the United States to study and created Nvidia, and set up all its main factories in Taiwan. And choose reliable local companies in Taiwan to cooperate with. I am very grateful to Taiwan's character education for cultivating great people like Jensen Huang and allowing people in this world to have the best display card to drive our computers and AI. I really hope that the CCP will not occupy Taiwan, otherwise our display card will become...
I recently learned the story of Taiwan previously Formosa and I actually wondered where Taiwan was in the opening ceremony, so this makes total sense thanks for sharing!
it funny to claim China is "bullying" Taiwan when Taiwan is the one occupying territory in the mainland. it is amazing how the news never tell anyone that no? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinmen#/media/File:Nationalist_China_-_administrative_divisons._LOC_2007633622.jpg
If you really understand the history, you will find that some of the actions of the Taiwanese people are ridiculous, do not be brainwashed by Westerners and some Japanese Taiwanese, most of the Taiwanese people are from the mainland, when the Kuomintang defeated and took them away, Taiwan's founding father and Chiang Kai-shek adhere to the one China principle, and they are all mainland Chinese
I’m not Chinese, I have nothing to do with either country. My opinion is they definitely should not Boycott. You mentioned sitting out until you can choose your name, where I would say sitting out would mean you never will. In a game of perceived legitimacy, you must stay forward in people’s minds. Would it be best if the athletes got to choose the name they competed under, yes, but not compete at all as the alternative? I don’t think that would be fair and I definitely believe the CCP would see it as a major win.
Thank you and I agree with you that many Taiwanese athletes are working so hard to participate sport events, and not to mention that Olympic can be once of life time opportunity. That's why I respect my fellow Taiwanese being resilient and trying to survive among some unfriendly political environment.
As a Taiwanese, I recognize that it's not ideal but I'd rather the world have a chance to know of our existence than not at all. Props to the Taiwanese spectators who showed up at Paris in support of our athletes and especially to those who dared bring banners that cheered for Taiwan.
@SomeoneFromBeijing I really hope that that is the case. But most Chinese I know really think Taiwan belongs to China and the way they acted at the Olympic stadium proved it.
@@algernonca The people who don’t care won’t actively do anything. We are just chilling at home. You are seeing what you want to see, and they are seeing what they want to see. There is very little point do debate if “the people around you” are like “the people around me”. But I do like to point out that people can choose their own circles.
As a Taiwanese person, thank you for talking about this. There’s another layer to take into account that I want to point out. So many of our best athletes are indigenous Taiwanese from other parts of Taiwan; they are neither from Taipei nor Chinese by blood. The name “Chinese Taipei” is an extra slap in the face from colonialism - it would be equivalent to the US team having to compete under the name “Caucasian New York”. But now imagine the US is given the choice between competing under that ridiculously insulting name and depriving the nation’s most beloved athletes (think Biles, Phelps, the entire Team USA) from being able to participate in the olympics. Would you really rather boycott out of principle and watch the rest of the world compete? I feel like our presence speaks much louder than our absence would.
This is an interesting point, but from the Chinese perspective, the indigenous people of Taiwan would be classified as "ethnic minorities". The Chinese boast of having a diverse 56 minorities making up the country. In this way, the Indigenous Taiwanese would also be classified as "Chinese ethnic minorities". This is from the China perspective, however, if you speak from the ROC/Taiwan perspective, no other name should be used besides "ROC Taiwan"... then this would end up with quitting the Olympics simply because China is big enough to bully other countries, just like the US can do now.
You purposely try to mislead people who don't know the history and culture. In fact, about 90% of the population are Han nationality, similar to that of mainland China. Taiwan is a province under the constitutions of either ROC or PRC. Are you suggesting using a province name to represent ROC? Another option: change ROC to TOC and the constitution first. Unfortunately, even your US dad (the way many people in Taiwan like to say) will not support the independence of Taiwan.
There's this clear cultural difference between us, the west, the USes, the Canadas, the Europes of the world and how we view sovereignty, our name, our identities, and our pride. Taiwan has this modern history of playing the balancing act of securing their pride while doing their best not to run afoul of the institutions that refuse to acknowledge them openly. For that, I feel like Taiwan's culture exudes pragmatism even at the fault of what we in the west would hold dear. And in my view? It's extremely respectable. It's a way to be relevant on the world stage and tell everyone that, no matter what's thrown their way, they will persevere, and they *_will_* be there.
yeah.. i feel like this is such an important skill, navigating between the fronts. we also see it a lot in the division is society in many western countries, where populism creates different realities for people to an extend where both sides can't have proper conversations with each other. how are we supposed to deal with serious world-wide issues like climate and ai if we are not on the same page? We need people to step in between and connect the divided and in taiwan this balancing act is everyday life, at least from a political perspective. very respectable indeed
There is no such thing as "Taiwan's culture", their culture is tied to the PRC's and of centuries of shared history. They are the same people as in PRC, it is only who is governing them that is different. All athletes only want to compete and they don't want politics getting in their way.
@@rcbrascanabsolutely but why not let a people compete under a name of their choosing? The western world led by the US actually pushed ROC out of the UN in favour of letting the PRC in. Why not let both countries coexist? Isn’t that what freedom and integrity is supposed to be? Instead of being letting ourselves being bullied by the PRC. The ROC by all accounts is a separate country, as separate as Singapore is. It has its own currency, government, and a very different political structure from the PRC. Just because the PRC refuses to recognise it, doesn’t mean the rest of the world needs to accommodate this. I know the PRC uses its veto power to keep the ROC out. It seems odd to me that the 194 countries aren’t all equal and 5 nations that were part of the Allies in WW2 can dictate to the rest of the UN based on events that happened 60 years ago.
I am a Taiwanese and have always liked your high-quality videos. Thank you for taking the time to study the relationship between Taiwan and the Olympics. This provides me with new perspectives to think about issues that I am already familiar with. Taiwan has always had very divided opinions on its relations with China, but I think we should be called Taiwan, because no matter what, WE ARE on this land and WE ARE qualified.
you're just a puppet used by the US It's curious. In western countries, there's anti-Sino sentiment, yet you choose to stand with the US. While in China nobody would hate against fellow chinese
@@davidwong5197 Taiwanese people didn't vote "for" the name. It's a choice between accepting the name Chinse Taipei vs being barred from the games. The people chose the former.
@@samyeh7995 I remembered the referendum vote. They have a choice to be called Taiwan. It MIGHT have consequences. But PEOPLE chose Chinese Taipei. During that time all the debates were about the name not Olympic participation. Most people don't even care. The fear at the time was war.Tiawanese have no balls.
I agree with your final verdict. Keep in mind the voting is heavily influenced in Taiwan, similar to how liberalism is heavily “pushed” in America. Sure Taiwan “voted” for it, but Communist China is exerting MASSIVE pressure on them all throughout this.
I was just reading last night about how a lot of countries don't have embassies in Taiwan, instead having an "office" that "happens" to function exactly like an embassy. The American version is called the American Institute in Taiwan (most other countries use Taipei instead of Taiwan in the name of their equivalents) and it's a nonprofit largely owned and operated by the Dept of State. There's also a counterpart "embassy" in the U.S. called the Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office in the United States.
Many countries have undercover embassies in Taiwan. The Spanish undercover embassy uses a stamp that says “Manila Embassy”. So their documents are signed as “In Taipei, (date), Manila, Philippines”
And vice-versa. We do not have any embassies in countries that don't officially 'recognise' us. For example, I'm in the UK, and our 'pseudo-embassy' here is called 'Taipei Representative Office in the UK'. This is always an experience to have to explain that to other people.
How hypocritical is the Olympic Committee. Where are equality, justice? Not even allow Taiwanese chanting Taiwan n showing their flags in the stadiums n gymnasiums… haha shameful
That's because more than 100 countries don't recognize Taiwan as a country at all😂including the United States. Even if your media claims that Taiwan is a country, it doesn't count. Officially, it has never been a country, because China's civil war in 1949 was due to American intervention.
The green flag is not Taiwan or ROC’s flag. The Green colour represents DDP (but not ROC), the ruling party in Taiwan who is promoting the independence of Taiwan (fact: only 40% for DDP in election but DDP managed to defeat two other political parties). So obviously it’s very political. Imagine Kashmir people waving Kashmir’s flag of independence, or Okinawa people waving Okinawa’s flag for independence. Enjoy the games and get out of politics as we don’t want to watch endless political battles in the games.
I had this exact question while watching the opening ceremony, but I didn't think it would make for such an interesting answer. Great video, as always.
Taiwanese here. I really resent the KMT for insisting on the name "Chinese" back then, which prevented Taiwanese people from participating in international sporting events under the name "Taiwan." The result of the referendum in 2018 was also due to the KMT deceiving Taiwanese people, saying that if we used the name "Taiwan," the IOC would reject us, so many citizens thought it would harm the athletes' chances of competing.
I am watching this as a visitor in Taipei right now and I agree wholeheartedly with the comments. You asked "what's the point of representing your country if you can't represent your country" and that second part is just not true. I think the people here feel represented by these athletes. The fact that China and Taiwan compete as individual nations is "enough" for the Taiwanese to feel national pride. To me the whole situation is so magical and the fact that Taiwanese people live in a middle ground between two states (being a country vs being part of china) is such an important balancing act. There often is no black and white in life, and imo life is most successful when you find a golden, peaceful balance. And I experience that peace a lot here in Taipei.
3:05 Love your work, and always a pleasure to have such an informative video since you're at Vox. The only point I want to clarify is Chang's name as a Sinosphere person. Both "CHANG Hsing-hsien" (zh) and "Seiken CHO" (ja) are transliterations of his native name, "張星賢". His native name was kept when participating in the Olympics since the "Kominka movement" (皇民化運動 or Japanisation) didn't emerge until 1937. Or else, he will likely be using a more Japanese surname like Seiken WARI or Seiken HARIMOTO as his name. The characters of his given name also exist in general Japanese kanji so it might be okay with. P.S.: A fun fact is that many Sinosphere people have an "English name" apart from their "Name". Mine was registered along with the "Chinese Name" in Birth Name in English.
Thank you! I had a feeling it was a case of transliteration, but I didn't have enough of a language background to be sure. It didn't sound like a Japanese person's name at all, nor did it sound like a Chinese or Korean name (save the surname "Cho.")
I'm Taiwanese American, and I loved this video! Can't speak for the people that voted on the referedum but personally I feel that by continuing to compete, even under an alias, reminds the world, such as yourself, to continue asking the question "What the heck is 'Chinese Taipei'"!? Thank you for putting this out there!
Thanks you American.Chinese yellow people sucks. I like Western countries .and your white and black people.your country American is great.I like Christmas and Halloween. Respect from China❤
A lot of Taiwanese doesn’t know the history well like you. Thank you for the video. I voted for using TAIWAN to participate Olympic back then, but I just realised that ROC doesn’t actually own Taiwan and penghu island, so if we change our name of Olympic into Taiwan, it is going to be confusing and it going to be even harder to be real Taiwan.
Great video! As a Taiwanese, I think we should NOT boycott at any opportunity can be involved these days. We are always been excluded in international events(like WHA) under China's influence. So as long as Taiwanese people can show up at any stage, it's always a good PR to the world and a thorn in the China government's side that they have to address. But the more they claim about Taiwan is a part of them, the more people will recognises the oddness of the situation. Practically, I think Taiwanese people should participate in as many event as we can. And the name issue, I voted for using the name ''Taiwan'' to represent our country as well(but I am much prefer using"Formosa", it's a beautiful name with rich history.) But now, we are much more recognised by foreigners regardless using other names instead. So I personally don't mind about the name issue today.
Sorry, you have violated the law. What is ironically amusing is that most people from Taiwan often try to portray themselves as weak and pitiable to gain sympathy and deceive those who are unaware of the Constitution of the Republic of China and the historical context of the Chinese Civil War. The Constitution of the Republic of China clearly defines the relationship between the Republic of China and Taiwan. You lawbreakers.
Just want to give some background on the referendum to petition for a name change for the Olympics. China did everything it could to threaten Taiwan, including getting the IOC to issue a statement that Taiwan would be banned from the Olympics if the referendum went through. Under that type of coercion, I would hardly say the referendum reflects how the Taiwanese people actually feel about the subject.
@@3owlpro Wrong. General Assembly Resolution 2758 only says that the PRC is the sole representation of China and does not comment on the status of Taiwan. Taiwan as a territory separated from an enemy state as the result of World War 2 qualifies for UN trusteeship status as according to Article 77 of the UN charter and is guaranteed right to self-determination by the UN Charter. The only reason it didn't officially become a UN trust territory is because the ROC and the USSR had veto rights and they wouldn't allow it. That however does not negate the fact that prior to the signing of the 1952 San Francisco treaty, Taiwan was officially under control of the Allied Powers and the Supreme Allied Commander. The KMT forces were only present in Taiwan because they were given the order to represent the Allied Forces for the surrender of Japanese troops in Taiwan by Douglas MacArthur's General Order No. 1, which also instructed the KMT forces to accept Japanese surrender in Northern Vietnam. The Allied Powers merely delegated administrative rights of these places to the ROC, which did not mean a transfer of sovereignty. The same can be said of the Soviets accepting Japanese surrender in Manchuria. In the 1952 Treaty of San Francisco, Japan was instructed by SCAP to only give up the sovereignty of Taiwan without specifying a recipient. It meant Taiwan was administrated by the Allied Powers and the sovereignty of Taiwan was and still is pending for self-determination in accordance with the UN charter. That is why the US only commits to the protection of the people of Taiwan, and not the colonial regime attached to it in the Taiwan Relations Act.
@@paiwanhan Japan surrendered Taiwan to the government of Republic of China, who now resides in Taiwan. People's Republic of China was not even established yet at that time.
In fact, people in mainland China also call it Taiwan in their daily lives. It is like an ordinary place name in China, just like the British call their capital London, not London, England. Almost no people in mainland China will say Chinese Taipei. Only in political or international occasions will they call it Chinese Taiwan or Chinese Taipei.
Finally someone talks about this on youtube its so important to share awareness of the Taiwan situation with the olympics. We must stop bending the knee to communist chinas demands.
Wrong at 3:08, in the Japanese colony of Taiwan, you don’t get to choose whether your name can be Chinese or Japanese. Most Chinese Taiwanese were forced to adopt Japanese, just like how they did it to the Korean, and in the process erasing the indigenous culture of both Taiwan Island and Korea.
@@chy4919 I guess that's because Japan was less harsh to us compare to how they treated Koreans. By the end of the regime, Japan's intent was to make Taiwan (island) officially a part of Japan and use the island as a base to go further south. Japan would naturally want the people on the island to like them, or at least not hate them.
it's pretty interesting - i had to leave this out of the video, but they hosted the "world games" in 2009 (a sorta audition for the olympics for both sports and locations). even while in taiwan, they had to call themselves chinese taipei, which led to a very weird opening cermony.
@PhilEdwardsInc They tried to call themselves Taiwan during 2020 Tokyo Olympics after a referendum, and it did not end well for them after PRC Intervention with the EAOC
@PhilEdwardsInc I remembered during the last World Baseball Classic they were one of the 4 hosts during pod play which just made it interesting because they has to be Chinese Taipei. Interesting fact was that China did not play in that pod they had to go to Japan and play in the Tokyo Dome. Another interesting fact was during the Cuba Taiwan game there was a Cuba superfan who had been at all the games there and several times he unveiled the flag of Taiwan.
Taiwan's names in the Olympics: 1956 FORMOSA | CHINA (During the parade, it's F category instead of C) 1960 FORMOSA (KMT let the leading person hold a "under protest" sign) 1964 TAIWAN 1968 TAIWAN 1972 ROC 1976 TAIWAN OR FORMOSA (BUT KMT regime boycotted) 1980s until now CHINESE TAIPEI(During the parade, it's T category instead of C) Btw. the people who escaped from China with KMT and Chiang KS were only around 12% of Taiwan's population, but ruled over Taiwan until late 1990s and early 2000s. Taiwan is now democracy and most people like the name Taiwan; however, many are afraid that Taiwan's players cannot compete the international games, so Taiwanese are holding back of the name change idea. It is not like some claims that Taiwanese don't like the name Taiwan based on the referendum result some years back. One more thing is that most Taiwanese or Chinese did not know about Taiwan's participation with name Formosa or Taiwan before. KMT and CCP governments did not let their citizens know about it. For example, KMT government always told Taiwanese that "we" joined the Olympic Games with the name ROC/中華民國.
@@Qiushishuothis video actually just told you that the first time OUR people joined the Olympics was in the name of Japan. What republic of china? Regimes come and go, yet Taiwan has always been here and will remain here.
As a Taiwanese, I would like to provide a general perspective in Taiwan. First of all, NO ONE want to boycott the Olympic due to this naming issue. Second, most people feel uncomfortable with the name "Chinese Taipei" but in the same time is willing to tolerate this compromise. Third, People voted to not change the name does not mean they like Chinese Taipei, the reasoning is mostly based on fear of being cancel by IOC due to the name change. This video is very interesting and i will highly support making a movie about 楊傳廣 C.K.Yang
I believe this will change eventually as more Taiwanese identify themselves as Taiwanese and not "Chinese" due to the negative connotations that it brings and the growing differences in almost every aspect (socially, identity, culturally, etc.).
“Ejected” by who? Paris Police? Stadium Security? And Why? Who cares? If I as a citizen of the US help up a “First Peoples” sign at the Paris Olympics should someone drag me away? What’s the difference? 🤔
Non-countries aren't allowed to send teams to the Olympics, so clearly the IOC is recognising them as a country. The name is the issue though because two countries want to represent all of China in an sporting event
Taiwan was able to keep Mainland China out of the Olympics. I would call it "What's good for the goose is good for the gander". At least Taiwan can compete albeit with a modified name. The Mainland is far more generous than Taiwan under similar circumstances.
As a Taiwanese who watches your videos all the time - thank you for making this video, Phil. Our struggle has always been a tough one and many from outside the country might not know exactly what has been going on. Thank you for using this video to present an excellent question, and in some way, point out the absurdity of the situation: a country that has to change its name on different occasions through time and place.
I’m convinced that the referendum of 2018 isn’t as representative in terms of people’s self-identify as it shows. The public believed that they must vote against applying for competing as Taiwan otherwise they would be excluded from the sports community. It is a decision based on oppressed free-will of the majority.
The referendum asked whether the government should apply under the title of “Taiwan”, however this does not exclude the permissibility of applying under the name of Chinese Taipei in case of IOC’s refusal. According to the “Agreement between the International Olympic Committee, Lausanne and the Chinese Taipei Olympic Committee, Taipei”, a treaty binding both parties, the IOC is obliged to allow Taiwanese athletes to perform under the name of Chinese Taipei. However, this legal vision wasn’t wide spread enough so people had a misbelief that voting for calling ourselves Taiwan would hinder the opportunities of our athletes, which, based on what’s I’ve stated, isn’t the case.
Why Taiwan is under "Chinese Taipei"? In short, it was IOC's work. Former IOC chairman Juan Antonio Samaranch of Spain convinced mainland China to participate, and negotiated Taiwan changed its name. China boycotted Olympics until 1984 LA games, because Taiwan always participated.
Even though as a Taiwanese I wish we can compete in Olympics using the name Taiwan, I also want our athletes to have the opportunity to shine at the world stage to increase the visibility of Taiwan. Boycotting Olympics is a passive method that won’t make any splash in the world community for a small country that is already facing so many obstacles. I guess you have to put yourself in our position to understand the dilemma we are facing, but it is difficult when you are from a country that doesn’t have a neighbor that constantly wants to take your freedom away.
Now can you explain me why UK goes to Olympics as a holly trinity with Union Flag and all that and in World Soccer Cup Wales (when they get to classify), Scotland and England compete separately? My theory is that in Olympics they don't get enough athletes to compete in Isolation but in Soccer (or football as we like to call here) they do.
Thank you for making a video discussing this issue! This is one of the countless clear signs that Taiwan has been bullied by China for years. The world deserves to see the truth 💪 Thank you again!
Next please do the same cover for the other Olympic participants that aren't official countries, like Puerto Rico, Bermuda, Aruba, American Samoa, Aruba, Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Cook Islands, Guam, Puerto Rico, British Virgin Islands, and US Virgin Islands. Why aren't these places or country like entities independent? Why are referendums actively suppressed in most of these places despite many of them having independence movements? Why have independence movements in many of these places suppressed by the respective occupation forces. On the other hand, there are also other places where even NOCs are suppressed , e.g. Sint Maarten and Curaçao. Then there are also the most unfortunate of the lot, e.g. French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Mayotte, New Caledonia, French Polynesia, these places are fully suppressed representing themselves at Olympics, much less independence or self determination at the world stage. Don't just feature Taiwan, at least their own referendum approved the use of Chinese Taipei, but in these other places, among which, there are many with populations that wants independence from the occupying nation, they don't even get a say FYI, the IOC has allowed the formation of National Olympic Committees (NOCs) to represent individual nations. These do not meet the strict requirements for political sovereignty that other international organizations demand. Start with Puerto Rico and New Caledonia, these will be interesting stories to tell
Would be indeed But perhaps that is something that makes the Olympics above politics while also having to wrestle with it. Olympic competition is at one and the same time about athletes showing their strength, regardless of where they come from, but also about a people - a nation, kingdom, republic - showing what its people have to offer. It's an interesting dance between the two, and the degree to which nation or individual takes precedence tells us it's not all one thing or the other, I suppose.
Imagine the following scenario: A Taiwan athlete wins a gold medal. At the awards ceremony, as the national anthem is being played, the athlete pulls out a piece of paper saying "Republic of China" and showing an image of the banned flag of Taiwan. What would the fallout be? Of course she would be sent home, without her medal. But would there be a hero's welcome? Or would she get disdain for jeopardizing Taiwan's ability to compete? Or both? I'm curious to hear from Taiwan citizens on this.
As a Taiwanese, I think this will be a difficult situation to handle, but I’ll said it’s both. To some of us, they may be deemed as hero(atleast to me), but to the rest of us, this kind of move did jeopardize our future to competing in the Olympic or even in other worldwide event. Not to mention that if a Taiwanese athlete does this, PRC will definitely try to revenge us by all means(and the revenge won’t be just in sports for sure), which I don’t think we are ready to withstand.
a couple of months of internet fame, known as that person back home, probably keep the gold but get a fine or even a short ban, individual protest wouldn't effect the rest of the Taiwan's Olympics. depending on the sport, say badminton, probably make things awkward career wise as china could probably have enough pull leading to a longer ban.
As being athletes of one country, they are expected to come together and fight for our country. Whatever the name of our Country, we are one of it. I think it's the democracy education taught us not to infringe on other people's rights. Nobody is going to take the risk that would make us be banned from the Olympics. BTW, no one knows that what will the committee do after we done that. Would it be a banned or be a freedom of speech.
There is no country named Taiwan in the world, so there is no flag of Taiwan at all. If like you wished，the flag and name of the Republic of China were presented, the athletes present theirself as Chinese and claim the whole China as their territory as defined by the constitution of the Republic China.
Yeah so the cover of my passport says "Taiwan" and not "ROC". Only the photo page says "Republic of China" because it has to, TECHNICALLY, but we've been known as just Taiwan for decades now.
Great video! I’ve always had trouble explaining to literally anyone about what happened with the Chinese Taipei name, and your video did it perfectly. Also fyi, the World Cube Association, the governing body of competitions of speed solving Rubik’s cube like puzzles, officially adopted the name Chinese Taipei starting from 2023. Taiwan was recognized correctly as “Taiwan” in the cubing scene from 2006 (first official cubing competition in Taiwan) to 2023. It’s sad, but China’s influence was too strong for them to resist.
I’m an American living with in-laws in Taiwan at the moment. Taiwan just played China in Badminton and we were complaining about the fact that Taiwan couldn’t use its actual flag and name the whole time, but as soon as Taiwan won, everyone in the room went nuts! The question you ask is a tough one, but I think is missing an important third option. Should China stop being a bully so Taiwan can do what it wants? The fact that the Taiwanese have to answer questions like the two you posed at all is blatantly unfair and is obviously because of the pressure China puts on the international community to keep it that way, so why shouldn’t we put the question to the People’s Republic of China instead of the Taiwanese, who are clearly the victims in all of this and are stuck between a rock (China’s anger) and a hard place (being excluded from the international community if boycotting)?
Taiwan is always going to be a thorn in China's side due to being founded by the losers of its last civil war, so it's not likely that China will ever relent unless either country's government collapses. It's also not so simple as "China bad, Taiwan good," as Taiwan was founded by displacing natives and is as much a victim of itself through things like the white terror as it is of China.
The obvious answer is as you said. The PRC is a bully and Taiwan shouldn’t have to change its name. But the world is neither fair nor just nor ethical. Those with power always get what they want, and that makes it suck for the rest of us.
While The people's republic of China is the bully in this case, only 12 countries recognise Taiwan. (most of them very small countries) Shouldn't the rest of the world make a stand on this and recognise Taiwan? I think the fact that Taiwan's official name is the Republic of China makes it very difficult for others to fully recognise them as a sovereign nation.
@@MrTuxycompletely agree with you~~ people talk a lot about freedom and democracy, but more and more allies have left Taiwan to get money and investments from China
Who's being the bully? Didn't the US interfere to prevent China from uniting one way or another? Maybe the US should stop poking its ass in other country's business?
If you think the Taiwanese had a tough question before them you should talk to the Haudenosaunee (fka Iroquois). Because of the IOC's national eligibility rules, when lacrosse comes to the Olympics in 2028 one of the best national lacrosse teams in the world will be forced to choose whether or not to represent the USA. And just an important bit of context not everyone might be aware of *the Haudenosaunee invented lacrosse*
@@PhilEdwardsInc Those territories were grandfathered in. Current IOC rules require a nation to be an "internationally recognized state". Might make for a good story? 😅
I strongly believe Taiwan deserves to recognize as a Full Country and we need to open our eyes to Taiwan. Because I can't believe how Taiwan is developed compared to the other Asian Countries. You can't imangin how Taiwanese people are really good people and hospitable. I love Taiwan.❤
What you want and what is realistic are misaligned for Taiwan. They have decided to compromise and show their presence in international events without proper recognition. It seems it's working in TW's favor not just becoz of their resilience but also thanks to PRC's aggressive stance making other countries sympathizing TW. Hard to say if TW has made the right choice but so far i would say yes as all pieces are falling into place.
Actually Taiwan is not the official country name. The country name of the Taiwan island is Republic of China, according to their constitution. Don't mix with the island name "Taiwan" and the country name "Republic of China".
So it is impossible to use Taiwan in any international organisation, because the country name is "Republic of China". "Taiwan" is just like a nickname. Unless they offically amend their constitution, change the country name from "Republic of China" to "Republic of Taiwan", you cannot let others put your nickname on papers instead of your officail name, right?
I'm Taiwanese. In 1949, the KMT was defeated by the CCP（Chinese Communist Party) and fled from China to Taiwan, ruling Taiwan as the "Republic of China". Taiwan did not have a second political party until 1987. Before that, the KMT was one-party dominant system and there was no freedom of speech. The KMT believed that they were Chinese and came to Taiwan only temporarily, so they did not like and refused to use "Taiwan" to participate in the Olympics. After 1987, Taiwan became a democratic country, and in 2019 Taiwan is the first country in Asia to legalize same-sex marriage. Most Taiwanese identify themselves as "Taiwanese", but changing the constitution of the "Republic of China" is very complicated, and China will also use this as an excuse to attack Taiwan. Referendum of 2018 "Do you agree to use "Taiwan" as full name to apply to participate in all international sports events and the 2020 Tokyo Olympics?" 45.2% agreed and 54.8% disagreed. The big reason was that the KMT claimed that it could not participate in the Olympics without "Chinese Taipei". Many people voted disagree because they fear changing the name will prevent athletes from participating. Taiwan is obviously a country, but it cannot participate in the United Nations due to threats and intimidation from China. Cannot join the WHO, even though Taiwan has done the best in COVID-19 prevention in the world. This is a very sad situation. this video is worth watching ruclips.net/video/p8pYnsnq8x0/видео.htmlsi=kXV5tRodpE7eZ0yC
Taiwanese here. Thank you for making this qualified video and letting more people get to know the complication between Taiwan and China in such an engaging way.
Taiwanese people can be divided into three groups: 1. Those who believe the Republic of China (ROC) is just a temporary government occupying the island, and that we should abandon it to create a new nation called Taiwan. 2. Those who believe the Republic of China is Taiwan, and that we are already an independent country. 3. Those who consider themselves Chinese and believe we should find a way to reunite with China to form one great and powerful nation. Currently, most Taiwanese fall into group 2. This viewpoint provides a convenient explanation that helps avoid conflict on both sides. The ROC government can continue claiming to be a country, so people will keep supporting it, while the PRC can maintain that the "C" in the name ROC proves it is still a part of "China" that’s temporarily separated, but will eventually reunite. That’s why some Taiwanese are so sick of the name "Republic of China." These people are in group 1, believing that using the ROC name is just self-deception and needs to stop as soon as possible. As mentioned in the video at 11:30, the issue lies in the fact that the word "Chinese" can be translated in two completely different ways, but only Mandarin speakers understand the distinction. For the rest of the world, "Chinese" simply means "something that belongs to China." And for those in group 3, they’re mostly elders and we’re waiting for them to pass away.
DPP used to be type 1, but after Tsai became president they realise if they are Taiwan, they would have to return territory outside Taiwan to China and that would be political sucide, after that DPP no longer bring on the issue in government. it is easy to say one thing, hard when you actually have to do it and deal with the consequences...
lol, "And for those in group 3, they’re mostly elders and we’re waiting for them to pass away." As heartless as this seems, I can totally understand this sentiment.
I understand that in 1976 the Canadians didn't let the ROC be called the ROC. But why weren't they called the ROC in 1984 when it was held in Los Angeles? Surely the USA didn't object to the ROC calling themselves the ROC instead of Chinese Taipei? This video didn't explain why they are not called Taiwan in the Olympics today or the more accurate name, Republic of China.
During the 76 Montreal Olympics, the US still has diplomatic recognition of Taiwan, but come the LA games in 84, the US had already switched ties to the PRC in 1979. So no ROC or Taiwan even though it was an American hosted Olympics.
(From a Taiwanese student,not really good at English) ruclips.net/video/p8pYnsnq8x0/видео.htmlsi=429RUfC3IYQ1HmAS This video is talking about what Taiwanese people feel in this issue. Most Taiwanese people and specially the young people.All very sure we should change the name to Taiwan.But some elder just thinks we are "Chinese" not "Taiwanese". And If we use "Taiwan",the athletes may not be allow to participate in the event.Because of China. I think this is the real question.
"They should just sit it out". This only takes the viewpoint of the country and its identity into consideration, but what about the athletes who have dedicated their lives to a discipline to become some of the best in the world? They shouldn't be left out and told to "just" stay home because of this conflict. The games happen only once every 4 years and it would be devastating to skip them even once, it's not like they will remain at this level for decades. And even if their country skipped it officially in the future, they should still be allowed to compete in some way, like with the arrangement set up for Russian athletes.
that's a good idea with the neutral athlete thing. i like that. i was on the side of the athletes in 1980 but this feels different - though i feel like your idea is a good compromise. then you get into funding/training issues though...
It is TAIWAN. And will forever be TAIWAN! I am not from Taiwan but I only know in my entire life there is a country call TAIWAN. Not Taipei. You don't force change other people name by whatever pressure because you don't like it. That is call bully.
The fact is, none of the G& (including China) wants to rock the boat with China. At the same time, not letting Taiwain participate in the Olympics seem unfair. So just let them compete in another name. This is no claim to sovereignty. In fact Canada participated in the Olympics before Statute of Westminster 1931 (so in other words before it was even a country) and Hong Kong participated as a British colony, so letting them compete is no claim to sovereignty since many territories under British rule have competed in the past.
As a Taiwanese, I hate that we are Chinese Taipei in the olympics, but that is not up to us. I literally don’t care what nationality we are or will end up being, but at least I want myself to belong to a nation. It’s the same sort of issue with the UN… Also when Taiwan wins a medal in the olympics, the Chinese will say that our athletes are theirs which is strange because they ban us but at the same time also consider us one of them, it’s like are they banning themselves? lol we don’t even compete in the same team, we also need a permission to go into China, so are we the same country like the Chinese government says? No! lol As much as I love and respect the Chinese citizens, this issue with politics and government is just humiliating, disgusting and unnecessary. Again, Iat this point I literally do not care what nation we are but we just want to be respected and have our own name as a proper nation.
I support your points! Really dislike China CCP government cheating Chinese citizens, while Taiwan DDP government spreads hates. Hope one day a peaceful agreement can be made between two sides. We’re relatives, not enemies.
@@bixiachen7080 Why you laughing at yourself? ccp claiming on the internet and also in the real physical world. They made many laws which are just words on paper with no way to enforce because no jurisdiction, and also force other countries to follow their laws. So you laughing at yourself. It's ok to laugh at yourself, that means you have a good sense of humor, and life is good for you.
@@bixiachen7080 aw, don't be angry because you can't make a better reply, my little wumao... Did I accidentally hit the truth where it hurts? I guess you've never heard the phrase, "You can't handle the truth!" (hint: its from a movie about a corrupt government official)
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As a Taiwanese, I'd prefer to use Taiwan. But I also realize that it's not the pragmatic choice right now. A sentiment most Taiwanese feel.
boycott the olympics
Those people that you say are most of taiwanese aren't even aware of what's behind the headlines and actually many are as blind as those vietnamese for Trump, this last election demonstrate that all what the current party said before was partly fake and misleading in order to push for their own agenda while ignoring the people cost of living and it was easy because young people in every part of the world think they are smart but in the end they themselves remember the past as being naive dumb kids, Taiwan future an only be decided after people get the facts without outsiders interference something that is imposible in the present time.
genuinely curious, does anyone in taiwan openly share the opposite view? like they feel not taiwanese but would prefer something else? if so, what are the other choises?
沒辦法啊，運動員需要出賽才有錢😂
@@maggiemomo9259 23 mil is not exactly a lot of viewers 😅 the boycott would seriously seem stupid
This is why it is a fallacy what the IOC says of keeping politics out of the Olympics. Once you put countries to compete against each other it is going to be political. The IOC knows it, they just mean, we don't want politics that affect our interests.
Only politics that don't interfere with the flow of money...
The Olympics literally started as a war skills competition. Just look at all the sports-- javelin throws, boxing, archery, and the most famous one, the marathon.
Never realized the Olympics were so influenced by propaganda
Do people not realize that *Taiwan's own government today is still Republic of CHINA, according to its own Constitution??* 😅 What is there to complain really... when the Taiwanese people themselves have not managed to change its own government's title and constitution, yet expect the rest of the world to recognize you differently, such as in the form of _Republic of Taiwan, which does not even exist in reality???_ It's kinda pointless then, isn't it? 😅😅
The Olympics do not exist in a politics free world. From an idealistic point of view, the stance you take as IOC should be one of compromise to let all athletes compete. That is not necessarily choosing a political side, that is making choices out of necessity.
I am Canadian and I have just recently gotten to know Taiwan more through their media. Their TV series and movies. I’ve listened to different actors explain or actually say where they’re from with regard to Taiwan. Followed the last election and saw how Taiwan is becoming more Taiwanese in their politics.. as an outsider, I don’t get to say how and when they get to choose their name that they use for the world. I can have an opinion however, I do believe that Taiwan through the latest election made it abundantly clear that they are Taiwanese and not people republic of China..
If you look at the last election the DPP lost their majority. Are you talking the Tsai Ing Wen election or Lai Ching Te election?
Canada is afraid of Quebec going independent. No country wants that! We are guilty of the same thing
@@guankongwong5503Quebec is one part of Canada,Taiwan never belonged to people's republic of china
@@sensiblehk6859
DPP is a political party
It's can't represent Taiwan
So even DPP lost 2024 than the 2020
It's still doesn't mean Taiwan people want to be China.
@@藤野先生-x2xunderstand your history first before you made comment.
Thinking as a nation of people, I agree with you on skipping until you can compete under the name you want. But as an individual athlete, the opportunity to compete in the Olympics may only come once in your lifetime so I would definitely understand wanting to compete under whatever flag you can. Thank you for the in-depth explanation!
There was a vote n 2019. Taiwan selected the name 60 to 40
@@davidwong5197 okay?
Yeah.
The olympics is an international event that very few elite atheletes may have a chance to compete in. They should definitely compete with whatever flag possible, because these people will always be regarded as Taiwanese atheletes regardless of the flag they unfortunately have to use. Much love to Taiwan, it's an awesome country.
@@3owlprothe resolution does not state that Taiwan is a part of China, stop cherry picking
@@123lien6 The decision until now about the wish of the people in Taiwan to join the United Nations has been decided based on The resolution (General Assembly Resolution 2758) mentioning that the government of China is the sole and legitimate Government and the position of the United Nations is that Taiwan is part of China.
The video title doesn't do the content of the video justice. This video is way deeper than I had imagined before clicking on it!
to be honest, i became surprised by how complicated at all was as i learned it!
That's pretty typical for this channel, though.
@@PhilEdwardsInc Really such an excellent & informational video! Thank you!!! 🤗
I don't know why they call North Taiwan "China"
@@PhilEdwardsInc I think that by competing it says to the world that they are a legitimate country and gives them visibility. China uses it's consiterable economic clout to invalidate Taiwan and force non recognition politically and events like the Olympics give an opportunity for Taiwan to present them selves to the world.
This video is amazingly edited. Everything is visually organized. When we talk about a boycott, we are also talking about athletes' livelihoods, careers, and dreams. Taiwanese athletes should continue to stand in the game with whatever name is given so the world can see how they are being bullied.
this video cannot even speak the full name of taiwan: Republic of China. LOL, to be frankly China today give a shit to you
Thank you so much for this detailed and well-explained video. It means a lot to us.👍
冤大头，浪费钱。
Wow! Taiwanese are rich indeed!
感谢你喜欢台湾❤😅
富哥能把钱给我吗
I should point out that until the 2020 Tokyo Olympics, China always translated Chinese Taipei as Zhonghua Taipei(Culturally). It wasn't until 2020 that they started translating Chinese Taipei as Zhongguo Taipei(Nationally).
you obviously know about this issue, but just since you're curious, I did find references to stuff as early as 2008, including at least some internal chinese use of Zhongguo. www.jstor.org/stable/20192198
(again, i say this with humility because anybody who was able to comment this obviously knows more than me, but i figured you'd be curious.)
@@PhilEdwardsInc2008 was the Beijing Olympics, that's most probably the reason
@@PhilEdwardsInc I think you are right. I just checked the Chinese news from the 2004 Athens Olympics, and it was Zhongguo at that time. Even in the news a month before the 2008 Beijing Olympics, it was still Zhongguo, but in August, the translation suddenly changed to Zhonghua.
An interesting fact is that during the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics, the commentary at the stadium used Zhonghua, while the TV commentary used Zhongguo.
@@firwok160 guys, I'm a Chinese living in mainland china, this zhongguo/zhonghua thing is pretty simple, the agreement is in English, as long as the english name of taiwan's Olympic team is 'chinese taipei' how to translate the name in the Chinese is up to both governments, officially in mainland china, in order to obey the 92 consensus the gov always translate the Chinese in Chinese Taipei to zhonghua, that's why in 08 Beijing Olympic, u can see it's zhonghua, but that's only an internal government rule, it's not a law, individual people include media (even state media) don't have to obey this rule, and it's not a international law nether, because as i said as long as the English name is Chinese Taipei, any translation is ok, as i understand in taiwannese media, people often call this team 'zhonghua dui'(chinese team)
@@KinLee919 bravo, a SCHOLAR is talking.
As a Taiwanese, thank you for making this video. It broke our heart in the Paris Olympics to see all the flyers and banners with the word Taiwan on it, or map of Taiwan, or even Boba tea, taken away by force by Chinese people and the security. Is this the spirit of the Olympics?
That's the only consolation to join the international events until the Taiwanese people decide their future.
尊严是自己争取来的，埋怨别人甚至奥委会是懦夫的做法。
想作为一个主权地位国家，就先修宪公投，反对公投提案的立法委员可发起罢免运动。若无法罢免，说明台湾内部并未有广泛共识。
讓你們參加奧運會已經是皇恩浩蕩，你們不服中央政府領導，還到處無孔不入借機搞臺獨，到處惹是生非丟人現眼。
中央政府不會再允許你們參加下一屆奧運會，這是你們自找的。
李洋可不是台湾人哦，人家是福建省金门人。
bro you should read the Olympic rules. you are NOT suppose to bring ANY kind of banner. if someone bring a banner that say "Israel forver", "US number one", "I love French fries" they will also be remove. why? because there are 100s of language and no one knows if a banner is saying "death to america", so it just simple to ban all banner for the ease of the organiser maintaining a positive environment. it has nothing to do with Taiwan. you should do some research before making false accusation.
I think that you've sorta proven that it is worth it to stay in the Olympics. If they were not, we would not be talking about Taiwan. The fact is that they have limited leverage internationally, but drawing the attention of other free nations provides them more leverage against the PRC due to international backlash. Great video!
The “backlash” is only from people who are anti China to begin with
Most people who are neutral and curious about the arrangement would look up the situation between the PRC and ROC and come to the conclusion that the PRC’s claim over Taiwan is legitimate
@@AgakAgakEngineerHow can that be when Taiwan is a sovereign nation 😫
@AgakAgakEngineer
No, these voices are not voices of those who anti-China.
But against aggression and against the voices of war.
We support merely participating in international affairs in the manner a nation should be,and to defend it with our own dignity.
I am from Taiwan, but I cannot acknowledge it loudly in the international community.
This is because China exerts pressure and aggression to make it difficult for us to survive in the international community.
望你順遂，台灣
This is the kind of deep dive into a topic that few people in the USA think about but is important for understanding a complicated situation.
As a Taiwanese, I really appreciate this video and your work. 🙏🙏🙏 You explained everything in even more detail and more accurately than I could. Huge thanks! 🙏
Also to answer your question on what to choose, it is probably better to compete with the flawed name but smartly get countries to recognize that you are indeed Taiwanese (if that’s what they want)
Agreed. Being seen is much more importanat than not being seen at all. Even the flawed name might pique other people's curiosity.
Taiwanese you were to the Indigenous people. taiwan-born Chinese is more appropriate, similar to American-born Chinese.
@@astridchang704 While I am much more against corporate representation of LGBT (as far as using rainbow in their logos during Pride Month), many LGBT allies take it in a more positive view; the rainbow flag behind a corporate logo is irony and even contradictory, but it is SOME attention, better than no attention at all.
I'm absolutely sure that the average person will look at this and just think "oh, thats the other region from China"
No average person would waste their time to even search this, they see "chinese", they think its from china.
@@LucaPedro Yes, but when your average person sees people with Taiwanese-related posters/flags being confiscated by event staff or Chinese spectators at the games, that can raise awareness regarding this issue and how abnormal it is.
I feel like it's worth competing under the odd banner because every Olympics it reminds the world of the strange situation the people of Taiwan have been forced into. People around the world would quickly forget that strife if they sat out.
If 'Taiwan would attend the Olympic Games' under its 'real' name: 'The Republic of China' , it would cause problems, because according to the current legal constitution of the Republic of China, the Taiwanese are Chinese and the whole China is its territory. There is no country named 'Taiwan' on this earth.
I think the fact that this very video exists and many people watched it is proof of that
I’m with you on that logic-might even shine a spotlight on the real issue!
Totally agree with you 👍 💯 👏
Blessings from Taiwan 🇹🇼 🥳
Jesus loves everyone 😇 🥰
Exactly!!
As a Taiwanese, I saw that at the Olympic Games, the Olympic staff did not allow us to bring the national flag into the venue, nor did they allow us to use the signs or words about Taiwan on the signboards. Even when we won the sport game, we were not allowed to play our national anthem. We could only use the national flag. Song instead, ridiculous !
Isn't Sun Yat-sen the father of your country? Wasn't Sun Yat-sen Chinese? Didn't Chiang Kai-shek also want one China? Why do Taiwanese go against the hospital of their ancestors, I don't understand
@@TylerGimson-se1pc Yes, he is Chinese and the father of our country. His ideal was to create a democratic country. But after the civil war, the Communist Party won, so the Communist Party stayed in China and supported democracy in defeat and went to Taiwan. ，After 80 years, Taiwan has become the democratic government that the founding fathers wanted to establish. But in reality, it is impossible to overthrow the CCP. All Taiwanese are not interested in Chinese land and only want to protect this small island that they worked so hard to build.
@@kerwinchen0620 加油，台湾，继续保持民主自由！
@@Laladododadada 謝謝!
Are taiwanese of Chinese roots or some exotic species 😅😅😅
3:10 I think a lot of ppl who know momofuku ando invented instant ramen don't know that he was actually Chinese (ethnicity) Taiwanese (origin) Japanese (nationality). he actually renounced his Japanese citizenship when Taiwan stopped being a Japanese colony, but became a naturalized Japanese citizen in 1966.
didn't realize that - thanks.
I think most Japanese know of his Taiwanese origin
Chinese isn't an ethnicity either. China is a multi-ethnic country, and all the so-called Chinese today once belonged to different minority groups with distinct languages and cultures. The word "Chinese" or its original meaning, "Zhonghua Minsu," was only coined in the 1920s by Liang Qichao for political unity. For example, the so-called Han ethnicity no longer exists in China as a pure group, as the Han is a mixture of various nomadic invaders throughout history and minorities from ancient Southeast Asia. Han Chinese today are mostly sinicized Chinese minorities. Both Taiwanese and Chinese refer to different nationalities, just as you wouldn't call any random white American British, German, or Irish unless they hyphenate themselves by their own choice. I've lived in both Taiwan and China for work, and no locals would call themselves Chinese unless they are pro-Communist or KMT immigrants from China. Momofuku Ando was born in Taiwan and has never visited China in his life. His family came from a well-off background and settled in Taiwan over 300 years ago. Modern China did not exist then; only the Manchurian Qing dynasty, which was a foreign coloniser.
@@MaximSupernov sure, he's still "chinese" in ethnicity, though, not Japanese or taiwanese aboriginal. apparently specifically hoklo chinese.
@@MaximSupernov pure BS
Olympics is as much about Atheletes, as much as about country, and it would be unfair for athletes who trained their whole life to not compete or immigrate to another country to compete. Further while this whole name thing is a charade, this keeps what might be a trivia on minds of many, into an actual discussion on how petty and authoritarian China is. So I think they should.
you can't use "Olympics is as much about Atheletes" and political word "authoritarian " in the same sentence.
True it makes communist China look awful on their own. Acting like inconsiderate bullies shows poor character to me.
Actually, it's about money
@@yamifeni5782 1. Yes you can,
2. they did not do that.
This might show that the Chinese government is petty, but it doesn't show that it is authoritarian (even though it is authoritarian). A non-authoritarian country is also fully capable of doing the same.
Jensen Huang mentioned that he was born and raised in Taiwan and learned the character of humble, honesty, trustworthiness, and kindness for first. With this soul, he went to the United States to study and created Nvidia, and set up all its main factories in Taiwan. And choose reliable local companies in Taiwan to cooperate with. I am very grateful to Taiwan's character education for cultivating great people like Jensen Huang and allowing people in this world to have the best display card to drive our computers and AI.
I really hope that the CCP will not occupy Taiwan, otherwise our display card will become...
I recently learned the story of Taiwan previously Formosa and I actually wondered where Taiwan was in the opening ceremony, so this makes total sense thanks for sharing!
Yeah, all thanks to Chinese bullies
Despite China’s continuing bullying Taiwan. It is important to attend Olympic and be seen and be noticed in the world stage.
it funny to claim China is "bullying" Taiwan when Taiwan is the one occupying territory in the mainland. it is amazing how the news never tell anyone that no?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinmen#/media/File:Nationalist_China_-_administrative_divisons._LOC_2007633622.jpg
If you really understand the history, you will find that some of the actions of the Taiwanese people are ridiculous, do not be brainwashed by Westerners and some Japanese Taiwanese, most of the Taiwanese people are from the mainland, when the Kuomintang defeated and took them away, Taiwan's founding father and Chiang Kai-shek adhere to the one China principle, and they are all mainland Chinese
as region of CN like HK ?
China bullying Taiwan? Have you seen Taiwan stirring China?
hahaha...bullyyyyyy..... take off the clothes who named ROC,its belong to CHINA,NOT TAIWAN. TW is bullying CHINA!!!!
Great video and love the historical aspect you put in.
I’m not Chinese, I have nothing to do with either country. My opinion is they definitely should not Boycott. You mentioned sitting out until you can choose your name, where I would say sitting out would mean you never will. In a game of perceived legitimacy, you must stay forward in people’s minds. Would it be best if the athletes got to choose the name they competed under, yes, but not compete at all as the alternative? I don’t think that would be fair and I definitely believe the CCP would see it as a major win.
Thank you and I agree with you that many Taiwanese athletes are working so hard to participate sport events, and not to mention that Olympic can be once of life time opportunity. That's why I respect my fellow Taiwanese being resilient and trying to survive among some unfriendly political environment.
去看看台湾的宪法国名叫什么，去看看台湾人身份证上面写的什么，中华民国
@@AniKind-v77 The other side include the TW medals as their own so in total they are no.1.
As a Taiwanese, I recognize that it's not ideal but I'd rather the world have a chance to know of our existence than not at all. Props to the Taiwanese spectators who showed up at Paris in support of our athletes and especially to those who dared bring banners that cheered for Taiwan.
我是住在海外的北京人，很少用用中文了，若語句不通暢請見諒。
我希望台灣人能知道，絕大多數中國人根本不在乎這些。是的，有很多中國人在乎，但是中國有14億人啊！幾年前有人在中國的一個網路論壇問過「台灣回歸的好處是什麼」，高票回答大概說的是「除了面子上好看毫無意義」。對於絕大多數中國人來說，台灣如何與他們是無關的。但是如果真的有戰爭，所有人都會被傷害。所以，請你們不要把那群傻子當作所以中國人的代表。
罵了中國人之後，我也要說一下台灣人。雖然我們不在乎台灣到底叫「中華民國」還是「中華台北」，甚至「福爾摩沙」，我們非常非常反感你們用「支」這個字形容我們。中國人不喜歡你們很多時候完全沒有理由的種族主義。我是滿族人，絕大多數中國人和台灣人都是漢人，我看你們互相種族歧視的時候我真的不明白。估計原住民和中國其他少數民族也不明白。
@@SomeoneFromBeijing 完全同意, 我一向把中國政府跟中國人分開來看, 我對中國政府的反感並不包括大部分的中國人民.
@SomeoneFromBeijing I really hope that that is the case. But most Chinese I know really think Taiwan belongs to China and the way they acted at the Olympic stadium proved it.
@@algernonca The people who don’t care won’t actively do anything. We are just chilling at home. You are seeing what you want to see, and they are seeing what they want to see. There is very little point do debate if “the people around you” are like “the people around me”. But I do like to point out that people can choose their own circles.
@@SomeoneFromBeijing
謝謝你，也請忽略一些過度極端的網友，這樣的人兩岸都有，但我相信一定都只是少數網友，不會是多數。絕大多數台灣人雖然堅定捍衛台灣主權，但也都有自己喜歡、欣賞的中國人（偶像、運動員、歌手等等），也很希望在保有主權的前提下和中國和平相處做朋友，我們只是想保有自己的主體性和主權，不願被統一，但絕對不會無腦歧視中國平民百姓，網路以外的現實生活中大部份的台灣人還是很熱情友好的，根本極少有人會隨便用“支”這種歧視性字眼去形容中國人，我自己在現實生活中是從來沒碰過，所以真的不用去理會網路上一些過度偏激的言論，網路世界容易放大情緒真的看看就好。
就像中國網友雖然很愛用“蛙”來嘲諷台灣，但我相信這也不會是多數中國人的作為，只是中國人口真的太~多~了~ 有時真的讓人不由自主感到可怕😅，因為就算只有1%的中國人在網路上罵台灣人，那感覺還是鋪天蓋地，好像都能把台灣人淹死😂
As a Taiwanese person, thank you for talking about this. There’s another layer to take into account that I want to point out. So many of our best athletes are indigenous Taiwanese from other parts of Taiwan; they are neither from Taipei nor Chinese by blood. The name “Chinese Taipei” is an extra slap in the face from colonialism - it would be equivalent to the US team having to compete under the name “Caucasian New York”. But now imagine the US is given the choice between competing under that ridiculously insulting name and depriving the nation’s most beloved athletes (think Biles, Phelps, the entire Team USA) from being able to participate in the olympics. Would you really rather boycott out of principle and watch the rest of the world compete? I feel like our presence speaks much louder than our absence would.
there has no taiwanese vs chinese, by the means of humanity, nationality, history, and culture. taiwanese are chinese, who live in taiwan.
This is an interesting point, but from the Chinese perspective, the indigenous people of Taiwan would be classified as "ethnic minorities". The Chinese boast of having a diverse 56 minorities making up the country. In this way, the Indigenous Taiwanese would also be classified as "Chinese ethnic minorities". This is from the China perspective, however, if you speak from the ROC/Taiwan perspective, no other name should be used besides "ROC Taiwan"... then this would end up with quitting the Olympics simply because China is big enough to bully other countries, just like the US can do now.
You purposely try to mislead people who don't know the history and culture. In fact, about 90% of the population are Han nationality, similar to that of mainland China. Taiwan is a province under the constitutions of either ROC or PRC. Are you suggesting using a province name to represent ROC? Another option: change ROC to TOC and the constitution first. Unfortunately, even your US dad (the way many people in Taiwan like to say) will not support the independence of Taiwan.
李洋是福建金門人，要他用台灣名義出賽嗎？
这里的Chinese可以等同于korean，南韩北韩人都不会否认他们是Korean，台湾和大陆人都是Chinese 你要是否认你是文化上血统上的中国人也就是华人，那是你的自由，但绝对不是事实。至于你说的白人纽约，根本是不恰当的比喻，完全不一样的概念，中华台北的争执点在于政治，台湾应该以什么民意参加国际组织，而和种族概念无关，Chinese在这里就是个折中的概念，我现在解释为什么是台北，因为台北是台湾当局的政治中心，台湾媒体也会用北京代表大陆当局和大陆政府，你又理解错误了，Chinese Taipei含义应该是中华民国政府台湾当局，当然大陆会直接吃豆腐叫中国台北……你拿白人纽约距离，完全不符合逻辑，韩国人会比较容易理解……
我更加习惯用中文，希望你可以看懂
ROC: I am China!
PRC: No, I am China!
ROC: Fine, I am Taiwan then!
PRC: No! You are China!
Taiwan: What the actual f@$%!
PRC: no! You are part of China
Cheap shot. ROC and PRC both agreed they are part of China.
LMAO
😂😂😂
@@eddxiing cheap shot, it should be ROC and PRC all say: we are part of China.
There's this clear cultural difference between us, the west, the USes, the Canadas, the Europes of the world and how we view sovereignty, our name, our identities, and our pride. Taiwan has this modern history of playing the balancing act of securing their pride while doing their best not to run afoul of the institutions that refuse to acknowledge them openly. For that, I feel like Taiwan's culture exudes pragmatism even at the fault of what we in the west would hold dear. And in my view? It's extremely respectable. It's a way to be relevant on the world stage and tell everyone that, no matter what's thrown their way, they will persevere, and they *_will_* be there.
NOT until the REUNIFICATION with its Motherland China.
yeah.. i feel like this is such an important skill, navigating between the fronts. we also see it a lot in the division is society in many western countries, where populism creates different realities for people to an extend where both sides can't have proper conversations with each other. how are we supposed to deal with serious world-wide issues like climate and ai if we are not on the same page? We need people to step in between and connect the divided and in taiwan this balancing act is everyday life, at least from a political perspective. very respectable indeed
There is no such thing as "Taiwan's culture", their culture is tied to the PRC's and of centuries of shared history. They are the same people as in PRC, it is only who is governing them that is different. All athletes only want to compete and they don't want politics getting in their way.
@@rcbrascanabsolutely but why not let a people compete under a name of their choosing? The western world led by the US actually pushed ROC out of the UN in favour of letting the PRC in. Why not let both countries coexist? Isn’t that what freedom and integrity is supposed to be? Instead of being letting ourselves being bullied by the PRC. The ROC by all accounts is a separate country, as separate as Singapore is. It has its own currency, government, and a very different political structure from the PRC. Just because the PRC refuses to recognise it, doesn’t mean the rest of the world needs to accommodate this.
I know the PRC uses its veto power to keep the ROC out. It seems odd to me that the 194 countries aren’t all equal and 5 nations that were part of the Allies in WW2 can dictate to the rest of the UN based on events that happened 60 years ago.
When the bully nextdoor threatens you everyday at gunpoint and denies others from making friends with you, you learn to pick your battles.
As a Hong Konger, it is great to see videos like this🤙🏻
Maybe you can also make a video about Hong Kong
I am a Taiwanese and have always liked your high-quality videos. Thank you for taking the time to study the relationship between Taiwan and the Olympics. This provides me with new perspectives to think about issues that I am already familiar with. Taiwan has always had very divided opinions on its relations with China, but I think we should be called Taiwan, because no matter what, WE ARE on this land and WE ARE qualified.
Why did you vote for the name? I guess you are democrati The people had spoken.
go cry
you're just a puppet used by the US
It's curious. In western countries, there's anti-Sino sentiment, yet you choose to stand with the US.
While in China nobody would hate against fellow chinese
@@davidwong5197 Taiwanese people didn't vote "for" the name. It's a choice between accepting the name Chinse Taipei vs being barred from the games. The people chose the former.
@@samyeh7995 I remembered the referendum vote. They have a choice to be called Taiwan. It MIGHT have consequences. But PEOPLE chose Chinese Taipei. During that time all the debates were about the name not Olympic participation. Most people don't even care. The fear at the time was war.Tiawanese have no balls.
As a Taiwanese American, I vote for the name "Taiwan" 100%. Boycotting the Olympic doesnt do anything and only hurts the Taiwanese athletes.
True. Boycotting the Olympics robs young promising athletes of fullfilling their dream of participating. For some that's a once in a lifetime chance
You are a Chinese Taiwanese American！
You're a chinese american
We are Taiwanese American.not Chinese American.
@@Christina-gj5fc No you are chinese. Taiwan is not a country
I agree with your final verdict. Keep in mind the voting is heavily influenced in Taiwan, similar to how liberalism is heavily “pushed” in America.
Sure Taiwan “voted” for it, but Communist China is exerting MASSIVE pressure on them all throughout this.
I was just reading last night about how a lot of countries don't have embassies in Taiwan, instead having an "office" that "happens" to function exactly like an embassy. The American version is called the American Institute in Taiwan (most other countries use Taipei instead of Taiwan in the name of their equivalents) and it's a nonprofit largely owned and operated by the Dept of State. There's also a counterpart "embassy" in the U.S. called the Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office in the United States.
This is because Taiwan is not a country.
Hi Chinese bot.
Many countries have undercover embassies in Taiwan.
The Spanish undercover embassy uses a stamp that says “Manila Embassy”. So their documents are signed as “In Taipei, (date), Manila, Philippines”
And vice-versa. We do not have any embassies in countries that don't officially 'recognise' us. For example, I'm in the UK, and our 'pseudo-embassy' here is called 'Taipei Representative Office in the UK'. This is always an experience to have to explain that to other people.
@@lialeeCO As a Malaysian, I find the name of the Malaysian “embassy” in Taiwan kinda cute, Malaysian Friendship and Trade Centre 馬來西亞友誼及貿易中心😊
Hope this video will help get more recognition for us as an individual country, which we have been since WWII.
How hypocritical is the Olympic Committee. Where are equality, justice? Not even allow Taiwanese chanting Taiwan n showing their flags in the stadiums n gymnasiums… haha shameful
Everything serves for politics...
IOC approved Chinese Taipei flags only
That's because more than 100 countries don't recognize Taiwan as a country at all😂including the United States. Even if your media claims that Taiwan is a country, it doesn't count. Officially, it has never been a country, because China's civil war in 1949 was due to American intervention.
The green flag is not Taiwan or ROC’s flag. The Green colour represents DDP (but not ROC), the ruling party in Taiwan who is promoting the independence of Taiwan (fact: only 40% for DDP in election but DDP managed to defeat two other political parties). So obviously it’s very political. Imagine Kashmir people waving Kashmir’s flag of independence, or Okinawa people waving Okinawa’s flag for independence. Enjoy the games and get out of politics as we don’t want to watch endless political battles in the games.
Right, you should also question why Israel can join the Olympic when Russia and Belarus being banned.
I had this exact question while watching the opening ceremony, but I didn't think it would make for such an interesting answer. Great video, as always.
It's not often I get to like a video twice
Taiwanese here. I really resent the KMT for insisting on the name "Chinese" back then, which prevented Taiwanese people from participating in international sporting events under the name "Taiwan." The result of the referendum in 2018 was also due to the KMT deceiving Taiwanese people, saying that if we used the name "Taiwan," the IOC would reject us, so many citizens thought it would harm the athletes' chances of competing.
I wondered who Chinese Taipei was during the World Baseball Classic last year. Thanks for the video.
I am watching this as a visitor in Taipei right now and I agree wholeheartedly with the comments. You asked "what's the point of representing your country if you can't represent your country" and that second part is just not true. I think the people here feel represented by these athletes. The fact that China and Taiwan compete as individual nations is "enough" for the Taiwanese to feel national pride. To me the whole situation is so magical and the fact that Taiwanese people live in a middle ground between two states (being a country vs being part of china) is such an important balancing act. There often is no black and white in life, and imo life is most successful when you find a golden, peaceful balance. And I experience that peace a lot here in Taipei.
Taiwan will find her real name in the world… As a Taiwanese, I will never give up any chance to shout it out… 🇹🇼
Amend the Constitution of the Republic of China
有種就獨立，如果覺得正當不要投機
This flag come form China😂
承认你是一个省很难吗
@@j-ct4wd 不翻牆很難嗎？
3:05 Love your work, and always a pleasure to have such an informative video since you're at Vox. The only point I want to clarify is Chang's name as a Sinosphere person. Both "CHANG Hsing-hsien" (zh) and "Seiken CHO" (ja) are transliterations of his native name, "張星賢". His native name was kept when participating in the Olympics since the "Kominka movement" (皇民化運動 or Japanisation) didn't emerge until 1937. Or else, he will likely be using a more Japanese surname like Seiken WARI or Seiken HARIMOTO as his name. The characters of his given name also exist in general Japanese kanji so it might be okay with.
P.S.: A fun fact is that many Sinosphere people have an "English name" apart from their "Name". Mine was registered along with the "Chinese Name" in Birth Name in English.
Thank you! I had a feeling it was a case of transliteration, but I didn't have enough of a language background to be sure. It didn't sound like a Japanese person's name at all, nor did it sound like a Chinese or Korean name (save the surname "Cho.")
I'm Taiwanese American, and I loved this video! Can't speak for the people that voted on the referedum but personally I feel that by continuing to compete, even under an alias, reminds the world, such as yourself, to continue asking the question "What the heck is 'Chinese Taipei'"!? Thank you for putting this out there!
an American-born Chinese asks himself "What the heck is 'Chinese Taipei'"!?
Thanks you American.Chinese yellow people sucks. I like Western countries .and your white and black people.your country American is great.I like Christmas and Halloween. Respect from China❤
Yeah i found it intruiging and just knew that taiwan uses the term chinese taipei during the badminton mens double finals at the olympics.
只剩反共教育了，用反共讓自己成為一個國家，這很失敗！
@@Ali瑤海 amen.
儘管國際上被稱呼為中華台北但也僅限於一些國際賽事及國際組織在使用，全家出國玩 被問到從哪裡來，我還是很驕傲的說出台灣兩個字🇹🇼 我愛台灣！
他们只知道你来自台湾地区，但他们也知道地球上就从没有台湾这么个国家
报个家门地址还给你自豪起来了，绷不住了
i love the production quality of this video, definitely earned a like ❤
No Taiwanese were interviewed for this film. Sadly.
A lot of Taiwanese doesn’t know the history well like you. Thank you for the video.
I voted for using TAIWAN to participate Olympic back then, but I just realised that ROC doesn’t actually own Taiwan and penghu island, so if we change our name of Olympic into Taiwan, it is going to be confusing and it going to be even harder to be real Taiwan.
Great video! As a Taiwanese, I think we should NOT boycott at any opportunity can be involved these days. We are always been excluded in international events(like WHA) under China's influence. So as long as Taiwanese people can show up at any stage, it's always a good PR to the world and a thorn in the China government's side that they have to address. But the more they claim about Taiwan is a part of them, the more people will recognises the oddness of the situation. Practically, I think Taiwanese people should participate in as many event as we can.
And the name issue, I voted for using the name ''Taiwan'' to represent our country as well(but I am much prefer using"Formosa", it's a beautiful name with rich history.) But now, we are much more recognised by foreigners regardless using other names instead. So I personally don't mind about the name issue today.
Sigh…
Sorry, you have violated the law. What is ironically amusing is that most people from Taiwan often try to portray themselves as weak and pitiable to gain sympathy and deceive those who are unaware of the Constitution of the Republic of China and the historical context of the Chinese Civil War. The Constitution of the Republic of China clearly defines the relationship between the Republic of China and Taiwan. You lawbreakers.
Portuguese didn't seek the Chinese settlers approval for the name "Formosa" .
Taiwan the name has it's roots with indigenous tribes.
Hello from Yilan! Thanks for your video and helping to spread awareness.
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身為台灣人，我也很想在奧運上看到"台灣"的正名！
可惜的是，奧運的運動者沒有這麼多時間等待...(cry)
很開心在奧運比賽中，看見這麼多國家的人為台灣發聲！很感動！！
Just want to give some background on the referendum to petition for a name change for the Olympics. China did everything it could to threaten Taiwan, including getting the IOC to issue a statement that Taiwan would be banned from the Olympics if the referendum went through. Under that type of coercion, I would hardly say the referendum reflects how the Taiwanese people actually feel about the subject.
@@3owlpro Wrong. General Assembly Resolution 2758 only says that the PRC is the sole representation of China and does not comment on the status of Taiwan. Taiwan as a territory separated from an enemy state as the result of World War 2 qualifies for UN trusteeship status as according to Article 77 of the UN charter and is guaranteed right to self-determination by the UN Charter. The only reason it didn't officially become a UN trust territory is because the ROC and the USSR had veto rights and they wouldn't allow it. That however does not negate the fact that prior to the signing of the 1952 San Francisco treaty, Taiwan was officially under control of the Allied Powers and the Supreme Allied Commander. The KMT forces were only present in Taiwan because they were given the order to represent the Allied Forces for the surrender of Japanese troops in Taiwan by Douglas MacArthur's General Order No. 1, which also instructed the KMT forces to accept Japanese surrender in Northern Vietnam. The Allied Powers merely delegated administrative rights of these places to the ROC, which did not mean a transfer of sovereignty. The same can be said of the Soviets accepting Japanese surrender in Manchuria. In the 1952 Treaty of San Francisco, Japan was instructed by SCAP to only give up the sovereignty of Taiwan without specifying a recipient. It meant Taiwan was administrated by the Allied Powers and the sovereignty of Taiwan was and still is pending for self-determination in accordance with the UN charter. That is why the US only commits to the protection of the people of Taiwan, and not the colonial regime attached to it in the Taiwan Relations Act.
@@paiwanhan 中华民国是中国内战的叛贼而已，你自己问问台湾人，台湾是不是中华民国的一部分，中国会完成统一，就这么简单
台湾代表权的问题从49年吵到89年才定案，40年的口水仗还不过瘾吗，你们不满意大陆也不满意，就是个没有办法的办法，89年到现在三十几年相安无事了，麻烦别再搞事情，问题的症结从来不在奥运会，别去为难运动员
You are china hater and lying through your teeth
@@paiwanhan Japan surrendered Taiwan to the government of Republic of China, who now resides in Taiwan. People's Republic of China was not even established yet at that time.
First and for most, I will never acknowledge whatever China wants Taiwan to be called. I'll call Taiwan what they want to be called, Taiwan.
In fact, people in mainland China also call it Taiwan in their daily lives. It is like an ordinary place name in China, just like the British call their capital London, not London, England. Almost no people in mainland China will say Chinese Taipei. Only in political or international occasions will they call it Chinese Taiwan or Chinese Taipei.
Actually, first western recorded name of the island is Formosa
Well, look at you passport.
蛙？
@@gantulgaganhuyag717 However, it wasn't the westerners first settling at Taiwan. Who care what the west first named this region? XD
Finally someone talks about this on youtube its so important to share awareness of the Taiwan situation with the olympics. We must stop bending the knee to communist chinas demands.
a billion people ain't human because they dont subscribe your own political system? this is why the west is an evil empire.
徒劳无功的吠叫
@@JCH-qn7tt你得让他们自嗨一下
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@@Lemon-maid 也是
Wrong at 3:08, in the Japanese colony of Taiwan, you don’t get to choose whether your name can be Chinese or Japanese. Most Chinese Taiwanese were forced to adopt Japanese, just like how they did it to the Korean, and in the process erasing the indigenous culture of both Taiwan Island and Korea.
taiwanese were more compliant than koreans though, they were trusted enough to be japanese allies in their war efforts in ww2.
@@chy4919 I guess that's because Japan was less harsh to us compare to how they treated Koreans. By the end of the regime, Japan's intent was to make Taiwan (island) officially a part of Japan and use the island as a base to go further south. Japan would naturally want the people on the island to like them, or at least not hate them.
Ethnic Chinese weren't bothered much, but Taiwanese Aboriginals got merked badly and were assimilated into Japanese Culture.
Are you a member of VANK?
And today Taiwanese love Japanese.
Great video Phil! As a Taiwanese, I think the name change should be allowed by the IOC with the support of major countries.
I would love to see Tiawan host an Olympics someday.
it's pretty interesting - i had to leave this out of the video, but they hosted the "world games" in 2009 (a sorta audition for the olympics for both sports and locations). even while in taiwan, they had to call themselves chinese taipei, which led to a very weird opening cermony.
@@PhilEdwardsInc - Huh, I did not know that.
@PhilEdwardsInc They tried to call themselves Taiwan during 2020 Tokyo Olympics after a referendum, and it did not end well for them after PRC Intervention with the EAOC
@PhilEdwardsInc I remembered during the last World Baseball Classic they were one of the 4 hosts during pod play which just made it interesting because they has to be Chinese Taipei. Interesting fact was that China did not play in that pod they had to go to Japan and play in the Tokyo Dome. Another interesting fact was during the Cuba Taiwan game there was a Cuba superfan who had been at all the games there and several times he unveiled the flag of Taiwan.
@@PhilEdwardsInc amen. a PROVINCE island eh......
Taiwan's names in the Olympics:
1956 FORMOSA | CHINA (During the parade, it's F category instead of C)
1960 FORMOSA (KMT let the leading person hold a "under protest" sign)
1964 TAIWAN
1968 TAIWAN
1972 ROC
1976 TAIWAN OR FORMOSA (BUT KMT regime boycotted)
1980s until now CHINESE TAIPEI(During the parade, it's T category instead of C)
Btw. the people who escaped from China with KMT and Chiang KS were only around 12% of Taiwan's population, but ruled over Taiwan until late 1990s and early 2000s.
Taiwan is now democracy and most people like the name Taiwan; however, many are afraid that Taiwan's players cannot compete the international games, so Taiwanese are holding back of the name change idea. It is not like some claims that Taiwanese don't like the name Taiwan based on the referendum result some years back.
One more thing is that most Taiwanese or Chinese did not know about Taiwan's participation with name Formosa or Taiwan before. KMT and CCP governments did not let their citizens know about it. For example, KMT government always told Taiwanese that "we" joined the Olympic Games with the name ROC/中華民國.
Just check out why Taiwan Island can join the Olympics. It is just because it belongs to a country, ROC who represents China before 1972.
@@Qiushishuo Yes that was the case until the UN vote made PRC the legitimate government.
@@Qiushishuothis video actually just told you that the first time OUR people joined the Olympics was in the name of Japan. What republic of china? Regimes come and go, yet Taiwan has always been here and will remain here.
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Taiwan province forcibly annexed by Japan !
Chinese (including indigenous) got conscripted to die for the Japanese emperor !
@@gottabemeyo Your people are from China. Second class during Japanese colonization.
I really love your content. It's always very informative. Things I didn't know I wanted to know until I watch the video. Thanks!😁
As a Taiwanese, I would like to provide a general perspective in Taiwan. First of all, NO ONE want to boycott the Olympic due to this naming issue. Second, most people feel uncomfortable with the name "Chinese Taipei" but in the same time is willing to tolerate this compromise. Third, People voted to not change the name does not mean they like Chinese Taipei, the reasoning is mostly based on fear of being cancel by IOC due to the name change.
This video is very interesting and i will highly support making a movie about 楊傳廣 C.K.Yang
I believe this will change eventually as more Taiwanese identify themselves as Taiwanese and not "Chinese" due to the negative connotations that it brings and the growing differences in almost every aspect (socially, identity, culturally, etc.).
No one cares about what the being define themselves, they will kneel down when PLA land there
Btw, There are no such thing called Taiwanese, or hongkonger
@@Judy457 says the person that just used the words "Taiwanese" and "Hongkonger"
Great video. I think people at the Paris Olympics were ejected from the stands recently for holding a sign that said Taiwan.
“Ejected” by who? Paris Police? Stadium Security? And Why? Who cares? If I as a citizen of the US help up a “First Peoples” sign at the Paris Olympics should someone drag me away? What’s the difference? 🤔
yeah because the staff at paris genuinely respect the one china policy and respect international law, unlike some people
@@LeKy-yd2zj They're scared of the PRC's economic power and don't want to get on their bad side.
@@glennac You'll be thrown out for raising a Nazi flag in the US I'm sure of it, and I'm also sure that this flag was once a country as well
@@user-gthds44hjinX bad comparison with Nazi flag. Holding Taiwan flag anywhere else has no problem. The only complaint came from China.
Great video. As a Taiwanese, I thank you for this video to let people know more about Taiwan’s struggle in Olympics.
The IOC refusing to acknowledge Taiwan as a country is strong evidence pointing to who really controls the IOC.
Non-countries aren't allowed to send teams to the Olympics, so clearly the IOC is recognising them as a country. The name is the issue though because two countries want to represent all of China in an sporting event
@@sblbb929 Untrue, lots of teams are non-countries like Puerto Rico.
@@sblbb929Hong Kong is not a country but they have their team, so does Taiwan.
Taiwan was able to keep Mainland China out of the Olympics. I would call it "What's good for the goose is good for the gander". At least Taiwan can compete albeit with a modified name. The Mainland is far more generous than Taiwan under similar circumstances.
@@sblbb929 As a Taiwanese, I want to say no matter what your name changes, they will still ban your name and flag, olympic was slaved by CCP😂
As a Taiwanese who watches your videos all the time - thank you for making this video, Phil. Our struggle has always been a tough one and many from outside the country might not know exactly what has been going on. Thank you for using this video to present an excellent question, and in some way, point out the absurdity of the situation: a country that has to change its name on different occasions through time and place.
Taiwan never being a country. if it was, tell me the official name of this so called country.
I’m convinced that the referendum of 2018 isn’t as representative in terms of people’s self-identify as it shows.
The public believed that they must vote against applying for competing as Taiwan otherwise they would be excluded from the sports community. It is a decision based on oppressed free-will of the majority.
The referendum asked whether the government should apply under the title of “Taiwan”, however this does not exclude the permissibility of applying under the name of Chinese Taipei in case of IOC’s refusal.
According to the “Agreement between the International Olympic Committee, Lausanne and the Chinese Taipei Olympic Committee, Taipei”, a treaty binding both parties, the IOC is obliged to allow Taiwanese athletes to perform under the name of Chinese Taipei.
However, this legal vision wasn’t wide spread enough so people had a misbelief that voting for calling ourselves Taiwan would hinder the opportunities of our athletes, which, based on what’s I’ve stated, isn’t the case.
Why Taiwan is under "Chinese Taipei"? In short, it was IOC's work. Former IOC chairman Juan Antonio Samaranch of Spain convinced mainland China to participate, and negotiated Taiwan changed its name. China boycotted Olympics until 1984 LA games, because Taiwan always participated.
Even though as a Taiwanese I wish we can compete in Olympics using the name Taiwan, I also want our athletes to have the opportunity to shine at the world stage to increase the visibility of Taiwan. Boycotting Olympics is a passive method that won’t make any splash in the world community for a small country that is already facing so many obstacles. I guess you have to put yourself in our position to understand the dilemma we are facing, but it is difficult when you are from a country that doesn’t have a neighbor that constantly wants to take your freedom away.
做你的春秋大梦吧，一个割据政权占领的省还妄图成为一个国家，先问问十四亿中国人答不答应
Boycott doesn't solve the issue. Exposure and raising awareness do help to let people know how absurd it is to call the country Chinese Taipei.
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Taiwan stand on your name. TAIWAN IS TAIWAN.. and the Philippines loves Taiwan...
Now can you explain me why UK goes to Olympics as a holly trinity with Union Flag and all that and in World Soccer Cup Wales (when they get to classify), Scotland and England compete separately? My theory is that in Olympics they don't get enough athletes to compete in Isolation but in Soccer (or football as we like to call here) they do.
It's due to England, Scotland, Wales, and N. Ireland all having separate football associations.
0:56 Can confirm, this video did make me think for the first time
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Thank you for making a video discussing this issue! This is one of the countless clear signs that Taiwan has been bullied by China for years. The world deserves to see the truth 💪 Thank you again!
Next please do the same cover for the other Olympic participants that aren't official countries, like Puerto Rico, Bermuda, Aruba, American Samoa, Aruba, Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Cook Islands, Guam, Puerto Rico, British Virgin Islands, and US Virgin Islands. Why aren't these places or country like entities independent? Why are referendums actively suppressed in most of these places despite many of them having independence movements? Why have independence movements in many of these places suppressed by the respective occupation forces. On the other hand, there are also other places where even NOCs are suppressed , e.g. Sint Maarten and Curaçao. Then there are also the most unfortunate of the lot, e.g. French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Mayotte, New Caledonia, French Polynesia, these places are fully suppressed representing themselves at Olympics, much less independence or self determination at the world stage. Don't just feature Taiwan, at least their own referendum approved the use of Chinese Taipei, but in these other places, among which, there are many with populations that wants independence from the occupying nation, they don't even get a say
FYI, the IOC has allowed the formation of National Olympic Committees (NOCs) to represent individual nations. These do not meet the strict requirements for political sovereignty that other international organizations demand.
Start with Puerto Rico and New Caledonia, these will be interesting stories to tell
Would be indeed
But perhaps that is something that makes the Olympics above politics while also having to wrestle with it.
Olympic competition is at one and the same time about athletes showing their strength, regardless of where they come from, but also about a people - a nation, kingdom, republic - showing what its people have to offer. It's an interesting dance between the two, and the degree to which nation or individual takes precedence tells us it's not all one thing or the other, I suppose.
Imagine the following scenario:
A Taiwan athlete wins a gold medal. At the awards ceremony, as the national anthem is being played, the athlete pulls out a piece of paper saying "Republic of China" and showing an image of the banned flag of Taiwan. What would the fallout be? Of course she would be sent home, without her medal. But would there be a hero's welcome? Or would she get disdain for jeopardizing Taiwan's ability to compete? Or both? I'm curious to hear from Taiwan citizens on this.
As a Taiwanese, I think this will be a difficult situation to handle, but I’ll said it’s both.
To some of us, they may be deemed as hero(atleast to me), but to the rest of us, this kind of move did jeopardize our future to competing in the Olympic or even in other worldwide event.
Not to mention that if a Taiwanese athlete does this, PRC will definitely try to revenge us by all means(and the revenge won’t be just in sports for sure), which I don’t think we are ready to withstand.
The Chinese will come and snatch this paper away。
a couple of months of internet fame, known as that person back home, probably keep the gold but get a fine or even a short ban, individual protest wouldn't effect the rest of the Taiwan's Olympics. depending on the sport, say badminton, probably make things awkward career wise as china could probably have enough pull leading to a longer ban.
As being athletes of one country, they are expected to come together and fight for our country. Whatever the name of our Country, we are one of it.
I think it's the democracy education taught us not to infringe on other people's rights. Nobody is going to take the risk that would make us be banned from the Olympics.
BTW, no one knows that what will the committee do after we done that. Would it be a banned or be a freedom of speech.
There is no country named Taiwan in the world, so there is no flag of Taiwan at all.
If like you wished，the flag and name of the Republic of China were presented, the athletes present theirself as Chinese and claim the whole China as their territory as defined by the constitution of the Republic China.
Yeah so the cover of my passport says "Taiwan" and not "ROC". Only the photo page says "Republic of China" because it has to, TECHNICALLY, but we've been known as just Taiwan for decades now.
Great video! I’ve always had trouble explaining to literally anyone about what happened with the Chinese Taipei name, and your video did it perfectly.
Also fyi, the World Cube Association, the governing body of competitions of speed solving Rubik’s cube like puzzles, officially adopted the name Chinese Taipei starting from 2023. Taiwan was recognized correctly as “Taiwan” in the cubing scene from 2006 (first official cubing competition in Taiwan) to 2023. It’s sad, but China’s influence was too strong for them to resist.
wow crazy example - somebody brought this up for magic: the gathering too
I’m an American living with in-laws in Taiwan at the moment. Taiwan just played China in Badminton and we were complaining about the fact that Taiwan couldn’t use its actual flag and name the whole time, but as soon as Taiwan won, everyone in the room went nuts! The question you ask is a tough one, but I think is missing an important third option. Should China stop being a bully so Taiwan can do what it wants? The fact that the Taiwanese have to answer questions like the two you posed at all is blatantly unfair and is obviously because of the pressure China puts on the international community to keep it that way, so why shouldn’t we put the question to the People’s Republic of China instead of the Taiwanese, who are clearly the victims in all of this and are stuck between a rock (China’s anger) and a hard place (being excluded from the international community if boycotting)?
Taiwan is always going to be a thorn in China's side due to being founded by the losers of its last civil war, so it's not likely that China will ever relent unless either country's government collapses.
It's also not so simple as "China bad, Taiwan good," as Taiwan was founded by displacing natives and is as much a victim of itself through things like the white terror as it is of China.
The obvious answer is as you said. The PRC is a bully and Taiwan shouldn’t have to change its name. But the world is neither fair nor just nor ethical. Those with power always get what they want, and that makes it suck for the rest of us.
While The people's republic of China is the bully in this case, only 12 countries recognise Taiwan. (most of them very small countries) Shouldn't the rest of the world make a stand on this and recognise Taiwan? I think the fact that Taiwan's official name is the Republic of China makes it very difficult for others to fully recognise them as a sovereign nation.
@@MrTuxycompletely agree with you~~ people talk a lot about freedom and democracy, but more and more allies have left Taiwan to get money and investments from China
Who's being the bully? Didn't the US interfere to prevent China from uniting one way or another? Maybe the US should stop poking its ass in other country's business?
Why was ROC not using China in the 1960, 1964, 1968 Olympics while PRC was not accepted in the UN until 1971? Can anyone explain it for me?
If you think the Taiwanese had a tough question before them you should talk to the Haudenosaunee (fka Iroquois). Because of the IOC's national eligibility rules, when lacrosse comes to the Olympics in 2028 one of the best national lacrosse teams in the world will be forced to choose whether or not to represent the USA. And just an important bit of context not everyone might be aware of *the Haudenosaunee invented lacrosse*
yes! there are actually a few U.S. territories that compete at the Olympics, so it wouldn't be that unique for them to compete either.
@@PhilEdwardsInc Those territories were grandfathered in. Current IOC rules require a nation to be an "internationally recognized state". Might make for a good story? 😅
I strongly believe Taiwan deserves to recognize as a Full Country and we need to open our eyes to Taiwan. Because I can't believe how Taiwan is developed compared to the other Asian Countries. You can't imangin how Taiwanese people are really good people and hospitable. I love Taiwan.❤
What you want and what is realistic are misaligned for Taiwan. They have decided to compromise and show their presence in international events without proper recognition. It seems it's working in TW's favor not just becoz of their resilience but also thanks to PRC's aggressive stance making other countries sympathizing TW. Hard to say if TW has made the right choice but so far i would say yes as all pieces are falling into place.
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I enjoyed this video, much appreciated.
Actually Taiwan is not the official country name. The country name of the Taiwan island is Republic of China, according to their constitution. Don't mix with the island name "Taiwan" and the country name "Republic of China".
So it is impossible to use Taiwan in any international organisation, because the country name is "Republic of China". "Taiwan" is just like a nickname. Unless they offically amend their constitution, change the country name from "Republic of China" to "Republic of Taiwan", you cannot let others put your nickname on papers instead of your officail name, right?
维基百科里面。。。没有中华民国英语版本。。。。中华民国直接指向台湾岛。舆论霸权
I'm Taiwanese.
In 1949, the KMT was defeated by the CCP（Chinese Communist Party) and fled from China to Taiwan, ruling Taiwan as the "Republic of China".
Taiwan did not have a second political party until 1987. Before that, the KMT was one-party dominant system and there was no freedom of speech.
The KMT believed that they were Chinese and came to Taiwan only temporarily, so they did not like and refused to use "Taiwan" to participate in the Olympics.
After 1987, Taiwan became a democratic country, and in 2019 Taiwan is the first country in Asia to legalize same-sex marriage.
Most Taiwanese identify themselves as "Taiwanese", but changing the constitution of the "Republic of China" is very complicated, and China will also use this as an excuse to attack Taiwan.
Referendum of 2018 "Do you agree to use "Taiwan" as full name to apply to participate in all international sports events and the 2020 Tokyo Olympics?" 45.2% agreed and 54.8% disagreed.
The big reason was that the KMT claimed that it could not participate in the Olympics without "Chinese Taipei".
Many people voted disagree because they fear changing the name will prevent athletes from participating.
Taiwan is obviously a country, but it cannot participate in the United Nations due to threats and intimidation from China.
Cannot join the WHO, even though Taiwan has done the best in COVID-19 prevention in the world.
This is a very sad situation.
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但事实上，1987年并没有一个新的叫“台湾”的国家诞生，换了个国会而已，一个国家的诞生总要有一个起点，并得到其他国家的承认，不是吗？“台湾”这个国家从未“诞生”，不奇怪吗？即便是承认这个政权的十几个国家也是和中华民国建交。哪个国家的诞生不是这样呢？你举出一个例子就行，不然就要解释为什么台湾如此例外？
@@liuxinzheng 阿布哈兹：阿布哈兹在1992-93年间赢得与格鲁吉亚的分离战争，1999年宣布独立，2008年获得俄罗斯和少数几个国家的承认。
外德涅斯特：外德涅斯特在苏联解体后宣布独立，1992年与摩尔多瓦发生短暂战争后脱离，但至今未被广泛承认。
北塞浦路斯土耳其共和国：1974年土耳其入侵北塞浦路斯，1983年北塞浦路斯土耳其共和国宣布成立，但至今只有土耳其承认。
Taiwan is one province of China, no doubt.
if you look your car plate, you have Taiwan province, Fujian provice...
聯合國：台灣是中國一個省
中國：台灣是中國一個省
美國白宮：不支持台獨
俄羅斯：台灣是中國一個省
烏克蘭：支持一個中國原則
歐盟：不會承認台灣的國家地位
澳洲總理：台灣只是一個經濟體
塞爾維亞：台灣是中國一個省
宏都拉斯：支持一個中國原則
泰國：台灣是中國的一部分
巴西：台灣問題是中國內政
菲律賓：台海軍演是中國內政
奧運會：Chinese Taipei
WTO：中國台澎金馬關稅區
ICAO：中國台灣省
Taiwanese here. Thank you for making this qualified video and letting more people get to know the complication between Taiwan and China in such an engaging way.
Taiwanese people can be divided into three groups:
1. Those who believe the Republic of China (ROC) is just a temporary government occupying the island, and that we should abandon it to create a new nation called Taiwan.
2. Those who believe the Republic of China is Taiwan, and that we are already an independent country.
3. Those who consider themselves Chinese and believe we should find a way to reunite with China to form one great and powerful nation.
Currently, most Taiwanese fall into group 2. This viewpoint provides a convenient explanation that helps avoid conflict on both sides. The ROC government can continue claiming to be a country, so people will keep supporting it, while the PRC can maintain that the "C" in the name ROC proves it is still a part of "China" that’s temporarily separated, but will eventually reunite.
That’s why some Taiwanese are so sick of the name "Republic of China." These people are in group 1, believing that using the ROC name is just self-deception and needs to stop as soon as possible. As mentioned in the video at 11:30, the issue lies in the fact that the word "Chinese" can be translated in two completely different ways, but only Mandarin speakers understand the distinction. For the rest of the world, "Chinese" simply means "something that belongs to China."
And for those in group 3, they’re mostly elders and we’re waiting for them to pass away.
ROC group here, the constitution is the constitution
DPP used to be type 1, but after Tsai became president they realise if they are Taiwan, they would have to return territory outside Taiwan to China and that would be political sucide, after that DPP no longer bring on the issue in government. it is easy to say one thing, hard when you actually have to do it and deal with the consequences...
台湾省地命运不是割据政权决定的，也不是台独决定的，我们正在等待你们这些台独势力修改中华民国宪法，希望你们行动起来，加速进程。
lol, "And for those in group 3, they’re mostly elders and we’re waiting for them to pass away." As heartless as this seems, I can totally understand this sentiment.
I haven't had to write "Taiwan, R.O.C." on overseas immigration forms in decades. It's been "Taiwan" for a long time now.
I understand that in 1976 the Canadians didn't let the ROC be called the ROC. But why weren't they called the ROC in 1984 when it was held in Los Angeles? Surely the USA didn't object to the ROC calling themselves the ROC instead of Chinese Taipei? This video didn't explain why they are not called Taiwan in the Olympics today or the more accurate name, Republic of China.
During the 76 Montreal Olympics, the US still has diplomatic recognition of Taiwan, but come the LA games in 84, the US had already switched ties to the PRC in 1979. So no ROC or Taiwan even though it was an American hosted Olympics.
I love your space Phil. Is it above a garage? Is it in a local coworking space? INTRIGUE. Also great vid as ever.
haha just an office cosplaying as an apartment!
(From a Taiwanese student,not really good at English)
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This video is talking about what Taiwanese people feel in this issue.
Most Taiwanese people and specially the young people.All very sure we should change the name to Taiwan.But some elder just thinks we are "Chinese" not "Taiwanese".
And If we use "Taiwan",the athletes may not be allow to participate in the event.Because of China. I think this is the real question.
"They should just sit it out". This only takes the viewpoint of the country and its identity into consideration, but what about the athletes who have dedicated their lives to a discipline to become some of the best in the world? They shouldn't be left out and told to "just" stay home because of this conflict. The games happen only once every 4 years and it would be devastating to skip them even once, it's not like they will remain at this level for decades. And even if their country skipped it officially in the future, they should still be allowed to compete in some way, like with the arrangement set up for Russian athletes.
that's a good idea with the neutral athlete thing. i like that. i was on the side of the athletes in 1980 but this feels different - though i feel like your idea is a good compromise. then you get into funding/training issues though...
Thank for the coverage 🙏🏼
Speaking as a TAIWANESE American...
Taiwan won the gold against China in the Badminton Olympic Games... A win is a win!
黄金男双 李洋 是金门人 隶属福建省 并不是台湾人
Golden Men's Doubles, Li Yang, is from Kinmen, belongs to Fujian Province, not Taiwanese
It is TAIWAN. And will forever be TAIWAN! I am not from Taiwan but I only know in my entire life there is a country call TAIWAN. Not Taipei. You don't force change other people name by whatever pressure because you don't like it. That is call bully.
哈哈哈！问题这个世界根本没有台湾这个国家 只有中华民国！
😛😛😛😛 keep yapping white nationalist
蛙蛙開心就好😂
地是中国的，谁管你是不是中国人，太自作多情了😂
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Nice video, thank you so much for giving us useful and interesting information.
that is the tiniest Elephant ear I have ever seen! Usually they will be bigger than the paper plate they are served on.
The world is sick with all the divisions, why can’t Taiwan just be Taiwan
The fact is, none of the G& (including China) wants to rock the boat with China. At the same time, not letting Taiwain participate in the Olympics seem unfair. So just let them compete in another name. This is no claim to sovereignty. In fact Canada participated in the Olympics before Statute of Westminster 1931 (so in other words before it was even a country) and Hong Kong participated as a British colony, so letting them compete is no claim to sovereignty since many territories under British rule have competed in the past.
The name of Chinese Taipei proves that there's no true equality in the Olympic Games.
go away
@@DK-gj5spDeal with it 🗿
As a Taiwanese, I hate that we are Chinese Taipei in the olympics, but that is not up to us. I literally don’t care what nationality we are or will end up being, but at least I want myself to belong to a nation. It’s the same sort of issue with the UN…
Also when Taiwan wins a medal in the olympics, the Chinese will say that our athletes are theirs which is strange because they ban us but at the same time also consider us one of them, it’s like are they banning themselves? lol we don’t even compete in the same team, we also need a permission to go into China, so are we the same country like the Chinese government says? No! lol
As much as I love and respect the Chinese citizens, this issue with politics and government is just humiliating, disgusting and unnecessary. Again, Iat this point I literally do not care what nation we are but we just want to be respected and have our own name as a proper nation.
Soon...just hang in there...
I support your points!
Really dislike China CCP government cheating Chinese citizens, while Taiwan DDP government spreads hates.
Hope one day a peaceful agreement can be made between two sides.
We’re relatives, not enemies.
Good timeline summary, fully understandable the history.
As Taiwanese, I am proudly introducing to everyone that I am from Taiwan. The country next to China.
yes, because us Taiwanese can't help it, Taiwanese are too different from the "Chinese" the ccp has created.
Other countries become independent by war or bloody revolution, Taiwanese by claiming on the internet😅
@@bixiachen7080 Why you laughing at yourself?
ccp claiming on the internet and also in the real physical world.
They made many laws which are just words on paper with no way to enforce because no jurisdiction, and also force other countries to follow their laws.
So you laughing at yourself.
It's ok to laugh at yourself, that means you have a good sense of humor, and life is good for you.
@@JackC-e6i learn how to talk before replying me, no time to talk to sb can’t make any point
@@bixiachen7080 aw, don't be angry because you can't make a better reply, my little wumao...
Did I accidentally hit the truth where it hurts? I guess you've never heard the phrase, "You can't handle the truth!"
(hint: its from a movie about a corrupt government official)