@Xtreme.xirtam People always jump to that. 'Highest form of power a Saiyan could reach', SSJ3 was the highest form of power before GT came out what's your point? Yes I know why it has fur because it's supposed to be based on the power of the great ape, that doesn't explain what doesn't make sense about it. SSJ4 is the product of controlling the combination of Oozaru and SSJ1 (Golden Oozaru). Thing is, we've seen someone control the Oozaru state, we've seen many control SSJ. In neither of those cases does the body get compressed down to a smaller size. You master SSJ1, you get SLIGHTLY less expanded muscles and less change overall. You master Oozaru there is no physical change you can just talk. There's no logical reason that putting the two together would have the sudden effect to shrink that down to human size. And that in of itself was stupid, the entire transformation sequence of Goku just shrinking. No explosive aura no popping out muscles just shrinking and ending up in the weirdest little arched back position ever the whole sequence was entirely lame. Bones don't just condense that's not logical, muscle condenses all the time in DBZ, how Broly grew the power of the Oozaru in his body by just expanding into a muscular shape with an eye change that's the kind of animation 4 would need. Then you have it's color pallet, no, you can't have the same SSJ form be different colors on different users. SSJ forms are always the same color for every character, it's dumb that for no reason Goku and Vegeta's eye, fur, and hair color are different - and then they completely swap up when they fuse? Fuckin why? I get their hair is supposed to be base form colored but for one also why in general, but two why is the hair base color and not the fur that's just out of place. It should be red like Gogeta's and like the fur and it should be the same color between characters. And that's just it's design, then you have it's power which for no good reason changes the body THAT much but they can use it as naturally as their base forms. That's just contradictory. Literally every instance of a flashier form is immediately outdone in DBZ by a simpler form and every instance of a flashy form immediately comes with drawbacks. SSJ1's best form was when it was mastered and there were the least amount of changes and that immediately trumped the grade 2 and 3 forms. SSJ2 came along and Toriyama says to this day that SSJ2 still burns Ki implying it can't be mastered like 1 for only a little bit more flashiness. SSJ3 drains Goku's power "in an instant" as he's stated, and then that was outdone in the same arc by Mystic Gohan where Old Kai told him the reason that he didn't transform was basically because it was always best to have the less form with the most power. DBZ literally ALWAYS opts for the more subtle. Toriyama even stated this was the case as to why Golden Frieza only change colors and some patterns - because he couldn't think of a way to make him MORE simple than final form. In the DBZ world simple forms will always be strongest, hulking out and having many detail changes is a literally sign of weakness or at least inconvenience to DBZ forms. But no Goku can just use the overdetailed form like it's nothing because SSJ4 is great and perfect and flawless - and mary sue as fuck. If SSJ4 were to make sense; it would first off need to have a better color pallet, it would need to happen via the muscles expanding and hair growing - NOT a giant monkey shrinking out of nowhere (maybe just by going Oozaru in SSJ3 instead of 1 and it holds down the muscles forcing it to expand into the human sized body and not grow ape size), and using it would have to hurt Goku and Vegeta more than Blue Kaioken did Goku the first time or at least drive them nuts like a Broly scenario. Point is no, in lore it doesn't make sense and contradicts a lot, and saying "it references the Oozaru form and is the ultimate power" doesn't make up for an ounce of it.
@Xtreme.xirtam Yes I am, because "bringing logic into anime?" Is not only the dumbest excuse anyone brings up to never have to think about anything, but it's an entirely incorrect implication. Anime doesn't follow real world logic all the time but they certainly set up their own logic in which they follow. So yes things still have to make sense within the logic of their own series and SSJ4 objectively does not. I mean it's fine you can like it, but it only makes sense to you due to a lack of information. You can remain bias there's nothing wrong with that but you can't act like your bias is factual, because factually SSJ4 contradicts DBZ with almost every aspect of itself. If you wanna know why it's in my response, but it is fact.
@Xtreme.xirtam Full understanding of the form doesn't mean full understanding of how ALL forms work and how SSJ4 SHOULD work within that logic. I'll try to bullet point it simply for you (there's only three, the last two things are in response to your quotes a least read the bullet points) : - Mastering SSJ doesn't shrink your body, mastering Oozaru doesn't condense you to human size, mastering both together couldn't suddenly shrink you out of nowhere. - SSJ forms aren't allowed to look different between users. Goku and Vegeta shouldn't be having different colored eyes and fur - the hair thing is supposed to be base hair so at least that had a reason to be different but when the fur is colored it's illogical that the hair is not. Honestly Gogeta was the best design for SSJ4 but even that was dumb because it randomly changed because of fusion which also doesn't happen to SSJ forms. - All forms with more design added to them are always inconvenient to the user and near immediately outdone by the more subtle. A form with as much detail as SSJ4 should be harder for Goku to use than the first time he went Blue Kaioken. "it does make sense. It was suppose to be the highest form of power a saiyan could reach before Dragon Ball Super came out. It connects back to the saiyans roots of being a giant rampaging ape which is why the body is covered in fur and has a tail but maintains their humanoid appearance." That was definitely trying to say it made sense for actual reasons you tried to describe. "You do realize people are gonna like different things than you do don't you?" Yes, I do, that's why I said being bias is okay - but you have to admit bias when your bias goes against fact and not act like the facts are incorrect because 'it's just your opinion'.
@Xtreme.xirtam "their has never been anything stating every user of the SSJ forms has to look the same" Except literally every other SSJ form ever in the entirety of the series up until now. That is literally how every SSJ form works, you can't just change it because it's a special snowflake form that gets to be different for no reason. If it's an SSJ form it needs to follow SSJ logic. No other SSJ form ever has different colors and appearances depending on the user, so this one shouldn't either. I don't think base hair DOESN'T suit them, but the fact that the hair is base but the fur is bright ass red is jarring and just doesn't look as powerful as the other way around or just all red. It was base color because it was trying for that whole "it's as natural as base form" nonsense and that part factually is a contradiction. So while the base hair may not be bad and may be an opinion on which we like more, the motivation for making it that way was actually a poor choice. Also fusion should never change SSJ colors because again that's not how it works.
If it's to your interest the svm 7 has the ultimate ssj4 team with all units having similar abilities and helping each other, it's a full 4 stars team composed of 2 heroes 2 elites and 2 berserkers if I'm not mistaken, it's gohan, goku, vegeta, broly, bardock, and gogeta, hell of a team.
Funny how many people bash the god firm just because it's a recolor but well at least it make sense unlike ssj4, ssb is basically a blue ssj1 yes but why would you want a change in it it is just ssj with god ki of course only the hair color will change for showing it but no one talk about the new clothes goku gt got by transforming and gogeta ssj4 nonsense color palette - _-
@@mysticstrikeforce5957 first of all it's a action rpg. Also we have had countless RPGs and a whole action rpg series in dragon ball. So you are really misinformed on that. Also in no way is the option of a XV 3 off the table. They are in a development cycle. The developers of xv3 didnt work on fighterz nor project z but they are making a new game cause it's part of their contract. So the chance of them making a xv3 after the insane amount of money xv1 and 2 made is very likely.
I Love more Super Sayain 4 than Super Sayain God but I still love it, It's just Super Saiyan 4 looks more Badass and Strong and The Color Red, which is My Favorite color
As much as I want to love this game, I hate it! I love DBZ but fighting against an AI in a precision based game is infuriating and makes you feel like it's rigged against the player!
@@fridaynightnicktoons6885 No.. toriyama said explicitly that dbs is the continuation of Z before the tournament when goten and trunks are 15yr old, he prefers to take gt as an alternate universe but he doesn't consider it as canon, I still like the ssj4 a lot more than any God form.
@@davidesteban191 that is not true at all. Super entire backstory goes off of dbminus and dbkai. In super good and Vegeta were born at the same time and in db they were not, bulma has a sister in super not Db, end of Z Goku did not know anything about these gods of destruction. Toei made Z and GT and was watched over by Akira and he stated in the box set that it's the true ending to Dragonball so try again. Just type it in on Google and you can find his note my man. Super is a prequal it is before the end of Z so it's impossible for it to be a sequal he is old and thought ss3 was ss2.
Wouldn't make sense and they are not strong enough or experienced enough. Gohan doesn't even make sense. He should only be able to get golden great app but they fucked up the lore
Dragonball heroes is actually revive a SS4 popularity I would like to see more I don't care if this into super-canon or just Xeno guys but at least give us proper 24 mins spin-off per eps not promote bullshit
SSJ4 is already a shit show with how much it contradicts how transformations work and a whole bunch of other issues, but the fact that this game has so many hypotheticals of them just makes it even more lame. Heroes doesn't know how to be creative with it's forms.
You sound ridiculous... what transformations do you want? Made up ones?? Heroes can only use transformations shown in the anime so idk what more you want
@@jamaaldagreatest2748 No, I want them to actually think about what characters they give forms to to actually make them cool what ifs, and not just random 'throw it on every character'. Like don't give Future Gohan SSJ3, give him 2 and cap it there - the form he didn't get that his other timeline incarnation did. Don't give Bardock SSJ3, and it's just the same here. They don't give characters cool forms that fit to them, they just smack every form on everyone. It's just more awful with 4 because the form already is horridly contradictory and just a lame out of place form. So what I want? Just not give so many damn characters this form.
1:16 That's the one Gogeta Blue used in the first trailer with him for DBH. So it's probably the attack that the upcoming Gogeta Blue from the free Update will be using.
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Super Saiyan 4 is the ultimate form of the Saiyan Race
I just wish it made sense and didn't have an ugly and inconsistent color pallet
It's the most mary sue form of the Saiyan race
@Xtreme.xirtam
People always jump to that. 'Highest form of power a Saiyan could reach', SSJ3 was the highest form of power before GT came out what's your point?
Yes I know why it has fur because it's supposed to be based on the power of the great ape, that doesn't explain what doesn't make sense about it.
SSJ4 is the product of controlling the combination of Oozaru and SSJ1 (Golden Oozaru). Thing is, we've seen someone control the Oozaru state, we've seen many control SSJ. In neither of those cases does the body get compressed down to a smaller size. You master SSJ1, you get SLIGHTLY less expanded muscles and less change overall. You master Oozaru there is no physical change you can just talk. There's no logical reason that putting the two together would have the sudden effect to shrink that down to human size.
And that in of itself was stupid, the entire transformation sequence of Goku just shrinking. No explosive aura no popping out muscles just shrinking and ending up in the weirdest little arched back position ever the whole sequence was entirely lame. Bones don't just condense that's not logical, muscle condenses all the time in DBZ, how Broly grew the power of the Oozaru in his body by just expanding into a muscular shape with an eye change that's the kind of animation 4 would need.
Then you have it's color pallet, no, you can't have the same SSJ form be different colors on different users. SSJ forms are always the same color for every character, it's dumb that for no reason Goku and Vegeta's eye, fur, and hair color are different - and then they completely swap up when they fuse? Fuckin why? I get their hair is supposed to be base form colored but for one also why in general, but two why is the hair base color and not the fur that's just out of place. It should be red like Gogeta's and like the fur and it should be the same color between characters.
And that's just it's design, then you have it's power which for no good reason changes the body THAT much but they can use it as naturally as their base forms. That's just contradictory. Literally every instance of a flashier form is immediately outdone in DBZ by a simpler form and every instance of a flashy form immediately comes with drawbacks.
SSJ1's best form was when it was mastered and there were the least amount of changes and that immediately trumped the grade 2 and 3 forms. SSJ2 came along and Toriyama says to this day that SSJ2 still burns Ki implying it can't be mastered like 1 for only a little bit more flashiness. SSJ3 drains Goku's power "in an instant" as he's stated, and then that was outdone in the same arc by Mystic Gohan where Old Kai told him the reason that he didn't transform was basically because it was always best to have the less form with the most power. DBZ literally ALWAYS opts for the more subtle. Toriyama even stated this was the case as to why Golden Frieza only change colors and some patterns - because he couldn't think of a way to make him MORE simple than final form. In the DBZ world simple forms will always be strongest, hulking out and having many detail changes is a literally sign of weakness or at least inconvenience to DBZ forms.
But no Goku can just use the overdetailed form like it's nothing because SSJ4 is great and perfect and flawless - and mary sue as fuck.
If SSJ4 were to make sense; it would first off need to have a better color pallet, it would need to happen via the muscles expanding and hair growing - NOT a giant monkey shrinking out of nowhere (maybe just by going Oozaru in SSJ3 instead of 1 and it holds down the muscles forcing it to expand into the human sized body and not grow ape size), and using it would have to hurt Goku and Vegeta more than Blue Kaioken did Goku the first time or at least drive them nuts like a Broly scenario.
Point is no, in lore it doesn't make sense and contradicts a lot, and saying "it references the Oozaru form and is the ultimate power" doesn't make up for an ounce of it.
@Xtreme.xirtam Yes I am, because "bringing logic into anime?" Is not only the dumbest excuse anyone brings up to never have to think about anything, but it's an entirely incorrect implication. Anime doesn't follow real world logic all the time but they certainly set up their own logic in which they follow. So yes things still have to make sense within the logic of their own series and SSJ4 objectively does not.
I mean it's fine you can like it, but it only makes sense to you due to a lack of information. You can remain bias there's nothing wrong with that but you can't act like your bias is factual, because factually SSJ4 contradicts DBZ with almost every aspect of itself. If you wanna know why it's in my response, but it is fact.
@Xtreme.xirtam Full understanding of the form doesn't mean full understanding of how ALL forms work and how SSJ4 SHOULD work within that logic.
I'll try to bullet point it simply for you (there's only three, the last two things are in response to your quotes a least read the bullet points) :
- Mastering SSJ doesn't shrink your body, mastering Oozaru doesn't condense you to human size, mastering both together couldn't suddenly shrink you out of nowhere.
- SSJ forms aren't allowed to look different between users. Goku and Vegeta shouldn't be having different colored eyes and fur - the hair thing is supposed to be base hair so at least that had a reason to be different but when the fur is colored it's illogical that the hair is not. Honestly Gogeta was the best design for SSJ4 but even that was dumb because it randomly changed because of fusion which also doesn't happen to SSJ forms.
- All forms with more design added to them are always inconvenient to the user and near immediately outdone by the more subtle. A form with as much detail as SSJ4 should be harder for Goku to use than the first time he went Blue Kaioken.
"it does make sense. It was suppose to be the highest form of power a saiyan could reach before Dragon Ball Super came out. It connects back to the saiyans roots of being a giant rampaging ape which is why the body is covered in fur and has a tail but maintains their humanoid appearance." That was definitely trying to say it made sense for actual reasons you tried to describe.
"You do realize people are gonna like different things than you do don't you?" Yes, I do, that's why I said being bias is okay - but you have to admit bias when your bias goes against fact and not act like the facts are incorrect because 'it's just your opinion'.
@Xtreme.xirtam
"their has never been anything stating every user of the SSJ forms has to look the same"
Except literally every other SSJ form ever in the entirety of the series up until now. That is literally how every SSJ form works, you can't just change it because it's a special snowflake form that gets to be different for no reason. If it's an SSJ form it needs to follow SSJ logic. No other SSJ form ever has different colors and appearances depending on the user, so this one shouldn't either.
I don't think base hair DOESN'T suit them, but the fact that the hair is base but the fur is bright ass red is jarring and just doesn't look as powerful as the other way around or just all red. It was base color because it was trying for that whole "it's as natural as base form" nonsense and that part factually is a contradiction. So while the base hair may not be bad and may be an opinion on which we like more, the motivation for making it that way was actually a poor choice.
Also fusion should never change SSJ colors because again that's not how it works.
Vegeta must be watching Naruto since he's dropping meteors like Madara
3:10 Vegeta out here pulling a Madara😂This game looks lit though. Wish I had a switch
its on pc too
That Xeno SSJ4 Goku times 10 Warp Kamehameha was sexy asf
True
Super sayain 4 it's still my most favorite.
Same
Mine is SSG not SSGSS SSG the One Goku first obtained from Battle of the Gods.
I can't believe the same game models they used all the way in the budokai games are still being used to this degree.
SSJ4 Broly sounds like a disaster waiting to happen
1:43 Broly out here doing to a ki blast what he did to his dad
Chris Moore It looks epic though
Ssj4 is the True Saiyan Form.
Where is the Special team up beam attack with SSJ4 Gohan, SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta?
Rebellion hammer, atomic kamehameha and warp kamehameha x10 are so far the best ones.
3:10 Vegeta has the Rinnegan
0:07 gohan pulling up with a shoyuken💀💀💀
That smug ass smile he did before doing it 😩👌
these moves that theyre doing should literally break reality
Just like the fight gogeta vs broly
Atomic kame hello??
If it's to your interest the svm 7 has the ultimate ssj4 team with all units having similar abilities and helping each other, it's a full 4 stars team composed of 2 heroes 2 elites and 2 berserkers if I'm not mistaken, it's gohan, goku, vegeta, broly, bardock, and gogeta, hell of a team.
Good shit
This game is underrated and I’m in love with its models
1:48 Broly is Ulqurroira conformed
Wow, at first this game was just meh for me but now I’m like DAAAYUUUMM. Maybe this will break my Dokkan addiction (yeah right😂)
27wootwoot 1 month and it has to me
1:56 BRO that looks sick!
Game looks sick ASF nice techniques wish I would see in the show like Vegeta's good meteor
im hoping we maybe get to see SSJ4 Trunks, or Nappa.
Poly Gon if that happens I Hope Nappa grows hair everywhere except his head
Also we got Super Saiyan God Future Trunks Xeno
ssj 4 broly must be even more powerful and his corrputed mask version looks awesome
This is a whole ss4 category for Dokkan LMAOO
You predicted that
The SS4 Goku ×10 Instant Kamehameha is The coolest SS4 Super attack in the game and I have it :D
All those epic moves...and do less than 4000 XD
3:13 vegeta chibaku tensei
This is game is need come on ps4 .
If only Budokai music was in it...
Can we get vegeta dropping meteors in the anime/manga?! Asking for a friend
Youre missing ssj 4 Gohan, Goku and Vegetas tag team ult
Man i really wish they designed ssj4 trunks
0:29 Double Atomic Dab - Vegeta Sama
Funny how many people bash the god firm just because it's a recolor but well at least it make sense unlike ssj4, ssb is basically a blue ssj1 yes but why would you want a change in it it is just ssj with god ki of course only the hair color will change for showing it but no one talk about the new clothes goku gt got by transforming and gogeta ssj4 nonsense color palette - _-
Fusion Goku ssj4 and Gohan ssj 4
Where is the love for ssj4 mira
what is that outro song
can you also Do for all SSJ3
I hope xenoverse 3 will be a good game 😁
Young Notorious I’ve been waiting for it :(
There isn't going to be a xenoverse 3 there is already a new game coming out which will be a first ever RPG.
@@mysticstrikeforce5957 first of all it's a action rpg. Also we have had countless RPGs and a whole action rpg series in dragon ball. So you are really misinformed on that.
Also in no way is the option of a XV 3 off the table. They are in a development cycle. The developers of xv3 didnt work on fighterz nor project z but they are making a new game cause it's part of their contract.
So the chance of them making a xv3 after the insane amount of money xv1 and 2 made is very likely.
Cool game, just wished that Trunks would shut up
Nice
Ι have been searching that xeno vegeta that fuse everywhere..where the hell is he?
Is the cell x transformation caa obtainable in this game?
Grotesque giant isn’t it?
Vegeta can summon a fucking meteor!!!???
wish it wasnt only on the switch
3:16 nigga that was a fucking pentagram
Ssj4 radditz better happen next time or I riot
Vegeta 4 xeno he makes us a Madara
I miss Budokai 3
Adam Bardugo I don’t
Is this in the demo?
What are you playing this on? Switch?
How can I change the Saiyaman 4 outfit for the Cac in story mode? It's driving me crazy tbh
You cant
Niceu
When you find out that you can't fuse Goku and Vegeta from GT into SSJ4 Gogeta but only the Xeno versions...
Well you were able to do it in the 3ds version . Its because the switch version is missing 3000 cards
Outro song?
Outro plz
GOD METEOR???
I Love more Super Sayain 4 than Super Sayain God but I still love it, It's just Super Saiyan 4 looks more Badass and Strong and The Color Red, which is My Favorite color
So no SSJ4 Vegito in this game? only Gogeta?
Smokeytripod that will come in DLC when the other sets are released
E o Vegetto SS4?
As much as I want to love this game, I hate it! I love DBZ but fighting against an AI in a precision based game is infuriating and makes you feel like it's rigged against the player!
Is SSJ4 Vegito not in World Mission
Not yet it's coming later
It's not canon, but it sure is better than all the God forms, heck even better than ultra instinct.
Gt IS canon though. Gt is canon to dbz,super is canon to kai. Two dofferent canons. And supers manga is canon to toriaymas manga.
@@fridaynightnicktoons6885 No.. toriyama said explicitly that dbs is the continuation of Z before the tournament when goten and trunks are 15yr old, he prefers to take gt as an alternate universe but he doesn't consider it as canon, I still like the ssj4 a lot more than any God form.
@@davidesteban191 that is not true at all. Super entire backstory goes off of dbminus and dbkai. In super good and Vegeta were born at the same time and in db they were not, bulma has a sister in super not Db, end of Z Goku did not know anything about these gods of destruction. Toei made Z and GT and was watched over by Akira and he stated in the box set that it's the true ending to Dragonball so try again. Just type it in on Google and you can find his note my man. Super is a prequal it is before the end of Z so it's impossible for it to be a sequal he is old and thought ss3 was ss2.
3:22 Madara get the fuck out from Dragon Ball
sadly no super saiyan 4 for trunks and goten
Grim Chirico Or Gotenks
Wouldn't make sense and they are not strong enough or experienced enough. Gohan doesn't even make sense. He should only be able to get golden great app but they fucked up the lore
Jacob Craz This is Dragon Ball Heroes, lore doesn’t matter. Everyone can get any form.
Where ssj4 vegito tho
He's not in the game yet. The new update will add him though.
Tengai shinsei haha
DURA MONSTA CARDO wait..........
wrong game my bad.😌
Ha! Joke's on Konami, since there hasn't been a Yu-gi-oh! Game with proper animations since Forbidden memories... and that was Ps1 era! Wtf?
Dragonball heroes is actually revive a SS4 popularity I would like to see more
I don't care if this into super-canon or just Xeno guys but at least give us proper 24 mins spin-off per eps not promote bullshit
Problem solved
Make this form cannon
glad i refunded this game on steam lame asf lol
SSJ4 is already a shit show with how much it contradicts how transformations work and a whole bunch of other issues, but the fact that this game has so many hypotheticals of them just makes it even more lame. Heroes doesn't know how to be creative with it's forms.
mastertucker um what?
@@nekbox5407
'What' what?
Hater
You sound ridiculous... what transformations do you want? Made up ones?? Heroes can only use transformations shown in the anime so idk what more you want
@@jamaaldagreatest2748
No, I want them to actually think about what characters they give forms to to actually make them cool what ifs, and not just random 'throw it on every character'. Like don't give Future Gohan SSJ3, give him 2 and cap it there - the form he didn't get that his other timeline incarnation did. Don't give Bardock SSJ3, and it's just the same here. They don't give characters cool forms that fit to them, they just smack every form on everyone. It's just more awful with 4 because the form already is horridly contradictory and just a lame out of place form. So what I want? Just not give so many damn characters this form.
1:16 That's the one Gogeta Blue used in the first trailer with him for DBH. So it's probably the attack that the upcoming Gogeta Blue from the free Update will be using.