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  • Published on Apr 17, 2026
  • I fixed every terrible secret coin in Geometry Dash, ranging from Stereo Madness and Dash to Geometry Dash Meltdown or Geometry Dash Subzero! Will my coins be good enough for the judge, GD Colon?
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  • @Cobgd
    @Cobgd  9 months ago +2415

    If you could add ONLY one of these fixes to the game, which one would it be? 🤔

  • @jinpatch
    @jinpatch 8 months ago +2757

    bro talking about "i won"t disappoint colon" "i couldn't make the same mistake again" only to proceed to disappoint colon and make the same mistake again

    • @fnafrrayu
      @fnafrrayu 8 months ago +37

      Exactly

    • @lavstoviglie010
      @lavstoviglie010 7 months ago +90

      bro rly made a joke coin in fingerdash when he skipped one..

    • @alyssabrowning7200
      @alyssabrowning7200 7 months ago +7

      Spoiler blocker

    • @Mattthaman
      @Mattthaman 6 months ago

      @alyssabrowning7200the fuck does that do

    • @lines626
      @lines626 5 months ago +23

      He obviously remade all the coins before showing Colon.

  • @123gohed8
    @123gohed8 6 months ago +796

    3:09 "Was it even worth it to keep pushing?" bro you have a whole 24 levels left and you just started

    • @jamesrock-i7g
      @jamesrock-i7g 5 months ago +86

      No no he should have given up immediately

    • @NeedleBFDIBFDIAIDFBBFBTPOT
      @NeedleBFDIBFDIAIDFBBFBTPOT 5 months ago +9

      ​@jamesrock-i7g💀

    • @ChaseFoxy
      @ChaseFoxy 4 months ago +31

      Ik bro I wish anyone else made a video like this

    • @jakkees
      @jakkees 3 months ago +14

      Slight overreaction

    • @Zen7he
      @Zen7he 3 months ago +9

      ​@jakkees me when the guy with nut allergy gets knocked out by a brick to the head

  • @merkyperky
    @merkyperky 4 months ago +45

    "I did not say that shit. Stop quoting stuff I never said."
    - Sun Tzu, The Art of War

  • @GDColon
    @GDColon 9 months ago +7235

    thank you so much for having me unc this was a blast to record, results were a lot closer than i was expecting :)

  • @TimInGames
    @TimInGames 9 months ago +1641

    “I fixed gd terrible coins”❌ i tried fixing gd coins✅✅✅

    • @fnafrrayu
      @fnafrrayu 9 months ago +143

      And failed ✅️✅️✅️

    • @TimInGames
      @TimInGames 9 months ago +7

      @RrayuYT fr

    • @TTrunKK
      @TTrunKK 8 months ago +6

      @RrayuYT HECK NO this secret coin SUCKS why would you just make the ending revealed bro!

    • @nnnight09
      @nnnight09 8 months ago +27

      ​@RrayuYT C'mon, failure is at least trying smth

    • @fnafrrayu
      @fnafrrayu 8 months ago +16

      ​@pieceofwaterofficial you're right, but he still failed

  • @priteshpatel4031
    @priteshpatel4031 5 months ago +91

    13:45 HE DID THE IMPOSSIBLE TIMING

    • @StudioSuppriméOST
      @StudioSuppriméOST 3 months ago

      That meme isn't even funny anymore bro.

    • @Abe2-o5o
      @Abe2-o5o 3 months ago +7

      @StudioSuppriméOST that comment was a month ago ✌️🙏😭

    • @StudioSuppriméOST
      @StudioSuppriméOST 3 months ago +1

      ​@Abe2-o5o It was never funny to begin with.
      Made you look :3

    • @Abe2-o5o
      @Abe2-o5o 3 months ago

      @W@StudioSuppriméOST then why say anymore your implying that it was funny

    • @StudioSuppriméOST
      @StudioSuppriméOST 3 months ago

      ​@Abe2-o5o It was funny one time. The first time.

  • @ermez0
    @ermez0 8 months ago +3703

    why is bro acting like colon is about to kill his family if he loses this 😭

  • @tazerzx
    @tazerzx 6 months ago +321

    13:00 “The obsession of wall coins borderline unhealthy!” Cob’s branched paths…

    • @iliamk6566
      @iliamk6566 Month ago +4

      the real obsession was his obsession for messing up troll paths.

  • @maxnoed
    @maxnoed 3 months ago +26

    the ONLY reson you nearly lost is because you skipped 30% of the coins

    • @maxnoed
      @maxnoed 2 months ago

      I meant lost

    • @SomeRandomOrangeThing
      @SomeRandomOrangeThing 28 days ago

      Fr, even me (a child) can do better😭✌️

    • @DrMario67
      @DrMario67 16 days ago +1

      @SomeRandomOrangeThing don't admit your age on the internet

    • @thunderwing41
      @thunderwing41 4 days ago

      bro he nearly lost because he literally didn't even think about who was judging him and make all the things that colon hates

  • @KaotikCoke
    @KaotikCoke 9 months ago +356

    27:42 Deadlocked 3rd Coin
    Colon: OOOOHHHHHH
    also Colon: sorry im giving to robtop

    • @vaulto
      @vaulto 7 months ago +45

      For being the coin guy he really doesn't make sense in what he actually wants

    • @LudicrosityIndustries
      @LudicrosityIndustries 7 months ago +17

      @vaulto ngl I understand his decisions
      I'm only a little irked that Cob didn't use the epic swag route for GD coin 1 (where you fall into the gravity portal and do a little bunny-hop over the buggy hitboxes just to hit the O R B with a max jump)

    • @hydxy1367
      @hydxy1367 3 months ago +2

      when you think about it, it makes sense since it's pretty much free especially by the time you get the skill to beat deadlocked

    • @Beesmoments1374
      @Beesmoments1374 Month ago

      Help 31:02

  • @iskalub
    @iskalub 8 months ago +246

    Saying you watched colon as a KID and then calling yourself unc for playing the game Six years ago in the same breath makes me feel old

  • @Geometry_dude14
    @Geometry_dude14 4 months ago +67

    I PROMISE some furry saying “I didn’t like that” Isnt going to ruin your life

    • @Viteezzz
      @Viteezzz 4 months ago +12

      foreshadowing (it will)

  • @sdslayer100
    @sdslayer100 9 months ago +2352

    I think every coin should've been made into a fake wall
    peak video, havent felt so engaged watching gd content in a while

  • @SpeedLagging
    @SpeedLagging 9 months ago +1170

    Dude why were you acting like going down 1 point was a monumental deficit

    • @Cobgd
      @Cobgd  9 months ago +340

      it kinda was 😭😭😭

    • @limwengfatt5004
      @limwengfatt5004 9 months ago +10

      💀

    • @ethan_postsrandomstuff
      @ethan_postsrandomstuff 9 months ago +12

      w pfp

    • @Strugly_real
      @Strugly_real 9 months ago

      @CobgdBRUH😂

    • @Deki_Na
      @Deki_Na 9 months ago +80

      Colon was the judge, so it really was a monumental deficit, especially considering how many coins were already good enough (Less room for error)

  • @lukaradojevic8172
    @lukaradojevic8172 4 months ago +19

    16:45 i feel like its a bad idea beacouse now when new players play the level they will think that every ! is a coin

  • @christopherjobin-official7440

    You know, sometimes the "wall coins" you replace are just wall coins that look worse and mess with the level's composition and focus.

    • @PGRPixels
      @PGRPixels 2 months ago +6

      In all honesty my main complaint with Colon’s coin criticism was his weird hatred of fake walls, like not only does removing the walls make the structure uglier 90% of the time, but it also makes the coin way too obvious, like yea maybe not 500 of them but at least they’re better than pure coins.

    • @luccioagogo8051
      @luccioagogo8051 Month ago +2

      ​@PGRPixelsnah, some pure coins are goated. Wall coins aren't necessarily bad(Deadlocked and Geometrical Dominator are examples)

  • @sailf1sh
    @sailf1sh 9 months ago +450

    Bro had to change the rules for dash because he was losing 💀

  • @Jmation_2013
    @Jmation_2013 2 months ago +14

    17:17 excuse me what

  • @tristanmahardhikawinedar4347

    The Stereo Madness Third Coin route could have been fixed by buffing into an extreme demon.

  • @Klaux
    @Klaux 9 months ago +476

    39:12 hold up, his writing is THIS fire????

  • @Jmation_2013
    @Jmation_2013 2 months ago +4

    33:14 I got violent flashbacks from when Grimm violated me

  • @MatMart
    @MatMart 9 months ago +1223

    Ur really calling urself unc for playing for 6 years when I've been playing for 11!
    Easily one of the best vids this year though this was so well made and it has GD Cologne

    • @Cobgd
      @Cobgd  9 months ago +192

      means a lot big bro ❤

    • @GDColon
      @GDColon 9 months ago +219

      give this man a true

    • @matthewwright7309
      @matthewwright7309 9 months ago +8

      ​@GDColonFacts 🔥

    • @Narwhal3731
      @Narwhal3731 9 months ago +3

      9/10 years myself lol I don’t really remember I’m only 13 😅

    • @stev1038
      @stev1038 9 months ago +17

      ​@Narwhal3731bro was grinding gd in the daycare

  • @itschrisboi
    @itschrisboi 6 months ago +117

    20:57 most players are NOT going to the bottom; they're immediately pulling up so they don't die to the bottom spikes 💀🙏

    • @tapper15
      @tapper15 3 months ago +2

      Trueee

    • @wolfpup9141
      @wolfpup9141 2 months ago +2

      But there’s also top spikes…? I think at 3x speed the straight fly is easier than trying to pull up

    • @johndoe-d4y8f
      @johndoe-d4y8f Month ago +2

      ​@wolfpup9141the top spikes is deadly but less deadly than the bottom because its less tight

    • @aykarain
      @aykarain Month ago +3

      i think i'd just die to the saws too many times to not get that 3rd coin, so i'd just go bottom route every time because of the awkward saws otherwise

    • @Ber_months
      @Ber_months 29 days ago

      Shut tf up and the skull emoji is SUPER outdated

  • @demonase_yt6145
    @demonase_yt6145 5 months ago +47

    2 adds every 5mins is crazy

    • @Jaiko-m2c
      @Jaiko-m2c 4 months ago +3

      He just wants money

    • @Messmer_da_Impaler
      @Messmer_da_Impaler 4 months ago +16

      @Jaiko-m2cRUclips does it automatically, no creator input can change the abysmal ad amount

    • @RealElevenTimes
      @RealElevenTimes 4 months ago

      @Messmer_da_Impaler ruclips.net/video/Hn31YCrGCXc/video.htmlsi=tg1qfUV0T6frMdDx literary a tutorial that shows that you can customize your ad amount.

    • @mysticolbeing
      @mysticolbeing 4 months ago

      Adds are how RUclipsrs make most money

    • @mysticolbeing
      @mysticolbeing 4 months ago +1

      @Messmer_da_Impaler some creators can chooses their adds

  • @cathyrayGD
    @cathyrayGD 9 months ago +214

    a lot of these would be really good in custom levels but i can see why theyre kind of overkill by robtop standards, like the last coin in stereo madness is so iconic because there's nothing else like it

    • @Cobgd
      @Cobgd  9 months ago +30

      fair enough ngl

    • @TheUKBall
      @TheUKBall 9 months ago +2

      If i were the host, you would've won​@Cobgd

    • @MirneticsGMD
      @MirneticsGMD 9 months ago +8

      glaze​@TheUKBall

    • @n2co2o2on
      @n2co2o2on 9 months ago +5

      ​@TheUKBall glazing harder than a baker 😭🙏

    • @UTPmemes
      @UTPmemes 4 months ago +3

      @TheUKBall glazing harder than krispy creme 😭

  • @Soapy_GMD
    @Soapy_GMD 9 months ago +40

    22:15 "WHAT THE H*LL IS GOING ON THERE" - Gd colon

  • @Gavin-s5l4z
    @Gavin-s5l4z 4 months ago +4

    9:02 got me off guard lol

  • @TheRedTiger76
    @TheRedTiger76 9 months ago +86

    38:48 all that hype and drama for that lmaooooo

  • @marvelousgaminghero4248
    @marvelousgaminghero4248 9 months ago +69

    22:13 I like how Colon went from proud to confused, incredibly quickly 😂

  • @cookie-i2p
    @cookie-i2p 5 months ago +3

    27:44 "OOOHOOOOOOOHHH! sorry, nah"

  • @marceYT_rsgdr
    @marceYT_rsgdr 9 months ago +63

    29:57 SIR THE COIN IS CHASING THE MONSTERS

  • @Sebelunio
    @Sebelunio 9 months ago +323

    Why were you skipping coins????? Any change gives a chance for a point, skipping them is literally just giving up

    • @MirneticsGMD
      @MirneticsGMD 9 months ago +3

      Sybau

    • @Wrassling_Mimic
      @Wrassling_Mimic 9 months ago +45

      I believe he didn't see how he would change them.

    • @MirneticsGMD
      @MirneticsGMD 9 months ago +1

      Because sybau​@ODEF.

    • @ODEF.
      @ODEF. 9 months ago +8

      Do you even know what it means or do you just say it to be cool (because it really isn't

    • @MirneticsGMD
      @MirneticsGMD 9 months ago +3

      I just say it to annoy people like you 😊​@ODEF.

  • @RyanMaier-s7w
    @RyanMaier-s7w 2 months ago +2

    Those mana orbs really did the touch

  • @goli749
    @goli749 8 months ago +25

    Not me screaming at my screen that you should stop skipping coins

  • @William8Million
    @William8Million 9 months ago +134

    You were given so much feedback and you still pulled the same mistakes. You probably could’ve won if you listened, revised at least a little bit and attempted to top the coins you skipped.
    Edit: yo chat I digged in and remembered colon is hard to please, mb. Point still stands abt him not learning from his mistakes

    • @rudrodeepchatterjee
      @rudrodeepchatterjee 9 months ago +17

      Did he have colon test each level after editing, or did he edit all the levels and had colon test them at once?

    • @ThatWeirdKid-692hj
      @ThatWeirdKid-692hj 9 months ago +9

      Nah colon is a crazy critic, he isnt THAT easy to please

    • @constellar04
      @constellar04 9 months ago +4

      true BUT colon is insanely critical and pretty hypocritical as well lol

    • @ThatWeirdKid-692hj
      @ThatWeirdKid-692hj 9 months ago +1

      ​@constellar04wait how is he a hypocrite

    • @constellar04
      @constellar04 9 months ago +14

      @ThatWeirdKid-692hj constantly correcting gameplay choices someone else makes and like 90+% of his levels have absolutely horrendous gameplay themselves

  • @RelishSander
    @RelishSander 16 days ago +1

    RobTop in the back takin' notes

  • @Bee_3456
    @Bee_3456 7 months ago +15

    5:44 they're called secret coins for a reason Cob💀

  • @bindu2552
    @bindu2552 8 months ago +28

    8:07 bros glazing himself

  • @aprilfelipe8357
    @aprilfelipe8357 3 months ago +2

    17:31 ok that was NOT the wind.

  • @EimysGD
    @EimysGD 9 months ago +15

    31:11 The Challenge is in the Vault of Secrets

  • @nnnight09
    @nnnight09 8 months ago +22

    9:47 How his coin lost to "what were you thinking" tier coin?

  • @HunterSGMD
    @HunterSGMD 16 days ago +1

    the area zero music goes hard

  • @Sh4rdslY
    @Sh4rdslY 9 months ago +15

    9:40 its beautiful 😍❤️

  • @fish38
    @fish38 9 months ago +7

    37:11 this is definitely one of the most clever coins I have seen

  • @JoshuaOtiti-r9s
    @JoshuaOtiti-r9s 4 months ago +10

    2:44 LITERALLY the same thing but with another click

    • @Bravine7
      @Bravine7 2 months ago

      Nah it's one extra click

  • @WilsonGotFat
    @WilsonGotFat 9 months ago +38

    10:29 the dog has a cat avatar

  • @wajidqureshi4105
    @wajidqureshi4105 9 months ago +10

    The viking arena last coin is just SO GOOD its the BEST in the whole video I LOVE IT

  • @NoahAbramischwili-tz8vt
    @NoahAbramischwili-tz8vt 4 months ago +1

    37:39 ahhh moment from undetrtail😊

  • @soNoob56
    @soNoob56 9 months ago +12

    14:45 you absolutely COOKED with Xstep

  • @pog-gamer
    @pog-gamer 9 months ago +49

    I remember watching cob like 3 years ago this is nostalgic

  • @BloxxerAndDeltarune
    @BloxxerAndDeltarune 14 days ago +1

    16:04 GRASSHOPER DESTROYER

  • @eliattwood5073
    @eliattwood5073 8 months ago +13

    33:13 W grimm troupe music

  • @GoldenLotus-Studio
    @GoldenLotus-Studio Month ago +2

    30:20 that coin concept reminds me of 1 of those mario coins

  • @lukaradojevic8172
    @lukaradojevic8172 8 months ago +27

    Cob: made the coin 3 in stereo madness better by nerfing it
    Sdslayer: made the coin 3 in stereo madness worse by nerfing it

  • @Tetraverse
    @Tetraverse 9 months ago +11

    25:58 why is that movement so clean 🔥

  • @HaysnipeYT
    @HaysnipeYT 3 months ago +1

    ELMO STOP GETTING HIGH 8:47

  • @Judyify
    @Judyify 9 months ago +27

    3:26 "this shit piss me off me off right now"

  • @OliverTheShortKing
    @OliverTheShortKing 9 months ago +12

    Now we wait another 3 months...

  • @Nilectic
    @Nilectic 3 months ago +2

    5:39 bro MIGHT be dod showtime lms

  • @ethan_postsrandomstuff
    @ethan_postsrandomstuff 9 months ago +379

    3:22 too advanced for yt🥀🫩

  • @JaydenZun1987
    @JaydenZun1987 7 months ago +7

    4:19 Absolute Cinematic

  • @He0paHJ
    @He0paHJ Month ago +1

    13:03 IMPOSSIBLE TIMING

  • @AmyAlexander-n4o
    @AmyAlexander-n4o 8 months ago +6

    honestly i get that Colon is the coin guy, but he was a bit strict because he talks about coins having a fun challenge and you actually did that really well, so i’d say you won in my book, but i’m probably just wrong, i’m not a very good creator anyway

  • @OmegaFalcon
    @OmegaFalcon 9 months ago +66

    Bro. When you said you liked dry out's first coin cuz it's not even on screen, I almost cheered. And then you betray me by revealing it was a lie?!

  • @Whatdoiputhere-m4m
    @Whatdoiputhere-m4m 3 months ago

    5:54 you should've made some congregation jumpscare there

  • @mangleandpuppet8943
    @mangleandpuppet8943 9 months ago +7

    9:55 cagney carnation CUPHEAD❤

  • @Karlo_europe
    @Karlo_europe 9 months ago +5

    27:21 PIZZA TOWER MUSIC ALERT

  • @thunderwing41
    @thunderwing41 4 days ago +1

    I Accidentally Ruined All of Geometry Dash's Somewhat Decent Secret Coins

  • @Iuminya
    @Iuminya 9 months ago +17

    17:30 ayo

  • @ValueInactive
    @ValueInactive 9 months ago +13

    you doomed everyone 33:47

  • @Spectacularnut
    @Spectacularnut 3 months ago +1

    This guy is such a drama king it’s actually getting on my nerves

  • @danscell9661
    @danscell9661 8 months ago +6

    Bro your coin design for toe is just shutting down THE WHOLE MECHANIC OF THE LEVEL LIKE COLON SAID

  • @KatyDecker-e9e
    @KatyDecker-e9e 9 months ago +15

    9:08 holy I cracked up there

    • @Vbsfan12
      @Vbsfan12 26 days ago +1

      U can only crack down there

  • @Gabriel_182r
    @Gabriel_182r 5 months ago +2

    13:03 this coin is too hard for even someone like doggie

  • @stev1038
    @stev1038 9 months ago +11

    Robtop is just a god placing coins (except colon)

  • @drivetau
    @drivetau 9 months ago +5

    Remember people, a coin you need to search up to get instead of thinking of ways to get it is a bad coin.

  • @caiba7735
    @caiba7735 3 months ago +1

    17:29 that was not the wind 💔🎋

  • @mrowczyk5270
    @mrowczyk5270 9 months ago +4

    I like how colon wasn't going easy on you

  • @banonhd5680
    @banonhd5680 9 months ago +23

    3:14 2 levels in and you are already contemplating the whole video 😭

  • @Tycoon_1031
    @Tycoon_1031 25 days ago +1

    0:59 you have to go down and jump 😂

  • @SantoshSubedi-w7g
    @SantoshSubedi-w7g 9 months ago +4

    22:15 had me rolling to Pluto 🤣

  • @yeboi4102
    @yeboi4102 9 months ago +8

    Why was GD Colon's voice a little too zesty in this vid 😭😭

  • @ChristianBurson
    @ChristianBurson Month ago +1

    7:07 fallen town from Deltarune is playing

  • @thiagocordero9356
    @thiagocordero9356 9 months ago +77

    26:48 The second WHAT ?.

  • @teh_dasher
    @teh_dasher 9 months ago +4

    32:47 colon calm down bro💀💀

  • @RedPistonz
    @RedPistonz 2 months ago +5

    I do like this video (I think) but it’s odd how Cob is presenting it with steps in a story as though it’s some big ordeal with a whole hero’s journey or something.
    He presents each level’s coins to Colon and then, in voice over, talks about what he learned, how he “can’t make more mistakes” and how he “needs to lock in”, and then talks about the next level’s coins. But that can’t actually be the way his though processes went while making the coins because then Colon would have to be on a call with him for the entire time he made each subsequent coin, and this would all effectively be “live. That would take much longer than doing every coin BEFORE getting Colon to rate them, but then there’s no way he learned from Colon’s (subjective) opinions because he did them all without input originally.
    Also, sound effects are far too overused. I get it, you really think the vibe boom is funny.

    • @flasker9177
      @flasker9177 10 days ago

      i agree, it felt repetitive since everything he said felt the exact same. still great video though

  • @vaulto
    @vaulto 9 months ago +28

    2:41 OHHHH THATS BRUTAL

  • @AquasPetSpider
    @AquasPetSpider 7 months ago +9

    15:23 I heard Generation r- and got flashbacks

    • @tapper15
      @tapper15 3 months ago

      What about an ad. Also generation retro

  • @RyanMaier-s7w
    @RyanMaier-s7w 4 months ago +2

    The mana orbs that bro said he could give are just WAY too hard to pass up

  • @EPICMSMMASTER
    @EPICMSMMASTER 9 months ago +6

    35:25 GOAT SIMULATOR?

  • @mariothelongtongue4657
    @mariothelongtongue4657 9 months ago +11

    37:23 imo this is still better than like randomly clicking, aint that what he's being scored on?

  • @LiamFartsTooMuchDude
    @LiamFartsTooMuchDude 2 months ago +1

    I think colon forgot the point, it's not about if the coin is good or not, it's about if it's better

  • @EliGamingYT
    @EliGamingYT 9 months ago +4

    "In an alternate universe" 😂😂😂 24:49

  • @Lil_Tenet25
    @Lil_Tenet25 9 months ago +16

    I wont lie Colon was out of line here, I actually really liked the ones merging you back on.

    • @A_Chromium
      @A_Chromium 7 months ago +1

      the gameplay in them was dry ash tho

  • @aleksandrastojanoska4608

    The geometrical dominator sound was from "find the stickman" when you were in the temple

  • @Haksortsi
    @Haksortsi 9 months ago +8

    29:03 Electrodynamix moment

    • @gaja9290
      @gaja9290 9 months ago +1

      nah its base after base

  • @Hibbans
    @Hibbans 9 months ago +14

    How did bro put little efforts & skip some of the secret coins and then put so much dedications in editing the video? 💀🙏

    • @Cobgd
      @Cobgd  9 months ago +8

      it's a lot harder than it looks. placing the coins took 2 weeks alone

  • @drcronge
    @drcronge 4 months ago +1

    Well colon just has bad taste

  • @Dimmode
    @Dimmode 9 months ago +123

    i love GD cologne

    • @Justagrimguy
      @Justagrimguy 9 months ago +1

      Bro why would you say this on another tubers vid

    • @Dimmode
      @Dimmode 9 months ago +10

      @Justagrimguy its a gd joke

    • @Justagrimguy
      @Justagrimguy 9 months ago

      @Dimmodeoh I’m not really in the community:p

    • @stev1038
      @stev1038 9 months ago +4

      ​@Justagrimguybeacuse theres colon in the video

    • @luluhh5173
      @luluhh5173 9 months ago

      @stev1038 yes true but lets keep the group going