We used to get precision-made glass replacement parts ~2’ by 3’. All the credit went to the people who made and ground the glass. But we would routinely get packages with boot prints on the flat sides (deliberate?). But never a broken or chipped piece of glass. Credit to the (invisible) shipping department and the packaging engineers!
Keith, That was a heck of a find, Thanks to the folks that sent them as we are now going to get to see some more cool stuff made in the Vintage machinery shop.
That's so great when old unique parts get reunited with a machine. Maybe an old "need missing part" / "found mystery part" segment would be a good occasional feature on this channel or a similar one.
What a stroke of luck in finding those items and enormous kudos to the guy who recognised what he had and you needed! At that time you made that video appealing to anyone who might know where those pieces that you needed might be lying idle I personally thought you had very, very little chance indeed of finding them - how wrong was I!! That colossal find has to be one almighty step forward with this project. Best wishes.
I hope Keith bought a lottery ticket also.....the chances of finding these parts SEPARATE (i.e. not part of another lead attachment) were virtually zero. Incredible stroke of luck!
Keith, I think I've watched every one of your videos since almost the very beginning. Partly because of the kinship I feel from the fact that we were in the same type of careers in plant research. I hope the algorithm hasn't been discounting my views, because I usually bail when you say, "That's a wrap," skipping the outro.
Doug Saying - Thus is How Things R DONE, If Ya Want Something Done Right DO IT Yourself !! Well maybe That Harsh ! LOL'S DIY - SHIPPING CRATES A Business Opportunity - Go in, Measure Twice Cut Once & Build the Necessary Sized Crate 4 Said Object ! Hey Keith, the Channel is Awesome !!
Doug sure knows how to create a top notch shipping crate! Shows the value of what’s inside. Keith you looked so excited when installing those components I even got excited for you! Indeed the best part of the internet has been demonstrated here! So cool!
VERY thoughtful shipping crate and Doug has to be one fine person. I am very happy for you both. "Blessed are those who give without remembering and those who receive without forgetting." I don't think a large spur gear will drive a small worm gear if reversed at 9:20. If the intent of that pair is to have a 1:24 ratio, reversing them will be a ratio of 24:1 which I do not think will work or ever be needed. That means there can only be 3 combinations and not 6. Right? Sure hope the change gears you want to modify are not hardened.
yeah had the same thought. But maybe there is some extra gears somewhere that effectively route the drive through the change gears first and then the worms? But I dont see how that would change the total gear ratio either...
GENERALLY worm gears only work when the pinion is powered. Powering the ring gear USUALLY won't turn the pinion. Maybe there is something else going on like Gregor Lasser and Ypop Nun said.
Remember Keith how your community comes together when you are in need of a part don't hoard the extras someone else may want to purchase those parts. Thanks for all your videos im a big fan.
Only a "gearhead' who appreciates those pieces of work would take the time to make that great of a box to ship them. Well done and a great addition to your K&T HBM treasure hunt Keith !
What a wonderful resource youtube has become. I watched Leo Sampson's latest Tally Ho video yesterday and saw he was using the threading device you kindly repaired for him. Hats off to you and to your most generous viewers who help make this a better world every day.
Wow - Excellent packaging - so nice to see someone taking the time and trouble to protect items from the cowboys playing football with our goods, which we are paying them to transport. SO true the power of sodia media is great and so nice to see it used for good purposes. Great progress on the drive. Thanks!
I remember when you discovered that broken gear in your Wells Index mill. Somebody had one but didn't know what it was until they saw your video. I believe they gave it to you. I also think it was NOS. God loves you Keith Rucker and I certainly understand why. We, your loyal fans, love you too, Keith. Art
Such a unique video where it's one of those deals where you literally find the needle in the haystack put it under the Christmas tree and everybody freaks out over the wrapping paper! so perfect!
Doug, that was a fantastic box you made to make Keith HAPPY, also us as well as we get to enjoy the parts you supplied, amazing that you recognized what you had and what they belong to .
What a beautifully ENGINEERED crate! Keith you were so lucky that Doug recognised what he had on a shelf was what you desperately needed! And Doug must be an awesome engineer if he does engineering the way he does woodwork. I won't ask but I am sure many of us youtubers would be curious to know how much that little lot cost you Keith !
Doug, Kudos for the job you did in packaging the precious gear for the K&T. Hard telling how many sets of those have wound up in the scrap yard. Thank you for saving that great American Iron.
Gotta say, that’s a pretty amazing project, and is moving forward through the occurrence of several miracles. I’d never have thought this could all come together.
Totally awesome shipping box! I do a lot of receiving and packing of parts and I'm constantly amazed by the thoughtless packing job that most people do. NO ONE seems to understand what their package will go thru once it leaves their hands.
The pressure angle determines if a gear set will "overhaul" or not. Sometimes gear sets are designed so that they become a rotational diode. Cable winch and drums can be set up so that no brake is required most of the time. The book Keith likes by Spots goes over all this.
@@stancloyd You're right, but looking at the pitch of those sets, it doesn't look like those particular gears will work the opposite way...especially that 96:1 part...
@@Craneman4100w The 3:1 reduction may be able to work backwards. I have small worm gear reduction here with 6:1 and it will work backwards. Even though this is not ideal. As Stan said it depends on the pressure angle.
Can you just imagine the size of worm gears and such on a NAVAL SHIP? Great find there and thanks from me to the youtuber that sent them to you as well.
I am going to recommend your video to FedEx to demonstrate the proper packing procedure to the public. Most of the time it’s not the post office or UPS or FedEx that’s causing the problem. I packed a wall clock inside of two cardboard boxes with an insulating chamber between the two and shipped it FedEx to Missoula Montana. Made it no problem. This clock had Glass, weights, and chains . This guy went way above the call. Nice job.
An amazing gift and not only a great mailing crate but also can be used for storage Great video and I can clearly see that you are ecstatic about receiving this package
The shaft I was referring to is called the auxiliary drive shaft and yes the 96 tooth worm gear is installed on the table screw extension and driven by it he 1 tooth worm for leads of 356 inch through 2918 inch leads it cautions you to lock out the table direction lever, that's what that knurled screw is for , or damage can occur, I have the 2H low lead and conventional lead attachments for my 1945 2H thanks Keith for the show
I'm amazed that he was able to determine that he had the gears from the little info that you put out there. No way would I recognize the gears from that. Also who remembers all the stuff they have that they don't use. You were amazingly lucky. And he's a great guy to have helped you out. Oh yea, like Clyde says... the box is a work of art... great job.
They also act as a deterrent to pulling the cover in with the nuts, which you should never do. It strains the cover, strains the case and before you know it the shaft is being bent.
Hi Kieth, you should ask Doug to start a channel showing how to make part boxes 😁 that was really nicely put together so nothing would move, glad to see it's all coming together. Regards Richard
Keith you are a very lucky ****, fancy being able to pick up not one but two sets of gearing for your project. It’s like finding one piece of a 1000 piece jigsaw and your subscribers supplying another 997 bits. Ok, so you have to trim a couple of pieces, but what a time saver. That box was the work of a tradesman too. Regards
I would really like to see the low lead housing stripped of it's beige paint and repainted to match the mill. It jars my OCD every time I see it. So great to be able to put a call out and find the gear set. I can not help but think how had that would have been before the internet.
referencing the worm gear set: I think you'll find you have to put the 'screw' gear on the driving shaft and the 'wheel' cog on the driven shaft, the other way round would lock it up.
Low lead attachment complete will give 42,362 different leads from .0219 - 2918.4 inches with either the model H or model K dividing head....Both are 40:1 from the splined input shaft to the spindle of the dividing head. The difference between the model H and model K is that the model H is 40:1 from the crank to the spindle and the model K is 5:1 from crank to spindle....Cheers from Louisiana... Mike
When using certain leads, power feed will come from the table or the low lead directional lever. There is a thumb screw in the table trip and the LL directional lever to pin them in place. The table of leads has a Caution warning at the top every page telling you which feed to use.
@9:33 You're mentioning you can put the worm gears into the box in both ways... I thought it generally wasn't possible to backdrive a low ratio worm gear, or am I missing something?
Probably not. But at the "speeds" such would be turning at (the 1:96 configuration), the dividing head would practically turn into a low speed lathe. I.E. not a useful ratio. Dunno on the 1:24 setup. The 1:3 looks viable though.
@@jenshoffker5702 Depends on the ratio. Closer ratios will backdrive. It's a function of sliding friction in the teeth and the mechanical disadvantage vs. the strength of the teeth and case.
@@ratdude747 A bit of google research says I was wrong and that it depends on the gear lead angle and coefficient of friction. I'm sure K&T know their stuff and likely list allowed configurations in their documentation. I just wouldn't want to see any damage to that horizontal mill!
Kudos for praising the sender and his packaging instead of bashing the carrier, parcels endure a lot of automated handling, if a heavy object is inside it’s coming out of a cardboard box
"...this box is a work of art."
Work of Doug!
I'm pretty sure I've never seen a crate as good.
Best packaging of machine parts I've seen!
Well thought out!
That’s what she said
We used to get precision-made glass replacement parts ~2’ by 3’. All the credit went to the people who made and ground the glass. But we would routinely get packages with boot prints on the flat sides (deliberate?). But never a broken or chipped piece of glass. Credit to the (invisible) shipping department and the packaging engineers!
Kudos to Doug for helping with the parts that were needed
What a fabulous job he did in building that box. You might want to hang onto that for storage.
I agree that box will make a good storage container for all the parts when not in use!
I would absolutely be using that for storage, they were perfectly protected and organized..
I once bought a steam engine governor that was disassembled and packaged similar to this outstanding packaging.
the guy certainly knew what he was doing with his wooden crate.....perfect just perfect. Love seeing the job come along Keith. Awesome channel.
Can't help wondering if it was a Navy crate !
I got a shipment of Neodymium magnets that was nothing but a box with a hole in it.
Keith, That was a heck of a find, Thanks to the folks that sent them as we are now going to get to see some more cool stuff made in the Vintage machinery shop.
That's so great when old unique parts get reunited with a machine. Maybe an old "need missing part" / "found mystery part" segment would be a good occasional feature on this channel or a similar one.
The way the pieces were packed and unpacked was already satisfactory!
I can already go to sleep today with a feeling of happiness.
What a stroke of luck in finding those items and enormous kudos to the guy who recognised what he had and you needed! At that time you made that video appealing to anyone who might know where those pieces that you needed might be lying idle I personally thought you had very, very little chance indeed of finding them - how wrong was I!! That colossal find has to be one almighty step forward with this project.
Best wishes.
I hope Keith bought a lottery ticket also.....the chances of finding these parts SEPARATE (i.e. not part of another lead attachment) were virtually zero. Incredible stroke of luck!
Keith, I think I've watched every one of your videos since almost the very beginning.
Partly because of the kinship I feel from the fact that we were in the same type of careers in plant research.
I hope the algorithm hasn't been discounting my views, because I usually bail when you say, "That's a wrap," skipping the outro.
I´ve never seen such a perfect box. Great Job.
Doug should have a video on how to make shipping boxes !! Can’t wait to see you cutting the first gear Keith
he has one somewhere way back when... I forgot what he shipped but it was in a similar style
A man who would take the thought and care that went into building that packing box is a man who really cares about tools.
Doug Saying - Thus is How Things R DONE, If Ya Want Something Done Right DO IT Yourself !!
Well maybe That Harsh !
LOL'S
DIY - SHIPPING CRATES
A Business Opportunity -
Go in, Measure Twice Cut Once & Build the Necessary Sized Crate 4 Said Object !
Hey Keith, the Channel is Awesome !!
Doug sure knows how to create a top notch shipping crate! Shows the value of what’s inside. Keith you looked so excited when installing those components I even got excited for you! Indeed the best part of the internet has been demonstrated here! So cool!
The shipping crate would be a great storage place as well. What a work of art in itself. Doug is a craftsman! Thank you for the video.
VERY thoughtful shipping crate and Doug has to be one fine person. I am very happy for you both.
"Blessed are those who give without remembering and those who receive without forgetting."
I don't think a large spur gear will drive a small worm gear if reversed at 9:20. If the intent of that pair is to have a 1:24 ratio, reversing them will be a ratio of 24:1 which I do not think will work or ever be needed. That means there can only be 3 combinations and not 6. Right?
Sure hope the change gears you want to modify are not hardened.
yeah had the same thought. But maybe there is some extra gears somewhere that effectively route the drive through the change gears first and then the worms? But I dont see how that would change the total gear ratio either...
It could be set up to power the table from some other device (no Idea Why)
GENERALLY worm gears only work when the pinion is powered. Powering the ring gear USUALLY won't turn the pinion. Maybe there is something else going on like Gregor Lasser and Ypop Nun said.
Maybe the 1:3 ratio worm gear will work in reverse, but 1:24 and 1:96 can not work in reverse, they will just lock up and something will break.
@@scottywisely6180 True! Learned this years ago.
Remember Keith how your community comes together when you are in need of a part don't hoard the extras someone else may want to purchase those parts. Thanks for all your videos im a big fan.
That is the biggest packaging flex I have ever seen in my life! That's a piece of art!
I can't believe you got the parts that quickly. I thought you had a potential boat anchor. Power of the internet. Packaging was amazing.
You have the unique advantage of thousands of viewers helping you find the rare parts you need.
Only a "gearhead' who appreciates those pieces of work would take the time to make that great of a box to ship them. Well done and a great addition to your K&T HBM treasure hunt Keith !
That box wasn't just for shipping, with some hinges it could become a permanent storage solution for the change gears.
100% agreed!
Hello Keith,
That was very nice of Doug for giving you the missing parts...
Take care
Paul,,
This is great! Can’t wait for the casting to come from Windy Hill. I will learn more about turning a rough casting into a critical part for you.
What a wonderful resource youtube has become. I watched Leo Sampson's latest Tally Ho video yesterday and saw he was using the threading device you kindly repaired for him. Hats off to you and to your most generous viewers who help make this a better world every day.
Yeah, he gets a hell of a lot of use out of that threader.
That box will be perfect to store the extra parts. Great craftsmanship.
Wow - Excellent packaging - so nice to see someone taking the time and trouble to protect items from the cowboys playing football with our goods, which we are paying them to transport. SO true the power of sodia media is great and so nice to see it used for good purposes. Great progress on the drive. Thanks!
I remember when you discovered that broken gear in your Wells Index mill. Somebody had one but didn't know what it was until they saw your video. I believe they gave it to you. I also think it was NOS. God loves you Keith Rucker and I certainly understand why. We, your loyal fans, love you too, Keith.
Art
Such a unique video where it's one of those deals where you literally find the needle in the haystack put it under the Christmas tree and everybody freaks out over the wrapping paper! so perfect!
Well done Doug Youngberg, that was really good work on that packing crate !
Best box ever, no doubt, work of art! Well done! And cool to see how that all comes together.
Doug, that was a fantastic box you made to make Keith HAPPY, also us as well as we get to enjoy the parts you supplied, amazing that you recognized what you had and what they belong to .
What a beautifully ENGINEERED crate! Keith you were so lucky that Doug recognised what he had on a shelf was what you desperately needed! And Doug must be an awesome engineer if he does engineering the way he does woodwork. I won't ask but I am sure many of us youtubers would be curious to know how much that little lot cost you Keith !
Doug, Kudos for the job you did in packaging the precious gear for the K&T. Hard telling how many sets of those have wound up in the scrap yard. Thank you for saving that great American Iron.
Gotta say, that’s a pretty amazing project, and is moving forward through the occurrence of several miracles. I’d never have thought this could all come together.
You have the best luck ever with people finding the things you need😎 You better put out a feeler for that quick change for the hbm!
Jealous Brian?? Lol
Totally awesome shipping box! I do a lot of receiving and packing of parts and I'm constantly amazed by the thoughtless packing job that most people do. NO ONE seems to understand what their package will go thru once it leaves their hands.
The packing box was incredible, so much thought went into that. Very fortunate to get your missing parts so quickly. The power of you tube.
Brilliant packing !
Storage for all your excess parts !
Great rebuild !
Stu
Amazing that someone had the correct parts..
Doug,
Thanks for your generosity.
I hope to not be the only one envious of that shipping crate. Fantastic work
Fantastic crate that was used for shipping. There was a lot of thought that went into it.
9:43 are you sure? i dont think all of them will work backwords ?
Worn gears do not work backward. The big gear can not turn the worm.
The pressure angle determines if a gear set will "overhaul" or not. Sometimes gear sets are designed so that they become a rotational diode. Cable winch and drums can be set up so that no brake is required most of the time. The book Keith likes by Spots goes over all this.
@@stancloyd You're right, but looking at the pitch of those sets, it doesn't look like those particular gears will work the opposite way...especially that 96:1 part...
@@stancloyd That is correct but the gears Keith has will not work backward.
@@Craneman4100w The 3:1 reduction may be able to work backwards. I have small worm gear reduction here with 6:1 and it will work backwards. Even though this is not ideal. As Stan said it depends on the pressure angle.
I have to say, I was most impressed with the packaging
Can you just imagine the size of worm gears and such on a NAVAL SHIP? Great find there and thanks from me to the youtuber that sent them to you as well.
What an awesome packing job! Well done. Can't wait to see some spiral gears cut.
Wow! what a great box Doug made!
I’m in awe of the wooden box!
Just looking at that shipping box, I can tell you Doug is a pretty great guy.
I am going to recommend your video to FedEx to demonstrate the proper packing procedure to the public. Most of the time it’s not the post office or UPS or FedEx that’s causing the problem. I packed a wall clock inside of two cardboard boxes with an insulating chamber between the two and shipped it FedEx to Missoula Montana. Made it no problem. This clock had Glass, weights, and chains . This guy went way above the call. Nice job.
WOW OMG LOVE THE PACKAGING
An amazing gift and not only a great mailing crate but also can be used for storage
Great video and I can clearly see that you are ecstatic about receiving this package
I love how ''milling machine' becomes a 1 syllable word in Georgia.
Not just that but my wife's name is one syllable and her mom stretches it into three.
yes it is.
Like pint'oGuiness in United Kingdom pubs
Thanks for sharing your joy with your new parts.
Looking forward to watch your gear cutting job.
THANK YOU...for sharing. WOW, that shipping box was really made with ingenuity.
Enjoyed Keith!
ATB, Robin
The shaft I was referring to is called the auxiliary drive shaft and yes the 96 tooth worm gear is installed on the table screw extension and driven by it he 1 tooth worm for leads of 356 inch through 2918 inch leads it cautions you to lock out the table direction lever, that's what that knurled screw is for , or damage can occur, I have the 2H low lead and conventional lead attachments for my 1945 2H thanks Keith for the show
I'm amazed that he was able to determine that he had the gears from the little info that you put out there. No way would I recognize the gears from that. Also who remembers all the stuff they have that they don't use. You were amazingly lucky. And he's a great guy to have helped you out.
Oh yea, like Clyde says... the box is a work of art... great job.
With the ability to make a box like that, he probably remembers everything!
The cover plates have those weirdly shaped holes so that you don't need to unscrew the nuts when opening them.
I thought exactly the same but it seems that the flanges on those nuts are a bit too wide to pass through the openings.
@@piast99 they look like original to me.
They also act as a deterrent to pulling the cover in with the nuts, which you should never do. It strains the cover, strains the case and before you know it the shaft is being bent.
@@simongroot7147 When he said finesse he meant brute force...
@@simongroot7147 I did hold my breath when Keith started pulling in the cover with the nuts 🙀
Another really interesting video. The power of RUclips combined with the thoughtfulness of viewers is truly awesome as demonstrated here. Great work.
That box ,Wow,that is a well thought out and so well constructed .
Keith, you were born under a star.
JIM
Hi Kieth, you should ask Doug to start a channel showing how to make part boxes 😁 that was really nicely put together so nothing would move, glad to see it's all coming together.
Regards Richard
Wow Keith you hit the gear train Lottery right there. Can't wait to see all the in action.
This is just amazing Keith. One person helping another person in the machine trades. Happy New Year to you Keith and many more to come. Peace too. V
Keith you are a very lucky ****, fancy being able to pick up not one but two sets of gearing for your project. It’s like finding one piece of a 1000 piece jigsaw and your subscribers supplying another 997 bits. Ok, so you have to trim a couple of pieces, but what a time saver. That box was the work of a tradesman too. Regards
Best packing job i have ever seen!
Happy for you buddy!
The feeling of finding these I know so well
Doughs a hero,what a box !
I really have an appreciation for the content of your videos. Thank you for sharing this with us.
The cats will like the box as well!
Thanks Doug
You owe thanks to the USN for not simply scrapping obsolete equipment and to Clarke for his USN experience as a molder.
Christmas comes late , wow what a present , I could tell you were very happy , NICE.
What a great addition to your collection! The gears I promised you are still underway from Australia. But they are coming....
This is definitely a case of one person's junk being another person's gold.
That crate will make a great storage box for all the gears for it
Wow, seriously impressed with the work on the crate, awesome job!
The packaging is perfect!
I would really like to see the low lead housing stripped of it's beige paint and repainted to match the mill. It jars my OCD every time I see it. So great to be able to put a call out and find the gear set. I can not help but think how had that would have been before the internet.
Wow! What a wonderful find.
Awesome video. You've got some fantastic viewers, Keith!
referencing the worm gear set: I think you'll find you have to put the 'screw' gear on the driving shaft and the 'wheel' cog on the driven shaft, the other way round would lock it up.
Good Job Doug!
he did one heck of a job on that crate.
That was the best shipping creat I have seen, and I've seen a lot.
Dam your lucky! Glad to see it come together!
Low lead attachment complete will give 42,362 different leads from .0219 - 2918.4 inches with either the model H or model K dividing head....Both are 40:1 from the splined input shaft to the spindle of the dividing head. The difference between the model H and model K is that the model H is 40:1 from the crank to the spindle and the model K is 5:1 from crank to spindle....Cheers from Louisiana... Mike
I can’t wait to see this thing work! It’s going to be awesome. You are going to save this thing from the crusher, and that’s awesome!
~M~ you have been missed
Where I worked we called UPS United Parcel SMASHERS!
If I ever have to have a heavy package shipped to me, I hope the person responsible for shipping packages it as well as Doug did those gears!👍🏻😎
When using certain leads, power feed will come from the table or the low lead directional lever. There is a thumb screw in the table trip and the LL directional lever to pin them in place. The table of leads has a Caution warning at the top every page telling you which feed to use.
@9:33 You're mentioning you can put the worm gears into the box in both ways... I thought it generally wasn't possible to backdrive a low ratio worm gear, or am I missing something?
Probably not. But at the "speeds" such would be turning at (the 1:96 configuration), the dividing head would practically turn into a low speed lathe. I.E. not a useful ratio.
Dunno on the 1:24 setup. The 1:3 looks viable though.
Yes you're right! A worm can drive A gear, but Not the other way....you will break the gear for sure!!
@@jenshoffker5702 Depends on the ratio. Closer ratios will backdrive. It's a function of sliding friction in the teeth and the mechanical disadvantage vs. the strength of the teeth and case.
The 1:3 worm drive would work both ways fine but that wasn't what he meant here
@@ratdude747 A bit of google research says I was wrong and that it depends on the gear lead angle and coefficient of friction. I'm sure K&T know their stuff and likely list allowed configurations in their documentation. I just wouldn't want to see any damage to that horizontal mill!
Amazing crate for shipping!
Awesome score! Hope your sending Doug some swag.
You are one fortunate guy.
Kudos for praising the sender and his packaging instead of bashing the carrier, parcels endure a lot of automated handling, if a heavy object is inside it’s coming out of a cardboard box
doug nice job on that box.its the best package iv ever seen.
Perhaps the box they came in could become a storage box for all the unused parts, for later use when needed.