📌MINOR CORRECTION - Today I learned in English there's a difference between step-brothers and half-brothers haha. I said Zeke and Eren are step-brothers, but they're actually half-brothers. In Latvian it's the same thing, so that's just a language error on my part. 😅
In English, a step brother or sister is if your parents separate, and then get together with someone who already has their own kids that the first child is no relation to. Also also, what Latvians think is happening in those videos where a step sister gets their head stuck in a washing machine must be WAY worse than it is for us.
he's called the owl because they are silent hunters. their feathers produce no noise while flapping. hunter, jaeger, feathers, wings of freedom, continuous bird theme throughout the show, and the silence reflecting how kruger was a spy
One detail you may have missed or are just saving for later the blond haired man on the wall next to Grisha who is pushed off the wall is Falcos uncle who is why Colt was forced to join the warrior program
"When your Justice is hingent on a belief, you're in a very shaky ground"- Koroto my man casually dropped one of the most hard hitting statement in a retrospective video
I remember showing this episode to my german girlfriend for the first time, it was funny Her: "Sam... Why are they wearing armbands?" me: oh uh... no reason
as a german let me recommend telling her that its just a famous accessory a lot of people wore way back and when she finds out what its about you got something to laugh about
I've accidentally read some comic spoilers in the YT comments before even Annie was a known Titan Shifter (if I recall correctly). Somebody described the story of AOT basically as German history before 1945.
What I loved about the Gross scene was how he stares through the camera, directly at the viewer. He was talking to Grisha but it was also a direct challenge to the viewer and how we have been doing the same as him when watching this show.
Yup, I think that was very much directed at the audience. Talking about the appeal of violence in a show with so much violence is waaaay too on the nose 😅
The titles of Episode 2 and 57 are actually different. While in English there is only "that", Japanese (like many other languages) uses more words in its place. Episode 2 is titled Sono Hi and 57 is titled Ano Hi. While quite similar, Ano Hi refers to a day that's further in the past than Sono Hi.
Basically Ano Hi is something more so is generally use to in like Fairy tales or historical recallings, while Sono Hi is usually used in a context where the one speaking is recalling an event that happened personally to them.
More fun facts, when Eren wakes up screaming, he speaks using "watashi" (Grisha's way of saying I) instead of his usual "ore". That's the thing Mikasa and Armin comment on. He's talking like Grisha, but because the others only hear "watashi" (which can also be feminine) they are very confused
watashi isn't really "feminine", it is actually neutral and is the most commonly use to call oneself irl. you probably have some misconceptions since you mostly consume "shonen" and male centric story where author will reflect on their demographics so they end up utilizing more of the "ore", "boku" wording to emphasis on the "shonen" vibe of the story. Because irl using Ore in most cases is that the user of it is trying to present himself in a more "manly" manner. Or it may be just that specific person more talks in a more "casual" manner.
@@Snzn_7 Fair fair. I know it's a neutral, if slightly formal way of saying "I". Though still the comment Mikasa and Armin are making is about the pronoun. I forget if they specifically call it "female" or if the subs I watched translated it into something like "I thought I heard a girl talking" or something like that. But I remember it being brought up
Dina revealed as the Smiling Titan is so fricking twisted. My personal favourite plot-twist in the entire series, had me with my jaw literally dropped.
The parabole between Serbian and Croatian for the same language spoken but written differently is spot on. Can't really give an example because our language is unique in a sense that every letter has a single voice so you read it exactly as it is written. I guess I could go with this: Српско-Хрватски Srpsko-Hrvatski Most Croats won't understand the Cyrillic letter but every Serb will understand both letters.
Also interesting thing about Paradise as Madagascar. It's obvious that Marly treat Eldians on the continent as Germany treated Jews in that period of 1933-45 and there was also "The Madagascar plan" - plan to move Jews from Europe to Madagascar. So i think "Paradise=Madagascar" kinda makes sense with this parallel.
it was pretty obvious Falco was gonna be a bird with that name too. There's a lot of subtle creative writing in a lot of anime but other times, not so much lol.
@@SA80TAGEIt was not obvious at all. It was a nice nod in hindsight, but not obvious at all. None of the shifters have names associated with their Titans. If that was the case, this would have been obvious for the name Falco.
@enoyna1001 mate.... Erens last name is Yeager... also spelled Jeager.... and what is a Titan if not a giant flesh-mech with a pilot.... like a Jaeger in any mech anime (or Pacific Rim). The Attack Titan = Bio-Gundam Like I said.... It's not ALWAYS subtle.
it still would've, it just would've played out differently. Kruger still has the attack Titan whether he meets Grisha or not, he just probably would've given it to someone else.
Honestly the way isayama writes the story is a little dumb in a way, because the opresses eldian race is supposed to be a methaphor for irl opressed races, but the thing is that the eldians unlike the jews for example turn into 15 meter monsters that kill people.
@@Bandog23 Except they literally don't, that happens when they're forcibly injected or transformed by the founder. Aka kings/dictators forcing their subjects to commit atrocities etc. it's not completely literal.
So, the people that do the King math are wrong because the logic is wrong. King's can reign for more or less then 13 years. Being a Titan doesn't make you immortal, and you don't have to be a titan to be the king. Whilst its likely the majority were, its entirely plausible that there would be several that chose not to take the titan and allow a trusted family member to hold the titan, allowing them to reign for longer then 13 years.
Interesting note: while both episodes 2 and 57’s translations are ‘that day’, there is a distinction in the Japanese titles. Episode two is called その日、(sono hi) while episode 57 is called あの日 (ano hi). Sono means that the object in question is close to the listener, but distant from the speaker, while ano means that the object is distant from both parties. This is probably because the narrative is being told *by* Armin, who lived through episode two. It’s not really philosophically important to the narrative, but an interesting note for non-Japanese speakers nonetheless.
One thing I never really got was that Marley turned Ymir into a titan after she said the kings blood flowed through her but kruger stopped Marley from learning about dina’s and zeke’s royal blood so did they have a way to prove royal blood
They also killed almost the entire royal family that remained on the main land, so I think it’s safe to say Marley didn’t know the practical significance of royal blood back then. Hell, they didn’t even know what abilities it could give someone (otherwise they’d immediately catch onto Zeke), and I’m not sure they even knew it was needed to use the founder.
35:55 I think we do see it once before and once later. The battle for shiganshina likely had some of zekes titans change to small 2-3 meter titans and a very specific amount to 15 meter titans. Later during the fort Slava bombardment we don't seem to see small titans. All of them appear to be similar size. Whether this is written to be tactical (so they could reach up high enough) or just ease of animation, I think you could make a point for both
Grass' monologue is delivered while staring straight at the camera. He's directly telling the audience that he finds the cruelty interesting which is exactly the same for the audience. We don't find it fun in the sense that we didn't make the cruelty that is in the story of Attack on Titan but we're glad it's there. We would find the story uninteresting without it. And then as to prove his point, Kruger pushes him below and we get to enjoy him getting eaten alive by a titan.
Another interesting detail I noticed is, that in 16:10 only the titans which Marley owned were portrayed. That shows that they have a closer connection to these titans than the other. They may not even want the marlian and eldian public to know that the founding and attack titans exist.
That crazy part about AoT is you can let someone watch the show from start before this reveal and I’ll say it’s already top tier anime. And this reveal is just the start of the crazy shit. Damnnn bro
Holy hell did this ep change my view of this show, which also makes it the beginning of the show changing my views on life in general (yeah I know how that sounds, dw).
there's always shows that can change a persons perspective on life and/or war, for me it was Space Above and Beyond.... well ahead of it's time, in dire need of a modern reboot.
Koroto always brings the heat. I don't often get excited about RUclips videos, but i get hyped when i see that my boi has posted a video yapping about aot. Top tier content
When Eren screams after seeing Dina get turned into the smiling titan, he says, in Japanese: 'koko wa... watashi wa... naze?', which translates to: 'where (am I)... I (am)... what?' Which doesn't sound that weird when just waking up from a nightmarish memory dream. But he said: 'watashi', while he usually says 'ore'. Both mean 'I', but the former is a maculine pronoun, and the latter is neutral and formal, though it's usually used by women in informal situations. Armin and Mikasa then noticed that he said 'watashi' and found it strange. There is no 'I'm not him' line in the Japanese version that I'm familiar with, so I wonder if this is just the dub/sub taking liberties.
I am being honest, my entire worldview is changing the more I view overanalyses of Attack on Titan. This series, along with the playlist, is the absolute human masterpiece
i believe the 2000 years is not between Ymir and Erin, its between the beginning of the story and the boy that finds the tree in the future in the epilogue
possibly, but those sorts of time frames _are_ typically rounded out to help with the flow of dialogue (and sounding a little more grandiose). Even if rounding down, "22 hundred" doesn't sound as impressive as "2 THOUSAND"
I wanted to point out that even though the translation of both titles in English is "That day", in Japanese it is using two different demostrative pronouns: sono and ano. Sono implies something far away from the speaker but close to the listener while ano implies something far away from both speaker and listener. The fall of Shiganshina episode uses sono and the reveal episode uses ano.
Thank you for recognizing how great the dub scene is with Grisha and Gross. I've rewatched that scene at least 10 times at this point. It's so messed up, but also so realistic. Thinking that it's not unlikely such a conversation could have been commonplace here in Europe, not even 100 years ago, terrifies me. It really captures the dark part of human nature which lets us dehumanize each other to the point of allowing ourselves to commit horrendous crimes against each other. While the original Japanese version is also good, something about hearing and understanding it in english fascinates and disgusts me on a whole other level
Bit of Japanese (take with a grain of salt, I'm still learning the language). Though both this ep and ep 2 are called "that day" in English, the original Japanese is slightly different. Ep 2 is called "sono hi", for "that day I'm talking about that is relatively close by" (not sure how to explain it better, someone feel free to add). This ep is called "ano hi", or "that day (further) in the past". Ep 2 is about recent history that Armin recalls, not too long ago. This ep is about a day further in the past that he doesn't recall himself, but has heard about. A more historical event. The beauty is that these two titles are obvious parallels, drawing (at least that's my interpretation) attention to the fact ep 2 was Eren's Day Where Everything Changed, whereas this ep was Grisha's. If you speak of That Day, for Eren it'd be ep 2, for Grisha it'd be this ep
Yeah, the difference between sono and ano is hard to translate in English without introducing a lot of other weird unintended connotations. I think it'd be fairly reasonable to translate them as 'That Day' and 'That Day, Back Then' or 'That Day, Long Ago.'
Somehow while watching this commentary, the parallel between Eldia and the island nation of Japan during WW2 becomes very clear. There is widespread hatred outside of their persecuted nation because of the atrocities they committed in Korea and Manchuria. There is a nuclear bomb (represented by Bertholt) that decimates their population twice. From the Japanese perspective, they are the victim - they do not understand the pain they have inflicted because they are a chosen race with a higher power (Japanese Emporer) on their side. But it is a cycle of violence that does not end. America will come and destroy them. And Attack on Titan is like this power alternate history fantasy where Japan gets an even bigger nuclear bomb, capable of destorying everyone outside their island... There is also an interesting historical parallel with the Japanese internment camps in America (who see themselves as Americans, not Japanese) who are oppressed because Americans fear them as agents of the enemy.
What I rarely see mentioned is how Gross' ideals and thought process is in a way refuted. He dies screaming in fear. He faced the cruelty of the world and will be ready when his time comes he says. But he isn't he dies like a dog. We see that no mater how right he seems to be and in a way is, he arrived at the wrong conclusion: to continue this cycle of cruelty instead of breaking away from it.
They literally answered just about every single question and theory formed up to this point, and then posted even more equally important questions and theories
30:55 native croat here, yeah it's basically the same, we have some minor differences in what we call things and stuff but if you put a serb and a croat in the same room they would be able to understand each other 99%, and we do have a seperate script, i can't read a word of cyrilic, best i can do is guess like you do with those pictograms by figuring out what letters would fit with the length of the word in latinic
Serb here, completely agree with you. The only difference is that we in Serbia also have latin writing in our language, as one of two main official writings
Crazy that this is actually a real thing! Do you know why or how they ended up using separate scripts for the same spoken language? The etymological roots of this must be crazy
@@djsquidleh9605 ...ooh boy Well the balkans is called the powderkeg of europe cuz we had a lot of wars throughout history so idk if this is correct But the main reason (that i know and that the croatian education system has thought me) is that croatia was the last country seperating the turks from the rest of christian europe while serbia and bosnia were fully indoctronated, which led to croatia being catholic and the rest of balkan bein...uhh...islamic(?)...another religion Both serbia and croatia at the time had the glagolic script but since croatia became catholic we switched to latinic script, meanwhile serbs evolved the glagolic script into the cyrilic script This is what i remember from like 5th grade croatian history and even today the history we teach in the balkans is very biased to make our countries seem more important than the other balkan countries so it may differ from what someone from serbia might know Edit: i forgot to close a column
Oh and our languages probably didn't split as much as they maybe should have cuz we later all became part of Yugoslavia which changed education to teach us all a very similar language
I love your videos so much! I swear, if my English level was more advanced and I had more free time, I would translate all the videos in this series just so that more Brazilians like me could see this masterpiece.
Amazing! And I appreciate your sentiment about the cycle of violence. I am Jewish, and I worked in Palestine this summer doing emergency aidwork. So much violence is perpetrated on people who have no control over where they are born
The "I believe it" line from Grisha was so into your face that Isayama wanted to make it clear how shallow both sides can be when it comes to what people want to believe.
I find it laughable when people say Isayama is somewhat of a WW2 japan apologist, or that he is a Japanese Fascist Nationalist. When we learn all of this, and can start making parallels of the Titans to atomic bombs (because Japanese storytelling of course), we can see that the peace vow is kind of the settlement of post world war 2 global politics. USA and the USSR had the nuclear weapons, and it meant mutually assured destruction, so we either find a way to seemingly “be at peace” or we destroy each other. The problem is that through that, we subjugate people into accepting a fate that they haven’t decided for themselves, and this in turn gives us pretty justifiable extremism. But, and here is the important part of why I think it is dumb to imply any War propaganda bs from the show, we see how some justifiable extremism builds up, without anyone wanting it, into everyone getting screwed. The show ALWAYS shows that the circle of hatred is a net negative to everyone. It was a net negative for everyone in AoT, it was a net negative for most of Europe in the 20th century, and it is a net negative today.
The show does a perfect job of showcasing the how humans have a deep capacity for cruelty against those we deem as "lesser". In the context of AoT, Marley is clearly a stand in for Nazi Germany, but the theme can be perfectly applied to many other violent conflicts: the US had set up interment camps for Japanese people, literally any conflict between Japan and China or Korea, and even today we can apply to what we see in AoT to Israel and their occupation of Gaza and the West Bank.
@18:00 I mean it could still be Madagascar if the world is flipped 180° so that Madagascar and Africa are actually in the Northern hemisphere (as long as you ignore all of how geology and physics works)
One thing about this episode I think you missed and I think it's brilliant, is that it doesn't need to waste time explaining the outside world to us. We realize it's just our world. With all its prejudice and cruelty.
One small call-out. I'm almost certain; the guy eldian they send out 1st before sending the other Titans after him to lead them away from the wall is an older relative to Colt and Falco.
Speaking on the eng dub sometimes improving the original. I REALLY love how Kruger says "Watch closely. This is how we of the Nine use our power." That being said, peak cinema however you watch it.
22:16 basically the scrapped Kale quest in Elden Ring. There's a vid showcasing it, reimplemented it and all its voicelines. It's great. Also the whole Marika, Miquella "caged deity" thing could be inspired by AoT.
This is my first time commenting on your videos even if I have been watching them for months now. I just want to say that I've been lokking forward for this video. And thanks for your work and dedication
I always interpreted the Attack Titan's powers of past/present as only affecting the person after they inherited the titan. Meaning Eren could change things on whoever has the Attack Titan at the time, but not before they inherit it. This would imply that Eren would have Grisha's memories of leaving the internment zone, thus influencing The Owl to spare him, and eventually choose Grisha as a successor. I think Grisha had free will (as much as someone living in an internment zone can) until he inherited the Attack Titan. After that, he became one of Eren/Ymir's pawns.
As someone from the Balkans, I gotta say that Serbian and Croatian are practically the same. And while they do have different official scripts, both can be used interchangeably and are taught in schools in both countries. Or at least they were. It'd be kinda sad if Serbs stopped using latin and Croats cyrillic
Eldia's king inherits the founding titan every 13 years, Karl Fritz was the 145th monarch of the Eldian Empire so 145 x 13 = 1885 years In manga chapter 2 we learn the walls were built by him 107 years ago to isolate humanity in Paradise Island Eren inherited his titan in 845 but only realized he was a titan shifter 5 years later meaning he only has 8 years left to live due to the Curse of Ymir Add them up 1885+107+8 = 2000, you get the title of the 1st episode "To you, 2000 years from now"
I don’t think the years timeline actually messes up anything. Wasn’t humanity within the walls for around 200 years therefore it would add up to around 2000 total years since the beginning of Ymir
Are we ever supposed to actually think about Kruger’s story and how he came to both possess the Attack Titan and also how he became a secret Eldian agent working on the inside of Marley? I know people have assumed that Eren basically controls all the Attack Titans throughout history in order to keep the timeline working towards his ends, but to me that feels *slightly* boring and less fun than giving the Attack Titan users their own autonomy to seek out liberation through the generations. I think we can certainly attribute *some* of Kruger’s and Grisha’s actions to Eren’s shenanigans, but that’s why I wonder where exactly do we draw that line and what might that imply for Kruger’s story before meeting Grisha.
Official writing in Serbian is Cyrillic, but everyone knows the latinic alphabet as well. Croatian is mostly like Serbian, except using the "ijekavski" dialect as "default" (as opposed to "ekavski" being most common in Serbian) and some words are different, I guess just so they can say it's a different language
There is also the issue of record keeping from 2000 years ago. It is possible that it might've not been rounded up. Then again, there can be historians that pieced the past together.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who wasn’t sure they were watching the right thing when they first show Marley. I legit checked to make sure I was on the right episode and didn’t skip one or something lol
This is just a theory, but I’ve been enlightened from this. Kruger saying Armin and Mikasa’s names is a clear indication that because Kruger chose Grisha, the loop started. This is literally the story that Grisha started at that very moment. We have never seen any interference by the future Attack Titan holders from its past holders starting from that point on. That decision by Kruger is what started it and where Eren started to tap into the past holders of the Attack Titan. Because Grisha wanted to see the plane land he met Kruger, and because Kruger chose Grisha, everything concerning with the Attack Titan’s power with Eren started happening. It’s a deep theoretical concept but was so simply executed by Isayama. Sadly, he trusted his audience too much to pick up on these overtly simple things.
To put it simply: 1. Everything before Kruger chose Grisha all happened by chance. 2. Kruger choosing Grisha is what actually started the narrative that includes the Attack Titan’s power shenanigans. This might’ve even happened when Eren was dreaming of these memories, since they didn’t really went that far back inside PATHS. 3. The loop started when Kruger passed the Attack Titan power to Grisha.
Could you possibly do a episode explaining the will of king Fritz and why his will couldn't be overcome by literally anyone. I feel like they never bothered to explain that at all.
the will of king frtiz was basically - NO ONE ON PARADISE WILL GET TO KNOW ABOUT THE OUTSIDE WORLD AND WE WONT EVER INTERFERE WHEN MARLEY COMES TO PUNISH US FOR OUR SINS i think its just a will no need to explain it since king fritz has the royal blood and also founding titan power and the rest are only inheriting his power from fritz who created the will just like government documents wills where you cant interfere or change it now that doesnt apply to eren since he ISNT ROYAL for example if zeke had inherited the founding titan instead of eren then he would have been same like frieda obeying king fritz
Love your videos and the insight into other perspectives on my favorite show that they offer. However, I feel it’s inaccurate to describe Eren as some kind of mastermind who puppeteers the previous attack titan wielders to setup his plan for the rumbling. The events of Eren’s, Grisha’s, The Owls’, and every other attack titan’s lives are predetermined, otherwise it would be impossible for attack titan wielders to possess the memories of future wielders. Their lives are as much an allegory for the inevitability of conflicts as is the entire story of AoT. Eren couldn’t have done anything differently even if he’d wanted to; if anything, he was controlled by the combined wills of Ymir and the previous attack titans rather than the reverse.
I'll go back and double check later, but if the word the bad guy on the wall uses was 面白い (omoshiroi), then it can translate as fun or interesting, so the Japanese would have conveyed a similar meaning to the English version. Given the context, it was probably closer to "fascinating" Update: yeah his line is 面白いからでしょう which could be understood in English as "Probably because it's interesting" With the way he said it, "fascinating" would be too strong of an interest, so the English version's "I just find it interesting" use of "just" helps to convey his lack of emotional investment in the same way
📌MINOR CORRECTION - Today I learned in English there's a difference between step-brothers and half-brothers haha. I said Zeke and Eren are step-brothers, but they're actually half-brothers. In Latvian it's the same thing, so that's just a language error on my part. 😅
Considering how many Americans can't speak basic English, you have nothing to worry about
YOU ARE LATVIAN???
In English, a step brother or sister is if your parents separate, and then get together with someone who already has their own kids that the first child is no relation to.
Also also, what Latvians think is happening in those videos where a step sister gets their head stuck in a washing machine must be WAY worse than it is for us.
What are you doing Step Bro 🙂
@@joshuahopkin1433 half bro*🗿
Erwin’s balls are only match by that of Eren Kruger “shows up name drops the show foreshadows everything then dies” Legend
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erwin's eternal punishment for sacrificing all those people will be people talking about his balls
I would say Willy Tybur gets to join them. Shows up, unites the world against Paradis Island, dies.
bro will not stop talking about erwin’s balls and honestly i can’t blame em
@@JohnSmith-ui9voI mean… man has some big ol marvelous bawlz💀
he's called the owl because they are silent hunters. their feathers produce no noise while flapping. hunter, jaeger, feathers, wings of freedom, continuous bird theme throughout the show, and the silence reflecting how kruger was a spy
This is brilliant I never considered this
We've got some S tier level yapping here Bois I'm so ready
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@@Koroto The marley reveal hits so fucking hard it's insane.
😂😂😂 I love S Tier yapping 😂😂😂
One detail you may have missed or are just saving for later the blond haired man on the wall next to Grisha who is pushed off the wall is Falcos uncle who is why Colt was forced to join the warrior program
"When your Justice is hingent on a belief, you're in a very shaky ground"- Koroto
my man casually dropped one of the most hard hitting statement in a retrospective video
I remember showing this episode to my german girlfriend for the first time, it was funny
Her: "Sam... Why are they wearing armbands?"
me: oh uh... no reason
It's literally the mr incredible becoming uncanny meme, isn't it 😭
as a german let me recommend telling her that its just a famous accessory a lot of people wore way back
and when she finds out what its about you got something to laugh about
I've accidentally read some comic spoilers in the YT comments before even Annie was a known Titan Shifter (if I recall correctly). Somebody described the story of AOT basically as German history before 1945.
I’m pretty sure, German or not, everyone’s first thought was… ”they’re wearing armbands? ….no….NO….DONT TELL ME!”
@@DearSisyeah, like why even bring up she’s German lmfao, everyone has that reaction 🙄
20 minute episode,40 minute anyalysis .that's what i like about this show
What I loved about the Gross scene was how he stares through the camera, directly at the viewer. He was talking to Grisha but it was also a direct challenge to the viewer and how we have been doing the same as him when watching this show.
Yup, I think that was very much directed at the audience. Talking about the appeal of violence in a show with so much violence is waaaay too on the nose 😅
Ikr? I hated that. I felt gross. (Lol)
The best part about that is Kruger asking if it was fun to watch. Most of us celebrating Gross' violent death proved him right.
@@maintrain527 It depends, celebrating someone awful's demise is not the same as hating all marleyans etc.
I’m almost sure (if I recall correctly) that on that scene Gross says ‘omoshiroi’ which is not ‘fun’, it’s just like in the dub, ‘interesting’ 😋
The titles of Episode 2 and 57 are actually different. While in English there is only "that", Japanese (like many other languages) uses more words in its place. Episode 2 is titled Sono Hi and 57 is titled Ano Hi. While quite similar, Ano Hi refers to a day that's further in the past than Sono Hi.
Past historical tense baby...
*French enters the chat*
@@hybridviggagreek and latin enter the chat
@@platonaspapadakis7729Spanish also enters the chat
Basically Ano Hi is something more so is generally use to in like Fairy tales or historical recallings, while Sono Hi is usually used in a context where the one speaking is recalling an event that happened personally to them.
@@Snzn_7 So it's like the difference between saying, "So this one time..." and, "Once upon a time..."?
More fun facts, when Eren wakes up screaming, he speaks using "watashi" (Grisha's way of saying I) instead of his usual "ore". That's the thing Mikasa and Armin comment on. He's talking like Grisha, but because the others only hear "watashi" (which can also be feminine) they are very confused
watashi isn't really "feminine", it is actually neutral and is the most commonly use to call oneself irl.
you probably have some misconceptions since you mostly consume "shonen" and male centric story where author will reflect on their demographics so they end up utilizing more of the "ore", "boku" wording to emphasis on the "shonen" vibe of the story.
Because irl using Ore in most cases is that the user of it is trying to present himself in a more "manly" manner. Or it may be just that specific person more talks in a more "casual" manner.
@@Snzn_7 Fair fair. I know it's a neutral, if slightly formal way of saying "I". Though still the comment Mikasa and Armin are making is about the pronoun. I forget if they specifically call it "female" or if the subs I watched translated it into something like "I thought I heard a girl talking" or something like that. But I remember it being brought up
@@TazariaGaming okay, I got the context
41:31 did you ever notice that’s actually Eren on the wall talking to Grisha and not Kruger? Never realized that on my watch through. Crazy
You will also notices that he changes his sitting position, swapping between Kruger and Grisha's.
I go to hum the intro imagine my suprise when its just nature sounds 😅
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YEAH what the hell dude
@@mrstar3218 **plot/setting/tone shift alert** 👀!!
Dina revealed as the Smiling Titan is so fricking twisted. My personal favourite plot-twist in the entire series, had me with my jaw literally dropped.
The parabole between Serbian and Croatian for the same language spoken but written differently is spot on. Can't really give an example because our language is unique in a sense that every letter has a single voice so you read it exactly as it is written. I guess I could go with this:
Српско-Хрватски
Srpsko-Hrvatski
Most Croats won't understand the Cyrillic letter but every Serb will understand both letters.
yeah exactly, there are some phonetic differences that you can hear especially if you know either of the languages but it’s a pretty good example :)
Also interesting thing about Paradise as Madagascar. It's obvious that Marly treat Eldians on the continent as Germany treated Jews in that period of 1933-45 and there was also "The Madagascar plan" - plan to move Jews from Europe to Madagascar. So i think "Paradise=Madagascar" kinda makes sense with this parallel.
wow, that's crazy. They basically could have put 'based on true events' under the title with all these real world parallels
Fun fact but some native American tribes also view owls as omens of death
If Eren was the Beast Titan, he'd be a bird.
it was pretty obvious Falco was gonna be a bird with that name too. There's a lot of subtle creative writing in a lot of anime but other times, not so much lol.
@@SA80TAGEIt was not obvious at all. It was a nice nod in hindsight, but not obvious at all. None of the shifters have names associated with their Titans. If that was the case, this would have been obvious for the name Falco.
@@enoyna1001Well also the 1st thing that Falco is looking when he appears for the first time is a bird
@enoyna1001 mate.... Erens last name is Yeager... also spelled Jeager.... and what is a Titan if not a giant flesh-mech with a pilot.... like a Jaeger in any mech anime (or Pacific Rim). The Attack Titan = Bio-Gundam
Like I said.... It's not ALWAYS subtle.
Attack on Titan would've never happened if Grisha didn't leave the zone.
it still would've, it just would've played out differently. Kruger still has the attack Titan whether he meets Grisha or not, he just probably would've given it to someone else.
Marley would have attacked Paradis. and I also think The Owl would have found another person to inherit the titan.
Honestly the way isayama writes the story is a little dumb in a way, because the opresses eldian race is supposed to be a methaphor for irl opressed races, but the thing is that the eldians unlike the jews for example turn into 15 meter monsters that kill people.
Which he always would because he had Eren in his brain since birth.
@@Bandog23 Except they literally don't, that happens when they're forcibly injected or transformed by the founder. Aka kings/dictators forcing their subjects to commit atrocities etc. it's not completely literal.
So, the people that do the King math are wrong because the logic is wrong.
King's can reign for more or less then 13 years. Being a Titan doesn't make you immortal, and you don't have to be a titan to be the king. Whilst its likely the majority were, its entirely plausible that there would be several that chose not to take the titan and allow a trusted family member to hold the titan, allowing them to reign for longer then 13 years.
Interesting note: while both episodes 2 and 57’s translations are ‘that day’, there is a distinction in the Japanese titles. Episode two is called その日、(sono hi) while episode 57 is called あの日 (ano hi). Sono means that the object in question is close to the listener, but distant from the speaker, while ano means that the object is distant from both parties. This is probably because the narrative is being told *by* Armin, who lived through episode two. It’s not really philosophically important to the narrative, but an interesting note for non-Japanese speakers nonetheless.
One thing I never really got was that Marley turned Ymir into a titan after she said the kings blood flowed through her but kruger stopped Marley from learning about dina’s and zeke’s royal blood so did they have a way to prove royal blood
They also killed almost the entire royal family that remained on the main land, so I think it’s safe to say Marley didn’t know the practical significance of royal blood back then.
Hell, they didn’t even know what abilities it could give someone (otherwise they’d immediately catch onto Zeke), and I’m not sure they even knew it was needed to use the founder.
35:55 I think we do see it once before and once later. The battle for shiganshina likely had some of zekes titans change to small 2-3 meter titans and a very specific amount to 15 meter titans.
Later during the fort Slava bombardment we don't seem to see small titans. All of them appear to be similar size. Whether this is written to be tactical (so they could reach up high enough) or just ease of animation, I think you could make a point for both
Can’t believe how perfectly timed this video is
Seriously thank you thank you
Grass' monologue is delivered while staring straight at the camera. He's directly telling the audience that he finds the cruelty interesting which is exactly the same for the audience. We don't find it fun in the sense that we didn't make the cruelty that is in the story of Attack on Titan but we're glad it's there. We would find the story uninteresting without it. And then as to prove his point, Kruger pushes him below and we get to enjoy him getting eaten alive by a titan.
Ymir dates back 1820 years, but the year is 817/832/850/whatever. what could Year 0 signify?
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Based.
Another interesting detail I noticed is, that in 16:10 only the titans which Marley owned were portrayed. That shows that they have a closer connection to these titans than the other. They may not even want the marlian and eldian public to know that the founding and attack titans exist.
That crazy part about AoT is you can let someone watch the show from start before this reveal and I’ll say it’s already top tier anime. And this reveal is just the start of the crazy shit. Damnnn bro
The latvian scene in 30:29, in the middle of a serious explanation was so unexpected 😂
Holy hell did this ep change my view of this show, which also makes it the beginning of the show changing my views on life in general (yeah I know how that sounds, dw).
there's always shows that can change a persons perspective on life and/or war, for me it was Space Above and Beyond.... well ahead of it's time, in dire need of a modern reboot.
Koroto always brings the heat. I don't often get excited about RUclips videos, but i get hyped when i see that my boi has posted a video yapping about aot. Top tier content
Any day korotos uploads is a good day
When Eren screams after seeing Dina get turned into the smiling titan, he says, in Japanese: 'koko wa... watashi wa... naze?', which translates to: 'where (am I)... I (am)... what?' Which doesn't sound that weird when just waking up from a nightmarish memory dream. But he said: 'watashi', while he usually says 'ore'. Both mean 'I', but the former is a maculine pronoun, and the latter is neutral and formal, though it's usually used by women in informal situations. Armin and Mikasa then noticed that he said 'watashi' and found it strange. There is no 'I'm not him' line in the Japanese version that I'm familiar with, so I wonder if this is just the dub/sub taking liberties.
Possibly to emphasize that Eren changed perspectives, as there is nothing similar in English what Japanese does with its pronouns.
I am being honest, my entire worldview is changing the more I view overanalyses of Attack on Titan. This series, along with the playlist, is the absolute human masterpiece
i believe the 2000 years is not between Ymir and Erin, its between the beginning of the story and the boy that finds the tree in the future in the epilogue
but gabi says to kaya in s4 that eldians destroyed the world and forced them to have children for THOUSANDS OF YEARS
possibly, but those sorts of time frames _are_ typically rounded out to help with the flow of dialogue (and sounding a little more grandiose). Even if rounding down, "22 hundred" doesn't sound as impressive as "2 THOUSAND"
I wanted to point out that even though the translation of both titles in English is "That day", in Japanese it is using two different demostrative pronouns: sono and ano. Sono implies something far away from the speaker but close to the listener while ano implies something far away from both speaker and listener. The fall of Shiganshina episode uses sono and the reveal episode uses ano.
Americans will watch AoT and say “but our inhumane prison system is okay because they deserve it” without blinking an eye
aye they pretend Gitmo doesn't exist and break every human rights law in the book XD
Straight up. Not to mention Isreal Palestine
@@derpymule7977 what? I genuinely want to know what are you talking about
Yes because american feed people to people in prisons.
Prisons, wars, are way too normalized
Thank you for recognizing how great the dub scene is with Grisha and Gross.
I've rewatched that scene at least 10 times at this point. It's so messed up, but also so realistic. Thinking that it's not unlikely such a conversation could have been commonplace here in Europe, not even 100 years ago, terrifies me. It really captures the dark part of human nature which lets us dehumanize each other to the point of allowing ourselves to commit horrendous crimes against each other. While the original Japanese version is also good, something about hearing and understanding it in english fascinates and disgusts me on a whole other level
Bit of Japanese (take with a grain of salt, I'm still learning the language). Though both this ep and ep 2 are called "that day" in English, the original Japanese is slightly different. Ep 2 is called "sono hi", for "that day I'm talking about that is relatively close by" (not sure how to explain it better, someone feel free to add). This ep is called "ano hi", or "that day (further) in the past". Ep 2 is about recent history that Armin recalls, not too long ago. This ep is about a day further in the past that he doesn't recall himself, but has heard about. A more historical event. The beauty is that these two titles are obvious parallels, drawing (at least that's my interpretation) attention to the fact ep 2 was Eren's Day Where Everything Changed, whereas this ep was Grisha's. If you speak of That Day, for Eren it'd be ep 2, for Grisha it'd be this ep
Yeah, the difference between sono and ano is hard to translate in English without introducing a lot of other weird unintended connotations. I think it'd be fairly reasonable to translate them as 'That Day' and 'That Day, Back Then' or 'That Day, Long Ago.'
Am I the only one who gets emotional watching these because it makes me remember how I felt watching this masterpiece? It’s just so incredible 😭
Somehow while watching this commentary, the parallel between Eldia and the island nation of Japan during WW2 becomes very clear. There is widespread hatred outside of their persecuted nation because of the atrocities they committed in Korea and Manchuria. There is a nuclear bomb (represented by Bertholt) that decimates their population twice. From the Japanese perspective, they are the victim - they do not understand the pain they have inflicted because they are a chosen race with a higher power (Japanese Emporer) on their side. But it is a cycle of violence that does not end. America will come and destroy them. And Attack on Titan is like this power alternate history fantasy where Japan gets an even bigger nuclear bomb, capable of destorying everyone outside their island... There is also an interesting historical parallel with the Japanese internment camps in America (who see themselves as Americans, not Japanese) who are oppressed because Americans fear them as agents of the enemy.
insert isayama has fascistic beliefs stock comment here
@@lucqq3792it’s true
What I rarely see mentioned is how Gross' ideals and thought process is in a way refuted. He dies screaming in fear. He faced the cruelty of the world and will be ready when his time comes he says. But he isn't he dies like a dog. We see that no mater how right he seems to be and in a way is, he arrived at the wrong conclusion: to continue this cycle of cruelty instead of breaking away from it.
They literally answered just about every single question and theory formed up to this point, and then posted even more equally important questions and theories
Finally, since quality content on the internet. I've needed this today
30:55 native croat here, yeah it's basically the same, we have some minor differences in what we call things and stuff but if you put a serb and a croat in the same room they would be able to understand each other 99%, and we do have a seperate script, i can't read a word of cyrilic, best i can do is guess like you do with those pictograms by figuring out what letters would fit with the length of the word in latinic
Just learn the cyrillic alphabet. Boom, you became a serb.
Serb here, completely agree with you. The only difference is that we in Serbia also have latin writing in our language, as one of two main official writings
Crazy that this is actually a real thing! Do you know why or how they ended up using separate scripts for the same spoken language? The etymological roots of this must be crazy
@@djsquidleh9605 ...ooh boy
Well the balkans is called the powderkeg of europe cuz we had a lot of wars throughout history so idk if this is correct
But the main reason (that i know and that the croatian education system has thought me) is that croatia was the last country seperating the turks from the rest of christian europe while serbia and bosnia were fully indoctronated, which led to croatia being catholic and the rest of balkan bein...uhh...islamic(?)...another religion
Both serbia and croatia at the time had the glagolic script but since croatia became catholic we switched to latinic script, meanwhile serbs evolved the glagolic script into the cyrilic script
This is what i remember from like 5th grade croatian history and even today the history we teach in the balkans is very biased to make our countries seem more important than the other balkan countries so it may differ from what someone from serbia might know
Edit: i forgot to close a column
Oh and our languages probably didn't split as much as they maybe should have cuz we later all became part of Yugoslavia which changed education to teach us all a very similar language
My lunch break is gonna be great, this is gonna be such a banger
I love your videos so much! I swear, if my English level was more advanced and I had more free time, I would translate all the videos in this series just so that more Brazilians like me could see this masterpiece.
Thank you for doing these. It helps me with knowing it’s over forever 😭
I love the ramblings and can’t wait for the next set of ramblings!
Amazing! And I appreciate your sentiment about the cycle of violence. I am Jewish, and I worked in Palestine this summer doing emergency aidwork. So much violence is perpetrated on people who have no control over where they are born
The "I believe it" line from Grisha was so into your face that Isayama wanted to make it clear how shallow both sides can be when it comes to what people want to believe.
I find it laughable when people say Isayama is somewhat of a WW2 japan apologist, or that he is a Japanese Fascist Nationalist.
When we learn all of this, and can start making parallels of the Titans to atomic bombs (because Japanese storytelling of course), we can see that the peace vow is kind of the settlement of post world war 2 global politics. USA and the USSR had the nuclear weapons, and it meant mutually assured destruction, so we either find a way to seemingly “be at peace” or we destroy each other. The problem is that through that, we subjugate people into accepting a fate that they haven’t decided for themselves, and this in turn gives us pretty justifiable extremism. But, and here is the important part of why I think it is dumb to imply any War propaganda bs from the show, we see how some justifiable extremism builds up, without anyone wanting it, into everyone getting screwed. The show ALWAYS shows that the circle of hatred is a net negative to everyone. It was a net negative for everyone in AoT, it was a net negative for most of Europe in the 20th century, and it is a net negative today.
Such an excellent series, I can't thank you enough for it!!! I love the job your doing here!!! 😁
The show does a perfect job of showcasing the how humans have a deep capacity for cruelty against those we deem as "lesser". In the context of AoT, Marley is clearly a stand in for Nazi Germany, but the theme can be perfectly applied to many other violent conflicts: the US had set up interment camps for Japanese people, literally any conflict between Japan and China or Korea, and even today we can apply to what we see in AoT to Israel and their occupation of Gaza and the West Bank.
@18:00 I mean it could still be Madagascar if the world is flipped 180° so that Madagascar and Africa are actually in the Northern hemisphere (as long as you ignore all of how geology and physics works)
Season 2 ED is the true MVP of this episode for making the animators' lives a bit easier.
One thing about this episode I think you missed and I think it's brilliant, is that it doesn't need to waste time explaining the outside world to us. We realize it's just our world. With all its prejudice and cruelty.
Perfect timing. I’m showing my roommate aot for the first time and we JUST finished this episode yesterday.
Using serbo-croatian as the example for aot languages is well fitting😂
Yo i love this series take your time if its too much, you're so detailed and interesting in your analysis
OVERANALYZING DROPPED ON MY LUNCH BREAK LETS GO
One small call-out.
I'm almost certain; the guy eldian they send out 1st before sending the other Titans after him to lead them away from the wall is an older relative to Colt and Falco.
Speaking on the eng dub sometimes improving the original. I REALLY love how Kruger says "Watch closely. This is how we of the Nine use our power." That being said, peak cinema however you watch it.
This is the episode that cemented Attack on Titan as the greatest show in history.
the lack of jumpscare at the beginning jumpscared me
The intro caught me off guard
You've subverted my expectations
22:16 basically the scrapped Kale quest in Elden Ring. There's a vid showcasing it, reimplemented it and all its voicelines. It's great.
Also the whole Marika, Miquella "caged deity" thing could be inspired by AoT.
This is my first time commenting on your videos even if I have been watching them for months now. I just want to say that I've been lokking forward for this video. And thanks for your work and dedication
33:13 the moment all Eren stans need to see... he is, indeed... not him
I got some food and a new retrospective overanalysis dropped? This is a sign from god
I always interpreted the Attack Titan's powers of past/present as only affecting the person after they inherited the titan. Meaning Eren could change things on whoever has the Attack Titan at the time, but not before they inherit it. This would imply that Eren would have Grisha's memories of leaving the internment zone, thus influencing The Owl to spare him, and eventually choose Grisha as a successor. I think Grisha had free will (as much as someone living in an internment zone can) until he inherited the Attack Titan. After that, he became one of Eren/Ymir's pawns.
As someone from the Balkans, I gotta say that Serbian and Croatian are practically the same. And while they do have different official scripts, both can be used interchangeably and are taught in schools in both countries. Or at least they were. It'd be kinda sad if Serbs stopped using latin and Croats cyrillic
You mentioned viking lore but I don't think I've heard you mention ancient Greek lore in your videos.
Prometheus. Titans. Paradise.
im watching this series closely, very good to have my lunch with. keep uploading please!
I didn’t know you just posted this but you explained this perfectly !
Eldia's king inherits the founding titan every 13 years, Karl Fritz was the 145th monarch of the Eldian Empire so 145 x 13 = 1885 years
In manga chapter 2 we learn the walls were built by him 107 years ago to isolate humanity in Paradise Island
Eren inherited his titan in 845 but only realized he was a titan shifter 5 years later meaning he only has 8 years left to live due to the Curse of Ymir
Add them up 1885+107+8 = 2000, you get the title of the 1st episode "To you, 2000 years from now"
I don’t think the years timeline actually messes up anything. Wasn’t humanity within the walls for around 200 years therefore it would add up to around 2000 total years since the beginning of Ymir
Are we ever supposed to actually think about Kruger’s story and how he came to both possess the Attack Titan and also how he became a secret Eldian agent working on the inside of Marley?
I know people have assumed that Eren basically controls all the Attack Titans throughout history in order to keep the timeline working towards his ends, but to me that feels *slightly* boring and less fun than giving the Attack Titan users their own autonomy to seek out liberation through the generations. I think we can certainly attribute *some* of Kruger’s and Grisha’s actions to Eren’s shenanigans, but that’s why I wonder where exactly do we draw that line and what might that imply for Kruger’s story before meeting Grisha.
Official writing in Serbian is Cyrillic, but everyone knows the latinic alphabet as well. Croatian is mostly like Serbian, except using the "ijekavski" dialect as "default" (as opposed to "ekavski" being most common in Serbian) and some words are different, I guess just so they can say it's a different language
Thanks for making this
Korotos my GOAT welcome back
There is also the issue of record keeping from 2000 years ago. It is possible that it might've not been rounded up. Then again, there can be historians that pieced the past together.
Koroto gonna have a collection of movies to release near the end of the series.
Merch with a list of all of your "Bertholdt" name variations would be high-mid tier for sure.
I was sp interested in this episode inapmost forgot to clock back into work on my lunch break lol
for a seconds i was like whats up with the intro
I’m glad I’m not the only one who wasn’t sure they were watching the right thing when they first show Marley. I legit checked to make sure I was on the right episode and didn’t skip one or something lol
This is just a theory, but I’ve been enlightened from this. Kruger saying Armin and Mikasa’s names is a clear indication that because Kruger chose Grisha, the loop started. This is literally the story that Grisha started at that very moment. We have never seen any interference by the future Attack Titan holders from its past holders starting from that point on. That decision by Kruger is what started it and where Eren started to tap into the past holders of the Attack Titan. Because Grisha wanted to see the plane land he met Kruger, and because Kruger chose Grisha, everything concerning with the Attack Titan’s power with Eren started happening. It’s a deep theoretical concept but was so simply executed by Isayama. Sadly, he trusted his audience too much to pick up on these overtly simple things.
To put it simply:
1. Everything before Kruger chose Grisha all happened by chance.
2. Kruger choosing Grisha is what actually started the narrative that includes the Attack Titan’s power shenanigans. This might’ve even happened when Eren was dreaming of these memories, since they didn’t really went that far back inside PATHS.
3. The loop started when Kruger passed the Attack Titan power to Grisha.
Another banger 👌🏽
Side note: why the FUg did youtube give me 4 ads in 7 minutes?
I was pretty surprised about Marley I had an idea when Reiner and Bertholt pushed that guy off the roof
Could you possibly do a episode explaining the will of king Fritz and why his will couldn't be overcome by literally anyone. I feel like they never bothered to explain that at all.
the will of king frtiz was basically - NO ONE ON PARADISE WILL GET TO KNOW ABOUT THE OUTSIDE WORLD AND WE WONT EVER INTERFERE WHEN MARLEY COMES TO PUNISH US FOR OUR SINS
i think its just a will no need to explain it since king fritz has the royal blood and also founding titan power and the rest are only inheriting his power from fritz who created the will just like government documents wills where you cant interfere or change it
now that doesnt apply to eren since he ISNT ROYAL
for example if zeke had inherited the founding titan instead of eren then he would have been same like frieda obeying king fritz
Koroto great video, as usual! But I must say this one was a bit harder to enjoy due to the ads, I got a pair of them every single minute…
its here it's here it's here it's here it's here it's here it's finally time it's here it's here it's here
i loooove those long over analizing videos on snk, this is so cool to watch!!
Love your videos and the insight into other perspectives on my favorite show that they offer. However, I feel it’s inaccurate to describe Eren as some kind of mastermind who puppeteers the previous attack titan wielders to setup his plan for the rumbling. The events of Eren’s, Grisha’s, The Owls’, and every other attack titan’s lives are predetermined, otherwise it would be impossible for attack titan wielders to possess the memories of future wielders. Their lives are as much an allegory for the inevitability of conflicts as is the entire story of AoT. Eren couldn’t have done anything differently even if he’d wanted to; if anything, he was controlled by the combined wills of Ymir and the previous attack titans rather than the reverse.
Isn't it crazy that the people locked within walls were more free than the entire outside world...
thats what king frtiz meant by PARADISE
I'll go back and double check later, but if the word the bad guy on the wall uses was 面白い (omoshiroi), then it can translate as fun or interesting, so the Japanese would have conveyed a similar meaning to the English version. Given the context, it was probably closer to "fascinating"
Update: yeah his line is 面白いからでしょう which could be understood in English as "Probably because it's interesting"
With the way he said it, "fascinating" would be too strong of an interest, so the English version's "I just find it interesting" use of "just" helps to convey his lack of emotional investment in the same way
Dang dude, every video you point out like FIVE things I’ve never noticed-Santa Titan almost becoming the founder is so funny