Manufacturing processes (The real source of bulk pollution) need to be examined, waste needs to be eliminated and new cleaner tech needs to be adopted in all of the manufacturing processes. The end user's impact is negligible by comparison.
Reusable gel bags. Even if gels are thrown away properly in the bin they are still thrown away to a landfill. It would be great if companies made a reusable container to refill gels from, rather than single use.
I'm waiting for the day when epoxy eating bacteria are engineered to enable carbon fibre to be digested. And then the day after when the bacteria are leaked and everyone's bike rots! You are right though, carbon is terrible for the environment.
the epoxy they use breaks down in soil over time and the filaments left would break down as well. the production of carbon fiber and assembly probably uses less energy than forging metal too.
@@howarddavies136 they exist source:ive seen fiberglass decompose in soil many times, also plastic grocercy bags too, thiner the better(not like California's thicker bags)
The single biggest way to make cycling greener is for the whole industry to change this mentality that we must have the latest and greatest technology - a new bike every year, different types of bikes, N+1, plethora of accessories, etc... But the industry isn't ready for that conversation, and I suspect GCN, who relies and promotes big business regularly, isn't either.
This. Absolutely this. At least when GMBN addressed the same topic recently, Neil Donaghue admitted to a touch of hypocrisy. Not to mention it _at all_ is pretty lame, IMO. The number of water bottles / wrappers used by the pros is similar to the fuel consumed by Formula 1: utterly inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. The stuff that makes the difference is the stuff the masses (ie, us) do or don't do.
@@nixo139 As @davidf2281 alludes too, it's all about big picture. In the same way David mentions pro water bottles being a drop in the bucket, we as avid cyclists with higher end bikes are still only a small percentage of the bike industry as a whole. The overwhelming majority of bikes sold are low-end bikes through mass retailers to non-enthusiasts. In the Western world, most of those low-end bikes have a shelf life of just a few years; they get used only a few times, sit in the corner of a garage or shed, then end up in a landfill. Even in rare cases where they are used on a regular basis, on going maintenance on those cheaper bikes will exceed the original price of the bike altogether! Economies of scale manufacturing has gotten to a point where it is cheaper to buy an entirely new cheap bike from a mass retailer than the replace the drivetrain of that cheap bike when it wears out... We as an industry have to change the value proposition at every single level, from low-end bikes to high-end bikes. Until we can truly manufacture green bikes, we have to make low-end bikes that are built to last for the majority, and we have to stop lying to owners of high-end bikes that their bike isn't obsolete.
If I recall correctly though, banana peels take years to decompose as opposed to an apple which takes just weeks. So don't throw them in the bushes either.
@@woutervanr That depends on the humidity of the environment. In arid areas, banana peels surely do linger. In areas with more humidity, like mine, they don't last long.
@@wvmikep Well yes, ofcourse the environment matters. Lets be honest though, if the max time is a few years, you aren't going to do much better than maybe 8 months. That's still pretty long. Too long to just say "sure, throw them wherever you want".
@@woutervanr definitely did not mean to imply that people have carte blanche to litter just because it's a banana peel. Put it in your pocket, bring it home, compost it.
Décathlon do a reusable gel "bottle" You don't need any cycling specific nutrition tho, you can do everything yoursel (bars, sirup and salt in your bidon, sandwiches and many more), it's cheaper and better for your health !
Exactly. I just put a little bit of syrup for energy and bicarb for electrolytes in my water and it's done me well so far. You don't need individually wrapped doses of sugar gel to have a nice ride.
Slw Snowman40 Totally agree Stephen. I hate CO2 cartridges - used by the same people who don’t think it’s ok to have a pump mounted to the frame 🤦♂️ Regardless of whether they can be reused or recycled, we should be reducing first. Any re-use just costs more energy.
@@onnomeeuwis4001 Most commercial Co2 is made as a by-product of chemical companies making Ammonia. Gathering it from the air is very costly in comparison.
I got a few questions about the "Sustainablity", also seriously putting as the next point the training camp on Mallorca where you definitely can't cycle to? 1. What kind of biodegradable is your bottle? It is not all the same and by no means says you can put it in your compost int he backyard! 2. The tubing, there are more than one creative company out there reusing them for backpacks and purses and co, actually really nice accessory for a cyclist! 3. What is about the jerseys? I tried to find a sustainable fair cycling shirts for more than a day and then just gave up. Where are their produced? How are they produced? Can you make them from recycling material? Non of the big companies really tell you, you are no exception to that rule, not even for the t-shirts you get information how they are produced. and lastly since you were so upset about the parking slot thing with the cafe, that is the stupid rule in Germany as well, all new builds need sufficient parking spaces when you are public. Stupid, but rolling your eyes will not help! I was actually disappointed, I expected way better info from the title.
In triathlon, at least here in Germany, littering during the race would get you disqualified. Not sure how stringently the rule is applied, but it's there, at least as a deterrent. See no reason why the same wouldn't hold true in pro cycling.
Agreed. I mean what are the pockets on your jersey for. Reminds me of cigarette butts in the old days. And beer cans on hiking trails. It was light enough to carry when full, but too heavy when empty.
I like this Lloyd family Father and daughter, enjoying cycling and hosting the show together, you can definitely see they are relatives and are similar :P
She did say she's bad at math. So lets do the math for her (distances, height difference and estimated time courtesy of Kamoot): Bath - Poole is 60 miles, 3100ft, let's say 4 hours. The ferry to Cherbourg is 4:30 hours. 75 miles to Avranches, 4500ft, another 5 hours. And that's day 1. Day 2 Avranches - Nantes, 115 miles, 4400 ft, 7 hours. Day 3 Nantes - Royan, 130 miles, 2700ft of height difference, 8 hours. Day 4 Royan - Bordeaux, 75 miles, 1100ft, 4 hours. Easy day to recover. Day 5 Bordeaux - Biarritz, 122 miles, 2000ft, 7 hours Day 6 Biarritz - Bilbao, Spain, 100miles, 9000ft!!!, 7 hours. And from there to anywhere in Spain is less than 700 miles, so it's less than a week. Manon, you can do it! In less than two weeks! Why would only Si enjoy bikepacking? #bikepackingwithManon - do it GCN (when Covid19 allows it)!
@@stajp67 It would be a nice ride, but doesn't have to take so long! Instead of taking the ferry to Cherbourg, take it overnight to Bilbao. There, saved you 5.5 days!
@@ridefree4076 If we're going that route, Manon can fly to Bilbao. There, saved her another 25 hours (I checked, ferry Poole - Bilbao is 29 hours, and there is 2 hour EasyJet direct flight from Bristol to Bilbao). The idea is to correct Manons wrong math (she said it would take her months to get to Spain while it's only a week to get to the border, and another to get anywhere in Spain), and that she wants to go for a bikepacking trip...
Green ideas - homemade gel in a reusable squeezy honey bottle -easy to make - lasts for ages - fits perfectly in your back pocket and home-made bars wrapped in coil of grease proof paper folded at one end and coiled round to the other end then twisted at the top - easy to open, no gnawing at impenetrable plastic and biodegradable.
I use a soft-flask (GU energy flask) and buy gels in bulk (15 serving pack) to reduce my environmental impact as much as possible. Sadly, a lot of flavors are not available in this format. I think eating a banana instead of a gel for shorter rides is also a less impactful alternative.
started to make my own energy gels. using the same method as adam Hansen for storage. Maltodextrin powder, water, natural flavouring and the xanthan gum to get the gel consistency preference. Best part is it only costs 10p per serving and no wrappers! (22g carbs)
I find it somewhat amazing that this segment entirely missed the point. One of my favorite quotes about cycling (and I unfortunately don't remember it exactly, or who said it) was to the effect, 'people think of cycling as a "green" sport, until they see a race with 3 helicopters, 50 cars, and 20 motorbikes following a group of skinny little climbers up a mountain pass.' Cycling as a sport has about the same carbon impact as formula 1, which I don't think anyone would put into the "ECO" category. Even at the level of a "committed" amateur, the sport has a significant carbon impact. Consider that each single kilogram of carbon fibre puts roughly 30kg of greenhouse emissions into the atmosphere; that almost every cycling product is made from extracted, non-renewable materials; and that end-of life solutions for most bicycle products is to land-fill them, and you would be hard-pressed to convince anyone that cycling is a "green" sport. E-bikes and all of the connected trainers, power units, etc. are also taking products which at one time did not require electricity and turning them into energy drains on an already over-utilised power grid. Every time your GPS pings, every internet-connected training session on a wahoo trainer, every segment stored in the ethers on Strava is generating carbon emissions. Cycling - in terms of commuting - is a great alternative to driving, and much more eco. But there are also critical differences in the mindset among most commuters - they are not constantly buying the latest and greatest for their commuting, they are repurposing, second-life-ing, and riding things until they have absolutely zero service life left in many instances. Typically the focus is on what is essential. As cyclists, we have a vested interest in the environment and in arresting the effects of climate change as rapidly as possible. We will hit +2° from pre-industrial levels by the end of the decade at current consumption rates. The chain of events that come along with this are simply horrifying, and quite truly detrimental to the sport we love. We need to look at real change - in materials, in sourcing, in manufacturing processes, in transportation, in obsolescence/upgrading, in PRIORITIES. We have developed a warped sense of accomplishment where we go out and buy a new pair of wheels, take 20 seconds off our Strava segment PR, and think we have gotten faster. The bike got faster, you, as a cyclist, are exactly the same.
I could go on forever here. But firstly throwing a tube after one single puncture...🤬 As an 80s youth, my tubes used to have ten patches before being chucked. With decent tyres, I only very rarely puncture these days but still keep tubes to five patches. But mainly, the industry should be making things that last.....I feel that my nine speed stuff from twenty years ago was way more durable than the 11/12 speed stuff now. However, I had to move on because Campag' nine speed stuff was getting virtually impossible to find. Finally, I always recommend to people to buy a decent secondhand bike rather than a cheap new one. Oh yes, don't do carbon, not very green. AND just now I get an email saying 'upgrade your bike!' No, I won't.
On the aspects of the sport that are not very good for the environment, you could have mentioned: carbon fiber and our urge to buy parts, accessories and new bikes all the time.
By far the biggest thing you could do is ban carbon fiber bikes. They pollute the environment like crazy to produce and they can't be recycled or repurposed. They'll all end up sitting in landfills for the next 10,000 years.
"Another obvious one is rappers." Yeah. It's their mics. Pretty sure they don't biodegrade. "Ther's nothing worse than seeing leftover rappers on the side of the road in the beautiful countryside." I don't know. I think EDM producers are in contention there. Oh, I'm sorry. I was thinking of something else.
I've been watching GCN since 2015 and love the channel. However, I must admit that I have never watched a GCN show episode or tech episode in it's entirety. I just skip to the good parts to save time so i can ride more. Now because Manon is presenting, I've watched 3 GCN episodes in it's entirety!! Her expressions, insight and humor are priceless. Manon has a big future in broadcasting and presenting. I think the bbc and Amazon will come calling soon. So lets enjoy Manon at GCN while she is still here.
Dan: "Shorts and short sleeves in Norway, not something that happens particularly often up there". Fact: Since my first ride with shorts and short sleeves on May 26th, I've had 70 bike rides, with 90% of them wearing said type of clothing - and not freezing the slightest, mind you. I dare you soaking wet Brits to beat that statistic! Welcome to Norway :-)
Don't get mad at Lloydy... just sit with a smug look on your face when GCN makes another UK-based, 'how to dress for winter cycling' video and then laugh out loud at their lack of applying rule #5.
My Idea would be with indoor training! Use conversion trainers so all that power gets turned into power(electricity)! You could even get Hank to ride it and power a GCN show!
Greener- What about helmets? I'm not sure what can be done with them after their effective life is over; i.e. I usually replace mine, on average, after 5 years (exposure to UV/weather/sweat...etc) or on 2 occasions crashing and cracking them. Recyclable materials?
Part of the problem is all the different materials (foam, shell, straps) making them hard to recycle. Helmet technology (ie the foam) is the same as 30 yrs ago - which needs replaced too frequently. Means bike companies sell more helmets. I think bike companies must be run by right arseholes - they do nothing to make their sustainable products.
A reusable gel pouch is a must have if you race, do any long group rides, or just plain don’t want to stop to tear open a gel packet to eat it. I prepare my small pouch ahead of time with two gels plus a little water so it all comes out. No stopping, mess, no hassle, no wrecks in a bunch of riders because you’re trying to open a package.
I always repair my inner tubes because they are a huge piece of waste to throw away. I discard an inner tube when there are more than 6 patches on it, but instead of throwing it away, I cut it up into hundreds of hair ties. They break more easily than the ones specifically made for the purpose, but one tube makes a big enough batch of black minimalistic hair ties to last for 2 or 3 years. Considering that it takes me more than 2 years to puncture 6 times (heavy anti-puncture tires), I have never thrown away an inner tube! And I never buy hair ties. This is the perfect formula for you long-haired cyclists out there
What about cleaning? Using biodegradable soap, or environmental friendly chainlube? And we cyclist use so much functional clothing, which isn't very green either..
It's pretty awesome that you all featured the Black Cycling Network at the beginning of the episode. I follow them on instagram and they do great things! I think it'd be even better if you all made a video about how we can make cycling more diverse. It could start by hiring a person of color to join the GCN team in an on screen role! You are one of the most followed cycling channels on youtube (if not the most), it'd be a huge a statement a step in the right direction.
CAPTION: #Now that it's raining more than ever Know that we'll still have each other You can stand near my Pinarello You can stand near my Pinarello, ello, ello, eh, eh, eh...
I agree to a lot of the criticism about bottles and wrappers being one of the lesser important factors in env. pollution. BUT credit where credit is due: GCNs maintenance videos are what motivated and educated me to reuse and recycle lovely old bikes and view them as an alternative for cars.
@@chuckmccracken4136 Thank you! Very kind of you. I doubt I have it as I think the 'ineoshoe' one is probably on course to top it, but this makes me feel happy! :D
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I think us, "normal/average riders" use the bottles for several years. At least, I use them for 2-3 year before turning them into bottles that I use at home. The main reason why I stop using them for cycling is that they start to leak. But it is not a big deal when I use it at home. Throwing away the gel pouches is not about being green or not. It is about being an idiot or not. Don't buy every second crap/part/clothes from the other side of the world just because it is cheaper by $1-2. Your local stores most probably have those things already in their stocks. So, you save a lot of CO2 by avoiding these purchases and you also support your local shop. Also, go for metal parts, don't buy carbon fiber. CF is not really recyclable, but metals are!
Caption: GCN: "An exciting days racing in the Tour de Wallonie. If you missed it you can catch up on GCN race pass link in the description down bellow. The race had a fair bit of rain, as demonstrated by this photo here of Owain Doull. Shoe fiascos like this display the importance of the humble overshoe and here at GCN we have you covered, with the new GCN Castelli Slicker Pull-On Overshoes, available at the GCN shop link also in the description" Me: "seemless plugging"
Old inner tubes are being re used when staking new street trees planted in San Francisco. So not only are they avoiding the landfill for a few more years, but they're also contributing positively to the environment by growing the urban forest. 🌲 🌳
You don't necessarily have to squeeze out individual gels to fill a gel flasks, some manufactures like Hammer sell 26 serving bottles for those like Hanson who prefer to use a flask. I'm guessing pretty much all the brands of gels might also offer larger quantity bottles like Hammer does for this reason, and if they dont, they should.
It would be interesting if there were rules on number of bikes/wheels/parts allowed over the course of a season, like F1. This would put emphasis on durability and repairability of bikes, while offering an extra dimension of strategy. Hopefully this could inspire average cyclist to buy more sustainable bikes as well.
i would love to continue to support GCN race pass with a subscription, but due to the lack of literally every major race being geo-blocked in the US i will be canceling my subscription. its is very frustrating to open the app, see every stage of the tour is going to broad cast live, and not be able to watch any of it. Especially whenever i am paying the same price as someone in EU who can watch all of the major races... and considering the content is still not available on the GCN website and there appears to still be no chromecast compatibility, its not worth the subscription anymore.
Does it happen to anyone else that they watch these GCN videos and during the entire video you are hoping that you get one of those cool goodies? Man, I have a new hobby of day dreaming about winning a new bike or these goodies. I got so excited about it that I got myself a new roadbike (entry level) just so that I can put those imaginary goodies to use. And thanks to GCN now I'm totally invested in cycling and I guess that's one way in which I'm contributing to being environment friendly. So ya, influencing others through digital content is a good change every other rider can make to help environment.
Really pleased to see you starting to address this. Petro-chemical free oils, lubricants and greases is one place to start. Green Oil have some well regarded products but the rest of the industry needs to catch up. You're not being environmentally friendly if petro-chemicals are coming off your bike. Rubber is the same story. Some of the tyre manufacturers including Continental are starting to make progress here but much more needs to be done.
Would love to see a GCN video on bamboo bikes. There are some intriguing products out there. Not really ultralight racers, but I’d love to see a review for these as gravel bikes or commuters. There are even commercial kits, which could be a great GCN Tech episode.
Idea for a future show would be how to build a rocker board for the Wahoo Kicker V5 and a Kicker Climb. There are lots of ideas out there that look good but I know you guys will do a great job. I hope to build one for the winter period and would like a plan! Thanks!
Biodegradable bottles is good from a waste-reduction point of view, but you still need recources and energy (= co2 emissions) so making >3000 bottles is a waste! I can cycle for years with only 2 bottles. Can't they make it a rule: only 2 bottles per rider per grand tour. If you need more (because you lost one) you get a time penalty! solves both problmes, no waste and less ressources used!
Yeah paint the bike green! 🚴♂️😎 Have a giant wheelie bin sections on the tours so the competitors can bin their waste. If you repairing your inner tubes I used to work on the rule when I got to a fourth repair it was time to ditch the tube.
What would you change about cycling to make it more environmentally friendly?
First here. ha!!!
Make all of the vehicles in the following caravan electric
Manufacturing processes (The real source of bulk pollution) need to be examined, waste needs to be eliminated and new cleaner tech needs to be adopted in all of the manufacturing processes. The end user's impact is negligible by comparison.
Reusable gel bags. Even if gels are thrown away properly in the bin they are still thrown away to a landfill. It would be great if companies made a reusable container to refill gels from, rather than single use.
E bike batteries are extremely toxic for the environment once used, so go on a normal bike and just do rides within your natural capabilities.
Carbon fibre, a environmental headache of the future. We need Ollie to come up with that celery based carbon he spoke about!
I'm waiting for the day when epoxy eating bacteria are engineered to enable carbon fibre to be digested. And then the day after when the bacteria are leaked and everyone's bike rots!
You are right though, carbon is terrible for the environment.
the epoxy they use breaks down in soil over time and the filaments left would break down as well. the production of carbon fiber and assembly probably uses less energy than forging metal too.
@@howarddavies136 they exist source:ive seen fiberglass decompose in soil many times, also plastic grocercy bags too, thiner the better(not like California's thicker bags)
@@chrisprice6206Plastic is not biodegradable. It breaks down to microscopic particles in IV radiation from the sun.
The single biggest way to make cycling greener is for the whole industry to change this mentality that we must have the latest and greatest technology - a new bike every year, different types of bikes, N+1, plethora of accessories, etc... But the industry isn't ready for that conversation, and I suspect GCN, who relies and promotes big business regularly, isn't either.
N+1 is ok if you're keeping and using all the bikes. The material is a factor too; carbon isn't recyclable whereas aluminium is.
throw out your rim brake wheels because we're not making rim brake bikes anymore!!!!
This. Absolutely this. At least when GMBN addressed the same topic recently, Neil Donaghue admitted to a touch of hypocrisy. Not to mention it _at all_ is pretty lame, IMO. The number of water bottles / wrappers used by the pros is similar to the fuel consumed by Formula 1: utterly inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. The stuff that makes the difference is the stuff the masses (ie, us) do or don't do.
The problem in the first place is that the production of bikes should be green and it will also be greener if bikes get recycled better
@@nixo139 As @davidf2281 alludes too, it's all about big picture. In the same way David mentions pro water bottles being a drop in the bucket, we as avid cyclists with higher end bikes are still only a small percentage of the bike industry as a whole. The overwhelming majority of bikes sold are low-end bikes through mass retailers to non-enthusiasts. In the Western world, most of those low-end bikes have a shelf life of just a few years; they get used only a few times, sit in the corner of a garage or shed, then end up in a landfill. Even in rare cases where they are used on a regular basis, on going maintenance on those cheaper bikes will exceed the original price of the bike altogether! Economies of scale manufacturing has gotten to a point where it is cheaper to buy an entirely new cheap bike from a mass retailer than the replace the drivetrain of that cheap bike when it wears out... We as an industry have to change the value proposition at every single level, from low-end bikes to high-end bikes. Until we can truly manufacture green bikes, we have to make low-end bikes that are built to last for the majority, and we have to stop lying to owners of high-end bikes that their bike isn't obsolete.
Answer: stop marketing to people to upgrade every 10 seconds
Or flogging them more kit GCN
We have a winner answer!
For everybody not at the absolute top end of cycling, just eat a banana. Their wrappers are 100% biodegradable
If I recall correctly though, banana peels take years to decompose as opposed to an apple which takes just weeks. So don't throw them in the bushes either.
@@woutervanr That depends on the humidity of the environment. In arid areas, banana peels surely do linger. In areas with more humidity, like mine, they don't last long.
@@wvmikep Well yes, ofcourse the environment matters. Lets be honest though, if the max time is a few years, you aren't going to do much better than maybe 8 months. That's still pretty long. Too long to just say "sure, throw them wherever you want".
@@woutervanr definitely did not mean to imply that people have carte blanche to litter just because it's a banana peel. Put it in your pocket, bring it home, compost it.
@@scottpardy990 Agreed. Way better than whatever wrapper you make, even if it's biodegradable (it still had to be manufactured).
Décathlon do a reusable gel "bottle"
You don't need any cycling specific nutrition tho, you can do everything yoursel (bars, sirup and salt in your bidon, sandwiches and many more), it's cheaper and better for your health !
Exactly. I just put a little bit of syrup for energy and bicarb for electrolytes in my water and it's done me well so far. You don't need individually wrapped doses of sugar gel to have a nice ride.
They went through an entire segment on waste in cycling and never mentioned CO2 cartridges.
I get fed up seeing them scattered in the gutters and verges. What is wrong with a pump?
There are places that recycle and reuse them. I bought some new and there was already a few scratches on one of them.
Slw Snowman40 Totally agree Stephen. I hate CO2 cartridges - used by the same people who don’t think it’s ok to have a pump mounted to the frame 🤦♂️ Regardless of whether they can be reused or recycled, we should be reducing first. Any re-use just costs more energy.
CO2 cartridges take CO2 from the air, so it is only temporarily stored. The thing that is wasted, is the cartridge itself (if it is not reused)
@@onnomeeuwis4001 Most commercial Co2 is made as a by-product of chemical companies making Ammonia. Gathering it from the air is very costly in comparison.
Congratulations to Manon and Hank. I'm very happy for you.
3 TAKES!? We need to see these, Please. What a Pro! 24:54
I got a few questions about the "Sustainablity", also seriously putting as the next point the training camp on Mallorca where you definitely can't cycle to?
1. What kind of biodegradable is your bottle? It is not all the same and by no means says you can put it in your compost int he backyard!
2. The tubing, there are more than one creative company out there reusing them for backpacks and purses and co, actually really nice accessory for a cyclist!
3. What is about the jerseys? I tried to find a sustainable fair cycling shirts for more than a day and then just gave up. Where are their produced? How are they produced? Can you make them from recycling material? Non of the big companies really tell you, you are no exception to that rule, not even for the t-shirts you get information how they are produced.
and lastly since you were so upset about the parking slot thing with the cafe, that is the stupid rule in Germany as well, all new builds need sufficient parking spaces when you are public. Stupid, but rolling your eyes will not help! I was actually disappointed, I expected way better info from the title.
Great to see Manon on the show this week; she's a great presenter!
In triathlon, at least here in Germany, littering during the race would get you disqualified. Not sure how stringently the rule is applied, but it's there, at least as a deterrent. See no reason why the same wouldn't hold true in pro cycling.
In USAT races in the US, you won't get DQ'ed, but you will get a hefty time penalty.
How about passing gas? Does that get you disqualified in Deutschland?
@@johnheavner7947 what do you mean exactly? what kind of gas?
@@johnheavner7947 I suppose your farts contain copious amounts of sarin :P
CAPTION: ...and he though he was a shoe IN-EOS for the win
Maybe certain people should stop throwing their gel and bar wrappers on the ground and TAKE THEM HOME...
Agreed. I mean what are the pockets on your jersey for. Reminds me of cigarette butts in the old days.
And beer cans on hiking trails. It was light enough to carry when full, but too heavy when empty.
That's not laziness, that's weight reduction!
Triathletes get disqualified if they litter during a race.
Total pet hate of mine. So lazy and disrespectful.
I feel like I've seen more of these in the last week than ever before. :/
Manon has changed INCREDIBLY - she is profi presenter now - seriously I am happy for her performance ;-)
She’s got an Adams Apple! Is that normal?
@@cannywf1 uncommon, but it is normal. But that's just her larynx.
I like this Lloyd family
Father and daughter, enjoying cycling and hosting the show together, you can definitely see they are relatives and are similar
:P
The family that races together goes places together
@theonlytruefalcon That's what they want you to think...
@theonlytruefalcon Funny, he looks plenty old enough to me. His pro days must have aged him quite a bit...
Like, you do realize that they only thing they share is the last name right?
Bike packing suggestion for Mannon: ride to Spain to a training camp location
Yeah it wouldn't take months. Maybe a week and a half.
She did say she's bad at math. So lets do the math for her (distances, height difference and estimated time courtesy of Kamoot):
Bath - Poole is 60 miles, 3100ft, let's say 4 hours. The ferry to Cherbourg is 4:30 hours. 75 miles to Avranches, 4500ft, another 5 hours. And that's day 1.
Day 2 Avranches - Nantes, 115 miles, 4400 ft, 7 hours.
Day 3 Nantes - Royan, 130 miles, 2700ft of height difference, 8 hours.
Day 4 Royan - Bordeaux, 75 miles, 1100ft, 4 hours. Easy day to recover.
Day 5 Bordeaux - Biarritz, 122 miles, 2000ft, 7 hours
Day 6 Biarritz - Bilbao, Spain, 100miles, 9000ft!!!, 7 hours.
And from there to anywhere in Spain is less than 700 miles, so it's less than a week.
Manon, you can do it! In less than two weeks! Why would only Si enjoy bikepacking?
#bikepackingwithManon - do it GCN (when Covid19 allows it)!
@@stajp67 It would be a nice ride, but doesn't have to take so long! Instead of taking the ferry to Cherbourg, take it overnight to Bilbao. There, saved you 5.5 days!
@@ridefree4076 If we're going that route, Manon can fly to Bilbao. There, saved her another 25 hours (I checked, ferry Poole - Bilbao is 29 hours, and there is 2 hour EasyJet direct flight from Bristol to Bilbao).
The idea is to correct Manons wrong math (she said it would take her months to get to Spain while it's only a week to get to the border, and another to get anywhere in Spain), and that she wants to go for a bikepacking trip...
I think the self-deprecation of Dan has come too far now.
Dan is one of the best cycling commentators and in my top 7 GCN presenters.
Hahaha. He loves it, really!
Petition to have extreme corner back!
How can we make cycling greener? By Re-Cycling! Badum tssss...
Green ideas - homemade gel in a reusable squeezy honey bottle -easy to make - lasts for ages - fits perfectly in your back pocket and home-made bars wrapped in coil of grease proof paper folded at one end and coiled round to the other end then twisted at the top - easy to open, no gnawing at impenetrable plastic and biodegradable.
I use a soft-flask (GU energy flask) and buy gels in bulk (15 serving pack) to reduce my environmental impact as much as possible. Sadly, a lot of flavors are not available in this format. I think eating a banana instead of a gel for shorter rides is also a less impactful alternative.
I am smelling a forthcoming Manon bikepacking through Wales video.
Bike packing ideas: Munich to Venice! Crossing the alps through Austria + Switzerland :) :)
started to make my own energy gels. using the same method as adam Hansen for storage. Maltodextrin powder, water, natural flavouring and the xanthan gum to get the gel consistency preference. Best part is it only costs 10p per serving and no wrappers! (22g carbs)
I find it somewhat amazing that this segment entirely missed the point. One of my favorite quotes about cycling (and I unfortunately don't remember it exactly, or who said it) was to the effect, 'people think of cycling as a "green" sport, until they see a race with 3 helicopters, 50 cars, and 20 motorbikes following a group of skinny little climbers up a mountain pass.' Cycling as a sport has about the same carbon impact as formula 1, which I don't think anyone would put into the "ECO" category.
Even at the level of a "committed" amateur, the sport has a significant carbon impact. Consider that each single kilogram of carbon fibre puts roughly 30kg of greenhouse emissions into the atmosphere; that almost every cycling product is made from extracted, non-renewable materials; and that end-of life solutions for most bicycle products is to land-fill them, and you would be hard-pressed to convince anyone that cycling is a "green" sport.
E-bikes and all of the connected trainers, power units, etc. are also taking products which at one time did not require electricity and turning them into energy drains on an already over-utilised power grid. Every time your GPS pings, every internet-connected training session on a wahoo trainer, every segment stored in the ethers on Strava is generating carbon emissions.
Cycling - in terms of commuting - is a great alternative to driving, and much more eco. But there are also critical differences in the mindset among most commuters - they are not constantly buying the latest and greatest for their commuting, they are repurposing, second-life-ing, and riding things until they have absolutely zero service life left in many instances. Typically the focus is on what is essential.
As cyclists, we have a vested interest in the environment and in arresting the effects of climate change as rapidly as possible. We will hit +2° from pre-industrial levels by the end of the decade at current consumption rates. The chain of events that come along with this are simply horrifying, and quite truly detrimental to the sport we love. We need to look at real change - in materials, in sourcing, in manufacturing processes, in transportation, in obsolescence/upgrading, in PRIORITIES.
We have developed a warped sense of accomplishment where we go out and buy a new pair of wheels, take 20 seconds off our Strava segment PR, and think we have gotten faster. The bike got faster, you, as a cyclist, are exactly the same.
Lol. That last paragraph 😂
I like the vibes Manon and Dan created here. She is more natural, and genuine, and Dan poses as cool uncle. More of the shows with this duo, please :)
Hammer Nutrition has gel in 858 gram bottles that you then use in a 5 use smaller refillable bottle. No gel wrapper to fill up landfills
I could go on forever here. But firstly throwing a tube after one single puncture...🤬 As an 80s youth, my tubes used to have ten patches before being chucked. With decent tyres, I only very rarely puncture these days but still keep tubes to five patches. But mainly, the industry should be making things that last.....I feel that my nine speed stuff from twenty years ago was way more durable than the 11/12 speed stuff now. However, I had to move on because Campag' nine speed stuff was getting virtually impossible to find. Finally, I always recommend to people to buy a decent secondhand bike rather than a cheap new one. Oh yes, don't do carbon, not very green. AND just now I get an email saying 'upgrade your bike!' No, I won't.
Don't worry Manon, you can come bikepacking in The Netherlands. 0 climbing save for the occasional bridge
Hammer Nutrition sells a little squeeze bottle for gel that holds 5-6 servings. Also helps keep your pocket from getting messy. 👍
Hammer Gel in the bottle, eaten from a smaller squeeze bottle. I believe some other companies at least used to offer the same.
On the aspects of the sport that are not very good for the environment, you could have mentioned: carbon fiber and our urge to buy parts, accessories and new bikes all the time.
Much as I love the Lloyd family presenters I just wondering where Si is? Is he ok?
David Am I not allowed to care?
By far the biggest thing you could do is ban carbon fiber bikes. They pollute the environment like crazy to produce and they can't be recycled or repurposed. They'll all end up sitting in landfills for the next 10,000 years.
CAPTION: Hey Owain, I think there's something INEO Shoe....
Cycling is greener than my lawn.
"Another obvious one is rappers."
Yeah. It's their mics. Pretty sure they don't biodegrade.
"Ther's nothing worse than seeing leftover rappers on the side of the road in the beautiful countryside."
I don't know. I think EDM producers are in contention there.
Oh, I'm sorry. I was thinking of something else.
They should really stop that drop the mic thing and take it home!
I've been watching GCN since 2015 and love the channel. However, I must admit that I have never watched a GCN show episode or tech episode in it's entirety. I just skip to the good parts to save time so i can ride more. Now because Manon is presenting, I've watched 3 GCN episodes in it's entirety!! Her expressions, insight and humor are priceless. Manon has a big future in broadcasting and presenting. I think the bbc and Amazon will come calling soon. So lets enjoy Manon at GCN while she is still here.
Hammer Gel sells in bulk with a flask, so you can easily recycle the big bottle when done
Dan: "Shorts and short sleeves in Norway, not something that happens particularly often up there". Fact: Since my first ride with shorts and short sleeves on May 26th, I've had 70 bike rides, with 90% of them wearing said type of clothing - and not freezing the slightest, mind you. I dare you soaking wet Brits to beat that statistic! Welcome to Norway :-)
Yeah I've been wearing all short/short since April and only had to bring out the long sleeves this past week, htfu Lloyd :D
Don't get mad at Lloydy... just sit with a smug look on your face when GCN makes another UK-based, 'how to dress for winter cycling' video and then laugh out loud at their lack of applying rule #5.
Caption: Owain Shoes: "and before you ask, no I don't"
(Say it in a Welsh accent)
This comment just won the internet 😂
My Idea would be with indoor training! Use conversion trainers so all that power gets turned into power(electricity)! You could even get Hank to ride it and power a GCN show!
Loving the the Lloyd combo hosting
Manon wearing a ring! 😥💔
Awww, happy for her anyway! 😍
Greener- What about helmets? I'm not sure what can be done with them after their effective life is over; i.e. I usually replace mine, on average, after 5 years (exposure to UV/weather/sweat...etc) or on 2 occasions crashing and cracking them. Recyclable materials?
Part of the problem is all the different materials (foam, shell, straps) making them hard to recycle. Helmet technology (ie the foam) is the same as 30 yrs ago - which needs replaced too frequently. Means bike companies sell more helmets. I think bike companies must be run by right arseholes - they do nothing to make their sustainable products.
At the risk of an unpopular opinion, I never saw the point in podium or pit girls in any motor sport. I always thought it was completely pointless.
A reusable gel pouch is a must have if you race, do any long group rides, or just plain don’t want to stop to tear open a gel packet to eat it.
I prepare my small pouch ahead of time with two gels plus a little water so it all comes out. No stopping, mess, no hassle, no wrecks in a bunch of riders because you’re trying to open a package.
I always repair my inner tubes because they are a huge piece of waste to throw away. I discard an inner tube when there are more than 6 patches on it, but instead of throwing it away, I cut it up into hundreds of hair ties. They break more easily than the ones specifically made for the purpose, but one tube makes a big enough batch of black minimalistic hair ties to last for 2 or 3 years. Considering that it takes me more than 2 years to puncture 6 times (heavy anti-puncture tires), I have never thrown away an inner tube! And I never buy hair ties. This is the perfect formula for you long-haired cyclists out there
Brilliant idea!
What about cleaning? Using biodegradable soap, or environmental friendly chainlube? And we cyclist use so much functional clothing, which isn't very green either..
Definitely something to be mindful of!
Manon's expressions after Dan throws that caption are absolutely priceless.
It's pretty awesome that you all featured the Black Cycling Network at the beginning of the episode. I follow them on instagram and they do great things! I think it'd be even better if you all made a video about how we can make cycling more diverse. It could start by hiring a person of color to join the GCN team in an on screen role! You are one of the most followed cycling channels on youtube (if not the most), it'd be a huge a statement a step in the right direction.
CAPTION: #Now that it's raining more than ever
Know that we'll still have each other
You can stand near my Pinarello
You can stand near my Pinarello, ello, ello, eh, eh, eh...
Guess it helps if you're hip enough to not have to click the link to figure it out. |-/
I agree to a lot of the criticism about bottles and wrappers being one of the lesser important factors in env. pollution. BUT credit where credit is due: GCNs maintenance videos are what motivated and educated me to reuse and recycle lovely old bikes and view them as an alternative for cars.
I use Hammer gels and buy bulk bottles and a refillable flask that fit into pocket easily. Flask holds 5 gels
CAPTION: "INEOS is no longer a shoe-in to win the race"
The green improvement elephant in the room is non recyclable carbon fiber and shipping frames from across the world.
Caption: anyone know a good cobbler on the cobbles.
Caption Comp: "It's raining cats and Dogmas!"
It's Owain'ing Cats and Dogmas!
#captioncontest: Rain, Rain, go Owain! Hope it falls on team Bahrain!
You win
@@LUCYDIAMONDBOXER1 Ha ha, thanks! Because of this reply I shall feel like a winner whether I win or not! :D
Very cute and clever. You might just have it. :-)
@@chuckmccracken4136 Thank you! Very kind of you. I doubt I have it as I think the 'ineoshoe' one is probably on course to top it, but this makes me feel happy! :D
I think us, "normal/average riders" use the bottles for several years. At least, I use them for 2-3 year before turning them into bottles that I use at home. The main reason why I stop using them for cycling is that they start to leak. But it is not a big deal when I use it at home. Throwing away the gel pouches is not about being green or not. It is about being an idiot or not.
Don't buy every second crap/part/clothes from the other side of the world just because it is cheaper by $1-2. Your local stores most probably have those things already in their stocks. So, you save a lot of CO2 by avoiding these purchases and you also support your local shop. Also, go for metal parts, don't buy carbon fiber. CF is not really recyclable, but metals are!
Bikepacking Adventure with Manon and Hank: Absolutly genius! ;D
Manon's laugh at 23:46 is so honest we don't have any other option than to vote for Dan's caption this week
What's happened to extreme corner? Missing it 😭
Talk about ironic. A bike shop cafe can't open because of car parking. Isn't it about keeping fit and less cars?
Caption:
GCN: "An exciting days racing in the Tour de Wallonie. If you missed it you can catch up on GCN race pass link in the description down bellow. The race had a fair bit of rain, as demonstrated by this photo here of Owain Doull. Shoe fiascos like this display the importance of the humble overshoe and here at GCN we have you covered, with the new GCN Castelli Slicker Pull-On Overshoes, available at the GCN shop link also in the description"
Me: "seemless plugging"
Hahahahaha!
Our bike shop will take old tubes to recycle.
Old inner tubes are being re used when staking new street trees planted in San Francisco. So not only are they avoiding the landfill for a few more years, but they're also contributing positively to the environment by growing the urban forest. 🌲 🌳
Hadn't thought of that. Great idea!!!
You don't necessarily have to squeeze out individual gels to fill a gel flasks, some manufactures like Hammer sell 26 serving bottles for those like Hanson who prefer to use a flask. I'm guessing pretty much all the brands of gels might also offer larger quantity bottles like Hammer does for this reason, and if they dont, they should.
Everyone who's caught throwing away a wrapper during a sportive: 2 years suspension. No mercy.
Bidons are biodegradale in very specific conditions (composting). not when thrown way to the middle of the field...
Come over and do a bikepacking in Canada Manon! The sport is only growing there and it's absolutely picturesque
the tennis ball hack might be my favorite ever on gcn!!!
Been using it for over 2 weeks now, works better than i imagined.
Caption: Ineos , the team of marginal rains
Caption: Team Jumbo Visma is really knockin the Shoes off of INEOS this year
Ahahaha!
Is Mannon trying to hide her engagement ring? Did I miss an announcement?
I HAVENT WATCHED GCN IN YEARS AND I RECOGNIZE THAT DUDE
Marion bring a very fresh way of thinking , Please keep a professionnal like her... I'm very impressed with her CV's...
It would be interesting if there were rules on number of bikes/wheels/parts allowed over the course of a season, like F1. This would put emphasis on durability and repairability of bikes, while offering an extra dimension of strategy. Hopefully this could inspire average cyclist to buy more sustainable bikes as well.
This is my first time watching the Tour de France. I can’t wait until lit starts!
It’d be great if the tyre companies allowed folks to send back the old tires and tubes to be recycled
Best idea yet, but tires cant be recycled, only repurposed to something else. It would be like uncooking a chocolate chip cookie.
Yes! Just like we do with car tyres!
i would love to continue to support GCN race pass with a subscription, but due to the lack of literally every major race being geo-blocked in the US i will be canceling my subscription. its is very frustrating to open the app, see every stage of the tour is going to broad cast live, and not be able to watch any of it. Especially whenever i am paying the same price as someone in EU who can watch all of the major races... and considering the content is still not available on the GCN website and there appears to still be no chromecast compatibility, its not worth the subscription anymore.
Use a VPN
Caption competition. Off to the cobblers owain. not off at the cobbles
I'm more curious what kind of bikepacking insanity J Pow would come up with. Manon can tag along if she dares.
Does it happen to anyone else that they watch these GCN videos and during the entire video you are hoping that you get one of those cool goodies? Man, I have a new hobby of day dreaming about winning a new bike or these goodies. I got so excited about it that I got myself a new roadbike (entry level) just so that I can put those imaginary goodies to use. And thanks to GCN now I'm totally invested in cycling and I guess that's one way in which I'm contributing to being environment friendly. So ya, influencing others through digital content is a good change every other rider can make to help environment.
'A cobbler at work'
Caption: "I've got wet wet wet wet cycling shoes!"
Just send my bottle to Conor
An idea for bike packing. Ride across USA from east coast to West
Really pleased to see you starting to address this. Petro-chemical free oils, lubricants and greases is one place to start. Green Oil have some well regarded products but the rest of the industry needs to catch up. You're not being environmentally friendly if petro-chemicals are coming off your bike. Rubber is the same story. Some of the tyre manufacturers including Continental are starting to make progress here but much more needs to be done.
Lovely to see Manon working with her dad on GCN 😂
You're kidding right? They are not related.
Chuck McCracken 😂😂😂😂
Chuck McCracken You’re from the US, right?
How can we make cycling greener?
Simple.....
Buy steel bikes and reduce your “carbon footprint”
I'm just happy were still talking about Svein Tuft, the preeminent cycling God IMO
Would love to see a GCN video on bamboo bikes. There are some intriguing products out there. Not really ultralight racers, but I’d love to see a review for these as gravel bikes or commuters. There are even commercial kits, which could be a great GCN Tech episode.
CAPTION: I shoe’d think cycling in this weather requires some real sole searching.........#captioncompetition
Excellent show GCN!!!
Idea for a future show would be how to build a rocker board for the Wahoo Kicker V5 and a Kicker Climb. There are lots of ideas out there that look good but I know you guys will do a great job. I hope to build one for the winter period and would like a plan! Thanks!
Did I see an Engagement ring.
Biodegradable bottles is good from a waste-reduction point of view, but you still need recources and energy (= co2 emissions) so making >3000 bottles is a waste!
I can cycle for years with only 2 bottles.
Can't they make it a rule: only 2 bottles per rider per grand tour. If you need more (because you lost one) you get a time penalty!
solves both problmes, no waste and less ressources used!
Caption Competition: No, Owain; this does not make you the raining champion.
Yeah paint the bike green! 🚴♂️😎 Have a giant wheelie bin sections on the tours so the competitors can bin their waste. If you repairing your inner tubes I used to work on the rule when I got to a fourth repair it was time to ditch the tube.
Manon, you could recreate Robert Louis Stevenson's route from "Travel with a donkey in the Cévennes" as a bikepacking trip! :D