As an 8 I get the “You’re too much” response a lot. My first thought is “I’m not too much. You’re just too little” 😂 I know I need to be more compassionate... working on it 👍🏼
I am a 7. My mother is an 8. Mom is 81 and I am 60. We have pretty much always gotten along like oil and water. The one thing that will send me to my defensive mode quicker than anything is when she says, “You need to…” I feel she doesn’t respect me as a grown adult and treats me like an 8 year old.
@@elizabethluanecampbell6071- growing up I constantly heard: "you should..... "you ought.... "you must..... I say: don't should, ought, or, must me. THOSE guideposts DON'T run my Life.
I’m 8 and you’ve made me realize why some messages I’ve gotten from Preachers aren’t challenging. When I hear their words I’m thinking, “duh”! Also when a preacher, motivational speaker, trainer or teacher yells at me that makes me want to go against whatever they’re saying in a knee jerk response. Lol Even when I agree with them. I learn more from the calm Mr. Roger’s Type. Social 9s are inspiring to me. Anyway, I’m 8w7 Sx and feel that the write ups never talk about how do have a 7 side that allows us to be goofy and silly around certain people. We’re not wrecking balls 24/7. I do believe you’ve nailed how a lack of control makes us withdraw.
Yes! I am mostly “business” but given the right environment I surprise a lot of people with how much “fun” I am. But I also can’t take too much “fun” (fun by other people’s terms) or I feel ungrounded. lol
Thank you! Social 8 here, and I was like "yes!" when you were talking about how so many preachers are just giving 8 messages from the pulpit. You've by far given the best breakdown of enneagram I've ever seen. And I'm definitely taking all the praise for not flipping tables every time I'm upset 😂
"Pause and surrender" .. hard words to hear and accept, but the words that taught me a lot. I'm a nurse and damn I take my job seriously. There was a terminal patient I was taking care of, stomach cancer. He stopped eating, he stopped drinking. I just couldn't sit by and do nothing. I was looking into finding something, anything for it to be better. I asked the doctor for the glucose i.v. and she gave the i.v. The patient was already frail and the i.v. was too much for his body. The liquid started to collect in the lungs. And the doctor told me the words I will never forget: "Just stop. Take a breath. It is noble to fight wanting to do good, but sometimes you need to know how to let go. Sometimes letting go is the better thing to do." The patient died few days after.
Social 8 here. I received many different confusing test results but when I watch your 8 videos, it is CLEAR AS DAY that's what I am. Thank you so much for your contributions here. It has been a great help to get to know myself in a new way.
"Thank you for what you don't do" lol!! Thank YOU for saying that. I think I'm a reasonably healthy 8 and most of my challenges are about stopping myself from doing or saying certain things. I guess this is why I'm not scared of conflict or "difficult people", because they give me a socially acceptable excuse to open the flood gates of full blown 8ness. My view is that life is much nicer when you're not a jerk and you pay attention to how you treat people. It can be challenging but it's totally worth it! Ps. Woodworking! Best therapy! Don't know what to do with all the anger, just go brutalize a piece of wood instead of lashing out at people!
Agreed. I tell my husband if he only knew what I was really thinking or "could have" said or done in certain situations...lol. When someone tries to reign in an 8 we are like, "Trust me, this IS reigned in!" Lol
@@NewlyAwakened - I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. I can't count the times that I have said to my ISFP/pygmie-INFP husband (i think he's a Enneagram #3 : NON-EMOTIONAL): "IF you only knew what I could have said - but didn't - you would GIVE ME MORE CREDIT!" ....... SELAH : no credit is given for Olympic-quality Self-restraint.
@@andrewwabik5125 Welp, today I brutalised a marketing person on an unsolicited phone call. I'd already unsubscribed from everything from the company, how dare they still have my number in the database. Now I feel bad about it, sorry marketing guy, employees don't deserve crap for the tactics of their higer-ups. But the call woke me up, the jerk filter wasn't turned on yet.
Have you ever done (or could you do) a video titled “The most difficult thing to do for each type”. I.E. The most difficult thing for an 8 to do is.... For a 2 is... Maybe, “the hardest thing each type should be doing/ improving” ? Thx.
12:27: Understanding what's in your control and what isn't, is a principle I started to work on quite recently. To my fellow Type 8's out there, who want to learn how to let go of their frustration and anger, I recommend "The Little Book of Stoicism" (Author: Jonas Salzgeber) to you. The book takes a practical approach on how you can change your mindset to actually achieve a "peace of mind" in any kind of situation. At the same time the stoic philosophy leaves enough room for interpretation, so any Person(ality-type) can apply it's principles without the need to sacrifice their identity (I figured the last bit of that sentence might be important for 8s to be convinced^^).
I’m an ISTJ 8w9, I kept getting confused for the longest time if I was a 5. This subtype explanation literally describing my dna. Thank you so much. I hope you are having a nice day or night.
I had a similar experience. I now know I'm an INTJ 8w9, but for a long time I thought I was an ISTJ and Type 1. I was off by one letter and two numbers lol. Happy I figured it out.
Just found out im an 8 W9 I feel like this a new step in self development. EDIT: My God lmao This is ME lol It sounds like we need a constant release. Which makes perfect sense. Great content!
Thank you! Now I know why I have seen myself as an 8 and a 5. I knew I was more an 8 but I couldn't see why I felt so close to 5. This has also helped me to see why I also have 2 tendencies. I just always thought that was more because I am a coach for women who have gone through trauma and live with anxiety. This video is so eye opening!
My youngest son is most definitely an 8. I always try to encourage him to “use his powers for good, not evil”. I have watched so many of your videos, but enjoyed this one the most! It really helps me understand my son. Wish I would have known about enneagram when he was younger.
Encourage him to be vulnerable and open his heart ..and shere his difficult experiences with you .. It is ok to be weak sometimes and have a good cry .. 8s identified with the role of (the rock ) The person who will take care of everything (I am strong. I will get everything done and in control ) But after a while they feel exhausted even to the point of having a health crisis .. They are in complete denial of their feelings and weaknesses..
ENTJ 8w7 sx here... I feel like this guy described me to a T (for better or worse haha). But I learned to temper some of my worst impulses and to consider other people's sensibilities fairly early on in life. Now as an adult my focus is fully realizing my best strengths/qualities and finding balance without compromising the fireball of a person I am 😅😎 My dream is to be an inspiring leader that people admire and look up to.
I am an 8 and you described me to a T. On any given day or in any moment I can cycle through any of the subtypes, I recognize myself in all of them. Wing 7 with 4 and 5 in the high 90%s. I've lived through the temper tantrums and anger issues, I'm much more balanced and can take a step back from things now.
I can’t believe that I’m 59 and just learning about the enneagram. You sir have done such a service with your videos. I’m a 5w6 (I think) dating a 8w7 (for SURE) for 8 months. . She been learning about this for years. Now so much of what she’s shared makes more sense. I tell her she “eighting all over the place!” Or that I’m “fiving on you right now.” I take it all I little less personally. Thank you sir. I owe you.
Being in a wheelchair and being an 8 Independence has definitely been one of my fav. words growing up! lol... Oh all the words you are using about 'strength', 'self-reliance' etc... Crazy how much that's me! My grandmother calls me little orphan Annie! lol
Very well spoken. I’ve learned that sometimes I try to use the same “matter-of-fact-ness” in my voice, when speaking to my 8, that my 8 uses when speaking to others. From me, it isn’t as well received by my 8 as I hope and instead can appear much harsher than intended.
From my observation of my husband and knowing him for 25 years, he has displayed each of these types over the span of his lifetime. He is currently under stress and is acutely aware of the rise of Big Brother and those who want to control others with their laws, their rules, their taxes, their surveillance. So now he is functioning more as a survivalist 8. He is hunkered down in 5 mode! But in his younger years, I saw a lot of the traits of the social and sexual 8. Having children in his care and protection has made a difference. Time, maturity, and circumstance effects these subtypes so ihmo maybe don't get too caught up in putting yourself or other 8s in one of these categories and thinking you are going to stay like that. I am just getting started with enneagram work but I suspect the wings are the same way.
Great video! Robin Hood always seemed like a 7w8 to me. Quick-minded, resourceful, witty, in charge of the folks in Sherwood but didn't lord it ofer them too kuch, kind of a trickster, focused on ensuring that material needs were met. The line between 8w7 and 7w8 gets a little blurry for me sometimes though.
Dr. LaHue, I appreciate your detailed reviews of Enneagram sub-type videos! Sub-type analysis is truly necessary to fully understand your Enneagram test results in my view. I am tied between 8 and 1. And the closed second is 3. The subtype report from the Enneagram Institute wasn’t enough for me to decipher its full meanings. That said, I now have a better understanding of how I could be both 8 and 1. I am 1 with the dominant sexual subtype which you described as a counter type 1 who can be more like the type 8. Wow 🎉. Thanks for your dedication in helping people understand their Enneagram results better.
My boyfriend is an SO/SX 8 and I’m a SO/7 We LITERALLY balance each other so well by brining each other’s wings. It’s so crazy. His 5 weakness and my 2 constantly fight 😂 im so open with feelings and he’s not normally vulnerable. Both very adventurous. I’m nurturing and indecisive. He’s very decisive and aggressive. Love him so much. He helps me even though he’s harsh and he sometimes stomps on the adventure of my 7 by making me choose and hurts the feelings of my 2 by being indifferent. I help him even though I back him into a corner and make him express his feelings. I also help him to become more open minded because of my 7. We’ve given up on changing one another. We accept each other for these above traits. We trust that the other always has our best interest at heart
This made me understand 8's so much more. I think i have had a wrong picture of them and this has defenetly made me see this type of person from a different ankle!
@@1rewd133 I guess i had not understood their vunerable side, and the reason why 8s feel a need to be so strong, that they fear "disappearing" or being ruled over. As a 9, i really look up to standing that much up for yourself and what/who you love.
Wow, I'm a self-preservation 8 - INTJ (8w7). The fact I'm so self-preservation makes me want to be a Tech Entrepreneur and not an Employee. I think Micheal Corleone is a Self-Preservation 8.
8w9 sp, i remember people used to think that i was an asshole because i use to go to work, not talk to anyone, do what i was supposed to do and then leave, without acknowledging anyone. I don't see why i should make friends or do anything extra. I was hired to do something and i accepted the job offer for a reason, so that's what i'll do and that's what i'll follow. Being "ok" or whatever, seems really unnecessary to me. Unless making contacts or networking is the reason why i put myself on that particular situation, but i don't think i'd ever do that in a million years. So your explanation really makes sense. I'd guess that most of the "strong silent" cliches of cinema/tv are 8 sp. Rosa Diaz from Brooklyn 99, Tommy Shelby from Peaky Blinders, The Hound from Game of Thrones and Geralt from The Witcher (Netflix) are probably 8w9 sp. Arya Stark from GoT is probably a popular 8w7 sp, Alfie Solomons from Peaky Blinders as well, but i find it more difficult to find 8w7s as sp first. They're more stereotypically Sx and So.
@@Trobynski could be... i feel like his persona is 8w9 sp, but i feel like he might be an 8 so/sx or maybe even a 3. He mocked marlon brando in public at the oscars, did some pretty shady/shitty decisions in his private life that came to the public. So his actual private life might not be 8w9 sp. But his persona definitely fits the bill. Edit: not saying that 8 sp can't be shady or shitty, just saying that there are some of his more private stuff that points him to different types.
When I was twelve years old, my older sister made me spitting mad. She sat there laughing at me, and I couldn't think of anything I could do to get back at her. Her laughter was a huge mockery of my anger. At that moment, I saw anger as the ultimate loss of control, and I made a vow to myself: "Don't get angry. Get even." From then on, when I felt threatened, my goal was to make my sister angry and laugh at her. I got really good at saying just the thing to make her lose it. She's a 1, so she kept trying to get me to conform to social standards "for my own good." That would trigger me. When I was 19, she asked me, "Why are you so MEAN?" It took me back a little. Was I so mean? I decided to dial it back after that, but I was a real bully--especially of my older sister, during my teens. Ironically, she married an 8. I don't have a problem talking about feelings, though. I understand feelings--other people's feelings more than my own. I think I might be an 8w9. Sp under stress. So when comfortable.
You're welcome for what we don't do lol. #pause I told you! 8s more than any other number really need to meditate in a devoted way to not only be happy but give others a break in this life. I try...
I'm an 8w7 sx ( ENTJ ) type . 18 years old . Lately for couple of months I have been relaxing & self reflecting . I'm grateful that I didn't go to the other dark side of me when I'm angry which I'm mostly & then I see the glimpse of Bright Side of me who is helping the insignificant or misunderstood person so that he could excel in his life & stand on his feet , don't get bullied. Lately I'm controlling my impulses . So many people get intimidated & fearful when I just say A line & start to confront them . They think I'm ruthless ; heartless ; rude ; agressive ; arrogant (which might be true at times ) & on and on but they don't understand I'm doing this to help them . I have to grow very early . I truly believe I have #no limits . I am just about the experiences & pleasures of life & nothing can stop me except Jesus Christ . I'm about gaining the most from life & help others do the same too. Thank you for making this video . You & C.S Joseph clarified my personality & mine own self reflection .
Your videos have helped me so much! I wasn't sure if I was a 1 or an 8, but after watching a few of your videos I'm pretty sure I'm a self-preservation 8. Going to watch the difference between 8w7 and 8w9 video next, but I'm thinking I'm more of an 8w9 because your comparison to Stanley from the office was spot on :-D I think Donna from Parks and Recreation might also be a good example of a self-preserving 8!
people need to realise only Se doms can be enneagram 8. if youre so sure of e8, you’re not an ISTJ. enneagram 8 is very sensory-motor focused and are described as acting before thinking or feelings, hence excessive impulse. they’re cognitively extraverted too.
no, people need to realize that any mbti can be any enneagram because the two don't even correlate. mbti is about how your brain works. enneagram is about your core fears and desires. the way your brain works isn't going to specifically exclude one or two of the nine core fears and desires of the types and vice versa, that's stupid. sure some combinations are more common than others but there's also 8 billion people in the world, so whatever combos you think are impossible and don't exist, are definitely possible and definitely exist, and will continue to do so.
My 8 year old daughter is an 8 and I struggle to help her navigate her intense emotions and understand herself. Can you do a series on how parents can assist their children to understand their emotions and motivation so that they can grow into emotionally mature adults
My husband is definitely a so/8 and I'm a SO/7w6 .. it's crazy 🤪 but fun! He's gonna fight for us no matter what.. and work hard to provide everything our kids need! It's funny because he has some friends who seem "weak and vulnerable" and he bring them to the gym, he finds new opportunities and jobs for them and try to make them stronger 💪 So true when you said that it's hard for an 8 to open their hearts and share "weak" feelings. I really love my husband, wasn't easy at the beginning of our marriage but we complement each other. We love to dance, to travel and have fun every moment we can 😁 I used to feel I wanted to run away from my husband, my mom( she's a 6w7) and my kids 😅 because as a 7 I always try to start my day being positive but their strong energy and demands made me feel so stressed out. Saying that I want to thank you Dr. Lahue for sharing these videos, it's really helpful 🙌🙏
Haha, the part when you mentioned Eights wanting to throw out the money changers in life really resonated with me. I'm a 8w7 SX and the money changers in life are one of my biggest hangs ups and I'm always raging against the machine.
I'm a male INTJ type 8 but as for the wing I got 5w4 ! Having the the highest scores on 8 followed very closely by 5 then 4! making my tritype 854 I resonate with a lot of characteristics of both 8w7 and 8w9 , but in my introspective time alone I tend to become philosophical, artistically expressive and absent minded totally detached from the physical realm! I believe we are not one type only but a spectrum of all types with a highest Preference for 2 or 3 types , and off course your most Dominant type will reflect the most outwardly in society , thus you'll be perceived as that type! Humans are complex enigmas spread across a spectrum of endless varieties of uniqueness! what we have to do is embrace our innate colors, magnify them and permeate the world with our unique existence! (: You can clearly tell I'm in my 5 atm :)
I love your videos! I appreciate all your explanations and metaphors - feels like we're chatting in my living room (while I'm LMBO). This is all so applicable, affirming, and liberating. God bless you!!
I thought I was a 3 for a long time, but just read a type 8, and I feel... seen? I feel safe in listening to this... it feels so freeing to finally understand why I didn’t fit into what I thought I was.
I'm also a 458. Self preservation 4 dominant. Its never my intent to be hurtful or harmful, but if I offend someone by speaking the truth, I am not bothered by it.
You are so much in my head because I have literally said in a tweet in response to B"ut Trump doesn't care," I say yeah but a judge is going to care and then a warden is going to care, and then a cellmate is going to care haha
Sexual 8w9 here, and I'm quite comfortable with having the image of being David, showing up at the city gate carrying the head of Goliath. I may not be "the best", but I'm the one that's going to get it done! At the same time, I'm very good at using that image to promote and empower others. What gives me the right? I was born the king, but my real strength is in having powerful subjects.
Lol- @9:00...I thought your word of advice (and I was gearing up my defences)... was going to be 'Compromise'...NEVER! Lol...actually pause is great advice...( I'm actually a seasoned 5) 😉👍
That is very interesting. I’ve been dealing with an 8 and thought he was a self-preservation but I had read another description and when sharing that with him he believed he was a social 8. But now watching your explanation, 200% he’s a self-preservation. And he’s a 8w9. However, the social subtype looks like him a lot too. So a bit confusing.
Social 8, that’s totally me!! Inspiring & I fight for empowering the underdog. A 5 just told me to pause & breathe OMG. Hilarious 😆 Former BFF is totally the “mob boss 8,” thus why she got pissed that I stood up to her bullying, anger & controlling behavior. I also stood up to defend a two she was preying on. Your explanation was extremely helpful to explain our 8ness. She believes it’s her job to give people “a wake up call,” her words exactly, and in anger of her burst out said, I don’t like it,” and I told her “it doesn’t matter if you don’t like it #2 is #2, she’s going to do #2 way.” Oh goodness she was furious at me. And talk about blame, she went too far blaming me for not throwing her a 50th birthday party. A grown ass woman throwing a tantrum and I saw through her BS & didn’t let her get away with it 😆 I told her we can no longer be friends & she has to get a grip of her anger issues. That was the last time we spoke. OMG so domineering. Totally different 8a in full action & so efficient to end 30+ years over anger & blame. Wow, totally explains it all. Now she hangs out the #2 she ostracized. Go figure! So glad to be far removed from her anger and controlling behavior phew!! Full of 💩 and she gets away with it because everyone is terrified of her. Funny u used the word regulate, she doesn’t regulate herself lol she’s more of the “regulator!!” Steamroller, you are so right! She’s made her employees cry!! I’m so glad I listened to this. Totally explains our different 8 differences & dynamic. She’s always bragging about her perfectness. I saw right through it.
Are you sure she isn't a 1? She must be very unhealthy. Most 8's are above that shit especially at her age. I know I can't be bothered to hold a grudge or be petty because I'm so far above that and the ppl that are "deserving" of some revenge or retribution are so far beneath me in my own mind that I can't even be bothered to know they exist anymore in my universe. It's like they are dead to me and I don't even have to waste any energy on them.
I'm a sexual 9w8, and my husband is a sexual 8w7 - OMG, he IS a lot to deal with! His go to emotion is anger. He is exhausting. Complete road-rage addict. It is like he wants to fight all the time. He's an Aussie who thinks he's more interesting than anyone in the room, and completely dominates the conversation (about himself). I can barely get out any words about what is truly important to me. Can't have a scoop of ice cream on the weekend, only the whole carton; then lives on nothing but coffee during the week.
Wow. I'm an 8 for sure. I think I resonate with 8w9 better than w7. I also think I most relate to the sexual 8, although I also relate to the social 8. I was always WAY TOO MUCH for everyone. and I have matured and learned to "control myself" but that came from 19 painful years of extreme eating disorders. I always used my EDs (bulimia when the passions were high and I wanted an outlet for the intensity (lust), and anorexia when I rebelled against my own self and denied I had any emotions or needs. Both were used to help me quiet the intensity of emotions). I think my desire was always to be a healthy 8 and I only had maladaptive coping skills to help me get there. Now, after much intensive therapy to treat my eating disorders I feel more equipped to self regulate. Also, this most recent time I've been in treatment I discovered the enneagram. Knowing that I'm an 8 and that its ok to be an 8 helped me tremendously in letting go of all the barriers I had erected to protect me from all of those turbulent emotions kicking around inside of me all the time. Also, Being a female 8 in the Christian community is Hard! But since I've been in ED treatment and also discovered the enneagram, I'm starting to embrace who I actually am.
*Be me. Sx 8w7 listens to video while alone and aggravated on Valentines days, surrounded by empty beer bottles and uncomfortable after eating too much, a few days after a friend broke up with me for “being too much to the point is causes me stress”* “… dammit” I think the video could’ve talked a bit more about our positive roles though.
Show love by an acknowledgement of their strength and self-sufficiency. #8's are undoubtedly STJ/ NTJ's in the Meyers-Briggs system. This means that they are Rationals, not Feelers. Serve their need for actionable data. They are the problem-solvers, so if you want more of anything, lay out the specifics without demands. They love you by serving your 'necessary' material needs or the needs they believe their reputation demands.
Gary Leason I’m an ENFP and an 8 100% I feel the best way to show us love is just to listen to our vent/rant in full. We do it really well for others (my husband and I are both enfp 8s) but nobody usually returns the favor. Our friend who is a 2 tries, but she offers “let’s go do this!! I’ll get you a drink!” And it’s like bro I just want to be listened to!! Why does no one do this? Lol I would say it’s dangerous to say we don’t think emotionally just because we are rational and strong. Anyway, this is for me and husband personally so might not apply to everyone else
Gary Leason 8 here and entp, we are out there too :D Wanna show me you love me, stay loyal regardless, zone out when I get angry, and let med fix shit when it burns, and don’t get in my way. And if you really wanna manipulate/charm/compliment me, tell me I did what none others are able to ;)
I love what you said about if 8 and 7 could just come together and lean on each other we might make a good person 😁😁 I am a 7, my partner is an 8 and that's so real.
Social 8 here. Is your opinion that 8s are a negative bc it sounds like it? You take every character trait of an 8 and twist it into something bad. 8s are about what's fair. At least that's how i feel. How is that negative?
I’m a ENTJ 8w7 and i feel identified with your arguments across this video, is difficult for me express my feelings (dark ones), request help or show my vulnerable. Event share difficult and challenges moments of my past only I request to talk about it not show other they can do it because i did it. I don’t trining to control everything but some stuff and cases I do
There is a video by the channel Type cast about the Godfather trilogy being about the three subtypes of 8. Vito being the social one, Sony the sexual one and Michael the self preservation one.
So I took the test. 8 was my main, but I had two others (3&4) also high on the chart. No idea what they are. But 8 seems thrilling and enlivening! I love it! Amazon ✨💖
8w9 sp, I often look like a 5 or 9 but this was affirming, if at times tedious. you danced around points with your language a lot, but over all it was good to watch. cheers
I am a social 7w8. I was raised by a self pres 8w7 and a self pres 9w8. There was SO much 8 energy in our house. "I'm not going to be weak and you're not going to be weak either". Whoa that sounds like my Dad's parenting strategy in a nutshell. I also feel like when you connect with your primary caregiver(s) via a wing, that wing is going to become very developed. I look and think a lot like an 8 because that's how I connected with mom and dad. I also, as a child, really thought that everyone was watching out for vulnerable folks and acting as 'the bully's bully'. Both of my parents always said, 'it's your job to defend other people' and 'if someone can't stand up for themselves then you stand up for them'. It's actually really tiring to be in that stance consistently.
I'm an 8w9 AND a SX dominant 8. I've heard my entire life that I'm intimidating, intense, and a lot. My mom tells me "You're like a bull in a china shop." I used to think i was a 1 because I'm a rule follower. But then i realized its only when i think the rule is reasonable. If i don't, then i kinda go rogue and do my own thing.
So this is definitely a more technical version of astrology. Subtypes, rising and Moon signs, they're primarily the same thing. Obviously astrology having the rigid first placement depending on the month of the year. But it's pretty damn close.
I feel so called out right away with the first one except for the revenge part I don’t relate with that at all. But I do believe in non-malicious teachable moments.
I'm a social 4w5, and my life person is a self preservation 8w9. I can't tell you how many times in our relationship I've gotten frustrated with him because he refused to go to the proper people to get the help he needs to get specific things done😭 it happens like weekly. LOL!
Is it possible to be a self preserving, social, and sexual 8 at the same time? I feel like I can be all three, more so self preserving and sexual, depending on the situation/environment
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As an 8 I get the “You’re too much” response a lot. My first thought is “I’m not too much. You’re just too little” 😂 I know I need to be more compassionate... working on it 👍🏼
We just need to work on being appropriate to the situation and the people we are around.
LOVE this comment! As an 8 with strong 7 wing...I am passionate, intense AND yes..too much for certain other types...mostly introverts.
I am a 7. My mother is an 8. Mom is 81 and I am 60. We have pretty much always gotten along like oil and water. The one thing that will send me to my defensive mode quicker than anything is when she says, “You need to…” I feel she doesn’t respect me as a grown adult and treats me like an 8 year old.
@@elizabethluanecampbell6071- growing up I constantly heard:
"you should.....
"you ought....
"you must.....
I say: don't should, ought, or, must me.
THOSE guideposts DON'T run my Life.
I've been called "too much" in under 5 minutes of meeting some people! I've decided that's fine! Get with me or get going!
Both 8s and 5s hate 'neediness'.
As a sx4 me too 🙏
Great video as usual! 😊👍
Thank you for amazing videos.
1:30 type: SP8 - Self Press
19:57 type: SO8 - Social
43:55 Type: SX8 - Sexual or 1 to 1
You're a saint!
I’m 8 and you’ve made me realize why some messages I’ve gotten from Preachers aren’t challenging. When I hear their words I’m thinking, “duh”!
Also when a preacher, motivational speaker, trainer or teacher yells at me that makes me want to go against whatever they’re saying in a knee jerk response. Lol Even when I agree with them.
I learn more from the calm Mr. Roger’s Type.
Social 9s are inspiring to me.
Anyway, I’m 8w7 Sx and feel that the write ups never talk about how do have a 7 side that allows us to be goofy and silly around certain people. We’re not wrecking balls 24/7.
I do believe you’ve nailed how a lack of control makes us withdraw.
Thanks
Yes! I am mostly “business” but given the right environment I surprise a lot of people with how much “fun” I am. But I also can’t take too much “fun” (fun by other people’s terms) or I feel ungrounded. lol
Thank you! Social 8 here, and I was like "yes!" when you were talking about how so many preachers are just giving 8 messages from the pulpit. You've by far given the best breakdown of enneagram I've ever seen. And I'm definitely taking all the praise for not flipping tables every time I'm upset 😂
I always say “Which Jesus are you?” ...rising out of Gethsemane looking for a table to flip! Haha
@@charvis71 YES!! I love this description 😁
As a social 8 preacher, I was shouting YES, fuck yes! Exactly this!
"Pause and surrender" .. hard words to hear and accept, but the words that taught me a lot.
I'm a nurse and damn I take my job seriously. There was a terminal patient I was taking care of, stomach cancer. He stopped eating, he stopped drinking. I just couldn't sit by and do nothing. I was looking into finding something, anything for it to be better. I asked the doctor for the glucose i.v. and she gave the i.v. The patient was already frail and the i.v. was too much for his body. The liquid started to collect in the lungs. And the doctor told me the words I will never forget: "Just stop. Take a breath. It is noble to fight wanting to do good, but sometimes you need to know how to let go. Sometimes letting go is the better thing to do." The patient died few days after.
Social 8 here. I received many different confusing test results but when I watch your 8 videos, it is CLEAR AS DAY that's what I am. Thank you so much for your contributions here. It has been a great help to get to know myself in a new way.
01:04:14 "To be healthy is to be present to life. And don't miss what's right in front of you..."
The prescription is very type 7 :D
Yesssss
"Thank you for what you don't do" lol!! Thank YOU for saying that. I think I'm a reasonably healthy 8 and most of my challenges are about stopping myself from doing or saying certain things. I guess this is why I'm not scared of conflict or "difficult people", because they give me a socially acceptable excuse to open the flood gates of full blown 8ness. My view is that life is much nicer when you're not a jerk and you pay attention to how you treat people. It can be challenging but it's totally worth it!
Ps. Woodworking! Best therapy! Don't know what to do with all the anger, just go brutalize a piece of wood instead of lashing out at people!
Agreed. I tell my husband if he only knew what I was really thinking or "could have" said or done in certain situations...lol. When someone tries to reign in an 8 we are like, "Trust me, this IS reigned in!" Lol
@@NewlyAwakened - I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. I can't count the times that I have said to my ISFP/pygmie-INFP husband
(i think he's a Enneagram #3 :
NON-EMOTIONAL):
"IF you only knew what I could have said - but didn't - you would GIVE ME MORE CREDIT!" ....... SELAH :
no credit is given for Olympic-quality Self-restraint.
I brutalize my pillow most days…the poor fabric 😢
@@andrewwabik5125 Welp, today I brutalised a marketing person on an unsolicited phone call. I'd already unsubscribed from everything from the company, how dare they still have my number in the database. Now I feel bad about it, sorry marketing guy, employees don't deserve crap for the tactics of their higer-ups. But the call woke me up, the jerk filter wasn't turned on yet.
I legit BURST OUT LAUGHING when Dr. T said “and to the degree you don’t enforce total surrender we are very proud of you” lol we are so ill.
self regulation is key
Have you ever done (or could you do) a video titled “The most difficult thing to do for each type”. I.E. The most difficult thing for an 8 to do is.... For a 2 is... Maybe, “the hardest thing each type should be doing/ improving” ? Thx.
This!
12:27: Understanding what's in your control and what isn't, is a principle I started to work on quite recently. To my fellow Type 8's out there, who want to learn how to let go of their frustration and anger, I recommend "The Little Book of Stoicism" (Author: Jonas Salzgeber) to you. The book takes a practical approach on how you can change your mindset to actually achieve a "peace of mind" in any kind of situation. At the same time the stoic philosophy leaves enough room for interpretation, so any Person(ality-type) can apply it's principles without the need to sacrifice their identity (I figured the last bit of that sentence might be important for 8s to be convinced^^).
I’m an ISTJ 8w9, I kept getting confused for the longest time if I was a 5. This subtype explanation literally describing my dna. Thank you so much. I hope you are having a nice day or night.
Same here. Feel confused between 5 and 8w9. Perhaps have been able to tone down
this is me too!!!
I had a similar experience. I now know I'm an INTJ 8w9, but for a long time I thought I was an ISTJ and Type 1. I was off by one letter and two numbers lol. Happy I figured it out.
@@BombshElle_7INTJ 8 is not possible, in fact it’s quite the opposite.
ISTJ 8 is not possible
Just found out im an 8 W9
I feel like this a new step in self development.
EDIT: My God lmao
This is ME lol
It sounds like we need a constant release. Which makes perfect sense.
Great content!
I appreciate you and your videos a lot! (and thats coming from an 8w7)... so you know, it means more.
Thank you! Now I know why I have seen myself as an 8 and a 5. I knew I was more an 8 but I couldn't see why I felt so close to 5. This has also helped me to see why I also have 2 tendencies. I just always thought that was more because I am a coach for women who have gone through trauma and live with anxiety. This video is so eye opening!
My youngest son is most definitely an 8. I always try to encourage him to “use his powers for good, not evil”.
I have watched so many of your videos, but enjoyed this one the most! It really helps me understand my son. Wish I would have known about enneagram when he was younger.
Encourage him to be vulnerable and open his heart ..and shere his difficult experiences with you ..
It is ok to be weak sometimes and have a good cry ..
8s identified with the role of (the rock )
The person who will take care of everything (I am strong. I will get everything done and in control )
But after a while they feel exhausted even to the point of having a health crisis ..
They are in complete denial of their feelings and weaknesses..
ENTJ 8w7 sx here... I feel like this guy described me to a T (for better or worse haha). But I learned to temper some of my worst impulses and to consider other people's sensibilities fairly early on in life. Now as an adult my focus is fully realizing my best strengths/qualities and finding balance without compromising the fireball of a person I am 😅😎
My dream is to be an inspiring leader that people admire and look up to.
Damn it! *pause* I am an 8w7 Sexual type woman. Now all my life makes sense. *flipping tables*
I Am A SEXUAL 8w7 ENTJ
@@emilyacoxpsychic8w7 sexual entj twin flame as well
I am an 8 and you described me to a T. On any given day or in any moment I can cycle through any of the subtypes, I recognize myself in all of them. Wing 7 with 4 and 5 in the high 90%s. I've lived through the temper tantrums and anger issues, I'm much more balanced and can take a step back from things now.
I think 8’s are awesome. I wish everyone was an 8. Fight to the death survival of the fittest!
.....said an 8 lol
That would not end well
Lol. Not good.
I can’t believe that I’m 59 and just learning about the enneagram. You sir have done such a service with your videos. I’m a 5w6 (I think) dating a 8w7 (for SURE) for 8 months. . She been learning about this for years. Now so much of what she’s shared makes more sense. I tell her she “eighting all over the place!” Or that I’m “fiving on you right now.” I take it all I little less personally. Thank you sir. I owe you.
Being in a wheelchair and being an 8 Independence has definitely been one of my fav. words growing up! lol... Oh all the words you are using about 'strength', 'self-reliance' etc... Crazy how much that's me! My grandmother calls me little orphan Annie! lol
52:16 absolutely hilarious
Very well spoken. I’ve learned that sometimes I try to use the same “matter-of-fact-ness” in my voice, when speaking to my 8, that my 8 uses when speaking to others. From me, it isn’t as well received by my 8 as I hope and instead can appear much harsher than intended.
From my observation of my husband and knowing him for 25 years, he has displayed each of these types over the span of his lifetime. He is currently under stress and is acutely aware of the rise of Big Brother and those who want to control others with their laws, their rules, their taxes, their surveillance. So now he is functioning more as a survivalist 8. He is hunkered down in 5 mode! But in his younger years, I saw a lot of the traits of the social and sexual 8. Having children in his care and protection has made a difference. Time, maturity, and circumstance effects these subtypes so ihmo maybe don't get too caught up in putting yourself or other 8s in one of these categories and thinking you are going to stay like that. I am just getting started with enneagram work but I suspect the wings are the same way.
Great video! Robin Hood always seemed like a 7w8 to me. Quick-minded, resourceful, witty, in charge of the folks in Sherwood but didn't lord it ofer them too kuch, kind of a trickster, focused on ensuring that material needs were met. The line between 8w7 and 7w8 gets a little blurry for me sometimes though.
Dr. LaHue, I appreciate your detailed reviews of Enneagram sub-type videos! Sub-type analysis is truly necessary to fully understand your Enneagram test results in my view. I am tied between 8 and 1. And the closed second is 3. The subtype report from the Enneagram Institute wasn’t enough for me to decipher its full meanings. That said, I now have a better understanding of how I could be both 8 and 1. I am 1 with the dominant sexual subtype which you described as a counter type 1 who can be more like the type 8. Wow 🎉. Thanks for your dedication in helping people understand their Enneagram results better.
Without doing the subtype test for 8, I am pretty sure I would be a counter 8 - Social 8
My son 4 year old son is an 8w7 can be charming and exceptionally challenging. He does want to control everything except his own emotions and actions.
tal gurl 🤨🤨
Right. I am in charge... just, not of myself.
My boyfriend is an SO/SX 8 and I’m a SO/7
We LITERALLY balance each other so well by brining each other’s wings. It’s so crazy. His 5 weakness and my 2 constantly fight 😂 im so open with feelings and he’s not normally vulnerable. Both very adventurous. I’m nurturing and indecisive. He’s very decisive and aggressive.
Love him so much. He helps me even though he’s harsh and he sometimes stomps on the adventure of my 7 by making me choose and hurts the feelings of my 2 by being indifferent. I help him even though I back him into a corner and make him express his feelings. I also help him to become more open minded because of my 7. We’ve given up on changing one another. We accept each other for these above traits. We trust that the other always has our best interest at heart
This made me understand 8's so much more. I think i have had a wrong picture of them and this has defenetly made me see this type of person from a different ankle!
We can be difficult characters but we got good stuff for the humans, too.
Which ankle?
@@1rewd133 I guess i had not understood their vunerable side, and the reason why 8s feel a need to be so strong, that they fear "disappearing" or being ruled over. As a 9, i really look up to standing that much up for yourself and what/who you love.
@@nannatheilgaard9156 yeah, that's all fine, but what about the ankle?
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Wow, I'm a self-preservation 8 - INTJ (8w7). The fact I'm so self-preservation makes me want to be a Tech Entrepreneur and not an Employee. I think Micheal Corleone is a Self-Preservation 8.
Shitt... were we separated at birth?
8w9 sp, i remember people used to think that i was an asshole because i use to go to work, not talk to anyone, do what i was supposed to do and then leave, without acknowledging anyone. I don't see why i should make friends or do anything extra. I was hired to do something and i accepted the job offer for a reason, so that's what i'll do and that's what i'll follow. Being "ok" or whatever, seems really unnecessary to me. Unless making contacts or networking is the reason why i put myself on that particular situation, but i don't think i'd ever do that in a million years. So your explanation really makes sense. I'd guess that most of the "strong silent" cliches of cinema/tv are 8 sp. Rosa Diaz from Brooklyn 99, Tommy Shelby from Peaky Blinders, The Hound from Game of Thrones and Geralt from The Witcher (Netflix) are probably 8w9 sp. Arya Stark from GoT is probably a popular 8w7 sp, Alfie Solomons from Peaky Blinders as well, but i find it more difficult to find 8w7s as sp first. They're more stereotypically Sx and So.
PeteStranger clint eastwood?
@@Trobynski could be... i feel like his persona is 8w9 sp, but i feel like he might be an 8 so/sx or maybe even a 3. He mocked marlon brando in public at the oscars, did some pretty shady/shitty decisions in his private life that came to the public. So his actual private life might not be 8w9 sp. But his persona definitely fits the bill.
Edit: not saying that 8 sp can't be shady or shitty, just saying that there are some of his more private stuff that points him to different types.
PeteStranger maybe its his character im thinking of 😃
Geralt is a 9w8 if u played the game u can see his true character
You sound like you have become very self-aware. That is a good thing.
I think your advices are quite good for "sexual 8": controlling temper (anger), spending, apetite, swear words, diet, attitude, "the mouth". ;-)
When I was twelve years old, my older sister made me spitting mad. She sat there laughing at me, and I couldn't think of anything I could do to get back at her. Her laughter was a huge mockery of my anger. At that moment, I saw anger as the ultimate loss of control, and I made a vow to myself: "Don't get angry. Get even." From then on, when I felt threatened, my goal was to make my sister angry and laugh at her. I got really good at saying just the thing to make her lose it. She's a 1, so she kept trying to get me to conform to social standards "for my own good." That would trigger me. When I was 19, she asked me, "Why are you so MEAN?" It took me back a little. Was I so mean? I decided to dial it back after that, but I was a real bully--especially of my older sister, during my teens. Ironically, she married an 8.
I don't have a problem talking about feelings, though. I understand feelings--other people's feelings more than my own. I think I might be an 8w9. Sp under stress. So when comfortable.
I can't express how much I value this.
You're welcome for what we don't do lol. #pause
I told you! 8s more than any other number really need to meditate in a devoted way to not only be happy but give others a break in this life. I try...
seriously, dying here after hearing "thank you for what you DON"T do"
I'm an 8w7 sx ( ENTJ ) type . 18 years old . Lately for couple of months I have been relaxing & self reflecting .
I'm grateful that I didn't go to the other dark side of me when I'm angry which I'm mostly & then I see the glimpse of Bright Side of me who is helping the insignificant or misunderstood person so that he could excel in his life & stand on his feet , don't get bullied. Lately I'm controlling my impulses .
So many people get intimidated & fearful when I just say A line & start to confront them . They think I'm ruthless ; heartless ; rude ; agressive ; arrogant (which might be true at times ) & on and on but they don't understand I'm doing this to help them . I have to grow very early . I truly believe I have #no limits . I am just about the experiences & pleasures of life & nothing can stop me except Jesus Christ . I'm about gaining the most from life & help others do the same too.
Thank you for making this video . You & C.S Joseph clarified my personality & mine own self reflection .
Your videos have helped me so much! I wasn't sure if I was a 1 or an 8, but after watching a few of your videos I'm pretty sure I'm a self-preservation 8. Going to watch the difference between 8w7 and 8w9 video next, but I'm thinking I'm more of an 8w9 because your comparison to Stanley from the office was spot on :-D I think Donna from Parks and Recreation might also be a good example of a self-preserving 8!
people need to realise only Se doms can be enneagram 8. if youre so sure of e8, you’re not an ISTJ. enneagram 8 is very sensory-motor focused and are described as acting before thinking or feelings, hence excessive impulse. they’re cognitively extraverted too.
no, people need to realize that any mbti can be any enneagram because the two don't even correlate. mbti is about how your brain works. enneagram is about your core fears and desires. the way your brain works isn't going to specifically exclude one or two of the nine core fears and desires of the types and vice versa, that's stupid. sure some combinations are more common than others but there's also 8 billion people in the world, so whatever combos you think are impossible and don't exist, are definitely possible and definitely exist, and will continue to do so.
Healthy Social 8s are truly amazing people!
My 8 year old daughter is an 8 and I struggle to help her navigate her intense emotions and understand herself. Can you do a series on how parents can assist their children to understand their emotions and motivation so that they can grow into emotionally mature adults
My husband is definitely a so/8 and I'm a SO/7w6 .. it's crazy 🤪 but fun!
He's gonna fight for us no matter what.. and work hard to provide everything our kids need!
It's funny because he has some friends who seem "weak and vulnerable" and he bring them to the gym, he finds new opportunities and jobs for them and try to make them stronger 💪
So true when you said that it's hard for an 8 to open their hearts and share "weak" feelings.
I really love my husband, wasn't easy at the beginning of our marriage but we complement each other. We love to dance, to travel and have fun every moment we can 😁
I used to feel I wanted to run away from my husband, my mom( she's a 6w7) and my kids 😅 because as a 7 I always try to start my day being positive but their strong energy and demands made me feel so stressed out.
Saying that I want to thank you Dr. Lahue for sharing these videos, it's really helpful 🙌🙏
Haha, the part when you mentioned Eights wanting to throw out the money changers in life really resonated with me. I'm a 8w7 SX and the money changers in life are one of my biggest hangs ups and I'm always raging against the machine.
I'm a male INTJ type 8 but as for the wing I got 5w4 !
Having the the highest scores on 8 followed very closely by 5 then 4! making my tritype 854
I resonate with a lot of characteristics of both 8w7 and 8w9 , but in my introspective time alone I tend to become philosophical, artistically expressive and absent minded totally detached from the physical realm!
I believe we are not one type only but a spectrum of all types with a highest Preference for 2 or 3 types , and off course your most Dominant type will reflect the most outwardly in society , thus you'll be perceived as that type!
Humans are complex enigmas spread across a spectrum of endless varieties of uniqueness!
what we have to do is embrace our innate colors, magnify them and permeate the world with our unique existence!
(: You can clearly tell I'm in my 5 atm :)
As an INTJ, I got 8w7 Sp.
I love your videos! I appreciate all your explanations and metaphors - feels like we're chatting in my living room (while I'm LMBO). This is all so applicable, affirming, and liberating. God bless you!!
I thought I was a 3 for a long time, but just read a type 8, and I feel... seen? I feel safe in listening to this... it feels so freeing to finally understand why I didn’t fit into what I thought I was.
"Pause to be helpful, not harmful"
-458
I'm also a 458. Self preservation 4 dominant.
Its never my intent to be hurtful or harmful, but if I offend someone by speaking the truth, I am not bothered by it.
@@InYourNetwork @ashleyching3166 Nietzsche was a 548 or 584
Im a sx/sp 458 and if truth offends people, sorry man you gotta grow some thick skin 💀🙏
You are so much in my head because I have literally said in a tweet in response to B"ut Trump doesn't care," I say yeah but a judge is going to care and then a warden is going to care, and then a cellmate is going to care haha
Sexual 8w9 here, and I'm quite comfortable with having the image of being David, showing up at the city gate carrying the head of Goliath. I may not be "the best", but I'm the one that's going to get it done! At the same time, I'm very good at using that image to promote and empower others. What gives me the right? I was born the king, but my real strength is in having powerful subjects.
I cannot imagine anyone putting something on my calendar. That's absolutely unacceptable on so many levels.
Whew! That one got me. 😎🔥
Right???!!!
You are so very welcome for what we DON'T DO!!!! haha that was so funny
8w7 Sexual ENTP muhahahaaaa and I AM A LOT
Lol- @9:00...I thought your word of advice (and I was gearing up my defences)... was going to be 'Compromise'...NEVER! Lol...actually pause is great advice...( I'm actually a seasoned 5) 😉👍
That is very interesting. I’ve been dealing with an 8 and thought he was a self-preservation but I had read another description and when sharing that with him he believed he was a social 8. But now watching your explanation, 200% he’s a self-preservation. And he’s a 8w9.
However, the social subtype looks like him a lot too. So a bit confusing.
People say I'm talking in an angry tune when I'm just normally talking
I'm so glad you went there. You're the best.
Social 8, that’s totally me!! Inspiring & I fight for empowering the underdog. A 5 just told me to pause & breathe OMG. Hilarious 😆 Former BFF is totally the “mob boss 8,” thus why she got pissed that I stood up to her bullying, anger & controlling behavior. I also stood up to defend a two she was preying on. Your explanation was extremely helpful to explain our 8ness. She believes it’s her job to give people “a wake up call,” her words exactly, and in anger of her burst out said, I don’t like it,” and I told her “it doesn’t matter if you don’t like it #2 is #2, she’s going to do #2 way.” Oh goodness she was furious at me. And talk about blame, she went too far blaming me for not throwing her a 50th birthday party. A grown ass woman throwing a tantrum and I saw through her BS & didn’t let her get away with it 😆 I told her we can no longer be friends & she has to get a grip of her anger issues. That was the last time we spoke. OMG so domineering. Totally different 8a in full action & so efficient to end 30+ years over anger & blame. Wow, totally explains it all. Now she hangs out the #2 she ostracized. Go figure! So glad to be far removed from her anger and controlling behavior phew!! Full of 💩 and she gets away with it because everyone is terrified of her. Funny u used the word regulate, she doesn’t regulate herself lol she’s more of the “regulator!!” Steamroller, you are so right! She’s made her employees cry!! I’m so glad I listened to this. Totally explains our different 8 differences & dynamic. She’s always bragging about her perfectness. I saw right through it.
Are you sure she isn't a 1? She must be very unhealthy. Most 8's are above that shit especially at her age. I know I can't be bothered to hold a grudge or be petty because I'm so far above that and the ppl that are "deserving" of some revenge or retribution are so far beneath me in my own mind that I can't even be bothered to know they exist anymore in my universe. It's like they are dead to me and I don't even have to waste any energy on them.
Spot on! Im a social 8 and I realy felt everything that was said.
I'm a sexual 9w8, and my husband is a sexual 8w7 - OMG, he IS a lot to deal with! His go to emotion is anger. He is exhausting. Complete road-rage addict. It is like he wants to fight all the time. He's an Aussie who thinks he's more interesting than anyone in the room, and completely dominates the conversation (about himself). I can barely get out any words about what is truly important to me. Can't have a scoop of ice cream on the weekend, only the whole carton; then lives on nothing but coffee during the week.
"you are mortal"
well, that's an insult xD
Daniel Plainview (Daniel Day-Lewis) in the film There Will Be Blood is definitely a self preservation 8
You are spot on. Clutch, sir. Social 8w7 most days. When unhealthy, self preservationist...and ya blow up some things and aren’t loving. PAUSE
Wow. I'm an 8 for sure. I think I resonate with 8w9 better than w7. I also think I most relate to the sexual 8, although I also relate to the social 8. I was always WAY TOO MUCH for everyone. and I have matured and learned to "control myself" but that came from 19 painful years of extreme eating disorders. I always used my EDs (bulimia when the passions were high and I wanted an outlet for the intensity (lust), and anorexia when I rebelled against my own self and denied I had any emotions or needs. Both were used to help me quiet the intensity of emotions). I think my desire was always to be a healthy 8 and I only had maladaptive coping skills to help me get there. Now, after much intensive therapy to treat my eating disorders I feel more equipped to self regulate. Also, this most recent time I've been in treatment I discovered the enneagram. Knowing that I'm an 8 and that its ok to be an 8 helped me tremendously in letting go of all the barriers I had erected to protect me from all of those turbulent emotions kicking around inside of me all the time.
Also, Being a female 8 in the Christian community is Hard! But since I've been in ED treatment and also discovered the enneagram, I'm starting to embrace who I actually am.
*Be me. Sx 8w7 listens to video while alone and aggravated on Valentines days, surrounded by empty beer bottles and uncomfortable after eating too much, a few days after a friend broke up with me for “being too much to the point is causes me stress”*
“… dammit”
I think the video could’ve talked a bit more about our positive roles though.
Is there a way to really offer help to an 8 , or to really show love in a way that they feel loved and supported?
Show love by an acknowledgement of their strength and self-sufficiency. #8's are undoubtedly STJ/ NTJ's in the Meyers-Briggs system. This means that they are Rationals, not Feelers. Serve their need for actionable data. They are the problem-solvers, so if you want more of anything, lay out the specifics without demands. They love you by serving your 'necessary' material needs or the needs they believe their reputation demands.
Gary Leason I am ENFJ 8w7😜😅🌺
Gary Leason I’m an ENFP and an 8 100% I feel the best way to show us love is just to listen to our vent/rant in full. We do it really well for others (my husband and I are both enfp 8s) but nobody usually returns the favor. Our friend who is a 2 tries, but she offers “let’s go do this!! I’ll get you a drink!” And it’s like bro I just want to be listened to!! Why does no one do this? Lol I would say it’s dangerous to say we don’t think emotionally just because we are rational and strong. Anyway, this is for me and husband personally so might not apply to everyone else
Gary Leason I am NF’s. 8w7 social. Also another NF’ 8 was Martin Luther King. So it’s not correct your presumption of this. Sorry.
Gary Leason 8 here and entp, we are out there too :D
Wanna show me you love me, stay loyal regardless, zone out when I get angry, and let med fix shit when it burns, and don’t get in my way. And if you really wanna manipulate/charm/compliment me, tell me I did what none others are able to ;)
impressive clarity, thank you so much for your work.
I love what you said about if 8 and 7 could just come together and lean on each other we might make a good person 😁😁 I am a 7, my partner is an 8 and that's so real.
Social 8 here. Is your opinion that 8s are a negative bc it sounds like it? You take every character trait of an 8 and twist it into something bad. 8s are about what's fair. At least that's how i feel. How is that negative?
I align with the social 8: like to challenge the system, dislike the status quo, and will defend the powerless.
I’m a ENTJ 8w7 and i feel identified with your arguments across this video, is difficult for me express my feelings (dark ones), request help or show my vulnerable. Event share difficult and challenges moments of my past only I request to talk about it not show other they can do it because i did it. I don’t trining to control everything but some stuff and cases I do
PAUSE! 👏🏻 I needed this.
8w7 all the way around.
I see myself in all these variants for different situations.
ESTP 8w7 Sx/So
The ‘Mob boss’. The Godfather is one of my favorite movies.
There is a video by the channel Type cast about the Godfather trilogy being about the three subtypes of 8. Vito being the social one, Sony the sexual one and Michael the self preservation one.
Shocking
Thought I was a 5
Self-preservation 8 rang very true for me
Very wise
So I took the test. 8 was my main, but I had two others (3&4) also high on the chart. No idea what they are. But 8 seems thrilling and enlivening! I love it! Amazon ✨💖
I'm an ENTJ 8sx lmao I like power, dominance, and glory lmfaooo
What if you married an 8, you must be having fun. That's wonderful ❤
“And I’m like… that’s so 8” lol love it
8w9 sp, I often look like a 5 or 9 but this was affirming, if at times tedious. you danced around points with your language a lot, but over all it was good to watch. cheers
Most 8s are either ESTP, ESTJ, ENTJ, and ENTP. Mostly extroverted thinkers. (See personality café survey found in Wikipedia.)
I'm an 8 wing 9, enfj
Intj 8.... I'm misunderstood as entj
I'm an INTJ 8w7
I’m also an ENTJ
Anton Chigurh from No Country For Old Men is a perfect example of a self preservation 8
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Chigurh is such a compelling character, and I'm glad you see the depth in his portrayal of self-preservation.
im an 8, is it possible to switch or have multiple sub types? like i feel im a little of all 3 or is that because im just an 8 in general?
After watching this video, I feel REALLY heard right now...thank you so much!!
27:00 made me laugh out loud so much that saying lol would do zero justice! I’m a 2 sister is a 8
I am a social 7w8. I was raised by a self pres 8w7 and a self pres 9w8. There was SO much 8 energy in our house. "I'm not going to be weak and you're not going to be weak either". Whoa that sounds like my Dad's parenting strategy in a nutshell.
I also feel like when you connect with your primary caregiver(s) via a wing, that wing is going to become very developed. I look and think a lot like an 8 because that's how I connected with mom and dad. I also, as a child, really thought that everyone was watching out for vulnerable folks and acting as 'the bully's bully'. Both of my parents always said, 'it's your job to defend other people' and 'if someone can't stand up for themselves then you stand up for them'. It's actually really tiring to be in that stance consistently.
Tom = BOSS LEVEL
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thanks for this, this is gold to me
LMBO when you said an 8 will put a chicken in a headlock until the chicken starts to be a chicken, lol, so true. 28:00 timeframe-ish
I'm an 8w9 AND a SX dominant 8. I've heard my entire life that I'm intimidating, intense, and a lot. My mom tells me "You're like a bull in a china shop." I used to think i was a 1 because I'm a rule follower. But then i realized its only when i think the rule is reasonable. If i don't, then i kinda go rogue and do my own thing.
So this is definitely a more technical version of astrology. Subtypes, rising and Moon signs, they're primarily the same thing. Obviously astrology having the rigid first placement depending on the month of the year. But it's pretty damn close.
Bashar is a great example of an 8 with less aggression, more impatience 😂
My 8 husband thinks I should be grateful for how much he controls himself, when in my opinion he is over the freaking top all the time!
I feel so called out right away with the first one except for the revenge part I don’t relate with that at all. But I do believe in non-malicious teachable moments.
Dont know about the other types...but with the 8 you hit the nail on the head! thank you!
I'm a social 4w5, and my life person is a self preservation 8w9. I can't tell you how many times in our relationship I've gotten frustrated with him because he refused to go to the proper people to get the help he needs to get specific things done😭 it happens like weekly. LOL!
I appreciate your perspective on this. It's always interesting to navigate different approaches in relationships.
Great video. 8w7 so/sx here. I’d love to hear more how being so means being counter and what to do with that.
Is it possible to be a self preserving, social, and sexual 8 at the same time? I feel like I can be all three, more so self preserving and sexual, depending on the situation/environment