Plasma cutter: Try dropping the air pressure down until it stops popping, make sure your ground is good and lastly put a inline drier/filter. Should fix the issue
Hello John. I am Jacob Cichy im a big fan and i was showing my moms boyfriend the pt 4 of the chopper build (first road test) and i heard you mention something about wanting and old honda bobber?. I have a 1982 honda cm250. I do have the title, It runs but does not have a gas tank. I cant find one anywhere i figured you are the guy who would know how to weld one up and get this bike on the road again! Id love to see it on the channel let me know if you are interested. Thank you for your time
I love how all this small scale hot rodding stuff would translate over to full size cars no problem. The great part is how cheaply you can work on stuff this size. You can learn to do everything without spending a fortune. Then some day have the skill to do something full sized without having to learn the expensive way.
I’d be curious to see if an old smog pump (or two) from a late 80’s Chevy 350 would supply enough air to make a power difference if feared properly, essentially a poor mans supercharger for small engines.
George Rokosky didn’t they get like 3-5 more hp on a v8 I don’t remember but imagine a leaf blower on a tiny v twin (tiny compared to a v8) you might get a significant bost in power because your moving so little weight but idk
To judge the welding i will call it a draw because ike has the proper width but the beads are sorta jerky looking, john has nice smooth rolling beads but the weld is a little narrow and rounded which means the weld didnt penetrate quite as deep but both welds looks like they wont go anywhere anytime soon so both a good job, now put down the easy welder and pick up a SMAW stick welder and see what you really got lol
Ike's welds were the proper color. You both had nice even coverage, but one of those jobs looked a little bit over heated. Hint hint, it's the one that looked more blueish . But it's hard to say, because that could have been due to lighting or color correction. Ike's looked a little beefier as well.
Love the build!!! Can't wait to start building my mower been looking for a steering rack. Might be using that one. I have a 1986 roper rally I am using with a 22 hp. Vtwin Briggs
@@claytongowin9897 Are you sure that's it? My buddy has a cheapo and it sounds like a normal plasma cutter. It just won't cut anywhere near the thickness of material the box claims it will.
I say both welds looked good and strong. And once again great video and I'm dieing to see how the mower looks when it's done. Keep up the great work fellas
Cool. Carry ON Wayward Sun having Fun! Build you a Bolted BENCH so you can get off the Ground, and unbolt for the bench out of the way easily. Good Job guy's
Like the project, but you guys need to have another look at that steering geometry. You've got a big dose of anti-ackerman at the moment, and it will tend to understeer a like a pig without a lot of lateral load transfer. I'm sure the v twin will have enough grunt to get oversteer, but will be way more fun in the slow corners if done better. Good luck!
John and Ike ..try turning down the air on the cutter..it may make smoother cuts..that or it has moisture in the air line...but that's not important..ya'll are making the best decision to get rid of the transaxle for a live axle..don't forget to make a set of wheelie bars..cheers from Bama
Both because your friendship is building it not your ego's 😊😊😊😋 Not in the weight, sorry to say. But I'm loving it watching you two guys get after it!!!
Am I the only one that noticed they cut way too much off the frame? Then Ike stands on it and says "did I just bend it?" * rolls eyes * You should reinforce where you cut the huge holes / U shaped channels or you might have problems with it twisting and breaking when its up an running...
8:08 deed nuts lol. Y'all are awesome. Carefull with that rack, I used one off an EZgo golf cart for mine. Works almost too good. But when your used to fighting it anything you can do helps a lot.
I just love how you guys have a great Lincoln Electric welder and an absolute POS cheapy plasma torch.. it's like this big troll or something.. We had LE gear back when I was in high school, only time the plasma ever did what yours does is when it had water going through it or the ground wasn't hooked up right.
Both welds (would have) worked, Ike's is a Sunday go to meeting weld, Johns is a get it done nobody will see it weld... Many good points raised, study your geometries and what has to happen, it could save your butt, I know this thing will probably spend more time on its back wheels anyway so maybe outside of turning it around to do another wheelie, handling won't be much of a issue anyway.. (oh God why do I have a feeling this will be on the Grand Prix, maybe not it'll tear up some serious lawn) lol...... :D
Reminder of the basics of a plasma cutter, dont touch the material with the tip (1/8 inch gap is best). If you need to rest it on the piece use a guide rest torch tip. And always maintain the electrode.
Guys, you do a great job - Love every. single. video. But as a former CNC machinist, every time I see you drilling into metal without coolant/lubricant....well, I cry a little, that's all. Thumbs up, anyway, but #savethebits !! ;)
to get the steering right you gotta cut the iron that connects to the rack and pinion from the front axles, it should be angled towards center of the rear axle (oppositely for you, you gotta imagine/calculate as if the rear axle is in the front; since your rack and pinion is on the front side of the axles) do as i say and it will track nicely trough the wasteland, The Great Humungus has spoken!
Do not calculate it as the axle was in the front, this will induce more anti ackerman like they already have. the steering arm mounting points for a forward mounted rack should be further towards the wheel to stay in line with the rear axle's center point.
Great video guys it looks like you need to reinforce the front of the frame and also you will need to reinforce the rear of the frame when you install the new axle due to basically the frame is nothing more than glorified sheet metal lol keep up the good work guys
I really enjoy watching your videos! Why don’t you use Ackerman steering? Seems to be a fairly simple concept/application and should really help the steering plow. I don’t think I’ve seen many (if any) go kart builders talk about it in their videos.
Im always excited to see new content from you two i love that garage building and the best is everyone can afford that type of building and its the most fun you can get for the buck 👍🏻😎 btw that plasma cutter had some issues huh ?
I think where you cut the big holes in the frame , I would of Stuck a piece of angle iron inside of the frame and also on top of the frame since you are using the front part of the frame to hold your steering unit . You Don't seem to have ALOT of Frame left . you could still add a piece of 1" angle Iron to the top of the frame and take it back about 18" to get more support . Just a thought .
You guys should get a Honda Odyssey fr250 I just got one a week ago and did a 340cc snowmobile engine swap. It would be awesome to see an old school go kart like that done up by you guys. Mine is beastly
I am loving this build. I have the same mower but unfortunately it has the hydro trans in it. I need to swap it out and build it up. Just looks like a lot of fun.
Great video once again fellas. Since you're target is 50 hp for the monster mower please tell me it's gonna be another N.A. Build. A FAT TURBSKIE would really help hitting the goal. Maybe 2? What do ya say? Pull out all the stops ,go for broke and separate the MEN from the BOYS! Take the crown of custom built minibikes. Guaranteed to spank any other garages build on RUclips. FOR SURE. CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT'S NEXT. LATER DUDES
Y'all should make the axle as long as you can with out it looking funny so y'all can have it handle better since it will be wider and stuff yall are awesome keep up the good work guys plz
put the outer tie rods in the original holes and that should put your ackermans back in and it will turn better, you could make a outer tie rod sleeve then slot the hole and make it adjustable to be able to dial it in once it's up and running.
Ikes is a little better. Clean the paint off of the cut area before plasma cutting. That's a tiny unit and you need all the connectivity you can get. Steady and consistent is the name of the game in metal work.
Sorry ike, but i have to go with john on that weld. BUT, you do normally have the better welds, this one was just by looks, strength wise and quality of the weld, ike had the better weld, johns was just smoother
Don't you guys think that you should put some steel back where you cut away for the steering rack. As a matter of fact there is a lot of reinforcing you should be doing. That 670 has a lot of torque I'm thinking the frame needs some build-up to handle it.
Only think that i can say about your welds and plasma work, is clean the paint and rust off!!! Tryin to use a plasma or weld with paint still on the part produces poor results... i love all your guys' builds!!! Keep it up!!!
The plasma cuter is on the wrong setting on the front of the unit there shuld be a switch or a knob with what looks like the torch head with a dotted line or a solid line
i knew it looked a little compromised where John torched out the material for the steering rack. I didn't think you'd jump on it...the one weakened spot and bend it right on the worst possible place haha you found the weak link so maybe by the end of this video you guys address it .
Plasma cutter: Try dropping the air pressure down until it stops popping, make sure your ground is good and lastly put a inline drier/filter. Should fix the issue
Mark Thompson was bouta comment the same looks like way too much air pressure.
Was just about to say the same thing. My Miller is nice and smooth. Looks like too much pressure.
Also try removing any paint and or rust in the cutting area. Makes for a better ground.
Also check your dial on plasma see if it is on the right setting sounds intermediate not constant. Good show guys keep it up
I'm pretty sure it's from moisture in the air line.
With big V twin power, we needed to beef up the steering. This should do the trick! Think it'll wheelie?
CarsandCameras Maybe
Ike's looks better
Yes it will.
Hello John. I am Jacob Cichy im a big fan and i was showing my moms boyfriend the pt 4 of the chopper build (first road test) and i heard you mention something about wanting and old honda bobber?. I have a 1982 honda cm250. I do have the title, It runs but does not have a gas tank. I cant find one anywhere i figured you are the guy who would know how to weld one up and get this bike on the road again! Id love to see it on the channel let me know if you are interested. Thank you for your time
Put a turbo on it
Welds identical for the most part. The gold star will be awarded to the first one to figure out the plasma cutter. Do love your videos keep it up.
Ike's welds are better
jacques vella yup
agreed, looks like he got better penetration as well
God dang... I hope i'm not the only one reminded of "Home Improvement" by that build...
I love how all this small scale hot rodding stuff would translate over to full size cars no problem. The great part is how cheaply you can work on stuff this size. You can learn to do everything without spending a fortune. Then some day have the skill to do something full sized without having to learn the expensive way.
When 50HP ain't enough
*BOOOOOOOOOOOST*
I’d be curious to see if an old smog pump (or two) from a late 80’s Chevy 350 would supply enough air to make a power difference if feared properly, essentially a poor mans supercharger for small engines.
dude... they'll die a turbo vtwin is nuts !!
Jake Roadkill boosted a car with leaf blowers .
George Rokosky didn’t they get like 3-5 more hp on a v8 I don’t remember but imagine a leaf blower on a tiny v twin (tiny compared to a v8) you might get a significant bost in power because your moving so little weight but idk
Jakes Karts idk but it would take up a ton of space.
I always love seeing these notifications
They both look good
Logan Nichols yup
To judge the welding i will call it a draw because ike has the proper width but the beads are sorta jerky looking, john has nice smooth rolling beads but the weld is a little narrow and rounded which means the weld didnt penetrate quite as deep but both welds looks like they wont go anywhere anytime soon so both a good job, now put down the easy welder and pick up a SMAW stick welder and see what you really got lol
Ike's welds were the proper color. You both had nice even coverage, but one of those jobs looked a little bit over heated. Hint hint, it's the one that looked more blueish . But it's hard to say, because that could have been due to lighting or color correction. Ike's looked a little beefier as well.
Learning how to use a welder was the best thing to ever happen to me. Lol. It opens so many doors to making your own stuff!
Love the build!!! Can't wait to start building my mower been looking for a steering rack. Might be using that one. I have a 1986 roper rally I am using with a 22 hp. Vtwin Briggs
By far my favorite RUclips channel
This is way cooler than the drag rail!
John’s because it’s smaller so it won’t get in the way but it’s the same width so it’s just as strong 10/10 John!!!!
Lol Ike’s was better
Ikes weld looks stronger but yours looks nicer
Like the honesty with the screw-ups.
I gotta ask. Anyone else really annoyed by their plasma cutter? Seriously makes me cringe on the inside when I hear the "pulsing".
Somthings wrong with it?
Yes
@@michelebeck4311 yes look up plasma cutting videos and youll instantly notice the difference.
Dude Von Brostein it's the cheapest plasma cutter
@@claytongowin9897 Are you sure that's it? My buddy has a cheapo and it sounds like a normal plasma cutter. It just won't cut anywhere near the thickness of material the box claims it will.
I say both welds looked good and strong. And once again great video and I'm dieing to see how the mower looks when it's done. Keep up the great work fellas
Both of the Welds will work just Fine
Sorry I'm going with Ikes weld on this one! Looks better, cleaner, and stronger! But It'll be fine!
Cool. Carry ON Wayward Sun having Fun! Build you a Bolted BENCH so you can get off the Ground, and unbolt for the bench out of the way easily. Good Job guy's
Looking great! This will be more user friendly than the dragster even though the dragster is my favorite build.
"tighten down on Deez nuts 8:05
Lol I bet they had to cut right there because they couldn't keep straight face after the line.
Lol right when i heard i paused the vid and went straight to the comments
Got em! LOL
CameronOnTheDrums same lol
Khalil Stovall gat eem
needle is rising on the SICK-O-METER!!!!
I love however much this channel has grown and evolved! Great job guys!
Like the project, but you guys need to have another look at that steering geometry. You've got a big dose of anti-ackerman at the moment, and it will tend to understeer a like a pig without a lot of lateral load transfer. I'm sure the v twin will have enough grunt to get oversteer, but will be way more fun in the slow corners if done better. Good luck!
Another awesome build guys!
John and Ike ..try turning down the air on the cutter..it may make smoother cuts..that or it has moisture in the air line...but that's not important..ya'll are making the best decision to get rid of the transaxle for a live axle..don't forget to make a set of wheelie bars..cheers from Bama
It has water in it
Man I stuck I have to wait till next Monday
Lol great build guys
They're going to start a new racing mower class after this build! 670 unlimited class!
We need more ike's adventures!!!!
The worst part about Wednesday is having to wait till Monday again!
That steering is nice
“Tighten deez nuts” ha goteeem dang there building in go karts and stuff got so advanced I miss the “it’ll be fine moments”
Looks pretty sweet! As long as the welds hold that's all that counts... 😋
Another cool build ! Thanks for the 10% discount at Go Power Sports .
Thanks for watching
Both because your friendship is building it not your ego's 😊😊😊😋
Not in the weight, sorry to say. But I'm loving it watching you two guys get after it!!!
Am I the only one that noticed they cut way too much off the frame?
Then Ike stands on it and says "did I just bend it?" * rolls eyes *
You should reinforce where you cut the huge holes / U shaped channels or you might have problems with it twisting and breaking when its up an running...
There isn't any weight on that part of the frame, and we end up X bracing underneath as well.
Good to know you are bracing it, the corners are where it needs to be strong... Big triangular gussets in the corners underneath would work as well...
8:08 deed nuts lol. Y'all are awesome. Carefull with that rack, I used one off an EZgo golf cart for mine. Works almost too good. But when your used to fighting it anything you can do helps a lot.
I just love how you guys have a great Lincoln Electric welder and an absolute POS cheapy plasma torch.. it's like this big troll or something.. We had LE gear back when I was in high school, only time the plasma ever did what yours does is when it had water going through it or the ground wasn't hooked up right.
Both welds (would have) worked, Ike's is a Sunday go to meeting weld, Johns is a get it done nobody will see it weld... Many good points raised, study your geometries and what has to happen, it could save your butt, I know this thing will probably spend more time on its back wheels anyway so maybe outside of turning it around to do another wheelie, handling won't be much of a issue anyway.. (oh God why do I have a feeling this will be on the Grand Prix, maybe not it'll tear up some serious lawn) lol...... :D
Really cool seeing all the work that goes into these. Great stuff.
Oh boy do I love all the advertisements and product placements in this video
Ike’s is better but just by a hair
Yup
agreed, looks like he got better penetration as well
Welding is like sex. Looks don't matter as long as you have good penetration.
Good one!!
And plenty of lube!!
Yup
Jamie Buxton lol
A good place on the ground will do fine.
Ike’s weld looks better
Craig Boozer yup
Ike looks like Will Ferrell and sounds like Hank Hill. Love it lol!
Ikes Weld! But youre getting better and better, John. Both welds are pretty nice!
We need either longer videos or more of them. Forget sleep, more videos. Other guys do similar but not as entertaining.
Reminder of the basics of a plasma cutter, dont touch the material with the tip (1/8 inch gap is best). If you need to rest it on the piece use a guide rest torch tip. And always maintain the electrode.
Both your welds look fine. It'll be fine....
Get a spring tractor seat for those jumps, those landings can be hard on the back.
Guys, you do a great job - Love every. single. video. But as a former CNC machinist, every time I see you drilling into metal without coolant/lubricant....well, I cry a little, that's all. Thumbs up, anyway, but #savethebits !! ;)
The turning radius issue isn’t a weight problem, it’s an Ackerman issue. The inside wheel needs to turn tighter than the outside. Good luck!
to get the steering right you gotta cut the iron that connects to the rack and pinion from the front axles, it should be angled towards center of the rear axle (oppositely for you, you gotta imagine/calculate as if the rear axle is in the front; since your rack and pinion is on the front side of the axles) do as i say and it will track nicely trough the wasteland, The Great Humungus has spoken!
Do not calculate it as the axle was in the front, this will induce more anti ackerman like they already have. the steering arm mounting points for a forward mounted rack should be further towards the wheel to stay in line with the rear axle's center point.
Great video guys it looks like you need to reinforce the front of the frame and also you will need to reinforce the rear of the frame when you install the new axle due to basically the frame is nothing more than glorified sheet metal lol keep up the good work guys
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I really enjoy watching your videos!
Why don’t you use Ackerman steering? Seems to be a fairly simple concept/application and should really help the steering plow. I don’t think I’ve seen many (if any) go kart builders talk about it in their videos.
they have ackerman steering it's just setup wrong.
awesome! im planning to do a lawn mower project within 2 years to!
I wish y'all would do a 670 cc mini bike build!
Ike, more Model A ! PLEASE!!!
It doesn’t matter how the welds looks it matters how it holds
Lovin this build!
Im always excited to see new content from you two i love that garage building and the best is everyone can afford that type of building and its the most fun you can get for the buck 👍🏻😎 btw that plasma cutter had some issues huh ?
AWESOME VIDEO! For your next project after the mower you guys ought to build a predator 79cc converted bike!
If you boys ever tried a new plasma cutter you would toss that one out of a moving pick up! lol
I think where you cut the big holes in the frame , I would of Stuck a piece of angle iron inside of the frame and also on top of the frame since you are using the front part of the frame to hold your steering unit . You Don't seem to have ALOT of Frame left . you could still add a piece of 1" angle Iron to the top of the frame and take it back about 18" to get more support . Just a thought .
You guys should get a Honda Odyssey fr250 I just got one a week ago and did a 340cc snowmobile engine swap. It would be awesome to see an old school go kart like that done up by you guys. Mine is beastly
wanna know how to really make america great again.....building up boring machines into over powered beasts keep up these builds guys
You boys really need an air dryer and some new tips for that plasma torch.
I am loving this build. I have the same mower but unfortunately it has the hydro trans in it. I need to swap it out and build it up. Just looks like a lot of fun.
Up north we call it bolt in vs "unboltable". By the way , youalls play banjo around them parts ?
You might want to try decreasing the pressure a little but on the plasma cutter and drain the water out of the air compressor
Holy Crap dude... u guys butchered the shit out of that chassis. Good job all and all.
Nothing has ever looked so right.
Moving the rack behind the steering knuckle centerline (and flipping it) will improve your Ackerman Angle.
Great video once again fellas. Since you're target is 50 hp for the monster mower please tell me it's gonna be another N.A. Build. A FAT TURBSKIE would really help hitting the goal. Maybe 2? What do ya say? Pull out all the stops ,go for broke and separate the MEN from the BOYS! Take the crown of custom built minibikes. Guaranteed to spank any other garages build on RUclips. FOR SURE. CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT'S NEXT. LATER DUDES
Boff... i like the both of dem welds.
You gotta try the old triangle whip and puase weave. Strong and pretty
You can put weight in the front if needed. I think it looks 👍 guys.
Will ya look at that. Oh and both welds looked similar. One was just cleaner than the other
Best video in awhile really
Y'all should make the axle as long as you can with out it looking funny so y'all can have it handle better since it will be wider and stuff yall are awesome keep up the good work guys plz
put the outer tie rods in the original holes and that should put your ackermans back in and it will turn better, you could make a outer tie rod sleeve then slot the hole and make it adjustable to be able to dial it in once it's up and running.
Awesome guys love these videos!!!!
Looks amazing!
Team John all day!
Ikes is a little better. Clean the paint off of the cut area before plasma cutting. That's a tiny unit and you need all the connectivity you can get. Steady and consistent is the name of the game in metal work.
Sorry ike, but i have to go with john on that weld. BUT, you do normally have the better welds, this one was just by looks, strength wise and quality of the weld, ike had the better weld, johns was just smoother
Don't you guys think that you should put some steel back where you cut away for the steering rack. As a matter of fact there is a lot of reinforcing you should be doing. That 670 has a lot of torque I'm thinking the frame needs some build-up to handle it.
ACKERMANN ACKERMANN ACKERMANN!!!!! Sort the steering geometry out and it won’t push!!! 👍🏻👍🏻
Beef up the front of the frame and add some metal ballast plates to both make it look more like a tractor and take care of that understeering problem🖒
I too love to plasma torch steel in my shorts...:)
Looks awesome! Can't wait
Only think that i can say about your welds and plasma work, is clean the paint and rust off!!! Tryin to use a plasma or weld with paint still on the part produces poor results... i love all your guys' builds!!! Keep it up!!!
John You said "Tighten down on DEEZ NUTS"
The plasma cuter is on the wrong setting on the front of the unit there shuld be a switch or a knob with what looks like the torch head with a dotted line or a solid line
Ike’s welds win, I think you should make sure the frame is stiff enough
i knew it looked a little compromised where John torched out the material for the steering rack. I didn't think you'd jump on it...the one weakened spot and bend it right on the worst possible place haha you found the weak link so maybe by the end of this video you guys address it .