17th Karmapa Trinley Thaye Dorje: Birthday, Enthronement, Shamar Rinpoche, Rumtek Monastery
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
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05:29 - Shamar Rinpoche
07:41 - Rumtek Monastery Controversy
09:39 - Marriage
10:07 - Reincarnation Controversy 
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By seeing Thumbnail ur desperately needed a viewer. Pls don't use his holiness photo in that way .
Why is his holiness the Dalai Lama photo is used for thumbnail to gain more views and attention. This is the internal controversy within the kagyu sect of politics. Just stop scapegoating his holiness out of this dirty politics of two karmapa which is a big shame within Tibetan Buddhism over wealth and power within the kagyu sect.
I agree to you that the thumbnail has no good style. As Karmapa Thaye Dorje says in the end of the video "there is no life without obsticals and there is no life without controveses."
There is a long and not always peaceful history between the Kagyu lineage and Gelugpa lineage and the actual Dalai Lama made the mistake to confirm the Karmapa witch was choosen by the Chinese and he disrespects Karmapa Thaye Dorje. But thats the way thing are , humans are not perfect and also a Dalai Lama makes mistakes. As Buddists we have to learn to deal with such things.
@@Hawkeye948 According to your comment, i can clearly see who you favour blindly and who you hate. there's nothing to discuss or argument. you go your side and I go my side. long live his holiness the Dalai Lama of Tibet. bodh gyal lo.
@@Tashi_delek_10 You can see clearly who am hating ?
I do not hate a lot of people, and people I hate like Putin I try to judge in a fair manner.
And people I respect like the Dalai Lama I do not judge very often, but in the case of the Karmapa controverse he made some severe mistakes.
@@Hawkeye948 For you it's mistakes which I don't agree at any cost.because you support the person who you believe or trust, whatever who he is, I don't care and respect that idle. my choice, my respect for the one whom many hates of jealousy of his popularity and respect by millions.
@@Tashi_delek_10 If you don´t care than we don´t have to argue.
Both, Karmapa and the Dalai Lama are emanations of Chenresig. And we are praktitioners.
"It’s saddening that the majority of people are against the Karmapa's marriage. 😐 I always try to explain to some people that this marriage is not based on worldly activities but is rather a necessity for some Trulkus. They are required to have a consort to strengthen the dharma's activities and teachings through their lineage, and also to prolong their life.
It shouldn’t matter who the real Karmapa is, does it? 😃 As long as they both are engaging in flourishing Buddha's activities and benefiting all beings. Who knows?
Both could be Karmapas, mind, and body. So please, let’s be kind and grateful for these highly sublime beings."💕🙏 spread love!
Only thoughtful comment here, thanks.
It is better to marry than to have a child and keep on pretending to be a monk.
Dont bullshit
Urgyen Thrinley Dorje is the legit Karmapa.
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Even the english translation AI calls the other guy & Sharmapa - 'cancer'
Inappropriate thumbnail for us who consider his holiness Dalai Lama as spiritual leader and my root guru. It’s disturbing and it’s trigger anger in me which I don’t want to install at alll.
You can disagree with either side. But regardless who you believe, that thumbnail with HH TDL was a cheap shot.
Un Buddhist and unprofessional.
The DL never said or implied anything like that.
Click bait?
Too bad, because the video could have been neutral amd fairly balanced explanation of the facts.
Shame.
Buddha has three bodies... highest body is Dharmakaya body you can compare to (Sky).. Second highest body is Sambhogakaya body like (cloud) & third highest body is Nirmanakaya body like (rain)...so all Rinpoches r the Nirmanakayas of Buddha..Karmapas can b menifest into1,2,3 or uncountable numbers they r all Nirmanakayas form of Buddha..
Is like this in anonymous incarnation is countless, but official us holder of Karmapa lignage, Trinlay Thaye Dorje is the real Karmapa.
At a major press conference attended by the New York Times, Time, Newsweek, etc and major world press, at which I was present, HH the Dalai Lama was asked about the recognition controversy of the 17th Karmapa. He allowed that there might be, according to Tibetan tradition, multiple simultaneous manifestations. But when asked directly, "Who will sit on the throne of the Karmapas?" He stated very clearly that, "Two people cannot sit on one throne." Ugyen Trinley Dorje would be the person on the throne and settled the issue in the presence of the world press. Sadly so many machinations, obstacles and controversies remained through China to control and undermine Tibet and the Dharma though the Dalai Lama was clear on this and other occasions.
No matter what, if every body does not start doin just real Bohdichitta, it can cause big big trouble for this world. No fighting; compromise.
He is not karmapa …the boy who from Tibet is real karma pa and the one who conforms by 14th Dalia la ma
I am monk of Galwa Karmapa Thinley thaye dorje and I have humble request for you please change the thumbnail 🙏
We will! Thank you for your message
@@mymeditationmarathonwhy has the thumbnail not yet been changed like you said you would?
@@mymeditationmarathon The Thumbnail is still waiting to be changed homie :) do it now for bonus karma
@@mymeditationmarathon 11 months later 🤥 🤥 🤥
"We will change the thumbnail..."
11 months later... 🤥
There's always been one Karmapa , and he is suffering the most ..
We believe only real karmapa
For the dalai lama
Palden lhamo khen
Chinese tried to control the Karmapa lineage. Tibet - Bhutan are strategic to their plans. mercifully the dispute has subsided now and the chinese candidate has retreated to a more quiet life. TTD is continuing the lineage and doing great work all over, with Diamond Way Buddhism at the forefront and the students of Lama Ole. Karmapa chenno
The karmapa recognized by Shamarpa is real one.. Dalai lama never recognized any karmapa in history since he belong from Geyluk sect 🙏
Doesnt matter. All of the 4 except for Shamarpa believe in the prophetic letter. Sharmapa acted against the 16th karmapas wish and didn’t give up his power after the given time. He simply acts out of egoism and power hunger. 3rd Jamgon as well as the other two believed in the Letter. Only the one who defied the 16th karmapas wish doesn’t.
We all know the real Karmapa is not OTD.
There is also a 3rd
Karmapa candidate Dawa Zangpo from Mongolian.
Om at hung
Does his holiness said bad about karmapa????lol😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 don't use this kind of thumbnail. it is not a dharma.
@mymeditationmarathon wrote "We will change the thumbnail" 11 months before this comment.
🤥 This is not a reliable source of truthful Dharma info.
10:02 ❤
I never heard that Karmapa married in his past life.
Check the history of XV Karmapa Khakyab Dorje...
15th Karmapa who was a powerhouse married and his sons were lineage holders, 2nd Jamgon Kongtrul and 12th Shamarpa.
17 Well get married but not 16 this people make so nice story don't worry karma is there karma will see
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Urgyen tinley dorjee is real karmapa.dont use his holiness photo.
why did you do that this thumbnail is quite wrong 👇🧠🧠🧠
Isn't it true that great Lamas have clraivoyance power or supernormal power foresee power. If they do have. Then why issue recognising the true one.... something is fishy...
There is no issue though. The Dalai Lama clearly recognized who is the Karmapa so ya he isn't confused and neither are the followers and neither is the Karmapa. It's the common people who are confused if they are on the wrong side, but not the Lama's themselves or the followers of the Lamas.
For rhe Buddha's sakes dilai lama should have been gone👈karmas is Real and most times come in a flash replace dilai with a real great person from Australia 🇦🇺 with Love
The true guru is formless, nondual, dharmakaya - this is your innermost experience of pure being. This guru take the embodiment of bodhicitta or great boundless compassion - which is unconditioned.
Relax, allow, be
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If he is real karma.why he is married..n enjoy life like normal family
Better than Ogyen impregnated Vikki Hui Xin Han who was nun and he left her. I think that true Karmapa didn't do that.
You should stop this false propaganda now.
Tibetans should have been united as one against China but Nope! they go to India and start their own fight.
Don’t know is he karmapa or not but monk with wife and baby! Really? 😂😂😂
The 15th Karmapa Khakhyab Dorje was married
A man without a wife. That is the unusual situation that can lead to unwanted things. Look the at Catholic church and how it leads to paedophilia, just look around you, a happy man with his wife and child is the natural order, there is nothing with with this, especially in our time
Some High lamas are required to have consort for many spiritual purposes. Even my Great grandfather who was once a High Lama had a consort in order to expand his lineage. For instance Our precious Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche was married in order to prolong his health!! We are taught as a tibetan Buddhist not to criticize highly lamas! Who knows? Both could be reincarnation of Karmapas. One mind and one Body! I equally believe in both karmapas not only because they’re reincarnation of karmapa because I believe they both are benefiting all beings by flourishing buddhas precious activities 🙏 🙏🙏
Pls stop creating controversy! You can see the motivation of this video just by the cheap thumbnail and narration that does not have any proven facts. I do not have any personal issue with the second karmapa but this kind of drama is ugly.
Not much faith in those having wife, sorry
THANK you for this video
I am a intuitive from America. This is the true Karmapa, the other one is a fraud. But what do I know, lol
Why did you use His Holiness the Dalai Lama photo…. Stop spreading hatered… he is not Karmakar he married and renounced from monk…
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Why trying to create controversy and confusion? World knows who is tge real reincarnation of 16th Karmapa.... action speaks louder than words!
Bro you made a promise to change your thumbnail so please stick to your word.
Karmapa Trinlay Thaye Dorje.
After being a monk, is a monk allowed to get married ???! Really ??
No! If you marry then you can't call yourself a monk. The precepts can not be compromised by anyone or changed. The Precepts were taught by the Buddha and no one can ever change that. Namo Amituofo!
Well in the case of Tibetan Buddhism, some highly monks are required to take consort for many spiritual reasons! So yes they’re allowed to marry, well in this case of karmapa. He married to expand his lineage!🙏 it would be kind of irony for Theravada Buddhism ..
@@doll_choden99 sickness.
@@doll_choden99 sickness spirit.
@@doll_choden99People do not understand all 3 Turnings of the Wheel..I used to try hard to help people understand, but finally realized not to waste time & energy on people who cannot see the clouds as their eyes are closed because of the heavy rain, nor see the clear sky because of all the clouds. Rather, I now help all those who are ready to see & ask for clarification.❤
Very nice keep it up 👍👌
I was convinced that the Buddha had expressly said that his teachings were non-sectarian?! And look, now the fiercest battle is being fought in his name. So all those preachings about compassion, understanding, universal love and forgiveness are just empty meaningless words. It seems that Boudhism has ultimately become what the Bouddha never envisioned: just another 'ism'. What a shame…
Just the Kagyu school = rife with controversies.
Lama ..la Khenno..🌾🙏
Om a houng be zar Guru Pema sidhi houng
His father is not Rinpoche his father is business man
Om A Houng Bédzar Guru Péma Sidhi Houng
In passed life of 16th Karmapa 15th Karmapa Khachab Dorje was married
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I done care about rinpoche but etuducation is the first where u learn from their is teacher
One is monk and another not
Very nice video 👏
Thz karmapa enjoy married life...
Om ma ni pe me houng hri
No like coz he is not real 17 karma pa...truth only knows Dalia Lama n he recognises ugyen thinkey dorjee is ds real...no need your explanation
They used bokar Rinpoche video dale lama video crazy people fake people
Fake karmapa ! Self praised dukpai makpa🇨🇳
They are both Karmapa .
fake n lies ..
No monk marries and bear children unless he is a yogi. Hence, fake lama/monk.
А вы знаете, что Лама может быть семьянином? Только по факту его статуса -семьянина странно выглядят ваши претензии. В истории Линии перерождений Кармап были Кармапы женатые и имевшие детей.
Pls report this channel misinformation with huge lacking knowledge and information abt Tibetan Buddhism. Which totally misleading.
Could you remove the Holliness photo.
If you don't we are going Report your channel
om mani peme hung
Lama who involve in the sex practice is no more lama ? Lama who keep the wife and childrens is already fall in samsara so he should remove his red uniform to respect the Buddha and Buddhism. He do not have a rights to insult the Buddha and buddhist in the World.😢😢😢
у Будды были дети.
У вас искажено понятие " уважение к Будде и буддизму".Вы также должны знать, что Лама совсем не обязан быть только монахом. В истории тибетского буддизма, были Ламы которые были женаты на нескольких женщинах, например: Марпа -лоцава. Также и линия Кармап имеет примеры как и монахов , так и семьянинов.
Dont spreat hate amongst buddhist.... should mind your own business
It's not based on yes or no it depends on how they improve themselves. I respect both of them, but I do not agree with their followers.
When do you think one of them has the compassion to Show his realization and end the uncernaity?
Fake
Trinley Thaye Dorje isn’t the reincarnation of the 16th Karmapa. Instead, he is the reincarnation of Dorje Shugden.
Ogen trinley dorje is not a real karmapa... he is reincernation by setu rinpoche.....
The authentic 18th karmapa will appear when the time is right. At least in this decade.
Fake lama
All the dream based manupulations are not valid in the law
Of the land,..
Fake karmapa...
Dreams are dreams, who has got a proof? ANY ONE CAN HAVE A WILD DREAMS, IT IS NOT VALID, NO PROOF
I can have a wild dreams that i am a karmapa, ,
After the 16 karmapa dissapears the light was taking with him...he will come back ,be sure.
свет остался,он вне ухода и рождения
Mind corrupt
Karmapa honeymoon was great victorious maybe he will have more babies😂 .
Go and see your parents honeymoon.....
I think you already saw it....
Dream, based manupulations, no proof , to the dreams,
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Shamar "s incarnation was again mamipulated, by Topga, a causin of the 16th, karmapa, ,it is relaibly learned,
Я лично знала Топгу Ринпоче. Ваша информация дискредитирует и его и Шамара Ринпоче. Будьте осторожны со слухами.
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No kharmapa
Karmapa thaye dorjee is a fake..he is not recognized by his holiness...
In my view, no one is fake if that individual meditate and practice the dharma properly and guide the sentient beings by his knowledge. One thing I cannot imagine about Thaye Dorjee is taking a wife and entering into family life.
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@@lamamonlam6902 but he can only be a lama or rinpochey n not a karmapa....this karmapa name is only enthroned to karmapa ogyen thinley dorjee. Shamar rinpoche is not the highest lama.. Each n Every rinpoche has to go through the acceptance of his holiness...
You people can follow but we real Tibetan or buddhist can't follow...🙏🙏🙏
@@savetibet1086 Yes you are right, I have no thing to say concerning this situation.
@@savetibet1086 About Shamarpa he is not the highest Lama but he is Shamarpa.
Don't against
DOG NEVER BECOME A TIGER
Dog is very good friends of humans,
but tiger eats humans also.
@@lamamonlam6902 IF DOG IS BECOME A MAD NEED TO KILL
TIGER NEVER BE A MAD
YOUR KARMAPA IS LIKE A CHINES FUNDED SAME AS PENCHEN LAMA GOD BLESS YOU
они люди
@luciagiolla