This has got to be one of if not the most informative and best channels out there in regards to accurate long range shooting, rifles , scopes etc . You and Sam are doing phenomenal job . Keep up the great content. Cheers 🍻 🥂
I could not agree more. Mark and Sam provide us the type of first hand experience, knowlege and insight that you either pay a lot of money to hear about once in a class. Or lucky enough to shoot with some of the best shooters and they pass some knowledge onto you. Most of us will never have the opportunity to shoot at the distances they do. But the humble methodical process they present in everyone of their videos we can all learn from.
I’m just getting into long range precision (500-1000 yards starting out) but I watch all these videos on these incredibly long shots. I chose 6.5mm Creedmoor fed through a BadRock Precision “South Fork” rifle. Cost me like $5k to buy everything I needed on the rifle and optic end and I just bought 8 boxes of all the best match grade ammo I can find. Can’t wait to take it out and get some data.
I love your unbiased comparisons between cartridges. Your 6.5saum vs 6.5-06AI helped me finally decide on a hotrod 6.5mm. I'd love to see a 7mm-300win mag vs 7mm-300prc (I think that's basically a 7mm LRM) comparison. I'm interested to see what kind of performance they have vs thier 30cal parents also. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Awesome info for all of us interested in your work. I like how you think, and you put your money where your mouth is. Always helpful, and grateful for what you and Sam do. Thank you.
I'm so excited! I got my howa 1500 with a Nikko sight. 6.5 creedmore. I'm here at Universal shooting academy in Florida and going to sight in and shoot today! $1100.00 complete us$, figured great for a starter. Its all your fault! Love you guys! Cheers...bill
Love the content! I'm definitely keen to see the findings on the 300 Norma! defs a damn shame here in Aus how its a tad harder to get our hands on these "new" cartridges and rifles like the 300prc, norma or even the 416 barrett
Excellent video as always, I have also seen really good performance from a long barrel with my 300 Win Mag. My twist was a little too slow for the heavier bullets but performance with 210gr VLDs from 30" tube and Retumbo powder has been phenomenal, getting 3100ft/s from a minimum powder load. When I'm in a bind and can only grab factory ammo, I'm even confident shooting Superformance with 180gr SSTs as they chronographed 3320ft/s from the 30" barrel. That caliber just loves long barrels.
As always, VERY informative and credible comment from you Mark. You really should develop your own wildcat cartridge. My fave is the 416 Barrett... Thanks again for all those hours of research and sharing of knowledge, good job 👍🏻
Great video! Always enjoy your logic, from experience from real life testing and experimentation. You present yourself very well, and explanations are clearly done.
Thank you so much !!! God bless you always !!! Most of the ELR shooters hoard thier data, my oldest son and i are in it just for fun, 375 chytac on a stiller action, 338/378 weatherby we just got out of the shop, 300 win tack drivrr and a venerable ol 308 win for this ol man cause he is ol school, we bought your muzzel brake for the weatherby but havnt got to shoot it yet, we watch all your videos and always take heed when you speak, again thank you
King of 2 mile is an amazing event 4 hours from home , I have a 338 Lapua (wich I THOUGHT was a good ELR cartridge , probly is with a more expieremced shooter) those guys are on a whole other level , most were shooting 375 Cheytac and 416 Barrett and a few 50 Bmg
Mark &Sam iam always excited to see your new videos pop up. One of my favorite rifles is my 218bee in a ruger #1. The best shot I've made with it was 450 yards on a small squirrel, all I will say was it was luck. Awesome, video keep them coming
Awesome mark definitely my favourite channel :-) I still have a soft spot for that Gibbs 375 by far my favourite of yours. I’m just putting together my LA105- 308win.
I’ve learned more from you Mark than a all the books I’ve read and about many things. You said a cartridge in 7mm that had a case capacity of around 10 grains more than the 7mm Remington Magnum might be the ideal cartridge for ELR. That really me wondering about a rifle I back ordered from Eurooptic in 28 Nosler. Searching Google I found the Remington 7mm Magnum holds 82gr of H20, 28 Nosler 100.7gr H20. Then I searched all my reloading manuals and found in the Nosler manual using a 168gr bullet and Reloader 25 that a 100% case fill in Remington 7mm magnum is 69gr, 100% in 28 Nosler is 85gr. Not that we could safely load that much R-25 but the capacity of the cases. I just found the same powder - Bullet weights for both cartridges. The max load listed in 7mm Rem Mag is 70gr @ 100% case fill and 28 Nosler max load listed is 79gr @ 94% case fill. That’s still mighty close to what you predict might be an excellent ELR cartridge. I’d imagine that I’m missing something here but I thought I might ask you if you’ve already researched 28 Nosler. The main reason I ordered the rifle is watching what you have done with your 7mm Remington Magnum. Thank you for your work, I’ll be ordering another bag rider, your muzzle brake and bipod system as soon as I get the rifle and can measure the distance from the bottom of the fore grip to top of the barrel. I don’t know if I’ll need bipod component D or C yet.
Thanks Mark for the awesome content you provide...Im addicted to your channel busy with a 300 norma mag build...would like to purchase some of you products...Do you ship to South Africa at the moment? Keep up the great work Cheers🍻
Thanks Jaundre, Australia post is not able to get through your closed borders at this moment, there are other shippers that can, so if you have shipping accounts it is possible, if not we have wait for your borders to open up again, Cheers
I’m shooting a 7 saum with the Berger 190LRHT. Been pretty successful at 2600-3000 and hope for two miles soon. You may want to look into that bullet for the 7 prc. Great video!
Sorry for the silly question Mark... But if the chamber is extended/lengthened to accommodate a longer projectile, would that not be creating a *new cartridge?* Would a designator like (E) or (L) after the cartridge name be appropriate, and stamped onto the barrel? Cheers for your thoughts Mate!
Mark, I would love to see the 7mm300Norma Magnum vs the 7mm Practical. Plus maybe a video on muzzle velocity migration on a new barrel using the above two cartridges as an example? Very good content. You are a very knowledgeable person.
Thanks Man, as for those cartridges we would love to test more for everybody, and we are doing all we can with our time and money, so I am trying to encourage viewers for needed financial support to make more happen, very few do, but we are always hopeful, Cheers
I don’t know why I’m watching because the closest thing to a long range rifle i own is my 1903 Springfield iron sights. Still, this is fantastic information and awesome shooting. Keep it up 👍
Good breakdown of the road your on. For finding the wind at 200' there is always tracking a helium (or hydrogen) balloon, but that might be more time and trouble than just taking an extra shot. :))
Thanks Man, and yeh, maybe a multi layered team of constant balloon releases, and computer generated wind map, with a predictive algorithm driven wind reading........ just a tad much work and maybe a little more expense than the national dept, but that could work, lol, Cheers
Excellent. I am especially interested in analytical/quantitative/probability information...for example, your candid information on lack of subsonic trace, height above the ground for bullet travel, number of shots to get on target, etc. Bullet design...long heavy high sectional density v. shallow boat tail, shorter bullet, in terms of transonic stability. I know your earlier videos addressed this issue with a bit of your skepicism . . . bullet design is very interesting.
Did I hear you say you’re developing your own bullets? Did you get the bug and equipment to custom swage your own jacketed bullets like I did decades ago? I’ve developed my own bullets using different die lengths and designs for varying thicknesses of copper cups, leads, alloy’s and even steels like tungsten wafers etc. In the late 70’s. It is expensive. I was tutored on making lighter bullets at a given length and longer bullets at a given weight. It’s neat to hear I’m not the only “eccentric” minded shooter out there. Even if your having a shop make you custom designed bullets that is great too. I enjoy listening to you discuss your journey in developing and the lessons you learn and info you find to be different from what “everyone” says. I swear you sound just like me 30 years ago. People I spoke to back then, who did more reading than doing, said the same stupid nonsense I can tell you’re getting now. I’m sorry you’re dealing with stupid peoples comments who aren’t even doing what you guys are actually doing. You’re on the right track, and I enjoy watching the loops your shooting. Just some old data. I’ve gone through the combustion of shorter fatter cases and longer slimmer cases and the different combustion rates and pressure curves of different powders also. Your right on the money with your 300 Win Mag, 7 Mag and Rum and Norma cases burning 80 to 100 grains of powder with 29 to 30 inch barrels. The last three I built had 29 1/2 inch barrels. The longer cases like the old 6.5 and 7X300 Weatherby or 338 Lapua, 416 or 375 or other wildcats with longer powder columns in excess of 110 grains of powder or more, 32 to even 36 inch barrels proved better. Plus, if no taper, when you shout out the throats, you can cut them down and re-chamber them. Well I’ve talked too much as I tend to do. Cheers.
Great Stuff. I’m interested in your comment on brass issues with the 300 RUM. Can you elaborate on this. I’ve had some issues with a particular brand of brass not extracting with minimum loads. No pressure signs. Just seizing in the chamber. Was this your experience.
Hi Matthew, really just getting start with the RUM, next season I can get back into it and hopefully have some real results and be able to let folks know what I found, Cheers
Have you considered chambering your 7mm rem mag to 7stw? Not much needed to convert from the research I’ve seen. I have 3 7mm mags and am considering doing it to either my rem 700 or browning. Thanks for the informative video as always!
Heck of a channel and heck of a lot of great information! Cheers! Have you worked with the 300 Weatherby mag at all? Wondering if they got it right back in the 1940's ?
I am curious if one could attach a kestrel to a drone to get the wind conditions 100-200+ feet above where the bullet trajectory would be going through? Idk just a thought but awsome video 338 and 375 will always be favorite great information filled video
Ah, have thought about the fact the drone is making it own 50 km down stream of air to fly, lol, so no that would not work, nor would be any sort of practical thing any way, but thanks for the thought, Cheers
Hi mark, not exactly ELR related but what group size would you think is adequate if I want to shoot out to 750 yards with my 7mm rem mag in a hunting application? I’m using 168gr ABLR’s at 2940fps and getting 3/4 inch groups but sometimes 1-1.5 inches. I only got the gun last week but after 100 rounds the 168’s don’t seem to want to get much better than 3/4 inches. Got some other bullets shooting 1/2 inch but they aren’t the best for LR. Also another question, does 1.5 MOA at 100 yards equate to 1.5MOA at 700 yards? I’d love to see a video on what you think, I’ve seen conflicting opinions online, some people saying their gun shoots better MOA wise at 200 yards vs 100, they say the bullet doesn’t “ settle “ until past 100 yards and they prefer to shoot at 200..
Hi John, we have many videos on those and many more subjects, but first thing I would say, is the rifle is rarely the accuracy problem, everything else, including the most important part, the shooter. Try our information video play list, there is lots to help there, Cheers
Hey mark great vid and info, I’m looking to upgrade my Barnard and I am considering the 300WSM through a 30” and 220-230gr-it will be fine for comps like Fclass but I am looking to pushing out further to what you guys are doing just not sure if the WSM will hang with the other 30 cal cartridges you have been using ?
Thanks mate, good words of wisdom and excellent as always. PS Can U sell Sam's on your online shop as I'm pretty sure most guys missus's won't get up at 4.30 in the morning to spot lol, if u can clone her you'd make a fortune haha
3:55 Takes shot, unloads spent cartridge, carefully places it back in the box, pours a nice cup of coffee, reads a short novella, puts eye back to scope, sees impact.
Really appreciate the walk through videos you have put out on the rounds and equipment of ELR. Maybe a bullet selection reloading one next? Still waiting on my rifle to get made for it. Do you feel the Belted mags are a bit harder to deal with reloading wise? I tended to steer clear of them due to this. I also plan to work up the 245gr berger and 250 A-tip in the PRC with N570 and RL33 (here in the states).
Thanks Scott, glad you like, and we'll see on that one, as for the belts, I load to shoulder head space, so besides rumor and innuendo, really not any different to everything else, Cheers and all the best.
Hi Mark. Great video, as always! A cartridge that has been of interest to me is the 300WSM. From your video it did not feature as a contender. Does it not have the legs / efficiency for ELR based on your testing?
Well lots and lots that I did not mention, the 300wsm would be a good cartridge, and would work fine for ELR, probably not quite as capable as the 300wm for ELR/ULR from what I have seen, but depends on your needs, Cheers
MarkandSam AfterWork Thanks for the reply Mark. My application would be more towards hunting in the open plains of the Karoo, and non competitive LR target shooting for fun. Looking for something that has less recoil than the 300WM but not a lot less power. Cheers 🍻
Well recoil is a result of the acceleration of the bullet, so power, bullet weight and a little to do with burn rate, to get less recoil, you need a little less of one or the other..... but from what I have heard the WSM should do that well, but that is not an ELR conversation so I will leave it there, lol, Cheers
I’ve not done a 7 Prc but I have done a 28” 8 twist 7 saum throats to 3.115 oal with 175 eldx (I hunt with these guns) and a 27” 8 twist 28 nosler standard throat for a friend The saum runs 3050 FPS with the 175 , I’ve not done any load developing with the 28 nos because it shot factory loaded 162 eldx’s into one hole but the 162s Crono’d at 3240 FPS (Magnetospeed) I didn’t think that was a significant difference in speed considering the difference in powder and bullet weight and one inch of barrel should probably only be good for 30-50 FPS I think that in order to get the most out of the prc you will have to single round feed it because of c.o.a.l. And find a powder that is optimal for the barrel length...with my saum it was 4831sc which was a little faster than I thought I should be at 🤷♂️ but it zips along and group’s nicely I’m sure you have far more experience with these things than I do but I figured I’d share my experience I’m not sure what the perfect 7mm is but I feel it is something between the saum and nosler and I’m sure that the 7 mm bore is the most sensible bore size for ELR as it strikes a nice balance between B.C. and recoil that makes the sport enjoyable! Just my 2cents keep shooting and sharing I really enjoy your content!!!
I walked out my dpms 223 24inch stainless steel bull barrel to about 3/4 of a mile using 55 grain full metal jackets shooting at seagulls for my targets they were on a sandbar and i had the "water/river" to help me stretch my shooting out there every time i shot id see a splash in the river and id re calculate my shot i didnt hit any of my targets but i got damn near close to them they ended up flying off after a few splashes got close to them
@@markandsamafterwork thanks for the advice there mark i knew about what was behind my targets i just wanted to stretch it out see how far id throw some copper and lead down range so far thats the furthest ive been able to stretch out any bullets
Hi Guys, after seeing this video, not sorry i ordered my 7 mm Rem Mag.. seems I made a good choice! My desire is to go to about 1000 M, would be happy at that!
Well from what I understand it's basically a 375 Ruger case necked down to 30cal, and works well as described in the video, but no doesn't shoot heavy bullets better than a 300wm, not from what I have seen, Cheers
Dear M+S.. Am watching and studying your videos more and more. But having come to the channel.. When it's very popular and has many vids.. Have you considered numbering your videos.. So they are more easily retreived and found.. maybe a list of numbers and subjects created? I wanted to say this privately for fear of looking stupid.. But couldn't work out how!! Maybe there is a list? Anyway.. Am a engaged fan 👍
Hi Tim, you need to use the channel page, there are search features, ordering features, listing features, we also have a index site that can help with some, but really all best done on the channel page, maybe get a friend that uses RUclips a lot to help, Cheers
Mark, when you find the best cartridge, are you going to push it out to 7,000 or 8,000 yards? I was just reading that a fellow set a world record at 4 miles (7,070 yds) with a .416 Barrett. It doesn't say the target size, but in the 3-mile he used a 32" H x 48" W target. It took them 69 shots to hit at 4-mile. I may be wrong, but from what I've seen of you and Sam shooting, with 69 shots, you could walk it in at 7k yards ezpz. Anyway, just curious if you considered the world record attempt. Cheers. Article: www.ourmidland.com/sports/article/Midland-s-Paul-Phillips-nbsp-part-of-world-record-15406100.php
Well that sort effort is a very different deal to what we do (target size, target lay out, team size, forward spotters, shot count, etc, etc) not what I would call realistic in any sense other than trying to hold a record, but each to there own, and good on them. Truth is we have no interest in setting records, we are just pushing our own boundaries, learning and passing on what we can, while entertaining along the way. As for what we are looking for in a cartridge, as said is something in the normal ELR/ULR distances 3000 to 4000 yard capability, with all the details mentioned in the video, Cheers
MarkandSam AfterWork I tend to agree. Seems like they just shot until they hit and viola, World Record! However, I haven’t done it so congrats to them. I just couldn’t help but wonder how you guys would do at 7-8k shooting.
H Cody , probably would great to test all those cartridges, we would love to test those and more for everybody, and we are doing all we can with our time and money, so I am trying to encourage viewers for needed financial support to make more happen, very few do, but we are always hopeful, Cheers and all the best.
...had to put my boooots, high booots on.....for some....& some is logic from some experience.....stick to one cartridge & get more years under your belt & you will learn alot more.....so we don't need boots on & can watch the entire video....lol
This has got to be one of if not the most informative and best channels out there in regards to accurate long range shooting, rifles , scopes etc . You and Sam are doing phenomenal job . Keep up the great content. Cheers 🍻 🥂
Thanks Man, Cheers
I could not agree more. Mark and Sam provide us the type of first hand experience, knowlege and insight that you either pay a lot of money to hear about once in a class. Or lucky enough to shoot with some of the best shooters and they pass some knowledge onto you. Most of us will never have the opportunity to shoot at the distances they do. But the humble methodical process they present in everyone of their videos we can all learn from.
Agreed I've been chain watching their videos the past 2 weeks. I'm going to watch an ELR match this weekend I'm sure I'll be hooked after that.
Love the candor is this video! Very useful commentary. Will have to watch several times to absorb all the info.
Cheers
A lot of bullets over a lot of yards... and as always a lot of competent input... thumbs up, man!
Thanks Man, glad you like em, Cheers
I’m just getting into long range precision (500-1000 yards starting out) but I watch all these videos on these incredibly long shots. I chose 6.5mm Creedmoor fed through a BadRock Precision “South Fork” rifle. Cost me like $5k to buy everything I needed on the rifle and optic end and I just bought 8 boxes of all the best match grade ammo I can find. Can’t wait to take it out and get some data.
Awesome, have fun, Cheers.
I love your unbiased comparisons between cartridges. Your 6.5saum vs 6.5-06AI helped me finally decide on a hotrod 6.5mm.
I'd love to see a 7mm-300win mag vs 7mm-300prc (I think that's basically a 7mm LRM) comparison. I'm interested to see what kind of performance they have vs thier 30cal parents also.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Cheers Eugene, Thanks
Best channel I've seen on long range shooting. Good job.
Cheers
Brilliant video. Lots to think about and learn as you work thought the process. Helps us all in our own ELR journeys. Thanks Mark
Thanks Jason, glad you liked, Cheers
Awesome info for all of us interested in your work. I like how you think, and you put your money where your mouth is. Always helpful, and grateful for what you and Sam do. Thank you.
Thanks Mate, Cheers
I'm so excited! I got my howa 1500 with a Nikko sight. 6.5 creedmore. I'm here at Universal shooting academy in Florida and going to sight in and shoot today! $1100.00 complete us$, figured great for a starter. Its all your fault! Love you guys! Cheers...bill
Lol, great to hear, happy to take the blame for that one, all the best, Cheers
Love the content! I'm definitely keen to see the findings on the 300 Norma! defs a damn shame here in Aus how its a tad harder to get our hands on these "new" cartridges and rifles like the 300prc, norma or even the 416 barrett
Thanks Man, Cheers
Mark is this close to creating his own wildcat.
Lol, Cheers
Excellent video as always, I have also seen really good performance from a long barrel with my 300 Win Mag. My twist was a little too slow for the heavier bullets but performance with 210gr VLDs from 30" tube and Retumbo powder has been phenomenal, getting 3100ft/s from a minimum powder load. When I'm in a bind and can only grab factory ammo, I'm even confident shooting Superformance with 180gr SSTs as they chronographed 3320ft/s from the 30" barrel. That caliber just loves long barrels.
Thanks John, yes the sure do, and conversely, they can be OK, but not a great performer in short barrels, go figure, lol, Cheers
As always, VERY informative and credible comment from you Mark. You really should develop your own wildcat cartridge. My fave is the 416 Barrett... Thanks again for all those hours of research and sharing of knowledge, good job 👍🏻
Thanks Frans, Cheers
Great video! Always enjoy your logic, from experience from real life testing and experimentation. You present yourself very well, and explanations are clearly done.
Thank you Kent, Cheers
Thank you so much !!! God bless you always !!! Most of the ELR shooters hoard thier data, my oldest son and i are in it just for fun, 375 chytac on a stiller action, 338/378 weatherby we just got out of the shop, 300 win tack drivrr and a venerable ol 308 win for this ol man cause he is ol school, we bought your muzzel brake for the weatherby but havnt got to shoot it yet, we watch all your videos and always take heed when you speak, again thank you
Thanks Kenton, glad you like the videos and hope you and all yours are well, Cheers
King of 2 mile is an amazing event 4 hours from home , I have a 338 Lapua (wich I THOUGHT was a good ELR cartridge , probly is with a more expieremced shooter) those guys are on a whole other level , most were shooting
375 Cheytac and 416 Barrett and a few 50 Bmg
Cheers
Maybe the best video yet. Marks gettin pretty smooth & comfortable in front of the camera.
Lol, Cheers
Great video appreciate all the hard work that you put in behind the scenes to make it all happen thanks for sharing.
Cheers Brian, Thanks
Mark &Sam iam always excited to see your new videos pop up. One of my favorite rifles is my 218bee in a ruger #1. The best shot I've made with it was 450 yards on a small squirrel, all I will say was it was luck. Awesome, video keep them coming
Thanks Sterling, good shot, glad you liked, Cheers
...."4th shot, now your excuses are running out and you have to make the shot".... that part put a smile on my face.
Lol, yep, Cheers
Awesome mark definitely my favourite channel :-) I still have a soft spot for that Gibbs 375 by far my favourite of yours. I’m just putting together my LA105- 308win.
Thanks Chris, should go well, glad you liked the video, Cheers
I’ve learned more from you Mark than a all the books I’ve read and about many things. You said a cartridge in 7mm that had a case capacity of around 10 grains more than the 7mm Remington Magnum might be the ideal cartridge for ELR. That really me wondering about a rifle I back ordered from Eurooptic in 28 Nosler. Searching Google I found the Remington 7mm Magnum holds 82gr of H20, 28 Nosler 100.7gr H20. Then I searched all my reloading manuals and found in the Nosler manual using a 168gr bullet and Reloader 25 that a 100% case fill in Remington 7mm magnum is 69gr, 100% in 28 Nosler is 85gr. Not that we could safely load that much R-25 but the capacity of the cases. I just found the same powder - Bullet weights for both cartridges. The max load listed in 7mm Rem Mag is 70gr @ 100% case fill and 28 Nosler max load listed is 79gr @ 94% case fill. That’s still mighty close to what you predict might be an excellent ELR cartridge. I’d imagine that I’m missing something here but I thought I might ask you if you’ve already researched 28 Nosler. The main reason I ordered the rifle is watching what you have done with your 7mm Remington Magnum. Thank you for your work, I’ll be ordering another bag rider, your muzzle brake and bipod system as soon as I get the rifle and can measure the distance from the bottom of the fore grip to top of the barrel. I don’t know if I’ll need bipod component D or C yet.
Hi Cory, yes we have a bit work to figure the 7mm option and that one is in there, we'll see, Cheers
Thanks Mark for the awesome content you provide...Im addicted to your channel busy with a 300 norma mag build...would like to purchase some of you products...Do you ship to South Africa at the moment? Keep up the great work Cheers🍻
Thanks Jaundre, Australia post is not able to get through your closed borders at this moment, there are other shippers that can, so if you have shipping accounts it is possible, if not we have wait for your borders to open up again, Cheers
Always appreciate your experience and knowledge base!
Thanks Man, Cheers
I’m shooting a 7 saum with the Berger 190LRHT.
Been pretty successful at 2600-3000 and hope for two miles soon.
You may want to look into that bullet for the 7 prc.
Great video!
Thanks Man, Cheers
Awesome video. Thanks for sharing the knowledge. One of my favorite channels.
Thanks Ronnie, glad you like the videos, Cheers
Sorry for the silly question Mark...
But if the chamber is extended/lengthened to accommodate a longer projectile, would that not be creating a *new cartridge?* Would a designator like (E) or (L) after the cartridge name be appropriate, and stamped onto the barrel?
Cheers for your thoughts Mate!
No, we are just moving the throat, which can commonly be different from rifle to rifle, Chamber is not changed, Cheers
Nope.
Great video. Informative and interesting as always!
Thanks Man, Cheers
Mark, I would love to see the 7mm300Norma Magnum vs the 7mm Practical. Plus maybe a video on muzzle velocity migration on a new barrel using the above two cartridges as an example? Very good content. You are a very knowledgeable person.
Thanks Man, as for those cartridges we would love to test more for everybody, and we are doing all we can with our time and money, so I am trying to encourage viewers for needed financial support to make more happen, very few do, but we are always hopeful, Cheers
I don’t know why I’m watching because the closest thing to a long range rifle i own is my 1903 Springfield iron sights. Still, this is fantastic information and awesome shooting. Keep it up 👍
Thanks Joey, Cheers
Thanks Mark, Some great food for thought here and enjoyed your review. Cheers and thanks for the share.
Hi Dave, glad you liked the video, you sure helped with some of that story, thanks again, Cheers and all our best.
Good breakdown of the road your on. For finding the wind at 200' there is always tracking a helium (or hydrogen) balloon, but that might be more time and trouble than just taking an extra shot. :))
Thanks Man, and yeh, maybe a multi layered team of constant balloon releases, and computer generated wind map, with a predictive algorithm driven wind reading........ just a tad much work and maybe a little more expense than the national dept, but that could work, lol, Cheers
Excellent. I am especially interested in analytical/quantitative/probability information...for example, your candid information on lack of subsonic trace, height above the ground for bullet travel, number of shots to get on target, etc. Bullet design...long heavy high sectional density v. shallow boat tail, shorter bullet, in terms of transonic stability. I know your earlier videos addressed this issue with a bit of your skepicism . . . bullet design is very interesting.
Thanks Chris, glad you liked, Cheers
The .50 bmg i didnt know it wasnt to accurate but thanks for the knowledge when it gets out there
Hi Edward, as always, all in the details, lol, Cheers
Did I hear you say you’re developing your own bullets? Did you get the bug and equipment to custom swage your own jacketed bullets like I did decades ago? I’ve developed my own bullets using different die lengths and designs for varying thicknesses of copper cups, leads, alloy’s and even steels like tungsten wafers etc. In the late 70’s. It is expensive. I was tutored on making lighter bullets at a given length and longer bullets at a given weight. It’s neat to hear I’m not the only “eccentric” minded shooter out there. Even if your having a shop make you custom designed bullets that is great too. I enjoy listening to you discuss your journey in developing and the lessons you learn and info you find to be different from what “everyone” says. I swear you sound just like me 30 years ago. People I spoke to back then, who did more reading than doing, said the same stupid nonsense I can tell you’re getting now. I’m sorry you’re dealing with stupid peoples comments who aren’t even doing what you guys are actually doing. You’re on the right track, and I enjoy watching the loops your shooting.
Just some old data. I’ve gone through the combustion of shorter fatter cases and longer slimmer cases and the different combustion rates and pressure curves of different powders also. Your right on the money with your 300 Win Mag, 7 Mag and Rum and Norma cases burning 80 to 100 grains of powder with 29 to 30 inch barrels. The last three I built had 29 1/2 inch barrels. The longer cases like the old 6.5 and 7X300 Weatherby or 338 Lapua, 416 or 375 or other wildcats with longer powder columns in excess of 110 grains of powder or more, 32 to even 36 inch barrels proved better. Plus, if no taper, when you shout out the throats, you can cut them down and re-chamber them. Well I’ve talked too much as I tend to do. Cheers.
Thanks Aaron, yes sounds to be the similar path, and as in most things, still lots to learn, glad you like, Cheers and all the best.
Thank you Once more a lot to think about. Very well done.
Thanks Jose, Cheers
Thank you again for another awesome and informative vid.
Thanks Man, Cheers
Great Stuff. I’m interested in your comment on brass issues with the 300 RUM. Can you elaborate on this. I’ve had some issues with a particular brand of brass not extracting with minimum loads. No pressure signs. Just seizing in the chamber. Was this your experience.
Hi Matthew, really just getting start with the RUM, next season I can get back into it and hopefully have some real results and be able to let folks know what I found, Cheers
Awesome comparison, thank you.
Cheers
Have you considered chambering your 7mm rem mag to 7stw? Not much needed to convert from the research I’ve seen. I have 3 7mm mags and am considering doing it to either my rem 700 or browning. Thanks for the informative video as always!
It's an option, but not much in it, Cheers
Heck of a channel and heck of a lot of great information! Cheers! Have you worked with the 300 Weatherby mag at all? Wondering if they got it right back in the 1940's ?
30-338 Weatherby is one we have used on the channel, Cheers
I am curious if one could attach a kestrel to a drone to get the wind conditions 100-200+ feet above where the bullet trajectory would be going through? Idk just a thought but awsome video 338 and 375 will always be favorite great information filled video
Ah, have thought about the fact the drone is making it own 50 km down stream of air to fly, lol, so no that would not work, nor would be any sort of practical thing any way, but thanks for the thought, Cheers
Hi mark, not exactly ELR related but what group size would you think is adequate if I want to shoot out to 750 yards with my 7mm rem mag in a hunting application? I’m using 168gr ABLR’s at 2940fps and getting 3/4 inch groups but sometimes 1-1.5 inches. I only got the gun last week but after 100 rounds the 168’s don’t seem to want to get much better than 3/4 inches. Got some other bullets shooting 1/2 inch but they aren’t the best for LR. Also another question, does 1.5 MOA at 100 yards equate to 1.5MOA at 700 yards? I’d love to see a video on what you think, I’ve seen conflicting opinions online, some people saying their gun shoots better MOA wise at 200 yards vs 100, they say the bullet doesn’t “ settle “ until past 100 yards and they prefer to shoot at 200..
Hi John, we have many videos on those and many more subjects, but first thing I would say, is the rifle is rarely the accuracy problem, everything else, including the most important part, the shooter. Try our information video play list, there is lots to help there, Cheers
Hey mark great vid and info, I’m looking to upgrade my Barnard and I am considering the 300WSM through a 30” and 220-230gr-it will be fine for comps like Fclass but I am looking to pushing out further to what you guys are doing just not sure if the WSM will hang with the other 30 cal cartridges you have been using ?
Thanks Ben, and well I think there is enough info here to extrapolate, but I have not tested, Cheers
Can you make a video about binoculars, monoculas and spotting scopes, we need something for spotters.
Well if we ever get the opportunity to test others we will share, Cheers
Thanks mate, good words of wisdom and excellent as always.
PS Can U sell Sam's on your online shop as I'm pretty sure most guys missus's won't get up at 4.30 in the morning to spot lol, if u can clone her you'd make a fortune haha
Thanks Rob, and lol, Cheers
3:55 Takes shot, unloads spent cartridge, carefully places it back in the box, pours a nice cup of coffee, reads a short novella, puts eye back to scope, sees impact.
Lol, cheers
I think the 7mm-.300 Win would be another interesting cartridge.
That is the 7mm Practical, Cheers
Really appreciate the walk through videos you have put out on the rounds and equipment of ELR. Maybe a bullet selection reloading one next? Still waiting on my rifle to get made for it. Do you feel the Belted mags are a bit harder to deal with reloading wise? I tended to steer clear of them due to this. I also plan to work up the 245gr berger and 250 A-tip in the PRC with N570 and RL33 (here in the states).
Thanks Scott, glad you like, and we'll see on that one, as for the belts, I load to shoulder head space, so besides rumor and innuendo, really not any different to everything else, Cheers and all the best.
plz do the 7mm PRC! loved the vid.
Cheers
Hi Mark. Great video, as always! A cartridge that has been of interest to me is the 300WSM. From your video it did not feature as a contender. Does it not have the legs / efficiency for ELR based on your testing?
Well lots and lots that I did not mention, the 300wsm would be a good cartridge, and would work fine for ELR, probably not quite as capable as the 300wm for ELR/ULR from what I have seen, but depends on your needs, Cheers
MarkandSam AfterWork
Thanks for the reply Mark. My application would be more towards hunting in the open plains of the Karoo, and non competitive LR target shooting for fun. Looking for something that has less recoil than the 300WM but not a lot less power. Cheers 🍻
Well recoil is a result of the acceleration of the bullet, so power, bullet weight and a little to do with burn rate, to get less recoil, you need a little less of one or the other..... but from what I have heard the WSM should do that well, but that is not an ELR conversation so I will leave it there, lol, Cheers
You should look at the 28 Sherman Magnum. Parent case is a 300PRC, necked down and a blown out shoulder.
Cheers
Do you have a video regarding monolithic versus lead bullets? Cheers!
Not specifically, have discussed that I prefer to use lead core where I can, but then there are lots of details, may do one in time to come, Cheers
Wondering if you have played with the 6.5-300 wetherby mag ?
Nope
Love your videos!
Cheers
Have you shot the 338 Edge? Thanks for your great information.
Not yet, Cheers
I’ve not done a 7 Prc but I have done a 28” 8 twist 7 saum throats to 3.115 oal with 175 eldx (I hunt with these guns) and a 27” 8 twist 28 nosler standard throat for a friend The saum runs 3050 FPS with the 175 , I’ve not done any load developing with the 28 nos because it shot factory loaded 162 eldx’s into one hole but the 162s Crono’d at 3240 FPS (Magnetospeed) I didn’t think that was a significant difference in speed considering the difference in powder and bullet weight and one inch of barrel should probably only be good for 30-50 FPS I think that in order to get the most out of the prc you will have to single round feed it because of c.o.a.l. And find a powder that is optimal for the barrel length...with my saum it was 4831sc which was a little faster than I thought I should be at 🤷♂️ but it zips along and group’s nicely I’m sure you have far more experience with these things than I do but I figured I’d share my experience I’m not sure what the perfect 7mm is but I feel it is something between the saum and nosler and I’m sure that the 7 mm bore is the most sensible bore size for ELR as it strikes a nice balance between B.C. and recoil that makes the sport enjoyable! Just my 2cents keep shooting and sharing I really enjoy your content!!!
Hi Matthew, thanks for the info, Cheers
Have you considered any of the nosler cartridges like 30 or 28 nosler?
Yes, and many, many others, Cheers
Another vid for your Greatest Hits Reel
Thanks Joe, Cheers
I walked out my dpms 223 24inch stainless steel bull barrel to about 3/4 of a mile using 55 grain full metal jackets shooting at seagulls for my targets they were on a sandbar and i had the "water/river" to help me stretch my shooting out there every time i shot id see a splash in the river and id re calculate my shot i didnt hit any of my targets but i got damn near close to them they ended up flying off after a few splashes got close to them
Sounds like fun, but always keep an eye on the back drop, those little bullets could be travelling twice as far again after that splash, Cheers
@@markandsamafterwork thanks for the advice there mark i knew about what was behind my targets i just wanted to stretch it out see how far id throw some copper and lead down range so far thats the furthest ive been able to stretch out any bullets
So is the 338lm dead? Since even the 300gr atips have a lesser bc than the 250 30cal.
No not at all, still a great round, Cheers
They shoot farther than I drive some days
Cheers
Hi Guys, after seeing this video, not sorry i ordered my 7 mm Rem Mag.. seems I made a good choice! My desire is to go to about 1000 M, would be happy at that!
Yes there are a good round for sure, have fun, Cheers
And I thought the PRC was specifically designed for the heavier bullets as opposed to the winmag?
Well from what I understand it's basically a 375 Ruger case necked down to 30cal, and works well as described in the video, but no doesn't shoot heavy bullets better than a 300wm, not from what I have seen, Cheers
MarkandSam AfterWork based on Hornady‘s marketing that seemed to be its point
Marketing, yep, Cheers
great Work
Cheers
I have 280 akl what is your take on it. Also I have a 264 win, how do they compear
Sorry I don't have either, Cheers
Dear M+S..
Am watching and studying your videos more and more. But having come to the channel.. When it's very popular and has many vids..
Have you considered numbering your videos.. So they are more easily retreived and found.. maybe a list of numbers and subjects created?
I wanted to say this privately for fear of looking stupid.. But couldn't work out how!!
Maybe there is a list?
Anyway.. Am a engaged fan 👍
Hi Tim, you need to use the channel page, there are search features, ordering features, listing features, we also have a index site that can help with some, but really all best done on the channel page, maybe get a friend that uses RUclips a lot to help, Cheers
I read somewhere. I believe trijicon made a device to see the wind using particles in the air. Might help you
That will be good to around 400 yards, lol, so maybe in a few years, but really not the point, but thanks, Cheers
Why choose a 7mm prc over a 28 nosler?
Both options are on the table, Cheers
Have you ever considered running a 300 weatherby mag?
Lots we would love try, hopefully get enough viewer financial help to make them happen, Cheers
30-378 Weatherby is more fun.
7mm Prc vs 28 Nosler
really how much from each other to they differ
?? we haven't tested, so I couldn't say, Cheers
Mark, when you find the best cartridge, are you going to push it out to 7,000 or 8,000 yards? I was just reading that a fellow set a world record at 4 miles (7,070 yds) with a .416 Barrett. It doesn't say the target size, but in the 3-mile he used a 32" H x 48" W target. It took them 69 shots to hit at 4-mile. I may be wrong, but from what I've seen of you and Sam shooting, with 69 shots, you could walk it in at 7k yards ezpz. Anyway, just curious if you considered the world record attempt. Cheers.
Article:
www.ourmidland.com/sports/article/Midland-s-Paul-Phillips-nbsp-part-of-world-record-15406100.php
Well that sort effort is a very different deal to what we do (target size, target lay out, team size, forward spotters, shot count, etc, etc) not what I would call realistic in any sense other than trying to hold a record, but each to there own, and good on them. Truth is we have no interest in setting records, we are just pushing our own boundaries, learning and passing on what we can, while entertaining along the way.
As for what we are looking for in a cartridge, as said is something in the normal ELR/ULR distances 3000 to 4000 yard capability, with all the details mentioned in the video, Cheers
MarkandSam AfterWork I tend to agree. Seems like they just shot until they hit and viola, World Record! However, I haven’t done it so congrats to them. I just couldn’t help but wonder how you guys would do at 7-8k shooting.
Thanks but not a realistic thought, not in any sense, Cheers
Great info m8 - wow :)
Thanks Oddur, Cheers
is the .300 norma the same as the .308 norma?
Nope, look them up in Wikipedia, Cheers
6.5prc vs 300wsm for this arguments sake
Cheers
Maybe instead of 7mm prc look at trying 7-300 norma or 7-300 norma improved
H Cody , probably would great to test all those cartridges, we would love to test those and more for everybody, and we are doing all we can with our time and money, so I am trying to encourage viewers for needed financial support to make more happen, very few do, but we are always hopeful, Cheers and all the best.
@@markandsamafterwork do you have a website I can buy some shirts or hats or anything?
Well yes, if you look below the video, we have a webstore with many things and options, there are also shirts on this page, below the video, Cheers
So the AR2225 = Retumbo?
Yes
...had to put my boooots, high booots on.....for some....& some is logic from some experience.....stick to one cartridge & get more years under your belt & you will learn alot more.....so we don't need boots on & can watch the entire video....lol
Lol, good work, Cheers