Indeed, I think it's a mix of better access to training swords for it, better protective equipment and also a generally willingness of more HEMA people to branch out into other weapons and styles. We have occasionally played around with montantes since the mid 2000's, but it is only recently that we feel we can do it justice for the reasons above.
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing I understand what you mean. In my region 90% of sword-enthusiasts stick to sword/axe and shield with some occasionally appearing spears. I wanted to learn Longsword for a long time but no one wanted to practice it. So some day I bought right out of a mood a greatsword (Where is the relation? There is none) and started experimenting on my own.
As the other reply says, it is indeed a flamberge blade, they were popular on many large two handed swords, though the profile can sometimes be found on a wide variety of other types too, such as rapiers, spadroons, broadswords etc. Black Fencer does also make a series of blades that have a similar style that yes are indeed intended to try and replicate sharp blades on contact, but these flamberge montantes are not for that purpose, but to represent an original blade profile.
The Black Fencer Montante Flamberge (V4) has a listed weight of 2200g, which would put it at the lower end of the accepted weight range for zweihanders (2-4kg).
They are within a realistic range of the originals yes, towards the lower end, though they are also towards the lower end of total length too, so very realistic yes.
We use steel swords for all other categories of swords, but it's simply too dangerous for this weapon. We own them, but only for drills. Martial arts use all sorts of training materials, a wide variety of training tools is a good thing, including padded foam swords as well.
We were in the Royal Armouries in Leeds handling originals just two weeks back funnily enough. These synthetic training versions are within the correct weight, balance and handling range of the originals. Have you tried training with montantes? These fencers are using real weight examples and not only are swinging them about in large rotational arcs but at the same time are pulling their blows to not injure their training partners, which takes even more strength with big beasts like these. Montantes are not nearly as heavy as most people think, the typical weight range for those used for actual fighting (rather than parade) was 2-4kg.
When two nobles ask their body guards to kill one another, they just sigh look at each-other with tired eyes and begin.
I really would like to spar Montante vs Montante one day. Fortunately my Flamberge arrives in the end of April so I can lend one out👍
As Jim Gordon said about the Batmobile "I've gotta get me one of those"
Good to see more people sparring with them! Have to bring mine along next time I'm down at AHF, see if we can get a bout in.
No one-handed thrust? *sad Di Grassi noises*
Montante seems to be the hot topic at the moment😊
I like this development very much to be honest ⚔️🖤
Indeed, I think it's a mix of better access to training swords for it, better protective equipment and also a generally willingness of more HEMA people to branch out into other weapons and styles. We have occasionally played around with montantes since the mid 2000's, but it is only recently that we feel we can do it justice for the reasons above.
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing I understand what you mean. In my region 90% of sword-enthusiasts stick to sword/axe and shield with some occasionally appearing spears. I wanted to learn Longsword for a long time but no one wanted to practice it. So some day I bought right out of a mood a greatsword (Where is the relation? There is none) and started experimenting on my own.
are the ridges on the blade to mimic a bind?
That style of blade is called a flamberge, and it existed on many different types of swords during that era so this is mimicking that.
As the other reply says, it is indeed a flamberge blade, they were popular on many large two handed swords, though the profile can sometimes be found on a wide variety of other types too, such as rapiers, spadroons, broadswords etc.
Black Fencer does also make a series of blades that have a similar style that yes are indeed intended to try and replicate sharp blades on contact, but these flamberge montantes are not for that purpose, but to represent an original blade profile.
I enjoy the Wu Tang arm patch
Love this! Great stuff guys. What do those sparring pieces weigh?
These ones are 2.2-2.3kg.
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencingexcellent! Thank you
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nice,
they show a lot off care and restaint. i did not have the opportunity to use one my self.
Do these fake swords have the same weight as the real ones?
The Black Fencer Montante Flamberge (V4) has a listed weight of 2200g, which would put it at the lower end of the accepted weight range for zweihanders (2-4kg).
Those swords weight 2.2kilos, a sword from regenyei of similar length might be around 2.5 kilos but some two handers go above 3kilos easy.
Lēoht Steren @@SirKanti1 Great thanks for your answers
They are within a realistic range of the originals yes, towards the lower end, though they are also towards the lower end of total length too, so very realistic yes.
I’m surprised neither of them did any half swording.
Fran does at 0:37 and spends several passes with the hand on the ricasso.
Fake swords? C'mon....people are gonna call this LARPING
We use steel swords for all other categories of swords, but it's simply too dangerous for this weapon. We own them, but only for drills. Martial arts use all sorts of training materials, a wide variety of training tools is a good thing, including padded foam swords as well.
lmao u wouldnt even be able to lift one of these real ones xd swinging them around like they are paper sticks xd
We were in the Royal Armouries in Leeds handling originals just two weeks back funnily enough. These synthetic training versions are within the correct weight, balance and handling range of the originals. Have you tried training with montantes? These fencers are using real weight examples and not only are swinging them about in large rotational arcs but at the same time are pulling their blows to not injure their training partners, which takes even more strength with big beasts like these. Montantes are not nearly as heavy as most people think, the typical weight range for those used for actual fighting (rather than parade) was 2-4kg.
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing no i havent xd thanks for the explanation :)