@@blackgold3584 The thing is these views have existed for centuries, despite that muslims in general live in peace with one another, even with these differences, only when the US/UK/Isntreel started their operations in the middle east did these secatarian conflicts begin, this is all a huge psyop any scholar worth anything knows this.
I just recently found out that this Salafis ascribe boredom/tiredness to God and then say that this boredom is not like our boredom, some of them plainly just did taweel that they always accuse us of. Shocking, Shocking 🤦🏻♂️
Have you come across the fact that they affirm "emotional harm for God" yet? They say: but this harm is not like the harm of creation. You'll find it in the explanation of the hadith: يؤذيني ابن آدم، يسب الدهر وأنا الدهر ...
@@ShaykhHarounKanj I've spotted these mistakes after i watch jake video Alhamdulillah from channel like this I watch videos of you and bro. Sherif of African Dawah revival on theology It helps me a lot Jazakumullah khaeran
When I saw Jake sitting with Daniel Haqiqatjou on the PBD podcast discussing Christian apologetics, I thought to myself that Jake might be defending Islam alongside Daniel, but he will definitely make a video against Daniel in the near future because Daniel leans more towards Ash'ari beliefs, while Jake talks against Ashari beliefs in his videos from time to time.
Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib(RA) said: "Allah is eternally existent and place is not, and He still exists as he eternally was (i.e. without a place)" narrated by Abu Mansur al Baghdadi in his book 'al-farqu baynal-firaq' Imam Zaynul-Abidin Ali ibn al Hussain (RA) said: " you are Allah, the One who is not confined to place" in his book 'as-Sahifah as-Sajjadiyyah' Imam Ja'far as Sadiq (RA) said:" he who claims that Allah is anything or on anything or from anything commits shirk. Because, had He been on anything, He would have been carried, had He been in anything, He would have been contained, and had He been from anything, He would have been a creation" narrated by Imam al Qushayriyy in his book ar- Risalah al- Qushayriyyah. Imam Abu Hanifa (RA) said: "Allah is eternally existent and eternally place did not exist. Allah eternally exists before creating the creation. Allah eternally exists and eternally there was no place or any other creation and He is the Creator of everything" in his book al- Fiqhul-Absat. Imam Shafi (RA) said:" Allah, the exalted is eternally existent and eternally place did not exist. Allah created the place while he is still attributed with eternity as he was before creating the place. It is intellectually impossible for change to occur in his Self or for alteration to happen in his attributes" related by Imam az-Zabidiyy in his book Ithaf as- Sadatil- Muttaqin. "Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal (RA) never attributed directionality to Allah"... related by Imam ibn al- Jawziyy in his book 'Daf Shubhatit-Tashbih'. Imam Jarir at-Tabariyy (RA) said:" delusions can not grasp the reality of Allah, places do not contain him, sights do not attain him rather he knows about them all. Verily he is the one Whose reality cannot be grasped by delusions and Whose knowledge encompasses all"- in his book 'Tarikhul-Umam wal Muluk'. Imam at-Tahawiyy (RA) said:" Allah is utterly clear of all boundaries, extremes, sides, organs and instruments. The six directions do not contain him, as they contain all created things. Imam ibn Hibban said:" Allah is eternally existent and eternally no time or place did exist" narrated in his book 'Sahih ibn Hibban'
@@oeshkoer wahabi creed says God is above the sky, and sahih hadith says He is neither above not below anything, meaning He exists without a place. I'm surprised I even have to explain it to you. Your basic understanding is weak.
Shaikh you missed some major points u could've raised: - Jake and the taymis affirm God can become silent (sukut) - the god of the pagans is silent at all times. The asharis do not believe that God becomes silent and this is also something denied by the salaf like imam at tabari - Jake and the taymis believes the attribute of speech is a temporal sifat fi'liyyah (attribute of action). This is something rejected by the asharis as they affirm its a sifat dhatiyyah just like the salaf (none of the salaf affirmed God's speech is a sifat fi'liyyah). Infact God's speech being a sifat fi'liyyah is what's attributed the Jahmiyyah - for instance ibn khuzaymah says that whoever claims God's speech is an attribute of action is an innovating jahmi! -Jake and the taymis believe God's speech is subject to his will and power and temporal - what they essentially believe is that God creates/causes within himself sounds (and letters) and this is how he communicates with people and creates! Wal 'iyyaadhu billah - and Jake and the taymis believe instances of God's speech are hadath within God's essence - this means God is undergoing essential changes and is constantly evolving from one state to another. This belief has been explicitly stated as kufr by the salaf like at tabari. If Jake boldy explained his beliefs without hiding the taymi double speak, I do not believe any of his audiences would accept it, rather they would flee from such vile beliefs. May Allah keep the Muslims steadfast and aid our brothers and sisters who are being oppressed. Aamiin
@oeshkoer Its amazing that you ignored the fact the salaf said God isn't attributed with silence and that His speech is an eternal sifat dhatiyyah. You may even be ignorant that the hanbalis (non taymiyyans) also believe that God isn't attributed with silence and that His speech is an eternal sifat dhatiyyah. I can also tell from you're questioning that you are ignorant of the minutiae regarding God's communication with His creation. Regardless for arguments sake I'll play along: You said is God still speaking to Moses (as). My response is that God's power (qudrah) is a sifaat dhatiyyah by which He creates or brings things into existence. Two points: 1) Does God lack power or incapable, when not creating, as per you're paradigm wal 'iyyadhu billah - is his power changing? 2) is God still creating or bringing into existence the heavens and earth (or are they complete as per the Qur'an)?
@@JohnDoe-zw1vx I asked you a question, this is what i wrote: If you say God's speech is unchanging and God is never silent, then i ask you is God still talking to prophet Moses ?
@oeshkoer and I responded: if God's power is unchanging and never not incapable, then I ask you is God still creating the heavens and the earth (which the Qur'an affirms He completed)?
Well, what they're saying is the Arabic letters and sounds that are created and give access to the eternal speech is uttered is Khalq, but we can't admit that or we can't criticise ahlus-sunnah.
@@yourstruly5706 the so called salafis say that the Arabic letters and sounds were literally pronounced by Allah and have beginnings but are uncreated. That is their position, or at least the position of many of them.
@@lbnFadl no. Even their theologians such as Aquinas states the father can also incarnate otherwise they have different essences. The essence of god is not in a place. This is the Christian position 😂
Allah is outside time and space. We can never pinpoint Allah’s location. He is and exists in a way that befits his majesty. Why is it that most who end up studying in Medina come back, change there name to Abu so and so and end up pseudo Salafi cult sect.
This Jake guy was told not to venture into a subject he was not taught. The Wahhaabi institute from which Jake graduated did not teach true Aqeedah to its students but taught a trinity type of Tauheed,rububiyah, uluhiyah and Asmaa was sifaat. This Wahhaabi Salafi Athari Khariji has a limited intellect, a literalist mindset and an anthropomorphic concept of Allaah. Ilmul Kalaam is the most intricate topic to discuss especially when dealing with the topic of the Speech of Allaah. In this field Jake lacks depth similar to those students who graduated from that Wahhaabi institute in Madina Munowwarah. Most of the Madina students must review their studies in order to renew. The Aqeedah of the Ahlis Sunnah is to be understood from an Ash Ari and Maatureedi perspective and not from anthropomorphic Wahhaabi point of view.
Assalamu alaikum shaykh, these guys always slander Al Imam Fakhr al din al Razi when it comes to Ash'ari a'immah. Can you make short video on Imam Al Razi's positions.
Jake was a quranist for ten years (if i’m not mistaken) before embracing sunni islam… he said he became a sunni n learned frm a maliki madhab teacher.. he follows maliki fiqh bt athari aqeedah… at first i don’t care much.. keep supporting his channel.. as i like the way he debates the non muslims eg the quranist .. bt until he started to become cocky n question fellow muslims like asha’aris n maturudis…. n at one point he put a challenge to any asha’aris to debate him regarding aqeedah…. i unsubscribe from his channel after that… he was very cocky which i don’t like at all… seems he got so much hate against other creeds… may Allah guide him… i honestly ok with the salafi channels… as i like to watch the debates etc… just don’t like when muslims start attacking each other…
Jake said he doesn’t believe in an Eternal Quran. The Quran is the Speech of Allah. Imagine arriving to conclusion that كلام الله isn’t Eternal. SubhanAllah
Clarify your position clearly, when you say the Qur'aan and describe it as eternal, you mean something other then The Qur'aan that everbody knows is the Qur'aan.
@@justice70567 the Quran we recite is the speech of Allah. But us reciting it is not the exact Eternal Sifah of Allah speaking it. We know that Allah doesn’t resemble the creation so the manner He Spoke the Quran then I leave that affair to Allah.
@@LITTLE-ROCK exactly! I respect my man Jake for his workd on christianity (philosophy) and defending islam but damn he is agressive to other views. Not the attitude of a true scholar
@@radirandom that is maybe bcos wahabis don't teach adab. While we believe that a Muslim seeker of knowledge must learn adab before everything else. I've come across wahabis who use "lol", "lmao", laughing emoticons, while talking about Deen, and some who use vulgar language to attack their opponents( without provocation).
It’s funny how everything he said is nothing more than assertions/strawmans of the athari position (embarrassing blunders were made which shows the ignorance) and things that are trivial to be what ‘constitutes’ an idol.
@@lbnFadl Hanbali Mufawidhs aren’t the ‘true Atharis’. I follow the Salaf and can easily demonstrate their position. Would you like to discuss why Imam Al Bukhari believed in ‘contingency’ in God and that Allah is above the throne in addition to bringing many proofs for it from many other Salaf? ;)
Can someone help me I'm really trying to understand what the Ashairah believe about Kalamullah. Is the Shaykh saying that Allah already said what He said to Musa (as) before creation and then when Musa reached a specific time He allowed Musa to hear it?
That’s correct Allah is always mutakalim like He is always Qaadir. Allah doesn’t start and stop talking like us. Allah is not bound by time and place. Past present and future are one and the same to Allah. Allah is always mutakallim. So yes the veil was removed and Musa heard the pre-eternal speech of Allah that in no way resembles our speech. The Shaykh’s can correct any errors I may have made.
@@baselhakim2080 I don't believe Allah is confined to time and space. I just want to understand properly the Ashari position regarding Kalamullah being eternal and how we reconcile that with situations like Allah speaking to Musa (as) that appare to be happening at that moment.
@@Light_Receiver and why would those be mutually exclusive, or inconceivable? "Happening at that moment" applies to Prophet Musa alayhi Salam. Not to Allah , who doesn't have a "time". Other than that, we aren't even asked to delve or try to understand what or how that looks like "on Allah's side". Tafwid is perfectly fine and the basic Ash'ari position , as explained in Sura 3:7.
@@bigk140bigk4 Al-Bukhariyy. Sahih Al-Bukhariyy. Volume 9. Page 125. Hadith Number 7422. Al-Bukhariyy. Sahih Al-Bukhariyy. Volume 9. Page 135. Hadith Number 7453. Al-Bukhariyy. Sahih Al-Bukhariyy. Volume 9. Page 160. Hadith Number 7554. Ibn Hibban. Sahih Ibn Hibban. Volume 14. Page 12. Hadith Number 6143.
I read Ibn Taymiyyah authored a treatise stating that Allaah’s Knowledge does not pertain to things like the bliss of the people of Paradise, and that it does not encompass the infinite. Does someone know which treatise is, and which arguments Ibn Taymiyyah used for his stance? What i can think of is that he reasoned that since actions of the people of Paradise will never end, knowledge cannot foreknow what will not end and comes to a completion, hence it cannot encompass it. And since it is a logical impossibility the power of Allaah cannot be suggested as a reason to affirm that it can encompass the infinite. Hence because of this Ibn Taymiyyah adopted the view that the knowledge of Allaah is constantly renewing. Perhaps for the this reason Jahm bin Safwan held that Paradise/Hell and its inhabitants would all perish. But what is Ashari answer on Allaah knowing the infinite actions of the people of Paradise?
What?? By that logic your own Aqidah is like the trinity. Allah is one eternal being. He has attributes, which are not something else, but descriptions of him. Yani his attributes are not seperate beings like Jesus is to the father. The Kalaam lafdhi is created. What made you even think the Kalaam lafdhi is an attribute of God? The Lafdh is indicating of the attribute, not the attribute itself. By your logic there are multiple Gods Allah His knowledge His Power etc All these are attributes, not separate eternal things to him. In the same way, the kalaam lafdhi is an attribute of Allah, not something different that exists next to him
Thanks for the Video.
Why is bro getting involved with the aqeedah wars 😭
@@blackgold3584why not? And who started it?
@@blackgold3584 The thing is these views have existed for centuries, despite that muslims in general live in peace with one another, even with these differences, only when the US/UK/Isntreel started their operations in the middle east did these secatarian conflicts begin, this is all a huge psyop any scholar worth anything knows this.
May Allah bless you Bobby and strengthen you on the path of Ahlussunnah and keep you save from the fitnah of the Anthropomorphists
I just recently found out that this Salafis ascribe boredom/tiredness to God and then say that this boredom is not like our boredom, some of them plainly just did taweel that they always accuse us of. Shocking, Shocking 🤦🏻♂️
Have you come across the fact that they affirm "emotional harm for God" yet?
They say: but this harm is not like the harm of creation.
You'll find it in the explanation of the hadith:
يؤذيني ابن آدم، يسب الدهر وأنا الدهر ...
@@ShaykhHarounKanjWhat!! Interesting, I will check it out insha'Allah, even though at this point I am not surprised how low they would go anymore.
Alhamdulilah left them this year
May Allah increase u in knowledge and steadfastness
@@ShaykhHarounKanj
I've spotted these mistakes after i watch jake video
Alhamdulillah from channel like this
I watch videos of you and bro. Sherif of African Dawah revival on theology
It helps me a lot
Jazakumullah khaeran
When I saw Jake sitting with Daniel Haqiqatjou on the PBD podcast discussing Christian apologetics, I thought to myself that Jake might be defending Islam alongside Daniel, but he will definitely make a video against Daniel in the near future because Daniel leans more towards Ash'ari beliefs, while Jake talks against Ashari beliefs in his videos from time to time.
Seems that your comment aged well 😅
6:09 The Salafis complain about the name, like body or part, while affirming the underlying connotations of such terms, weird 🤦🏻♂️
Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib(RA) said: "Allah is eternally existent and place is not, and He still exists as he eternally was (i.e. without a place)" narrated by Abu Mansur al Baghdadi in his book 'al-farqu baynal-firaq'
Imam Zaynul-Abidin Ali ibn al Hussain (RA) said: " you are Allah, the One who is not confined to place" in his book 'as-Sahifah as-Sajjadiyyah'
Imam Ja'far as Sadiq (RA) said:" he who claims that Allah is anything or on anything or from anything commits shirk. Because, had He been on anything, He would have been carried, had He been in anything, He would have been contained, and had He been from anything, He would have been a creation" narrated by Imam al Qushayriyy in his book ar- Risalah al- Qushayriyyah.
Imam Abu Hanifa (RA) said: "Allah is eternally existent and eternally place did not exist. Allah eternally exists before creating the creation. Allah eternally exists and eternally there was no place or any other creation and He is the Creator of everything" in his book al- Fiqhul-Absat.
Imam Shafi (RA) said:" Allah, the exalted is eternally existent and eternally place did not exist. Allah created the place while he is still attributed with eternity as he was before creating the place. It is intellectually impossible for change to occur in his Self or for alteration to happen in his attributes" related by Imam az-Zabidiyy in his book Ithaf as- Sadatil- Muttaqin.
"Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal (RA) never attributed directionality to Allah"... related by Imam ibn al- Jawziyy in his book 'Daf Shubhatit-Tashbih'.
Imam Jarir at-Tabariyy (RA) said:" delusions can not grasp the reality of Allah, places do not contain him, sights do not attain him rather he knows about them all. Verily he is the one Whose reality cannot be grasped by delusions and Whose knowledge encompasses all"- in his book 'Tarikhul-Umam wal Muluk'.
Imam at-Tahawiyy (RA) said:" Allah is utterly clear of all boundaries, extremes, sides, organs and instruments. The six directions do not contain him, as they contain all created things.
Imam ibn Hibban said:" Allah is eternally existent and eternally no time or place did exist" narrated in his book 'Sahih ibn Hibban'
Imam Ali never said this its mursal
@@abyrahman6610 What was narrated from Ali comes from the books of Shia. Baghdadi took it from there.
@@oeshkoerAllah, nothing is above Him, and nothing is below Him: this is from sahih hadith.
@@LITTLE-ROCK actually that hadith is a proof against you. the hadith means He is somewhere (but asharis He is nowhere)
@@oeshkoer wahabi creed says God is above the sky, and sahih hadith says He is neither above not below anything, meaning He exists without a place. I'm surprised I even have to explain it to you. Your basic understanding is weak.
It is their materialistic/physicalist baggage that prompts them to such anthropomorphism.
Their rule of law is:
ما ثَمَّ الاَّ جِسمٌ أو قائِمٌ بِجسمٍ.
@@ShaykhHarounKanjwahabis god so scary.
Shaikh you missed some major points u could've raised:
- Jake and the taymis affirm God can become silent (sukut) - the god of the pagans is silent at all times. The asharis do not believe that God becomes silent and this is also something denied by the salaf like imam at tabari
- Jake and the taymis believes the attribute of speech is a temporal sifat fi'liyyah (attribute of action). This is something rejected by the asharis as they affirm its a sifat dhatiyyah just like the salaf (none of the salaf affirmed God's speech is a sifat fi'liyyah).
Infact God's speech being a sifat fi'liyyah is what's attributed the Jahmiyyah - for instance ibn khuzaymah says that whoever claims God's speech is an attribute of action is an innovating jahmi!
-Jake and the taymis believe God's speech is subject to his will and power and temporal - what they essentially believe is that God creates/causes within himself sounds (and letters) and this is how he communicates with people and creates! Wal 'iyyaadhu billah
- and Jake and the taymis believe instances of God's speech are hadath within God's essence - this means God is undergoing essential changes and is constantly evolving from one state to another. This belief has been explicitly stated as kufr by the salaf like at tabari.
If Jake boldy explained his beliefs without hiding the taymi double speak, I do not believe any of his audiences would accept it, rather they would flee from such vile beliefs.
May Allah keep the Muslims steadfast and aid our brothers and sisters who are being oppressed. Aamiin
If you say God's speech is unchanging and God is never silent, then i ask you is God still talking to prophet Moses ?
@oeshkoer
Its amazing that you ignored the fact the salaf said God isn't attributed with silence and that His speech is an eternal sifat dhatiyyah.
You may even be ignorant that the hanbalis (non taymiyyans) also believe that God isn't attributed with silence and that His speech is an eternal sifat dhatiyyah.
I can also tell from you're questioning that you are ignorant of the minutiae regarding God's communication with His creation.
Regardless for arguments sake I'll play along:
You said is God still speaking to Moses (as). My response is that God's power (qudrah) is a sifaat dhatiyyah by which He creates or brings things into existence. Two points:
1) Does God lack power or incapable, when not creating, as per you're paradigm wal 'iyyadhu billah - is his power changing?
2) is God still creating or bringing into existence the heavens and earth (or are they complete as per the Qur'an)?
I will tackle this in a future video insha Allah. It's on the to-do list.
@@JohnDoe-zw1vx I asked you a question, this is what i wrote:
If you say God's speech is unchanging and God is never silent, then i ask you is God still talking to prophet Moses ?
@oeshkoer and I responded: if God's power is unchanging and never not incapable, then I ask you is God still creating the heavens and the earth (which the Qur'an affirms He completed)?
The weirdest thing that Jake and the so called salafis say is that Allahs speech has a beginning but is uncreated?!?!
Well, what they're saying is the Arabic letters and sounds that are created and give access to the eternal speech is uttered is Khalq, but we can't admit that or we can't criticise ahlus-sunnah.
@@yourstruly5706 the so called salafis say that the Arabic letters and sounds were literally pronounced by Allah and have beginnings but are uncreated. That is their position, or at least the position of many of them.
@@stephen42red27 astaghfirullah, and they have the nerve to call people mushrikeen. Allah ta'ala protect us from the shirkh of the salafis. Ameen
Pagans,Jews and Christian’s all attribute place, direction,body and movement to Allah whereas Ahlus Sunnah completely negate it.
Actually you’re wrong. There’s an agreement between the church fathers that God is not in a place ;) and Jews say this too
@TheOldschool3r The church fathers say that about "The Father", not the son and holy spirit
@@lbnFadl no. Even their theologians such as Aquinas states the father can also incarnate otherwise they have different essences. The essence of god is not in a place. This is the Christian position 😂
The Salaf attributed direction and place.
@@TheOldschool3r Yes, Aquinas was not a church father. Aquinas contradicted the earlier scholars like Justin Martyr on this point
If the idols could speak, would Jake worship them?
What's next: "Allah can enter inside the body of Jesus because the idols of the mushrikeen couldn't do that"?
Allah is outside time and space. We can never pinpoint Allah’s location. He is and exists in a way that befits his majesty.
Why is it that most who end up studying in Medina come back, change there name to Abu so and so and end up pseudo Salafi cult sect.
Between us is the understanding of the Salaf. And Allah is the one we seek help from.
Alhamdulillah ahl sunnah aqidah based on tanzih aqidah.
Great refutation 👌
This Jake guy was told not to venture into a subject he was not taught. The Wahhaabi institute from which Jake graduated did not teach true Aqeedah to its students but taught a trinity type of Tauheed,rububiyah, uluhiyah and Asmaa was sifaat. This Wahhaabi Salafi Athari Khariji has a limited intellect, a literalist mindset and an anthropomorphic concept of Allaah. Ilmul Kalaam is the most intricate topic to discuss especially when dealing with the topic of the Speech of Allaah. In this field Jake lacks depth similar to those students who graduated from that Wahhaabi institute in Madina Munowwarah. Most of the Madina students must review their studies in order to renew. The Aqeedah of the Ahlis Sunnah is to be understood from an Ash Ari and Maatureedi perspective and not from anthropomorphic Wahhaabi point of view.
These people are portraying a wrong image of Ibn Taimyah R.A
May Allah reward u sheikh ❤
The metaphysician of tajsim 😂
Assalamu alaikum shaykh, these guys always slander Al Imam Fakhr al din al Razi when it comes to Ash'ari a'immah. Can you make short video on Imam Al Razi's positions.
Imam Razi is the 🐐
Don't worry about the pissants who are akin to the excrement of khanzeer
Very clear, بارك الله فيك❤
Jake was a quranist for ten years (if i’m not mistaken) before embracing sunni islam… he said he became a sunni n learned frm a maliki madhab teacher.. he follows maliki fiqh bt athari aqeedah… at first i don’t care much.. keep supporting his channel.. as i like the way he debates the non muslims eg the quranist .. bt until he started to become cocky n question fellow muslims like asha’aris n maturudis…. n at one point he put a challenge to any asha’aris to debate him regarding aqeedah…. i unsubscribe from his channel after that… he was very cocky which i don’t like at all… seems he got so much hate against other creeds… may Allah guide him… i honestly ok with the salafi channels… as i like to watch the debates etc… just don’t like when muslims start attacking each other…
Please akhi have discussion with him on this issue, i want to clarify everything.
Mashallah
Let's see how jade would escape this one
Jake said he doesn’t believe in an Eternal Quran. The Quran is the Speech of Allah. Imagine arriving to conclusion that كلام الله isn’t Eternal. SubhanAllah
Clarify your position clearly, when you say the Qur'aan and describe it as eternal, you mean something other then The Qur'aan that everbody knows is the Qur'aan.
@@justice70567 My position was pretty much clarified. The Quran is كلام الله and it’s not created.
@@ReturningRuh
Is that the Quran that we recite?
@@justice70567 the Quran we recite is the speech of Allah. But us reciting it is not the exact Eternal Sifah of Allah speaking it. We know that Allah doesn’t resemble the creation so the manner He Spoke the Quran then I leave that affair to Allah.
He is always a jashil ...he is pure Takfiri ...
sheikh I am maturidi and love your work!
Does Jake have a teacher even?
Other than copying Mehr Amir
Jake has the demeanour and style of a rapper.
@@LITTLE-ROCK exactly!
I respect my man Jake for his workd on christianity (philosophy) and defending islam but damn he is agressive to other views.
Not the attitude of a true scholar
@@radirandom that is maybe bcos wahabis don't teach adab. While we believe that a Muslim seeker of knowledge must learn adab before everything else. I've come across wahabis who use "lol", "lmao", laughing emoticons, while talking about Deen, and some who use vulgar language to attack their opponents( without provocation).
@@LITTLE-ROCK
yea it became this aqeedah club!!
what's next, ACL (Aqeedah Club Limited).
It’s funny how everything he said is nothing more than assertions/strawmans of the athari position (embarrassing blunders were made which shows the ignorance) and things that are trivial to be what ‘constitutes’ an idol.
Except he isn't attacking the athari position. If only salafis actually were athari. They'd avoid this nonsense altogether
@@lbnFadl Hanbali Mufawidhs aren’t the ‘true Atharis’. I follow the Salaf and can easily demonstrate their position. Would you like to discuss why Imam Al Bukhari believed in ‘contingency’ in God and that Allah is above the throne in addition to bringing many proofs for it from many other Salaf? ;)
@TheOldschool3r what's the difference between you and a Christian who also believe that there are not one but multiple contingencies in God?
@@hxyzazolchak You should ask yourself that because christians don’t hold to a temporal cause, oh! Just like you hahahaha
Your uelma have been refuted by shiekh sa'id foudah and his students already so sit down. @@TheOldschool3r
Can someone help me I'm really trying to understand what the Ashairah believe about Kalamullah. Is the Shaykh saying that Allah already said what He said to Musa (as) before creation and then when Musa reached a specific time He allowed Musa to hear it?
That’s correct Allah is always mutakalim like He is always Qaadir. Allah doesn’t start and stop talking like us. Allah is not bound by time and place. Past present and future are one and the same to Allah. Allah is always mutakallim. So yes the veil was removed and Musa heard the pre-eternal speech of Allah that in no way resembles our speech. The Shaykh’s can correct any errors I may have made.
@@alfaqiir Jazak'Allah khair. So even a conversation that we have with Allah, for us it starts in time but for Allah it already happened?
Your confusion might be from still imagining it thinking that Allah is "inside" the flow/passing of time. (Which is false)
@@baselhakim2080 I don't believe Allah is confined to time and space. I just want to understand properly the Ashari position regarding Kalamullah being eternal and how we reconcile that with situations like Allah speaking to Musa (as) that appare to be happening at that moment.
@@Light_Receiver and why would those be mutually exclusive, or inconceivable?
"Happening at that moment" applies to Prophet Musa alayhi Salam. Not to Allah , who doesn't have a "time".
Other than that, we aren't even asked to delve or try to understand what or how that looks like "on Allah's side". Tafwid is perfectly fine and the basic Ash'ari position , as explained in Sura 3:7.
Can someone answer me please, what’s above the Throne?
there is a book above the throne. 😊
@@user-xg6if9mf2o what’s you’re evidence?
@@bigk140bigk4
Al-Bukhariyy. Sahih Al-Bukhariyy. Volume 9. Page 125. Hadith Number 7422.
Al-Bukhariyy. Sahih Al-Bukhariyy. Volume 9. Page 135. Hadith Number 7453.
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@@alfaqiir i posted the evidence in the same comment thread.
How many hands, feet and face does Allah have?
Allah is not a body.
Ibn Abi Izz al Hanafi has refuted you jahmis on this
Does Jake ever smile? Like ever?
@jasonatreides2542 with a miserable creed like his, how can he?
He does smile. But not like how you smile. Similar but not the same. just we don't know how.
@@gamerkutingman7861i see what u did there… 🤣🤣🤣
@@gamerkutingman7861😂😂😂😂😊
I can't stand these dawah guys from England and USA absolute rubbish hmdlah we don't have em in Australia
I have bad news...
Does Allah have a shin?
Allah does not have parts. Allah is not a body.
@@user-xg6if9mf2o so why does the Quran talks about shin of Allah
@@dee6340The Qur'an was revealed in Arabic. The word "shin" is somebody's interpretation - not the Qur'an.
That's not what it means.
I read Ibn Taymiyyah authored a treatise stating that Allaah’s Knowledge does not pertain to things like the bliss of the people of Paradise, and that it does not encompass the infinite.
Does someone know which treatise is, and which arguments Ibn Taymiyyah used for his stance?
What i can think of is that he reasoned that since actions of the people of Paradise will never end, knowledge cannot foreknow what will not end and comes to a completion, hence it cannot encompass it. And since it is a logical impossibility the power of Allaah cannot be suggested as a reason to affirm that it can encompass the infinite. Hence because of this Ibn Taymiyyah adopted the view that the knowledge of Allaah is constantly renewing.
Perhaps for the this reason Jahm bin Safwan held that Paradise/Hell and its inhabitants would all perish.
But what is Ashari answer on Allaah knowing the infinite actions of the people of Paradise?
Allaah SWT is infinite. He has complete knowledge of himself. Therefore, his knowledge encompasses the infinite.
@@ShaykhHarounKanj That is just a waive off answer to me. And beside that, to you Allaah has no actions, just one eternal will
@@oeshkoeryou successfully confused yourself.
@@RamliIsmail-q6n Why?
Who says Allah has no actions?
Not Sunnis/Ash'aris! Why do you lie?
The Ashari position is like the christian trinity:
1) Allaah
2) Kalaam Nafsi
3) Kalaam Lafdhi
All 3 are God, and God is all 3.
Your understanding is incorrect. What about salafi tawheed trinity??😮
@@waressz That is not about the essence of God Himself.
What?? By that logic your own Aqidah is like the trinity.
Allah is one eternal being. He has attributes, which are not something else, but descriptions of him. Yani his attributes are not seperate beings like Jesus is to the father. The Kalaam lafdhi is created. What made you even think the Kalaam lafdhi is an attribute of God? The Lafdh is indicating of the attribute, not the attribute itself.
By your logic there are multiple Gods
Allah
His knowledge
His Power
etc
All these are attributes, not separate eternal things to him. In the same way, the kalaam lafdhi is an attribute of Allah, not something different that exists next to him
Kalaam nafsi is an attribute not identical to god. So your conclusion is faulty
Even Christians mocking wahabi's god having parts.... You are so funny wahabi