Well, episode 5 was actually pretty decent, which just confuses me even more. They are capable of writing good episodes and scenes, they just do it so inconsistently. Everything in episode 5 had a purpose, whereas maybe 10% of this episode did. Bad Batch does the same thing and it drives me nuts. I hate not knowing whether or not a given week's episode is actually going to contribute to the story or be complete fluff. If you don't mind that, good on you, but it's just not for me. I'll probably hold off on making more Mandalorian videos until after this season is over. Here's hoping it forms a coherent, solid story by the end.
Great review. Though I'd argue 2 minor points with you 1) It's not lack of confidence by the writers, they simply don't care (see John and Dave interview and how long The Baby Yoda Toy was training with Deepfake Luke as an example) as long as it has Starwars in the Title they know people will watch it. This leads into number 2 ) "Running out of ideas" Did they actually have any new ideas. The show seemed to be nostalgia bait of a Boba Fett Cosplayer guy runs around with a baby Yoda toy going on video game side quests. In S1, he's shooting up a load of Jawas and I thought the show was on Tatoonie until somone pointed out to me. No its another planet but the same. That's all they rely on, Nostalgia bait
As far as ep 5 is concerned the unifying idea SHOULD have come from Bo, not the Armorer. It makes far more sense for Bo to come to this idea than her. It's like Bo's character fell out of her as soon as she joined the Way. This show already has a bad run of giving it's characters actual character, having them talk to each other about their conflicting ideas, pasts and visions of the futures. Din is barely there as a person. edit: oh and more New Republic incompetence. I hate it, I hate being reminded we're charging towards the sequel dreck.
I'm surprised you thought e5 was decent. For me it was a show packed full of action that, for me, felt completely flat and devoid of any impact, weight or tension. I totally agree with you about the scene with Bo at the campfire, but this is the only time in the whole series so far where the writers adhere to "show don't tell". We're constantly being reminded in direct exposition what's happening and why - why, for instance, did the Rebublic pilot at the end have to directly mention that he thought it was Mandalorians who broke out Gidean?!
@@ruaidhrilumsden I was mostly just relieved that e5 actually had a plot. This is what happens with this show. One week's episode will really annoy me, and then the next week's episode won't be AS bad, and so I'll think it's okay. Is e5 actually good? No, not really, but it at least TRIED to do SOMETHING.
I hate to say this, but Andor doesn't deserve to be a part of Star Wars because the audience is just someone who needs to be told what toy to buy next and why. The quality of audience is remarkably different.
Honestly? Andor is wasted on Star Wars. I wish Star Wars could be good. But it won't. Disney will make sure that it always stays shallow popcorn flick. So I'd rather have Andor be it's own brilliant sci Fi shows that goes for a few seasons than what will likely happen: fanservice crossovers and all this dragging it down to the level of other star wars content.
At the end of season 2 Din deliberately took his helmet off for Groogu and that was after spending time with Bo Katan and the less radical Mandalorians. It was poignant because it showed us how far his character has developed since season 1. But then he reverted back to the old ways off camera ,without any explanation why. And I have legit no idea why we spent almost an entire episode with two glorified extras from previous seasons and the writing in this last episode..... I have no words!
Yeah, I felt that season 1 and 2 was about Din growing away from the creed, and becoming less radical. But then he suddenly only cares about being back in the creed
I feel like we sort of have a reason for that: Kathleen Kennedy. We know that she’s the reason Din gets pretty much two whole episodes centered around him in a show that was supposed to be about Boba Fett and that she wanted Din AND Grogu to be a part of it. I feel like had this not have happened, we might have had an actual story on why Din suddenly gives a shit about the creed again (before you could at least infer that because Din had essentially lost his son, the only thing he had left was his cult, but now Din has his son. So what’s his reasoning now?), but most chances we had for that were sort of stripped away because of those two episodes in TBOBF. Obviously though, that doesn’t give an excuse for the writers and why they’re still not providing adequate reasoning for why Din *still* wants to be in his cult. But yk, whatever ig
@@apeist She really has nothing to do with the creative decisions in Mando other than maybe to keep Baby Yoda around. Favreau has a lot of creative freedom here and season 3 had a lot of writing from George Lucas himself.
Also, Grogu’s “chest plate” is actually a rondel, which makes sense for him as it can serve many different positions as he grows up, unlike an actual breastplate that would have to be replaced
Yeah except there’s no piece of mandalorian armor that even remotely represents a rondel, why are they giving him a set of medieval armor instead of something that actually looks mandalorian
@@thelastbrickbender2139 most mandalorians are human, and maybe when Grogu is fully grown he won’t wear a rondel anymore, it’s still better than constantly replacing a chest plate
@@elighcollier8110 they coulda just started with a pauldron then, besides it’s not like they’d constantly have to replace it, it’ll take him like a couple hundred years to fully grow
Mando season 3 is a fever dream at this point. Seasons 1 & 2, for all their flaws, pushed a goal for Mando and Grogu that would definitely change their lives. There is so much (attempted at least) meaning in the ending of season 2 when Din removes the mask before letting Grogu go. But naaah, can't have character progression that would kill what made our show successful, we need to just forget of all that so we can have the duo doing... something? for 5 more seasons. But then again I felt like Mando was getting milked already back in the Book of Boba Fett so it's not like I'm surprised.
@master_samwise I honestly feel like its just a few individuals making these decisions... there isnt any way seasoned episodic directors like dave planned anything in s3. it honestly feels like there was an original plot, story, everything, and then it all got thrown out just so "haha funny baby yoda" can return, and everything else is some sort of half-assed attempt at salvaging the plot
Remember how in episode 3 bail pulls up on the Jedi temple and a Padawan goes toe to toe with the clones and after cutting down a decent number the Padawan is finally overwhelmed by clones and is gunned down. Meanwhile 4 Jedi vs a handful of clones and all of them are gunned down it's pathetic.
the worst mistake ever was bringing back baby yoda. he's barely even a character and was used more as a plot device in the past two seasons. now he's just there for marketing and to add filler laugh sections I guess. I have a feeling that this show would be a lot more focused on din if it hadn't been for disney forcing baby yoda back into the fold
The showrunners are completely incapable of achieving more than one thing at once. We have 'plot scenes', we have 'worldbuilding scenes' and we have 'character scenes'. They are NEVER intermingled. A single line of dialogue in Andor will often achieve more storytelling than 5 minutes of runtime in The Mandalorian
@@master_samwise Remember how the entire plot of Andor dovetails from the very first scene? Every single event can be traced back to that moment where he is ambushed. Nothing in Mando is ever that clever. For example, imagine if the first scene in Season 3 showed us Gideon working out some clever way he can break his way out of captivity. Then at the end of the episode, we get a stinger where he's just about to hatch his plan. We can have some sort of through line showing him using his cunning and his lack of morals to escape, formulate a small band of die-hard imperial loyalists and THEN we can see Bo-Katan's chums go and fight and potentially kidnap and torture him as revenge for the glassing of Mandalore. [Spoiler alert] instead, in episode 5 we just have 'oh shit, Gideon went missing, ah well lol, back to my 9-5 doing paperwork'
@@WrongIdeasChannel I think the Gideon escape aftermath was a great alternative to actually seeing the escape - and that dark dead-space shots were just dope. the subtle set up was there before. but the point with the inconsistent writing and dialogue issue even in this great part of the episode was also there - when its discovered Gideon is missing the scene could have been ended and it would be enough information, tension and open questions (for the cliffhanger effect) - but they added the beskar part - which still would have worked out - but this "you think the mandalorians took gideon" dialogue line was just this weak dialogue writing in which you point out obvious plot points in a unnatural way - the audience in S3 should be able alone to put together that discovered beskar would probably led the New Republic to the conclusion - without directly trying to tell it the audience via dialogue. Thats the blessing and curse of Andor. It shows whats possible and how it should be - and afterward you see it in the other media how its not how it should be.
@@Philipp3022 Exactly. They genuinely think the audience are morons, or they KNOW most of the audience are on their phones while watching, which is why it's necessary to have these asinine lines to remind everyone of what is going on. It's a circular problem: make boring show -> people don't pay attention -> have to spend all your time spelling stuff out -> this makes the show boring. Also I'm fine with no scenes to show us Gideon's escape, I just wanted the people in the new republic to actually take it seriously, instead of talking about it like there's light showers coming at 3pm
@@WrongIdeasChannel absolutly agree. the problem with the New Republic is that in general i really like that the New Republic is a flawed incompetent burocracy like the Republic and the Empire as this makes the most sense, represents the core-political message of the prequels and also aligns most with what George Lucas once planned (but never realized, sadly). but potraying incompetence requires good writing. incompetence needs to be balanced in an reasonable amount depending on the genre and compared to the competent cast. its a identical issue with how much plot-information you directly reveal via dialogue. if 50% of all new republic officials would act incompetent and naive the audience would realize that the new republic is overall vunerable because of incompetence and naivity - if 1 single pilot captain apparently is the only character who has competent moments and literally everybody else we saw hasnt (corruscant aristocrats, dr pershins burocrat boss, the doctor with the mind frayer, the assistant in the observer room of the mind frayer, the colonel, the officer in the comms at the end of the last episode) - its just not balanced.
I watched a video where Matt Stone and Trey Parker were talking about storytelling. They said that between each story beat you need to have 'therefore' or 'but' or 'because', and not 'and then'. Mandalorian/Disney star wars feels like a lot of 'and then'... mandalorians are shooting into the water...(?) and then a bird shows up... etc.
Bo Katan reminding the mandalorians on the mission of stuff they were already told actually made sense to me. From what I’ve learned from people in the military, they will constantly remind you about things you should already know, because stress makes your forget things, or do things automatically.
US military: we (Biden) just kinda forgot the people and equipment we left behind... Trump: idiots US military: if only i could've been reminded to exfil with the equipment and doggos we had...
I think you're being very kind to the writers here, and for me this part was particularly jarring. It seems pretty clear that that line was not originally supposed to be in the show, and was added in retrospectively because, after shoehorning in Grogu's flashback, they realised it had been literally minutes since we were told what their plan was and, being Star Wars fans and thus idiots, we need to be reminded. Otherwise why not have Bo Katan remind them whilst still on the ship, probably before or as they were landing? It just stinks of hastily overdubbed dialogue over footage that they already had.
@@ShishouDzukiZaManako you do know trump made the plan for leaving Afghanistan right? Like it was dumped in bidens lap and he had to make do with what he was given
Yeah definitely the dumbest thing for me is how the bird thing had the kid in its mouth for a whole day for some reason, like what was it doing? and he chokes him up completely clean, at least throw some gunk/slime on him
If we hadnt gotten Andor last year, I dont know if this stuff would have bothered me that much, considering the Mandalorian has never been as consistent as people laud it to be.
Honestly, I would like to return to Coruscant for more Dr. Pershing. The problem with this season is that there are no more side quests for Mando, so now most of the scenes in various episodes seem filler. Do not get me wrong, I really like Season 3, but at the same time I feel that showrunners wanted to set up something big, but didn't thought about the small things. And that's what makes watching this season different in a way. Edit: That rock is not a fanservice. It acknowledges in a tiny way that showrunners can sometimes remember about the details.
I enjoy watching it but mostly because it is so strangely structured. I'm watching it because the utterly flawed creative process behind the show is more fascinating to me than the actual events on screen
Anyone else feel robbed when the concept art rolls at the end? The quality of it is SO much better than what the show adapts of it; almost like their budget couldn't translate it? I don't know, I just feel like I'm watching a different show than seasons 1 and 2 of The Mandalorian with The Book of Boba Fett's budget and directing. The vibes are off and everything feels.. cheap?
Season 3 is a complete dumpster fire. Nothing makes any sense, there is no main plot, there is no villain, the subplots are not organized in a logical way, the characters are dumb and boring, Grogu overstayed his welcome, Mando's character development from Season 2 has been undone, the sets are reused too many times, the acting is subpar, special effects are mediocre, there is no tension, there are no stakes and everything feels EXTREMELY LAZY AND POINTLESS. Maybe Andor spoiled me a little because it was phenomenal, but Season 3 is definitely the weakest one so far. Even Season 1 was more interesting. The only good thing so far is the fact I got to see Coruscant. That's it.
My big problem with The Mandalorian is that I simply don't know what it's supposed to be about. All the other shows seem to have a clear idea behind them, even if that idea is just "there should be a show about this character". But this show is about an original character, and one we still don't know that much about two and a half seasons in, and it seems to have no direction (especially with the news that they have no ending planned and just want to keep going). It's trying to be so many things at once: It's a low-stakes episodic adventure-of-the-week story about some dude wandering the galaxy doing random jobs, it's a saga about the Mandalorian culture and their struggles and politics, it's following up on a bunch of storylines from the animated shows, it's setting up multiple different spin-offs, it's one of the only canon pieces of media showing the setting and characters years after the original trilogy but before the sequels, it's setting up and explaining parts of the sequels' stories...It's got all these different things going on in it, but doesn't go into much depth with any of them, instead giving the impression of a show with a ton of stuff in it yet at the same time where nothing really happens, with no rhyme or reason and not really about anything in particular.
This season is so incompetently written and structured, I'm constantly amazed. For example, Episode 3 starts with a Din & Bo scene and then has a lengthy 40-minute-long detour where we follow doctor Pershing. I've seen a lot of great shows in my life so I naturally assumed that by the end of the episode, this plot would be somehow connected to Mando. I expected Din to get a call from the black guy on Navarro (I can't be bothered to remember his name) and get a contract to rescue doctor Pershing from the New Republic prison. Cuz you know... Din is a bounty hunter and this is the kind of exciting story we would expect, right? But it never happened! Not only did Episode 3 end with a Mando scene that's completely unrelated to doctor Pershing's story, Episode 4 went straight back to generic Mando adventure! WHY??? Why tf did they even have doctor Pershing's storyline in Episode 3 when they didn't go anywhere with it? Mando scenes in episode 3 could have easily been combined with the already short Episode 4. And then Episode 4 would be all about doctor Pershing. There was no reason to put Pershing in Episode 3. It feels RANDOM and unwarranted. These morons should have learned something from the showrunners of Andor! Good stories are structured in such a way that they don't waste time on BS. New characters and plots are introduced only when they are relevant to the story! That Grogu flashback from Episode 4 was also pointless. It was badly made and it served no purpose whatsoever. We haven't learned anything new or interesting, the flashback was irrelevant to the story and Grogu didn't even have a good reason to remember Order 66 at that specific moment. Again, it was RANDOM.
Yep. Things just kind of HAPPEN. No particular reason for it. The plot has absolutely no flow; it jump jarringly from one unrelated story to the next, sometimes spending a long time on things that are unrelated to what we've just seen. Episode 5 did a better job of tying things together (finally), and it was okay, but still had its problems. If they can manage to pull a little momentum from that, I'll be pleasantly surprised.
@@master_samwise I just saw Episode 5 and I didn't like it. It was definitely better than Episode 4 (cuz it's hard to be worse) but it was painfully predictable. I felt like I was watching a cheap 80s show for kids, except with fairly modern effects. Nothing in this show works for me. Dialogues were boring and felt like generic NPC lines from a video game, the acting was horrible, the sets felt cheap and uninspired and the direction was really off. Even the action scenes were boring and lacking tension. People stand in the open and there's some meaningless pew pew action where random pirates and a few faceless nameless Mandalorians die. I also find the pirates completely absurd. Sure, Star Wars always took inspiration from the real world but the original movies were much more subtle. This episode has a fkin pirate covered in seaweeds commanding a ship that has a literal helm! Oh, and there is a short pirate alien with a bandana and a literal warthog alien. It's so cheap and juvenile. I fully expected to see a wooden leg, a pirate hook and a barrel of grog. Like come on... It was so on the nose. Think about it this way... When Lando calls Han "an old pirate" in Empire Strikes Back, what do you picture? Cuz I always assumed pirates in Star Wars were just outlaws who attack cargo ships and steal stuff. Not that they are literally like stereotypical Pirates of the fkin Carribean XD Season 3 of Mando is officially as bad as the Book of Boba Fett. That show was equally ridiculous with the hipsters on colorful vespas and biker dogs that wear literal leather cuts with patches like fkin Sons of Anarchy. People who make these shows LACK IMAGINATION! Instead of creating characters and scenarios that feel true to Star Wars, they copy cliches from the real world and from other media. It all feels like a goofy ahh Disney World experience. These are the types of characters you would meet next to Mickey Mouse in a theme park, not in Star Wars. HOW DID IT COME TO THIS? Original 6 Star Wars movies by Lucas had such a rich and interesting world! It could be expanded in a million interesting ways! Fu**, there are literally hundreds of great books, comics and video games Disney could take inspiration from to show cool new stuff that feels like Star Wars. But instead we get cheap Disney nonsense that feels like it's taking place in a completely different universe than the original movies. The Clone Wars and The Bad Batch are literally 100 times better at worldbuilding and showing me real Star Wars. I'm currently watching Mando and Bad Batch and I feel like these 2 shows don't even belong to the same franchise.
@@master_samwise oh, and I want to point out another major flaw that is also present in Episode 5. THE WRITERS COMPLETELY DISREGARD HOW TIME WORKS! It's the same problem that plagued the final season of Game of Thrones! People just teleport all over the place in completely nonsensical time periods. Hyperspace travel is a very interesting part of Star Wars but those new SW projects completely ignore the established lore. It takes around 2 WEEKS to cross the entire galaxy. Jumps between planets can be quick if the planets are close but they often take many hours or even days! But what happens in the episode? Greef Karga sends a message to the Republic pilot who's stationed on some random planet that's in the middle of fkin nowhere. The pilot can't call the command for some reason and decides to PERSONALLY FLY TO CORUSCANT. Think about it! This mf learned about an emergency situation that needs immediate attention and he flew straight to the center of the galaxy from somewhere in the outer rim presumably. This should realistically take at least a few days! He then strolls to the command building (totally not in a hurry) and politely asks the commanding officer for PERMISSION to do something about the attack. He's denied, so he jumps back into his ship and travels ALL THE WAY BACK ACROSS THE GALAXY to this remote planet the Mandalorians are hiding on. The Mandalorians take their sweet time deliberating and they set out to help. But Nevarro is in the outer rim so it's bound to be a long fkin way from whatever planet they are on. So this journey should also take at least a few days. Meanwhile, the show acts as if the Mandalorians arrived the SAME DAY, mere hours after the attack. There is no indication at all about how much time has passed, not even a throwaway line! It's complete nonsense! P.S. I found it funny how Greef Karga went out to the desert that was like 1km outside of the town and could easily be targeted by the ship. And how he led about 50 people, despite the fact Nevarro was shown to be a pretty sizeable colony that would realistically house at least a few thousand inhabitants. Everything about this episode felt sloppy, amateurish and naive. There is no logic, no consistency and no common sense.
@@spartansquid5931 it was definitely better than the boring side quest to take a bath, but it also felt random af. We're in Season 3 and it's the first time ever that we had a POV character who's not Mando for an extended period of time. Andor had multiple POV characters that we would follow so it made sense when they introduced new ones but in The Mandalorian it felt out of place and weird.
i don't know if anyone has pointed out this obsurdity but, why do they give mandalorian kids helmets and tell them to never take it off. i would understand if it was a right of passage to earn the helmet only after they have come of age but as it stands it's almost conspicously dumb "have you removed your helmet?" yes i and litterally evereyone else has because we had to get a new one because our heads need to grow.
In episode 3 when Bail Organa goes to the Jedi temple to investigate what’s going a very young Jedi padawan literally is able to hold off more than a squad of Clone troopers. The 4 Jedi should’ve been like the great wall of China against the minuscule number of Clone troopers. That Padawan was able to hold a better stand than 4 Jedi Knights/ master. Even Ahmed Bests Jedi had awful choreography. He barely able to hold his own against a few Clone troopers with TWO lightsabers 💀 I really hate how weak and incompetent the Jedi are in canon. While in the old EU some were op the vast majority had the right power level for Jedi
Thank you for saving me some time. This is exactly what I was afraid we were going to get with this season, at least I don't need to spend a couple hours figuring it out on my own.
4:39 I just realized as the Jedi in front are dying, the one on the left with a green lightsaber rest the one weapon that cut through metal like paper on their leg lmao
This was my reaction after episode 4, but thankfully episode 5 was much better, and actually now introduced us to some plot pieces (Moff Gideon escaped/ someone rescued him/ Bo Katan is going to rally the other Mandalorians/ they’re going to retake Mandalore etc.) I actually now see some sort of direction the show is going in. Took awhile but at least we’re there now.
I like the direction we’re going in but for me this just feels way too abrupt and not earned. It just feels like sometimes character moments are just given to the characters automatically without seeing their struggle. Also the villain in this season sucks, Gorian Schard is soooooo bad and looks like a real cheap puppet whose mouth moves differently than he speaks. Feel like they spent all the budget on making Zeb look good.
Andor has completely killed Mando for me, I can't keep up with what's going on in Mando, no-one is relatable, if there are any character archs they are extremely hard to follow. Honestly this show looks and feels like watching Zena Warrior Princess/Hurcules/Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.
Yes! Those cheap 90s shows that we all thought were the distant past. Remember when the supranos and the wire ushered in a new golden era of high quality television? We seem to be past that now...
I didn’t really agree here but you still make incredible points and my main wonder is after seeing episode 5 is, why did it take so long to actually make a good amount of progress i mean we only have what 3 episodes of the season left how are they gonna wrap this up without any problems, if they were gonna have this much empty space in the episodes why didn’t they at least add another episode or 2 and while ive liked every episode so far these are just baffling discussions to me
The problem is that Grogu should have stayed with Luke. He have no place in The Mandalorian story any more. A good writer should know when is time to move on from a character.
I think grogu becoming a half Jedi slash Mando would be cool and it be going back to when a Mando was a part of the Jedi but in this case the Jedi becomes mando .
Could be cool... If baby Yoda was more than a prop. If he was learning to fight like Yoda and was functional in the world. They wrote themselves into a corner with his extremely slow aging stuff. He'll be an incapable baby for another 50 years.
Well, if you put the 2 Jedi with the lowest scores in the Jedi exam on the back line they are probably the ones who killed their comrades by ricocheting blaster shots off their backs
The show has always used this book and chapter nomenclature for the episodes. Every season there’s been episodes that don’t serve to advance the plot or the characters. A book shouldn’t have whole chapters that don’t serve the story. What really drives me crazy is the episode with Bo Katan and Din on the Walle type planet where everyone became reliant on droids. EVERYTHING that happened in that episode was completely meaningless up until we get to the big plot point of Bo becoming the ruler of Mandalore again. That’s such an important moment relegated to the last few minutes. We have an entire episode on Mandalore building up to this but it gets resolved in like 2 minutes.
Bro what are you talking about, books are full of entire chapters that do nothing for the story and some are just to introduce a character, or a place or something like that and do zero work for advancing the plot
4:10 No no you see Palpatine had cast his 4th Level "Force Occlusion" spell before enacting Order66, which prevented the Jedi from using their force-spells and deflecting the blaster bolts that they're otherwise completely competent at. There's No other explanation for such embarrassingly bad action. He foresaw all of this in his master plan!
The grogu training scene annoys me to hell, there's a really jarring cut right before he shoots the young mando (right after the jump) . I get its the limitations of the puppet, but come on
How badly are they really limited? Yoda walked, talked, jumped, and did all sorts of things... 40 years ago. Seems like they should easily be able to make Grogu an actual character, rather than a puppet with three facial expressions, but no...
@@master_samwise exactly, more reasons that grogu shouldn't be in s3 if they going to keep him stuck as the same. The show is mostly enjoyable for me until grogu comes to scene
Episode 5 is arguably the best in terms of all of out characters having goals that align in a somewhat logical way, and the action feels less stupid, I agree. I just still can't buy into the Mandalorian culture. It's so dull and inhuman
The training camp looks as serious as a bunch of high school kids partying at a lake (I miss those days!); only thing missing are the dirt bikes. How can it be taken seriously?
Feel like everybody kinda jumped the gun on Favreau and Filoni being the saviors of this franchise. I was willing to write Book of Boba Fett off as a fluke, but Mando season 3 is just as sloppily written if not maybe even a little more so far. Best show so far didn’t involve either of them and I quite like Bad Batch and Jennifer Corbett is the main person running that show.
Compared to the last 2 seasons, we really don’t have an end goal or strong plot to follow. You can tell they’re setting up something, especially with the most recent episode, but it’s all just been mid so far
They f*cked it up with the book of Boba Fett, Grogu shouldn't have been with Mando, he doesn't even feel as the main character now, Bo-Katan does The acting, the dialogue and story start to feel Goofy
The Mandalorian Season 3 was doomed as soon as Kathleen Kennedy fired Gina Carano. Disney meddled with Jon Favreau's vision for the series, and it's unsalvageable.
If I was writing the show I would make it so that the mandalorians CAN Remove their helmets when in company with each other alone. It doesn't really make sense that they can't show each other their faces. I get not showing the world what they look like. But, just as a practical matter, it's Ridiculous that even amongst themselves they can't. Like how exactly do they prevent intrusion? How hard would it be to kill a mandalorian who's by themselves and just enter their group? What's the control for that?? It seems like it would be the easiest thing in the world to infiltrate a convert. I guess they get really good at listening to each other's voices?! LOL 😆 Or at the VERY Least, Show that these helmets have the ability to scan into them and Mandos can SEE who's who using thermal or some other imagery. This writing is absurd!
Episode 3 was actually good (the second half anyway), I can't believe there's actually a character in the show now! It took 3 seasons, but an actual character in this show exists now. Thank you Dr Science Man. Then it went back to the regularly programmed nonsense. Seriously, if you've got Discord I'd love to discuss the writing in the show with you. I have a ridiculous amount of notes on the first season alone. This show is more broken than anyone seems to realize.
About the jedi at the temple. Yes, they suck at combat. The reason they are all on Coruscant and not out leading armies is because the vast majority of them are shit at combat. Instead they are scholars, mechanics, crafters, librarians etc that only have the most basic combat training and no experience. Also a bunch of older padawans (older teens, early 20's) which simply do not have the skill. With the exception of masters like Cin Drallig and the Temple Guards, pretty much no Jedi at the temple could do much against the clones.
I'm glad that someone is calling it out. S1&2 Mando had cool moments and it was interesting but nothing gripped me. I skipped S3 because I honestly lost interest in the story and its obvious that I made a good choice. After watching Andor and seeing just how great StarWars could be it basically made me uninterested in everything else.
This season feels more as The Book of Boba Fett, than The Mandalorian I don't know what, but something feels... wrong and different The problem is that it starts to feel as a parody, like what the hell is that pirate stuff??? It works in The Clone Wars, cuz look at the battle droids to begin with, the series is goofy, but it was stated like that since the beginning, and grew and got mature as long with Ahsoka The Mandalorian feels exactly the same, but... Backwards It started mature, and is turning into Power Rangers Book of Boba Fett gang Just remember the first episode of season 1, the menacing of the clones, Mando being a bad ass that talks the necessary, just remember the scene when he was ready to part once he delivered Grogu and without saying a word, he hesitated and decided to rescue him, it was just awesome Of course season 2 the cameos stole the show, but the show remained good But this season.... How many canyon battles we have see 3... It is also the second time we see Grogu with the order 66 At this point is more than clear that it is straight going to The Sequels, and instead of making The Sequels good, it seems is the opposite, The Mandalorian is becoming at the level of the Sequels, with goofy acting, stup!d jokes every scene, full of cliches, lot of action but not story I don't know, perhaps after seeing Andor, after seeing how good writing is, you just see things different Can you imagine when the Rebels were celebrating the defeat of The Empire at Endor... We would get this pirate plot??? Come on...
Really? This feels the exact same as the first two seasons of Mando. It was always this bad. Nonsense contradictory plot, cardboard cutout characters, awful action scenes pushed in 3x an episode for some reason. I'm still to this day baffled S1 is looked back on positively.
@@mewtwo.150 If you say so... I just think it's because you've seen more Mando than you did during S2. The formula gets weaker each time you watch it, you're on S3 now so the formula isn't working anymore, but it's the same it's always been. After watching S1 four times I was completely checked out by S2.
I hate to defend one thing, as the inconsistencies in the show really irk me too...the paintball splatter could easily have shifted due to the drape / stretch of the fabric over the physical puppet. Ask any cosplayer about the pain of applying anything evenly on fabric then comparing how it looks after wearing and moving.
Haha I'm sure there are plenty of reasons that could have happened. I just found it greatly amusing to think about them moving the paint/changing outfits because it looked too much like nipples at first.
It seems like the mandalorian is doing everything it can to crash and burn, this week's episode had some great action but had a lot of dumb moments like the first pointless 20 minutes.
I liked too, but it had some very stupid moments like when the republic pilot told the mandalorians he had an informant and right then revealed to them it who it was or when the mandos got ambushed when all they needed to do was fly out of the ambush
@@scarecrow6704 or the fact that in the battle the mandalorians despite having jetpacks never thought hey we'd have the advantage if we used the roof. Or hey they're setting up a big gun up there better shoot it before they have it setup but no they can't do that because as we all know if your off screen you can't move.
I just wanna say a thank you for these vids…I’ve been so conflicted with this season…being a hugs Mando fan…but it’s felt like BOBF and Kenobi….leaving me with such a bad taste, so thanks for taking the time to give it a proper intelligent analysis….I can use it to process my trauma 🤭🫣😅.
Season 3 has just been a complete children's cartoon a few visually stunning shots and that's it Total and complete show for a 3-year-old nothing makes sense all dialogue is exposition
I feel like this show is becoming kinda just the Star Wars fan service show and is trying to show us everything they think Star Wars fans will like in one show
There are way to remind the audience about what's happening without stating it outright. Maybe give the Mandalorians some advice about keeping spread out as they ascend. You can keep the audience informed without just saying facts.
@@master_samwise the fight in the latest episode has some of the same glaring errors. I thought they were supposed to be master warriors. It's pretty bad. I think I was spoiled with the writing from andor.
@@Sintonizarproductions Oh you mean how the warriors with jetpacks on their backs allowed themselves to get boxed in on a city street instead of taking to the skies or the roofs? Master tacticians, those Mandalorians.
bro im just confused like how do their jetpacks activate without them pressing a button like do they just turn on when they jump are they not allowed to jump
For the grapples. I assume they rock climbed it because if you were to grapple up something and have that grapple attached to your wrist. Youre gonna feel the force of your arm being stretched from it pulling you up. Then you gotta take in account the equipment the mandalorians have on them and the effect of gravity is too. Would probably pull something in their arms from the force going up and then weight of equipment and gravity force pulling down. So just climbing up it would most probably be easier to do without a risk of a pulled arm limb or something. Thats just my idea why they rock climbed instead of grapple pull
I had similar thoughts. There’s a number of explanations as for why they don’t do it. Maybe their armour is too heavy for the grappling motors (remember, in The Phantom Menace they didn’t really wear armour) or perhaps the motors would be too loud, thus alerting the bird. No explanation is given though, and that’s the problem. The fans shouldn’t need to come up with explanations of their own for the story to make sense - that’s just poor writing. Would it have been so hard to drop a line or two as to why they had to climb manually?
That's pretty normal to jump around like that.. They try to build steam.. then back off a little bit and explore something else.. It's basically like a breakdown in an instrumental. Seems the point was to build toward how Gideon is still around and is coming back in full force. I just didn't like how boring and predictable that whole episode was exploring the doctor and his research etc. As for other inconsistencies it all makes sense when you see it through a Disney pea-brain.. For example the pteradickhead bird probably just seemed like a good idea at the time as an excuse to give Bo-Katan and Jin a way to bond more with the Mando clan. It was also just another easy win for a woman where all the manliest men have failed. All those wackass Jedi dying was clearly just to try emphasizing how much of a badass whats his face was (imaginary Jedi Jar Jar) because they thought doing him "justice" like that would give them huge pats on the back. The only thing that really got to me about this season was that Bo-Katan and the Armorer never got butt naked to do the dirty while saying "this is the way".
What’s surprising is that ppl still think Disney can make anything original or interesting….. it’s about getting that money. Hasn’t it been a few decades since Disney made anything original (&mostly racist). Name their last big hit that was made in-house and not just purchased IP.
Imagine if they had the cojones to make it and episodic space western with no ties to anything and no overarching plot. Just ‘have gun will travel’ set in Star Wars. I’d eat that up
Season 3 relies too much on fanservice focused on Grogu and Mando being his dad. If that's the plot they prefer, then why didn't they just make these two remain in exile and move on with their life rather than return to their cult?
This show hasn't had a clear plot or any character development since season 1. Aside from The Last Jedi, Andor, and SW Visions, Disney Star Wars has been very safe (relying on nostalgia instead of trying anything new), boring, inconsistent, and mediocre.
The Episode itself was totally fine - enough action, enough world building, moving the plot forward and also a plot turn. But the plot turn that Bo shall unite the tribes was poorly executed - it felt rushed and inconsistent with the established story. Throughout 2 seasons we see how important and strict the Creed is for the Covert Cult from Din's perspective, spent the start of the season 3 with a spiritual redemption arc for Din (and Bo) and now went on to showing how Bo gets familiar and 'warm' with the Creed of the old ways - and 1 episode later the armorer changes her mind because Bo told her about the Mythosaur' - after she is the youngest member of the covert (in terms of when she joined) being with them for a short time and 1 adventure while Din faces 2 seasons of a strict creed-treatment (even with the darksaber) Another thing this season, i dont mind when the entire season isnt centered totally around the main character - focuses from time to time on other characters and world building to set up future plots - but this season it feels Din gets the Boba treatment of being a side character in his own show while the support characters run the show. After he went into the living waters, he basically returns to strict following the creed like before the end of S2 in terms of character devolpment, the main mandalorian plot curently plays out between the armorer and bo.
The plot is Lucasfilm continues downscaling the franchise and lowering the standards to make it little more than a marketing campaign to sell Disney+ subscriptions. You’re supposed to forget that Star Wars used to be Oscar-calibre and Han Solo was a drug smuggler.
i also rlly hate how they constantly resuse the same sets and locations in the same episode and between episodes..its like they cant be bothered to create new cgi sets
I think there are a lot of good ideas in this season but it all feels rushed. I like the idea of Bo Katan becoming a major player in Mandalorian affairs again. The problem is that a lot of the writing is weak and feels like setup.
Remember when boba fett was just some interesting weirdo in a wider world of fantasy epic storytelling? Now we have 50 boba fett masks running around over explaining every possible dent and scratch. Modern starwars is TEDIOUS.
To be fair though , even one clone trooper is basically a top level Mandalorian without the armor advantage. At this level, most Jedi will lose, at any range, even if you took their armor away. Top Level Jedi usually have to train for this specifically or happen to already have a form that is good blaser deflection. You have to really dig into the Lore to get this though, but your average Jedi, even in groups with a slightly higher numbers advtange would be getting waxed by Clone Troopers esspially at range. To give an example, Jango Fet killed like 4+ Jedi with his bare hands in one go. However, your point still stands IMO, because you shouldn't have to do this level of digging and making connections etc. I bring this up to say that they CAN have this type of scence and have it work, but they need to set it up a bit more if they want to do it like this (and clean up other issues), OR just rework the scene so it's clear.
Agree with a lot of the complaints but having average jedi not being as good at blocking bolts doesn't bother me. And cutting to grogu to show how it affects him makes a lot of sense, the scene is all about him and what he went through
Purrgils / Zeb -> Pershin -> transition to the Birth of the First Order which is initiated by Thrawn and or Gideon (getting orders from the Emperor) -> Ahsoka series / Ezra Glad I could help you
Y’all deserve this tbh, signs were there from the start that this show was just a big long line of merchandising and padding to make sure the Star Wars brand got a little levity after TLJ, then TROS came and buried the hatchet. To keep supporting them and watching this mid crap shows them y’all contemplative and will never want more, the rat only see’s green and as long as it can leech it from some part of ya nostalgia it will. Shits embarrassing to know I once cared about this franchise. Now it’s the blind being led by the blindfolded.
Yeah, it's intellectually insulting. It looks like title is the only thing differentiating these shows anymore. Anything in this timeline is just live-action Clone Wars/Rebels now, with the same kids' show shallow level of sophistication put into the dialogue, narrative structure, and story. That's why it feels so clunky, what can pass in kid's animation doesn't always work in live-action. Subtextual, thematic, and tonal consistency is out the window, because why try when the gimmick of serialization will seduce people to keep tuning in. The most annoying thing is that the only constant through-line in all of it is the eventual justification of Palpatine's schlocky return in Episode 9.
Gotta say, I am well into adulthood and I watched Rebels and I've been watching The Clone Wars, and have enjoyed both animations far, far more than I'm enjoying Mando Season 3. I find the writing for the cartoons far more intelligent, logical and interesting. The Clone Wars has had episodes that were harrowing and heartbreaking, Rebels as well.
LOL What? stop it. The goal is to reclaim Mandalore and discovering the mystery of the sith.. I mean the Moff... who is connected to the sith.. So.. my previous statement still accurate. It's just star wars from another perspective.
Yes of course that's the goal. This episode just didn't service it well, if at all. The scene with the Pterodactyl could have taken place on Mandalore. The scene with Bo-Katan realizing how isolating The Way is could have taken place on Mandalore. If you're going to "world-build" (I would argue that injecting random monsters barely counts as world-building), why not do it on the planet anyone actually cares about? This episode could have been the Mandalorians beginning to realize the monumental task ahead of them, taking back their planet, but because we keep wasting time on other storylines (Pershing, pirates), it's taking forever to actually get there.
Is it true that Kennedy has completely taken over and Favreau has just zoomed out. What a horrible season. Season 2 ended on the highest o f high notes, then came The Book and now this mess. I smell foul play at Disney.
This garbage show is just one more assault from Disney against Lucas Star Wars fans.(Season 1 mediocrity aside) Disney has big problems in the way of producers, directors and upper management. Too much ideology and bad story writing. Do we have a lack of good-courageous writers and directors in Hollywood or do we have a lack of competent customer orientated, business' minded decision-makers. You decide.
Well, episode 5 was actually pretty decent, which just confuses me even more. They are capable of writing good episodes and scenes, they just do it so inconsistently. Everything in episode 5 had a purpose, whereas maybe 10% of this episode did. Bad Batch does the same thing and it drives me nuts. I hate not knowing whether or not a given week's episode is actually going to contribute to the story or be complete fluff. If you don't mind that, good on you, but it's just not for me.
I'll probably hold off on making more Mandalorian videos until after this season is over. Here's hoping it forms a coherent, solid story by the end.
Great review. Though I'd argue 2 minor points with you
1) It's not lack of confidence by the writers, they simply don't care (see John and Dave interview and how long The Baby Yoda Toy was training with Deepfake Luke as an example) as long as it has Starwars in the Title they know people will watch it.
This leads into number 2 ) "Running out of ideas" Did they actually have any new ideas. The show seemed to be nostalgia bait of a Boba Fett Cosplayer guy runs around with a baby Yoda toy going on video game side quests.
In S1, he's shooting up a load of Jawas and I thought the show was on Tatoonie until somone pointed out to me. No its another planet but the same.
That's all they rely on, Nostalgia bait
As far as ep 5 is concerned the unifying idea SHOULD have come from Bo, not the Armorer. It makes far more sense for Bo to come to this idea than her. It's like Bo's character fell out of her as soon as she joined the Way.
This show already has a bad run of giving it's characters actual character, having them talk to each other about their conflicting ideas, pasts and visions of the futures. Din is barely there as a person.
edit: oh and more New Republic incompetence. I hate it, I hate being reminded we're charging towards the sequel dreck.
I'm surprised you thought e5 was decent. For me it was a show packed full of action that, for me, felt completely flat and devoid of any impact, weight or tension. I totally agree with you about the scene with Bo at the campfire, but this is the only time in the whole series so far where the writers adhere to "show don't tell". We're constantly being reminded in direct exposition what's happening and why - why, for instance, did the Rebublic pilot at the end have to directly mention that he thought it was Mandalorians who broke out Gidean?!
I think its pretty obvious; Disney is rushing things
@@ruaidhrilumsden I was mostly just relieved that e5 actually had a plot. This is what happens with this show. One week's episode will really annoy me, and then the next week's episode won't be AS bad, and so I'll think it's okay. Is e5 actually good? No, not really, but it at least TRIED to do SOMETHING.
Watching this show after Andor. Everything feels terrible. Nothing compares
I hate to say this, but Andor doesn't deserve to be a part of Star Wars because the audience is just someone who needs to be told what toy to buy next and why. The quality of audience is remarkably different.
@@charlie7mason We don’t deserve Andor.
That’s still debatable, I felt only half of Andor was of high quality writing - Prison arc and the ISB scenes the rest were just too slow
@@mw4393 thats what makes it so good and unique, it feels deserving and satisfying when the arc is put together
Honestly? Andor is wasted on Star Wars. I wish Star Wars could be good. But it won't. Disney will make sure that it always stays shallow popcorn flick. So I'd rather have Andor be it's own brilliant sci Fi shows that goes for a few seasons than what will likely happen: fanservice crossovers and all this dragging it down to the level of other star wars content.
At the end of season 2 Din deliberately took his helmet off for Groogu and that was after spending time with Bo Katan and the less radical Mandalorians. It was poignant because it showed us how far his character has developed since season 1. But then he reverted back to the old ways off camera ,without any explanation why. And I have legit no idea why we spent almost an entire episode with two glorified extras from previous seasons and the writing in this last episode..... I have no words!
Yeah, I felt that season 1 and 2 was about Din growing away from the creed, and becoming less radical. But then he suddenly only cares about being back in the creed
I feel like we sort of have a reason for that: Kathleen Kennedy.
We know that she’s the reason Din gets pretty much two whole episodes centered around him in a show that was supposed to be about Boba Fett and that she wanted Din AND Grogu to be a part of it.
I feel like had this not have happened, we might have had an actual story on why Din suddenly gives a shit about the creed again (before you could at least infer that because Din had essentially lost his son, the only thing he had left was his cult, but now Din has his son. So what’s his reasoning now?), but most chances we had for that were sort of stripped away because of those two episodes in TBOBF.
Obviously though, that doesn’t give an excuse for the writers and why they’re still not providing adequate reasoning for why Din *still* wants to be in his cult. But yk, whatever ig
@@primroseprom I wish Kennedy was included in the latest round of Disney layoffs.
@@primroseprom Im just glad Andor exists. It's the only reason I give a shit about Star Wars at this point.
@@apeist She really has nothing to do with the creative decisions in Mando other than maybe to keep Baby Yoda around. Favreau has a lot of creative freedom here and season 3 had a lot of writing from George Lucas himself.
Also, Grogu’s “chest plate” is actually a rondel, which makes sense for him as it can serve many different positions as he grows up, unlike an actual breastplate that would have to be replaced
Oh, okay. Good to know!
Yeah except there’s no piece of mandalorian armor that even remotely represents a rondel, why are they giving him a set of medieval armor instead of something that actually looks mandalorian
@@thelastbrickbender2139 most mandalorians are human, and maybe when Grogu is fully grown he won’t wear a rondel anymore, it’s still better than constantly replacing a chest plate
@@elighcollier8110 they coulda just started with a pauldron then, besides it’s not like they’d constantly have to replace it, it’ll take him like a couple hundred years to fully grow
@@elighcollier8110 we haven't seen any alien species as mandalorians like in legends so far
Mando season 3 is a fever dream at this point. Seasons 1 & 2, for all their flaws, pushed a goal for Mando and Grogu that would definitely change their lives. There is so much (attempted at least) meaning in the ending of season 2 when Din removes the mask before letting Grogu go.
But naaah, can't have character progression that would kill what made our show successful, we need to just forget of all that so we can have the duo doing... something? for 5 more seasons. But then again I felt like Mando was getting milked already back in the Book of Boba Fett so it's not like I'm surprised.
Yep, Grogu and Mando together is a safety blanket they just couldn't let go of, and the show is suffering before it.
@master_samwise I honestly feel like its just a few individuals making these decisions... there isnt any way seasoned episodic directors like dave planned anything in s3. it honestly feels like there was an original plot, story, everything, and then it all got thrown out just so "haha funny baby yoda" can return, and everything else is some sort of half-assed attempt at salvaging the plot
Remember how in episode 3 bail pulls up on the Jedi temple and a Padawan goes toe to toe with the clones and after cutting down a decent number the Padawan is finally overwhelmed by clones and is gunned down. Meanwhile 4 Jedi vs a handful of clones and all of them are gunned down it's pathetic.
Kyle katarn... Kinda cool but definitely pure fan service.
I didn't really undestand why these were jedi knights instead of younglings,I think that even young obi wan can defeat these clones.
the worst mistake ever was bringing back baby yoda. he's barely even a character and was used more as a plot device in the past two seasons. now he's just there for marketing and to add filler laugh sections I guess. I have a feeling that this show would be a lot more focused on din if it hadn't been for disney forcing baby yoda back into the fold
The showrunners are completely incapable of achieving more than one thing at once. We have 'plot scenes', we have 'worldbuilding scenes' and we have 'character scenes'. They are NEVER intermingled. A single line of dialogue in Andor will often achieve more storytelling than 5 minutes of runtime in The Mandalorian
Damn you hit the nail on the head. This is why the show is so inconsistent.
@@master_samwise Remember how the entire plot of Andor dovetails from the very first scene? Every single event can be traced back to that moment where he is ambushed. Nothing in Mando is ever that clever.
For example, imagine if the first scene in Season 3 showed us Gideon working out some clever way he can break his way out of captivity. Then at the end of the episode, we get a stinger where he's just about to hatch his plan.
We can have some sort of through line showing him using his cunning and his lack of morals to escape, formulate a small band of die-hard imperial loyalists and THEN we can see Bo-Katan's chums go and fight and potentially kidnap and torture him as revenge for the glassing of Mandalore.
[Spoiler alert] instead, in episode 5 we just have 'oh shit, Gideon went missing, ah well lol, back to my 9-5 doing paperwork'
@@WrongIdeasChannel I think the Gideon escape aftermath was a great alternative to actually seeing the escape - and that dark dead-space shots were just dope. the subtle set up was there before. but the point with the inconsistent writing and dialogue issue even in this great part of the episode was also there - when its discovered Gideon is missing the scene could have been ended and it would be enough information, tension and open questions (for the cliffhanger effect) - but they added the beskar part - which still would have worked out - but this "you think the mandalorians took gideon" dialogue line was just this weak dialogue writing in which you point out obvious plot points in a unnatural way - the audience in S3 should be able alone to put together that discovered beskar would probably led the New Republic to the conclusion - without directly trying to tell it the audience via dialogue.
Thats the blessing and curse of Andor. It shows whats possible and how it should be - and afterward you see it in the other media how its not how it should be.
@@Philipp3022 Exactly. They genuinely think the audience are morons, or they KNOW most of the audience are on their phones while watching, which is why it's necessary to have these asinine lines to remind everyone of what is going on. It's a circular problem: make boring show -> people don't pay attention -> have to spend all your time spelling stuff out -> this makes the show boring.
Also I'm fine with no scenes to show us Gideon's escape, I just wanted the people in the new republic to actually take it seriously, instead of talking about it like there's light showers coming at 3pm
@@WrongIdeasChannel absolutly agree.
the problem with the New Republic is that in general i really like that the New Republic is a flawed incompetent burocracy like the Republic and the Empire as this makes the most sense, represents the core-political message of the prequels and also aligns most with what George Lucas once planned (but never realized, sadly).
but potraying incompetence requires good writing. incompetence needs to be balanced in an reasonable amount depending on the genre and compared to the competent cast. its a identical issue with how much plot-information you directly reveal via dialogue. if 50% of all new republic officials would act incompetent and naive the audience would realize that the new republic is overall vunerable because of incompetence and naivity - if 1 single pilot captain apparently is the only character who has competent moments and literally everybody else we saw hasnt (corruscant aristocrats, dr pershins burocrat boss, the doctor with the mind frayer, the assistant in the observer room of the mind frayer, the colonel, the officer in the comms at the end of the last episode) - its just not balanced.
I watched a video where Matt Stone and Trey Parker were talking about storytelling. They said that between each story beat you need to have 'therefore' or 'but' or 'because', and not 'and then'. Mandalorian/Disney star wars feels like a lot of 'and then'... mandalorians are shooting into the water...(?) and then a bird shows up... etc.
Because they are incompetent idiots... Works perfectly!
Bo Katan reminding the mandalorians on the mission of stuff they were already told actually made sense to me. From what I’ve learned from people in the military, they will constantly remind you about things you should already know, because stress makes your forget things, or do things automatically.
US military: we (Biden) just kinda forgot the people and equipment we left behind...
Trump: idiots
US military: if only i could've been reminded to exfil with the equipment and doggos we had...
I think you're being very kind to the writers here, and for me this part was particularly jarring.
It seems pretty clear that that line was not originally supposed to be in the show, and was added in retrospectively because, after shoehorning in Grogu's flashback, they realised it had been literally minutes since we were told what their plan was and, being Star Wars fans and thus idiots, we need to be reminded.
Otherwise why not have Bo Katan remind them whilst still on the ship, probably before or as they were landing? It just stinks of hastily overdubbed dialogue over footage that they already had.
@@ShishouDzukiZaManako you do know trump made the plan for leaving Afghanistan right? Like it was dumped in bidens lap and he had to make do with what he was given
@@ruaidhrilumsden that’s fair, it is awkward
@@ShishouDzukiZaManako incredibly weird making this political
Yeah definitely the dumbest thing for me is how the bird thing had the kid in its mouth for a whole day for some reason, like what was it doing? and he chokes him up completely clean, at least throw some gunk/slime on him
If we hadnt gotten Andor last year, I dont know if this stuff would have bothered me that much, considering the Mandalorian has never been as consistent as people laud it to be.
Honestly, I would like to return to Coruscant for more Dr. Pershing. The problem with this season is that there are no more side quests for Mando, so now most of the scenes in various episodes seem filler. Do not get me wrong, I really like Season 3, but at the same time I feel that showrunners wanted to set up something big, but didn't thought about the small things. And that's what makes watching this season different in a way.
Edit: That rock is not a fanservice. It acknowledges in a tiny way that showrunners can sometimes remember about the details.
The rock is probably also for efficiency. Modelling a whole load of coruscant landscapes is expensive, makes sense to reuse one for that short shot.
I enjoy watching it but mostly because it is so strangely structured. I'm watching it because the utterly flawed creative process behind the show is more fascinating to me than the actual events on screen
@@WrongIdeasChannelunfortunately thats about right lmfao, its like watching a really bad industrial accident, a morbid spectacle
Anyone else feel robbed when the concept art rolls at the end? The quality of it is SO much better than what the show adapts of it; almost like their budget couldn't translate it? I don't know, I just feel like I'm watching a different show than seasons 1 and 2 of The Mandalorian with The Book of Boba Fett's budget and directing. The vibes are off and everything feels.. cheap?
Yet still we watch. I am more disappointed in me than the writers.
That's one way to put it. Another way is 'they're going to make money anyway, why not take risks and actually make it good'?
Just don’t watch it.
@@lembitmoislane. Or wait until it's available 'elsewhere'.
I just watch these videos tearing it down. Much more rewarding!
Season 3 is a complete dumpster fire. Nothing makes any sense, there is no main plot, there is no villain, the subplots are not organized in a logical way, the characters are dumb and boring, Grogu overstayed his welcome, Mando's character development from Season 2 has been undone, the sets are reused too many times, the acting is subpar, special effects are mediocre, there is no tension, there are no stakes and everything feels EXTREMELY LAZY AND POINTLESS. Maybe Andor spoiled me a little because it was phenomenal, but Season 3 is definitely the weakest one so far. Even Season 1 was more interesting. The only good thing so far is the fact I got to see Coruscant. That's it.
you missed the part which the kid stay dry even though he spent all night inside the dinosaur mouth or stomach 😂
Alr this is just a nitpick
@@antonn.mp4 it's not, it's just bad writing
@@scarecrow6704 be fr
My big problem with The Mandalorian is that I simply don't know what it's supposed to be about. All the other shows seem to have a clear idea behind them, even if that idea is just "there should be a show about this character". But this show is about an original character, and one we still don't know that much about two and a half seasons in, and it seems to have no direction (especially with the news that they have no ending planned and just want to keep going). It's trying to be so many things at once: It's a low-stakes episodic adventure-of-the-week story about some dude wandering the galaxy doing random jobs, it's a saga about the Mandalorian culture and their struggles and politics, it's following up on a bunch of storylines from the animated shows, it's setting up multiple different spin-offs, it's one of the only canon pieces of media showing the setting and characters years after the original trilogy but before the sequels, it's setting up and explaining parts of the sequels' stories...It's got all these different things going on in it, but doesn't go into much depth with any of them, instead giving the impression of a show with a ton of stuff in it yet at the same time where nothing really happens, with no rhyme or reason and not really about anything in particular.
This season is so incompetently written and structured, I'm constantly amazed. For example, Episode 3 starts with a Din & Bo scene and then has a lengthy 40-minute-long detour where we follow doctor Pershing. I've seen a lot of great shows in my life so I naturally assumed that by the end of the episode, this plot would be somehow connected to Mando. I expected Din to get a call from the black guy on Navarro (I can't be bothered to remember his name) and get a contract to rescue doctor Pershing from the New Republic prison. Cuz you know... Din is a bounty hunter and this is the kind of exciting story we would expect, right? But it never happened! Not only did Episode 3 end with a Mando scene that's completely unrelated to doctor Pershing's story, Episode 4 went straight back to generic Mando adventure! WHY??? Why tf did they even have doctor Pershing's storyline in Episode 3 when they didn't go anywhere with it? Mando scenes in episode 3 could have easily been combined with the already short Episode 4. And then Episode 4 would be all about doctor Pershing. There was no reason to put Pershing in Episode 3. It feels RANDOM and unwarranted. These morons should have learned something from the showrunners of Andor! Good stories are structured in such a way that they don't waste time on BS. New characters and plots are introduced only when they are relevant to the story!
That Grogu flashback from Episode 4 was also pointless. It was badly made and it served no purpose whatsoever. We haven't learned anything new or interesting, the flashback was irrelevant to the story and Grogu didn't even have a good reason to remember Order 66 at that specific moment. Again, it was RANDOM.
Yep. Things just kind of HAPPEN. No particular reason for it. The plot has absolutely no flow; it jump jarringly from one unrelated story to the next, sometimes spending a long time on things that are unrelated to what we've just seen. Episode 5 did a better job of tying things together (finally), and it was okay, but still had its problems. If they can manage to pull a little momentum from that, I'll be pleasantly surprised.
@@master_samwise I just saw Episode 5 and I didn't like it. It was definitely better than Episode 4 (cuz it's hard to be worse) but it was painfully predictable. I felt like I was watching a cheap 80s show for kids, except with fairly modern effects. Nothing in this show works for me. Dialogues were boring and felt like generic NPC lines from a video game, the acting was horrible, the sets felt cheap and uninspired and the direction was really off. Even the action scenes were boring and lacking tension. People stand in the open and there's some meaningless pew pew action where random pirates and a few faceless nameless Mandalorians die.
I also find the pirates completely absurd. Sure, Star Wars always took inspiration from the real world but the original movies were much more subtle. This episode has a fkin pirate covered in seaweeds commanding a ship that has a literal helm! Oh, and there is a short pirate alien with a bandana and a literal warthog alien. It's so cheap and juvenile. I fully expected to see a wooden leg, a pirate hook and a barrel of grog. Like come on... It was so on the nose. Think about it this way... When Lando calls Han "an old pirate" in Empire Strikes Back, what do you picture? Cuz I always assumed pirates in Star Wars were just outlaws who attack cargo ships and steal stuff. Not that they are literally like stereotypical Pirates of the fkin Carribean XD
Season 3 of Mando is officially as bad as the Book of Boba Fett. That show was equally ridiculous with the hipsters on colorful vespas and biker dogs that wear literal leather cuts with patches like fkin Sons of Anarchy. People who make these shows LACK IMAGINATION! Instead of creating characters and scenarios that feel true to Star Wars, they copy cliches from the real world and from other media. It all feels like a goofy ahh Disney World experience. These are the types of characters you would meet next to Mickey Mouse in a theme park, not in Star Wars.
HOW DID IT COME TO THIS? Original 6 Star Wars movies by Lucas had such a rich and interesting world! It could be expanded in a million interesting ways! Fu**, there are literally hundreds of great books, comics and video games Disney could take inspiration from to show cool new stuff that feels like Star Wars. But instead we get cheap Disney nonsense that feels like it's taking place in a completely different universe than the original movies. The Clone Wars and The Bad Batch are literally 100 times better at worldbuilding and showing me real Star Wars. I'm currently watching Mando and Bad Batch and I feel like these 2 shows don't even belong to the same franchise.
@@master_samwise oh, and I want to point out another major flaw that is also present in Episode 5. THE WRITERS COMPLETELY DISREGARD HOW TIME WORKS! It's the same problem that plagued the final season of Game of Thrones! People just teleport all over the place in completely nonsensical time periods.
Hyperspace travel is a very interesting part of Star Wars but those new SW projects completely ignore the established lore. It takes around 2 WEEKS to cross the entire galaxy. Jumps between planets can be quick if the planets are close but they often take many hours or even days! But what happens in the episode? Greef Karga sends a message to the Republic pilot who's stationed on some random planet that's in the middle of fkin nowhere. The pilot can't call the command for some reason and decides to PERSONALLY FLY TO CORUSCANT. Think about it! This mf learned about an emergency situation that needs immediate attention and he flew straight to the center of the galaxy from somewhere in the outer rim presumably. This should realistically take at least a few days! He then strolls to the command building (totally not in a hurry) and politely asks the commanding officer for PERMISSION to do something about the attack. He's denied, so he jumps back into his ship and travels ALL THE WAY BACK ACROSS THE GALAXY to this remote planet the Mandalorians are hiding on. The Mandalorians take their sweet time deliberating and they set out to help. But Nevarro is in the outer rim so it's bound to be a long fkin way from whatever planet they are on. So this journey should also take at least a few days. Meanwhile, the show acts as if the Mandalorians arrived the SAME DAY, mere hours after the attack. There is no indication at all about how much time has passed, not even a throwaway line! It's complete nonsense!
P.S. I found it funny how Greef Karga went out to the desert that was like 1km outside of the town and could easily be targeted by the ship. And how he led about 50 people, despite the fact Nevarro was shown to be a pretty sizeable colony that would realistically house at least a few thousand inhabitants.
Everything about this episode felt sloppy, amateurish and naive. There is no logic, no consistency and no common sense.
Ironic that the Pershing bit was so disconnected from Mando that it turned into the only part of the show that wasn't nonsense.
@@spartansquid5931 it was definitely better than the boring side quest to take a bath, but it also felt random af. We're in Season 3 and it's the first time ever that we had a POV character who's not Mando for an extended period of time. Andor had multiple POV characters that we would follow so it made sense when they introduced new ones but in The Mandalorian it felt out of place and weird.
i don't know if anyone has pointed out this obsurdity but, why do they give mandalorian kids helmets and tell them to never take it off.
i would understand if it was a right of passage to earn the helmet only after they have come of age but as it stands it's almost conspicously dumb "have you removed your helmet?" yes i and litterally evereyone else has because we had to get a new one because our heads need to grow.
It's not a question of removing the helmet, it's a question of showing the face
And smelling HORRIBLE
In episode 3 when Bail Organa goes to the Jedi temple to investigate what’s going a very young Jedi padawan literally is able to hold off more than a squad of Clone troopers. The 4 Jedi should’ve been like the great wall of China against the minuscule number of Clone troopers. That Padawan was able to hold a better stand than 4 Jedi Knights/ master. Even Ahmed Bests Jedi had awful choreography. He barely able to hold his own against a few Clone troopers with TWO lightsabers 💀 I really hate how weak and incompetent the Jedi are in canon. While in the old EU some were op the vast majority had the right power level for Jedi
Thank you for saving me some time. This is exactly what I was afraid we were going to get with this season, at least I don't need to spend a couple hours figuring it out on my own.
4:39 I just realized as the Jedi in front are dying, the one on the left with a green lightsaber rest the one weapon that cut through metal like paper on their leg lmao
4 jedis lost against 4 clones and one shot from behind the smoke.
This was my reaction after episode 4, but thankfully episode 5 was much better, and actually now introduced us to some plot pieces (Moff Gideon escaped/ someone rescued him/ Bo Katan is going to rally the other Mandalorians/ they’re going to retake Mandalore etc.) I actually now see some sort of direction the show is going in. Took awhile but at least we’re there now.
I like the direction we’re going in but for me this just feels way too abrupt and not earned. It just feels like sometimes character moments are just given to the characters automatically without seeing their struggle. Also the villain in this season sucks, Gorian Schard is soooooo bad and looks like a real cheap puppet whose mouth moves differently than he speaks. Feel like they spent all the budget on making Zeb look good.
The funniest thing is that the very next Bad Batch episode shows the main characters using those self-retracting hooks.
Andor has completely killed Mando for me, I can't keep up with what's going on in Mando, no-one is relatable, if there are any character archs they are extremely hard to follow. Honestly this show looks and feels like watching Zena Warrior Princess/Hurcules/Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.
Yes! Those cheap 90s shows that we all thought were the distant past. Remember when the supranos and the wire ushered in a new golden era of high quality television? We seem to be past that now...
I didn’t really agree here but you still make incredible points and my main wonder is after seeing episode 5 is, why did it take so long to actually make a good amount of progress i mean we only have what 3 episodes of the season left how are they gonna wrap this up without any problems, if they were gonna have this much empty space in the episodes why didn’t they at least add another episode or 2 and while ive liked every episode so far these are just baffling discussions to me
I appreciate people that can disagree with someone and still admit they're making good points 👍
The problem is that Grogu should have stayed with Luke. He have no place in The Mandalorian story any more. A good writer should know when is time to move on from a character.
I think grogu becoming a half Jedi slash Mando would be cool and it be going back to when a Mando was a part of the Jedi but in this case the Jedi becomes mando .
Could be cool... If baby Yoda was more than a prop. If he was learning to fight like Yoda and was functional in the world. They wrote themselves into a corner with his extremely slow aging stuff. He'll be an incapable baby for another 50 years.
The problem is the writers know that. The corporate suits want the character to stay in so they sell more merch though
Well, if you put the 2 Jedi with the lowest scores in the Jedi exam on the back line they are probably the ones who killed their comrades by ricocheting blaster shots off their backs
LMAO
This hits the nail on the head with so many problems I have with this season
The show has always used this book and chapter nomenclature for the episodes. Every season there’s been episodes that don’t serve to advance the plot or the characters. A book shouldn’t have whole chapters that don’t serve the story. What really drives me crazy is the episode with Bo Katan and Din on the Walle type planet where everyone became reliant on droids. EVERYTHING that happened in that episode was completely meaningless up until we get to the big plot point of Bo becoming the ruler of Mandalore again. That’s such an important moment relegated to the last few minutes. We have an entire episode on Mandalore building up to this but it gets resolved in like 2 minutes.
Bro what are you talking about, books are full of entire chapters that do nothing for the story and some are just to introduce a character, or a place or something like that and do zero work for advancing the plot
4:10 No no you see Palpatine had cast his 4th Level "Force Occlusion" spell before enacting Order66, which prevented the Jedi from using their force-spells and deflecting the blaster bolts that they're otherwise completely competent at. There's No other explanation for such embarrassingly bad action. He foresaw all of this in his master plan!
The grogu training scene annoys me to hell, there's a really jarring cut right before he shoots the young mando (right after the jump) . I get its the limitations of the puppet, but come on
How badly are they really limited? Yoda walked, talked, jumped, and did all sorts of things... 40 years ago. Seems like they should easily be able to make Grogu an actual character, rather than a puppet with three facial expressions, but no...
@@master_samwise exactly, more reasons that grogu shouldn't be in s3 if they going to keep him stuck as the same. The show is mostly enjoyable for me until grogu comes to scene
Episode 5 literally ties all of that together
Episode 5 is arguably the best in terms of all of out characters having goals that align in a somewhat logical way, and the action feels less stupid, I agree. I just still can't buy into the Mandalorian culture. It's so dull and inhuman
And then episode 6 was terrible
The more I watch the show, the less I'm interested. I still don't understand why they would put Mando and Grogu back together.
The training camp looks as serious as a bunch of high school kids partying at a lake (I miss those days!); only thing missing are the dirt bikes. How can it be taken seriously?
Feel like everybody kinda jumped the gun on Favreau and Filoni being the saviors of this franchise. I was willing to write Book of Boba Fett off as a fluke, but Mando season 3 is just as sloppily written if not maybe even a little more so far. Best show so far didn’t involve either of them and I quite like Bad Batch and Jennifer Corbett is the main person running that show.
Compared to the last 2 seasons, we really don’t have an end goal or strong plot to follow. You can tell they’re setting up something, especially with the most recent episode, but it’s all just been mid so far
They f*cked it up with the book of Boba Fett, Grogu shouldn't have been with Mando, he doesn't even feel as the main character now, Bo-Katan does
The acting, the dialogue and story start to feel Goofy
Exactly. It’s *disney* Star Wars now
7:51 "Getting back to the main plot, if you can call it that" LMAO 😂
and im being told i am a toxic fan when i say i dont like disney handling star wars... For every good thing they create they make 10 craps.
you said Grogu is almost like a puppet and to be honest I thought that was rather generous. He’s more mascot than anything.
The Mandalorian Season 3 was doomed as soon as Kathleen Kennedy fired Gina Carano. Disney meddled with Jon Favreau's vision for the series, and it's unsalvageable.
It was a good run for two seasons, show ends when Grogu goes away with Luke
If I was writing the show I would make it so that the mandalorians CAN Remove their helmets when in company with each other alone.
It doesn't really make sense that they can't show each other their faces.
I get not showing the world what they look like. But, just as a practical matter, it's Ridiculous that even amongst themselves they can't.
Like how exactly do they prevent intrusion?
How hard would it be to kill a mandalorian who's by themselves and just enter their group?
What's the control for that??
It seems like it would be the easiest thing in the world to infiltrate a convert.
I guess they get really good at listening to each other's voices?!
LOL 😆
Or at the VERY Least, Show that these helmets have the ability to scan into them and Mandos can SEE who's who using thermal or some other imagery. This writing is absurd!
Not to mention, what happens when a Foundling outgrows a helmet? I don't think Beskar expands...
Well at least Ep 5 has a lot of cool bits to it. Still plenty awkward dialogue and weird pacing though. But hey, Zeb!
I appreciate your logical and respectful analysis of the issues with star wars even I myself have trouble putting into words.
The one good thing about season 3 is that it gave Jar Jar's actor a good moment as an apology for how he got treated. That's wholesome.
Episode 3 was actually good (the second half anyway), I can't believe there's actually a character in the show now! It took 3 seasons, but an actual character in this show exists now. Thank you Dr Science Man. Then it went back to the regularly programmed nonsense.
Seriously, if you've got Discord I'd love to discuss the writing in the show with you. I have a ridiculous amount of notes on the first season alone. This show is more broken than anyone seems to realize.
About the jedi at the temple.
Yes, they suck at combat. The reason they are all on Coruscant and not out leading armies is because the vast majority of them are shit at combat. Instead they are scholars, mechanics, crafters, librarians etc that only have the most basic combat training and no experience. Also a bunch of older padawans (older teens, early 20's) which simply do not have the skill.
With the exception of masters like Cin Drallig and the Temple Guards, pretty much no Jedi at the temple could do much against the clones.
I'm glad that someone is calling it out. S1&2 Mando had cool moments and it was interesting but nothing gripped me. I skipped S3 because I honestly lost interest in the story and its obvious that I made a good choice.
After watching Andor and seeing just how great StarWars could be it basically made me uninterested in everything else.
This season feels more as The Book of Boba Fett, than The Mandalorian
I don't know what, but something feels... wrong and different
The problem is that it starts to feel as a parody, like what the hell is that pirate stuff???
It works in The Clone Wars, cuz look at the battle droids to begin with, the series is goofy, but it was stated like that since the beginning, and grew and got mature as long with Ahsoka
The Mandalorian feels exactly the same, but... Backwards
It started mature, and is turning into Power Rangers Book of Boba Fett gang
Just remember the first episode of season 1, the menacing of the clones, Mando being a bad ass that talks the necessary, just remember the scene when he was ready to part once he delivered Grogu and without saying a word, he hesitated and decided to rescue him, it was just awesome
Of course season 2 the cameos stole the show, but the show remained good
But this season....
How many canyon battles we have see 3...
It is also the second time we see Grogu with the order 66
At this point is more than clear that it is straight going to The Sequels, and instead of making The Sequels good, it seems is the opposite, The Mandalorian is becoming at the level of the Sequels, with goofy acting, stup!d jokes every scene, full of cliches, lot of action but not story
I don't know, perhaps after seeing Andor, after seeing how good writing is, you just see things different
Can you imagine when the Rebels were celebrating the defeat of The Empire at Endor... We would get this pirate plot???
Come on...
Really? This feels the exact same as the first two seasons of Mando. It was always this bad. Nonsense contradictory plot, cardboard cutout characters, awful action scenes pushed in 3x an episode for some reason. I'm still to this day baffled S1 is looked back on positively.
@@spartansquid5931 It feels worse!!!
@@mewtwo.150 If you say so... I just think it's because you've seen more Mando than you did during S2. The formula gets weaker each time you watch it, you're on S3 now so the formula isn't working anymore, but it's the same it's always been. After watching S1 four times I was completely checked out by S2.
how shit was that pauldron if it just comes off...
I hate to defend one thing, as the inconsistencies in the show really irk me too...the paintball splatter could easily have shifted due to the drape / stretch of the fabric over the physical puppet. Ask any cosplayer about the pain of applying anything evenly on fabric then comparing how it looks after wearing and moving.
Haha I'm sure there are plenty of reasons that could have happened. I just found it greatly amusing to think about them moving the paint/changing outfits because it looked too much like nipples at first.
It seems like the mandalorian is doing everything it can to crash and burn, this week's episode had some great action but had a lot of dumb moments like the first pointless 20 minutes.
I liked too, but it had some very stupid moments like when the republic pilot told the mandalorians he had an informant and right then revealed to them it who it was or when the mandos got ambushed when all they needed to do was fly out of the ambush
@@scarecrow6704 or the fact that in the battle the mandalorians despite having jetpacks never thought hey we'd have the advantage if we used the roof. Or hey they're setting up a big gun up there better shoot it before they have it setup but no they can't do that because as we all know if your off screen you can't move.
I just wanna say a thank you for these vids…I’ve been so conflicted with this season…being a hugs Mando fan…but it’s felt like BOBF and Kenobi….leaving me with such a bad taste, so thanks for taking the time to give it a proper intelligent analysis….I can use it to process my trauma 🤭🫣😅.
Season 3 has just been a complete children's cartoon a few visually stunning shots and that's it Total and complete show for a 3-year-old nothing makes sense all dialogue is exposition
I feel like this show is becoming kinda just the Star Wars fan service show and is trying to show us everything they think Star Wars fans will like in one show
The answer to "training for what" is:
Training for Killing the sea! Seems impossible? That's the reason why they have to train.
"silly me, asking questions about logic" 😂 literally our country right now
Yes! Thank you, i hate all the exposition in these episodes. We need to go up this cliff. Like no way?
There are way to remind the audience about what's happening without stating it outright. Maybe give the Mandalorians some advice about keeping spread out as they ascend. You can keep the audience informed without just saying facts.
@@master_samwise the fight in the latest episode has some of the same glaring errors. I thought they were supposed to be master warriors. It's pretty bad. I think I was spoiled with the writing from andor.
@@Sintonizarproductions Oh you mean how the warriors with jetpacks on their backs allowed themselves to get boxed in on a city street instead of taking to the skies or the roofs? Master tacticians, those Mandalorians.
@Master Samwise major facepalms were had that day. You should do a comparison of the fight in the first season vs. the pirate fight.
bro im just confused like how do their jetpacks activate without them pressing a button like do they just turn on when they jump are they not allowed to jump
grogu needs a helmet before even chain mail armor wise
Kate Traviss‘ Mandalorians in the Expanded Universe, especially Legacy Era, are *so* much better than what Disney is doing.
For the grapples. I assume they rock climbed it because if you were to grapple up something and have that grapple attached to your wrist. Youre gonna feel the force of your arm being stretched from it pulling you up. Then you gotta take in account the equipment the mandalorians have on them and the effect of gravity is too. Would probably pull something in their arms from the force going up and then weight of equipment and gravity force pulling down. So just climbing up it would most probably be easier to do without a risk of a pulled arm limb or something. Thats just my idea why they rock climbed instead of grapple pull
Yeah I mean neat idea, but definitely not the case, even if it was, they could simply attach the rope somewhere else
I had similar thoughts. There’s a number of explanations as for why they don’t do it. Maybe their armour is too heavy for the grappling motors (remember, in The Phantom Menace they didn’t really wear armour) or perhaps the motors would be too loud, thus alerting the bird.
No explanation is given though, and that’s the problem. The fans shouldn’t need to come up with explanations of their own for the story to make sense - that’s just poor writing. Would it have been so hard to drop a line or two as to why they had to climb manually?
That's pretty normal to jump around like that.. They try to build steam.. then back off a little bit and explore something else.. It's basically like a breakdown in an instrumental. Seems the point was to build toward how Gideon is still around and is coming back in full force. I just didn't like how boring and predictable that whole episode was exploring the doctor and his research etc.
As for other inconsistencies it all makes sense when you see it through a Disney pea-brain.. For example the pteradickhead bird probably just seemed like a good idea at the time as an excuse to give Bo-Katan and Jin a way to bond more with the Mando clan. It was also just another easy win for a woman where all the manliest men have failed. All those wackass Jedi dying was clearly just to try emphasizing how much of a badass whats his face was (imaginary Jedi Jar Jar) because they thought doing him "justice" like that would give them huge pats on the back.
The only thing that really got to me about this season was that Bo-Katan and the Armorer never got butt naked to do the dirty while saying "this is the way".
The shows writing became really inconsistant. Sad, because Mandalorian has all the right cards. I hope they recover.
Became? It was shit from the first season onwards
What’s surprising is that ppl still think Disney can make anything original or interesting….. it’s about getting that money. Hasn’t it been a few decades since Disney made anything original (&mostly racist). Name their last big hit that was made in-house and not just purchased IP.
Imagine if they had the cojones to make it and episodic space western with no ties to anything and no overarching plot. Just ‘have gun will travel’ set in Star Wars. I’d eat that up
do other mandalorians just assume that any modifications to their helmets were done in a mirror to avoid breaking with the stupid ass way?
Season 3 relies too much on fanservice focused on Grogu and Mando being his dad. If that's the plot they prefer, then why didn't they just make these two remain in exile and move on with their life rather than return to their cult?
Yep. We are talking Obi Wan levels of super-stupid here.
This season was rough until the last episode.
This show hasn't had a clear plot or any character development since season 1. Aside from The Last Jedi, Andor, and SW Visions, Disney Star Wars has been very safe (relying on nostalgia instead of trying anything new), boring, inconsistent, and mediocre.
I would include Rogue One on that list of actually creative and good creations of Disney Star Wars.
The Episode itself was totally fine - enough action, enough world building, moving the plot forward and also a plot turn.
But the plot turn that Bo shall unite the tribes was poorly executed - it felt rushed and inconsistent with the established story. Throughout 2 seasons we see how important and strict the Creed is for the Covert Cult from Din's perspective, spent the start of the season 3 with a spiritual redemption arc for Din (and Bo) and now went on to showing how Bo gets familiar and 'warm' with the Creed of the old ways - and 1 episode later the armorer changes her mind because Bo told her about the Mythosaur' - after she is the youngest member of the covert (in terms of when she joined) being with them for a short time and 1 adventure while Din faces 2 seasons of a strict creed-treatment (even with the darksaber)
Another thing this season, i dont mind when the entire season isnt centered totally around the main character - focuses from time to time on other characters and world building to set up future plots - but this season it feels Din gets the Boba treatment of being a side character in his own show while the support characters run the show. After he went into the living waters, he basically returns to strict following the creed like before the end of S2 in terms of character devolpment, the main mandalorian plot curently plays out between the armorer and bo.
That’s just Star Wars, a kids franchise that people think it amazing because of nostalgia. That’s where the inconsistency comes from
The plot is Lucasfilm continues downscaling the franchise and lowering the standards to make it little more than a marketing campaign to sell Disney+ subscriptions.
You’re supposed to forget that Star Wars used to be Oscar-calibre and Han Solo was a drug smuggler.
Hey I have secret for you,
It’s been this bad the whole time.
Rewatch season one without the benefit of the doubt.
I've been meaning to do that... I'm just scared to at this point.
The shows been crap from the start. It’s a kids show.
New it was gonna be shit once baby product appeared and the fans fell for like catfish fall for chicken liver
i also rlly hate how they constantly resuse the same sets and locations in the same episode and between episodes..its like they cant be bothered to create new cgi sets
Now that the season is over, yeah the coruscant storyline feels like a waste of time
I think there are a lot of good ideas in this season but it all feels rushed. I like the idea of Bo Katan becoming a major player in Mandalorian affairs again. The problem is that a lot of the writing is weak and feels like setup.
Glad at least some people agree with me
Remember when boba fett was just some interesting weirdo in a wider world of fantasy epic storytelling?
Now we have 50 boba fett masks running around over explaining every possible dent and scratch.
Modern starwars is TEDIOUS.
To be fair though , even one clone trooper is basically a top level Mandalorian without the armor advantage. At this level, most Jedi will lose, at any range, even if you took their armor away. Top Level Jedi usually have to train for this specifically or happen to already have a form that is good blaser deflection. You have to really dig into the Lore to get this though, but your average Jedi, even in groups with a slightly higher numbers advtange would be getting waxed by Clone Troopers esspially at range. To give an example, Jango Fet killed like 4+ Jedi with his bare hands in one go. However, your point still stands IMO, because you shouldn't have to do this level of digging and making connections etc. I bring this up to say that they CAN have this type of scence and have it work, but they need to set it up a bit more if they want to do it like this (and clean up other issues), OR just rework the scene so it's clear.
I'm more entertained by people criticizing the show rather than watching it lmao
Agree with a lot of the complaints but having average jedi not being as good at blocking bolts doesn't bother me. And cutting to grogu to show how it affects him makes a lot of sense, the scene is all about him and what he went through
Purrgils / Zeb -> Pershin -> transition to the Birth of the First Order which is initiated by Thrawn and or Gideon (getting orders from the Emperor) -> Ahsoka series / Ezra
Glad I could help you
I'm glad you could too!
Y’all deserve this tbh, signs were there from the start that this show was just a big long line of merchandising and padding to make sure the Star Wars brand got a little levity after TLJ, then TROS came and buried the hatchet. To keep supporting them and watching this mid crap shows them y’all contemplative and will never want more, the rat only see’s green and as long as it can leech it from some part of ya nostalgia it will. Shits embarrassing to know I once cared about this franchise. Now it’s the blind being led by the blindfolded.
Yeah, it's intellectually insulting. It looks like title is the only thing differentiating these shows anymore. Anything in this timeline is just live-action Clone Wars/Rebels now, with the same kids' show shallow level of sophistication put into the dialogue, narrative structure, and story. That's why it feels so clunky, what can pass in kid's animation doesn't always work in live-action. Subtextual, thematic, and tonal consistency is out the window, because why try when the gimmick of serialization will seduce people to keep tuning in. The most annoying thing is that the only constant through-line in all of it is the eventual justification of Palpatine's schlocky return in Episode 9.
Gotta say, I am well into adulthood and I watched Rebels and I've been watching The Clone Wars, and have enjoyed both animations far, far more than I'm enjoying Mando Season 3. I find the writing for the cartoons far more intelligent, logical and interesting. The Clone Wars has had episodes that were harrowing and heartbreaking, Rebels as well.
LOL What? stop it. The goal is to reclaim Mandalore and discovering the mystery of the sith.. I mean the Moff... who is connected to the sith.. So.. my previous statement still accurate. It's just star wars from another perspective.
Yes of course that's the goal. This episode just didn't service it well, if at all. The scene with the Pterodactyl could have taken place on Mandalore. The scene with Bo-Katan realizing how isolating The Way is could have taken place on Mandalore. If you're going to "world-build" (I would argue that injecting random monsters barely counts as world-building), why not do it on the planet anyone actually cares about? This episode could have been the Mandalorians beginning to realize the monumental task ahead of them, taking back their planet, but because we keep wasting time on other storylines (Pershing, pirates), it's taking forever to actually get there.
I can't disagree with anything you said brother
Good points all around
Is it true that Kennedy has completely taken over and Favreau has just zoomed out.
What a horrible season.
Season 2 ended on the highest o f high notes, then came The Book and now this mess.
I smell foul play at Disney.
This garbage show is just one more assault from Disney against Lucas Star Wars fans.(Season 1 mediocrity aside) Disney has big problems in the way of producers, directors and upper management. Too much ideology and bad story writing. Do we have a lack of good-courageous writers and directors in Hollywood or do we have a lack of competent customer orientated, business' minded decision-makers. You decide.
Her name is Bo-Katan, not just Bo
At least I am not the only one who gets irritated by unnecessary making the characterisation of every faction goin for "stupid" plotcontrivance.
I almost couldnt bring myself to watch this episode and it was the last i saw. Didnt watch the last two episodes
i thougt i was the inly one
They're using mando S3 to fix the sequels 😢
Trying to fix something that is unrepairable