I was a Stinger MANPADS crew member back in the late 80's and we had to study the silhouette of this aircraft in VACR (Visual Aircraft recognition) while testing all of NATO and hostile aircraft even though they where non left in any air forces but just a few
Nothing sounds like a 104. Have always loved it. One landed at Cannon AFB NM when i was stationed there in 1973. We heard it's approach. We hurried over to the flight line to see it. i was a power lineman and also airfield lighting and power technician (TAC) F-111 training base. Thanks for this post.
I was station at Cannon AFB IN LATE 60'S. Was an avionics technician, SSGT in the 524th tac fighter Sq. Worked on the transit alert area of the flight line. Went to school on the F-111 and never got to even get up on one.
I grew up with the CF104, which my father worked on as an avionics technician at 1 Wing Lahr Germany in the 1960s. But back then it was polished silver - a beautiful aircraft. When I returned to Canadian Forces Europe in 1977 to run the radio station at Baden-Söllingen, the 104s were painted army green like in the video.
When it is parked, they have to put coverings on the wing edges so that maintenance people don't run into them and get cut. At one time this aircraft held the world speed record.
The only time I seen F-104's flying was when I was sent TDY to Edwards AFB from Norton AFB in the early 1980's, They were flown by NASA. I remember the whistling sound they made when they flew over head. Love that plane. Good video.
Bellissimo lo spillone che ritorna a volare grazie al norvegesi incredibile magari un vecchio TF104 rimesso a nuovo per la gioia dei nostalgici di questo velivolo immortale. Grandissimi.
The design of the flap and aileron in one piece on this plane would allow the plane to hold on to the air more during take off and land, it is now a legend in the past. Avionic And Oto Pilot Tekc.
One of the huge problems of the type. Due to the small wing area it stalled very early, and viciously. Even with everything working perfectly, landing speed was just short of 300 km/h. That's with the BLC system functioning properly; if the engine had problems or had stalled, you needed to go *much* faster than that...
Landing speed is about 170 to 180 knots depending on weight and conditions an touch down 160 to 170kts. You fly it at no less thar 83 to 85% power and use the speed brakes to adjust speed not the throttle. Cutting the power means you loose boundary air and will quickly stall. Was indeed flying a formula 1 race car. Pretty basic but fast and hard to see.
I assume when you are taking off in an Airplane that does not glide well with no power, you want as much speed and altitude as possible until you get to 10,000-20,000 feet.
Well....when I hit the mega I'll have one for damn sure. The 104 had "blown flaps" to fool the wing that it was bigger for takeoff and landings, if those failed I think final was about 200 kts plus? THAT would be exciting.! Can you.imagine blowing a main right at touchdown??!!
Hhhh.. To fool the wing that it was bigger. Nah, if that system failed, in clean config (no external load) would add 20-25 kts. So, touch down at around 185 kts, no load an must be low on fuel. Unfortunately, famous for widowmaking, and numeous political scandals caused by bribes from Locheed. Scary plane
A starfighter always need to use afterburner on take off, due to high take off speed. The wings are very short, and that makes the take off speed high. (Altso makes a starfighter wery fast)
Not that much. Fighters are exposed to the highest g forces (up to about 9 g) when doing tight turns at high speed, not during a take-off like this. The net g force experienced here was hardly more than about 1.3 g when combining normal gravity and horizontal acceleration.
I grew up adjacent to Luke AFB in AZ and got to see them on final approach all the time. Glad I wasn't on the other end of the runway... How can you not like a plane who's wings are no longer than the fuselage is wide.
What i'm always wondering how it is possible to hold the bird on place while turning up the engine. There are only a few square niches which make contact from tire to tarmac and this is enough to hold it at place,
Friction is determined by f=-μF where f is the frictional force, μ is the friction coefficient and F is the weight of the object in question. This means it doesn't actually matter how much surface area is in contact with the ground. You just need very sticky tires.
@@cloudy7937 But most war birds today have more power as weight and i think, the tires are laid out to withstand the enormous acceleration at the landing so i don't think, that they are very sticky.
@@boogie153 "Sticky" as in high friction coefficient, not actually sticky and gooey. The F-104 weighs 6,350 kg empty and 13,166 kg at full load, so let's say the craft in question weighs about 10 tons or 10,000kg or about 100 kN. With the afterburner on the engine produces 69 kN of thrust, and friction coefficient of tires being around 0.7~0.8, the frictional force is about 70 ~ 80 kN, which is _just_ about enough to hold the plane in place before takeoff.
Its take-off acceleration was probably around 0.7 g, which isn't that much by modern standard. It took about 21-22 seconds for it to leave the ground. Compare with this F-16, also in Norway, that only needed 12 seconds: ruclips.net/video/EVYPj0t1tNc/видео.html
@@spitfirenutspitfirenut4835 Many newer fighters, including F-16, have better thrust/weight ratio than the F-104, and are thus able to accelerate faster during take-off and at subsonic speed. The F-104 excels at supersonic speed because its streamlined, rocketlike fuselage and short, thin wings with almost knife sharp leading edges produces less drag than most other fighters, enabling it to beat many of them despite its lower thrust/weight ratio. Fighters that do beat or at least match the F-104's top speed (F-15, F-22, Eurofighter etc) generally do that by "brute force", i.e. higher thrust/weight ratio.
This is a CF-104D serial 104637. Purchased from Canada, and was based i Bodø / Norway from 1973. History of all CF-104 Norway bought from Canada here: starfighter.no/sq334-e.html
They put wings on that airplane because they had to put the ailerons somewhere.
Put wings and a cockpit on an engine.
Loved it
I was a Stinger MANPADS crew member back in the late 80's and we had to study the silhouette of this aircraft in VACR (Visual Aircraft recognition) while testing all of NATO and hostile aircraft even though they where non left in any air forces but just a few
The venerable F-104 Lawn Dart.
😅
Nothing sounds like a 104. Have always loved it. One landed at Cannon AFB NM when i was stationed there in 1973. We heard it's approach. We hurried over to the flight line to see it. i was a power lineman and also airfield lighting and power technician (TAC) F-111 training base. Thanks for this post.
I was station at Cannon AFB IN LATE 60'S. Was an avionics technician, SSGT in the 524th tac fighter Sq. Worked on the transit alert area of the flight line.
Went to school on the F-111 and never got to even get up on one.
No... Anything with A J-79 engine deserves that distinguish!! Phantoms Forever ✌️
The sound of a J-79 is truly something, especially that howl on landing
What a stunning aircraft! Starfighters forever!
is it enough fast if u want to escape from home ?
I grew up with the CF104, which my father worked on as an avionics technician at 1 Wing Lahr Germany in the 1960s. But back then it was polished silver - a beautiful aircraft. When I returned to Canadian Forces Europe in 1977 to run the radio station at Baden-Söllingen, the 104s were painted army green like in the video.
5 years in Baden here. 73 to 78. Used to watch them from school
From Söllingen was the one who went down at Frankfurt Air Show in 1983
Did you know Newbs?
Audio gives me goosebumbs, I love this jet!
My father flew them and the old reel-to-reel from the cockpit is epic.
@@guyhermanson4108 That's awesome!
Wolf-howl 😊
@@Mr.Monta77 Yeah 👍
One ☝️ of the most impressive and Beautiful airplanes ✈️ ever designed and built! One word “Ageless”
Le son d un J 79 est exceptionnel surtout lors de la montée en puissance et allumage de la postcombustion qu'elle son merveilleux.
It honoured its name. Truly looks like a missile with wings. Love it!!!!
In my eyes, this is one of the most beautiful aircraft ever.
Absolutely top 5 or 10 beautiful jets.
One word: FANTASTIC!!
When it is parked, they have to put coverings on the wing edges so that maintenance people don't run into them and get cut. At one time this aircraft held the world speed record.
That acceleration after the burner was lit! Wow. Like there's no tomorrow.
You need to listen to this takeoff with decent quality headphones....wicked.
Sound of my childhood...never forget.
The eerie howl of that Orenda powerplant is pure music for the ears.. such a great plane. The Missile with a man in it.🤣🙂
So that's where Spielberg got the sound for His Tie Fighters... nice..
It is a GE J79 Engine with wings...Great sound ¡
Marvellous to see this aircraft still flying, it's a great shame there are no Lightnings still flying.
Thank god they are not flying anymore, it were Widowmakers
I was privileged to see the Lightnings at Geuterslough Royal Air Force Base in Germany. We were guests of the 19th Fighter Intercepter Squadron.
@@roybakker1973 you realise the f104 killed far more people due to alot of shitty design flaws?
@@kamo8073 thats why there were widdowmakers
Fantastic! video and audio both.
The only time I seen F-104's flying was when I was sent TDY to Edwards AFB from Norton AFB in the early 1980's, They were flown by NASA. I remember the whistling sound they made when they flew over head. Love that plane. Good video.
Woooooooow!!! What a cool looking jet
The sound of a Starfighter is unreplacable.
Same engine as the Phantom except we had two of them!
Beautiful plane still flying. WOW. Last Time i saw was in 1983 at Ait Show Frankfurt. One of them was coming down, but Pilot survived
Bellissimo lo spillone che ritorna a volare grazie al norvegesi incredibile magari un vecchio TF104 rimesso a nuovo per la gioia dei nostalgici di questo velivolo immortale. Grandissimi.
True Legend! Wolf howling is amazing...
interesting video espenjoh. I shattered that thumbs up on your video. Maintain up the exceptional work.
The most beautiful plane in the world.
Best looking aircraft - ever!
Lockheed also made the most beautiful airliner with the Super Constellation, especially the L1649 Starliner model.
Love the parachute, just like a dragster
Love it!👍
I love the particular sound of j 79 a real stovepipe
sounds of ma childhood...awesome
*Thanks for sharing!!!*
The design of the flap and aileron in one piece on this plane would allow the plane to hold on to the air more during take off and land, it is now a legend in the past. Avionic And Oto Pilot Tekc.
Awesome
Nice plane ever !
The sound that J79 makes @ 2:15 sounds like something out of a Star Wars movie.
Incredible sound
帥氣
This is one wicked jet.😎👌👌
Good lord that was a fast landing.
One of the huge problems of the type. Due to the small wing area it stalled very early, and viciously. Even with everything working perfectly, landing speed was just short of 300 km/h. That's with the BLC system functioning properly; if the engine had problems or had stalled, you needed to go *much* faster than that...
Got to love the Starfighter
great footage. the 104 was a very hard plane to fly. that landing was fantastic
Landing speed is about 170 to 180 knots depending on weight and conditions an touch down 160 to 170kts. You fly it at no less thar 83 to 85% power and use the speed brakes to adjust speed not the throttle. Cutting the power means you loose boundary air and will quickly stall. Was indeed flying a formula 1 race car. Pretty basic but fast and hard to see.
Hence the nickname “Ground nail,” among many others.
Jackson… You are a idiot. You don’t know what you are talking about. Go eat at bowl of corn flakes.
Lov THE WIDOW MAKER ..
Ein schönes Flugzeug mit tollen Proportionen…🧐👍👍…!
💕💕
A pretty good landing
懐かしい
Music to my ears. 🤙
Gorgeous
beautiful
Starfighter F 104 I read about it when I was a kid that it called the flying coffin.
What a Freakin' BEAST.
I assume when you are taking off in an Airplane that does not glide well with no power, you want as much speed and altitude as possible until you get to 10,000-20,000 feet.
Best Pilots flying F104 in the sixties 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
So cool. Only the Starfighter.
wings are so sharp
Well....when I hit the mega I'll have one for damn sure. The 104 had "blown flaps" to fool the wing that it was bigger for takeoff and landings, if those failed I think final was about 200 kts plus? THAT would be exciting.! Can you.imagine blowing a main right at touchdown??!!
Hhhh.. To fool the wing that it was bigger. Nah, if that system failed, in clean config (no external load) would add 20-25 kts. So, touch down at around 185 kts, no load an must be low on fuel. Unfortunately, famous for widowmaking, and numeous political scandals caused by bribes from Locheed. Scary plane
I like this kid. Great job young man. Don't stop now but with discretion.
After a woman's, creation's most beautiful curves.
What does the back sitter do in non conbat
It even better with dual cocpit
Is the afterburner take off necessarry or for show? (wouldn't it save tons of fuel when take off with dry thrust only?)
A starfighter always need to use afterburner on take off, due to high take off speed. The wings are very short, and that makes the take off speed high. (Altso makes a starfighter wery fast)
Terrific crying sound of nuclear apocalypse
Yep, that big GE J-79 engine.
Une merveille mes cristy qui sont bruyant
What a sound
Exact ce son
The landing speed was such that the wheels had to be spun up before touchdown.
That's a high landing speed :-)
Is it the air intake or the turbine blades that causes the howling sound?
Neither. I believe the current thinking is that it happens around the exhaust nozzle.
I thought it was the pilot 😀
This is like a 1950s f16!
The wings are there to separate the nav lights
Что за модель?
Super Flugzeug
i cean hear the feeling of the afterburner thundering through his body
Wow, how many G's is the takeoff?
Not that much. Fighters are exposed to the highest g forces (up to about 9 g) when doing tight turns at high speed, not during a take-off like this. The net g force experienced here was hardly more than about 1.3 g when combining normal gravity and horizontal acceleration.
I grew up adjacent to Luke AFB in AZ and got to see them on final approach all the time. Glad I wasn't on the other end of the runway... How can you not like a plane who's wings are no longer than the fuselage is wide.
Luke is now F-35 training base. Fly over my house all the time.
"Sternenjäger" 💞
Ein Starfighter, der 2018 noch fliegt zeigt doch, dass er gar nicht so schlecht gewesen sein kann, wie er bezeichnet wird.
Ne
The wolf in the air howls again.
It's really more of a missile than a plane. Fuckin' A!
The landing speed is fucking crazy.
D eeeew like the 1 seater
hooooowwwwwwliiing!!!!👍
I think those are ex RCAF CF-104's
0:56 i thought someone was playing some kind of flute with a potato in it
A giant jet engine with a couple of stabilizer slats sticking out the sides.
Who’s here after listening to the Fighter Pilot Podcast?
What i'm always wondering how it is possible to hold the bird on place while turning up the engine. There are only a few square niches which make contact from tire to tarmac and this is enough to hold it at place,
Friction is determined by f=-μF where f is the frictional force, μ is the friction coefficient and F is the weight of the object in question. This means it doesn't actually matter how much surface area is in contact with the ground. You just need very sticky tires.
@@cloudy7937 But most war birds today have more power as weight and i think, the tires are laid out to withstand the enormous acceleration at the landing so i don't think, that they are very sticky.
@@boogie153 "Sticky" as in high friction coefficient, not actually sticky and gooey. The F-104 weighs 6,350 kg empty and 13,166 kg at full load, so let's say the craft in question weighs about 10 tons or 10,000kg or about 100 kN. With the afterburner on the engine produces 69 kN of thrust, and friction coefficient of tires being around 0.7~0.8, the frictional force is about 70 ~ 80 kN, which is _just_ about enough to hold the plane in place before takeoff.
Three spikes instead of tyres would have even less contact to the ground but better friction for the weight. A bigger surface area is not better.
Progettato dal grande Kelly Johnson!
When that afterburner turns on......
Nothing accelerates like a 104!
Its take-off acceleration was probably around 0.7 g, which isn't that much by modern standard. It took about 21-22 seconds for it to leave the ground.
Compare with this F-16, also in Norway, that only needed 12 seconds:
ruclips.net/video/EVYPj0t1tNc/видео.html
@@fromnorway643 A 104 will reach Mach 2 well before an F-16.
@@fromnorway643 And a 104 is still accelerating at mach 2 while an F 16 has run out of steam.
@@spitfirenutspitfirenut4835
Many newer fighters, including F-16, have better thrust/weight ratio than the F-104, and are thus able to accelerate faster during take-off and at subsonic speed.
The F-104 excels at supersonic speed because its streamlined, rocketlike fuselage and short, thin wings with almost knife sharp leading edges produces less drag than most other fighters, enabling it to beat many of them despite its lower thrust/weight ratio.
Fighters that do beat or at least match the F-104's top speed (F-15, F-22, Eurofighter etc) generally do that by "brute force", i.e. higher thrust/weight ratio.
@@fromnorway643 But take-off speed of the minimal winged Starfighter probably is also much higher than the F-16's so that's why it takes more time.
missed the best part ! The shutdown
My life for a F-104G!
That flame in the bottom of the hot section ought to have been of great concern.
I'm afraid it wasn't.
Major Nelson's plane!
Name that tune!
So9rry, NOT a Canadian Forces CF-104. It's someone's F-104 though. Anyone familiar with the national markings?
This is a CF-104D serial 104637. Purchased from Canada, and was based i Bodø / Norway from 1973. History of all CF-104 Norway bought from Canada here: starfighter.no/sq334-e.html