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I like to personally think Shenron is refuses to grant an extra wish to the Demons in Daima because the last time he granted wishes to a demon he got killed.
I want to see an extreme counterpoint to Super Shenron at some point. A really tiny worm-sized Dragon who can only grant simple wishes, like finding your lost keys.
What if a dragon like that came from an extremely inexperienced Namekian, like a baby or young child? Like they have that instinct to create dragonballs super early, so they made this super simple dragon.
It is funny. Piccolo in GT could have deactivated them permanently, without sacrificing himself, but that can be summed up due him forgetting this detail.
There’s actually 1 1/2 more sets of Shadow Dragons! No one ever seems to bring them up since even by Heroes standards they’re obscure. They come from DBH and World Mission There are the Super Shadow Dragons, which are just their super powered states. Then there are the *Namekian* Shadow Dragons. Which are spawned from the Namekian dragon balls but share the same appearance as the normal ones.
my guess on why nova shenron was made by the only evil wish is that the shadow dragons are created via negative energy, the negative version of evil is good, thus nova being brought forth from king picolos wish makes sense
It would be a fun time to bring all the dragon ball sets to one place and then summon them all at the same time. All the different dragons just filling up the sky.
Thanks for adding the omnificent crystal to your list of dragon balls. Dragon ball legends is my favorite game and you including it was a nice little surprise.
What I want from Daima is: - give the Demon Realm Dragon a unique name and not some bs like "Demon Shenron" - tell us the original name of Super Shenron, because there is no good reason for him to be actually just called Super Shenron - give us hints if there are even more DB Sets out there - explain how the wish system now works, because a Shenron created by Dende, shouldn't be able to be powerful enough to mess with the bodies of gods
Wait what? Ive played the entire hero mode of ultimate tenkaichi and never once fought ultimate shenron. It literally ends with you beating omega shenron and that was it.
9:04 there was an idea that right after they were destroyed, Primus would’ve appeared and restored the super dragon balls with the help of the allspark
Kinda strange how they say it was the wish to revive King Piccolo's victims that brought forth Eis, when Xenoverse claims that it was the wish to erase the memories of Buu's rampage from the people of Earth.
I always wondered, why do the dragons rush you to make a wish? Like, shouldn't they be happy to be "free" for a minute, and savor it? Seems better than just being stuck in a number of stone orbs.
They feel great discomfort when being outside, tho. They might actually sleep through the whole time untill they are called. So they don't really feel like they have anything to do when free.
I always thought that the reason for Broly's one wish was because Shenron was sent away before he granted 3 wishes. Another thing is that when Goku is to be brought back to earth, he refuses but Vegeta, who wants to fight Frieza (in anime) is transported anyway
All are iconic, my favorites are all Special thanks to the dragon balls from heroes, sooooo cool for a villain arc especially when we got ss4 limitbreaker Darkstar broly!!!!
I think its kind of normal for Shin to say that the Demon Real Dragon Balls are the original. Daima is before Super, and Shin didn't even know who Zeno was at first. He still needs to be educated in many areas. Thats just my theory. He probably did know about them, I haven't seen Super in a long time.
No, in Super. It stated the Dragon Balls were created by Namekians from Super Dragon Ball fragments. But I suppose the whole art and power required to create Dragon Balls were given to original Demon Realm Namekians for some unknown reason, maybe Daima will reveal that reason.
That could be it Shin is inexperienced and doesn't know as much as he thinks. Although more of lore needs to be explained. Like how are the kais connected to the destroyer gods to the point that if one dies the other does.
Most likely that Neva found the Super Dragon balls when travel was permitted between demon realm and universes. The timeline is all screwy now but Neva isn't older than the universe unless he is Zalama in disguise.
My thought is what happens if you get one of every single Dragon Ball and put them all together was it someone a fusion of all of the dragons or would it summon a completely new one?
So... - Every set of dragon balls has to have an eternal dragon. - With proper training, any Namekian from the Dragon Clan can make a set. Technically we don't even know if they have to be a Namekian or if they're the ones who just happen to actually know how to do it, but let's assume it's required. - We know that several Namekians left Namek in the wake of the ecological disaster that nearly drove their species to extinction. - Therefore, there could be dozens of eternal dragons. Or even hundreds, if some of the Namekian refugees produced eggs and set up their own colonies and continued the tradition.
The Black Star Dragonballs from GT don't make sense it you think about it. When Kami and Piccolo fuse together the Earth Dragonballs loss their powers until Dende. Since they were created by Kami when he and Piccolo fused Kami ceased to exist. However when Piccolo fused with Kami, he was not the original King Piccolo and he had at that point fused with another Namekian, Nail. If the Black Star Dragonballs existed in canon they would never be restored because the Nameless Namekian could never come back.
Every continuity canonically exist as an alternative timeline or something, except for Dragonball Evolution. Dragonball Evolution does not exist in Dragonball, unless it was one of the six universes that was erased by Zeno, or something like that.
my guess is still that the super dragonballs are the original dragonballs and the demon realm dragonballs are replications of the super dragonballs created by neva for the demon realm because he saw that his people were being subjugated so he made them to power up warrior namekians to be able to protect other namekians and when the namekians fled from the demon realm he created the tamagami so no one else can take the dragonballs
Wait ... Wish to become King? Could it be the one who wished for that is King Furry's ancestor? Which explains why Earth has a Blue Dog for a King/Leader
I miss the concept of Dragon Balls having consequences when overuse. I still don't know why they put in the idea of wishing for Super Saiyan God. They could have still kept a lot of the stuff from GT into Dragon Ball super. Quite a shame losing all that potential and storytelling.
Hear me out...What if Namekians are the Larvae stage of a Dragon. Thats why the dragons power is relative to it's maker, like a projection of its power, maybe the dragonballs are eggs, of what that namekian will be, The dragonball daima shows Neva from the original realm where nameks came from, a powerful namekian, what if he will become a dragon after all. Just like saiyans can be a great ape, namekians may become a great dragon...😅 The physical design of a namekian kinda looks like a humanoid dragon but with antennaes. Or better, reversed, the namekians are the final morph and the dragon is the larvae stage, thats why a namekian can create a dragon. A form of reproduction by energy. I haven't seen a female namekian tho. And they lose their magic powers of being a dragon, as they can evolve into humanoids in the physical, maybe that's why neva is magically strong, because he morphed from a dragon to humanoid and have managed to keep his dragon powers to some extent 😅...
My list of who is the strongest eternal dragon it only includes canon and gt 1. Super shenron 2. Demon realm dragon balls 3.Ultimate shenron 4. Porunga 5.Toronbo 6. Shadow dragons 7. Shenron If included super heroes then dark shenron will be number 2
Because it’s an easy shorthand that most people accept. It not taking place in the main continuity means it’s still not canon to said continuity. All the z movies are alternate realities and yet not canon to the main continuity. Two things can be true at once.
I’m thinking something wise and old, with like a beard. Since Neva is goofy, wise and old. Maybe Yoda inspired, like a lot of the demon realm has been inspired by Star Wars?
I like to draw stars on grapes, and eat em hands free with my buttmouth like a chicken reverse laying eggs, when I get all 7 I grant myself a wish, it's always 7 more wish grapes. When I'm loaded up I slumber until wine is produced, I then fill a great chalice with my wine and drink until I get the DragonBall grape idea again. It's a good life.
Actually 17 wished all erased universes restored, he didn't specify the ones in the Tournament of power. Meaning it's likely all 18 universes were restored. Likely to extend the Franchise more later.
@@tigerlord9302No, I said that if Shenron can choose to only give one wish then shouldn’t his recharge time be shorter as well. Since he only gave Gomah one, is his recharge less than 12 months? We don’t know We only know that if he DOES want to grand you three wishes and you dismiss him early then the recharge is less
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I like to personally think Shenron is refuses to grant an extra wish to the Demons in Daima because the last time he granted wishes to a demon he got killed.
That’d be funny lmao
“We don’t grant extra wishes to you dirty majin” -shenron, that one time
So he is racist againsts demons
@rataqueso2307 i mean his overall expirince with them was literally death
@MaxEG-i3w can you people learn to spell...it's experience
I want to see an extreme counterpoint to Super Shenron at some point.
A really tiny worm-sized Dragon who can only grant simple wishes, like finding your lost keys.
That would sick 😭 like a baby obe
What if a dragon like that came from an extremely inexperienced Namekian, like a baby or young child?
Like they have that instinct to create dragonballs super early, so they made this super simple dragon.
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Maybe that is what the oracle fish is?
8:47 “PEEAASSSS AND CARRROOTTTSSS”
- Whis
Probably my favorite summoning 💀
@@SmugStick whole heartedly agree 🤣
"our Dragon could wear yours like a scarf"
-dende
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And then Super Shenron uses them both as keychains 😂
@@homerman76*toothpicks
@@SmugStick"nah I am dead!"
-smugstick, probably.
It is funny. Piccolo in GT could have deactivated them permanently, without sacrificing himself, but that can be summed up due him forgetting this detail.
And it's not even bad writing because Piccolo canonically has a terrible memory when it comes to his techniques.
WW1: Archduke Francis Ferdinand Assassination
WW2: Painter rejected from art class
WW3: Dragon Balls
Wouldn't be surprised if it where this way too in real life
I love how earth shenron is now basically a service worker, lol. He even give you extra service if you are a regular.
There’s actually 1 1/2 more sets of Shadow Dragons! No one ever seems to bring them up since even by Heroes standards they’re obscure. They come from DBH and World Mission
There are the Super Shadow Dragons, which are just their super powered states.
Then there are the *Namekian* Shadow Dragons. Which are spawned from the Namekian dragon balls but share the same appearance as the normal ones.
Oh really???? Info on heroes is so hard to come by here I wish there was easier ways to find out about it, it’s so interesting
So, Zalama named the dragon "Super Shenron".
Nameless Namekian named the dragon "Ultimate Shenron".
And then Kami named the dragon....just Shenron.
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zalama is super shenron, they just call him that
???
I felt like the Dragon Balls turned to stone for good when Akira Toriyama died. 😢
Fucking A bro I felt like the dragon just died in a flash of light when Toriyama left us
Now I'm crying... Again...😢
Fan Theory because Bardock wished for Goku and Raditz to thrive he inadvertently caused Planet Vegeta's destruction as a price.
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He already caught wind of that before he made the wish, his suspicion of it's destruction is why he made it
Raditz thrived very little...
my guess on why nova shenron was made by the only evil wish is that the shadow dragons are created via negative energy, the negative version of evil is good, thus nova being brought forth from king picolos wish makes sense
Yeah that’s exactly my thought too!! I love Nova. Thanks for watching!
And he was the 4 star shadow dragon.. the 4 star ball is pertinent
W vid and amazing outro as always keep up the good work smugstick
The shadow dragons are such a sick idea for villains
It would be a fun time to bring all the dragon ball sets to one place and then summon them all at the same time. All the different dragons just filling up the sky.
Thanks for adding the omnificent crystal to your list of dragon balls. Dragon ball legends is my favorite game and you including it was a nice little surprise.
What I want from Daima is:
- give the Demon Realm Dragon a unique name and not some bs like "Demon Shenron"
- tell us the original name of Super Shenron, because there is no good reason for him to be actually just called Super Shenron
- give us hints if there are even more DB Sets out there
- explain how the wish system now works, because a Shenron created by Dende, shouldn't be able to be powerful enough to mess with the bodies of gods
This vid was great. Keep it up man!
Thanks so much!
Wait what? Ive played the entire hero mode of ultimate tenkaichi and never once fought ultimate shenron. It literally ends with you beating omega shenron and that was it.
9:04 there was an idea that right after they were destroyed, Primus would’ve appeared and restored the super dragon balls with the help of the allspark
Kinda strange how they say it was the wish to revive King Piccolo's victims that brought forth Eis, when Xenoverse claims that it was the wish to erase the memories of Buu's rampage from the people of Earth.
Yeah there’s two different explanations for it, one in the GT perfect files and the other from other sources. I should’ve mentioned that
Xenoverse is not canon neither is gt so that's all the explanation you need to know
@@anugoel11tfw you realize Super made GT Canon, and that's been common knowledge since Gowasu's introduction
I predict that the demon Realm's Dragon will have pointed ears
he's like poronga but red
I always wondered, why do the dragons rush you to make a wish? Like, shouldn't they be happy to be "free" for a minute, and savor it? Seems better than just being stuck in a number of stone orbs.
I like to think they're very bored with wish granting as a parallel to the Aladdin thing with the itty bitty living space and wanting freedom.
They feel great discomfort when being outside, tho. They might actually sleep through the whole time untill they are called. So they don't really feel like they have anything to do when free.
Always liked the look of red shinron
I think you'll have to update this once the DR Eternal Dragon is revealed.
Of course
What would happen if you put all the dragon balls together and tryed summoning a single dragon?
I've always wondered about that myself.
You get the Eternal Down Syndrome
I always thought that the reason for Broly's one wish was because Shenron was sent away before he granted 3 wishes. Another thing is that when Goku is to be brought back to earth, he refuses but Vegeta, who wants to fight Frieza (in anime) is transported anyway
9:48 so i guess you could say.. its power is MASSIVE....
All are iconic, my favorites are all
Special thanks to the dragon balls from heroes, sooooo cool for a villain arc especially when we got ss4 limitbreaker Darkstar broly!!!!
Welcome bro, great video
7:10 he probably thought it was funny to not give king kai more wishes lmao
LMAO that’s so mean
Pretty sure it was because Kaiō took way too long deciding on a wish
I liked the Dragon Balls that Granolah used. They looked as if it had no consequences of using them.
The consequence for his wish in particular was a lot of his life, but I know what you mean. I love them
The main design difference is his hair grew a lot to symbolise the time he spent for said power
The very odd thing about shenron is he can't turn the androids into humans but he sure can turn them into children in daima 😅😅😅😅😅
Red Shenron in GT is my favourite!
He looks sick! 🔥
Being 100% real i was pretty sure Shallot and Giblet were OCs of DevilArtemis
great vid!! didn't know about that weird ass mr popo shenglong lmaoo
Thanks man I appreciate it! Yeha Pokopoko is probably one of the weirdest things from online 😭
That thumbnail though, my new wallpaper
This video was perfect
That thumbnail is a behind the scenes of the shows😂
amazing videos as always keep it up
You commented without finishing the video
Thanks king 🙏
clicked because the thumbnail was sick
I think its kind of normal for Shin to say that the Demon Real Dragon Balls are the original. Daima is before Super, and Shin didn't even know who Zeno was at first. He still needs to be educated in many areas. Thats just my theory. He probably did know about them, I haven't seen Super in a long time.
No, in Super. It stated the Dragon Balls were created by Namekians from Super Dragon Ball fragments. But I suppose the whole art and power required to create Dragon Balls were given to original Demon Realm Namekians for some unknown reason, maybe Daima will reveal that reason.
That could be it Shin is inexperienced and doesn't know as much as he thinks. Although more of lore needs to be explained. Like how are the kais connected to the destroyer gods to the point that if one dies
the other does.
Great video!
Thanks so much
Smugstick happy new year
Happy new year!!
11:15 please tell me that this is foreshadowing raditz return in the next super arc 😮 return of the enture sayian race?
Nice work
Thanks king
@SmugStick Any time sir
2:42 bro so many piccolo .
Does the set from the other live adaptations of Dragonball count, the Dragon pearls?
Most likely that Neva found the Super Dragon balls when travel was permitted between demon realm and universes.
The timeline is all screwy now but Neva isn't older than the universe unless he is Zalama in disguise.
You forgot the part Where Parunga is the original species name of the dragons according to Daima
My thought is what happens if you get one of every single Dragon Ball and put them all together was it someone a fusion of all of the dragons or would it summon a completely new one?
8:40 he is a wyrm
Ye
Holy guacamole thats a lot of balls
So...
- Every set of dragon balls has to have an eternal dragon.
- With proper training, any Namekian from the Dragon Clan can make a set. Technically we don't even know if they have to be a Namekian or if they're the ones who just happen to actually know how to do it, but let's assume it's required.
- We know that several Namekians left Namek in the wake of the ecological disaster that nearly drove their species to extinction.
- Therefore, there could be dozens of eternal dragons. Or even hundreds, if some of the Namekian refugees produced eggs and set up their own colonies and continued the tradition.
Dont forget that one dude who put Goku in a chokehold not even 2 minutes into the tournament and tried to take Goku with him lmao
#SmugStickSquad 😎
Omg the gt dragons names’ spelling out shenron. My tiny brain has exploded
18.00 why does this feel so similar to Diama and also feels for shadowing.
How old is toyataro now?
I don't even know Super Shenron had hands. Wow. (Food panda ads is hell)
Ultimate shenron is the best
He’s got a sick design
@@SmugSticki like smoke shenlong he just like that chill uncle
@@Cratflat-y1rYeah I’ve always had a special place in my heart for him. He appears for so little but it’s so different
Guys i have a theory.What if one dragon ball for each dragon was collected.Will it result in a destructive dragon?
Beerus would still scare most of them.
Yeah lmao
Except Super Shenlong(Shenron)
Or ultimate shenron or dark shenron, they would probably not be scared of beerus.
@@oldschooldbz7902 Because he can easily kill beerus, lol. That dragon might be on par with zeno.
I wish that somehow they made the Black Star Dragon Balls and red Shenron Canon
The Black Star Dragonballs from GT don't make sense it you think about it. When Kami and Piccolo fuse together the Earth Dragonballs loss their powers until Dende. Since they were created by Kami when he and Piccolo fused Kami ceased to exist. However when Piccolo fused with Kami, he was not the original King Piccolo and he had at that point fused with another Namekian, Nail. If the Black Star Dragonballs existed in canon they would never be restored because the Nameless Namekian could never come back.
*So we have:*
Eternal Dragon
Dragon of Dreams
Super Eternal Dragon
Ultimate Eternal Dragon
Black Smoke Dragon
Dark Eternal Dragon
Trombone
Every continuity canonically exist as an alternative timeline or something, except for Dragonball Evolution. Dragonball Evolution does not exist in Dragonball, unless it was one of the six universes that was erased by Zeno, or something like that.
Finally out! (Cant wait)
Thanks so much!
Honestly I feel like we need the Shadow Dragons after DBS turned them into a joke
4:03 Looks at King Furry
I thought the same thing lmao
Don't disrepect the king like that. He is a good boy.
When will the next what if come out
Currently taking a break from them
What if android 21 was canon and arrived after the buu saga but before battle of gods like a year after the buu saga
0:00 it not just in the name IT IS the name
my guess is still that the super dragonballs are the original dragonballs and the demon realm dragonballs are replications of the super dragonballs created by neva for the demon realm because he saw that his people were being subjugated so he made them to power up warrior namekians to be able to protect other namekians and when the namekians fled from the demon realm he created the tamagami so no one else can take the dragonballs
That’s a good interpretation, I think he definitely made them because they were being ensalved
Wait ... Wish to become King?
Could it be the one who wished for that is King Furry's ancestor? Which explains why Earth has a Blue Dog for a King/Leader
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You forgot the dragon pearls from dragon ball the magic begins
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Wassup!
Smugatock when is next what if also can you do what if smugstick was in dragon ball
Not for a while, but I am planning on making that one sometime
I miss the concept of Dragon Balls having consequences when overuse. I still don't know why they put in the idea of wishing for Super Saiyan God. They could have still kept a lot of the stuff from GT into Dragon Ball super. Quite a shame losing all that potential and storytelling.
Mashen long Mr pokopoko who looks like porunga mixed with Mr popo
I just have a feeling that Dragon Ball diam short anime.
You forgot about Lord slug
What if Omega Shenron got the ultimate dragon balls?
That’s the story of dragon ball z ultimate Tenkaichi!
Hear me out...What if Namekians are the Larvae stage of a Dragon. Thats why the dragons power is relative to it's maker, like a projection of its power, maybe the dragonballs are eggs, of what that namekian will be, The dragonball daima shows Neva from the original realm where nameks came from, a powerful namekian, what if he will become a dragon after all. Just like saiyans can be a great ape, namekians may become a great dragon...😅 The physical design of a namekian kinda looks like a humanoid dragon but with antennaes. Or better, reversed, the namekians are the final morph and the dragon is the larvae stage, thats why a namekian can create a dragon. A form of reproduction by energy. I haven't seen a female namekian tho. And they lose their magic powers of being a dragon, as they can evolve into humanoids in the physical, maybe that's why neva is magically strong, because he morphed from a dragon to humanoid and have managed to keep his dragon powers to some extent 😅...
All 3 Dragonball z sequel series involve someone wishing someone being a kid.
Oh yeah 😭 Even super, the Pilaf gang. I didn’t think about that
My list of who is the strongest eternal dragon it only includes canon and gt
1. Super shenron
2. Demon realm dragon balls
3.Ultimate shenron
4. Porunga
5.Toronbo
6. Shadow dragons
7. Shenron
If included super heroes then dark shenron will be number 2
You think the shadow dragons are weaker than Porunga? I agree with the rest, but sheer power I think Omega goes above most
I still don't see why people say gt isn't canon when toriyama stated multiple times it's canon just alternate timeline
Because it’s an easy shorthand that most people accept. It not taking place in the main continuity means it’s still not canon to said continuity. All the z movies are alternate realities and yet not canon to the main continuity. Two things can be true at once.
@SmugStick thats the fairest anwser I've gotten
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I wonder what the dragon from the demon realm dragon balls is going to look like
I’m thinking something wise and old, with like a beard. Since Neva is goofy, wise and old. Maybe Yoda inspired, like a lot of the demon realm has been inspired by Star Wars?
@SmugStick that makes sense
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I like to draw stars on grapes, and eat em hands free with my buttmouth like a chicken reverse laying eggs, when I get all 7 I grant myself a wish, it's always 7 more wish grapes. When I'm loaded up I slumber until wine is produced, I then fill a great chalice with my wine and drink until I get the DragonBall grape idea again. It's a good life.
Actually 17 wished all erased universes restored, he didn't specify the ones in the Tournament of power. Meaning it's likely all 18 universes were restored. Likely to extend the Franchise more later.
Wonder how the demon realm shenron would look like
Same here. If they’re anything like Neva, maybe their dragon is super old and wise?
@ like a old version of parunga
Wasn’t that the whole point of stopping Bulma from using the Dragon Balls in the Buu Saga? To make the charge time shorter?
Yes, Goku stopping her made the time to recover 4 months instead of 12
@@SmugStickBut you said that it’s unsure in that case. 🤷♂️
@@tigerlord9302No, I said that if Shenron can choose to only give one wish then shouldn’t his recharge time be shorter as well. Since he only gave Gomah one, is his recharge less than 12 months?
We don’t know
We only know that if he DOES want to grand you three wishes and you dismiss him early then the recharge is less
@@SmugStickOh thanks, you go through it so fast I got confused. 😁😂🤣
@@tigerlord9302no worries lol
If Kami created shenron shouldn't he be able to grant wishes?
Nah, its not one to one what power each had
They should all be canon except for the dragon ball evolution
And every dragon ball fan is happy
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