Yeah and the thing is, a lot of people just don't have enough time or energy to learn it. The Finals requires you to learn gameplay mechanics that seem apparently similar to other objective based games but end up getting that much more complex because of the dynamism of the game flow, usually players aren't given that much control over their objective in the way this game does so they don't know what to do with it and one bad choice can end up in losing a tournament, it requires a level of critical thinking skills that isn't common in shooters and a game sense that has never been expected of gamers. Embark needs to do some LoL style of optional tutorial matches and video guides because people aren't absorbing just how complex the game truly is, many of the intricacies of the game are only discovered deep into the learning curve or through youtube videos. This is a game that can be learned if you're passionate enough, but that probably needs to be taught to those who can't understand it, for this reason Embark needs to make advertisements that serve as a mission statement to let everyone know that The Finals is not an ordinary shooter and it doesn't play like one, they must wear the gameplay on their sleeves and show it with pride, help people know how to play like League did with their iconic youtube ads. Players don't like to feel their intelligence is insulted, but the industry simply wasn't ready for a game like this to drop. A lot of players do need a helping hand to get The Finals.
Absolute legend. I love your wording! I even think your ideas are awesome. I'll give you a pin! 😊 People not understanding how deep the game goes is what made me start making videos. It was too much to write or explain, so I just had to make a video, it did pretty well and now here I am lol!
Sheesh, what a long read. But I completely agree, and sadly I think a lot of people get hit in the ego when you tell them to straight up hit the range for a while before you decide how your setup works or what it's lacking.
Reddit is way worse than Discord when it comes to people moaning about nerfing, on the THE FINALS reddit server, almost every day I bet you that there will be a post saying to please nerf this weapon cause they died to it, without actually playing with it themselves and seeing that certain weapons in THE FINALS looks OP, but they require a lot of time to master and get good at
As a fps veteran who played shooters since Quake 2 and CS 1.6 times, this game is a godsend. I absolutely adore it. My friends, who haven't played as many shooters, they struggle from time to time to utilize the games sandbox to it's fullest. Im trying to teach them, but they are often hesistant to just jump in and play.
This game is incredibly difficult and demands a wide range of mechanical skills. You'd basically need to go to FPS-school to make The Finals easy to pick up. It has the TTK of TF2 and OW, the movement and small-team synergizing of Apex, the ability-juggling of OW AND the stronger recoil of CS or Val. On top of all this, the destruction mechanic adds an additional 5 layers of on-the-fly strategy, absolutely nuts. Games with skill ceilings like this live a long time, as long as they are given the love and support they need from the devs and the community.
Agreed, but thats what makes it fun. My multiplayer fps background is mostly Bungie Halo, BF and D2 with some CoD on the side. But I LOVE the refreshing nature of its sandbox and how it let's you approach problems in so many wierd ways that make every match and experience a wild ride. And that (to me) is FUN.
i pretty much agree with everything you said, but the cool thing about the game in general is that hidden difficulty. The ability to find multiple solutions to one problem is what makes the gameplay feel refreshing and like no match is the same
imo the biggest problem with ranked specifically is the third partying. If I just clutched a 1v3 defending the objective and then another team just runs in and finishes me off that's the most annoying thing in the game
I feel like your point about how the far ends of the skill spectrum are the ones leaving is actually so important, a lot of people dont see it as a spectrum and just think its 1 group or the other and it's really important to realize theres a ton of different people playing and a ton of reasons why each category of player would stay or go.
Let's gooo Appoh! Thank you for checking out the video! It's almost impossible to know, understand, and balance around everyone and every "variety" of player! Keep up the good work though. You're helping a lot of players understand the game!
In my experience, I have never played a game, where I recognize so many players are just so completely horrible at it. From literally the worst aim I've ever seen, to people making the most obvious worst decision, like trying to manually revive a teammate in the middle of fire. Then to hear that there's petitions to remove things like the turret and stun gun, blows my mind. The problem isn't that these players are awful, it's that they believe their opinion on the game is equally valid as someone who has spent far more time playing, who is much better. If all you do is complain about the game, stop playing it, the community won't miss you.
I literally had a experienced fps player friend who found it difficult to understand the gameplay loop and concluded the game as being bad and not fun as compared to cs2 and apex legends, he was an idiot not being able to adapt to something new and actually competitive
I think Thiixy was right on the money with this topic. Let Embark create a mode, or temporary rework, that turns the Finals into what Embark wanted originally. Personally, I think we would be happily surprised by what we would see. The current state of the game is heavily due to overwhelmingly negative feedback from both reddit and discord, and Embark wanting to make as many people happy as possible. So, I think it'd be fun. Even if it changes nothing in the long run or doesn't stick around.
One major thing I think Embark should consider adjusting is the end-round spawns, because the last 30 seconds of a round, most likely when your team respawns, you will spawn across the map or extremely far away to the point where you might as well give up because you can't reach the cashout in-time and you can't really even try and steal it, and I hate that so much, instead of spawning us far away, at least give us a chance to get to the cashout so we can do something, and I know people are going to say "Well, that is the challenge that your team will face and that is what makes you value your life at the last 30 seconds and adds to the tension", but I don't think it works well and I don't think spawning you across the map is a great punishment so you can't get to the cashout is not a great or fair punishment in my opinion
Personally, I think the spawning in ranked and non-ranked game modes should be the complete opposite. I know it sucks to be spawned super far away, but I personally feel like it's still too easy to just run up and grab free money. If it was consistent, at least you could prepare for it, and it'll add more value to things like sip, gateway, and even grapple. On the casual game modes, I definitely think people should spawn a lot closer.
I've been saying to my friends that nerfs and buffs aren't needed as much as people think, they are just too dumb to figure out counter plays or too lazy or mixture of both.
I will say that there has been a significant improvement since the new game mode, after people taste how annoying it is to be dead the whole match they play with teams better on all modes, at least my opinion
Personally, I love the complexity of the game, it's the reason I like it over a lot of other competitive shooters. However, I do understand that it can be relatively daunting for new people trying to enter the game.
I’ve put nearly 450 hours into the game since December 15th and I barely feel like I understand the flow, it’s so obvious when players are newer or aren’t trying to learn it past how to get kills, I feel like it’s over focused on. You don’t have to always chase down that last player on 25 health, they don’t have teammates and aren’t gunna push 3 people. just run to the next cash out, getting cash is the point not kills
My gollum Funko Pop is more invisible than the characters in this game with a supposed stealth ability because at least it doesn't make a bunch of buzzing noises.
I'm a long time FPS lover. For real, 50h of The Finals gameplay has improved my aim and movement in other FPS, too. More than 1000h in other FPS. When it comes to casual gamers, it's difficult yes, but anyone who played some FPS extensively should have no real problem getting used to the game's specific strats, movement etc. Especially for those who played the arena shooters back in the day. That said, The Finals is still on my top list and in the meantime I have about 300h of gameplay as a casual :D
dude finals players are absolutely braindead like the ultimate litmus test on whether or not someone is intelligent in the finals involves the following scenario: Gamemode, quick cash. Team A already made one cashout, and is currently about to secure the second cashout. No other teams have any cashouts. So the score is 1/0/0 (2 begin victory) Team A gets wiped. The cashout is available to steal. You begin stealing the cashout, this is the last window to begin stealing and if this is interrupted the game is over and team A wins. Team B for absolutely no reason charges in and prevents you from stealing. Thus ensuring that BOTH of you lose. When I see this happen I'm just in awe in how stupid people can be. Team B could have had a second chance at victory if they just let your team steal.
because people play for kd rather than objective..... sometimes the objective can be helping the other team steal... but people can't use this thing called brain xd
You gotta play ranked bro tbh. I stopped playing casual mostly because of this reason lol. It infuriates me. The downside of ranked is having to play the better team comps in order to get anywhere in general.
Buddy casual is the best you want it like this i want See dump players with sword and hammer and useless things useless plays what you Don.t want is tryh in casual you want full dia Team sweat in Casual you want the score be 100k$ Team A. / B,C,D >1000$ You want to be 0-10 in casual bc people want to sweat and try in casual? Bro chill its just casual.
I've seen so many clueless players it's not even funny. Although I'm surprised people don't intuitively understand the game's various mechanics and each class's roles based on loadouts, I guess majority of players aren't that used to variety of other games that they can understand Finals right away, especially since this game is free. As for nerfs, I think they really need to rework Light's Invisibility and Medium's APS Turret. Right now the most frustrating group to play against is 2 Medium & 3 Heavy, all spamming APS Turret & Shields. Even Glitch Grenade isn't enough due to APS Turret's extremely generous range.
I agree with you on cloak for light, it has seemed too inconsistent. The fact that people claim that it's the only way to prosper as a light in competitive bad. Due to the nature of how quick it is to kill an enemy without them being able to respond is very powerful. I almost believe that light should have a delay from when they are able to uncloak to when they are able to shoot, just to give the person being attacked time to react(Granted I did rip that idea straight from tf2, where it isn't as chaotic as the finals, but it does seem to work. maybe a decloak sound too?). Personally I feel like light is in an odd spot, where as a flanking/ambush class, non light mains(especially beginners) will be mad at the class for being overpowered, when they were simply outplayed, and light mains will be frustrated, when they were at a statistical disadvantage because they were facing a head on battle. This leads to both sides being angry. The problem is that since light has all the fun movement tech and high risk high reward gameplay, it attracts a large amount of the beginners to the class(more light players in casual, less light players in comp). Granted, I haven't played the game in a little while, and most of the opinions i have stated are from things I have heard online, digested through my own thought process. I do think this video is really well crafted, and covers the state of the game very well. I really enjoy the optimistic view from this, which is kind of an outlier. Good video!👍
yeah my argument has been that people just suck from the beginning lol. the subreddit it annoying too. most people who try to play light don’t understand how it’s supposed to be played and it’s true that they really never tell you. this game can’t really be taught, only learned. if you find yourself getting a lot of kills, but not winning, you have to switch up the play style. trying the same thing over and over and getting the same result while wanting something else is silly. it’s true that most people just don’t have the time to learn this game. it’s pretty evident in unranked.
Bank It is like tdm/sdm, still easy enough and balanced because you dont have to defend that much. Every class can win. If you need to defend a lot in any game mode. Heavy dominates gg. The last important nerf is RPG...
the only other game i can compare the finals is rocket league and its two different games completely but its true the movement and momentum is key is both games
After patch 26.0, it's been harder to rank up. I've been losing so many matches in a row. Play with random teammates is like playing rock, paper and scissor.
I feel like the matchmaking has been tightened up. It's been harder for sure but I would rather lose but learn a lot and get better than get a bunch of easy dubs. Keep up the grind though. You got this.
maybe change the game mode to another objective game mode people know and can get behind like search or capture the flag or something... bank it in theory sounds cool but with how hard the game already is giving the people a familiar game mode can lighten the path to higher levels
I am currently liking the relative simplicity of the new terminal attack (which is search) game mode, but I always end up going back to the cashout mode. I would love to see capture the flag!
I agree I notice a lot of people don't seem to quite "get" the game. They expect it to follow the standards set by the other popular shooters. Its really hard to get players to understand the nuances of your game when it has complexity that scales with understanding... I'm sure even a lot of the devs don't actually *understand* the game's deep mechanics as much as the most skilled players - thats the same with most games. Only time can tell really. Over time Embark will learn how to communicate the game to people, and people will just learn naturally that this is a game that is not like others. I really kinda worry about them adding stuff like TDM because, while you're right about it being able to help people practice, I wonder if it could just actually reinforce the wrong ideas on how the game is played. I mean how could players truly learn the unique aspects of The Finals in a gamemode that doesn't even take advantages of them? And if the gamemode DID take advantage of them, it may not be 'traditional' enough for those types of players to really stick around long enough. I'm sure they could manage it if they worked hard enough on it... but I personally think they should just lean harder into standing out against other games but somehow be more overt about it. Like let players know that this is NOT like your typical shooter and *thats why its so good*. The fresh gameplay is the strength of The Finals in my opinion.
you are right about many things, but unfortunately the biggest point ranked is not considered. Too complex for new players the cash management alone, there are too many random parameter spawns third party, teams will grief you out 3 teams vs 1 team, cash defend value is a joke for 120sec, the first 6min you can also go afk because the vaults are worth nothing. SBMM is too stupid to distinguish between SoloQ and duo player vs full stacked. As long as you don't play the game alone without disadvantages it won't have any success. I myself have played 700h and 2 accounts dia+ and all betas from cb1 to ob. i don't even want to know how shitty it is to start over and play ranked because you don't know anything and the bad matchmaking. And three stacks have an ultra-advantage in the game especially after all the weapon nerfs and 80% of the ability's reward team play. Embark won't realize that gunplay needs to take center stage until it's too late. Right now we're on the road to a shitty shild, abilities overwatch game, with 30000 abilities but with shitty feeling weapons!
I definitely agree that the gunplay should be tightened up, but I personally also like the heavy emphasis on team play and the "overwatch" feel. I just hope they can somehow make it a bit more intuitive.
I genuinely didn't even notice the stun gun was nerfed until I picked light back up and began using it. It's not often that I get stunned but the moment I began using it and frequently landing it, it became clear to me that I either MISREMEMBERED how it worked or it got changed.
I'm not a big fan of classic modes... I started playing the finals because of its original modes and with terminal attack, despite most of the mechanics are 100% The Finals, the game feels a lot more like CS2. In the end I don't want The Finals to adapt and fall under the umbrella of other shooters but I want it to be unique as it is now. It could be more friendly on casual players, but even if you give casuals a mode like DM how does it prevent pros from playing that mode and so still ruining the experience for causals? What I mean to say is that The finals rotates a lot more around team cordination compared to other competitive shooters. You can still get an Ace in CS2 or R6 but it is a lot harder even to win a 1v2 in the finals. I hope you see my point.
Stun was only so stronge because of cloak. I do feel like cloak was ruining light balance because there were too many synergies with it that were very strong. With cloak gone, the devs can buff other things in the light's tool kit and make the light playstyle more dynamic and interesting.
I agree. With cloak stun is significantly easier to use! I'm really curious if they will do anything with cloak in the future as I think the invis bomb is balanced, but I'm not a current fan of cloak.
First of all, I really enjoyed the video and your input on the game. Not only because I can agree with so much, but these kinds of videos for the game are really invaluable to the overall morale of the game and its playerbase. The game feels like its in a great place rn, and def deserves more attention from the fps community as a whole. The idea of a "meat-grinder" mode is a great idea for new/less skilled players, but i also think there needs to be a similar solution for the greater skilled players that are leaving. I think having more ranked game modes would help with this a lot. Ranked power shift, or terminal defense, where each gametype comes with its own rank separate from the other gamemodes would help a decent amount. I think back to Halo 3, how could get a different rank for each competitive playlist there, between swat, team slayer, team objective, etc.
I think cloak will be removed in Season 3 similar to recon in Season 2. My guess is they'll replace it with a prop hunt style cloak where you change into an object in the arena. Embark mentioned working on something like that in the AMA they did recently and I think its really likely given all the nerfs and discourse about how "unfair" it feels. With prop cloak you still get to be sneaky and ambush people out of nowhere, but with more counter play.
This game is so difficult because it is so different. In my friendship group ive noticed the guys coming from games like valorant, cs or cod are worse at the finals than my friends coming from Arma, Battlefield and tarkov, and its because the finals tests so many other skills than just aim. Even though the Cs/Val players are 100% better aim wise, they dont have the on the fly thinking, dynamism and improv skills other players have that are so crucial in the finals.
I've seen RB6S players slap at this game lol. Even the aim needed (tracking) isn't common in games like CS. You definitely have to be super adaptive on here!
I absolutely love this game. I love the skill ceiling/floor that there is. It takes some actual critical thinking to play thia game. Embark is listening to the community and they are actually trying to get this game in a state thats balanced and fair to play.
As someone with no background in shooters... This game is great! Theres plenty of weapons where it feels like im not expected to get 100% headshots (or that its not needed to be effective). Ive managed to climb to plat 3 with heavy grenade launcher and its honestly been super fun to learn all about this janky weapon and how to succeed with it. Genuinely dont think it needs too much changing to be an okay weapon. Like, make the ads have a laser line (if they could put the bounce in too, that would be great) since aiming down sights is genuinely useless on it. Would bring up the skill floor a lot imo, gives people a way to learn the arc way faster. And maybe just a slightly faster reload. I mentioned earlier that i dont play shooters, but i do play fighting games from time to time and i think that really helped with my mentality. Trying to avoid thoughts like "this is bullshit, its so unfair" and just thinking "What could i have done there?" Instead. Going for ceiling bounces instead of floor bounces against a dash light for example. Another part of this is sorta moving away from the easy out of it being my weapon/characters fault. Asking myself "Would i have died there with another weapon?" And "did i need to be in this situation?" And such is a great way to process and learn. Another fighting game mention... Nerfs! Nerfs are pretty important. Theres the occasional joke about if everything is broken, nothing is, but this doesnt typically hold true. Some things will universally be more broken than others. Furthermore, things that are "broken" typically feel awful on the recieving end, and people are far better at picking up on the negative side than the positioves of their own broken tools. Also, the buff never nerf mentality. I dislike it. Nerfs are a part of the game devs toolkit. They should be used. Back to the game itself... I do think the game might over favor heavy at the current moment. Heavy is seemingly a slow closer range class, but the game has several gamestates where you are forced into closer ranges (which is why sniper struggles, even if you know that the crouch hipfire reduction is pretty steep). Heavy additionally has great tools for staying alive - which is probably the most important aspect of the game.
Lmao, I agree with peoples IQ is low that end up leaving it. I've noticed that most Randoms that I talk to are in their late 20s mostly 30s. That tells me most people that leave are the younger crowd. Like the teens to early 20s.
I noticed The Finals had a relatively older player base too. I think it has a little bit to do with "us" being used to older games that would just throw you in there and expect you to figure it out and it's also a lot of old Battlefield fans on here.
The tdm training mode is such a good idea. Just have them throw you on whatever team in whatever match. Maybe have the servers stay open for a long time, make it the norm to come and go. Basically a public practice map.
Ok. I wasn't agreeing with you until what you said reminded me of the tdm in valorant. I believe the amount of weapon/ dynamics practice that you could get from that, as well as not rewarding you at all for playing it, is perfect for waiting in a lobby, trying out strats or checking your skill/warming up...
@@Solcres_Joa Exactly this! It could have a local in-lobby score, but nothing that would give you xp, rewards or challenges. Just a genuine casual mode.
100% I agree with the statement that this game presents itself as a casual run around, blow stuff up, pew pew COD/BF:BC mix up but in reality it's not. It's much closer to a game like Overwatch back in 2018, yeah you can run around and dps and take fights casually and maybe get a cashout etc but once you go up against an organised team all of a sudden it's totally overwhelming, you can barely get a kill, there's a heavy charging you down, a medium with a heal beam planted firmly in the heavies ass and maybe a lights popping up out of thin air bursting you down and you think "where's my own team, wtf are they doing? oh they're dead just like me, well GG". The game needs a casual mode not just for beginners to learn their own abilities but also for returning players to just jump into and have a few games without the pressure of objective based game modes with long respawns etc, I hope they add a TDM or DM mode at some point, it's un-inspired but it'd be healthy for the game overall I think
Isn't that what quickplay is for? Don't get me wrong, I've had that experience, and I live in quick play rather than comp, but I think the whole reason I play there, rather than in comp is that messing up, rage quitting (often sadfacts) or just warming up/testing builds out, is acceptable and ok.
@@Solcres_Joa I don't think there really is a quickplay. I was playing quick cash recently just to get a few quests done namely 'steal a cashout 15 times' (very annoying) and I went up against way more 3 stacks than in any other mode. Even a tiny amount of communication and team work can drastically change the flow of a match in the finals
@@ShootFirstNS Haha yeah that challenge was a tough one 😅. I mainly solo queue so I'm never sure of if I'm matching with stacks ( unless they share names, although I bet they could group via discord easily too), and I mean yeah, I completely agree on that last part. But, I'd say a lot of people don't play the "casual playlist" ( quick play) a lot because of ego and to not feel restricted by metas or worrying intensely about winning and loosing; plus I suppose it would be easier to style on new players/casuals (I intensely disapprove of this)...
I only stopped playing because the old maps are too boring to play in now . Only got the new map twice after 5 hours of play . Next season needs 2 more maps for sure
The balance changes are great, but they've been minor since the beginning of season 2. I am still annoyed with balance, probably because riot shield got nerfed 3 times this season. (the hell, embark!?) Most of these changes are not enough
The randoms are get in this game are wild … my objective score after each game is crazy and my combat score I get Atleast 30 kills a game in ranked while my random teammates do nothing it’s so frustrating. I don’t get mad either I try to teach them how to play but for some reasons randoms and teaching don’t go well they get butt hurt and mad even tho I’m not being rude then I get called the N word. I’m currently plat 3 pushing for that diamond
Yes. I have played it with some people I used to game with all the time and they don't like it because it isn't mindless. Between the longer ttk, classes, and objectives, people struggle to think on their feet. Bank it was always my favorite game mode, but power shift has grown on me a ton. Everytime i play the game i have so much fun.
It might be down to settings, but I feel like light cloak is extremely easy to see, especially since the cloaking sound is hella loud. When I hear that sound, I just calm down, look around, and usually a Light player will just be running head first into me and get beamed. The only situations where it's nearly as useful as it should be is in high intensity scenarios where you can't keep track of the invis players, like when you get 3rd partied. In a simple 3v3 cloak is really weak, and it only becomes weaker the higher in rank you get. That's why almost nobody ever plays light in high rank.
I hit diamond in both seasons so far. This is one of the most fun and frustrating games ive ever played. Its hard bringing my friends into the game that have no experience. Its so hard at first to be good at it.
The biggest problem with balancing the Finals is that hardcore play and casual play are completely different. In hardcore ranked no one plays light, but in casual play light dominates. It makes achieving balance for both playstyles impossible. So one part of your player base will always be frustrated.
True! It's a very difficult task but I think they'll figure it out. That's why I think the nerfs are needed for now so that they can see what exactly is happening. It sucks but I think it's better for the long haul.
the core of the game is fundamentally unbalanced, from classes, to allowing 3 of the same class, to weapons/ to map design of breakable everything/ to cashouts to being able to steal the cashout last minute and then be rewarded full for minimal time holding objective, abilities/ spawn zones/ cashout locations/ health and abilities they are all unbalanced, and they can't be balanced, the very concept of this game is unbalanced, no matter what changes they make the core gameplay itself is unbalanced, the whole core needs to scrapped and redone for any real balance to come. no matter what nerfs come its always pure unbalance, like shooting a rocket and directly impacting him when he turns the corner and doing less that 53 damage to him but 252 to myself.. pure balance, when you walk into a room and theres 3 turrets that shred 200 hp in half a second, balance, entire buildings collapsing in 2.2 seconds because a heavy decided to take out a single pillar on the bottom floor, not being able to change loadouts in ranked, can completely be countered with no counter play based on certain loadouts where you physically can't fight a team, you 100% lose every time no matter how you approach the situation, these are things that make the game not sustainable fuck the skill gap of lower and higher players, the games fundamentally unbalanced for people at the same level.
@@brianpancotto8829 I mean, except for the rpg comment and the sad comp situation (I blame meta mikes, where winning is absolutely everything). I want the game you just described...
I think it boils down to gadgets and specializations being added down the lines to do two things to balance both: give light more team utility and something that makes heavy more fun to play. The recent nerfs aren’t the real reason you don’t see light in high elo. It’s the simple fact that heal beam/ defib and/or shields offer more team utility currently and light offers nothing in terms of team survivability.
I think it's mostly because Light's util is gimmicky and mostly used for picks, while the other classes have util that's more team oriented and overall stronger.
Funny this video came on my feed today because just the other day I had my both school time friend download. I had some work to do so I arrived late but I was on discord listing they played a cashout T.attack mode and on my recommendation Power shift and thew out their play all I can hear them say "Woah what's happening and It's just too much stuff happening" I understand the first time POV of a new finals player, so when I did came we queued for T.attack 1 one of them just left like quite the same mode cause he didn't like it then we queued for Power shift which we lost (In Asian people don't open mic also the one that have brain already queues in stacks) so I was kinda doing 1v5 and we lost to be honest I was using light with combat knife which was bad idea for PS mode so half of the fault is mine as well, after that we played our last game with was cashout now at the point the friend to quit on Terminal attack was mad mad so I told him "brother all you gotta to do stay around me we protect eachother and we win ez fr" and his dumb az went for light picked sniper and sat on roof honestly this right here was a behaviour you expect from a random dude, OK so me a other buddie sticked with my plan we followed me to cash box we opened it took it to deposit put it in I had heavy built I used my goo gun sealed all ways and set mines at first no one came after a bit one team came and fall on trap it was a ez cash out but then idk what came into other buddie's mind he started following the Mr .Sniper even tho I clearly told him stuck with me I'll get you guys win then we lost. I'm sorry if it bit to late but bithe these dudes play Valorent every night even tho I don't like the game and the main reason is it's too long best of 12 rounds is so long then the other half holly crap. I'll be mature here I won't say stuff like Valorent is a UwU game made for kids who watch skibdi toilet I understand it's a game too also it took me 10-20 games to get use to it maybe I'm a slow lerner maybe somthing else but I do remember having no thought for the game then skip back to a week I was totally in love.
I'm sorry if my words is hard to understand my native language isn't English and in short what I was trying to say on the comment above is that the finals is a game you have give a little bit of your time and it's all worst it the finals and people who are behind it ate incridible.
In TF2, spies can freely go completely invisible in order to get instakills or ambush. This is balanced out by spies not being able to instantly go invisible or instantly leave invisibility and attack. It takes about a second to go invisible, a second to leave it, and it makes a sound cue. Spies become partially visible when they take damage or bump into someone. Much of the time, the spy got the kill because the enemies were distracted. There's actual counterplay. All the finals needs to do is to create a delay between leaving invis and being able to fight.
I have never seen such a crazy disparity of player intelligence than in this game. Granted, I come from semi-pro Overwatch, which is incredibly complex, but I'm not expecting people to be on that level. What I'm expecting is for people to not play this like CoD. It's ridiculous the amount of times I see people incapable of doing anything but shooting at the enemy. I actually think having more casual modes will harm the game. I think it's important for players to learn the complex mechanics of this game. That's what sbmm is for
It was a good thing they removed recon I was abusing tf out of it and I think everyone who was not on my team hated me and it wasn’t fair for them😂 I’m pretty happy with how the game is now I also think they should do something about the inconsistency of invis I have no problem with identifying the invis players most of the time but when they completely vanish from existence it can catch you off guard. I really hope they make changes for the better so it doesn’t discourage newer players to keep playing
Absolutely agree with everything said here! The immense difficulty of the finals is both a good and bad thing. As someone whos also really invested into the game i love studying all the complexities and macro and micro strats that go into a match, but at the same time they are a turnoff for newer players, even ones that are generally good at other games. I have a couple of friends that tryhard at every single game they touch and i keep telling them about the finals and sending them my clips but they just refuse to play because they feel like its not worth it to learn all of this for a game with "such a small player count", especially in the age we live in where everybody wanna be insane twitch streamer/esports pro with a huge audience fast. In its current state, even with the high skill ceiling the finals is just not esports ready imo. Even if embark do everything right it will take time for it to become big and challenge other games with similar levels of complexity like LoL for example.
Im surprised people find this game difficult. To me the game is straight forward and easy to understand. I am experienced in FPS games such as Valorant, Apex and COD. But the game is definitely way easier than Apex. Also I think many people just dont want to admit that players have just gotten better over the years. Because I dont really believe in sweats. Some people are just naturally good and theyre not even trying their best, but to others they think theyre 'sweating'. I love The Finals, to me is the most refreshing arcade shooter and mode (Cashout) I've played in years. I love the TTK and the dynamic destructible environments, it reminds me of Rainbow Six Siege. The only thing I hate about it is when I have to face a team that consists of 3 mediums, and each one has turrets 😐 I know the glitch grenade is the counter but they usually place the turrets far away from each other, so it doesnt really do much 🫠
I swear most "sweats" are eating a bag of chips and chilling lol. Apex was a bit easier for me imo. I think it's a bit more straightforward and "just survive." I was also a die-hard arenas fan, so pvp, for the most part, was a bit easier for me on there.
I think one of the most important and underrated factor for a competitive shooter to succeed is characters. For the past decade Overwatch, Apex Legends, Valorant succeeded to build their own playerbase while some games like Hyper Scape completely died despite having a good start. It's nearly impossible for games to have perfect balancing, so even when the developers are godlike there's gonna be a time where they struggle to make a fun meta for everyone(or the majority of people). I think this is where characters get handy. Even when the current patch is very mid or not good enough, people will still play the game if they have a character that represents their personality, play style, etc. If Apex Legends, Valorant, Overwatch, The Finals were struggling to make a good meta at the same time, people will go to play Wraith, Jett or Genji rather than playing Light or Medium. If a game publisher that doesn't have an OG brand like CoD or Counter Strike wants to make a live service shooter game, I definitely think they should make characters with unique personality's for their game if they wanna succeed in a long term. One single good patch isn't gonna be enough for The Finals to be great again imo.
No please, not another hero shooter. I like customizing my heavy, my lights or all my different mediums. I like having a loadout that is tailored to my specific needs. And I believe the fact that I can customize both for form as well as for function is part of The Finals' dna, in it's lore, it is literally a VR game. Why would I (the player) play as anyone else than who I want to be (and play like) that specific day?
@aidenb876 Yeah. That, to me, still doesn't sound better than customizing my character's appearance on each class and being able to easily dress up like the pyro (if I'd want to)...
Great video! Very interesting insight. My 2 cents on how embark could potentially balance the light class between casual and ranked would be to slow down the sword animation + fix the animation cancel bug, extend glitch grenade to last 8-10 sec, extend stun to 20m but retain the same stats applied as it is now, and give lights 50 more hp. This would effectively prevent the most toxic casual meta for light classes, but allow light to be a valuable pick in ranked, as light have so many crucial counters to the heavy classes absolutely dominant abilities in ranked, even with the stun gun nerf, but their hp is so low that they become a liability in ranked matches. To some degree they would become a slightly weaker medium, with faster movement, more capability to roam and gather intel, and have a better capacity to live and slow res teams preventing wipes and economy loss. Having a tighter max health window between all classes (200,250,350 for example) could make the game more enjoyable for both casual and ranked.
I think having a 200hp light would be a lot scarier and harder to kill than most people think. I definitely think light glitch still needs a little more help to make it a strong pick.
The only thing not mentioned about increasing the HP of light in this comment is the average ttk and dps they have on other classes due to their weapons. L also think light HP needs to go up a bit to maybe 175, but here is the thing to consider, when doing a HP increase like this they gotta increase the ttk of their weapons across the board,not by much though, and with those dps nerfs also increase sustain through reload speed buffs or mag size increases for most weapons, otherwise they are gonna be mega strong in 1v1s through cheer stats. If done wrong it can easily break the class. If done properly the class will have more Frontline presence, be less punished for bad line of sight usage and weaker at insta-deleting unaware enemies.
Yep great points regarding hp buff vs ttk nerfs. Having played counter strike for a very long time I’ve been trying to figure out why there is such difficulty balancing the weapons and classes between between ranked and casual in the finals, and I eventually landed on the HP disparity across the classes being one of the strongest differences between the finals and games like counter strike. Obviously in competitive tac shooters the Meta will eventually shift towards the highest dps while sacrificing HP as little as possible, increasing survivability. So I think the issue with light is that you are generally costing the team as a unit so much survivability in the moment of contact with another team, and replacing it with potential (non guaranteed) survivability by preventing team wipes if you are a good enough player. To make light desirable in general though embark needed to give light the highest effective dps values, which makes them so unbalanced in casual, and so difficult to preference in ranked due to their general inability to be safely involved in initial contact with other teams. So with that in mind I think at least one way to balance the preference picks for both game modes would be to increase HP, reduce ttk, and effectively turn them into a role which can counter heavy shields, and heal beaming, whilst be capable of gathering info. So effectively a slightly faster medium, which can more effectively deal more damage at range than the other classes, and have their abilities specced less for dps, and more for ability countering and info gathering
One final note about increasing every classes ttk to counter light having potentially more HP is that I think embark may be worried about reducing the games general ttk so that it turns into another CS, R6S, or Val, where all players can effectively die within 1 second. Even though I would love guns like the AKM and FCAR to be buffed by 2-3 damage per bullet to be able to compete with the a higher HP light class, I think that would potentially be going against what embark envision for the play style of the game. A better solution might be to generally nerf the ttk of the light class, AND nerf the TTK of the Lewis gun by 1 or 2 damage so that the AKM and FCAR are not as bad as they feel now against heavies. A balance like this for weapons across all classes would definitely put more emphasis on the users skill with utility, abilities, and individual/team position to win out fights faster, instead of pure aim winning duals.
Smooth brain Valorant and CoD players can't handle anything more complex than variants on deathmatch. Even in siege people barely even plant and only go for kills.
I don't against Meta if they rotate it every Month or at least Season Game become boring if it has same layout of Meta or making it boring competitive game where every Gun/gadget is suck The finals is most closed to hero type game where Meta exists (due to Specialization and Gadget), and one way to entertain your player is rotate Hero Meta every month/balance Patch Don't always nerf sh*t, but also need buff something else So far The Finals just keeping Nerf thing making it much boring than Nuke era lmao
I don't think hate light I think they're trying to put it into a spot that works on paper but not in practice. It's also hard to balance because light can easily become too frustrating to deal with, even if it isn't technically OP.
Love your videos man. Tbh I love this game so much but I am at a point of frustration that is driving me away from the game for the first time. I've been playing a lot since day 1 and love the ranked grind. Currently Diamond 2 and top 1000. But the level to which the Heavy class is so much stronger than both Medium and Light right now is driving me crazy. In high elo diamond lobbies, the meta is undeniably HHM- and the amount of firepower it takes to overcome TWO sets of 350 HP + Dome Shields you can shoot through(!) + Mesh Shield/Charge and Slam + Barricades + RPGs for every engagement + C4 + all while both are getting pocket healed by their Medium... I mean... brother it is absolutely OPPRESSIVE. and it's not fun. Then when it comes down to actual gunskill in a fight, the Heavy class' top weapons have a HIGHER dps than ANY of my weapons as a Medium main... the pre-nerf FCAR was the only reason Mediums could kill Heavies consistently. Those days are gone and WAY too often am I dying to a Heavy that is less skilled than I am- not even trying to sound arrogant. It's just true. I enjoy high TTK games. I really enjoy the uniqueness of The Finals, but jesus man if they don't do something soon to fix how broken Heavy is in the current state of the game, then I'm out.
Thank you, and thank you for the support. Heavy is definitely frustrating. I personally wouldn't mind the high health a defense if they didn't do so much damage lol.
I noticed Apex and COD are flooded with console players, and my guess would be that it's because it's much easier to be good at them mechanically. Maybe that spoiled them a bit?
People were flaming for strong Mediums with heals+defibs while they can deal massive damage with the single gun that also has a red-dot - Embark nerfed FCAR; People were angry because stun gun was just a free-kill-ticket, and cloaking device was OP on maps like Horizon - both got nerfed. And people were like "damn, thats bad, I cant just abuse all the shit ive had" so yeah, git gud, adapt, compete.
Great video overall, I think your analysis of what does not need to change and what they need to improve or work on was fantastic, rather than the typical "THE FINALS IS DYING" type video which honestly doesnt help with anything. As someone who never played any fps very seriously and then finding The FINALS, loving it, and reaching diamond in both season 1 and 2, I can see how maybe people who have played other fps titles and have expected the same style of gameplay would be surprised at the complexity of the FINALS. As someone new to the genre, I was willing to give it a try and adapt. Even to this day, I still find high ranking players who have no clue how much money a player elimination gives you, or that starting a cashout gives you an additional 2k. There is definitely a learning curve, and being able to constantly think of various outcomes that could end with you either winning or losing on the fly is a challenge. I hope Embark improves upon this and makes the FINALS the game that not only they want to succeed, but for us gamers who hope it thrives.
Thank you, and congratulations on Diamomd! I think this game will eventually see some light once more players start to see how solid and dynamic the game is. Wiping is important. I feel like a team with the least number of deaths is more likely to win than the team with the most kills, lol.
When it come to balancing, people only look at whether or not something is strong or weak when another important factor is how it feel to play as and against weapon and gadget. So I feel like most of the nerf so far is justified (although may be a little much) That said. As a diamond 2, I think you’re right about how the patch to improving in the final isn’t very clear. games like Rainbow Six Siege, each death provides a learning opportunity, whether it's discovering a new angle that teaches strategic movement or observing a teammate's effective use of a gadget. But When it come to the final, even simple things like fire can put out gas grenade and smoke can put out fire isn’t taught in the game. Now don’t quote me, but I don’t think there’s even a cooldown listed anywhere on the game. This led me to believe that the final could benefit from incorporating brief, informative tips similar to those in TF2 that clarify abilities and gadget functions. • Sometimes, it's strategic to die before the cash out to only incur a 30% penalty on a smaller amount.' • 'When you see a heavy use an RPG. Let your light teammate know so that he can confidently close the distance. • 'Did you know stealing takes a full six seconds? Sometimes, it's safer to eliminate all threats before approaching the cash box.' • 'Earning cash isn’t only about defending during the cash out. Just opening a vault nets you a thousand more to spend, or two thousand if you deposit the cash box.' • 'The game might seem like another shooter, but it’s really a battle royale. Keep moving to avoid getting pinched by two teams. CASHBOX can be retaken, lives can’t ' • 'The scoreboard isn’t just for bragging. It shows who’s alive and who’s not in real-time, which helps you gauge the positions of other teams.' • 'Stick together-three guns are better than one.' All important informations that omitted in the game and that I can tell you with a 95 percent confident that even people in gold never came close to learning.
All of those tips would work perfectly on a loading screen. I agree, things like stun wasn't OP, but it was definitely not fun to go against. RB6S was my jam.
100% I believe a good 65% of players don’t know how to play the game because they rely purely on gun skill. Most mediums don’t even know how to utilize defibs properly and it gets their teammates killed a lot. This game purely revolves around quick thinking and communication
If you don’t have a good team to play with this game is insanely annoying. You will get BTFO’d if you are not coordinated with your team and you run up on a team with even a little bit of coordination
They should add modes like tdm for the casuals and keep skill based matchmaking out of casual modes but keep it in ranked.i love this game its been a breath of fresh air from modern day shooters that only care about profit
I made it to the end of the video, plat 4 on Xbox over here. I agree a lot with what you had to say. I personally only ever play light in casual games BUT, i do like a powerful inviz.
I love the game so much.. the community for this game complains way to Much, I’m a light main and idec about the recent nerfs, it’s still a usable and fun class.. but what you said about sweats and try hards is the problem with so many games, another problem is RUclips it’s self, always showing the “new meta “ as soon as it comes out..
@@ospuze exactly, I would always use the weirdest classes and just have fun but these days it’s super hard to do that as everyone is trying their heart out 😂
Definitely feel like cloak should be taken out. Going invisible completely takes the skill aspect out of the fight. No matter how good you are, if you can’t see them you’re dead in most encounters, especially with the stun.
Really like your videos, and you have great viewpoints I agree with. I haven't played The Finals in a couple of months because I was so frustrated with the randoms I was getting teamed up with. The general lack of awareness and playing the objective was too aggravating for me, so I uninstalled. When I got a chance to play with a couple of my buddies, it was a great time, but I wanted to play more than them, so ended up grouping up with people who appeared to be playing their first FPS game, and didn't understand working together, teamplay, or general strategic decisions. I haven't experienced too many of the nerfs you pointed out, but I do follow the game through your videos and the subreddit to keep a pulse on how it's going. I may reinstall some day, but my issues with the game were probably more genre-specific or multiplayer specific problems, rather than ONLY The Finals -- ended up installing lots of RPG, single player, and co-op to have a more relaxing time gaming, rather than getting frustrated with poor teamplay. I think this game scratched a FPS itch I hadn't been able to replicate in over a decade, but the frustration during a competitive match being lost due to out of control factors was just too stressful. I hope the game continues to improve so the community is dedicated, so when I return, I can pick up where I left off.
I would love to see you return, but more importantly, I think it's a great thing that you stepped away and found games that are more relaxing yet enjoyable! I find myself playing VR and co-op games all the time. FPS pvp games are %100 a headache, lol! Thank you for supporting my channel too!
The most important thing in the game is patients the sounds in this game are top tier you can hear fire fights so I tend to tell new players to wait till the sweats get exhausted and jump them last minute works most times unless they ultra sweaty 300iq players as a medium I like to hang back and support fire and and heal/res if my squad wipes I usually get out of there if I can light is all about being sneaky with hit and run tactics fast reloading weapons no reload with Melee nothing scarier than a dash samurai in the middle of a sweaty fire fight heavy is the most op class they can change the landscape if 4 teams running HHM that game is super sweaty
One of the biggest problems of this game in consoles that embark removed mnk on consoles and nerfes the aim assist . So if iwas playing rank there is no one play this on console so i must turn on crossplay and i must face pc players and "Haks" and thay have the ability to with mnk or controller but console player f$uck No 😞 so thay must work on that
I think certain guns gadgets and specializations should only be accessible in ranked. Nerfs are usually done for casual players so instead of nerfing things, just make them only accessible if you play ranked.
If a "no lights" mode doesnt come out soon, I will quit playing. Glad I have not spent any money on the game. Want Embark to make a single player game.
New subscriber here only issue I have with the game is the invisible inconsistency tired of being deleted by someone you cannot even see in front of or behind you. Other than that I love this game
I don't like it because I just don't like the way if feels to move and jump. It's a little clunky to me. I'm an apex and Titanfall 2 lover. I think the game is more of an acquired taste. I feel like I would have to really play it to enjoy but as of right now I'd just rather play apex. I never liked cod and I think that's why I don't like the game that much. But maybe it will change one day and I'll find the joy.
Trying to squeeze their way into the triple A FPS market as a studio that’s just on the verge of being an Indie studio Embark is working hard and need to keep it up to fight for their space in the market. I love embark and the finals and have faith in the devs who are making something they truly want to enjoy themselves. Great video as always ABOP ❤
Not gonna lie, I put off watching this video for multiple days. The title and thumbnail made me think it was going to be a lot more negative and less constructive than it was. This was a very well thought out video with valid points and unique perspective. It was well worth the watch.
One of my takes on the finals is remove cloak and replace it with recon it makes more sense for light to have it, light is a glass cannon n its easy to die them having info were people is will benefit them and the team not only will light be able to get easy picks with it they can use it to stay hidden and move around and position better Light already has vanish bomb so invis won't be completely removed and you can use vanishing bomb on teammates so imo better than cloak bc it helps the team out Edit: they could Also give light a stim pistol as a replacement for cloak (like doc's stim pistol in R6) but instead of healing it makes you move faster/steal faster but takes 50 hp and you can also shoot your teammate and make them move faster and then replace thermal vision with recon making recon a gadget for light it'll pretty much work the same as thermal but doesn't stay for as long
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Yeah and the thing is, a lot of people just don't have enough time or energy to learn it. The Finals requires you to learn gameplay mechanics that seem apparently similar to other objective based games but end up getting that much more complex because of the dynamism of the game flow, usually players aren't given that much control over their objective in the way this game does so they don't know what to do with it and one bad choice can end up in losing a tournament, it requires a level of critical thinking skills that isn't common in shooters and a game sense that has never been expected of gamers. Embark needs to do some LoL style of optional tutorial matches and video guides because people aren't absorbing just how complex the game truly is, many of the intricacies of the game are only discovered deep into the learning curve or through youtube videos. This is a game that can be learned if you're passionate enough, but that probably needs to be taught to those who can't understand it, for this reason Embark needs to make advertisements that serve as a mission statement to let everyone know that The Finals is not an ordinary shooter and it doesn't play like one, they must wear the gameplay on their sleeves and show it with pride, help people know how to play like League did with their iconic youtube ads.
Players don't like to feel their intelligence is insulted, but the industry simply wasn't ready for a game like this to drop. A lot of players do need a helping hand to get The Finals.
Absolute legend. I love your wording! I even think your ideas are awesome. I'll give you a pin! 😊
People not understanding how deep the game goes is what made me start making videos. It was too much to write or explain, so I just had to make a video, it did pretty well and now here I am lol!
Yep
This person nailed it!
Sheesh, what a long read. But I completely agree, and sadly I think a lot of people get hit in the ego when you tell them to straight up hit the range for a while before you decide how your setup works or what it's lacking.
Hold on brother you need to drop a video😂‼️
the loud gamers' brains too smooth. Love this game. the discord is a mess of bad takes and nerf complaints
Yeah, everyone has their own vision of what they want a game to be like.
Reddit is way worse than Discord when it comes to people moaning about nerfing, on the THE FINALS reddit server, almost every day I bet you that there will be a post saying to please nerf this weapon cause they died to it, without actually playing with it themselves and seeing that certain weapons in THE FINALS looks OP, but they require a lot of time to master and get good at
THEY GOTTA BUFF THEIR BRAIN
As a fps veteran who played shooters since Quake 2 and CS 1.6 times, this game is a godsend. I absolutely adore it. My friends, who haven't played as many shooters, they struggle from time to time to utilize the games sandbox to it's fullest. Im trying to teach them, but they are often hesistant to just jump in and play.
This game is incredibly difficult and demands a wide range of mechanical skills. You'd basically need to go to FPS-school to make The Finals easy to pick up. It has the TTK of TF2 and OW, the movement and small-team synergizing of Apex, the ability-juggling of OW AND the stronger recoil of CS or Val. On top of all this, the destruction mechanic adds an additional 5 layers of on-the-fly strategy, absolutely nuts. Games with skill ceilings like this live a long time, as long as they are given the love and support they need from the devs and the community.
Exactly! And the game mode/obj itself even has more layers to it! There's been times I lost because I can't add for shit! 😂
Well said!
Skill issue honestly
This games recoil aint that bad
Agreed, but thats what makes it fun. My multiplayer fps background is mostly Bungie Halo, BF and D2 with some CoD on the side. But I LOVE the refreshing nature of its sandbox and how it let's you approach problems in so many wierd ways that make every match and experience a wild ride. And that (to me) is FUN.
Hot take: yeah no doubt
i pretty much agree with everything you said, but the cool thing about the game in general is that hidden difficulty. The ability to find multiple solutions to one problem is what makes the gameplay feel refreshing and like no match is the same
*casually pulls out cocaine purity and price charts to illustrate a point*
Let's hope this isn't the real reason why there's so many try hards lol.
@@ospuze yeah
I mean the corelation is there; but my addiction hast gone down, since the finals. So a good enough substitute 🤣😂👀...
imo the biggest problem with ranked specifically is the third partying. If I just clutched a 1v3 defending the objective and then another team just runs in and finishes me off that's the most annoying thing in the game
I agree %100
I feel like your point about how the far ends of the skill spectrum are the ones leaving is actually so important, a lot of people dont see it as a spectrum and just think its 1 group or the other and it's really important to realize theres a ton of different people playing and a ton of reasons why each category of player would stay or go.
Let's gooo Appoh! Thank you for checking out the video! It's almost impossible to know, understand, and balance around everyone and every "variety" of player! Keep up the good work though. You're helping a lot of players understand the game!
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I sincerely hope this game achieves great success, as it has the potential to establish a new benchmark in the first-person shooter genre.
In my experience, I have never played a game, where I recognize so many players are just so completely horrible at it. From literally the worst aim I've ever seen, to people making the most obvious worst decision, like trying to manually revive a teammate in the middle of fire. Then to hear that there's petitions to remove things like the turret and stun gun, blows my mind. The problem isn't that these players are awful, it's that they believe their opinion on the game is equally valid as someone who has spent far more time playing, who is much better. If all you do is complain about the game, stop playing it, the community won't miss you.
I literally had a experienced fps player friend who found it difficult to understand the gameplay loop and concluded the game as being bad and not fun as compared to cs2 and apex legends, he was an idiot not being able to adapt to something new and actually competitive
I think Thiixy was right on the money with this topic. Let Embark create a mode, or temporary rework, that turns the Finals into what Embark wanted originally. Personally, I think we would be happily surprised by what we would see. The current state of the game is heavily due to overwhelmingly negative feedback from both reddit and discord, and Embark wanting to make as many people happy as possible. So, I think it'd be fun. Even if it changes nothing in the long run or doesn't stick around.
One major thing I think Embark should consider adjusting is the end-round spawns, because the last 30 seconds of a round, most likely when your team respawns, you will spawn across the map or extremely far away to the point where you might as well give up because you can't reach the cashout in-time and you can't really even try and steal it, and I hate that so much, instead of spawning us far away, at least give us a chance to get to the cashout so we can do something, and I know people are going to say "Well, that is the challenge that your team will face and that is what makes you value your life at the last 30 seconds and adds to the tension", but I don't think it works well and I don't think spawning you across the map is a great punishment so you can't get to the cashout is not a great or fair punishment in my opinion
Personally, I think the spawning in ranked and non-ranked game modes should be the complete opposite. I know it sucks to be spawned super far away, but I personally feel like it's still too easy to just run up and grab free money. If it was consistent, at least you could prepare for it, and it'll add more value to things like sip, gateway, and even grapple. On the casual game modes, I definitely think people should spawn a lot closer.
I've been saying to my friends that nerfs and buffs aren't needed as much as people think, they are just too dumb to figure out counter plays or too lazy or mixture of both.
I will say that there has been a significant improvement since the new game mode, after people taste how annoying it is to be dead the whole match they play with teams better on all modes, at least my opinion
Personally, I love the complexity of the game, it's the reason I like it over a lot of other competitive shooters. However, I do understand that it can be relatively daunting for new people trying to enter the game.
I’ve put nearly 450 hours into the game since December 15th and I barely feel like I understand the flow, it’s so obvious when players are newer or aren’t trying to learn it past how to get kills, I feel like it’s over focused on. You don’t have to always chase down that last player on 25 health, they don’t have teammates and aren’t gunna push 3 people. just run to the next cash out, getting cash is the point not kills
They have 300k login everyday on all platforms and 15k concurrent players just for steam, its here to stay
My gollum Funko Pop is more invisible than the characters in this game with a supposed stealth ability because at least it doesn't make a bunch of buzzing noises.
I'm blind.
Most people dont understand simple fundamental of shooters or decisionmaking
I'm a long time FPS lover. For real, 50h of The Finals gameplay has improved my aim and movement in other FPS, too. More than 1000h in other FPS. When it comes to casual gamers, it's difficult yes, but anyone who played some FPS extensively should have no real problem getting used to the game's specific strats, movement etc. Especially for those who played the arena shooters back in the day. That said, The Finals is still on my top list and in the meantime I have about 300h of gameplay as a casual :D
dude finals players are absolutely braindead
like the ultimate litmus test on whether or not someone is intelligent in the finals involves the following scenario:
Gamemode, quick cash.
Team A already made one cashout, and is currently about to secure the second cashout.
No other teams have any cashouts. So the score is 1/0/0 (2 begin victory)
Team A gets wiped. The cashout is available to steal.
You begin stealing the cashout, this is the last window to begin stealing and if this is interrupted the game is over and team A wins.
Team B for absolutely no reason charges in and prevents you from stealing. Thus ensuring that BOTH of you lose.
When I see this happen I'm just in awe in how stupid people can be. Team B could have had a second chance at victory if they just let your team steal.
😂 I think people just want to shoot stuff lol.
because people play for kd rather than objective..... sometimes the objective can be helping the other team steal... but people can't use this thing called brain xd
You gotta play ranked bro tbh. I stopped playing casual mostly because of this reason lol. It infuriates me. The downside of ranked is having to play the better team comps in order to get anywhere in general.
Buddy casual is the best you want it like this i want See dump players with sword and hammer and useless things useless plays what you Don.t want is tryh in casual you want full dia Team sweat in Casual you want the score be 100k$ Team A. / B,C,D >1000$
You want to be 0-10 in casual bc people want to sweat and try in casual? Bro chill its just casual.
@@JuanIsHighplus, people have a innate fear of comms.
I've seen so many clueless players it's not even funny. Although I'm surprised people don't intuitively understand the game's various mechanics and each class's roles based on loadouts, I guess majority of players aren't that used to variety of other games that they can understand Finals right away, especially since this game is free.
As for nerfs, I think they really need to rework Light's Invisibility and Medium's APS Turret. Right now the most frustrating group to play against is 2 Medium & 3 Heavy, all spamming APS Turret & Shields. Even Glitch Grenade isn't enough due to APS Turret's extremely generous range.
I agree with you on cloak for light, it has seemed too inconsistent. The fact that people claim that it's the only way to prosper as a light in competitive bad. Due to the nature of how quick it is to kill an enemy without them being able to respond is very powerful. I almost believe that light should have a delay from when they are able to uncloak to when they are able to shoot, just to give the person being attacked time to react(Granted I did rip that idea straight from tf2, where it isn't as chaotic as the finals, but it does seem to work. maybe a decloak sound too?).
Personally I feel like light is in an odd spot, where as a flanking/ambush class, non light mains(especially beginners) will be mad at the class for being overpowered, when they were simply outplayed, and light mains will be frustrated, when they were at a statistical disadvantage because they were facing a head on battle. This leads to both sides being angry. The problem is that since light has all the fun movement tech and high risk high reward gameplay, it attracts a large amount of the beginners to the class(more light players in casual, less light players in comp).
Granted, I haven't played the game in a little while, and most of the opinions i have stated are from things I have heard online, digested through my own thought process. I do think this video is really well crafted, and covers the state of the game very well. I really enjoy the optimistic view from this, which is kind of an outlier. Good video!👍
Thank you! And I agree!
yeah my argument has been that people just suck from the beginning lol. the subreddit it annoying too. most people who try to play light don’t understand how it’s supposed to be played and it’s true that they really never tell you. this game can’t really be taught, only learned. if you find yourself getting a lot of kills, but not winning, you have to switch up the play style. trying the same thing over and over and getting the same result while wanting something else is silly. it’s true that most people just don’t have the time to learn this game. it’s pretty evident in unranked.
Bank It is like tdm/sdm, still easy enough and balanced because you dont have to defend that much. Every class can win. If you need to defend a lot in any game mode. Heavy dominates gg. The last important nerf is RPG...
Totally agree on bank it. It's my go to if I'm feeling lazy and need x amount of cashouts or damage done with a class.
the only other game i can compare the finals is rocket league and its two different games completely but its true the movement and momentum is key is both games
After patch 26.0, it's been harder to rank up. I've been losing so many matches in a row. Play with random teammates is like playing rock, paper and scissor.
I feel like the matchmaking has been tightened up. It's been harder for sure but I would rather lose but learn a lot and get better than get a bunch of easy dubs. Keep up the grind though. You got this.
maybe change the game mode to another objective game mode people know and can get behind like search or capture the flag or something... bank it in theory sounds cool but with how hard the game already is giving the people a familiar game mode can lighten the path to higher levels
I am currently liking the relative simplicity of the new terminal attack (which is search) game mode, but I always end up going back to the cashout mode. I would love to see capture the flag!
I agree I notice a lot of people don't seem to quite "get" the game. They expect it to follow the standards set by the other popular shooters. Its really hard to get players to understand the nuances of your game when it has complexity that scales with understanding... I'm sure even a lot of the devs don't actually *understand* the game's deep mechanics as much as the most skilled players - thats the same with most games. Only time can tell really. Over time Embark will learn how to communicate the game to people, and people will just learn naturally that this is a game that is not like others.
I really kinda worry about them adding stuff like TDM because, while you're right about it being able to help people practice, I wonder if it could just actually reinforce the wrong ideas on how the game is played. I mean how could players truly learn the unique aspects of The Finals in a gamemode that doesn't even take advantages of them? And if the gamemode DID take advantage of them, it may not be 'traditional' enough for those types of players to really stick around long enough. I'm sure they could manage it if they worked hard enough on it... but I personally think they should just lean harder into standing out against other games but somehow be more overt about it. Like let players know that this is NOT like your typical shooter and *thats why its so good*. The fresh gameplay is the strength of The Finals in my opinion.
I agree! Nice points! I definitely think that as people learn more about how the game is played, more people will enjoy the game!
Completely agree, I came here to say something very similar.
you are right about many things, but unfortunately the biggest point ranked is not considered.
Too complex for new players the cash management alone, there are too many random parameter spawns third party, teams will grief you out 3 teams vs 1 team, cash defend value is a joke for 120sec, the first 6min you can also go afk because the vaults are worth nothing. SBMM is too stupid to distinguish between SoloQ and duo player vs full stacked. As long as you don't play the game alone without disadvantages it won't have any success. I myself have played 700h and 2 accounts dia+ and all betas from cb1 to ob.
i don't even want to know how shitty it is to start over and play ranked because you don't know anything and the bad matchmaking. And three stacks have an ultra-advantage in the game especially after all the weapon nerfs and 80% of the ability's reward team play. Embark won't realize that gunplay needs to take center stage until it's too late.
Right now we're on the road to a shitty shild, abilities overwatch game, with 30000 abilities but with shitty feeling weapons!
I definitely agree that the gunplay should be tightened up, but I personally also like the heavy emphasis on team play and the "overwatch" feel. I just hope they can somehow make it a bit more intuitive.
I genuinely didn't even notice the stun gun was nerfed until I picked light back up and began using it. It's not often that I get stunned but the moment I began using it and frequently landing it, it became clear to me that I either MISREMEMBERED how it worked or it got changed.
I'm not a big fan of classic modes... I started playing the finals because of its original modes and with terminal attack, despite most of the mechanics are 100% The Finals, the game feels a lot more like CS2. In the end I don't want The Finals to adapt and fall under the umbrella of other shooters but I want it to be unique as it is now.
It could be more friendly on casual players, but even if you give casuals a mode like DM how does it prevent pros from playing that mode and so still ruining the experience for causals?
What I mean to say is that The finals rotates a lot more around team cordination compared to other competitive shooters. You can still get an Ace in CS2 or R6 but it is a lot harder even to win a 1v2 in the finals.
I hope you see my point.
I absolutely do see your point!
Stun was only so stronge because of cloak. I do feel like cloak was ruining light balance because there were too many synergies with it that were very strong. With cloak gone, the devs can buff other things in the light's tool kit and make the light playstyle more dynamic and interesting.
I agree. With cloak stun is significantly easier to use! I'm really curious if they will do anything with cloak in the future as I think the invis bomb is balanced, but I'm not a current fan of cloak.
First of all, I really enjoyed the video and your input on the game. Not only because I can agree with so much, but these kinds of videos for the game are really invaluable to the overall morale of the game and its playerbase. The game feels like its in a great place rn, and def deserves more attention from the fps community as a whole. The idea of a "meat-grinder" mode is a great idea for new/less skilled players, but i also think there needs to be a similar solution for the greater skilled players that are leaving. I think having more ranked game modes would help with this a lot. Ranked power shift, or terminal defense, where each gametype comes with its own rank separate from the other gamemodes would help a decent amount. I think back to Halo 3, how could get a different rank for each competitive playlist there, between swat, team slayer, team objective, etc.
I would be interested in ranked power shift for sure! Good points!
I think cloak will be removed in Season 3 similar to recon in Season 2. My guess is they'll replace it with a prop hunt style cloak where you change into an object in the arena. Embark mentioned working on something like that in the AMA they did recently and I think its really likely given all the nerfs and discourse about how "unfair" it feels. With prop cloak you still get to be sneaky and ambush people out of nowhere, but with more counter play.
The AMA gave me a lot of hope for the future of the game. They really do care. I forgot to add that link to the description lol! Thank you.
That's amazing idea lol I really would love to see that
Prop cloak + data reshaped should allow you to be able to turn into a barrel and be thrown at your opponents
@@468erpeashooter9 that would be awesome 😂
@@468erpeashooter9YO this is actually a great idea. Having your heavy yeet your light towards a good position is super dope
This game is so difficult because it is so different. In my friendship group ive noticed the guys coming from games like valorant, cs or cod are worse at the finals than my friends coming from Arma, Battlefield and tarkov, and its because the finals tests so many other skills than just aim. Even though the Cs/Val players are 100% better aim wise, they dont have the on the fly thinking, dynamism and improv skills other players have that are so crucial in the finals.
I've seen RB6S players slap at this game lol. Even the aim needed (tracking) isn't common in games like CS. You definitely have to be super adaptive on here!
I hit plat season 2 ranked so far. I love this game so much. But man. My buddies have a hard time playing it with me.
I was halfway through making this video when I saw this.
Yes, yes they are.
I absolutely love this game. I love the skill ceiling/floor that there is. It takes some actual critical thinking to play thia game. Embark is listening to the community and they are actually trying to get this game in a state thats balanced and fair to play.
As someone with no background in shooters... This game is great!
Theres plenty of weapons where it feels like im not expected to get 100% headshots (or that its not needed to be effective).
Ive managed to climb to plat 3 with heavy grenade launcher and its honestly been super fun to learn all about this janky weapon and how to succeed with it. Genuinely dont think it needs too much changing to be an okay weapon. Like, make the ads have a laser line (if they could put the bounce in too, that would be great) since aiming down sights is genuinely useless on it. Would bring up the skill floor a lot imo, gives people a way to learn the arc way faster. And maybe just a slightly faster reload.
I mentioned earlier that i dont play shooters, but i do play fighting games from time to time and i think that really helped with my mentality. Trying to avoid thoughts like "this is bullshit, its so unfair" and just thinking "What could i have done there?" Instead.
Going for ceiling bounces instead of floor bounces against a dash light for example.
Another part of this is sorta moving away from the easy out of it being my weapon/characters fault.
Asking myself "Would i have died there with another weapon?" And "did i need to be in this situation?" And such is a great way to process and learn.
Another fighting game mention...
Nerfs! Nerfs are pretty important. Theres the occasional joke about if everything is broken, nothing is, but this doesnt typically hold true. Some things will universally be more broken than others.
Furthermore, things that are "broken" typically feel awful on the recieving end, and people are far better at picking up on the negative side than the positioves of their own broken tools.
Also, the buff never nerf mentality. I dislike it. Nerfs are a part of the game devs toolkit. They should be used.
Back to the game itself... I do think the game might over favor heavy at the current moment. Heavy is seemingly a slow closer range class, but the game has several gamestates where you are forced into closer ranges (which is why sniper struggles, even if you know that the crouch hipfire reduction is pretty steep). Heavy additionally has great tools for staying alive - which is probably the most important aspect of the game.
I really like your thinking! Yeah, heavy is wild right now lol.
Lmao, I agree with peoples IQ is low that end up leaving it. I've noticed that most Randoms that I talk to are in their late 20s mostly 30s. That tells me most people that leave are the younger crowd. Like the teens to early 20s.
I noticed The Finals had a relatively older player base too. I think it has a little bit to do with "us" being used to older games that would just throw you in there and expect you to figure it out and it's also a lot of old Battlefield fans on here.
@ospuze I haven't ran into older bf fans yet but I can see that.
The tdm training mode is such a good idea. Just have them throw you on whatever team in whatever match. Maybe have the servers stay open for a long time, make it the norm to come and go. Basically a public practice map.
Ok. I wasn't agreeing with you until what you said reminded me of the tdm in valorant. I believe the amount of weapon/ dynamics practice that you could get from that, as well as not rewarding you at all for playing it, is perfect for waiting in a lobby, trying out strats or checking your skill/warming up...
@@Solcres_Joa Exactly this! It could have a local in-lobby score, but nothing that would give you xp, rewards or challenges.
Just a genuine casual mode.
@@shipwreck9146 I can totally get behind that.
100% I agree with the statement that this game presents itself as a casual run around, blow stuff up, pew pew COD/BF:BC mix up but in reality it's not. It's much closer to a game like Overwatch back in 2018, yeah you can run around and dps and take fights casually and maybe get a cashout etc but once you go up against an organised team all of a sudden it's totally overwhelming, you can barely get a kill, there's a heavy charging you down, a medium with a heal beam planted firmly in the heavies ass and maybe a lights popping up out of thin air bursting you down and you think "where's my own team, wtf are they doing? oh they're dead just like me, well GG".
The game needs a casual mode not just for beginners to learn their own abilities but also for returning players to just jump into and have a few games without the pressure of objective based game modes with long respawns etc, I hope they add a TDM or DM mode at some point, it's un-inspired but it'd be healthy for the game overall I think
Isn't that what quickplay is for? Don't get me wrong, I've had that experience, and I live in quick play rather than comp, but I think the whole reason I play there, rather than in comp is that messing up, rage quitting (often sadfacts) or just warming up/testing builds out, is acceptable and ok.
@@Solcres_Joa I don't think there really is a quickplay. I was playing quick cash recently just to get a few quests done namely 'steal a cashout 15 times' (very annoying) and I went up against way more 3 stacks than in any other mode.
Even a tiny amount of communication and team work can drastically change the flow of a match in the finals
@@ShootFirstNS Haha yeah that challenge was a tough one 😅. I mainly solo queue so I'm never sure of if I'm matching with stacks ( unless they share names, although I bet they could group via discord easily too), and I mean yeah, I completely agree on that last part. But, I'd say a lot of people don't play the "casual playlist" ( quick play) a lot because of ego and to not feel restricted by metas or worrying intensely about winning and loosing; plus I suppose it would be easier to style on new players/casuals (I intensely disapprove of this)...
I only stopped playing because the old maps are too boring to play in now . Only got the new map twice after 5 hours of play . Next season needs 2 more maps for sure
The balance changes are great, but they've been minor since the beginning of season 2. I am still annoyed with balance, probably because riot shield got nerfed 3 times this season. (the hell, embark!?) Most of these changes are not enough
Whooaaa they nerfed riot? I know a lot of things go unseen... like my goo gun nerf 😞 I think they'll come back around to making things better though.
Dude awesome video. Very well articulated. Caught my like and sub 🤙🏻
Let's go! Thank you for the sub!
Anglerfish tactics on stealing the cashouts💪🤑
The randoms are get in this game are wild … my objective score after each game is crazy and my combat score I get Atleast 30 kills a game in ranked while my random teammates do nothing it’s so frustrating. I don’t get mad either I try to teach them how to play but for some reasons randoms and teaching don’t go well they get butt hurt and mad even tho I’m not being rude then I get called the N word. I’m currently plat 3 pushing for that diamond
Don't let it get to you! Keep up that grind and spreading positivity! 💪
Yes. I have played it with some people I used to game with all the time and they don't like it because it isn't mindless. Between the longer ttk, classes, and objectives, people struggle to think on their feet. Bank it was always my favorite game mode, but power shift has grown on me a ton. Everytime i play the game i have so much fun.
Power shift is a ton of fun!
It might be down to settings, but I feel like light cloak is extremely easy to see, especially since the cloaking sound is hella loud. When I hear that sound, I just calm down, look around, and usually a Light player will just be running head first into me and get beamed.
The only situations where it's nearly as useful as it should be is in high intensity scenarios where you can't keep track of the invis players, like when you get 3rd partied.
In a simple 3v3 cloak is really weak, and it only becomes weaker the higher in rank you get. That's why almost nobody ever plays light in high rank.
I've tried a lot to get invis easier to see. The kills I got in my examples were based off of sound lol.
I hit diamond in both seasons so far. This is one of the most fun and frustrating games ive ever played. Its hard bringing my friends into the game that have no experience. Its so hard at first to be good at it.
The biggest problem with balancing the Finals is that hardcore play and casual play are completely different. In hardcore ranked no one plays light, but in casual play light dominates. It makes achieving balance for both playstyles impossible. So one part of your player base will always be frustrated.
True! It's a very difficult task but I think they'll figure it out. That's why I think the nerfs are needed for now so that they can see what exactly is happening. It sucks but I think it's better for the long haul.
the core of the game is fundamentally unbalanced, from classes, to allowing 3 of the same class, to weapons/ to map design of breakable everything/ to cashouts to being able to steal the cashout last minute and then be rewarded full for minimal time holding objective, abilities/ spawn zones/ cashout locations/ health and abilities they are all unbalanced, and they can't be balanced, the very concept of this game is unbalanced, no matter what changes they make the core gameplay itself is unbalanced, the whole core needs to scrapped and redone for any real balance to come. no matter what nerfs come its always pure unbalance, like shooting a rocket and directly impacting him when he turns the corner and doing less that 53 damage to him but 252 to myself.. pure balance, when you walk into a room and theres 3 turrets that shred 200 hp in half a second, balance, entire buildings collapsing in 2.2 seconds because a heavy decided to take out a single pillar on the bottom floor, not being able to change loadouts in ranked, can completely be countered with no counter play based on certain loadouts where you physically can't fight a team, you 100% lose every time no matter how you approach the situation, these are things that make the game not sustainable fuck the skill gap of lower and higher players, the games fundamentally unbalanced for people at the same level.
@@brianpancotto8829 I mean, except for the rpg comment and the sad comp situation (I blame meta mikes, where winning is absolutely everything). I want the game you just described...
I think it boils down to gadgets and specializations being added down the lines to do two things to balance both: give light more team utility and something that makes heavy more fun to play.
The recent nerfs aren’t the real reason you don’t see light in high elo. It’s the simple fact that heal beam/ defib and/or shields offer more team utility currently and light offers nothing in terms of team survivability.
I think it's mostly because Light's util is gimmicky and mostly used for picks, while the other classes have util that's more team oriented and overall stronger.
Funny this video came on my feed today because just the other day I had my both school time friend download. I had some work to do so I arrived late but I was on discord listing they played a cashout T.attack mode and on my recommendation Power shift and thew out their play all I can hear them say "Woah what's happening and It's just too much stuff happening" I understand the first time POV of a new finals player, so when I did came we queued for T.attack 1 one of them just left like quite the same mode cause he didn't like it then we queued for Power shift which we lost (In Asian people don't open mic also the one that have brain already queues in stacks) so I was kinda doing 1v5 and we lost to be honest I was using light with combat knife which was bad idea for PS mode so half of the fault is mine as well, after that we played our last game with was cashout now at the point the friend to quit on Terminal attack was mad mad so I told him "brother all you gotta to do stay around me we protect eachother and we win ez fr" and his dumb az went for light picked sniper and sat on roof honestly this right here was a behaviour you expect from a random dude, OK so me a other buddie sticked with my plan we followed me to cash box we opened it took it to deposit put it in I had heavy built I used my goo gun sealed all ways and set mines at first no one came after a bit one team came and fall on trap it was a ez cash out but then idk what came into other buddie's mind he started following the Mr .Sniper even tho I clearly told him stuck with me I'll get you guys win then we lost. I'm sorry if it bit to late but bithe these dudes play Valorent every night even tho I don't like the game and the main reason is it's too long best of 12 rounds is so long then the other half holly crap. I'll be mature here I won't say stuff like Valorent is a UwU game made for kids who watch skibdi toilet I understand it's a game too also it took me 10-20 games to get use to it maybe I'm a slow lerner maybe somthing else but I do remember having no thought for the game then skip back to a week I was totally in love.
I'm sorry if my words is hard to understand my native language isn't English and in short what I was trying to say on the comment above is that the finals is a game you have give a little bit of your time and it's all worst it the finals and people who are behind it ate incridible.
In TF2, spies can freely go completely invisible in order to get instakills or ambush. This is balanced out by spies not being able to instantly go invisible or instantly leave invisibility and attack. It takes about a second to go invisible, a second to leave it, and it makes a sound cue. Spies become partially visible when they take damage or bump into someone. Much of the time, the spy got the kill because the enemies were distracted. There's actual counterplay.
All the finals needs to do is to create a delay between leaving invis and being able to fight.
I have never seen such a crazy disparity of player intelligence than in this game. Granted, I come from semi-pro Overwatch, which is incredibly complex, but I'm not expecting people to be on that level. What I'm expecting is for people to not play this like CoD. It's ridiculous the amount of times I see people incapable of doing anything but shooting at the enemy. I actually think having more casual modes will harm the game. I think it's important for players to learn the complex mechanics of this game. That's what sbmm is for
It was a good thing they removed recon I was abusing tf out of it and I think everyone who was not on my team hated me and it wasn’t fair for them😂 I’m pretty happy with how the game is now I also think they should do something about the inconsistency of invis I have no problem with identifying the invis players most of the time but when they completely vanish from existence it can catch you off guard.
I really hope they make changes for the better so it doesn’t discourage newer players to keep playing
Absolutely agree with everything said here!
The immense difficulty of the finals is both a good and bad thing. As someone whos also really invested into the game i love studying all the complexities and macro and micro strats that go into a match, but at the same time they are a turnoff for newer players, even ones that are generally good at other games.
I have a couple of friends that tryhard at every single game they touch and i keep telling them about the finals and sending them my clips but they just refuse to play because they feel like its not worth it to learn all of this for a game with "such a small player count", especially in the age we live in where everybody wanna be insane twitch streamer/esports pro with a huge audience fast. In its current state, even with the high skill ceiling the finals is just not esports ready imo.
Even if embark do everything right it will take time for it to become big and challenge other games with similar levels of complexity like LoL for example.
It's wild how many people won't try something because of playercount. We (as in the community) got this though! 💪
Im surprised people find this game difficult. To me the game is straight forward and easy to understand. I am experienced in FPS games such as Valorant, Apex and COD. But the game is definitely way easier than Apex. Also I think many people just dont want to admit that players have just gotten better over the years. Because I dont really believe in sweats. Some people are just naturally good and theyre not even trying their best, but to others they think theyre 'sweating'. I love The Finals, to me is the most refreshing arcade shooter and mode (Cashout) I've played in years. I love the TTK and the dynamic destructible environments, it reminds me of Rainbow Six Siege. The only thing I hate about it is when I have to face a team that consists of 3 mediums, and each one has turrets 😐 I know the glitch grenade is the counter but they usually place the turrets far away from each other, so it doesnt really do much 🫠
I swear most "sweats" are eating a bag of chips and chilling lol. Apex was a bit easier for me imo. I think it's a bit more straightforward and "just survive." I was also a die-hard arenas fan, so pvp, for the most part, was a bit easier for me on there.
I think one of the most important and underrated factor for a competitive shooter to succeed is characters. For the past decade Overwatch, Apex Legends, Valorant succeeded to build their own playerbase while some games like Hyper Scape completely died despite having a good start. It's nearly impossible for games to have perfect balancing, so even when the developers are godlike there's gonna be a time where they struggle to make a fun meta for everyone(or the majority of people). I think this is where characters get handy. Even when the current patch is very mid or not good enough, people will still play the game if they have a character that represents their personality, play style, etc. If Apex Legends, Valorant, Overwatch, The Finals were struggling to make a good meta at the same time, people will go to play Wraith, Jett or Genji rather than playing Light or Medium.
If a game publisher that doesn't have an OG brand like CoD or Counter Strike wants to make a live service shooter game, I definitely think they should make characters with unique personality's for their game if they wanna succeed in a long term. One single good patch isn't gonna be enough for The Finals to be great again imo.
No please, not another hero shooter. I like customizing my heavy, my lights or all my different mediums. I like having a loadout that is tailored to my specific needs. And I believe the fact that I can customize both for form as well as for function is part of The Finals' dna, in it's lore, it is literally a VR game. Why would I (the player) play as anyone else than who I want to be (and play like) that specific day?
I purposely avoid hero shooters cause they're garbage.
@@Solcres_Joa Team Fortress exists. The classes *are* characters but their loadouts and cosmetics can be freely changed.
@aidenb876 Yeah. That, to me, still doesn't sound better than customizing my character's appearance on each class and being able to easily dress up like the pyro (if I'd want to)...
Great video! Very interesting insight. My 2 cents on how embark could potentially balance the light class between casual and ranked would be to slow down the sword animation + fix the animation cancel bug, extend glitch grenade to last 8-10 sec, extend stun to 20m but retain the same stats applied as it is now, and give lights 50 more hp.
This would effectively prevent the most toxic casual meta for light classes, but allow light to be a valuable pick in ranked, as light have so many crucial counters to the heavy classes absolutely dominant abilities in ranked, even with the stun gun nerf, but their hp is so low that they become a liability in ranked matches.
To some degree they would become a slightly weaker medium, with faster movement, more capability to roam and gather intel, and have a better capacity to live and slow res teams preventing wipes and economy loss.
Having a tighter max health window between all classes (200,250,350 for example) could make the game more enjoyable for both casual and ranked.
I think having a 200hp light would be a lot scarier and harder to kill than most people think. I definitely think light glitch still needs a little more help to make it a strong pick.
The only thing not mentioned about increasing the HP of light in this comment is the average ttk and dps they have on other classes due to their weapons.
L also think light HP needs to go up a bit to maybe 175, but here is the thing to consider, when doing a HP increase like this they gotta increase the ttk of their weapons across the board,not by much though, and with those dps nerfs also increase sustain through reload speed buffs or mag size increases for most weapons, otherwise they are gonna be mega strong in 1v1s through cheer stats. If done wrong it can easily break the class.
If done properly the class will have more Frontline presence, be less punished for bad line of sight usage and weaker at insta-deleting unaware enemies.
Yep great points regarding hp buff vs ttk nerfs. Having played counter strike for a very long time I’ve been trying to figure out why there is such difficulty balancing the weapons and classes between between ranked and casual in the finals, and I eventually landed on the HP disparity across the classes being one of the strongest differences between the finals and games like counter strike. Obviously in competitive tac shooters the Meta will eventually shift towards the highest dps while sacrificing HP as little as possible, increasing survivability.
So I think the issue with light is that you are generally costing the team as a unit so much survivability in the moment of contact with another team, and replacing it with potential (non guaranteed) survivability by preventing team wipes if you are a good enough player.
To make light desirable in general though embark needed to give light the highest effective dps values, which makes them so unbalanced in casual, and so difficult to preference in ranked due to their general inability to be safely involved in initial contact with other teams.
So with that in mind I think at least one way to balance the preference picks for both game modes would be to increase HP, reduce ttk, and effectively turn them into a role which can counter heavy shields, and heal beaming, whilst be capable of gathering info. So effectively a slightly faster medium, which can more effectively deal more damage at range than the other classes, and have their abilities specced less for dps, and more for ability countering and info gathering
One final note about increasing every classes ttk to counter light having potentially more HP is that I think embark may be worried about reducing the games general ttk so that it turns into another CS, R6S, or Val, where all players can effectively die within 1 second.
Even though I would love guns like the AKM and FCAR to be buffed by 2-3 damage per bullet to be able to compete with the a higher HP light class, I think that would potentially be going against what embark envision for the play style of the game.
A better solution might be to generally nerf the ttk of the light class, AND nerf the TTK of the Lewis gun by 1 or 2 damage so that the AKM and FCAR are not as bad as they feel now against heavies.
A balance like this for weapons across all classes would definitely put more emphasis on the users skill with utility, abilities, and individual/team position to win out fights faster, instead of pure aim winning duals.
Smooth brain Valorant and CoD players can't handle anything more complex than variants on deathmatch. Even in siege people barely even plant and only go for kills.
Short answer: Meta kills games
Facts (especially stagnant ones).
I don't against Meta if they rotate it every Month or at least Season
Game become boring if it has same layout of Meta or making it boring competitive game where every Gun/gadget is suck
The finals is most closed to hero type game where Meta exists (due to Specialization and Gadget), and one way to entertain your player is rotate Hero Meta every month/balance Patch
Don't always nerf sh*t, but also need buff something else
So far The Finals just keeping Nerf thing making it much boring than Nuke era lmao
their balancing team is doing a "fine" work on the game.. it just suck that it seems they hate light
I don't think hate light I think they're trying to put it into a spot that works on paper but not in practice. It's also hard to balance because light can easily become too frustrating to deal with, even if it isn't technically OP.
The answer to the question in the title is a resounding yes
Love your videos man. Tbh I love this game so much but I am at a point of frustration that is driving me away from the game for the first time. I've been playing a lot since day 1 and love the ranked grind. Currently Diamond 2 and top 1000. But the level to which the Heavy class is so much stronger than both Medium and Light right now is driving me crazy. In high elo diamond lobbies, the meta is undeniably HHM- and the amount of firepower it takes to overcome TWO sets of 350 HP + Dome Shields you can shoot through(!) + Mesh Shield/Charge and Slam + Barricades + RPGs for every engagement + C4 + all while both are getting pocket healed by their Medium... I mean... brother it is absolutely OPPRESSIVE. and it's not fun. Then when it comes down to actual gunskill in a fight, the Heavy class' top weapons have a HIGHER dps than ANY of my weapons as a Medium main... the pre-nerf FCAR was the only reason Mediums could kill Heavies consistently. Those days are gone and WAY too often am I dying to a Heavy that is less skilled than I am- not even trying to sound arrogant. It's just true. I enjoy high TTK games. I really enjoy the uniqueness of The Finals, but jesus man if they don't do something soon to fix how broken Heavy is in the current state of the game, then I'm out.
Thank you, and thank you for the support. Heavy is definitely frustrating. I personally wouldn't mind the high health a defense if they didn't do so much damage lol.
@@ospuze I agree with that for sure, and also I was on some emotional shit lmao just passionate about the game
From my experience console players tend to have a mentality that they can’t get better that goes for other games
I noticed Apex and COD are flooded with console players, and my guess would be that it's because it's much easier to be good at them mechanically. Maybe that spoiled them a bit?
People were flaming for strong Mediums with heals+defibs while they can deal massive damage with the single gun that also has a red-dot - Embark nerfed FCAR;
People were angry because stun gun was just a free-kill-ticket, and cloaking device was OP on maps like Horizon - both got nerfed.
And people were like "damn, thats bad, I cant just abuse all the shit ive had" so yeah, git gud, adapt, compete.
Such truths! 😩🤌
I also think stun gun should regain the ability to lock you out of gadgets
I agree! We'll see if they change it though.
1:58 oh ok yeah sure
2:00 absolute whiplash
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Great video overall, I think your analysis of what does not need to change and what they need to improve or work on was fantastic, rather than the typical "THE FINALS IS DYING" type video which honestly doesnt help with anything. As someone who never played any fps very seriously and then finding The FINALS, loving it, and reaching diamond in both season 1 and 2, I can see how maybe people who have played other fps titles and have expected the same style of gameplay would be surprised at the complexity of the FINALS. As someone new to the genre, I was willing to give it a try and adapt. Even to this day, I still find high ranking players who have no clue how much money a player elimination gives you, or that starting a cashout gives you an additional 2k. There is definitely a learning curve, and being able to constantly think of various outcomes that could end with you either winning or losing on the fly is a challenge. I hope Embark improves upon this and makes the FINALS the game that not only they want to succeed, but for us gamers who hope it thrives.
Thank you, and congratulations on Diamomd! I think this game will eventually see some light once more players start to see how solid and dynamic the game is. Wiping is important. I feel like a team with the least number of deaths is more likely to win than the team with the most kills, lol.
When it come to balancing, people only look at whether or not something is strong or weak when another important factor is how it feel to play as and against weapon and gadget. So I feel like most of the nerf so far is justified (although may be a little much)
That said.
As a diamond 2, I think you’re right about how the patch to improving in the final isn’t very clear.
games like Rainbow Six Siege, each death provides a learning opportunity, whether it's discovering a new angle that teaches strategic movement or observing a teammate's effective use of a gadget. But When it come to the final, even simple things like fire can put out gas grenade and smoke can put out fire isn’t taught in the game. Now don’t quote me, but I don’t think there’s even a cooldown listed anywhere on the game.
This led me to believe that the final could benefit from incorporating brief, informative tips similar to those in TF2 that clarify abilities and gadget functions.
• Sometimes, it's strategic to die before the cash out to only incur a 30% penalty on a smaller amount.'
• 'When you see a heavy use an RPG. Let your light teammate know so that he can confidently close the distance.
• 'Did you know stealing takes a full six seconds? Sometimes, it's safer to eliminate all threats before approaching the cash box.'
• 'Earning cash isn’t only about defending during the cash out. Just opening a vault nets you a thousand more to spend, or two thousand if you deposit the cash box.'
• 'The game might seem like another shooter, but it’s really a battle royale. Keep moving to avoid getting pinched by two teams. CASHBOX can be retaken, lives can’t '
• 'The scoreboard isn’t just for bragging. It shows who’s alive and who’s not in real-time, which helps you gauge the positions of other teams.'
• 'Stick together-three guns are better than one.'
All important informations that omitted in the game and that I can tell you with a 95 percent confident that even people in gold never came close to learning.
All of those tips would work perfectly on a loading screen. I agree, things like stun wasn't OP, but it was definitely not fun to go against. RB6S was my jam.
That's an easy, but great idea ngl.
Great video as always! Given time to grow THE FINALS will reach monumental heights. Have to walk before you run!
Exactly! Maybe if light had rpg, the game will have 1m players on Steam.
100% I believe a good 65% of players don’t know how to play the game because they rely purely on gun skill. Most mediums don’t even know how to utilize defibs properly and it gets their teammates killed a lot. This game purely revolves around quick thinking and communication
If you don’t have a good team to play with this game is insanely annoying. You will get BTFO’d if you are not coordinated with your team and you run up on a team with even a little bit of coordination
Idk what btfo means but I definitely know how you feel lol.
Great Title. I want to tag people onto this, dummies cant adapt.
They should add modes like tdm for the casuals and keep skill based matchmaking out of casual modes but keep it in ranked.i love this game its been a breath of fresh air from modern day shooters that only care about profit
I made it to the end of the video, plat 4 on Xbox over here. I agree a lot with what you had to say. I personally only ever play light in casual games BUT, i do like a powerful inviz.
I love the game so much.. the community for this game complains way to
Much, I’m a light main and idec about the recent nerfs, it’s still a usable and fun class.. but what you said about sweats and try hards is the problem with so many games, another problem is RUclips it’s self, always showing the “new meta “ as soon as it comes out..
I definitely miss the days of people learning and trying things out for themselves instead of only going for what's best.
@@ospuze exactly, I would always use the weirdest classes and just have fun but these days it’s super hard to do that as everyone is trying their heart out 😂
stun gun not shuting down gadets is dumb yea 1000 percent. its not a stun gun its a move slow gun. heavys run ranked.
😂 Move slow gun definitely fits a lot more!
Definitely feel like cloak should be taken out. Going invisible completely takes the skill aspect out of the fight. No matter how good you are, if you can’t see them you’re dead in most encounters, especially with the stun.
Before I even continue watching, great title. I've been asking myself that exact question for a few weeks lol
Really like your videos, and you have great viewpoints I agree with. I haven't played The Finals in a couple of months because I was so frustrated with the randoms I was getting teamed up with. The general lack of awareness and playing the objective was too aggravating for me, so I uninstalled. When I got a chance to play with a couple of my buddies, it was a great time, but I wanted to play more than them, so ended up grouping up with people who appeared to be playing their first FPS game, and didn't understand working together, teamplay, or general strategic decisions.
I haven't experienced too many of the nerfs you pointed out, but I do follow the game through your videos and the subreddit to keep a pulse on how it's going. I may reinstall some day, but my issues with the game were probably more genre-specific or multiplayer specific problems, rather than ONLY The Finals -- ended up installing lots of RPG, single player, and co-op to have a more relaxing time gaming, rather than getting frustrated with poor teamplay. I think this game scratched a FPS itch I hadn't been able to replicate in over a decade, but the frustration during a competitive match being lost due to out of control factors was just too stressful.
I hope the game continues to improve so the community is dedicated, so when I return, I can pick up where I left off.
I would love to see you return, but more importantly, I think it's a great thing that you stepped away and found games that are more relaxing yet enjoyable! I find myself playing VR and co-op games all the time. FPS pvp games are %100 a headache, lol! Thank you for supporting my channel too!
Opinion on the barricade change?
It's bigger.. we all know bigger is better 😉
I'm adapting 😞 I used to get flammed for running barricades, and now my headglitch is gone. It's for the better though!
The most important thing in the game is patients the sounds in this game are top tier you can hear fire fights so I tend to tell new players to wait till the sweats get exhausted and jump them last minute works most times unless they ultra sweaty 300iq players as a medium I like to hang back and support fire and and heal/res if my squad wipes I usually get out of there if I can light is all about being sneaky with hit and run tactics fast reloading weapons no reload with Melee nothing scarier than a dash samurai in the middle of a sweaty fire fight heavy is the most op class they can change the landscape if 4 teams running HHM that game is super sweaty
I enjoyed this breakdown
One of the biggest problems of this game in consoles that embark removed mnk on consoles and nerfes the aim assist . So if iwas playing rank there is no one play this on console so i must turn on crossplay and i must face pc players and "Haks" and thay have the ability to with mnk or controller but console player f$uck No 😞 so thay must work on that
anyone know how to get a space in their username?
RUclips or in game?
Thanks for the games ABOP, GL out there
I think certain guns gadgets and specializations should only be accessible in ranked. Nerfs are usually done for casual players so instead of nerfing things, just make them only accessible if you play ranked.
If a "no lights" mode doesnt come out soon, I will quit playing. Glad I have not spent any money on the game. Want Embark to make a single player game.
A The Finals or Arc Raiders campaign would be amazing!
What an interesting way to say "my aim is so bad I lose 1v1s against a class with 200 less hp"
Amazing content bro💪🏽
Thank you bro!
I recommend for new players to just destroy the environment.
That's end game too! That's where we enter true inner peace!
New subscriber here only issue I have with the game is the invisible inconsistency tired of being deleted by someone you cannot even see in front of or behind you. Other than that I love this game
Thank you for the sub! 😁 Invis is definitely a pain even if it isn't "technically OP"
I don't like it because I just don't like the way if feels to move and jump. It's a little clunky to me. I'm an apex and Titanfall 2 lover. I think the game is more of an acquired taste. I feel like I would have to really play it to enjoy but as of right now I'd just rather play apex. I never liked cod and I think that's why I don't like the game that much. But maybe it will change one day and I'll find the joy.
I think the server side movement is making it feel sluggish at times. It may improve one day!
Trying to squeeze their way into the triple A FPS market as a studio that’s just on the verge of being an Indie studio Embark is working hard and need to keep it up to fight for their space in the market. I love embark and the finals and have faith in the devs who are making something they truly want to enjoy themselves. Great video as always ABOP ❤
Thank you, Low Battery! I love your videos! Embark really does seem to enjoy and love this game! They got this 💪
Not gonna lie, I put off watching this video for multiple days. The title and thumbnail made me think it was going to be a lot more negative and less constructive than it was.
This was a very well thought out video with valid points and unique perspective. It was well worth the watch.
Thank you and thank you for coming back and giving it a watch!
One of my takes on the finals is remove cloak and replace it with recon it makes more sense for light to have it, light is a glass cannon n its easy to die them having info were people is will benefit them and the team not only will light be able to get easy picks with it they can use it to stay hidden and move around and position better
Light already has vanish bomb so invis won't be completely removed and you can use vanishing bomb on teammates so imo better than cloak bc it helps the team out
Edit: they could Also give light a stim pistol as a replacement for cloak (like doc's stim pistol in R6) but instead of healing it makes you move faster/steal faster but takes 50 hp and you can also shoot your teammate and make them move faster and then replace thermal vision with recon making recon a gadget for light it'll pretty much work the same as thermal but doesn't stay for as long
I wouldn't mind invis being replaced by some sort of information gathering, but recon the way it was, was too strong imo.
Don't cook again.
@@ChickenPhobialol
@@ospuzeI agree on that