I possessed till 91 a 12-channel studio (AKAI MG1212) and, in general, I led to your same conclusions: MX202, a little oversized midbass; M1280B, bass more neutral, clearer; SM81, tonality warmer, little bass overemphasized; SC4098, in general a good clear sound; 2011C, better than others, more natural; NT5, also better than others, all is well listened; PR30B, mid-oriented, good contender; AT4081, in general neutral and full of character, maybe mixed badly in bass. All great, indeed!!
I would prefer the NT5 or the 81 at the first positions, the DPA 4098 and the 2011 close at the 2nd. I know all this mics from my work and it depends a bit of the room you are working in and of course of the musicians themselves. Personally the Heil sounds to me a bit to "sharp". greetings from Germany. "SMPTE82" (Audio Engineer)
I like the rode. Specially cuz it is a bit narrow and you can put it in a small place with monitor speaker. I think that’s how I would use it. Maybe two mics would be needed
Great! Thanks! You think I Can use one of these mics in a room of 30m to record a educated dialogue where everyone wait for their time to speak? Thank you
I feel the audix was very clear and I liked the sound, with that bump at the top of the frequency response on the chart, I'm looking for mics for live work for a children's choir, so I want something which is clear with the least possibility of feedback, with that lift, I wonder if it will induce me to have to roll off the top to limit feedback potential. I didn't like the Heil, it was a bit empty, but some of the others sounded too wooly, too much low mid. The best mic would be the one you have to do least to. otherwise, what's the point!
Wow … that is an excellent sound. I like all the mics. However, on a small budget to start, what would you say about these -> Shure CVO-W/C Overhead Condenser Microphone with 25 Feet Cable, Cardioid - White
The only mic that gives a real natural, balanced and professional sound is the SM81. Some - for example that awful Heil - are boosting high frequencies way too much. Some - like the Audix - had very thin mids or - like the first DPA - were missing the deeper frequencies. Or - like the second DPA - had nasty peaks in the midrange.
By studio condenser do you mean a large diaphragm mic? The large diaphragm mic was made to give higher output over the noise floor, basically better signal to noise ratio. In just about all other characteristics a small diaphragm is actually superior. I found this article from Neumann helpful: www.neumann.com/homestudio/en/difference-between-large-and-small-diaphragm-microphones
I have a 10-person children's choir that sings on stage. We are looking for 1 or 2 mics to place on stands in front of them for live performances. Our budget is$400. Do you know what mics would be best bang for the price?
I talk about this in the part 2 video, but there wasn't a huge difference in gain before feedback, the NT5 probably performed best as far as GBF goes though.
I like them all. But I don't have the budget to get any of them what do you think about the Audio-Technica PRO 45 Cardioid Condenser Hanging Mic as an audience microphone for 30 people?
And do you have any reviews (or suggested videos) I could watch aout tye PRO45? Also, if you could suggest some other mics comparable to the price of the PRO45 that would be great.
Andy Acuña that would be pushing it. Two would probably be better. The decision will come down to how much volume (gain) you need to get from the choir. If you have a great room and don't need a lot of volume 1 might work. But I'd use 2 to be sure.
Take a look at 0:26 in the video for an idea. That perspective is a little weird, it looks further than it is, but it will give you an idea. The mics were positioned around where I had my "normal" hanging mic located, about 3ft above the head of the front row, 2ft forward.
sweet thanks trying to come up with a solution for a project we are working on at work the other mic we use is shure SM81 but they are $400 so was seeing if i could go cheaper. (spoiler i dont think im going to be able to go cheaper)
Good preamps definitely help. I don't think in a live environment you'd really hear the difference between the preamp on a decent mixer and a boutique preamp. Maybe in the studio.
1:10 Shure MX202
1:39 Audix M1280B-HC
2:08 Shure SM81
2:37 DPA d:screet SC4098H
3:06 DPA d:dicate 2011C
3:35 Rode NT5 C
4:04 Heil PR30B
4:34 Audio-Technica 4081
DPA 2011C totally surpass in the bass register, but are pricy too. Thanks so so useful! keep up the good work!
1:23 mx202
1:52 m1280B
2:21 sm81
2:50 sc4098
3:19 DPA 2011c
3:48 nt5
4:17 PR 30 B
4:47 at4081
I possessed till 91 a 12-channel studio (AKAI MG1212) and, in general, I led to your same conclusions: MX202, a little oversized midbass; M1280B, bass more neutral, clearer; SM81, tonality warmer, little bass overemphasized; SC4098, in general a good clear sound; 2011C, better than others, more natural; NT5, also better than others, all is well listened; PR30B, mid-oriented, good contender; AT4081, in general neutral and full of character, maybe mixed badly in bass. All great, indeed!!
That first Shure sounded better than I imagined. Had a Morricone tone to it for some reason.
You list the RODE NT5 -- but the link is for RODE NT55 which is twice the cost. Do you recommend a pair of the NT5 for choir mics?
I really couldn’t hear any difference.
Shure SM81, Rhide NT5 and AT4081. thank you for this video
1. DPA 2011C d:dicate compact Twin Diaphragm Cardioid Condenser Microphone (better words intelligibility)
2. Audio-Technica AT4081 Phantom-Powered Bidirectional Ribbon Microphone (warmer natural sound)
I would prefer the NT5 or the 81 at the first positions, the DPA 4098 and the 2011 close at the 2nd. I know all this mics from my work and it depends a bit of the room you are working in and of course of the musicians themselves. Personally the Heil sounds to me a bit to "sharp". greetings from Germany. "SMPTE82" (Audio Engineer)
I like the SM81 and the Rode NT5.
The 81 sounds best, i think most of those other mics, the upside is purely that they can be hidden away.
That was freaking awesome. Thanks for sharing. So different.
Which one is better to avoid feedback.
I like the rode. Specially cuz it is a bit narrow and you can put it in a small place with monitor speaker. I think that’s how I would use it. Maybe two mics would be needed
First and last were my favs. Nice test Steve.
Paul Searcey interesting how opinions vary all over on this. will be interesting to see which ones people choose.
Great! Thanks! You think I Can use one of these mics in a room of 30m to record a educated dialogue where everyone wait for their time to speak? Thank you
I feel the audix was very clear and I liked the sound, with that bump at the top of the frequency response on the chart, I'm looking for mics for live work for a children's choir, so I want something which is clear with the least possibility of feedback, with that lift, I wonder if it will induce me to have to roll off the top to limit feedback potential. I didn't like the Heil, it was a bit empty, but some of the others sounded too wooly, too much low mid. The best mic would be the one you have to do least to. otherwise, what's the point!
Many mics. All sound different but good :) Recording conditions is the major in this test.
Wow … that is an excellent sound. I like all the mics. However, on a small budget to start, what would you say about these -> Shure CVO-W/C Overhead Condenser Microphone with 25 Feet Cable, Cardioid - White
Can i use drum mic for the choir?
How to use that mic for choir at out door ?
Can you do a video on how to eq the mic to avoid feedback
DPA 2011C & Audix 1280B
The only mic that gives a real natural, balanced and professional sound is the SM81. Some - for example that awful Heil - are boosting high frequencies way too much. Some - like the Audix - had very thin mids or - like the first DPA - were missing the deeper frequencies. Or - like the second DPA - had nasty peaks in the midrange.
anonymusum yep my feelings too. The female vocals on the SM81 were the only time they weren’t harsh.
Shure SM81, of course
What is the difference Between studio condenser mic and live choir condenser mic?
By studio condenser do you mean a large diaphragm mic? The large diaphragm mic was made to give higher output over the noise floor, basically better signal to noise ratio. In just about all other characteristics a small diaphragm is actually superior. I found this article from Neumann helpful: www.neumann.com/homestudio/en/difference-between-large-and-small-diaphragm-microphones
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AT4081 or DPA 2011C
Both for different reasons
I have a 10-person children's choir that sings on stage. We are looking for 1 or 2 mics to place on stands in front of them for live performances. Our budget is$400. Do you know what mics would be best bang for the price?
You can get a pair of Rode NT5 for that, that's what I'd recommend.
Oktava MK012 matched pair.
The best ones in that price category imo :)
I liked the nt5 snd the 4098
Great comparison, great works. May i know which of these have better gain before feedback ? thanks.
I talk about this in the part 2 video, but there wasn't a huge difference in gain before feedback, the NT5 probably performed best as far as GBF goes though.
I liked the DPA 2011C but WAY too spendy …
I am considering the HEIL PR30B for non-phantom apps, in a noisy home studio.
Ya, I found it hard to justify the expense of the 2011 as well. Especially with the NT5 being so close.
SM81 the only one the female vocals weren’t harsh. The ribbon the worst
Shure MX202
I like them all. But I don't have the budget to get any of them what do you think about the Audio-Technica PRO 45 Cardioid Condenser Hanging Mic as an audience microphone for 30 people?
I think any mic will be better then nothing, I've used the PRO45 before, it's a decent choir mic.
@@BallastMedia Thank you very much. How do you think they compare to the Audio Technica U853r microphones as an audience mic?
And do you have any reviews (or suggested videos) I could watch aout tye PRO45? Also, if you could suggest some other mics comparable to the price of the PRO45 that would be great.
each recording was done with just 1 of the specified mics right?
WeirdGlow correct, you are only hearing one mic at a time. all mics were recorded at the same time to tracks.
wow, im still very impressed at how nothing gets really overpowered even with only 1 mic in the middle
Have you tried Beyerdynamic M201TG and Oktava MK-012?
DPA-AUDIO TECHNICA-and the last mic was better than the others
which DPA?
On budget, do you think the Rode M5 can do instead of the Rode NT5?
It should be similar, it doesn't have quite the same off axis performance, but should still work well.
@@BallastMedia thanks!
Good job!
Will two of Shure MX 202 suffice for a choir of 30 heads?
If you only plan to record, then yes.
Definitely the Audix
The M1280B, The NT5 and 2011 C
Sm 81 and that audio technica stuff is have a good sound i think
How much does youtube compress the audio bitrate?
RUclips uses 192kbps for all videos.
thenks
For a choir of 16 children, it's okay if I use one mic?
Andy Acuña that would be pushing it. Two would probably be better. The decision will come down to how much volume (gain) you need to get from the choir. If you have a great room and don't need a lot of volume 1 might work. But I'd use 2 to be sure.
Yes you can
what distance from the singers was the mic at ?
Take a look at 0:26 in the video for an idea. That perspective is a little weird, it looks further than it is, but it will give you an idea. The mics were positioned around where I had my "normal" hanging mic located, about 3ft above the head of the front row, 2ft forward.
sweet thanks trying to come up with a solution for a project we are working on at work the other mic we use is shure SM81 but they are $400 so was seeing if i could go cheaper.
(spoiler i dont think im going to be able to go cheaper)
How many percents depends on preamps not the mics?
Good preamps definitely help. I don't think in a live environment you'd really hear the difference between the preamp on a decent mixer and a boutique preamp. Maybe in the studio.
VIGO Recording Studio about 2 percent at best in this situation. Mic choice and placement and correct gain is by far more important.
Your choir does sound nice btw
Which mixer use on your church..
We've had an Allen & Heath dLive for almost 3 years now.
@@BallastMedia thank you for your post, what mic(hand held-wireless; and hands-free) would you recommend for a preacher, assume mega church
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You are welcome!
May I know the hymns title please
I Hear The Savior Say
Jesus paid It All :)
Sm 81 Shure
Shure sm81
they all sound the same on RUclips... Nice video though.
rode M5
Rode nt5