Greetings from Santiago de Chile. I saw “Mission Impossible” back at 1996 but I really have some issues. In those days my favorite cinema here in Santiago was San Damián. It opened in late 1994 and it got the most impressive projection and audio systems of that time. No other theater was even close of the experience it offered. There I saw titles like “Clear and Present Danger”, “Toy Story”, “Goldeneye”, “Trainspotting”, “Independence Day” and they look and sound awesome. “Mission Impossible” was a movie I wanted to watch at San Damián but sometimes strange things happen. In Chile, Paramount movies were distributed by United International Pictures (UIP) and decided to “charge extra” to the chilean cinemas for the titles of it’s catalogue. After some negotiations everything was settle but “M-I” would arrive during September of that year. At that same time my parents invite to go to Europe with them that included some days in London. And at a theater near the hotel where we were staying, they were showing the first movie of Ethan Hunt. Instead of running to the theater I though “I wait till I enjoy it at San Damián”. How could nobody told me that the cinemas at the UK were light years ahead of what it existed in South America. Back in my country I got all planned to go the date of the release and… San Damián did not projected it and instead it would be shown in a cinema where one of my closest friends work. He offered me to see it for free so I was back in business. The movie started and… the sound was nothing impressive and the image look dark. Months later I saw the laserdisc version with a proper equipment at a showroom and men, it look incredible. How could these be possible? Well, the projector and audio system of the cinema were very old and they simply cannot offered the quality that San Damián could offer. If I could turn back time I would have go inside of the London theater and enjoy “Mission Impossible” the way it was intended by Brian de Palma. A mistake I cannot forgive myself after all these years. Adiós amigo.
Your knowledge of these home video releases is really amazing, i really like the first two movies in this series, i clearly remember seeing the first one in the cinema back in 1996 and really enjoyed it, i think 96 was a great year for movies, i also had the laserdisc and dvd and now the uhd. You have a great channel here.
There was a box set released on HD-DVD called “Mission: Impossible - Ultimate Missions Collection” which had the first 3 films. I have it and it still works, unlike most WB HD-DVDs which suffer from disk rot.
Just a note… I’m not sure if this is possibly an issue but Dolby Digital and following iterations of the codec (+, TrueHD, Atmos) support dynamic range compression. I’ve found some titles seemed to be neutered in the bass department due to the flag that was included in the audio stream. If the processor’s Dolby DRC parameter was set to auto it would playback with the DRC setting according to the flag on the discs audio stream. I think many titles reverted to using the mid or high DRC flag. I turn off all the DRC settings in my Denon AVR but firmware updates sometimes will set them back to their default settings. In Denon/Marantz receivers this is called Loudness Management. If you have one set it to off so the AVR/processor ignores all the DRC flags. If you just set the Dolby DRC manually in the AVR from Auto to None it will default back to Auto after a power cycle. Another point on the original Blu-ray was that Paramount chose to only use Dolby Digital and therefore it was limited to 640kbps, the max data-rate of the codec. I can’t remember why Paramount and others didn’t just port the DD+ over but it had something to with the size of data-packets with Blu-ray. Many Warner titles also used the 1506kbps DD+ audio streams on their HD-DVDs but the Blu-rays sometimes got an improvement with lossless PCM or TrueHD. HD-DVD could hold 15/30G single/dual layer respectively where Blu-ray was 25/50G. Blu dual layer still wasn’t common so early BDs got the shaft with 25G discs. Still brings back memories of the HD-DVD marketing group claiming 30G was just the right disc size but 25G wasn’t enough and you’d never need a 50G disc… 😂. Anyone remember the fabled 51G HD-DVD. Like Spinal Tap we can go one louder.
Speaking of Scandinavian releases by Paramount they really messed up the Blu-Ray of The Untouchables by releasing it here back in 2008 without any Scandinavian subtitles. Basically it's the same disc as the UK release. The UHD-BD has proper subtitles, but the included BD is still the same as the one before and essentially not made for this market.
I look at these laser discs (which I owned at one time) with the beautiful cover art and gatefold design and wish that the technology would have improved in all aspects…except in their size. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have a 1080p or 4K version of MI (or name your favorites) with its original theatrical audio on a one sided laserdisc? Every film would come standard with two discs, one for the film and one for lavish special features. Dream on…
The only reason I'm keeping my HD DVD for Mission Impossible 3 is that it is the only disc featuring the picture-in-picture audio commentary with Cruise and JJ Abrams. The blu-rays and every release to date only have the audio portion. You would think that by now in the UHD age they would have ported that over but they never did. If I'm not mistaken the blu-rays couldn't carry it at the time because their java-based software wasn't ready yet. Yeah, HD-DVD is a dead format but my player is practically brand new and I can still use it for CDs.
Oddly there’s a number of video commentaries encoded like that which were left off of later releases. You’d think they’d just include the original video portion as a separate extra on later releases.
Yet another highly fascinating odyssey through the uncharted and seemingly bottomless realms of physical media releases. At 1 hour and 13 minutes this surely ain’t for the masses but a very special kind of … well, let’s call them euphemistically enthusiasts. And as one of them, I have to declare: Well done, indeed, thank you!
Thank you! Yeah, I get into the nitty gritty of home video so I’m pretty sure I lose most people rather quickly. This is the kind of stuff that’s floating in my head every day. 😂
I generally like the UHD of the first film but the color grading change of the CIA scene drives me nuts- I'm tempted to create a new version SDR version that takes 90% of the new version and cut in that scene from the previous.
Is there a website that shows which master was used for each movie media release, I often hear people talking about releases saying for example they used this master or a new master but is there a way to verify this somewhere online?
As far as I know it’s the UHD which has a new 4k master and includes a 4.0 lossless surround track which should be the original audio directly from the four track master. The letterbox Laserdisc is pretty solid and has the original Dolby surround matrix audio as PCM 2.0.
Hi There, thank you for this „down the rabbit-hole-kind of experience“… So after all i learned about M:I watching this i put on my 4k… watched a bit of it and decided to offset the LFE +5dB off calibration-level… With pretty good results… have you ever tried to match or approximate it manually to the laserdisc mix? The trueHD sounded really great after adjusting the LFE… Thanks for all your great videos… looking forward for more…
Thank you! Yes, I have tried doing that and it does certainly help out somewhat. I've not been able to fully get it to the same level across the board but it may have something to with doing a sub LFE level offset much like the early DTS releases which had the surrounds too high which you had to lower.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader Interesting… I would really like to compare the two mixes… but i dont have a LD-Player…. But i have the first three M:I films on HD-DVD and still 2 working players but there‘s nothing of any significance to report concerning audio-visual features…🤓
My theory is that the home video division has the remixed audio done in the DVD days on a shelf that just says "Mission Impossible 1 home video audio master" and they've just re-encoded those elements each time, or in the case of the Blu-ray, once in 2006/7. Someone there is too lazy to go into the vaults of the theatrical division and find the original masters used for the prints. Skywalker Sound did the original mix so I wonder if they have it in their archives. Either way, these studios are so keen on near fielding mixes that they might deliberately be withholding the original thinking they're doing the right thing. Well if anyone at Paramount is reading this, no, you're not doing the right thing. The AC3 LD is where it's at and represents the original artistic intent better than anything that followed.
In the early DVD days when newbies relied on TV-audio speakers and cheap junky soundbars there were several titles that caused people to blown speakers in their equipment. So it started to become more common for studios to do home theater remixes with a different EQ curve. Many times this resulted in bass-neutered films. This is why you hear people referring to preferring the LD tracks because many times the theatrical mix was directly ported over to laserdisc. Unfortunately the bass-neutering is still happening to this day on some titles. Some of it is due to DRC setting but not always. I know the Master and Commander DVD had some really low LFE but the LFE was filtered on the Blu-ray so it didn’t have anything under 30Hz.
Oh geez the Master and Commander dvd still is reference grade today. It’s a shame they filtered the LFE on the BD but I think someone found an import version that has it intact. I need a higher end subwoofer just for that film and the handful of others that get really low in their LFE that most subs can’t handle. Days of Future Past is one that springs to mind.
I just came across this as a rental disc, Its a Hong Kong Laserdisc. And its THX. Didn't buy it because it was 35 dollars. I have my Japan copy which arrived sealed in a bulk lot, with OBI i haven't watched yet. I think i got Only Live Twice Rental in that same lot.
@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader Just noticed on Amazon that Batman: Mask of the Phantasm is getting a 4K BD release on 9/12/23. Based on the pictures of the packaging on Amazon, it looks like a WB Studio label release. No mention of Warner Archive anywhere on it. The only good news is that there's a featurette on Kevin Conroy (probably a fluff piece). Why the heck they STILL don't have the HBO special is beyond me.
48:22 Hi Spencer. Great video, am sorry its taken me months to get back to it. But with home video release of Dead Reckoning now hitting (what remaining) store shelves. Now seemed the right time. And i wish i watched this when it first dropped as i had no idea about the lack lustre Blu-Ray set. I picked up a used copy of the UK version/edition of the set you're holding as Ive only ever watched MI1 on Laser and MI2 on DVD and man what a disappointment! I lasted the first 7min of MI1 blu ray, before stopping and switching back to my trusted Laser and for MI2 i had to drop the Blu Ray again as there is a very distracting line running down the right hand side of the transfer. Not wanting to risk Image Retention or watch the movie "zoomed in" I ditched the second Blu Ray and went back to my r1 MI2 DVD and was surprised how close it appeared to the blu ray. I saw the set used for just £4 so wasn't a terrible waste but... i had a separate stand alone copy of MI4.G.P. so really, i ended up paying £4 for MI3 as the other three discs will probably not be played again. Really enjoying the video looking forward to the rest of ur thoughts.
Off topic: I have the original Paramount DVD (the one with the WIDESCREEN COLLECTION at the bottom) of Escape from LA, was that sourced from a Laserdisc transfer? The PQ of that disc looks pretty bad on my tv.
Yeah that’s 1998 so it’s most definitely from the LD master. Pretty much every early Paramount dvd before 2000 is from an LD master if one existed. They all have a very digital and noisy appearance and most when directly compared usually don’t look as good as the LD due to over sharpening and highlighting the master’s shortcomings. The Saint and The Phantom do this as well.
I had forgotten that!🤦🏻♂️ I think it was done in only extremely limited quantities and would be pretty much identical to the vhs edition master. I only read a passing reference to it once before and had completely forgotten about it it until your comment. Now I wish I had remembered to include it! MI3 was one of the last VHS releases in the US. It’s interesting Paramount hung onto formats so long.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader I just remembered as well when I was watching your video. It is kinda funny that Paramount kept old formats. Korea kept VHS for the longest time, they have Avatar on VHS, but its also odd to see that Paramount is now doing only 4Ks and no Blu combos, and at the same time at Walmart there doing exclusive (for a very small amount of titles) 4K+Blu Ray+DVD combos, not for MI yet, also the new steelbooks are great looking, need to get those when they go down in price. Also need to mention (as a Metallica fan) I love the M:I2 soundtrack, I Dissapeer is one of my favs.
Should be noted that the later films get their extra features discs back on the new steelbooks in case you're looking to buy. I know because I bought those.
I knew the new steelbooks included the original second extras disc of MI3 but I didn’t realize they put back the second BD of extras for both Ghost Protocol and Rogue Nation. That’s good to see. I wish they had done that for the 1-6 boxset.
Goldeneye is a bit convoluted. The theatrical Dolby 5.1 and 2.0 had much heavier bass which the theatrical DTS didn’t but the DTS had more fine detail and overall bombast. These turned up on their respective LDs and the Dolby heavy bass mix was on the thx first dvd and special edition second dvd. In 2006 for the ultimate edition we got a Dolby and dts track which seemed to be just two different codecs of a 5.1 track that was perhaps the source mix. Then on the Blu-ray we got a lossless hdma 5.1 version which sounds great but it doesn’t have the specific flavor of either theatrical Dolby or DTS. All three sound great but sometimes I just want that boomy club mix flavor only found on the Dolby theatrical mixes.
I’ve literally just purchased the new UK Blu-ray boxset released a month ago and it DOES include the 25th anniversary disc of the first film. Didn’t notice any impressive bass, so I assume it’s not the theatrical soundtrack, but it is TrueHD
That’s good to know they included at least in some of the various foreign boxsets. The trueHD track is the same one from the UHD so it’s better than the Dolby digital BD track but still not theatrical nor is it the dts HDMA codec of the reencoded discs.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader glad I inadvertently picked a decent set! I still haven’t upgraded to UHD yet and it’s becoming a minefield trying to find Blu-rays that aren’t just repackaged old releases. As you noted in this video, they’re normally just the same old transfers even when packaged with 4K releases
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader It seems so lazy to me! I’m perfectly happy to purchase 4K releases ready for when I do eventually upgrade, as long as I can confirm that the Blu-rays use the new transfers, but unfortunately this seems pretty uncommon
the opening of this review is kinda like a goofy comedy bit because of the silly tom cruise impression interestingly, i actually like Most of the characters in the mi films except for certain ones, like Kittridge , who seem like he is this weird character most people find annoying the max character in mi 1 seems kinda interesting
It’s really the more impactful theatrical audio on the LD that does it for me. I enjoy the format and like watching films on LD at times even when I have the UHD. The new 4k master they made of 1 is obviously the best we’ve seen and a major leap forward over the 2007 BD but when I really want to enjoy the film I like to crank up the volume of the LD. I also got used to watching the LD over the years instead of the crappy 2007 Blu-ray so it’s the version I have the most nostalgia and attachment to. I also don’t have to look at Paramount’s compression issues rearing their ugly head at times like they do on the UHD.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader maybe its just me. Bu i have a home theater and the 4k audio is gangbusters in it. I just rewatched it and don’t feel like im missing anything at all
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader just a suggestion to make sure whatever AVR/AVP you use that the DRC feature is turned off. Many titles used the metadata flags from the mastering process. A lot of titles were mastered with the default DRC flag of Mid or High. So if your Dolby processor is set to Auto DRC it will apply the DRC according to what was authored on the disc. Might make a difference. I avoided the BDs for years due to the crappy audio and HD-DVD gimped encodes. I never did get the laserdisc because I moved on once DVD was available though I did have a Yamaha Dolby Digital processor at one point that had the AC3 RF input. I modded my CLD1030 to have an AC3 out but I could never get it to work on CAV discs. The CLV discs worked fine though.
That initial blu ray for M:I 1 is one of the worst looking discs I’ve ever seen for a 1080p disc. Unwatchable for me. Thank god I have the 4K (and even the LD though no 5.1 setup yet).
Oh boy does it not hold up at all! It was outdated when it was made! The fact that the HDDVD is better in picture and sound is ridiculous. The reencoded disc only helps some because the old master is so bad as it’s basically just a slight HD bump of the 2006 SCE DVD. At least that import disc gives you lossless hdma 5.1. Paramount’s insistence on recycling the awful 2007 discs to this day is nuts…and the UHDs of 1-3 are truehd so the bitrate isn’t as good as the import 2012 BDs!🤦🏻♂️
The LaserDisc AC3 will always and forever be THE way to listen to this film outside of a 35mm print. Great video!
Wow! This was so comprehensive. I would like to see of these on Jurassic Park.
Greetings from Santiago de Chile. I saw “Mission Impossible” back at 1996 but I really have some issues. In those days my favorite cinema here in Santiago was San Damián. It opened in late 1994 and it got the most impressive projection and audio systems of that time. No other theater was even close of the experience it offered. There I saw titles like “Clear and Present Danger”, “Toy Story”, “Goldeneye”, “Trainspotting”, “Independence Day” and they look and sound awesome. “Mission Impossible” was a movie I wanted to watch at San Damián but sometimes strange things happen. In Chile, Paramount movies were distributed by United International Pictures (UIP) and decided to “charge extra” to the chilean cinemas for the titles of it’s catalogue. After some negotiations everything was settle but “M-I” would arrive during September of that year. At that same time my parents invite to go to Europe with them that included some days in London. And at a theater near the hotel where we were staying, they were showing the first movie of Ethan Hunt. Instead of running to the theater I though “I wait till I enjoy it at San Damián”. How could nobody told me that the cinemas at the UK were light years ahead of what it existed in South America. Back in my country I got all planned to go the date of the release and… San Damián did not projected it and instead it would be shown in a cinema where one of my closest friends work. He offered me to see it for free so I was back in business. The movie started and… the sound was nothing impressive and the image look dark. Months later I saw the laserdisc version with a proper equipment at a showroom and men, it look incredible. How could these be possible? Well, the projector and audio system of the cinema were very old and they simply cannot offered the quality that San Damián could offer. If I could turn back time I would have go inside of the London theater and enjoy “Mission Impossible” the way it was intended by Brian de Palma. A mistake I cannot forgive myself after all these years. Adiós amigo.
Your knowledge of these home video releases is really amazing, i really like the first two movies in this series, i clearly remember seeing the first one in the cinema back in 1996 and really enjoyed it, i think 96 was a great year for movies, i also had the laserdisc and dvd and now the uhd. You have a great channel here.
There was a box set released on HD-DVD called “Mission: Impossible - Ultimate Missions Collection” which had the first 3 films. I have it and it still works, unlike most WB HD-DVDs which suffer from disk rot.
Also on DVD.
Just a note… I’m not sure if this is possibly an issue but Dolby Digital and following iterations of the codec (+, TrueHD, Atmos) support dynamic range compression. I’ve found some titles seemed to be neutered in the bass department due to the flag that was included in the audio stream. If the processor’s Dolby DRC parameter was set to auto it would playback with the DRC setting according to the flag on the discs audio stream. I think many titles reverted to using the mid or high DRC flag.
I turn off all the DRC settings in my Denon AVR but firmware updates sometimes will set them back to their default settings. In Denon/Marantz receivers this is called Loudness Management. If you have one set it to off so the AVR/processor ignores all the DRC flags. If you just set the Dolby DRC manually in the AVR from Auto to None it will default back to Auto after a power cycle.
Another point on the original Blu-ray was that Paramount chose to only use Dolby Digital and therefore it was limited to 640kbps, the max data-rate of the codec. I can’t remember why Paramount and others didn’t just port the DD+ over but it had something to with the size of data-packets with Blu-ray. Many Warner titles also used the 1506kbps DD+ audio streams on their HD-DVDs but the Blu-rays sometimes got an improvement with lossless PCM or TrueHD.
HD-DVD could hold 15/30G single/dual layer respectively where Blu-ray was 25/50G. Blu dual layer still wasn’t common so early BDs got the shaft with 25G discs. Still brings back memories of the HD-DVD marketing group claiming 30G was just the right disc size but 25G wasn’t enough and you’d never need a 50G disc… 😂. Anyone remember the fabled 51G HD-DVD. Like Spinal Tap we can go one louder.
Great opening, I knew you would be the only person to talk about the audio issues correctly
Me: I need some kind of intro I don’t have any ideas…I’ve got all these M:I copies……crazy goofy idea generated.
Speaking of Scandinavian releases by Paramount they really messed up the Blu-Ray of The Untouchables by releasing it here back in 2008 without any Scandinavian subtitles. Basically it's the same disc as the UK release. The UHD-BD has proper subtitles, but the included BD is still the same as the one before and essentially not made for this market.
The opinions on these movies is better than some review channels.
Always appreciate your very thorough detailed overview of the home video releases. I'll have to checkout the laserdisc of Mi1!
I look at these laser discs (which I owned at one time) with the beautiful cover art and gatefold design and wish that the technology would have improved in all aspects…except in their size. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have a 1080p or 4K version of MI (or name your favorites) with its original theatrical audio on a one sided laserdisc? Every film would come standard with two discs, one for the film and one for lavish special features. Dream on…
Great informative video. I seem to recall one of those early Blu-ray discs having an mpeg-2 encode on it. Quite the scandal back in the day.
The only reason I'm keeping my HD DVD for Mission Impossible 3 is that it is the only disc featuring the picture-in-picture audio commentary with Cruise and JJ Abrams. The blu-rays and every release to date only have the audio portion. You would think that by now in the UHD age they would have ported that over but they never did. If I'm not mistaken the blu-rays couldn't carry it at the time because their java-based software wasn't ready yet. Yeah, HD-DVD is a dead format but my player is practically brand new and I can still use it for CDs.
Oddly there’s a number of video commentaries encoded like that which were left off of later releases. You’d think they’d just include the original video portion as a separate extra on later releases.
Yet another highly fascinating odyssey through the uncharted and seemingly bottomless realms of physical media releases. At 1 hour and 13 minutes this surely ain’t for the masses but a very special kind of … well, let’s call them euphemistically enthusiasts. And as one of them, I have to declare: Well done, indeed, thank you!
Thank you! Yeah, I get into the nitty gritty of home video so I’m pretty sure I lose most people rather quickly.
This is the kind of stuff that’s floating in my head every day. 😂
I really like the Laserdisc of this movie.
Now I have laserdisc envy. 😄 I want to watch Mission Impossible with theatrical audio!
I generally like the UHD of the first film but the color grading change of the CIA scene drives me nuts- I'm tempted to create a new version SDR version that takes 90% of the new version and cut in that scene from the previous.
Is there a website that shows which master was used for each movie media release, I often hear people talking about releases saying for example they used this master or a new master but is there a way to verify this somewhere online?
Sadly no, you have to make comparisons on your own and look up as much info as possible to verify transfers.
Sorry to go off topic, but can you recommend a source for finding out which version(s) of Predator (1987) are the best for videophiles?
As far as I know it’s the UHD which has a new 4k master and includes a 4.0 lossless surround track which should be the original audio directly from the four track master. The letterbox Laserdisc is pretty solid and has the original Dolby surround matrix audio as PCM 2.0.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader Thank you!
Hi There,
thank you for this „down the rabbit-hole-kind of experience“…
So after all i learned about M:I watching this i put on my 4k… watched a bit of it and decided to offset the LFE +5dB off calibration-level…
With pretty good results… have you ever tried to match or approximate it manually to the laserdisc mix? The trueHD sounded really great after adjusting the LFE…
Thanks for all your great videos… looking forward for more…
Thank you! Yes, I have tried doing that and it does certainly help out somewhat. I've not been able to fully get it to the same level across the board but it may have something to with doing a sub LFE level offset much like the early DTS releases which had the surrounds too high which you had to lower.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader Interesting…
I would really like to compare the two mixes… but i dont have a LD-Player….
But i have the first three M:I films on HD-DVD and still 2 working players but there‘s nothing of any significance to report concerning audio-visual features…🤓
My theory is that the home video division has the remixed audio done in the DVD days on a shelf that just says "Mission Impossible 1 home video audio master" and they've just re-encoded those elements each time, or in the case of the Blu-ray, once in 2006/7. Someone there is too lazy to go into the vaults of the theatrical division and find the original masters used for the prints. Skywalker Sound did the original mix so I wonder if they have it in their archives.
Either way, these studios are so keen on near fielding mixes that they might deliberately be withholding the original thinking they're doing the right thing. Well if anyone at Paramount is reading this, no, you're not doing the right thing. The AC3 LD is where it's at and represents the original artistic intent better than anything that followed.
In the early DVD days when newbies relied on TV-audio speakers and cheap junky soundbars there were several titles that caused people to blown speakers in their equipment. So it started to become more common for studios to do home theater remixes with a different EQ curve. Many times this resulted in bass-neutered films. This is why you hear people referring to preferring the LD tracks because many times the theatrical mix was directly ported over to laserdisc.
Unfortunately the bass-neutering is still happening to this day on some titles. Some of it is due to DRC setting but not always. I know the Master and Commander DVD had some really low LFE but the LFE was filtered on the Blu-ray so it didn’t have anything under 30Hz.
Absolutely!
Oh geez the Master and Commander dvd still is reference grade today. It’s a shame they filtered the LFE on the BD but I think someone found an import version that has it intact.
I need a higher end subwoofer just for that film and the handful of others that get really low in their LFE that most subs can’t handle. Days of Future Past is one that springs to mind.
Great video, just got the new 4K Steelbooks
I was looking forward to this!
I live for this!
You'll die for it.
I just came across this as a rental disc, Its a Hong Kong Laserdisc. And its THX. Didn't buy it because it was 35 dollars. I have my Japan copy which arrived sealed in a bulk lot, with OBI i haven't watched yet. I think i got Only Live Twice Rental in that same lot.
@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader Just noticed on Amazon that Batman: Mask of the Phantasm is getting a 4K BD release on 9/12/23. Based on the pictures of the packaging on Amazon, it looks like a WB Studio label release. No mention of Warner Archive anywhere on it. The only good news is that there's a featurette on Kevin Conroy (probably a fluff piece). Why the heck they STILL don't have the HBO special is beyond me.
48:22 Hi Spencer. Great video, am sorry its taken me months to get back to it. But with home video release of Dead Reckoning now hitting (what remaining) store shelves. Now seemed the right time. And i wish i watched this when it first dropped as i had no idea about the lack lustre Blu-Ray set. I picked up a used copy of the UK version/edition of the set you're holding as Ive only ever watched MI1 on Laser and MI2 on DVD and man what a disappointment! I lasted the first 7min of MI1 blu ray, before stopping and switching back to my trusted Laser and for MI2 i had to drop the Blu Ray again as there is a very distracting line running down the right hand side of the transfer. Not wanting to risk Image Retention or watch the movie "zoomed in" I ditched the second Blu Ray and went back to my r1 MI2 DVD and was surprised how close it appeared to the blu ray. I saw the set used for just £4 so wasn't a terrible waste but... i had a separate stand alone copy of MI4.G.P. so really, i ended up paying £4 for MI3 as the other three discs will probably not be played again. Really enjoying the video looking forward to the rest of ur thoughts.
Off topic: I have the original Paramount DVD (the one with the WIDESCREEN COLLECTION at the bottom) of Escape from LA, was that sourced from a Laserdisc transfer? The PQ of that disc looks pretty bad on my tv.
Yeah that’s 1998 so it’s most definitely from the LD master. Pretty much every early Paramount dvd before 2000 is from an LD master if one existed. They all have a very digital and noisy appearance and most when directly compared usually don’t look as good as the LD due to over sharpening and highlighting the master’s shortcomings.
The Saint and The Phantom do this as well.
Did Ethan Hunt get that cappuccino machine?
Haha I still wonder about that. We never got an answer.😂
Are these sound differences noticeable when you just use your tv‘s speakers?
In this case yes as it’s in the mix itself. Both the 2.0 and 5.1 on the LD will have much more low end even on tv speakers.
No mention of the DTS Laserdisc release of Mission Impossible. How does that compare to the AC3 release?
@@robertbennett6126 there wasn’t one. Also paramount video releases stuck with Dolby.
Mission Impossible was also the last Beta to my knowledge, it's pretty rare though
I had forgotten that!🤦🏻♂️ I think it was done in only extremely limited quantities and would be pretty much identical to the vhs edition master. I only read a passing reference to it once before and had completely forgotten about it it until your comment. Now I wish I had remembered to include it!
MI3 was one of the last VHS releases in the US. It’s interesting Paramount hung onto formats so long.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader I just remembered as well when I was watching your video. It is kinda funny that Paramount kept old formats. Korea kept VHS for the longest time, they have Avatar on VHS, but its also odd to see that Paramount is now doing only 4Ks and no Blu combos, and at the same time at Walmart there doing exclusive (for a very small amount of titles) 4K+Blu Ray+DVD combos, not for MI yet, also the new steelbooks are great looking, need to get those when they go down in price. Also need to mention (as a Metallica fan) I love the M:I2 soundtrack, I Dissapeer is one of my favs.
Should be noted that the later films get their extra features discs back on the new steelbooks in case you're looking to buy. I know because I bought those.
I knew the new steelbooks included the original second extras disc of MI3 but I didn’t realize they put back the second BD of extras for both Ghost Protocol and Rogue Nation. That’s good to see. I wish they had done that for the 1-6 boxset.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader Agreed.
The 4th film is begging for a home IMAX version- The Burj Khalifa scene just doesn't working as well at home as it did theatrical.
Only three things in life are certain: death, taxes and Paramount's tendency to double-dip on decades-old properties with little-to-nothing new.
Hahahahahahahahaha😂🤣
You mentioned Goldeneye's audio mix being similar to Mission Impossible. Is Goldeneye audio track on blu-ray... theatrical?
Goldeneye is a bit convoluted. The theatrical Dolby 5.1 and 2.0 had much heavier bass which the theatrical DTS didn’t but the DTS had more fine detail and overall bombast. These turned up on their respective LDs and the Dolby heavy bass mix was on the thx first dvd and special edition second dvd. In 2006 for the ultimate edition we got a Dolby and dts track which seemed to be just two different codecs of a 5.1 track that was perhaps the source mix. Then on the Blu-ray we got a lossless hdma 5.1 version which sounds great but it doesn’t have the specific flavor of either theatrical Dolby or DTS.
All three sound great but sometimes I just want that boomy club mix flavor only found on the Dolby theatrical mixes.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader Sounds like it deserves its own video! ;D Thanks for the answer.
I’ve literally just purchased the new UK Blu-ray boxset released a month ago and it DOES include the 25th anniversary disc of the first film. Didn’t notice any impressive bass, so I assume it’s not the theatrical soundtrack, but it is TrueHD
That’s good to know they included at least in some of the various foreign boxsets. The trueHD track is the same one from the UHD so it’s better than the Dolby digital BD track but still not theatrical nor is it the dts HDMA codec of the reencoded discs.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader glad I inadvertently picked a decent set! I still haven’t upgraded to UHD yet and it’s becoming a minefield trying to find Blu-rays that aren’t just repackaged old releases. As you noted in this video, they’re normally just the same old transfers even when packaged with 4K releases
@@rgp1989 it’s nuts how sporadic and seemingly random the remastered BD idea has or hasn’t been adopted by studios and labels.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader It seems so lazy to me! I’m perfectly happy to purchase 4K releases ready for when I do eventually upgrade, as long as I can confirm that the Blu-rays use the new transfers, but unfortunately this seems pretty uncommon
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Wow, thank you so much!!
where is the hddvd film?
the opening of this review is kinda like a goofy comedy bit because of the silly tom cruise impression
interestingly, i actually like Most of the characters in the mi films
except for certain ones, like Kittridge , who seem like he is this weird character most people find annoying
the max character in mi 1 seems kinda interesting
11 minutes, hold on in there buddy…😅
Why would anyone choose the laserdisc over the 4k disc
It’s really the more impactful theatrical audio on the LD that does it for me. I enjoy the format and like watching films on LD at times even when I have the UHD. The new 4k master they made of 1 is obviously the best we’ve seen and a major leap forward over the 2007 BD but when I really want to enjoy the film I like to crank up the volume of the LD.
I also got used to watching the LD over the years instead of the crappy 2007 Blu-ray so it’s the version I have the most nostalgia and attachment to.
I also don’t have to look at Paramount’s compression issues rearing their ugly head at times like they do on the UHD.
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader maybe its just me. Bu i have a home theater and the 4k audio is gangbusters in it. I just rewatched it and don’t feel like im missing anything at all
@@DamnFoolIdealisticCrusader just a suggestion to make sure whatever AVR/AVP you use that the DRC feature is turned off. Many titles used the metadata flags from the mastering process. A lot of titles were mastered with the default DRC flag of Mid or High. So if your Dolby processor is set to Auto DRC it will apply the DRC according to what was authored on the disc. Might make a difference.
I avoided the BDs for years due to the crappy audio and HD-DVD gimped encodes. I never did get the laserdisc because I moved on once DVD was available though I did have a Yamaha Dolby Digital processor at one point that had the AC3 RF input. I modded my CLD1030 to have an AC3 out but I could never get it to work on CAV discs. The CLV discs worked fine though.
That initial blu ray for M:I 1 is one of the worst looking discs I’ve ever seen for a 1080p disc. Unwatchable for me. Thank god I have the 4K (and even the LD though no 5.1 setup yet).
Oh boy does it not hold up at all! It was outdated when it was made! The fact that the HDDVD is better in picture and sound is ridiculous. The reencoded disc only helps some because the old master is so bad as it’s basically just a slight HD bump of the 2006 SCE DVD. At least that import disc gives you lossless hdma 5.1.
Paramount’s insistence on recycling the awful 2007 discs to this day is nuts…and the UHDs of 1-3 are truehd so the bitrate isn’t as good as the import 2012 BDs!🤦🏻♂️
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Love what you do and the effort you put in - it’s exhaustive!
@@richsadler2661 thank you!! I try to cram in everything relevant I can think of!