What Happened to Path of Exile 2?!
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- Seriously, what's up with POE2? This is the story of Path of Exile 2 so far, from its jam-packed beginnings to its certainly controversial present. Grinding Gear Games is cooking up quite the ARPG for us, now aren't they? Enjoy, my fellow totally sane exiles.
Massive credit to all the amazing PoE creators who contributed to this video: @CaptainLance9, @SchwingyGaming, @hawg_tv, @dreamcore_gg, @OMGItsJousis, and @KittenCatNoodle, as well as @playpathofexile and @KamilOrmanJanowski for the POE2 footage and music. Additionally, footage from @dmdiablo4, @GhazzyTV, @Zizaran, @Kripparrian, @wudijo, @ZiggyDGaming, and @JoshStrifeHayes was used to make this poe2 video.
Chapters...
What's Up With POE2? - 0:00
The POE2 Reveal - 1:58
The Curious Silence - 6:08
The Shock Change - 8:10
Huge Scope Creep - 12:53
Path of Exile 2's Future - 18:39
Retrospective - 21:10
#pathofexile #pathofexile2 #poe #poe2 
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Lots of comments about the full acquisition of GGG by Sixjoy/Tencent, going from 87% ownership since 2018 to 100% in March 2024. I am giving GGG some time to address it before I dive in. My high-level take is nothing will change, GGG will continue to make excellent game(s). Thank you all for the tremendous support on this video! Another hits Saturday.
What can Tencent do now that they couldn't do before?
Tbh I don't think the full acquisition will change anything. Tencent usually doesn't lay hands on the production, just buys the companies. Same thing happened to Digital Extreme (devs of Warframe) and the game didn't take a different route from where it was already going. I feel like these delays are just a product of the development pipeline. They have an impossible amount of shit to get through and don't want to fumble it. THeres already SO MUCH hype, time and resources invested on it that the beta itself already has to be robust, let alone the launch
@@rubisco5997 The question is not what tencent can do but what Chris and Jonathan won't do now that they don't have any financial investment more than their salarys.
@@Linahres007 The question is, does Tencent supply the necessary funding to have two games running at the same time or will we just get mediocre leagues in both games now
@@n91312obviously or they wouldnt make that deal?
I think it's one of your best videos in a while TakTri, you came back to the roots of addressing the history that take us back to what where and why. I am sure it took a lot of a digging time, but that is why i subscribed to your channel in the first place.
Thanks a bunch, exile. I appreciate it.
Chris's emotion just pouring out for PoE2's unveiling gets me every time, such a great moment
The emotion, what finding a wild mageblood i would assume would be my reaction as well
The emotion, what finding a wild mageblood i would assume would be my reaction as well
About halfway through the video and I just want to say Mark from GGG is the success story I wish more game companies like this would champion and promote. He started as a QA tester, proves his love and passion for the game, apparently worked his absolute ass off for several years, and now he's the #1 lead designer on it making decisions hand in hand with Owners of the original company. Just an absolute success story of hard work and passion.
This is your best video to date, love your content. Keep up with the good work
That was a great Video Essay, Tri. Well done
Quality Video as always Tri, your 10-year evolution Video is the reason I play the game; keep it up!
Missed your stuff, man. You have such a great voice for entertainment. Hope you and the family are well!
Hahaha the prediction section had me chuckling.
Amazing summary, got me both sad and hyped again :)
I wonder if there's any connection to the completion of the sale and the current status (and radio silence) of POE2. They went from hyping this game for June/July beta to selling their remaining shares and delaying the beta until the end of the year. Intriguing.
i agree, i think the 3 of them selling their remaing shares to tencent has something to do with the delay. and it was done quietly
I'm still hyped, but it's taking a lot of mental energy to keep up this hype years past the anticipated initial release. I'd rather I didn't know about it at all in advance.
I feel the same, as someone who was ultra-hyped since the announcement in 2019... Is such a pain waiting all this years, and the game is delayed again is like a kick in the balls... to be honest I don't think this game will even be released this year... Is like you said: "I'd rather I didn't know about it at all in advance".
@@NihiloNihilum to be fair it wasn't expecting a full release until l sometime in 2025.
Dont act like u are doing something epic hard. Its simple. If u love PoE, u are not hyped. Cuz you know that its gonna be the best sht u've ever played.
Imagine what it takes to make a game for thousands like u.
@@salvadorscar6057 Actually, I know damn well...
@@ChrisWhitonSure bro.
Whenever it does come out, I'm going to jump so deep into that game they'll never find me again.
When new video from TT rings, I am thinking whether is PoE I or PoE II about :)
Stopped playing back in scourge and was planning on jumping back in with POE 2 but it got delayed a bunch and here I am still waiting.
last point was fucking dumb, if i told my wife i was going to give her a something she really wanted, something she waited for years to get. Then a short while before she was going to get it said she has to wait a year to get it, she would be pissed.
With that said i dont mind the delay, just the fact that they give us an date that the beta is going out then take it back just before.
just dont give out a fucking date.
The give a date then take back is the bad part.. . Some people set their vacation for that month exactly because of it
This shows you have no clue how games are made. You have targets, everything flowing well, then you intrude an asset or function just before release and it can completely break the game functionality. These things happen.
@@chrismcallister3495they just have to use a previous version even if the game is unfinished or buggy it’s still playable pr the game is a crap and don’t want to show it
@neortik7 blizzard puts out shit just to get it out. There is no chance I would ever put out a game that was not correct or I knew was buggy. This is an asinine take.
i knew i'd find childish "i want my toy NOW" takes... yall worship eurocentric culture, a culture of egotistic liars, thieves and genocide lovers. yet when someone screws you over, like what is normally happening in every aspect of your culture, you cant understand that its culturally incentivized and instead want to think its individual bad actors lol.
thanks for the recap :}
:D
I think the sooner they get it in the players hands, the sooner they can get the feedback they need to balance and fix any issues they may encounter, they have already admitted in the past they don't have the capacity to test it fully themselves. The need an active functional economy in the game to really see how it works.
Well, they will get the feedback during its beta, and for the next 15 years of development lol. Just like poe1
This is your jam! Great video. I agree we are all anxious and vocal about PoE2 because we are passionate about it. Let them cook indeed.
One point I haven't seen discussed about and we can cirle back to now is:
Now that Path of Exile 2 is not PoE 4.0, what is Path of Exile 4.0 going to be like?
Very good question, do we know how many leagues will be coming before 4.0?
@@th1zzend220 no. We don’t. But I’d guess 4.0 will not happen before the launch of PoE2 unless they want to surprise us again in July
We're so back!
Hey bro, it’s great to have you back! ❤
This was a great video.. Thanks
Cool video, i cant wait for poe 2!
Can't tell if you managed to find some clips from twitch or got the other creators to say the title for you - eitherway it's amazing!
I reached out and asked a few people :)
Premieres in 7 hours?! Aww but Im ready now lol.
I would like to watch it live with you all, I’m in the office today and it’s a LONG one :)
@@TalkativeTri Just curious what do you do? Aside from yt obviously. If you're willing to answer.
I'm a Director of Paid Media. I run a team, manage massive recruitment campaigns, and experiment lots of different media platforms and media management tools.
A good one, as always. Sadly too late for my time zone
Games always go really well when the entire vision and direction changes multiple times. I am sure it’s gonna work out great,
could you dig into the stock share sell out of the three founders Hawg was talking about in his recent video?
I really hope they dont make the mistake by making it souls-like in its difficulty. Would be disasterous. The popularity in POE is not of its difficulty of combat. Its the complexity and in depth of its skill and crafting system. Otherwise everyone would play Ruthless, which no-one obviously plays.
Considering the roll out of ruthless, lake of kalandra and the their defense if it, and even the current league, I'm betting it's very dark souls like
A great overview video over what has happend over the last few years couse there was alot.
One thing i have't heard u talk about though is the Pandemic, couse i know it delayed the beta by at least a year becouse of the strict quarantine protocols New Zealand had back then.
Personally i want to see the game launch this year couse while i am the patient type even i am getting a little annoyed at the delays, even with good reasons, couse they can't delay it again.
Agreed. Let them cook!
Never not delay, you can release the game only once.
If they are going to add mounts and mounted combat in the game, I can wait another year.
But ggg is now 100% sold
Makes you wonder.......
Tencent usually doesn’t really meddle in profitable companies they own. They don’t want to fuck up a company that makes them money.
Although I understand it didn't work out that way for a variety of reasons, I just wish they hadn't announced it until like, this year. It's been tough knowing about this game for so many years and get nothing for it.
im waiting for STALKER 2 for 20 years now, i dont mind giving GGG another 3 years if its going to mean getting a great game.
i dont mind the WASD adding in crossbow or hell, even as a spell caster. new game, new features
well hog the content creator pointed out that why did ggg sell all of its remaining stock in late march to tencent? is that why its being delayed? if that is true; well what would happen to poe2?
Great overview of what's been going on. I was surprised to see myself in here not just once but twice!
Two run two games at once. They must have a huge dedicated team for specific games. Or switch em up every so often to keep it fresh for em. Also new ideas.
I've been playing path of exile now for almost 11 years and I'm still pretty hyped for POE 2 whenever it release despite the changes and delays I'm just going to trust the process. When they pushed the beta back to later this year I was a little disappointed but not totally surprised. Given what happened with D4 GGG is being ultra careful about how this game is released and I think that's okay. The core of POE1 is in a good place, Last epoch should be releasing their patch soon, and new games in other genres ( ie Manor Lords) coming out all the time. We just have to be patient while we wait for POE2...stay sane exiles
I think they literally are not done because of how much there is, not that they are waiting for the perfect moment to allow access.
Gentle Reminder: ( Me Included ) Every person that feels this is "taking too long" or "duped" etc.. We would be the FIRST ones on here posting if the game came under-cooked that they "Should have just taken more time" Yes it sucks. Just helping you all help me, by reminding me that when it drops it will be awesome.
Edit: This is what a game looks like when it's made by a team of passionate gamers. For a Legion of devoted serious passionate gamers. Let it do what it does. (Please be fair and continue keeping us in the loop). But let er cook. It will be AMAZING as a result. My 2 cents.
My question is "what happened to Cris Wilson?" Where is he?
Almost retired. He get is money 💰
i wish game will be really hard in terms of gameplay and not creating builds. And this dark souls follow-up will be massive. To be different than just a brain-mastering game like poe 1 and other hns. Where those skill synergies are really matter even in end-game till we really spent a looooot to get bis items to be allowed to game-breaking and overcome the diffuclty with items
Holy quality video! Incredible work here you're going places
Been awhile since you put out a video
Work has been BUSY.
5 years on the release of the game is a very long time in the world of video games
before the game is released, there will already be games with movie graphics quality, in 2030 the gaming market will look completely different
5 years is normal for a big game.
@@fast1nakus lolwut, not even close, friend. Games have 3 year incubation periods. Rog and Neon are... well, they ain't the brightest bulb on the tree. They had a golden goose, w eggs every 3 months, then they took all the goodwill and hopes built up on Poe 1 and wasted ALL of the money they made on PoE 2, which is going to go over like a lead balloon. Chris Wilson seems to have abandoned the company, and Rog seems to have 0 idea why Path of Exile/Diablo was even popular in the first place.
@@nonyabeeswacks1919 I guess elden ring is a shit game, cuz it took them 5 years.
Bro. Games are difficult to make. The time can change depending on money, teamsize, genre etc.
Ggg is a small studio. There is no way they can make a full game in 3 years. You're tripping.
@@nonyabeeswacks1919You clearly don't work in the industry and talk out of your ass. It's very common for games (or other big dev projects in other industries) to take half a decade before they come to fruition.
Claiming 3 years is some kind of "standard" is just so far from reality, you have no fucking idea. I've seen projects take 2 years before development even begins.
@@nonyabeeswacks1919 This take is so hot it burned me through the screen remotely
can yu provide the footage you used on this video? They look cool
It's all on my second channel, Explorative Tri!
@@TalkativeTri Ohhh nice
Considering the state of PoE in the closed beta GGG might as well let it roll as an closed beta at least. Or even Last Epoch's beta. People understand a beta but all the delay and the rumblings about stock trades it seems preferable.
Thoughts on GGG just selling all remaining shares off ?. Chris Jonathan and Eric just handed over their remaining shares to tencent.
Their contract with Tencent says that Tencent only has creative rights over China's version of PoE. Not on anywhere else's. I don't care how many shares they have, they aren't allowed to just change the game all willy nilly. It's always been like this. Y'all need to pay better attention lol
@@question3v3ryth1ng5 I wasn't making any presumptions either way. I just asked for thoughts as it was interesting. I'm also a warframe player and that game hasn't suffered under Tencent majority holding. I'm just interested why they sold the remainder
@@question3v3ryth1ng5 If GGG is completely owned by Tencent they have more pull than what version of the game releases in China. Contract or no. They own the company...
I am D4 player,but PoE2 is kind of game you get,when your primary object is not to milk as much money as possible.
Absolutely fine with delays as it should be done when it's done, not when it's "decided". Game is on its finishing line anyway considering overall development and Poe is still there to enjoy, can't complaint at that.
They sold to a publisher. Hmm…A we currently on a crusade against publishers ruining games with micro transactions that the devs never intended to put in the game? I’m concerned for the potential for this.
I always hear that tencent doesn't change a lot of things in games they invest in...so hopefully all the main architecture is already laid down and won't be modified a lot. EDIT, very good informative video!
i miss chris wilson. he is a huge part of poe and i hope he return for league reveals (2 people can share that :))
Yeah, game isnt out before summer 2025 now for sure.
Whoa whoa chill with the S.O. analogy there buddy :P If we take that one a step too far Chris and Jonathan are gonna expect a gluckgluck 9000 as a reward for planning our beautiful surprise :p
Archer on mount 😮
Seriously, wild.
It may be delayed again for late 2025 release for beta.
Now we just need the news that game directors are changing and the game is being redone from the ground up (cries in Riot MMO)
It starts to approach what's been happening with Star Citizen, but not quite there yet. Good things come to those who wait. Let them cook.
Game will probably come out either 2025 mid year or 2026
Preper your computer of NASA.
If its a choice between an earlier but rushed product or a perfect release, the perfect release should be what people want. You can only launch once and POE2's goal is to attract a new player base. If it releases badly, we'll have a Diablo 4 situation where no one but the most dedicated stick around.
However, a part of me does think, why not release it 90% of the way there. But that missing 10% can mean a lot, look at all our league launches where they keep fixing and then its alright by around week 2 but a good chunk of the layer base has left already.
They don't have any pressing competition, so they can craft the perfect game which is a rare oppourtunity for any game developer.
I will gladly wait until 2030 to play a game that's READY to be released than experience another game in decades of releases being half done, playable or pressured into "getting it out".
GGG has a fantastic mind set when it comes delaying staggering news and spreading out information to reduce the likely hype-train accident that's already ruined plenty of games that had potential. Honestly, I CAN wait for this and it will be worth it.
As for Blizzard in the good old days, I'd rather them deliver a finished product. It's ready when it's ready.
Agreed with every single word. Its like you go to an expensive restaurant, and trying to hurry the cheff. Its the fcking cheff whos cooking the best fcking dishes. You are not gonna tell this guy that you just wanna eat. To not starve to death, theres simplier food...But you want to experience a masterpice, yourself. So..
Let them cook.
You think PoE2 is gonna look and perform like it does in this video?
No, I think this is a pure showcase. I think it'll be a bit more cluttered and fast-paced, but NOT on the level of POE1.
@@TalkativeTri I'm getting 4fps in blight.
Git it Tri!
They should delay it for another year to make sure everything works I have feeling it's gonna be awesome.
Game not yet out and already changed xD
What happened to path of exile 2. What happened to path of exile 2.
great video
looks yumi
Let them cook! The best food I ever had took 9 hours to make.
This is why GGG is the GOAT of game devs because they can do what Blizzard used to live by before Activision. Doing it for the love of the game and bringing it out when its done! Just like the guys that made Bladers Gate 3.
It will become the best ARPG ever hands down I guarantee it.
Thats right brother.
I predict poe2 will be out sometime in 2026.
It’s smart for them to make it separate especially after a huge fail from D4. New audience will be attracted to it vs the depth of poe1. It’s gon be goood
Tencent is an infection, we will see what happens, but I'm not holding my breath.
it's crazy to me that GGG let tencent invest in them - and then eventually buy them out. they were on an upwards trajectory the entire time before tencent initially invested in them. I honestly don't think anything would have changed with the game if tencent didn't invest / buy them out. Weird decision, but the millions of dollars chris and his co founders would make probably influenced the decision.
no way you did a video, where you paint as poe2 was canceled for almost 18 minutes? holy.
Perfectionizing is what updates are for. They need to strike while the iron is hot. AAPRGs might be in a whole different place next year or 2026.
Hey, what's up with Path of Exile 2?
I heard the game is in development apparently
dead
@3:00 This was actually a subtle dig at D4's announcement cinematic which had just been shown at BlizzCon a few weeks earlier. There was public perception that Blizzard hastily put something together as damage control for the Diablo Immortal disconnect. Jonathan actually speculated that when Blizzard announced DI they weren't making a Diablo 4, because it seemed suspect that they wouldn't in the very least hint at some type of plans towards it. Even just flashing the word "D4" across the screen without saying anything would have been enough to blow up news coverage for BlizzCon. Instead, the following news coverage about the Diablo franchise was focused on the disconnect.
So when D4's announcement cinematic was released it raised up cynicism about the project, the heavily rumored developmental hell, the consistent turn over of project leadership etc.
You can double check this, but I'm pretty sure I'm remembering this correctly. That's why Chris said what he did with that specific inflection, why Ziggy laughed like that, and why Tarke was sarcastic.
I was hoping for a collaboration with Lisa Su
saying :
I give you 10 AMD cards and 10 solid state drives
to the first 10 streamers to log in to path of exile 2 and say thank you aunt Lisa SU
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." - Shigeru Miyamoto.
I wonder if my pc can handle thaz game😂 have an amd ryzen 7600 and 3060ti i was about to change my graphics soon but i hope it works with that card
Hopefully it won't take as long as star citizen or 7 days to die to get finished. It was going to be a beta in june. no one was expecting the perfect game. maybe before the end of the year then.
Been playing PoE since 2013..., just let them cook :)
Path of Exile is the best when there is a healthy feedback loop of GGG shipping things and players "beta testing" it after launch and GGG iterating on the players feedback.
I think the continous delays with the excuse of polishing will just lead to even higher expectation and the sooner they give up chasing the unattainable perfect product is the better for everyone.
ignoring the fundamental unbreakable rule of your economic distribution system to invest in an industry that has no mathematical possibility of survival because that industry makes something you are addicted to.. so many people committing economic self termination by not just being honest and realizing perpetual consolidation of wealth kills all non essential markets and eventually all essential markets... perpetual consolidation only leads to a handful of people "owning" every imaginable thing on earth..
Yup ... Ill wait. dont need to cyberpunk 2077 issues
I think the main reason for all the turmoil with its release date and scope came purely from *external assumptions* Namely, Diablo.
Originally, it was going to be a nice overhaul to play dance to the assumed D4 release, but that never came. I think they were keeping PoE 2 information close to their chest (staying silent) to counter-reveal Blizzard.
Diablo Immortal was announced as a practical still-birth of hype at the end of 2018 where GGG had already been cooking with PoE 2, then the "real" Diablo (4) was announced GGG had prepared for that after watching Blizz scramble and implode.
Then in the time between that and D4 getting content, GGG could just sit and cook with PoE 2.
And then when they announced the beta with a nice chunk of ideas/content in contention for D4, Diablo 4 released to also absolute mediocrity. A pretty game with a fun campaign but nothing to really bite down into that ARPG players really crave.
That is why it's been delayed again, PoE 1 is still the best ARPG on the market. GGG have earned good-will and support (mostly) and Blizzard are just tripping over themselves trying to create something that can stand the test of time.
Whilst I am worried for what amounts ot self-cannibalism of the games, if the paid content is split between both games then in theory they can live in harmony. Have whichever game is more popular be the focus (with an obvious prio on PoE 2 to begin with) and if they play differently they can be different flavours. (Keeping a blizz comparison here, vanilla/SoD could be seen as cannibalism of their own market share but they have the same income stream. You can also compare games such as Vermintide/Darktide for one developer keeping both games alive or Totalwarhammer sharing DLC)
since they delayed it, i'll grind my way to No Rest.. Got bored with Necropolis, and i bought supporter pack 6 months ago and my shirts/hoodie is no where to be found.
GGG got bought out by Six joy(Suck joy) Hong Kong owned by Tencent 💀💀
Let 'em cook. There are plenty of excellent games out there, POE 1 is still the best ARG, no need to rush POE 2 and release something before it's ready.
More competition with superior visuals, that beta delay did them no favours and has helped d4's comeback with key patch in two weeks, not two years.
Jonathan needs to learn the maxim, "Never let Perfect be the enemy of Good." Of course, GGG would also be well-served by learning to keep long-standing promises... ='[.]'=
You need to learn not to not think your "maxims" qualifies you to patronize your betters.
GGG does keep their promises. But you need to understand that a "planned release date" is not a promise.
@@NoName-mi8js My "betters?" Who the hell are YOU to assign merit? As for the promise to which I refer, I couldn't care less about the PoE Too release. I was talking about Chris Wilson's promise in 2019 that PoE 2 would be an expansion to the existing game, with a plethora of much-needed improvements now denied. =9[.]9=
Like fixing melee in poe
We're really not going to talk about the fact that they just sold the rest of the company to Tencent?...
The rest ? You mean GGG were not fully owned by Tencent before?
@@deceiver444 Correct, the remainder of what they owned was sold off at the end of March.
@@VegaSnipe do you personally see aspects of this sale that could significantly be detrimental to GGG's work one PoE2 ?
@@deceiver444 I don't know, but there are talks about that being potentially the real reason why the beta was delayed. Speculation about monetization reworks. (Tencent style)
It's coming, and its going to kick Blizzard's arse, end of discussion.