i have so much respect for Clint Eastwood. The man sees things for what they really are. "it boils down to young men being sent off to end their lives prematurely, no matter what side your on". which brings me to the statement of "in war there is no victor" PERIOD.
Any movie that allows the viewer to feel compassion for our so-called "enemies" is a gift. The fact that this movie was so well done makes it all the more powerful.
Class film! One of the best war films ever! It gets across a different culture and point of point of view to an american audience which is no bad thing. By the end of this film you have a profound respect for the normal Japanese soldiers and indeed soldiers of any nation.
I really like how he put scenes from flags of our fathers in Letters, really lets us know that its all clint eastwood, great movies both of them. BTW, everybody, today, as I type this comment, it is the date of the flag raising over Mt. Suribachi, pray with me, and lets honor the souls of those that lost their lives on that Island.
arigato... my grandfather died in WWII, defending Japan for us to live and i am proud of them. thank you for clearing the names of my ancestors. (bow and respect)
You can always talk to vets in your locality, as they are now mostly, well, getting on and would appreciate people showing them appreciation for their service:-)
My Dad survivied this war. Dad was left unconscience on Iwo Jima. He always felt guilty since he was knocked out and left behind. We never knew this until his funeral in 1990. If you're ashamed...LEAVE! I LOVE MY DAD and his comrades. I've lost several other Veterans. My life is incomplete having lost these brave victims! Live with what we have become and accept it or find another country and embrace it!
Maybe we do suck. I've been away from my homeland for so long. But I'm sure there are plenty of things we do wrong. I got to talk to some of the war vets through my job here in the UK(I'm a nurse), and I have to say the graciousness of those vets, I shall never forget. They are most humble about their courage and bravary they showed all those years ago. Really, I cant help but admire them. I feel lucky to have met them.
I would love to talk to japanese war vets too-and hear their side of story. I find watching this film almost too emotional. I just cry,you know. About 16 years ago I had couple of letters from baron Nishi's son telling me a bit about his dad. This film brough back a lot of memories of how I felt, when I read those letters.
This is unlike the typical Spielberg epics of 'Saving Private Ryan' that only exist to highlight the brutality and savagery of all war. Instead, Eastwood's approach is incredibly original and more builds itself on the foundation of its characters rather than actual battle. It is sad to think that such a fine piece of work is underrated heavily considering its improvement from 'Flags of our Fathers'. One of the best I've seen.
Nobody should make fun of Iwo Jima. More than 40,000 young men were killed or injured in total. In the United States, people remember Iwo Jima as it was one of the biggest battles in U.S. navy history. However, apparantly in Japan, not many people remember it. In my class, a lot of people thought Iwo Jima was a person until I told them. We should be less ignorant about the past, and never forget about the battle.
@caroln1858 Didnt you watch the video? Clint made a movie first on the american side and then a movie on the other side, japan. it show the humanity of the two sides and the inhumanity of the war
Dear ohrian, he's great, eh? I really liked Play Misty fo me, High Plains Drifter, Bridges a Madison County & Dirty Harry. The Unforgiven is wonderfully bleak. I always wanted hair like Eastwood. Clint said to Jim Carey, "I used to have hair like yours!"
My Father was in World War II. He was in the Navy Air Corps. They treated the Japanese Detainees very well. They gave them the food to prepare the way they wanted it, and they gave them whatever was needed to sustain them. They never tortured them. Wish I could say the same for the Japanese to our American Soldiers. Yes, war is a terrible thing. War is a punishment for sin. Man's inhumanity to man is due to a flawed soul! Let the Japanese make their own film.
This is way better than Flags of Our Fathers. Letters of Iwo Jima made an impact on me, whereas Flags of Our Fathers in my opinion just was a war movie among others. I guess its the cultural differences. Americans just attack a place with totally overpowered forces and cry, when 10 of their own die. The Japanese were blown to pieces, but many of them just fought on. Then again, mabye I see resemblance between this war and the Winter war and thus cheer for the Japanese in this movie...
In the words of Holland "Howling Mad" Smith: "I don't know who he is, but the Japanese General running this show is one smart bastard." The Americans Generals, and some soldiers respected the japanese's tenacity and spirit to fight to the deaths. They also respected, in this case, General Kuribayashi's ingenious defensive layout and conservative, slugging strategy prolonged the battle and maximized casualties. Its a shame he left the face of the earth.
Regardless of all the racist comments, this battle was historically accurate. There are good humans on both sides of the battle. Whether it was Nazis, or Japs, there are good individuals that lived and died in battle. End the wars, end the hate
You're completely right. Japan couldn't understand the world tide after World War I as "Breakaway from colony management by imperialism" "Colony independence by racial self-determination".
"And nowadays the US is in another war, and critics have drawn parallels." What fucking bullshit. I like how my Sgt. Major put it. Men were dying by the thousands. They were slaughtered off those amtracs. Warriors, soldiers, air men, and sailors are fighting just as hard today, but they have advances in technology and tactics to better help save their lives. We should be so blessed. The casualty rate has dropped significantly. That means more and more families being reunited. I do not see how anyone can draw parallels. These were two different chapters in history. Different objectives, different reasons, and different accomplishments. How they say it and the images they display with it only portrays some ostentatious, outlandish, and insulting bullhockeypoopey. Also, I like how they are so vague. Which conflict are they speaking out against? Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom? One was to dismantle a dictator, another to suppress terrorists that threatened the world as well as their own country.
Okinawa was 3 times in casualties. The memorial has currently 240,000 names of US, and Japanese Troops and civilians. Okinawa is part of the 5 island chains of Japan and sovereign land. Iwo Jima was a Japanese possession and to this today is uninhabited after the war.
Dear dreamerofthesoupoftheday, er, that's humour, without it, things are well, humourless. Meanwhile, I do appreciate the effort ya put into ya posts. But we're simple folk in Dogpatch, proud but infested. We don't need no city folks comin & tossin round their high falutin 'Logical Fallacies'. Klute, get the tar & feathers!
In my understanding, that explanation is closest to the mark. It was sheer tactics: they had no supply lines and therefore no hope of more ammunition. Every shot had to count, and even then, there was no chance of them winning.
@horeslayer regarding the second sino-japanese war, I guess it depended on the soldiers. The Nanjing Incident shows there was a lot of dickishness, and some of that came from officers ("three alls" policy in northern China). Not to mention other things.
And what do you think it is that Turned the tide agnist Japan the Battle of the Coral Sea Midway Failing to Brake British Forces in india or Chinese in China ??
The Filipino-American War of 1899-1902 was referred to as “the first Vietnam,” the death of 1.4 million Filipinos has been usually accounted for as either collateral damage or victims of insurrection against the imperial authority of the United States. The first Filipino scholar to make a thorough documentation of the carnage is the late Luzviminda Francisco in her contribution to The Philippines: The End of An Illusion (London, 1973).
@tatianaf1000 Helped is a key word here. The Japanese were still largely the ones who carried it out. Does that mean that every Japanese soldier knew about this across the front? Of course not. Did the Japanese military leadership still sanction this massacre? Absolutely.
It should be noted, throughout the Korean War, ... Tokyo was considered a destination for R&R. ... 5 years after dropping two atomic bombs, the U.S. was at war again, with the newly proclaimed - 4 year old People's Republic of China. ... A poor country that lacked advanced military resources.... MacArthur underestimated the opposition in Korea just as he had the Japanese during WWII. ... That is, until they were pushed back to where the Korean War began - the 38th Parallel .... We're still learning that old lesson: Never underestimate the other side - no matter how poor.
@CSATexan when did I say that? War itself is a crime. But it's funny how the victors write the history. Why were the allies so good? the "heros" were not that much better than the "evil" axis.
The film was excellent. It is important to remember and reflect on the struggle and ordeal of the average infantry soldier, regardless of the side they fight on, and to recognize most soldiers inherent humanity. One thing cannot be quibbled about however: the brutish, racist evil that fueled Japanese imperialism. At their height, they were murdering 20,000 civilians a week. Atrocities on both sides? Yes, absolutely. Comparable in size, scope and degree of inhumanity? Not even close.
well something about that america cut off the oil or stopped sharing oil to japan and it was very precious to them so they started a war but i dont know actually because im finnish so i know more about the winter war :D
the problem was the great posibility of a soviet invasion of Japan, the operation August Storm wiped out the japan forces in china, the soviet forces were suposed to land in hokkaido a month after the operation downfall (US invasion of japan's main islands)
I really respect that Clint Eastwood, for someone of his age, made the effort to understand both sides of the conflict and not just the American one.
Mr Clint Eastwood, the last true american, true actor and a true gentleman out of a filthy place called Hollywood, with talent poring everywhere ,
Clint Eastwood is my favourite director. Thank you for showing both sides of the battle.
i have so much respect for Clint Eastwood. The man sees things for what they really are. "it boils down to young men being sent off to end their lives prematurely, no matter what side your on". which brings me to the statement of "in war there is no victor" PERIOD.
Any movie that allows the viewer to feel compassion for our so-called "enemies" is a gift.
The fact that this movie was so well done makes it all the more powerful.
Class film!
One of the best war films ever!
It gets across a different culture and point of point of view to an american audience which is no bad thing.
By the end of this film you have a profound respect for the normal Japanese soldiers and indeed soldiers of any nation.
I really like how he put scenes from flags of our fathers in Letters, really lets us know that its all clint eastwood, great movies both of them.
BTW, everybody, today, as I type this comment, it is the date of the flag raising over Mt. Suribachi, pray with me, and lets honor the souls of those that lost their lives on that Island.
arigato... my grandfather died in WWII, defending Japan for us to live and i am proud of them. thank you for clearing the names of my ancestors. (bow and respect)
RIP on both sides !!!
The Japanese were great soldiers and I respect them...And I love them and there style of fighting like the mighty Samurai!!!
You can always talk to vets in your locality, as they are now mostly, well, getting on and would appreciate people showing them appreciation for their service:-)
i loved this movie it took me a while to find it but when i did i wasn't surprised it was going to be amazing.
Respect from Sweden!
Nice movie! I love it!
My Dad survivied this war. Dad was left unconscience on Iwo Jima. He always felt guilty since he was knocked out and left behind. We never knew this until his funeral in 1990. If you're ashamed...LEAVE! I LOVE MY DAD and his comrades. I've lost several other Veterans. My life is incomplete having lost these brave victims! Live with what we have become and accept it or find another country and embrace it!
Be sure to give us a 2021 update ... And also, please disclose which reservation you came off of.
Maybe we do suck. I've been away from my homeland for so long. But I'm sure there are plenty of things we do wrong.
I got to talk to some of the war vets through my job here in the UK(I'm a nurse), and I have to say the graciousness of those vets, I shall never forget. They are most humble about their courage and bravary they showed all those years ago. Really, I cant help but admire them. I feel lucky to have met them.
This and Der Untergang are my favorite movies.
I would love to talk to japanese war vets too-and hear their side of story.
I find watching this film almost too emotional. I just cry,you know.
About 16 years ago I had couple of letters from baron Nishi's son telling me a bit about his dad. This film brough back a lot of memories of how I felt, when I read those letters.
I loved this movie!
This is unlike the typical Spielberg epics of 'Saving Private Ryan' that only exist to highlight the brutality and savagery of all war. Instead, Eastwood's approach is incredibly original and more builds itself on the foundation of its characters rather than actual battle.
It is sad to think that such a fine piece of work is underrated heavily considering its improvement from 'Flags of our Fathers'. One of the best I've seen.
I loved this movie, it's the best! muy bien gracias
These are two films that SHOULD have won best picture hands down. Instead we got... what? I can't even remember.
Ah thank you
man, before i die, clint eastwood n ken watanabe r one of the few ppl i wanna meet.
Cant wait to go see thsi movie, finally a movie telling the story as near the truth it was
May clint eastwood live forever!
victories and massacres are far more memorable than simple defeats.
@RDKF13 I felt that Flags of Our Fathers was a bit difficult to follow because it would go from Iwo Jima to after and back to Iwo Jima.
Nobody should make fun of Iwo Jima. More than 40,000 young men were killed or injured in total. In the United States, people remember Iwo Jima as it was one of the biggest battles in U.S. navy history. However, apparantly in Japan, not many people remember it. In my class, a lot of people thought Iwo Jima was a person until I told them. We should be less ignorant about the past, and never forget about the battle.
One of the best movies ever made much better then Flag of our fathers and i felt more for japanese then i did for americans.
Wonderful movie, Not alot of movies I know that portays the enemy's point of view.
that is something else, dude. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeed is good stuff!
Out of 20 000 Japanese defenders, only 200 of them survived. It's a tragedy.
No it’s not. They should have surrendered.
His movie Grantrino is also great movie!!!
best movie ever
@caroln1858 Didnt you watch the video? Clint made a movie first on the american side and then a movie on the other side, japan. it show the humanity of the two sides and the inhumanity of the war
Nice Movie Sir
thanks! tell that to those who lost husbands, sons and fathers! they'd appreciate your high-handed and self-righteous comments very much!
Dear ohrian, he's great, eh? I really liked Play Misty fo me, High Plains Drifter, Bridges a Madison County & Dirty Harry. The Unforgiven is wonderfully bleak. I always wanted hair like Eastwood. Clint said to Jim Carey, "I used to have hair like yours!"
He's a very talented guy, isn't he? Ta for this post.
Blassed by fire ^^
@SaunaFinland true my friend nut their all movies you never know how it really was .
Because humanity is not meant to last...
the theme song is sad... but glad we fought a formidable opponent
Emperor didnt know what Tojo was doing.
He wasnt coward he was brave man who knew that Japan has to surrender.
Forever Hirohito R.I.P
clin eastwood is a gread director....
@soulleskill
no it was flags from our fathers
GRAN TORINO Clint Eastwood what a great guy
ah, i did not see your post and commented above ). these were main reasons, along some others of course
My Father was in World War II. He was in the Navy Air Corps. They treated the Japanese Detainees very well. They gave them the food to prepare the way they wanted it, and they gave them whatever was needed to sustain them. They never tortured them. Wish I could say the same for the Japanese to our American Soldiers. Yes, war is a terrible thing. War is a punishment for sin. Man's inhumanity to man is due to a flawed soul! Let the Japanese make their own film.
I saw the movie it was very bloody
Yeah, you're right. flags of our fathers was good, but it had some flaws and was a bit messy in areas. letters from iwo jima was better
@420Guitar420 Would you rate it as highly as missing in action 2?
This movie and Flags of our Fathers were filmed at the same time right? The beach attack looked familiar I think its from Flags of our Fathers.......
This is way better than Flags of Our Fathers. Letters of Iwo Jima made an impact on me, whereas Flags of Our Fathers in my opinion just was a war movie among others.
I guess its the cultural differences. Americans just attack a place with totally overpowered forces and cry, when 10 of their own die. The Japanese were blown to pieces, but many of them just fought on.
Then again, mabye I see resemblance between this war and the Winter war and thus cheer for the Japanese in this movie...
In the words of Holland "Howling Mad" Smith: "I don't know who he is, but the Japanese General running this show is one smart bastard." The Americans Generals, and some soldiers respected the japanese's tenacity and spirit to fight to the deaths. They also respected, in this case, General Kuribayashi's ingenious defensive layout and conservative, slugging strategy prolonged the battle and maximized casualties. Its a shame he left the face of the earth.
Regardless of all the racist comments, this battle was historically accurate. There are good humans on both sides of the battle. Whether it was Nazis, or Japs, there are good individuals that lived and died in battle. End the wars, end the hate
@420Guitar420 Definately dude. It was much better than The Departed. It was ridiculously better. Thumbs up.
were did they film this?
esspecialy the mt. sarabachtin parts?
he is protos, he will be recreated!
You're completely right.
Japan couldn't understand the world tide after World War I as "Breakaway from colony management by imperialism" "Colony independence by racial self-determination".
@SaunaFinland true my friend but their all movies you never know how it really was .
i think Clint is a little proud, you can hear that.
is the other called flags from iwo jima?
@Redtrooper2 What monsters?
@420Guitar420 they should make a version of this but in Iraq, from both perspectives.
Japan Imperial Army were among the bravest fighters to scarce the earth...they fought to the very end.....
Viva Japón!!!!
@420Guitar420 i agree.. but i dont actually believe in awards,, you dont need an award just to know theyre good, it's an awesome movie
"And nowadays the US is in another war, and critics have drawn parallels."
What fucking bullshit. I like how my Sgt. Major put it.
Men were dying by the thousands. They were slaughtered off those amtracs.
Warriors, soldiers, air men, and sailors are fighting just as hard today, but they have advances in technology and tactics to better help save their lives. We should be so blessed. The casualty rate has dropped significantly. That means more and more families being reunited. I do not see how anyone can draw parallels. These were two different chapters in history. Different objectives, different reasons, and different accomplishments.
How they say it and the images they display with it only portrays some ostentatious, outlandish, and insulting bullhockeypoopey.
Also, I like how they are so vague. Which conflict are they speaking out against?
Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom?
One was to dismantle a dictator, another to suppress terrorists that threatened the world as well as their own country.
Okinawa was 3 times in casualties. The memorial has currently 240,000 names of US, and Japanese Troops and civilians. Okinawa is part of the 5 island chains of Japan and sovereign land.
Iwo Jima was a Japanese possession and to this today is uninhabited after the war.
letters was much better than flags because it was actually about the conflict instead of about the selling bond
Dear dreamerofthesoupoftheday, er, that's humour, without it, things are well, humourless. Meanwhile, I do appreciate the effort ya put into ya posts. But we're simple folk in Dogpatch, proud but infested. We don't need no city folks comin & tossin round their high falutin 'Logical Fallacies'. Klute, get the tar & feathers!
In my understanding, that explanation is closest to the mark. It was sheer tactics: they had no supply lines and therefore no hope of more ammunition. Every shot had to count, and even then, there was no chance of them winning.
I've read a few of your comments but you're fucking funny.
OK GOOD
every body in world war 2 was brave and storgest and some are weekly war mean be storg and rights
You mean to Japan?, Alex?
Oh yes? in what way do we suck? do tell me, I'm interested in your opinion, as I havent lived in japan for 15 years now.
Dear minqlanilla2007 & a half, have I heard of the cat bomb? Did you ever hear about this horse that goes into a bar?
@horeslayer
regarding the second sino-japanese war, I guess it depended on the soldiers. The Nanjing Incident shows there was a lot of dickishness, and some of that came from officers ("three alls" policy in northern China). Not to mention other things.
And what do you think it is that Turned the tide agnist Japan the Battle of the Coral Sea Midway Failing to Brake British Forces in india or Chinese in China ??
The Filipino-American War of 1899-1902 was referred to as “the first Vietnam,”
the death of 1.4 million Filipinos has been usually accounted for as either collateral damage or victims of insurrection against the imperial authority of the United States. The first Filipino scholar to make a thorough documentation of the carnage is the late Luzviminda Francisco in her contribution to The Philippines: The End of An Illusion (London, 1973).
Nearly... from 20.703 Japanese defenders only 216 survived.
(24.480 American casulties...)
I have my own weapons and am prepared
ohh i c...kinda smart
@420Guitar420 No I asked which was the most bloody war the US fought in not had the US fought in that war.
@ryanalan29 gran torino was amazing
@tatianaf1000 Helped is a key word here. The Japanese were still largely the ones who carried it out. Does that mean that every Japanese soldier knew about this across the front? Of course not. Did the Japanese military leadership still sanction this massacre? Absolutely.
It's a shame we glorify hideous monsters. We should bury and forget those men rather than give them pride and respect. They don't deserve it.
It should be noted, throughout the Korean War, ... Tokyo was considered a destination for R&R. ... 5 years after dropping two atomic bombs, the U.S. was at war again, with the newly proclaimed - 4 year old People's Republic of China. ... A poor country that lacked advanced military resources.... MacArthur underestimated the opposition in Korea just as he had the Japanese during WWII. ... That is, until they were pushed back to where the Korean War began - the 38th Parallel .... We're still learning that old lesson: Never underestimate the other side - no matter how poor.
@CSATexan when did I say that? War itself is a crime. But it's funny how the victors write the history. Why were the allies so good? the "heros" were not that much better than the "evil" axis.
@420Guitar420 Yes I do Know that you just anwsered two questions I did not ask
The film was excellent. It is important to remember and reflect on the struggle and ordeal of the average infantry soldier, regardless of the side they fight on, and to recognize most soldiers inherent humanity. One thing cannot be quibbled about however: the brutish, racist evil that fueled Japanese imperialism. At their height, they were murdering 20,000 civilians a week. Atrocities on both sides? Yes, absolutely. Comparable in size, scope and degree of inhumanity? Not even close.
well something about that america cut off the oil or stopped sharing oil to japan and it was very precious to them so they started a war but i dont know actually because im finnish so i know more about the winter war :D
@TalonMercenary ya sure we did clearly japan didn't cover it up
Dear minqlanilla2007, Nope, but can I get it in plaid? Pow! Kapow! Zappo! Boff!
thats why u cant surrender. You have to fight to the death. And i do not want to suicide with a gernade under my stomach.
was Japan holding our hands in WW2? or stepping on us with their boot?
the problem was the great posibility of a soviet invasion of Japan, the operation August Storm wiped out the japan forces in china, the soviet forces were suposed to land in hokkaido a month after the operation downfall (US invasion of japan's main islands)