As a body tech, I can tell you that the rubber head cover is not only to protect the head of the ratchet. It is definitely a great idea to have one on when you are getting close and intimate with a fender or other body part.
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3/8 is far more versatile a size if you're going to shell out $200 for a ratchet. I ended up getting the extended reach version which is slower but has a lot more torque (35 vs. 55 lb-ft). Overall I think the extended reach and extra torque make the tool more versatile and is my recommendation for anyone doing DIY work and who has the budget for just one ratchet. It's not too often the long handle gets in the way, and the length with the steel shaft makes it easy to break stubborn bolts manually if needed. It's slower, but these things are still pretty fast and WAY faster than doing this the old fashioned way.
I have a original brushed 3/8" ratchet and absolutely love that thing. Use it every single day and I'm not nice to it and it's never let me down. I don't like the brushless head size but I wanted the extended reach so I got a 1/4" extended reach. If they come out with a high speed extended reach I will definitely pick up whichever has a smaller head size.
Same I have the original one that came out about 10 years ago w the black head I use it often but sometimes I wish I had that 1/4 inch extended reach because of the reach but nonetheless very useful and handy
Milwaukee killing it with the innovations. This is what these companies should do, listen to their customers! I have brushed 1/4” and 3/8” ratchets both heavily used, my only complaint is the 1/4” lost its detention ball and both eventually have issues with the motor spinning without the head moving (spring tension in the head). But this is after many hours used professionally. I have the larger 3/8” fuel, the power is good but it is slow. I would say it’s a bit more lack lustre, kind of clunky and larger than I want for most applications. I’m looking to replace my 1/4” because of the lack of the detention ball, this high speed model looks like a great upgrade.
I imagine that high speed tool must be fabulous, when it comes to new screws on new, clean vehicles. But if you have to use it on dirty, rusty screws, with threads deformed by excessive torque or dirty with anti-noise mass, you will want the Milwaukee with more force even if it is slower.
I have the old 2457 and it suits me just fine. I’ve thought about “upgrading”, but as a DIY car maintenance/motorcycle mechanic, spending another $200 to get finished a few seconds faster isn’t for me. If I didn’t already have an M12 ratchet, then absolutely. Though I must admit that my OCD is killing me. It’s the only Milwaukee cordless tool that I own that ISN’T a Fuel.
A nut runner. A tool to run nuts on/off, another tool to break lose and another tool to torque to spec. Tool manufacturers love this BS. 3 tools to do one job. As a corporate shareholder I’m lovin’ it.
I use the 1/2 drive version in tight spaces working on heavy equipment there's going to be surface rust, grime or dirt on fasteners so having the extra torque of the Gen 1 fuel helps.. if i got to ratchet all the way by hand defeats the purpose of a powered ratchet plus it can lean on this tool more for cracking stubborn bolts free
I love my Milwaukee High Speed 3/8 ratchet! It’s probably my most used tool. Definitely a purchase I would make again if I didn’t have one already. I highly recommend it!
Milwaukee actually states on their site that the high speed can be used manually (unlike the original m12 fuel). As much as I don't really like destructive tests, it would be interesting to see if the high speed is capable of more manual torque than the original m12 fuel.
Its stated you can use the original m12 fuel ratchet manually also. That's been known for a long time.. Now with this new one they just put it on a commercial saying that.. It's the same mechanism inside the old one as the new one, new one is just smaller.(look at the schematic) same mechanism just smaller on the new one). I would think the last version being it's a bit beefier, that its stronger and will hold up to more manual torque. That said I still want one of these new speed ratchets also..just not sure to go 1/4 or 3/8's..🤔
The original was not FUEL, just the M12. Their FUEL line is more durable. However, I haven't had any problems using the original M12 ratchets and putting a little elbow grease at times.
@@jmackinjersey1 im aware of that, that's why I said "original m12 fuel" some people are calling it the gen one when the actual gen one is the one your talking about.. maybe we should all standardize it from here out and only use there part #'s. lol I apologize, I agree with you thou, the first m12 ratchet is still a good tool👍, I find uses for each different one. Just wish they'd get this new one in stock at homedepo faster!
@@motov8-garage832 Gotcha. But I read your first comment again, and I think I know what you are talking about, but you are a little confused as to what they are talking about. When they say it can not be used manually, they mean that the head will not ratchet. But you can still press/twist on it to loosen the fastener, and it will not hurt the tools. The extended neck Fuel line does allow for manual ratcheting though.
the only problem with these videos is that the bolts and nuts are clean and rust free. when you get a bolt that is rusted that significantly slows down a power tool. I am wondering if the high speed would actually be faster then the regular if it actually was used on a corroded bolt that required more torque.
Thanks for the video. I have the M12 Extended reach FUEL 3/8" and don't use it as often as I thought I would. I also have the original brushed, non FUEL 3/8 ratchet and use it almost every day. I like the feel of the original brushed version. Unfortunately it just broke (head is slipping under slight load) and I just sent it in for warranty. Hopefully they will cover the repair, but if not, I will probably go with this high speed FUEL version 3/8". I think the speed is a huge plus.
Ive been waiting for years to spend money on an electric ratchet, waiting basically for them to get smaller and actually useable on cars... i think its finally time
Personally I think the torque is more important. To use the tool and manually break it free is where you’ll lose a second or 2. Versus the torque on the other one will instantly break it free and run it off. So they are both about equal
These are not intended to break bolts loose! That's what impact wrenches are for! The torque value is basically there letting you know what the head is capable of handling without breaking. Which is why the smaller head has a lower torque value. It's because the gears and paws aren't big enough to withstand high torque loads.
i decided to pick up a Milwaukee electric ratchet a couple weeks ago. I couldnt believe how WAY too big the head on the m12 fuel is. i grabed the old brushed version and i love it. i use it at work as a technician literally every day and it works fantastic. if your debating brushed vs fuel go brushed. the head size makes the fuel unusable
I bought the non fuel due to the head size as well. Was going to try the fuel but I figured they would have an updated version soon. That non fuel still tears stuff up. Probably my favorite everyday tool, excited for the high speed
That's the point that I made in the video. This new high-speed version has a head that is about the same size as the brushed version, and it's much faster. Thanks for watching.
I honestly like all of these tools in the line up brushed, brushless, high speed and extended the one thing I thought they would really spend some time on would be the forward/reverse transmission. If anyone comes out with a push button select to go from forward to reverse they'll definitely get my money.
i still use my first generation 3/8 electric ratchet. 6 months of hard use with no issues. i see no reason to upgrade unless its a longer reach or when it breaks....but i have broken loose wheels on a civic before with it
Man that’s seriously what they needed on these. I use my ratchet a lot at work but I HATE how giant the head is. I just wish they would use the same style trigger that the snap on has. The paddle switch makes the Milwaukee ratchets difficult to hold.
To be honest the standard slower one is actually pretty slow and annoying. I don't use mine much because of that, not really worth upgrading but if you're after a new unit I'd go with the high speed
I thought about doing that, but I really don’t see this as important for a ratchet. It’s not an impact. I think the importance is in the ability to run fasteners on and off quickly. Thanks for watching.
I got the tool bug.... Looking at a tool I don't need at all, but want... For my needs a drill works as a socket all the time, I don't do mechanic work... But here I am wanting one lol. I know many of you relate! Hell even the right angle drill would do this for me, in similar fashion and still be used for something I need for work. But I want em all...
I been a mechanic for 45 years and I can say for a fact if you’re working on something you need to be in that big of rush on you’re gonna have comebacks and you should look at finding a different place of employment. That being said,I like the high speed tho
So true. That’s what there’re promoting to these young tech school graduates, “SPEED”!!! I try to teach them to use a standard hand ratchet, so they can get a “feel” of what there’re doing, instead of over torquing , and breaking bolts, and studs off. I can see some uses for certain jobs, but yeah, I’ll stick to my Snap-on ratchets!!! I rarely use my pneumatic ratchets, but I like the convenience, and speed, so I may have to get one!!!
These new ones are lower torque so there is less chance of breakage. But I totally understand using regular hand tools first to get a feel for things before hitting it with power. For me, the smaller size combined with a brushless motor is more important, and other guys at work have said the 3/8 and especially the 1/4 ones can be too torquey already
You make a very valid point, and any tech should hold quality over speed. That's not the point I was trying to make. We've all had those fasteners that seem like they never end, especially in repetition. That's where speed in a ratchet comes into play. Furthermore, as I mentioned in the video, this high-speed is not for everyone; some will still want the additional torque. Like you mentioned, I will typically choose this high-speed, for the speed and the smaller head. Thanks for watching and for the input.
The clear difference is easy to consider. Im more worried about that bolt that fights the whole way, the torque ratchet would shine. Happens often in the automotive world. Not all nuts/bolts come off like greased diarrhea
Does it have a tighter ratcheting mechanism? I have the extended reach 1/4 but it sucks to use it as a manual ratchet because it moves like 20 degrees before it engages.
Don't feel bad, the old/original ones have great performance and they still have a place on the scale of usability. The great thing about Milwaukee is that they have a few different tools in this category for different purposes. Need a fast spinner but lower torque, higher torque/lower speed, heavy duty/daily use or anything in-between? They have you covered.
I have both the high speed really lacks power even when you break a fastener loose if it has any rust or corrosion or if it's just a long bolt it doesn't have enough power to unscrew the fastener until you have it completely loose and you can turn it by hand at that point it's better to just use a regular ratchet in my opinion. The Gen 2 ratchet is a lot slower however it does have enough power to get that job done without wasting time messing around with the high speed
I wish the heads had a grease zerk on them. The Snap On ratchet has a grease port in the back of the head. With my Fuel ratchet, I take it apart about once a month and clean it out and smoosh fresh grease in there. I like the smaller head, but I wish they'd kept the overall length the same. As short as it is, it looks like the body might get in the way - I already had that problem sometimes with the Fuel ratchet. I don't really mind the decrease in torque so much, a powered ratchet isn't really meant to break things loose, though I would be concerned if it would have enough power to get through some locktite. Either way, they're both absolute winners in my book!
Snap on brute had 70lbs of torque and should break thread lock but they stopped selling it after a year. I think there'll be making a brushless one instead
I thought i wanted to trade in my fuel ratchet for the high speed, but then I got to thinking…. I have laid down some serious torque on my m12 fuel ratchet. Literally hung my body weight from it to brake nuts loose. Can you do that with the smaller head on the high speed?
Truthfully I'm on the fence about this one and I'll tell you why. The first ratchets were very easy to break , I assume that's why they went with the huge head. I'm curious to see if they used stronger internals when you have to break the nut or bolt by hand then use the tool. For now I'm gonna stick with my big slow ratchet until more info becomes available. I will however definitely get the 1/4" model. Great video brother.
The big head on the gen 1 has been a significant limitation for me. I wonder how much abuse the gen 2 head can take when using it manually. That was a problem on the brushed model with the head breaking when too much force was applied. 35 vs 55 foot pounds of torque for gen 2 and gen 1 btw.
At 2:50 in this video, he talked to Milwaukee, and the Gen 2 head handles 175 ft lbs of force...super beefy compared to old version. On other hand the new Gen 2 model (1/4 inch) only handles 60 lbs force before breaking. ruclips.net/video/LNy-qq6zjH0/видео.html
So these are still slower then the makita going by specs. Which they are coming out with an 18v version. Im a little confused about the speed of the makita one as project farm did a video the speed was only like 400 with his little rpm detector tool but then i seen another video where some1 used the same tool and it got jus about 800 like they claim. Do you happen to know the speed of the makita auto ratchet? It should be faster then these as i am confused. I would like to get the makita as i am more invested in makita but only 18v (which is coming soon) compared to jus my 1 m12 right angle impact. Also makita has interchangeable 3/8 and 1/4 head which is nice. Mostly invested in dewalt. Hopefully they will make one
10m nut torque is above 55ftlb recommended, 73Nm. Going down the path of 1/2” its around 2x that. I do a bit of structural steel brackets for equipment, im interested in these, mainly because the first few bolts can be a bit touch and go to tighten off, but if i need to carry a manual ratchet aswell to tighten it after already tightening the nut (ie things still loose and moving) its kinda pointless. I really need to borrow someones unit and see if its what it needs to be…
I just like the compact size! I still use the old brushed one often just because of access issues! When they release a long reach version of this I'll definitely buy one
You're not alone. Many others liked the compact size of the Gen 1, so they kept it around. We agree, the extended version would be a great tool. Thanks for watching.
This is another great addition to the Milwaukee line up. Can't wait to get it. Can you do a SxS with the current speed leader on the blue team? Makita makes a really good all around ratchet, and even though they don't have as much overall torque, I'd like to see how this stacks up against it.
Dont really care about the speed.... just the better ergonomic body and head size reduction alone is a huge improvement. Had the original non fuel version and passed on the 1st gen fuel ratchets due to the bad overall ergonomics and size compared to my Snap On and Matco cordless ratchets. Will definitely add these to collection, hope to also see a long reach design soon.
I was VERY disappointed in my fuel ratchet. The head was so much bigger than the original ratchet I couldn't use the ratchet anywhere I used to use it. If the high speed goes on sale somewhere I'll buy it for sure. I prefer the lower torque of my old ratchet. The large fuel one has way too much torque. I've hurt my hands with it several times.
can we get a comparison with the 1/4 fuel? I've been itching to buy a 3/8 ratchet but didnt like the size of the 3/8 fuel. this new one looks just perfect but is my 1/4 fuel ratchet allowed to be more powerful than this 3/8? Speed isn't the most important thing to me since im not in a shop but i want to get away from using a 3/8 adapter on the 1/4
We have the old 3/8 and the fuel. Both make wrenching tolerable if not fun. Use them on almost every job in the farm shop. Would like to add the high speed!!
The 2567-22 is quicker than than the 2557-22, but only 35 ft. lbs torqe for the 2567-22 versus 55 ft. lbs. torque for the 2557-22. While I would like to see the 2557-22 with a compact head, to me, the torque is more important than speed, so I prefer the 2557-22 over the 2567-22 high speed.
Great review! I had option between gen 1 and 2. Went with gen 1 and love it for 1/4 and 3/8. Gen 2 head was way too big. Gen 1 is definitely more fragile. Can definitely break it if you try.
I was just about to buy a normal fuel ratchet last week but saw your video about the new high speed version and placed my preorder a few days ago. I don’t really need the extra speed. The reduced head size is the biggest selling point for me.
Home Depot is currently doing a crazy sale on Model #2567-21H. Posting this as of today august 3, 2022 and it’s selling for $139.99 for the next 21 hours from the time I’m making this comment for anyone lucky enough to snag one at that piece! Your definitely winning, like myself just picked up my first Milwaukee tool :) Usually a sale this big tells me something, maybe they are about to release a new model and want to unload the old stock ? Whatever the case it’s a steal!!!!
I totally agree with the torque doesn’t matter for breaking loose or tightening. Not what these are for. But... in my work I deal a lot with seat and seat belt bolts. It is often impossible to get my 3/8 impact on these. They are long bolts that are notoriously difficult to remove. Often having blue locktight on them. I like the smaller head of the high speed but does it have enough torque to remove these difficult bolts after they are broke loose?
I know exactly what you're talking about. I grew up in the family business, doing trim (upholstery) and glass work. We were constantly removing seat belt fasteners. They are such a pain, and many times they either have the loctite or that gummy sound-deadener on the threads. In your case, I'd probably Not use the high speed. Those require a good amount of torque the WHOLE way out, and some of them never end. Thanks for watching.
to be honest torque is less of an issue as long as it can run all the bolts fast, in most cases you will either fasten the bolt/nut fully by hand using the tool or torque wrench to a specified torque.
I was expecting the fuel Brushless to easily take off a bolt....was disappointed but I guess manually turning it just to break it free thought I would break it
Yah dude i work on 3 of my old trucks, i got a few little trailers for my toys and yard work then i work on the vacs i run when they go down i use the ratchet with the extra torque, but i dont own really big stuff so i got the m12 3/8 stubby impact with the 250 foot pounds and i love both of them and they work for me.
Not unless you like stripped threads or broken bolts. 😜 The smaller head can help for tight spaces but when you get into tighter spots you also run the risk of the tool smashing your fingers against a firewall/engine/transmission/bracket/etc.
Great Video Tim! I have the original 3/8" and use it a lot, never really felt it was low on power, but I'm just a DIY'er. Now I'm considering this too! You guys know how to spend my money!
Own both and fuel 55 torque and high speed but I personally use the high torque more because the high speed can’t tighten lock nuts over 3/8 or worn bolts the high speed is good for new hardware though
It's not a breaker bar, but it can take a pretty decent amount of force (coming from a gen 1 brushed user). Glad to see Milwaukee listened and made the new one smaller and faster.
have abused my 1/4 non fuel ratchet for 4 years now and i use it everyday as a mechanic. its super reliable havent had any issues with it and its been dropped and taken coolant baths plenty of times. and it still goes strong. just got the new high speed one and am looking forward to torturing it!
That's awesome to hear. These cordless ratchets are more handy than we thought they'd be. You'll love the high speed, but let us know. Thanks for watching.
THANK YOU! I disliked the Gen 2's because of the thickness of the of the rachet head. I will definitely add this Gen 3 too my tool box and service truck
I’ve had my original non fuel for a few years now and I’ve used the Snap-On ratchet too and I’ve never once thought that I wanted more torque then mine has as I always crank on it after, breaking bolts loose the speed is where it’s at as I spin it up and jam it on the nut if it’s too tight to break loose with just the motor and I’ve never had an issue with the power on the old one, the smaller head on the old one is the reason I never “upgraded” but it looks like I’ll be spending some of my doll hairs when this one drops
Hey can you do a comparison/head to head with the Makita 12V ratchet. Since that is the closest speed competitor at an estimated 800RPM. MILWAUKEE guy here! Thanks for the great content.
As a body tech, I can tell you that the rubber head cover is not only to protect the head of the ratchet. It is definitely a great idea to have one on when you are getting close and intimate with a fender or other body part.
Great point! I should have mentioned this in the video. Thanks for watching.
Does it come with this cover in the 2567-22. I ordered it and want to make sure I don't need to order separately.
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3/8 is far more versatile a size if you're going to shell out $200 for a ratchet. I ended up getting the extended reach version which is slower but has a lot more torque (35 vs. 55 lb-ft). Overall I think the extended reach and extra torque make the tool more versatile and is my recommendation for anyone doing DIY work and who has the budget for just one ratchet. It's not too often the long handle gets in the way, and the length with the steel shaft makes it easy to break stubborn bolts manually if needed. It's slower, but these things are still pretty fast and WAY faster than doing this the old fashioned way.
I have a original brushed 3/8" ratchet and absolutely love that thing. Use it every single day and I'm not nice to it and it's never let me down. I don't like the brushless head size but I wanted the extended reach so I got a 1/4" extended reach. If they come out with a high speed extended reach I will definitely pick up whichever has a smaller head size.
Same I have the original one that came out about 10 years ago w the black head I use it often but sometimes I wish I had that 1/4 inch extended reach because of the reach but nonetheless very useful and handy
7:55 idk why it was so funny to me when you put the sleeve on the ratchet. It made it look like a little penguin putting on a hoodie😂
Milwaukee killing it with the innovations. This is what these companies should do, listen to their customers!
I have brushed 1/4” and 3/8” ratchets both heavily used, my only complaint is the 1/4” lost its detention ball and both eventually have issues with the motor spinning without the head moving (spring tension in the head). But this is after many hours used professionally.
I have the larger 3/8” fuel, the power is good but it is slow. I would say it’s a bit more lack lustre, kind of clunky and larger than I want for most applications.
I’m looking to replace my 1/4” because of the lack of the detention ball, this high speed model looks like a great upgrade.
My man got his hands on all the tools the other channels wish they could get their hands on. Props Tim
You’re like the only person to talk about the size of the head, which is like the biggest deal imo
Thank you very much. I agree, this makes it so much more available for tight spots. Thanks for watching.
I call it “the tip”
Its a game changer
That’s what she said!
@@twistedwrench490 grow up bro, I’m talking about when it’s really tight, and you’re trying to get your nut off, but you bottom out..
I imagine that high speed tool must be fabulous, when it comes to new screws on new, clean vehicles. But if you have to use it on dirty, rusty screws, with threads deformed by excessive torque or dirty with anti-noise mass, you will want the Milwaukee with more force even if it is slower.
@Mike Fu HAHAHA!!!!!!! Yes, true mechanics is not for everyone.
I have the old 2457 and it suits me just fine. I’ve thought about “upgrading”, but as a DIY car maintenance/motorcycle mechanic, spending another $200 to get finished a few seconds faster isn’t for me. If I didn’t already have an M12 ratchet, then absolutely. Though I must admit that my OCD is killing me. It’s the only Milwaukee cordless tool that I own that ISN’T a Fuel.
A nut runner. A tool to run nuts on/off, another tool to break lose and another tool to torque to spec. Tool manufacturers love this BS. 3 tools to do one job. As a corporate shareholder I’m lovin’ it.
its also used to break most nuts free, typically under 150ftlbs... so only 2 tools needed maybe one day a torque nut runner will be created
I use the 1/2 drive version in tight spaces working on heavy equipment there's going to be surface rust, grime or dirt on fasteners so having the extra torque of the Gen 1 fuel helps.. if i got to ratchet all the way by hand defeats the purpose of a powered ratchet plus it can lean on this tool more for cracking stubborn bolts free
That makes a lot of sense and a good point. Thanks for watching.
I love my Milwaukee High Speed 3/8 ratchet! It’s probably my most used tool. Definitely a purchase I would make again if I didn’t have one already. I highly recommend it!
I just purchased the 2567-20 myself do u still recommend it
Milwaukee actually states on their site that the high speed can be used manually (unlike the original m12 fuel). As much as I don't really like destructive tests, it would be interesting to see if the high speed is capable of more manual torque than the original m12 fuel.
That's something that we probably should have included in the review. We just hate these videos running longer than 20 minutes. Thanks for watching.
Its stated you can use the original m12 fuel ratchet manually also. That's been known for a long time.. Now with this new one they just put it on a commercial saying that.. It's the same mechanism inside the old one as the new one, new one is just smaller.(look at the schematic) same mechanism just smaller on the new one). I would think the last version being it's a bit beefier, that its stronger and will hold up to more manual torque. That said I still want one of these new speed ratchets also..just not sure to go 1/4 or 3/8's..🤔
The original was not FUEL, just the M12. Their FUEL line is more durable. However, I haven't had any problems using the original M12 ratchets and putting a little elbow grease at times.
@@jmackinjersey1 im aware of that, that's why I said "original m12 fuel" some people are calling it the gen one when the actual gen one is the one your talking about.. maybe we should all standardize it from here out and only use there part #'s. lol I apologize, I agree with you thou, the first m12 ratchet is still a good tool👍, I find uses for each different one. Just wish they'd get this new one in stock at homedepo faster!
@@motov8-garage832 Gotcha. But I read your first comment again, and I think I know what you are talking about, but you are a little confused as to what they are talking about. When they say it can not be used manually, they mean that the head will not ratchet. But you can still press/twist on it to loosen the fastener, and it will not hurt the tools. The extended neck Fuel line does allow for manual ratcheting though.
Now we just need an extended reach version :)
Damn I just bought the normal ratchet now I want the high speed one lol
Bendude me 2 that’s how they get ya 😂
That’s exactly why they release a mediocre tool then release another once sales drop enough because they know customers will want it.
@@whatfreedom7 Which was the mediocre tool?
the only problem with these videos is that the bolts and nuts are clean and rust free. when you get a bolt that is rusted that significantly slows down a power tool. I am wondering if the high speed would actually be faster then the regular if it actually was used on a corroded bolt that required more torque.
Running old stubborn nuts and bolts I need the extra tq. Too tight for the right angle impact. Now using a ratchet which sux.
Thanks for the video. I have the M12 Extended reach FUEL 3/8" and don't use it as often as I thought I would. I also have the original brushed, non FUEL 3/8 ratchet and use it almost every day. I like the feel of the original brushed version. Unfortunately it just broke (head is slipping under slight load) and I just sent it in for warranty. Hopefully they will cover the repair, but if not, I will probably go with this high speed FUEL version 3/8". I think the speed is a huge plus.
Ive been waiting for years to spend money on an electric ratchet, waiting basically for them to get smaller and actually useable on cars... i think its finally time
yes
Personally I think the torque is more important. To use the tool and manually break it free is where you’ll lose a second or 2. Versus the torque on the other one will instantly break it free and run it off. So they are both about equal
These are not intended to break bolts loose! That's what impact wrenches are for! The torque value is basically there letting you know what the head is capable of handling without breaking. Which is why the smaller head has a lower torque value. It's because the gears and paws aren't big enough to withstand high torque loads.
i decided to pick up a Milwaukee electric ratchet a couple weeks ago. I couldnt believe how WAY too big the head on the m12 fuel is. i grabed the old brushed version and i love it. i use it at work as a technician literally every day and it works fantastic. if your debating brushed vs fuel go brushed. the head size makes the fuel unusable
I bought the non fuel due to the head size as well. Was going to try the fuel but I figured they would have an updated version soon. That non fuel still tears stuff up. Probably my favorite everyday tool, excited for the high speed
That's the point that I made in the video. This new high-speed version has a head that is about the same size as the brushed version, and it's much faster. Thanks for watching.
I honestly like all of these tools in the line up brushed, brushless, high speed and extended the one thing I thought they would really spend some time on would be the forward/reverse transmission. If anyone comes out with a push button select to go from forward to reverse they'll definitely get my money.
i still use my first generation 3/8 electric ratchet. 6 months of hard use with no issues. i see no reason to upgrade unless its a longer reach or when it breaks....but i have broken loose wheels on a civic before with it
Man that’s seriously what they needed on these. I use my ratchet a lot at work but I HATE how giant the head is. I just wish they would use the same style trigger that the snap on has. The paddle switch makes the Milwaukee ratchets difficult to hold.
To be honest the standard slower one is actually pretty slow and annoying. I don't use mine much because of that, not really worth upgrading but if you're after a new unit I'd go with the high speed
We agree, the higher speed is a much better experience. Thanks for watching.
Great info, just got mine and realized the difference. Im with you on choosing the faster one and less bulky.
Love these reviews👍🏻 But wish you would of done one test where you check what torque they were able to tighten a nut to.
I thought about doing that, but I really don’t see this as important for a ratchet. It’s not an impact. I think the importance is in the ability to run fasteners on and off quickly. Thanks for watching.
This aint project farm. Haha
Milwaukee says 35 ft/lb. That's the same as the original ratchet. The 1st gen fuel is 55 ft/lb which is just too much.
I got the tool bug.... Looking at a tool I don't need at all, but want... For my needs a drill works as a socket all the time, I don't do mechanic work... But here I am wanting one lol. I know many of you relate! Hell even the right angle drill would do this for me, in similar fashion and still be used for something I need for work. But I want em all...
I been a mechanic for 45 years and I can say for a fact if you’re working on something you need to be in that big of rush on you’re gonna have comebacks and you should look at finding a different place of employment. That being said,I like the high speed tho
So true. That’s what there’re promoting to these young tech school graduates, “SPEED”!!! I try to teach them to use a standard hand ratchet, so they can get a “feel” of what there’re doing, instead of over torquing , and breaking bolts, and studs off. I can see some uses for certain jobs, but yeah, I’ll stick to my Snap-on ratchets!!! I rarely use my pneumatic ratchets, but I like the convenience, and speed, so I may have to get one!!!
These new ones are lower torque so there is less chance of breakage. But I totally understand using regular hand tools first to get a feel for things before hitting it with power. For me, the smaller size combined with a brushless motor is more important, and other guys at work have said the 3/8 and especially the 1/4 ones can be too torquey already
You make a very valid point, and any tech should hold quality over speed. That's not the point I was trying to make. We've all had those fasteners that seem like they never end, especially in repetition. That's where speed in a ratchet comes into play. Furthermore, as I mentioned in the video, this high-speed is not for everyone; some will still want the additional torque. Like you mentioned, I will typically choose this high-speed, for the speed and the smaller head. Thanks for watching and for the input.
The clear difference is easy to consider. Im more worried about that bolt that fights the whole way, the torque ratchet would shine. Happens often in the automotive world. Not all nuts/bolts come off like greased diarrhea
Does it have a tighter ratcheting mechanism? I have the extended reach 1/4 but it sucks to use it as a manual ratchet because it moves like 20 degrees before it engages.
I can't afford these tools so I just enjoy watching these videos
Glad we can help. :) Thanks for watching.
LONG HEAD OPTION on the fast one ❓🤔❓
It's coming
They'll probably be here before long. Thanks for watching.
I don't think they said anything about a long reach version, but I hope it drives down the price of the older long reach.
Didn’t know a new one was coming when got the old one a few months ago.....oh well I guess.
Don't feel bad, the old/original ones have great performance and they still have a place on the scale of usability. The great thing about Milwaukee is that they have a few different tools in this category for different purposes. Need a fast spinner but lower torque, higher torque/lower speed, heavy duty/daily use or anything in-between? They have you covered.
Just bought the 3/8 high speed ratchet. Love it!
Awesome. It's a great ratchet. Thanks for watching.
I have both the high speed really lacks power even when you break a fastener loose if it has any rust or corrosion or if it's just a long bolt it doesn't have enough power to unscrew the fastener until you have it completely loose and you can turn it by hand at that point it's better to just use a regular ratchet in my opinion. The Gen 2 ratchet is a lot slower however it does have enough power to get that job done without wasting time messing around with the high speed
i have the brushed slim head version at work, they beefed up that head cause it get's really warm with regular continuous use
I wish the heads had a grease zerk on them. The Snap On ratchet has a grease port in the back of the head. With my Fuel ratchet, I take it apart about once a month and clean it out and smoosh fresh grease in there.
I like the smaller head, but I wish they'd kept the overall length the same. As short as it is, it looks like the body might get in the way - I already had that problem sometimes with the Fuel ratchet.
I don't really mind the decrease in torque so much, a powered ratchet isn't really meant to break things loose, though I would be concerned if it would have enough power to get through some locktite.
Either way, they're both absolute winners in my book!
Snap on brute had 70lbs of torque and should break thread lock but they stopped selling it after a year. I think there'll be making a brushless one instead
I thought i wanted to trade in my fuel ratchet for the high speed, but then I got to thinking…. I have laid down some serious torque on my m12 fuel ratchet. Literally hung my body weight from it to brake nuts loose. Can you do that with the smaller head on the high speed?
Truthfully I'm on the fence about this one and I'll tell you why. The first ratchets were very easy to break , I assume that's why they went with the huge head. I'm curious to see if they used stronger internals when you have to break the nut or bolt by hand then use the tool. For now I'm gonna stick with my big slow ratchet until more info becomes available. I will however definitely get the 1/4" model. Great video brother.
The big head on the gen 1 has been a significant limitation for me. I wonder how much abuse the gen 2 head can take when using it manually. That was a problem on the brushed model with the head breaking when too much force was applied. 35 vs 55 foot pounds of torque for gen 2 and gen 1 btw.
I dunno how much torque it actually was but I finally broke mine after using it as a small breaker bar for a year and a half or more lol
At 2:50 in this video, he talked to Milwaukee, and the Gen 2 head handles 175 ft lbs of force...super beefy compared to old version. On other hand the new Gen 2 model (1/4 inch) only handles 60 lbs force before breaking. ruclips.net/video/LNy-qq6zjH0/видео.html
So these are still slower then the makita going by specs. Which they are coming out with an 18v version. Im a little confused about the speed of the makita one as project farm did a video the speed was only like 400 with his little rpm detector tool but then i seen another video where some1 used the same tool and it got jus about 800 like they claim. Do you happen to know the speed of the makita auto ratchet? It should be faster then these as i am confused. I would like to get the makita as i am more invested in makita but only 18v (which is coming soon) compared to jus my 1 m12 right angle impact. Also makita has interchangeable 3/8 and 1/4 head which is nice. Mostly invested in dewalt. Hopefully they will make one
What's the number on that tall shift knob for the 2557 ratchet? I can't seem to find it
I got the Kobalt ratchet I just ordered a Milwaukee can’t wait to use it
It's a great ratchet. Much faster. Thanks for watching.
10m nut torque is above 55ftlb recommended, 73Nm. Going down the path of 1/2” its around 2x that. I do a bit of structural steel brackets for equipment, im interested in these, mainly because the first few bolts can be a bit touch and go to tighten off, but if i need to carry a manual ratchet aswell to tighten it after already tightening the nut (ie things still loose and moving) its kinda pointless. I really need to borrow someones unit and see if its what it needs to be…
I just like the compact size! I still use the old brushed one often just because of access issues! When they release a long reach version of this I'll definitely buy one
You're not alone. Many others liked the compact size of the Gen 1, so they kept it around. We agree, the extended version would be a great tool. Thanks for watching.
This is another great addition to the Milwaukee line up. Can't wait to get it.
Can you do a SxS with the current speed leader on the blue team? Makita makes a really good all around ratchet, and even though they don't have as much overall torque, I'd like to see how this stacks up against it.
We will definitley do this soon.Thanks for watching.
Dont really care about the speed.... just the better ergonomic body and head size reduction alone is a huge improvement. Had the original non fuel version and passed on the 1st gen fuel ratchets due to the bad overall ergonomics and size compared to my Snap On and Matco cordless ratchets. Will definitely add these to collection, hope to also see a long reach design soon.
I just gotta say the rubber gloves you use are awesome! By far the best durability for the glove game! Oh great video as well!
Agreed! We just wish that we could get more of them. This COVID mess has really got the rubber glove market messed up. Thanks for watching.
@@Shoptoolreviews I hear ya on that! That’s one of the reasons i tried these gloves out so I can reuse them!
I was VERY disappointed in my fuel ratchet. The head was so much bigger than the original ratchet I couldn't use the ratchet anywhere I used to use it. If the high speed goes on sale somewhere I'll buy it for sure. I prefer the lower torque of my old ratchet. The large fuel one has way too much torque. I've hurt my hands with it several times.
can we get a comparison with the 1/4 fuel?
I've been itching to buy a 3/8 ratchet but didnt like the size of the 3/8 fuel. this new one looks just perfect but is my 1/4 fuel ratchet allowed to be more powerful than this 3/8?
Speed isn't the most important thing to me since im not in a shop but i want to get away from using a 3/8 adapter on the 1/4
We have the old 3/8 and the fuel. Both make wrenching tolerable if not fun. Use them on almost every job in the farm shop. Would like to add the high speed!!
The 2567-22 is quicker than than the 2557-22, but only 35 ft. lbs torqe for the 2567-22 versus 55 ft. lbs. torque for the 2557-22. While I would like to see the 2557-22 with a compact head, to me, the torque is more important than speed, so I prefer the 2557-22 over the 2567-22 high speed.
Is it ok to use chrome sockets with these? I mean as they are not making any impacts, only turning power...and not even that much power.
Great review! I had option between gen 1 and 2. Went with gen 1 and love it for 1/4 and 3/8. Gen 2 head was way too big. Gen 1 is definitely more fragile. Can definitely break it if you try.
Very true. Thanks for watching.
Heck yeah! Faster is better when you need it!
You said it. Thanks for watching.
I wasn't going to upgrade but my packout has the space for it...
I was just about to buy a normal fuel ratchet last week but saw your video about the new high speed version and placed my preorder a few days ago. I don’t really need the extra speed. The reduced head size is the biggest selling point for me.
Home Depot is currently doing a crazy sale on Model #2567-21H. Posting this as of today august 3, 2022 and it’s selling for $139.99 for the next 21 hours from the time I’m making this comment for anyone lucky enough to snag one at that piece! Your definitely winning, like myself just picked up my first Milwaukee tool :)
Usually a sale this big tells me something, maybe they are about to release a new model and want to unload the old stock ? Whatever the case it’s a steal!!!!
That's a great price.
I totally agree with the torque doesn’t matter for breaking loose or tightening. Not what these are for. But... in my work I deal a lot with seat and seat belt bolts. It is often impossible to get my 3/8 impact on these. They are long bolts that are notoriously difficult to remove. Often having blue locktight on them. I like the smaller head of the high speed but does it have enough torque to remove these difficult bolts after they are broke loose?
I know exactly what you're talking about. I grew up in the family business, doing trim (upholstery) and glass work. We were constantly removing seat belt fasteners. They are such a pain, and many times they either have the loctite or that gummy sound-deadener on the threads. In your case, I'd probably Not use the high speed. Those require a good amount of torque the WHOLE way out, and some of them never end. Thanks for watching.
Extended version on this would be great as well.
I have the original m12 3/8 one. Happy with it and personally I don't care much about speed. Milwaukee is not stealing more money from me.
Does the new fuel have a variable speed trigger?
The standard for speed in this segment is the Mikita. It’s rated at 800rpm. Compare the Mikita with Milwaukee high speed.
It's rated at that speed, but it doesn't actually do it. We'll test soon. Thanks for watching.
to be honest torque is less of an issue as long as it can run all the bolts fast, in most cases you will either fasten the bolt/nut fully by hand using the tool or torque wrench to a specified torque.
Agreed! Pretty much the exact thing we said in the video. Thanks for watching.
@@Shoptoolreviews do you know if they will release extended reach version? I feel like in tight spaces it might have clearance issues.
I was expecting the fuel Brushless to easily take off a bolt....was disappointed but I guess manually turning it just to break it free thought I would break it
can you guys compare it to the old brushed one?
It's all in what you need it for best option for me is i need torque over speed
Yah dude i work on 3 of my old trucks, i got a few little trailers for my toys and yard work then i work on the vacs i run when they go down i use the ratchet with the extra torque, but i dont own really big stuff so i got the m12 3/8 stubby impact with the 250 foot pounds and i love both of them and they work for me.
Exactly right. Thanks for watching.
Yezir! It's already spinning faster than I can...
Do you have the part number for the extended head ? Does it fit the 2457-20 ? Thank you
Not unless you like stripped threads or broken bolts. 😜 The smaller head can help for tight spaces but when you get into tighter spots you also run the risk of the tool smashing your fingers against a firewall/engine/transmission/bracket/etc.
Great Video Tim! I have the original 3/8" and use it a lot, never really felt it was low on power, but I'm just a DIY'er. Now I'm considering this too! You guys know how to spend my money!
We're only trying to keep you in the know. lol. We feel your pain. Thanks for watching.
Milwaukee has the 3/8 m12 ratchet and 1/2 m18 impact for 215.42 after tax at home depot deal of the year imo.
Oh with batteries and bag and charger.
Damn that tray has a strong magnet! Sucked the socket off that ratchet quick!
i dont see that all black one anywhere
Would u recommend these in a lube tech shop for oil changes and car battery swaps
Own both and fuel 55 torque and high speed but I personally use the high torque more because the high speed can’t tighten lock nuts over 3/8 or worn bolts the high speed is good for new hardware though
Looking at these 2 I would go Gen 1 for a little more torque over speed as a heavy truck tech just my opinion
Why was your scale set to grams? 🤔
Yola
Nice video!
I wish Dewalt had cordless Ratchet
Dewalt doesn't, but MAC tools does have one that is compatible with the dewalt 12 volt batteries
The speed is less important to me than the size and weight. I find I don't use my FUEL Ratchet much because of that.
The high-speed is a bit lighter. Thanks for watching.
I think it all depends on what kind of work your doing... the size and speed would be more beneficial to me
i..find..it..perfect..for..tight..spaces..thats..it
I’m still running the 1st gen 1/4” so it’s time to upgrade. I passed on the second gen due to head size.
3/8” or 1/2” I’d prefer the higher torque.
if you was going to buy just one which would it be .. ?
Can I use the CP 1.5 On This ratchet are will it not be worth it run time wise
What's the max torque that you can apply by hand, on or off, safely without breaking something?
It would take a lot of force. I’ve had the brushed and gen 1 fuel and have never worried about that
@@reneavila7108 unless aluminum bolt...
It's not a breaker bar, but it can take a pretty decent amount of force (coming from a gen 1 brushed user). Glad to see Milwaukee listened and made the new one smaller and faster.
Where can I buy the socket set??
Great video, appreciate the in depth info.
I'd like to see the speed change on the exstended version but will the higher torque
What socket is that with the coloured lines
have abused my 1/4 non fuel ratchet for 4 years now and i use it everyday as a mechanic. its super reliable havent had any issues with it and its been dropped and taken coolant baths plenty of times. and it still goes strong.
just got the new high speed one and am looking forward to torturing it!
That's awesome to hear. These cordless ratchets are more handy than we thought they'd be. You'll love the high speed, but let us know. Thanks for watching.
@@Shoptoolreviews I’m looking for oane. To work On my own vehicles which oane u recommend
What kind of sockets are those?
THANK YOU! I disliked the Gen 2's because of the thickness of the of the rachet head. I will definitely add this Gen 3 too my tool box and service truck
Let us know what you think about it when you get it. Thanks for watching.
I put mine up for sale today and sold it. Too bulky, heavy and tall. Gen 3 incoming
I’ve had my original non fuel for a few years now and I’ve used the Snap-On ratchet too and I’ve never once thought that I wanted more torque then mine has as I always crank on it after, breaking bolts loose the speed is where it’s at as I spin it up and jam it on the nut if it’s too tight to break loose with just the motor and I’ve never had an issue with the power on the old one, the smaller head on the old one is the reason I never “upgraded” but it looks like I’ll be spending some of my doll hairs when this one drops
Hey can you do a comparison/head to head with the Makita 12V ratchet. Since that is the closest speed competitor at an estimated 800RPM. MILWAUKEE guy here! Thanks for the great content.
We will do this pretty soon. Thanks for watching.
@@Shoptoolreviews Are you still planning on comparing the Makita 12v to the milwauke high speed? looking forward to it
What's the torque on the high speed ratchet ?
35 ft lbs
Yep, 35 lb.ft
What's the highest torque this will break off
Is the Envil's item number correct in the video? 42-06-1030?
I wonder if they'll ever make a m18 version to slim the body up
Hi there ? Are these ratchettes impact? For me its crucial. I cant use impact tools.
No, these are cordless ratchets, NOT impact wrenches or impact drivers. Thanks for watching.
They need to make a through ratchet like makita or an attachment for doing nuts on long stud