Victoria Arduino Prima One vs. La Marzocco Linea Mini | Crew Comparison
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Just an idea but I wonder what it would be like to add an overhead camera that gives you a closer look from a POV perspective. It might help with some close-ups when the other cameras can’t quite get a proper angle from behind. Just a thought!
I love this guy and how good he explains the important stuff. I'm still undecided which one to go for but VAPO looks like 1 step ahead...
Nobody seems to talk about reliability anymore….the number of return units and repairs. For me I need to know that that if I spend this much on a machine I’m not having to send it back to the repair shop every 5 minutes, So how reliable are typeset machines, how much of them commercial high-end components are incorporated to make the machine bullet-proof ( at least from a consumer perspective) ?
Great comparison I think Linea Mini is for me seeing each machine side by side since I have small kitchen. Mini has more analog feel and start timer plus it looks amazing and it’s slightly more compact with bigger reservoir
If the producer ever reads this, some humble production feedback: use the second cam for a meaningfully different perspective, rather than a slightly-to-the-left alt where the host's back still blocks everything they're doing. Up close, let's see those hands, that coffee. Main shot is way too wide, the machines are maybe 5% of the shot, that flat wall wall and the bottom of the counter and all those cups are just not important. Shoot the intro, then get both cameras into the action. Movement. Framing. Life!
Correct me if I`m wrong. But the Prima has no T3 technology built in. It`s called NEO. They used new insulation materials, smaller boilers and heating elements in the group head. And that is why you don`t need a programmable on off setting. The machine is ready for espresso in about 10 minutes. And due to this technology the prima needs almost half the amount of energy compared to the Linea mini. This may be taken into account when you have to decide between these two machines.
Hi there! It is a different system than the T3 system, but still utilizes an actively heated group. I found that the machine needed a long purge if it sat for a while. Otherwise water coming from the brew group would "crackle", reminiscent of a heat exchanger machine. Combined with the small water tank and drip tray, I found myself refilling the water tank and emptying the reservoir frequently.
The prima uses 2800 watts where as the linea is a mere 1800 watts
@@blakeottomeyer2261 That's correct, but it still runs on 110V power through a 15 amp circuit, so it can't use all 2800 watts at the same time.
@@johnholmquist9277 alright please explain my knowledge is limited when it comes to power. My belief was wattage=voltsxamps
So how can it be 2800 but not use it? Is 2800 referring to starting watts only?
@@blakeottomeyer2261 There are multiple heating elements inside the machine, on 110V power, it can't run all the elements simultaneously, so it has to be cycling between the different elements.
The GS3 does a similar thing (to my understanding) if you run it in half power mode.
Very inconclusive, if you can say this “comparison” video! Poor details, for 18:30 min shooting, bad camera angles. It looks like “let's do it coz we have to do it”. I definitely expect much better videos in future from your great team.
But come on… you have to choose one! These comparisons don’t help us much. We want a winner! :)
I have some Lion compared with Korean plastic coffee maker on my channel. With proper blind test) But here you really need to just watch both reviews of The Machines
Another thing that annoys me is when he says that hes not going to use one of the features about the steamer because he wants to make it fair but that doesn't make sense because if these 2 machines are around the same price point and I'm only assuming thassuming that then he should show off the extra feature that the other 1 has right? But I also watched another video from this channel and the same thing happened so it's psyche it's like make up your mind right I'm talking about them
LMLM is reliable, so it wins in my book
Spot on. Comparisons like these are useless, unfortunately. Politely explaining that these are good quality machines. We all knew that much before these 18 minutes - yet these are very different machines, but little transpires about the relevant (or irrelevant ) differences. 10 years ago these would have probably been fine, but with things like Lelit Bianca and Decent "profiling" ever the horizon, a little more substance wouldn't have been wasted.
Nice video! Maybe also nice to compare next time with La Marzocco GS3 vs VA prime.
My top 3 list for home
1: Gs3 (Mp)
2: VA prime
3: Linea Mini
But all of them are great machines! Kinda both are overkill for home useses 😆
Bb
Like the set for demos. Lots of good information relayed. The only negative was you turning your back on the camera. Fine if this is a radio show but it leaves the viewer with little or nothing to see.
You said the shots were both good, but you didn't say describe them further. Did they actually taste the same?
Will the Arduino work for a small cafe set up?
Well, given that I was deciding between these two and the single group Slayer, this is a very helpful start. Great video 👍
So wich one you gonna decide? :p
@@Orkunmovic that I need a few more thousand dollars in the bank before I splurge 😅
Slayer one group is on another level, probably GS3 MP level allowing semi pressure profiling whereas these two don't.
@@CoffeeReviews hahah indd it costs al lote a money for a not rich guy like me xDD
if u have that amount of money, just pick slayer or speedster
This is the ultimate home machine battle. Nice Job!!
Thanks for the video ❤
Please, how much money you would pay for Victoria Arduino Eagle one prima ? I have possibility to buy for around 3.600 vat include. Do you think is a good price?
Hello! Glad you enjoyed it. Unfortunately we don't have a good understanding of the market for this machine in your area. Apologies!
Great crew comparison. I have a Kees van der Westen Speedster Machine at home and yet no one seems to compare it with anything. Would love to see a comparison video of the Speedster and the Slayer on this channel. Maybe in the future...?
Kees are on another level bro
@@abyanfawwaz6611 yup, and imo slayer 1 group is speedster's only rival for now
Nothing to compare to
that is a dream machine but compare to Dalla Corte Mina, Slayer or the new La Marzocco Lever X machine
For most people it will come down to the workflow and aestetics, as they differ greatly in these two machines.
LM comes in an older, traditional and slightly outdated design, an acquired taste for many, while VA Prima has that slightly more contempirary look and shape. LM has however been on the market for some time now, while VA Prima is a 2yr old newcomer, riddled with issues and problems from the day dot, which hopefuly have been all addressed and fixed by now.
As a nunerous e61 prosumer machines owner for the last 25 years, I lean more towards the VA, it is breath of fresh air for someone who wants to move on from the outdated and surpassed e61 machines and their tech.
How does the rocket boxer timer one group compared to these two machines??
They say the linea mini was based on the linea classic but the linea classic I trained on didn't have an MP version. Is it based on a far older linea classic?
Hello, I would like to buy these machines. How much do they cost?
I’ll take the Prima for the current price. I’ll take the Mini if it was 1400 bucks cheaper
Any chance of a brand name to that smoked glass you pour the first coffee into? looks brownish - maybe a smoked finish Picardie? utter gorgeous and 'urgently' needed lol.
Likely not neutral
Man at that price they should be giving 5 year warranty
Would like to see them compared to other high end machines like Dalla Corte Mina and Slayer machines.
I'm just curious... how could more cup clearance be a con?
is the espresso taste different characteristic , from VA and lamarzocco ? with same recipe.
because i heard , lamarzocco more strong espresso but for VA more soft and complex taste.
Great Comparison!
At this level they better both perform great. I would as soon have the grinder first and foremost. That said I think the Linea Mini machine is just sexy.
John: @13:38 I'm messing up. Nobody tell Gail.
Gail: I am here boyooo...
Nice video fun and informative
Great comparison, except you could use more cameras. Back shots aren't the greatest.
Have had a plumbed in 220 volt La Spaziale S1 for many years. Have compared shots from S1 and Linea Mini at coffee trade shows. If I were offered a free Linea Mini in exchange for the S1 I'd say no thank you. Would lose programmable volumetric dosing (can always stop manually) and would only decrease efficiency. IMO the only conceivable upgrade would be to a profiling capable machine but as of yet do not have the inclination to go down that road.
I had an S1 for a decade and I never had better coffee anywhere. Recently sold it and got a Decent for the profiling, which is fun, but I'd be lying if I said my coffee is now as good as it used to be with the S1, which took a lot less effort every morning.
e1 prima vs slayer please :))
For the price, better to get a KvdW Speedster than a Slayer :D
@@RegrinderAlert agree or a Dalla Corte Mina
All over Italy All I saw was La Marzocco, Cimbali and Gaggia commercially.
so no Dalla Corte Mina?
@@GuitarsAndSynths Della Corte are beautiful but not one did I see anywhere! Cimbali number one, especially in Naples
Solid comparison….wish I could afford the mini…
man you made a mess. lol. the workflow is not relevant to the machine comparison but you can at least show better and smoother workflow like a pro that does coffee for a living.
Beautiful machinery. I prefer the La Marzocco gs3 model. I like the manual aspect of the machine. But either one of these will produce great coffee. These are the high end super cars of home expresso.
To strip things away, espresso machines are just machines which help to push hot, pressurized water through the coffee puck.
I'd say put most of your budget into a good grinder
I think, when you are at the level of one of this machines you are not only looking for good espresso, you are looking for an especific profile and user experience. Personally, I prefer the digital experience of the E1 Prima than the mechanical of the Mini.
... and the list of the top 3 best grinders * no price limit ?
@@Dejan_23Unlimited Kafatek Monolith Flat Max, Levercraft Ultra and Weber EG1 probably
The Victoria Arduino is fraught with production quality issues and you'd be honest to talk about it.
They are not in the same price range
The water tank location on the La Marzoccos (Mini + GS3) kills me every time. E1 Prima does it right. Also, he is downplaying how "easy" it is to remove the drip tray on the Mini.
The LM drip tray is actually easy to remove and empty. Also the tray itself doesn't cause a mess like it does on the E1.
Also I don't see how having to remove cups to access the water tank is considered an advantage. The LM gives you way more flexibility when it comes to positioning the machine.
And it doesn't suffer from bugs and temperature inconsistencies plus better service and support in most countries.
If you have your machine under cabinets, the LaM is the only accessible reservoir option.
The E1 Prima looks kinda cheap and plasticy in my opinion
The L mini is just sexy wish I could afford one
Tips half of coffee everywhere, then taste tests the espresso. C'mon, what is this? Amateur hour! This is an embarrassment of a video when talking about $7000Aud machines.
It's just a casual comparison, he wanted to show how awkwardly you would look like if choose Linea over Prima :D
@@coffeeblogua , I tuned in as I recently got a high level machine at home, and coffee is a topic that interests me. The professionalism of these videos is not good when you're talking machines of this standard. Who makes a coffee, then tips half into another cup and then does a taste comparison. Um, how about reshoot the video and make another coffee if your chosen cup doesn't fit. What, maybe 5 minutes work...
Is this company supposed to be a reputable seller of these machines are they. To me, all this video shows is this company/reviewer has no idea what they are doing.
I'll just stick to James Hoffman videos for my coffee industry interests I think.
@@proctermorris6657 I agree with you. People who've watched any video by James Hoffmann have been really spoilt-there aren't many other knowledgeable content creators out there whose videos have such high production quality. I've watched a few videos by American coffee companies (which I won't name) reviewing products and doing demonstrations, and it's almost frightening how there is such an apparent lack of care in the way they film the videos and create the drinks-making a mess of the coffee or steamed milk, and creating 'latte art' that insults the steam wand that was used for it.. The competition on RUclips is only going to be more intense, and I hope these companies will invest more into the planning and production of content to provide a better brand experience to their potential customers.
@@alexcheong553 , appreciate the message mate. You're right on every account. This is supposedly a reputable business and this is the best they can turn out. Seriously, it's an embarrassment that they sell anything to anyone. I love watching James Hoffman videos. His stuff is so insightful and entertaining.
@@proctermorris6657 This guy may be a decent barista but he definitely terrible in front of the camera, even the content of the video was disappointed, there werent much comparison other than the tasting and frothing and those were expected to be similar anyway. This channel really had gone straight down since Gail retired few years ago and I don't regret stopped following since then.
But I don't agree what Alex said, there are so many high quality youtube coffee channel even just in Aussie, you should check out Artisti and Seven Miles.
The Sprometheus is good too.
With that sloppy technique, who cares about the machine.
Call a spade a spade, both machines WAY overpriced and looking to price gouge. Rocket is by far the best luxury prosumer machine for the money.
By my experience, Rocket’s grouphead is way hotter than both of those machine on this video. When you brew coffee continuously, the Rocket tend to become hotter and hotter and produce more bitter coffee in the end
Agree with reply. I’m not sure how the R9 compares and now Rocket have the Epica which is even more expensive. The R9 did not review so well but they look awesome. Epica has gone full LP lever like thingy but who knows what it’ll be like. I think the Mini has more miles under the hood where the Prima may need some time to work out kinks. Both look great.
Take a shot every time this guy call the Arduino something else, smh.
The Blogs are filled with tales of woe from VA owners. Underdeveloped, poor build quality and reliability issues. Give me a proven LM.
or an ECM or Rocket for way less cash.