I am a 70 year-old woman that appreciate you guys so much. I can’t even put it in words. I thought I was the only person left in my community. Thank you. And this was also from God. I had just talked to somebody about this who was a non-believer and I turned you guys on and I went. Thank you Jesus.
good podcast. thank you of the healthy conversation. this does help the body of Christ. We are just everyday pentecostal believers and need the validation. Mike Bickle came to my church years ago and spoke. He was a friend of our pastor so, with that said he had some validation for the congregation as we trust our pastor. But as he spoke, i kept thinking, there is something not right about this guy. He did not say anything wrong or ungodly, but i kept feeling that there was something odd about him. I did not mention this to anyone in my church but just made a note about it in my spirit. You are right that people in the church tend to shut down the ones that make comments like..." there is something odd about him", so i have learned over my 62 years of being alive that it is better to keep it myself, unless the Lord has me share with specific people. God always brings things out in the open. I would say, the Lord has given me discernment ( i pray daily for it) i love the body of Christ and feel called to build up the body. Thanks for the good conversation, Much prayer going on for the body of Christ through this time of shaking.
I was part of the Jesus Movement in the ‘70s … it was truly glorious but the last 10 yrs or so I’ve separated completely from the charismatics and the NAR movement; it’s so goofy that I don’t recognize my peeps anymore 😢 I’m elated to find you guys; it’s sooo refreshing and breathes such life into my spirit! Thank you so much 😊
I love this show. I have learned some really important things. I went to a bible college and didn't learn some of these basic theological points. We need this in the body to bring balance. TY
🥰 I used to be a big-time Copeland fanatic back in the eighties and then got disillusioned with what I perceived as taking truths of the Word but stretching them to extremes that were basically built to please the flesh or pad their pocket book. How's that for a run-on sentence! :) All that to say, you're really encouraging my wife and I to seek the Lord and renew our commitment to putting Him first. Please pray for us in Oklahoma City to find a home church and pastor who will mentor us to walk with the Lord.
Lots of us are neither cessationists nor into unscriptural charismania. So we are in a similar place, continuists who revere God's written Word and want to obey it. But we still believe that God can speak to us any time or in any manner in which He wants.
Thank you, Minor Prophets and Remnant Radio! Super grateful for both of your ministries. I share Miller's sentiments and have been simultaneously discouraged by how many "Christian leaders" are not who we assumed they were in Jesus (which has been heartbreaking) but also immensely grateful for the exposure and justice and vindication by the LORD for the victims (which has so educated the Body of Christ and healed our wounded hearts). Most of all, I am grateful for how this is revealing the true character of God and eliminating any idolatry of fallen men and women who were abusing the flock and prospering at their flocks' expense (Zechariah 11:4-5).
After being disappointed, I went out and bought the cessationist khundalini spirit accusation books. When I prayed about, I felt challenged with this insight. There is a ditch on both sides of the road, but choosing to live in unbelief limits our fruitfulness in following Jesus individually and corporately.
I want to offer you an interesting confirmation of sorts.... The Lord Used the exact same language to me a few months ago. That The Path is narrow, and that indicates theres a ditch on both sides! He was Speaking generally to me. But very exciting to see the exact same language used!!!
About the story in the Book of Kings of the old prophet, I've always thought that since it's instilled in us, even today, the respect and honor and submission to the elders, that the younger prophet instead of being under the sole orders of the Lord his culture programming took the lead and he probably thought: "Oh! this is a prophet of God, he's older than me, for sure He must hear God better than me. I must submit". At that moment he probably questioned himself and threw his own discernment overboard. He trusted in someone who was supposed to have everyone's interest at heart because he was a prophet. And that's the problem with us today. We trust and submit unquestionably to the office of a prophet and don't even dare to scrutinize them because we have been programmed to think that is a sin against God himself to question his messengers.
if I could just interject it’s not the 40+ crowd biting the dust it’s actually the generation above, the 60+ Crowd. The ones who are seniors or bordering on seniors right now. this is why I’ve named this the “Shift Change”
The problem is that in the "signs and wonders" "God says" and "God told me" charismatic camp, Shawn existed for years and years while everyone else was silent. Shawn stood on stage time and again doing his mentalist tricks alongside Bill Johnson, Kris Valotton, Lou Engle, Mike Bickle, Benny Hinn, Daniel Kolenda, Michael Koulianos, Rodney Howard Brown, Heidi Baker, Todd White and many more. Where was the prophetic when Robert Morris, Mike Bickle, Michael Brown, Chris Reed and Todd Bentley were covering up their affairs and abuse of minors and people under their direct influence? Why do we have to wait to hear it from the victims? What good are the "watchdogs" and "shepherds" when they are blind and worse when they continue to allow wolves to feast on the flock? No good and it's because they're right alongside the wolves feasting and fleecing for themselves. And when one of them gets discovered, again no thanks to the "apostles" or "prophets" but by whistleblowers and victims, they go off the radar and reappear, usually thanks to another false prophet or apostle "restoring" them, for example Rick Joyner. Or they quietly distance themselves like TBN, Sid Roth, Bethel Redding, Morningstar and IHOPKC tried to do. Just scrub their own sites and keep silent, no warning anyone or raising a concern amongst the Body of Christ. Too many times when an advocate group appears for the victims the "leadership" goes on the attack and calls it "sowing division" instead of having true concern and empathy they reflexively protect themselves, very UN-Christlike. This abuse of power has been going on for far too long and MUST be crushed.
The Lord is crushing it now. I liken it to the mainstream press being sidelined and exposed for the liars they are. What happens in the natural will be mimicked in the spirit.🙏
I have a Kenneth Hagin audio from many years ago describing one of his experiences with The Lord. He recounts The Lord telling him OT prophets were given to guide His people because the Holy Spirit had not yet come. OT prophets and certain kings had the over-shadowing of the Holy Spirit not an indwelling. He told him that NT prophets are given for the edification of the Church not to tell us as individuals what to do. We now have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as our personal guide. If a prophet ever tells you something it must bear witness with your spirit before taking any action. Romans 8:14 is the Scripture The Lord gave him. "For those that are led by The Spirit of God these are the sons of God. Prophets only edify. The Holy Spirit guides. Hagin was a true prophet and godly man. The devil has tried his hardest to tarnish his name as well as many others. As a consequence we have far too many charlatans these days masquerading as true men of God. Over the past 20 years I noticed there were a lot of high profile atheists such as Dawkins and Hichens that complained loudly about a God they didn't even believe existed in the first place.
These 4 brothers are a true blessing and treasure to our fellow charismatics! Thanks guys for yielding to the balancing wisdom of God which can (And MUST ) correct the often bizarre misuse and dishonest sophistry and "super-spirituality" pride of life, which sadly is still going on in much of the prophetic community lately! Carry on good brothers! ps..I hope this subject is addressed again very soon on both Minor Prophets and RR...for there seems to be a showdown coming . Maybe it's partially due to the unfolding megalithic crisis at DayStar and how it seems to be a common link with literally hundreds of sensational oriented minstries..so many are focused on wealth reversal,Trump-obsessed woohoo glory experiences, word-faith decree making.... These ministries are out there often doing serious damage by misrepresenting this holy gift of prophecy!!!..(.Yes, some of them are surely absolutely sincere who naively (or disobediently) give ocassionally false prophecies, yet they are NOT a "false prophet " like a Jim Jones, etc.....BUT some are indeed morphing into becoming a dangerous false prophet (Act 20:30) and yet they are still honored by millions of charismatics!!! Not good!!!!) How we ALL need to pray for a house cleansing of our heart and spirit and for more compassion, humility and contrition back at the foot of the blood-drenched Cross!
I'm a Charismatic pastor and I am grieved of how the Charismatic church is being maligned by cessationists. I am glad God is exposing the abuses in the church but it doesn't mean the gifts of the Spirit are not alive and active today. I live in the L.A. area and I am quite glad I did not do any ministry with Shawn Bolz. What area of the U.S. are you guys in?
@@MinorProphetsPodcast Oh wow! We are all over the place! Sometimes I feel like I don't have a tribe but you guys give me comfort with your balanced approach.
@@MinorProphetsPodcast I appreciate the effort you guys are all making to call out abuse and redeem true new Testament prophecy. Would you guys possibly have a way to DM? I respect yout time, as I am sure you are in ministry full time. I just have a couple of questions and I appreciate the insight you both bring (spiritually and cognitively). Thanks!
It’s actually a good thing that the falsehoods are being exposed. The falsehoods and doctrines of demons have to be shown so only truth remains. Sadly cessationists have proven to be right in many instances with the foolishness. Their attitude is often not godly mocking charismatics but can’t blame them for mocking the foolishness. It’s a wake up call for charismatics to fear God and not just speak whatever foolishness is on their mind without accountability. Every continuationist should be seeking God and letting the Lord search their heart to purify and guide them according to the Bible not their own delusions. As a charismatic myself I’ve personally seen more foolishness and fake prophecies than true ones. So I’m glad it’s all being acknowledged as false now because it purifies.
Great episode and agree with the "safe" tribe concept. It truly is what God is doing and those of us who are seeing it are considered suspect or gossips. Concerning the IHOPKC situation,...right after it came out James Goll posted a video warning people not to gossip because he said that when he was there years ago he saw questionable stuff so he left. Then he said as he talked about it and complained--all behind closed doors- he opened a "portal" and he wanted to tell us not to gossip so we didn't open one. Unfortunately, at that time it made sense to me but as God started opening my eyes, I thought "What?" He is the PROPHET so WHY didn't he call it out when he saw it?? He could have saved lots of people pain. I have struggled with that but have come to land on the fact that he did not have the emotional capacity to address it and/or he decided to build his own ministry and convinced himself he was being noble. Since then, he has had some big errors and that does give me some comfort. It's confusing and disheartening...But God is Good and Faithful and will continue to teach us.
Up until a few days ago cessationists weren't even on my radar. I happened onto a YT video last night where a husband and wife team were "outing" Bill Johnson via a teaching he gave. They were concerned with the crass error he was engaging in and cast him as a clever deceiver. I thought I would listen very closely to what Bill was saying. He was teaching about wisdom as written in James. I played back what Bill said over and over again trying to find the error he was supposedly engaging in. Bill was clearly drawing the distinction between worldly wisdom and true Godly wisdom. He was saying that things that appeal to the flesh and desires are considered as wisdom as referenced by James words. They failed to put into context what James was saying by ignoring verses in the very same chapter that framed his thoughts and then hastily cast Bill as Biblically ignorant. I read the comments section. It was abuzz with people thanking them for exposing Bill. I was embarrassed for all of them. PS My esteem for Bill has diminished a bunch in the past several weeks. Regardless, he was indeed rightly dividing the Word on that particular video.
Just a blip on the radar?! I found that incredibly insensitive and ignorant for those of us in the camp of the victims. We didn't just get hurt by the church, we lost everything! We lost our communities, we lost our path and worst of all we lost our purpose in God. YOU STILL HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS! don't speak for us, it isn't just a blip on the radar.
That's a very good an pertinent point. I think, Josh meant in terms of the long scheme of history and God's work in the world. But in terms of people's live, you're right. It is not a small thing.
@MinorProphetsPodcast thanks for the response. However, I still disagree, the final book of the bible is all about this moment. Everything leads up to this last push for the souls and hearts of people. It is not a blip on the radar, to say that is to not understand the moment the church finds itself in. Bless you guys, I think you are great❤️
Could it be safe to say that if a person is in sin . the accurate words they are getting are from another spirit than the Holy Spirit? because their father is Satan? The advisory they are following! Divination often gives correct words. The women following paul and silas. she said truth from a different spirit. Correct words could be from other spirits.
Absolutely could be the case. But Balaam also spoke truth from God yet he was wicked. On the flip side could be another spirit as you see from the demons who cried out to Jesus and spoke accurately that He was the Son of God and the divination as you mentioned like confronting Paul and Silas.
I will say this, Lord Has put me through quite a consecration process, and its clear to me its to keep my input pure. I feel compelled to be very alert to what I watch, etc. Real prophets hate sin because they know the stench that sin is in the Nostrils of The Lord. Biblically, true prophets carry a message of repentance; always with Biblical love which is a desire for humans to be rightly restored to God. Their focus is on The Church and preparing the saints for the work of ministry. Horizon line is always the Return of Christ. ................... I think people operating in a prophetic gifting, that tends to be more for edification of individuals. I think theres been some confusion between words of encouragement and prophecy, though. Im a prophet in a non charismatic church and my pastor gas been great, Lord has Built Trust through Accuracy over time. But out in the body, whooweee the ground is hard. I cannot relate to a church where they put a prophet on a pedestal. Lord is in the process of "outing" me at my church and I still do not dare call myself a prophet to the congregation there. Pardon to prattle on!
700 club does a pretty decent job of what you guys are talking about, Word and Spirit, gordon has done a great job carrying on from his father and they exercise the gifts of the Spirit on camera, they have Regent University and especially love operation blessing and they have managed to stay away from scandals and continue on preaching the gospel all over the world. I think Pat did amass a great net worth before his passing but he was a sharp business person also, just thought I bring some light to them…… cheers
40 plus years in the Charismatic church. From what I've seen from that church today- to include those on this video there is a lot of false teachings (teachers), prophets. There are no scriptures to support the teachings today that any true Word from God would be wrong- none. Prophets in the scripture are 100% correct all the time. You can't teach the Gifts or teach how to use them. The acceptance that you should use God's name in vain (lying a Word from God) on purpose to pass a class is heresy. There are so many problems with the charismatic church that is accepted that it makes the possibility that God would actually speak very hard to overcome. If the Gifts are true for today (I believe they can be) they would look just like Scripture. There are rules for "Tongues" and there aren't 4 kinds of them. There are rules for Prophecy and they are to be judged by the entire body.
This is refreshing. I believe in the gifts, but the abuses are so disheartening. This work is important.
I am a 70 year-old woman that appreciate you guys so much. I can’t even put it in words. I thought I was the only person left in my community. Thank you. And this was also from God. I had just talked to somebody about this who was a non-believer and I turned you guys on and I went. Thank you Jesus.
When we ask questions, it's an opportunity to grow.
So excited! I love the Remnant Radio and Minor Prophets!
good podcast. thank you of the healthy conversation. this does help the body of Christ. We are just everyday pentecostal believers and need the validation. Mike Bickle came to my church years ago and spoke. He was a friend of our pastor so, with that said he had some validation for the congregation as we trust our pastor. But as he spoke, i kept thinking, there is something not right about this guy. He did not say anything wrong or ungodly, but i kept feeling that there was something odd about him. I did not mention this to anyone in my church but just made a note about it in my spirit. You are right that people in the church tend to shut down the ones that make comments like..." there is something odd about him", so i have learned over my 62 years of being alive that it is better to keep it myself, unless the Lord has me share with specific people. God always brings things out in the open. I would say, the Lord has given me discernment ( i pray daily for it) i love the body of Christ and feel called to build up the body. Thanks for the good conversation, Much prayer going on for the body of Christ through this time of shaking.
Thank you, I love listening to both pod casts. I am a life-long Episcopalian. Something, was missing.
Great conversation, guys. You gave proper perspective to the challenges we face, while stirring the water for more true works of the Spirit!
Thanks, Wanda
I was part of the Jesus Movement in the ‘70s … it was truly glorious but the last 10 yrs or so I’ve separated completely from the charismatics and the NAR movement; it’s so goofy that I don’t recognize my peeps anymore 😢 I’m elated to find you guys; it’s sooo refreshing and breathes such life into my spirit! Thank you so much 😊
Two of my all time favorite podcasts together? 😊 🎉
Aww shucks
I love this show. I have learned some really important things. I went to a bible college and didn't learn some of these basic theological points. We need this in the body to bring balance. TY
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I used to be a big-time Copeland fanatic back in the eighties and then got disillusioned with what I perceived as taking truths of the Word but stretching them to extremes that were basically built to please the flesh or pad their pocket book. How's that for a run-on sentence! :)
All that to say, you're really encouraging my wife and I to seek the Lord and renew our commitment to putting Him first.
Please pray for us in Oklahoma City to find a home church and pastor who will mentor us to walk with the Lord.
Lots of us are neither cessationists nor into unscriptural charismania.
So we are in a similar place, continuists who revere God's written Word and want to obey it. But we still believe that God can speak to us any time or in any manner in which He wants.
Thank you, Minor Prophets and Remnant Radio! Super grateful for both of your ministries. I share Miller's sentiments and have been simultaneously discouraged by how many "Christian leaders" are not who we assumed they were in Jesus (which has been heartbreaking) but also immensely grateful for the exposure and justice and vindication by the LORD for the victims (which has so educated the Body of Christ and healed our wounded hearts). Most of all, I am grateful for how this is revealing the true character of God and eliminating any idolatry of fallen men and women who were abusing the flock and prospering at their flocks' expense (Zechariah 11:4-5).
I love to see the growth on this channel. Keep your hearts close to the Father ❤️🔥
After being disappointed, I went out and bought the cessationist khundalini spirit accusation books. When I prayed about, I felt challenged with this insight. There is a ditch on both sides of the road, but choosing to live in unbelief limits our fruitfulness in following Jesus individually and corporately.
I want to offer you an interesting confirmation of sorts.... The Lord Used the exact same language to me a few months ago. That The Path is narrow, and that indicates theres a ditch on both sides!
He was Speaking generally to me. But very exciting to see the exact same language used!!!
Please continue to shine the light 🙏!
About the story in the Book of Kings of the old prophet, I've always thought that since it's instilled in us, even today, the respect and honor and submission to the elders, that the younger prophet instead of being under the sole orders of the Lord his culture programming took the lead and he probably thought: "Oh! this is a prophet of God, he's older than me, for sure He must hear God better than me. I must submit". At that moment he probably questioned himself and threw his own discernment overboard. He trusted in someone who was supposed to have everyone's interest at heart because he was a prophet. And that's the problem with us today. We trust and submit unquestionably to the office of a prophet and don't even dare to scrutinize them because we have been programmed to think that is a sin against God himself to question his messengers.
Good point
Whattt!! This is awesome
Glad I have a tribe!
if I could just interject it’s not the 40+ crowd biting the dust it’s actually the generation above, the 60+ Crowd. The ones who are seniors or bordering on seniors right now. this is why I’ve named this the “Shift Change”
@ because he made a comment about 40+ that are biting the dust
The problem is that in the "signs and wonders" "God says" and "God told me" charismatic camp, Shawn existed for years and years while everyone else was silent.
Shawn stood on stage time and again doing his mentalist tricks alongside Bill Johnson, Kris Valotton, Lou Engle, Mike Bickle, Benny Hinn, Daniel Kolenda, Michael Koulianos, Rodney Howard Brown, Heidi Baker, Todd White and many more.
Where was the prophetic when Robert Morris, Mike Bickle, Michael Brown, Chris Reed and Todd Bentley were covering up their affairs and abuse of minors and people under their direct influence?
Why do we have to wait to hear it from the victims?
What good are the "watchdogs" and "shepherds" when they are blind and worse when they continue to allow wolves to feast on the flock? No good and it's because they're right alongside the wolves feasting and fleecing for themselves.
And when one of them gets discovered, again no thanks to the "apostles" or "prophets" but by whistleblowers and victims, they go off the radar and reappear, usually thanks to another false prophet or apostle "restoring" them, for example Rick Joyner.
Or they quietly distance themselves like TBN, Sid Roth, Bethel Redding, Morningstar and IHOPKC tried to do. Just scrub their own sites and keep silent, no warning anyone or raising a concern amongst the Body of Christ. Too many times when an advocate group appears for the victims the "leadership" goes on the attack and calls it "sowing division" instead of having true concern and empathy they reflexively protect themselves, very UN-Christlike.
This abuse of power has been going on for far too long and MUST be crushed.
The Lord is crushing it now. I liken it to the mainstream press being sidelined and exposed for the liars they are. What happens in the natural will be mimicked in the spirit.🙏
I have a Kenneth Hagin audio from many years ago describing one of his experiences with The Lord. He recounts The Lord telling him OT prophets were given to guide His people because the Holy Spirit had not yet come. OT prophets and certain kings had the over-shadowing of the Holy Spirit not an indwelling. He told him that NT prophets are given for the edification of the Church not to tell us as individuals what to do. We now have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as our personal guide. If a prophet ever tells you something it must bear witness with your spirit before taking any action. Romans 8:14 is the Scripture The Lord gave him. "For those that are led by The Spirit of God these are the sons of God. Prophets only edify. The Holy Spirit guides. Hagin was a true prophet and godly man. The devil has tried his hardest to tarnish his name as well as many others. As a consequence we have far too many charlatans these days masquerading as true men of God. Over the past 20 years I noticed there were a lot of high profile atheists such as Dawkins and Hichens that complained loudly about a God they didn't even believe existed in the first place.
Remnant Radio sounds like my people!
These 4 brothers are a true blessing and treasure to our fellow charismatics! Thanks guys for yielding to the balancing wisdom of God which can (And MUST ) correct the often bizarre misuse and dishonest sophistry and "super-spirituality" pride of life, which sadly is still going on in much of the prophetic community lately! Carry on good brothers!
ps..I hope this subject is addressed again very soon on both Minor Prophets and RR...for there seems to be a showdown coming . Maybe it's partially due to the unfolding megalithic crisis at DayStar and how it seems to be a common link with literally hundreds of sensational oriented minstries..so many are focused on wealth reversal,Trump-obsessed woohoo glory experiences, word-faith decree making.... These ministries are out there often doing serious damage by misrepresenting this holy gift of prophecy!!!..(.Yes, some of them are surely absolutely sincere who naively (or disobediently) give ocassionally false prophecies, yet they are NOT a "false prophet " like a Jim Jones, etc.....BUT some are indeed morphing into becoming a dangerous false prophet (Act 20:30) and yet they are still honored by millions of charismatics!!! Not good!!!!)
How we ALL need to pray for a house cleansing of our heart and spirit and for more compassion, humility and contrition back at the foot of the blood-drenched Cross!
I'm a Charismatic pastor and I am grieved of how the Charismatic church is being maligned by cessationists. I am glad God is exposing the abuses in the church but it doesn't mean the gifts of the Spirit are not alive and active today. I live in the L.A. area and I am quite glad I did not do any ministry with Shawn Bolz. What area of the U.S. are you guys in?
Jeff is in Texas, I am in Michigan, Miller is in Colorado, and Josh is in Oklahoma.
@@MinorProphetsPodcast Oh wow! We are all over the place! Sometimes I feel like I don't have a tribe but you guys give me comfort with your balanced approach.
@@MinorProphetsPodcast
I appreciate the effort you guys are all making to call out abuse and redeem true new Testament prophecy. Would you guys possibly have a way to DM? I respect yout time, as I am sure you are in ministry full time. I just have a couple of questions and I appreciate the insight you both bring (spiritually and cognitively). Thanks!
It’s actually a good thing that the falsehoods are being exposed. The falsehoods and doctrines of demons have to be shown so only truth remains.
Sadly cessationists have proven to be right in many instances with the foolishness. Their attitude is often not godly mocking charismatics but can’t blame them for mocking the foolishness.
It’s a wake up call for charismatics to fear God and not just speak whatever foolishness is on their mind without accountability. Every continuationist should be seeking God and letting the Lord search their heart to purify and guide them according to the Bible not their own delusions. As a charismatic myself I’ve personally seen more foolishness and fake prophecies than true ones. So I’m glad it’s all being acknowledged as false now because it purifies.
Email me at jonmarkbakerministries@gmail.com
Any so called prophet That is money minded.
It's not a prophet. He's a Loss.😮😮😮
“And when the apostle goes away, let him take nothing but bread until he lodges; but if he ask money, he is a false prophet.” - from the Didache.
Great episode and agree with the "safe" tribe concept. It truly is what God is doing and those of us who are seeing it are considered suspect or gossips. Concerning the IHOPKC situation,...right after it came out James Goll posted a video warning people not to gossip because he said that when he was there years ago he saw questionable stuff so he left. Then he said as he talked about it and complained--all behind closed doors- he opened a "portal" and he wanted to tell us not to gossip so we didn't open one. Unfortunately, at that time it made sense to me but as God started opening my eyes, I thought "What?" He is the PROPHET so WHY didn't he call it out when he saw it?? He could have saved lots of people pain. I have struggled with that but have come to land on the fact that he did not have the emotional capacity to address it and/or he decided to build his own ministry and convinced himself he was being noble. Since then, he has had some big errors and that does give me some comfort. It's confusing and disheartening...But God is Good and Faithful and will continue to teach us.
Up until a few days ago cessationists weren't even on my radar. I happened onto a YT video last night where a husband and wife team were "outing" Bill Johnson via a teaching he gave. They were concerned with the crass error he was engaging in and cast him as a clever deceiver. I thought I would listen very closely to what Bill was saying. He was teaching about wisdom as written in James. I played back what Bill said over and over again trying to find the error he was supposedly engaging in. Bill was clearly drawing the distinction between worldly wisdom and true Godly wisdom. He was saying that things that appeal to the flesh and desires are considered as wisdom as referenced by James words. They failed to put into context what James was saying by ignoring verses in the very same chapter that framed his thoughts and then hastily cast Bill as Biblically ignorant. I read the comments section. It was abuzz with people thanking them for exposing Bill. I was embarrassed for all of them. PS My esteem for Bill has diminished a bunch in the past several weeks. Regardless, he was indeed rightly dividing the Word on that particular video.
19:20 what a coincidence. I got blocked by Jeremiah Johnson for critiquing his prophecies too
It is your time to lead. Do reject the opportunity.
Just a blip on the radar?! I found that incredibly insensitive and ignorant for those of us in the camp of the victims. We didn't just get hurt by the church, we lost everything! We lost our communities, we lost our path and worst of all we lost our purpose in God.
YOU STILL HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS!
don't speak for us, it isn't just a blip on the radar.
That's a very good an pertinent point. I think, Josh meant in terms of the long scheme of history and God's work in the world. But in terms of people's live, you're right. It is not a small thing.
@MinorProphetsPodcast thanks for the response. However, I still disagree, the final book of the bible is all about this moment. Everything leads up to this last push for the souls and hearts of people.
It is not a blip on the radar, to say that is to not understand the moment the church finds itself in.
Bless you guys, I think you are great❤️
Could it be safe to say that if a person is in sin . the accurate words they are getting are from another spirit than the Holy Spirit? because their father is Satan? The advisory they are following! Divination often gives correct words. The women following paul and silas. she said truth from a different spirit. Correct words could be from other spirits.
Absolutely could be the case. But Balaam also spoke truth from God yet he was wicked. On the flip side could be another spirit as you see from the demons who cried out to Jesus and spoke accurately that He was the Son of God and the divination as you mentioned like confronting Paul and Silas.
I will say this, Lord Has put me through quite a consecration process, and its clear to me its to keep my input pure. I feel compelled to be very alert to what I watch, etc. Real prophets hate sin because they know the stench that sin is in the Nostrils of The Lord. Biblically, true prophets carry a message of repentance; always with Biblical love which is a desire for humans to be rightly restored to God. Their focus is on The Church and preparing the saints for the work of ministry. Horizon line is always the Return of Christ.
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I think people operating in a prophetic gifting, that tends to be more for edification of individuals. I think theres been some confusion between words of encouragement and prophecy, though.
Im a prophet in a non charismatic church and my pastor gas been great, Lord has Built Trust through Accuracy over time. But out in the body, whooweee the ground is hard. I cannot relate to a church where they put a prophet on a pedestal. Lord is in the process of "outing" me at my church and I still do not dare call myself a prophet to the congregation there.
Pardon to prattle on!
I'd love to attend the San Diego conference, but the cost is too much.
700 club does a pretty decent job of what you guys are talking about, Word and Spirit, gordon has done a great job carrying on from his father and they exercise the gifts of the Spirit on camera, they have Regent University and especially love operation blessing and they have managed to stay away from scandals and continue on preaching the gospel all over the world. I think Pat did amass a great net worth before his passing but he was a sharp business person also, just thought I bring some light to them…… cheers
Hey, would you guys reach out to Brother John Elving from Canada? He needs discipleship.
I like y’all Josh!
😂😂😂 the last 5 minutes
Makes me wonder if the Apostle John got static for penning Revelation 2&3?
Can you recommend a healthy church in the Detroit area?
JonMark is a pastor on staff at Roots Church. Rootsag.org
40 plus years in the Charismatic church. From what I've seen from that church today- to include those on this video there is a lot of false teachings (teachers), prophets. There are no scriptures to support the teachings today that any true Word from God would be wrong- none. Prophets in the scripture are 100% correct all the time. You can't teach the Gifts or teach how to use them. The acceptance that you should use God's name in vain (lying a Word from God) on purpose to pass a class is heresy. There are so many problems with the charismatic church that is accepted that it makes the possibility that God would actually speak very hard to overcome. If the Gifts are true for today (I believe they can be) they would look just like Scripture. There are rules for "Tongues" and there aren't 4 kinds of them. There are rules for Prophecy and they are to be judged by the entire body.