How to refill Thermacell radius.
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- In this video I show you how to refill the cartridge from my thermacell radius. Doing this will save you money by not having to buy replacement cartridges. The mixture that I have been using for my older thermacell seems to work fine. That ratio is 1:6 of Permeation 10 and water. I would use this ratio with a couple drops of blue food coloring on the pads. I’m using this ratio without food coloring for the new radius.
Here is what I do… Go to any Tractor Supply and get a bottle of Permethrin 10%. Mix Permethrin 5 to 1 with water. (5 parts distilled water to 1 part permethrin) I use an eyedropper type medicine dropper and only mix up a small amount at a time. Pull out the wick of empty canister. Refill canister with Permethrin 5 to 1 mixture. The original wick is just compressed paper so the Permethrin will deteriorate the original wick. You will need to replace it with something else. I have found the round bamboo chopsticks from a Chinese Restaurant are the right diameter and hold up really well. I just cut a piece of the chopstick the same length as the wick and carefully insert it back in the canister using the original rubber O-ring.
Shit I ordered a quart of 36.8%...I don't mind I guess its a 19 parts water to 1 part super permethrin lifetime supply 😅 thanks for the detailed info brother in frugality
It wouldn’t be so bad if they weren’t so greedy and charged a fu#king fortune for refills. I’m happy I found this.
What IS the fluid and where can I get it?
FABULOUS...however, there are so many comments here, hoping someone can just tell me what is the chemical we need to refill?
【Safe & Affordable】--The main ingredient of refill is citronella oil.. I believe, which is non-toxic and harmless. So the essential oil maybe!
@nhiggbone not even close. The mixture is listed in his video description. However, don't use water like he suggests but mineral oil instead. Water will cause the wick to dissolve.
Metofluthrin 5.5% is the active ingredient listed on their website. I think mixing it with propane glycol is the best option (same thing in vapes)
Drill a small hole and create a plug for the hole.
good idea!
Great video, thanks for sharing.
Please let us know what type of repellent fluid did you use to refill them 😅
wow, crazy how easy it is and how helpful it is. amazing product too.
What fluid do you use? The disassembly and reassemble are great to see, but seriously? What we want to save on is the fluid. What did you use to refill guy?
A gentleman and a scholar
What do you refill it with?
The active ingredient in the repellent, metofluthrin, is based on a naturally occurring repellent found in the chrysanthemum flower, which has historically been used to fight insects, according to Kyle Adelman, marketing manager for Thermacell.
Permethrin 10 is what the poster says he used to refill. Metofluthrin is similar to permethrin, in that it is a type of pyrethroid and is not to be used directly on the skin.
Keep reading old comments on this video, some people have tried various solutions with.. unclear results.. but it's a starting point.
I’ve been looking for metofluthrin and haven’t found any - what are you refilling with?
@@Inspire54WebDesign he tells you in the description comments.
Problem is, permethrin that's petrolium based does not mix with water and the wick gets destroyed. I'm using Coleman camp stove fuel that's basically napthalin to dilute it. Works so far.
@@flyguytruckguy you are diluting permethrin with the Coleman camp fuel and it works? What ratio are you doing?
You missed the part where you actually tell us what your refilling it with, you know, the most important part of the video presumably?
Stupid question but to clarify, for every x amount of permethrin I put, use dilute it with 6x water correct?
Cool idea, but I’m not mixing up some chemicals to spread into the air I breath. I’ll pay for the refills.
what do you think the refill is? It's chemicals to spread into the air you breath.
Hell yeah! I might try this.
I'm not convinced it is safe to replace Allethrin (area repellent that is dispersed into the air) with Permethrin (recommended for use on clothing, shoes, bed nets, and camping gear).
When did he say to use that?
@@ministryofwrongthink6962 pinned comment at top
What is long term feedback on refill method. Does it have same performance as original
Thank you for watching and for all of those who have commented. For the old Thermacell with the pads use Permethrin 10 (1:6 ratio) in a vape liquid squirt bottle. I have used Permethrin in this Radius and it ate away the wick. Permethrin is a water based insect repellant and Thermacell used an oil based for this new Radius. I haven't attempted it yet, but i plan to try the wood wicks for the house scented liquids to see if that will work.
Any idea what I can replace the wick with?
Hey, Did you found any other alternative which is oil based and not eaten the wick?
Hey, Did you found any other alternative which is oil based and not eaten the wick?
Mike what did you find out for the correct repellant for the radius? Come on don't leave us hanging.....
TIKI Brand BiteFighter Mosquito Repellent Torch Fuel for Outdoors does the job also
This guy hasn’t replied to anyones questions after a year of being posted. Whatever he did ended up probably killing him. I’ma have to pass on this dudes DIY
Thanks dude! Thermacell is such assholes for making this stuff the way they do. They constructed a whole sales scheme to keep you buying their products and just using stuff and creating more and more garbage and a dependence system upon them. I just bought the regular one and I immediately thought that I should buy butane and try to refill the capsules. How did you do that and reuse the cards what are you using and how? What's the fluid to refill the capsule in this video?
Great video Mike how does 13.3% vs 22% Oem how did are we able to get to that level?
Cool but I think the real question we all have is “what to we fill it with”?
I make reppelent with oils and it works fine. Can you refill with oil-mixtures?
What are you refilling it with though
He’s using Permethrin 10
He’s using Permethrin 10%
Durvet Permethrin 10%, 8oz www.amazon.com/dp/B007TA5QNA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_021SHX1FXAH2GE1SVKRQ
1 part permethrin and 6 parts water - at least that’s what he said his mix is
Going to try, let you know how it works. TIKI Brand BiteFighter Mosquito Repellent Torch Fuel for Outdoors
Works great, wick is still like new. Works great.
Hey mate any update 3 months later on how it’s working for you? And do you find that the radius is just as wide as the metofluthrin liquid?
It works great, one bottle of TIKI lasted all summer and still plenty left, you will like it !@@ToeJamHamiltoe
I was just wondering if that would work. Thanks for letting us know.
@@Whatsagirltado You want go wrong, I just keep forgetting to turn it off. We use two at the same time, no mosquitos or black nats.
Excellent video and all but WHAT do you use to refill it with?? Need a product name.
its in the description
this might be a stupid question, but what product are you refilling it with?
permethrin 10
website states active ingredient is Metofluthrin 5.5%
What type of fluid can be used to refill it ty in advance
I’ve been looking for metofluthrin and haven’t found any - what are you refilling with?
I'm using permethrin 10 from Tractor Supply and Coleman camp stove fuel to dilute.
@@flyguytruckguy Appreciate the tips. Can you provide more details on how you mix the two chemicals? Ratio? Method? Process? Thanks
@@philip8788 Pretty simple. Measuring by volume using a 10 cc syringe. Wearing PPE (Face shield gloves etc.) outside in case I spill anything. Determine the total volume of the refill and divide by two. Equal parts Permethrin and stove oil. The Permethrin has it's own dispenser well on the bottle, so I draw up the required amount and put it in the refill. I pour a small quantity of stove fuel in a small container and then use the syringe again. This way next use of the syringe, it should be good to go again. Put the wick back in carefully and agitate. slightly. Been running all summer with zero issues. Keeps the mosquitoes away.
@@flyguytruckguy I will try this.
Does anyone know if you can buy metofluhrin or permethrin in Ontario canada?
You cannot purchase bulk metofluthrin, only hack via cartridges. This is not cost effective. See review “It has been determined that transfluthrin vapors had the highest overall toxicity against the four species. Meperfluthrin and metofluthrin vapors demonstrated comparable toxicity. Prallethrin and metofluthrin vapors were similarly toxic against Ae. albopictus, but prallethrin was less toxic than metofluthrin against the other
species.” FDACS Project P0010729
Any luck?
Where can I buy the Metofluthrin?
Thanks for showing us..
You forgot to tell us what to refill it with. I’m assuming Metofluthrin 5.5% but I’m having a hard time finding this. Did you find this ingredient and if so, where?
Were you able to find the metofluthrin? I can’t find it either.
Permethrin 10 is basically the same thing. Petrolium based so I dilute with camp stove fuel. Napthaline.
I can't find Metofluthrin by itself either, only as part of a bed bug fighting system...
@@flyguytruckguypermethrin isn’t the same thing. It us a different chemical and toxic to cats.
The active ingredient in the liquid/wick style thermacels is called Alletherin. It is not available for consumer purchase. Broan Nutone made a product (Haven) that had large volume refills for cheap but it's recently been discontinued.... Not sure what I will be doing in the future.
Actually, it's Metofluthrin.
@sputnam7908 yep, you're correct. Not sure why I thought it was Allethrin in the thermacell units. But it was definitely used in the Haven units, because I still have the Haven refill kit and have been transferring it to the thermacell 40hr refills that I have.
I used the 6:1 ratio. It completely dissolved the wick. Is there another mixture so that doesn't happen?
1:6 , that is one part aka drop, spoon ,oz to 6 parts water aka drop, spoon , oz
Permertiten 10 is only 10%, and that gets cut by 6, final percentage is 1/60th permertiten aka 0.0166 aka 1.066%
If you use 6 drops P, and 1drop water the mix is 36x stronger
If your source is stronger say 13% { 1/3 stronger} you need to use only 1 drop P, to 8 drops water,
Aka 1spoon to 8 spoons water
@@draizwrm sorry. I switched the numbers. I am using 1 part permitherin 10% to 6 parts water.
And the wick completely dissolved.
fwiw, the product warnings/notes from the EPA label review sheet seem to imply that water can damage the wick, It says something like to keep the refills in a dry location and do not leave them out in the rain. If it gets wet, check the wick for damage before use.
Perhaps they use petrolium distillate for most of the other 94.5% of the solution
Can any one share what chemical to be refill ? Thanks
its in the description
When you get the Permeation 10, do you dilute it with water before refill or use the concentrate? And is it safe in the patio while people are eating?
That's not what the machine uses tho
Permethrin is basically the same thing. Problem is that you can't dilute it with water. I'm using napthaline now to dilute. Brand I use is Coleman camp stove fuel.
@@flyguytruckguycan you explain exactly how you do that? Where do you get napthaline? Thanks
@@pistachiobooty Naphthalene is white gas or camp stove oil. I used this because the original product uses a high distillate. The 10% permethrin mixes well but I"m still not sure about wick life. Once I have another empty, I"m going to try propylene glycol as it mixes well with water based products. It's used in candle making and you can get it at any Michael"s or vape supply.
@@flyguytruckguy have you tried propylene glycol
SWEET!!!
Good video. I tried in the past and in deed the wick broke. I did refill with permethrin but i didn't see smoke coming out and didn't see the level of the permethrin going down. Shall we mix with fogging oil or any other oil?
Not oil the wick will desolve
The solvent used in the Thermacell branded refills is "petroleum distillate", which could be anything from mineral spirits to naphtha, or a blend.
Napthaline seems to work so far. Coleman camp stove fuel.
thank you
The refills from Thermacell are advertised as lasting 40 hours. The device can be set to shut off after 2 hours. If used daily (as at our home) that’s 20 days. The refills cost about $20. To me, considering how effective the Radius is, a dollar a day is worth it. Who knows what the alternative chemicals will do or smell like? I’ve used Thermacell mosquito repellents for more than 10 years. With its auto shut off feature Radius is way cheaper then the ones using gas cartridges (that I never remembered to turn off). Just a thought
Key words “are advertised as lasting 40 hours”. I used to think one day I’d grow up and marry Kathy Ireland and live out my days as her house husband and taking care of our 18 kids with out a care in the world. Then Reality tapped me on the shoulder and begged to differ with me. I ended up marrying the third hottest cheerleader and proud meth queen from high school....yep her name was Cathy and we got hitched in Ireland, Indiana on our way to a court appearance she was late for. Thankfully there weren’t 18 kids (by me, and yes I took paternity tests) when we divorced 16 months later.
Anyhow, to the OP, thank you for the video and giving guys like me a second chance to be great...even if just for one night of cheap, mosquito (and ex-wife) free, fun outdoors. You sir, are a Gentleman and a scholar and I’m going to ask Cathy to name her next viable birth in your honor. (Unfortunately we still talk because she hasn’t given me all the things back that she took apart to sell...and a court order is a court order...🤷🏽♂️
You want to spend a dollar a day? Go for it. I'll spend a penny a day instead.
What do you fill it with?
OMG I WAS WONDERING THE SAME EXACT THING...I THOUGHT THIS VIDEO WOULD HELP BUT I GUESS HE FORGOT TO MENTION THAT
@@holyscience3763 I tried a couple things. I assumed pine scent was part of it as well as citronella. So I got both essential oils, mixed them together and tried it. It had SOME effect, but definitely not as potent. So my research continues on.
fill with what
@ mike soehren I have permetherin concentrate (13.3 % permetherrin 86.7 % petrolium distillate) my plan is to try diluting it with water but in a 12/1 water/permetherin ratio due to the concentrate. It tuned a milky cloudy colour do you normaally see that?
Please let us know how things turn out. Looking ar getting the 10% permethrin from tractor supply.
The 1/2% AKA 0.5% Permetherin Repellent I purchased is cloudy right from the bottle, I just refilled the OEM 12 HR cartridge without diluting it and turned it on, the solution from the bottle is weaker than Mikes mix, will post back on effectiveness and condition of the wick
@@draizwrm Any update on the wick status and effectiveness of the mix?
@@darkstar1007 the home made "cord wick" does work, but only get 2 refill uses, the wick gets so saturated that it becomes impossible to insert it back into the container,(the strands are only twisted together not a ready made woven lamp wick) and I have too cut a new one, the Picairdin repellent seems to be effective , but possibly not as effective as the original , better than the Permetherin in my observations, which still did NOT diffuse even with the cord wicks
Still trying to improve the wick, I'm pretty sure the OEM wick is made of compressed saw dust, wood will absorb/wick oils with out rotting, but WATER will destroy chipboard and cheap desks cabinets etc. Made from pressed fiber board, need to get over to a crafts store and see what might be available to try out, if I see a scented oil with reeds air freshener in cvs rite aid etc.. I'll get one just so I can try using "reed" for the wick
I put a 1/4 inch stub of OEM wick in a medicine cup with 90% isopropyl alcohol and left it all night, 12 hours later it was still in intact, so I put it in a 50/50 mix of Picairdin spray and 90% alcohol, after a few hours it was still whole, Not dissolving not breaking up
I just put the the Picairdin ISO mix In the empty 40HR refill container with the original OEM wick and turned it on, will post update tomorrow
What liquid do you put in . Where can we find ?
I guess this would work just the same with the refill for the rechargeable E55, since the format is interchangeable.
But I saw a Thermacell rep state that although the Radius and E55 ("Rechargeable") are interchangeable, the refills for the E55 are rated to cover 20 feet, whereas the Radius are rated for 10 feet. Those E55 ones are almost impossible to find in stock.
Do you have any idea how the E55 formula would be different from the Radius to get the maximum 20ft coverage?
according to thermacell website both units use the same refill
E55 labeled refill has higher concentration of Metofluthrin (5.5%), vs the "Radius" labelled refills that have 4.0% concentration. This is the only difference between the two regarding the marketing claims for coverage area. After warmup, Radius will perform the same as E55 if used with the new higher concentration refills.
@@DDSPL15 Perfect, thanks!
@@WillisZzz I’ve been looking for metofluthrin and haven’t found any - what are you refilling with?
where can I purchase Permeation 10
U da man
Anyone been able to find a solution that doesn't destroy the wick?
Wish I knew that before I destroyed my wick. Using Permethrin 10 diluted with camp stove fuel. (napthaline)
@@flyguytruckguy what’s the proportion? 1:10?
@@martintrepanier5783 it is 10%,so if I want 5% I dilute 50/50. Ran it 8 hours yesterday (I have two of them) and had excellent results. The wick still looks like new after a month.
thanks for showing this. Any idea where to get the Metofluthrin fluid?
Yes you can get permethrin 10 at most feed/grain stores. I picked mine up at tractor supply for $20 i refill for a buddy and myself and we still haven’t gone through a 1/4 of the bottle in 2 years.
@@mikesoehren5889 wow thank you for this video. I just bought mine 3 weeks ago and already went through the cartridges.
@@mikesoehren5889 Just picked one of these up and had the same thought. Thanks for doing the leg work! The OEM concoction is 22% Allethrin? Anyone know a source?
@@mikesoehren5889 we use the same for ours but found that it completely deteriorates the wick. It basically dissolves to mush. We are using a 6:1 ratio. Have you experienced this with the radius wick?
Alibaba. You can get 1kg of 96% for ~100usd (but must buy 100kg+)?
I have no other information of use. Only thing I could find which you could make your own solution with thus far are similar to above, intended for formulating only. Nothing in portions around a liter intended to be sold to consumers. Just small packs/refills for specific products or near pure concentrate in a 25kg barrel with special disposal and handling instructions
Quick Disclaimer:
Most of these refills are not meant to work with a water based mixture.
Here's a breakdown of a locally available vaporizer solution sold in stores for context:
1. Understanding the Chemicals:
Pyrethroids used:
- Prallethrin:
A type of pyrethroid, used for its high effectiveness in knocking down mosquitoes.
- Permethrin:
Another pyrethroid, widely used in insecticides, but with different properties and stability compared to Prallethrin.
Other based pyrethroid-solutions I have seen use Allethrin, Transfluthrin or even Metofluthrin instead. I think Thermacell uses Allethrin.
2. Solvent Information:
Isoparaffin Solvent:
Commonly referred to as isoparaffinic hydrocarbons, these are derived from crude oil and are known for their low odor and good solvency properties.
Alternative Solvents:
Mineral Oil: Often used in various formulations, it's a good alternative due to its compatibility and low volatility.
Kerosene: Another alternative, but it has a stronger odor and might not be as refined as isoparaffin.
White Spirit: Also known as mineral spirits, it's similar to isoparaffin but can have a slightly stronger odor.
Water would not be a suitable replacement for mineral oil or isoparaffin solvents in this application. Here’s why:
Reasons Water is Not Suitable:
Chemical Solubility:
Permethrin and other pyrethroids are not soluble in water. They require a non-polar solvent (like isoparaffin or mineral oil) to dissolve and remain effective. Using water would result in an ineffective solution as the Permethrin would not properly dissolve or disperse.
Vaporization Mechanism:
The vaporizer is designed to work with oil-based solvents, which have a higher boiling point and vaporize at the controlled rate needed for effective mosquito control. Water has a much lower boiling point and would evaporate too quickly or not at all in a manner suitable for the device’s operation.
Wick Functionality:
The porous clay carbon wick in the vaporizer is designed to draw up oil-based liquids by capillary action. Water-based solutions would not be drawn up effectively due to differences in viscosity and surface tension.
Suitable Alternatives:
If you’re looking for alternatives to isoparaffin solvents or mineral oil, consider the following:
White Spirit (Mineral Spirits):
Similar properties to isoparaffins, though it may have a slightly stronger odor.
Kerosene:
Often used in similar applications, but has a strong smell and needs to be handled with care.
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If I can find Prallethrin or Permethrin locally here, I will try making my own solution using mineral oils or keroscene (probably a 1.26% version commonly used in India).
Great contribution to the discussion.
I live in Canada and cannot buy Permethrin here. What else can i use?
I found permethrin at Walmart.ca
Enforcer Products 343961CVA Permethrin Concenterate Country Vet
Ordre from the US. They ship to Canada. It worked for me.
I’ve been looking for metofluthrin and haven’t found any - what are you refilling with?
what Permeation 10 and where i by this product
www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/catalog/barn-premise-fly-control
Have no idea why the company wouldn’t want you to refill them than just tossing it in the trash and getting a whole new one when it says to not expose the product to water because it’s harmful
$$$ for them. Capitalism at its best.
Simple .... It's CYA...somebody refills with too strong a mix, guests at barbecue get sick maybe die, family gets lawyer and sues you and Thermacell,
Thermacell says Do Not. Refill , throwaway, Not their fault you will endanger your guests by refilling
@@draizwrm true but it’s not rocket science if they just sell a jug of the liquid at a cost with refillable cartridges
I cannot find any way to buy metofluthrin to refill it with. Guy in video is using a different incecticide which isn't approved for air dispersal near humans. You could buy allethrin, which the butane ones use, but it has higher heat dispersal requirements which the electric ones don't reach
@@firefish3000 yeah i haven't either i just got a bunch of pads cheap on ebay. It comes from over seas works the same
The "Other ingredients" are petroleum distalate, not water. Any science nerds know what it could be?
mineral oil possibly.
WHata great hack dude, thanks. Hows this formula compare to the factory liquid? Would be amazing to somehow doa test to compare.
Most important part of the video and he leaves it out still don't know exactly what he used to refill it with
Anyone have any luck with this not dissolving the wick?
No luck whatsoever with 1:6 Permeation to water. Doesn't work
I have seen a million videos, yet no one shows us HOW to actually pour the fuel in. I have seen people remove the wick and other things. Nothing about putting the actual fuel in. Sigh.
I was going to drill a hole in the top of the cartridge and plug it with the little plug that comes with disposable vapes. When I pulled on the wick, it nearly fell out. I refilled it with essential oils (Insect Shield Synergy available on Amazon). Now we will see how the wick comes out next time or if I destroy it.
Tried this… destroyed the wick after one day. Just like other comments. Don’t use that stuff.
chrysanthemum concentrate, you’re welcome
Did this work?
Anybody found a viable option to replace the wicks?
Chopsticks or kabob sticks
@@yungsnoop5317 I thought of those ideas also. Have you tried either of them?
I certainly seems that you could recharge the pads with same liquid material. Anyone tried?
yes i was doing that before the newer style came out.
Sure but you still have to consider the cost of butane
This does not work it destroys the wick after about a day :( Good idea though
ive had similar issues, however i was reading into it and they make water based and oil based permethrin. I will have to check which one i have and try the other one to see if that resolves the issue. It has been cold enough not to worry about bugs until here recently so its time to get the thermacells out again.
Hey fool what are you refilling it with? Air?
You forgot to demonstrate how to refill and what to refill with. This video is pointless
What do you refill it with?
my question too, i found that metofluhrin is the product is what thermacell puts in the cartridge but not sure where to find it.
fill it with allethrin
@@Bluntsmoke The Thermacell site says it is allethrin but they are very guarded about the other 70%. Petroleum distillate sounds reasonable so that it is evaporated by heat on the wick. Problem with allethrin is that is toxic to both cats and bees. Other pyrethroids have a variety of toxicities as well, so I was thinking about neem oil - which is used widely in India for refilling plug in bug repellants (AirWick style). Also in India there was a large scale test on burning 1% neem oil in kerosene (tiki type) torches and that was very effective as a repellant. I think I will get some ultra pure - no smoke - lamp oil (Lamplight), add some neem oil and see how that works in tiki torches. Will also try the same mix in Thermacell cartridge. Rather than pulling the wick out (and maybe breaking it) I'm going to try drilling a small hole in the top and refill with a blunt syringe needle. Obviously doesnt have to be completely sealed as wick isn't after removing protective cap.
Just saw the link further down the string about the MSDS showing metofluthrin. Maybe that's lower risk than allethrin. Will check!
@James Bell How did that new formula work for you. I’m also looking for what to use as a refill.
What liquid do you put in . Where can we find ?
I’ve been looking for metofluthrin and haven’t found any - what are you refilling with?
What do you refill it with??
I’ve been looking for metofluthrin and haven’t found any - what are you refilling with?