ULEZ: The Last Car Meet with WLC [West London Classics]
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
- This was West London Classic's last meet before the ULEZ expansion kicks in on Tuesday 29th August, whilst the venue for this event is just outside the M25, most of the members of WLC are based in London and a very high percentage drive non-ULEZ compliant modern classics. So what will happen to car culture in London?
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Thr fact they're bringing it in shows people are going to walk straight into their 15min city lifestyle without resistance .
This was my line in the sand, the only hope I see is vandalized cameras.
It just astounds me that one misguided individual can have such authority over millions, who have never had any say in this. I'm not selling my car. SK can go to hell! Roll on mayoral elections!
I guess you don't use your non-compliant car regularly. Commuting five days a week in a non-compliant car means on average 23 days a month at 12.50/day, totalling 287.50/month.
Big up Chip Boy and his awesome CiViC S and thanks Brown Car Guy for the video 😎
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Hopefully after next year's mayoral election,a new one who listens to the majority will give you the opportunity to hold another WLC show without holding you all to ransom. Be proud of yourself mate, you done a fantastic job covering the Ulez debate with truth and facts that clearly show up Nightmayor Khan argument for to the majority's against. Good luck to the small businesses who will clearly be worried about the Ulez impact. This was my last weekend to come to our capital city for visiting. Stuck on buses in and around Greenwich , while visiting friends!!
Undoing ULEZ once implemented will be much much much harder than preventing its implementation in the first place. I wouldn't hold your breath!
It's irreversible I'm afraid. At least it's not an outright ban.
don't forget that Boris started ULEZ and the Tories have actively pushed for the rollout of the ULEZ zones.
Looks like a great show , I just don't see people enjoying A field full of Nissan leafs in the future , it's really sad to think people have to sell up due to the daily charge of ulez .
Very Informative , Thank You
Much respect bro ❤
Shame I just got off a plane the day before hence closed eyes 😅
Cars from 1983 and before are exempt from the ULEZ are they not? Cars 40 years old plus can be listed on the Historic Register and are then exempt
I have had a Subaru Forrester (1998) since new & very attached (memories of my deceased mum & dad) using the car over the year & it is still going strong. I will never get rid of it so will have to pay the "ULEZ blood money'".
BCG. Thank you for all your efforts re.the ulez blx.
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It's a pity that someone hasn't invented a retrofit NOx filter to enable older cars to become ULEZ compliant.
I'm sure I've seen a vid where someone claimed it could be done or had been done but no attention to it was taken.
I could only see that being a benefit/use if it did not affect the economy of the vehicle. DPF’s and Catalytic converters rob the engine of efficiency, so it could be that it would end up as a zero sum gain (envronmentally) if the pollution reduced caused the driver to fill up more as a result of reduced efficiency from a filter device. Tech is evolving every day though so never say never! 😎
@@eldrl001 Remember that ULEZ only cares about NOx compliance. Nothing else! Sure, there may well be a small power loss, and maybe even increase fuel consumption a tad, but I bet if you ask people if they'd rather pay 12.50/day, which is nearly 300/month to commute 5 days/week, or nearly 400/month to use everyday, most people would surely be happy to retrofit a NOx filter.
Great video
Thanks!
I see the Mustang around Slough sometimes (weekends)
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Brown Car Guy, I have just discovered you. Thank you for your videos. I have a 95 Golf which I am on the second owner and have owned for 20+ yrs. I can not bare to part with him. It makes me so sad seeing all these beautiful cars that the owners feel they need to sell.
Seeing as Sadistic Khanage has a large following, I am wondering how many of his avid supporter's have now changed their thoughts. It would be interesting to see figures. Thank you for all you do.
Let’s hope that ulez is a complete failure along with pay by mile which will soon come. Car manufacturers remember you want us to buy your new cars in the future then get involved if we can’t afford ulez or pay by mile then we won’t be buying a new car it’s that simple
Great enjoyable content to watch,lifes to short so ill always love the older cars, .
So sad you guys are heroes very impressed with the Asian car owners that love their cars ❤
Just found out that you can't use the scrappage scheme unless the car has been registered to you to your current address (In Greater London only) since 30th January 2022 or before (NOT AFTER) - so that disqualifies a lot of us - including me and my friends car as well - absolute joke this ulez thing is and not a funny one at that.
One question that should be raised is wether the signs at the entry to the Ulez zone comply with the TSRGD (Traffic Signs Regulations and general directions) if a sign is not in this document i beleive it has no leagal standing on a public highway in the UK,.
Additionally the signs i have seen on you tube do not have the large 'C' as the congestion charge zone does how do drivers know that they have entered a zone where a charge may apply? Just to note i do not live near London but have been following this on You tube
I'm more upset for the BCG than anything else. My old Vectra's compliant.
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How is the bulkhead they usually crack?
@@bmwnasher In the Vectra? I think it was the Cavalier (Vectra A) that had that issue where the steering rack mounts. My Vectra C's got an electric steering pump mounted to the subframe. Everyone says they're junk but I love it..
@@ChrisPatrick-q6k cheers for that
Loving the Star Trek badge ;)
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Lovey classic example there, good to see some happy enthusiasts making the best of it.
Irony that i cannot use my 2010 passat cc with a CR170 diesel engine in, but my 2008 E92 M3 with a 4L V8 in it is absolutely fine RE: ULEZ compliancy, what an absolute joke.
Apart from buying a 60s or 70s classic like an E-Type, Mk2, Mustang, Escort, Capri, etc, IMO, cars from the late 80s through the early noughties are some of the most interesting. And as said, they essentially drive like modern cars. Also, the historic cars almost certainly are at the stage in their lives of needing to be restored or have been restored already, not only pushing up purchase prices, etc, but also puts them in a different category of ownership, where they are much less likely to be driven reguarly, let alone daily or several times a week. There are also few historic cars that are cheap to own, not least because they are also in general mechanically less reliable.
I think it's a real shame that iconic cars like the NSX, Maserati 3200, 205 GTi, BMW E30, which are clearly so very popular, 911 993, 996, Mk1 Boxster, etc are off many people's shopping lists simply because of ULEZ. Some of these cars would certainly be on my shopping list if not for ULEZ! I now often think about buying an American car, like the Mustang, which of course began production in the greatest year ever, for all the benefits of ownership, but there are two reasons I don't: the first being that I don't particularly want to drive an old, relatively large, LHD car around London, and the second being I'm only a luke warm fan of American cars. But if I did take the plunge and buy a yank tank, it would almost certainly be a Mustang very much like the gentleman's you spoke with at the meet.
I totally understand your thinking. BTW driving left hand drive especially around town is easy to get used to. 😉
You don't mention:
Fiat 128 Sport
Fiat 131 Mirafiori Sport
Fiat Ritmo 105, 125, 130TC Abarth
Fiat X1/9 1500 Bertone
Fiat Punto GT
Fiat Stilo 16V
Fiat Uno Turbo MK1, 2
Lancia Beta Montecalo
Lancia Beta Volumex
Lancia Beta 037 Stradale
Lancia Delta Integrale Evo
Lancia Delta S4
Lancia Thema 8/32
Alfa Romeo 155 D2
Alfa Romeo 156 SuperTouring
Alfa Romeo 156 V6
Alfa Romeo 75 V6
Alfa Romeo GTV6
Alfa Romeo GTV V6.24V
@@markbowden7238 I didn't mention many many iconic and interesting cars, just a few examples.
Out of your Italian list, the Lancia Thema 8/32, Alfa Romeo 75 V6, and 156 V6, even a 156 Twin Spark would be on my list of cars to own over many more modern cars if not for ULEZ. However, some of the cars on your list are over 40 years old, so effectively ULEZ compliant.
The thing with 90s through early noughties cars is many have ABS and airbags, drive not too dissimilarly to modern cars, and have modern reliability. They also tend to be generally better built and beter protected against corrosion.
Therefore, I don't think it's a particularly good consequence of ULEZ that many owners of such cars may now gravitate towards 70s and early 80s cars that have no safety aids whatsoever, have relatively poor braking, and are much more likely to suffer from dangerous corrosion, and don't need an MOT.
Of course, 90s through early noughties cars are almost without exception able to be driven daily if reasonably well maintained. I really don't think many people will want to daily a 70s/early 80s car. So, most people will gravitate towards more boring mid-late noughties cars. And, sadly, many perfectly good interesting cars will be scrapped, and a significant percentage of those will be scrapped for less than they're worth.
@@nigel.wcould all be symptomatic of the rise of the multipolar world (BRICS+) and the fall of the unipolar world (RBIO).
I don't know if you could call these blocs civilisations but they do exhibit some characteristics that have been echoed through all of history.
In the case of falling civilisations the strongest indicators have been:
- a cult of disinformation
- attacking itself and allies
- out of control militarism...
preceding total collapse.
Being robbed by the state en masse and being powerless to prevent it, is I'm afraid a well established pattern on these islands going back to at least the reign of Henry VIII.
The red Honda was nice, i had a mk1 nissan micra which clearly was inspired by the Honda.
That's really sad :(
Just how much cleaner are these Euro XXX (insert number) engines?
I.E. forget the reg - what numbers come out of a test rig - How much more pollutant are these classics? Likely many are close to modern standards? Use air pollution test too to check some of your friends cars?
this is the problem this caz and ulez crap will kill this type of thing , annoying yep people in charge get payed travel expenses, Khan annoys me soo dam much and the ones for caz, its the same with road tax charging you can have the same engine a year after 2000 and it will be cheaper tax, same model for caz and ulez
Wot. No empty space in Slough for next year ?
game over.......c15 cities next....homies are too far gone with drinks, drugs, s@x and rock and roll to care about anything else......game over.
Looking after old vehicles instead of throwing them away and buying new, what could be more green. Shame on you Mr. Khan. Roll on new elections.
Yes, most depressing.
Can't believe people are paying this charge mass non compliance what they going to do we have to take a stand don't wait till they have pulled your pants down
Have a question Brown Car Guy;
Are Bi-Fuel Petrol LPG fuelled cars, exempt from paying the "ULEZ" Daily Charges of £12.50, when running on LPG, Yes or No?
Or if your car has been converted to only run on LPG, is the vehicle then exempt from paying the "ULEZ" daily charges of £12.50, Yes or No?
Can you tell us Brown Car Guy, or can someone else tell us?
As we cannot get an answer from TFL, or from OZEV's, or from DVLA or from DoT, let alone from the Mayor of London Khan Office's?
No. ULEZ exemption is based on original OEM engine spec. So unless it was sold like that by the manufacturer it won’t be taken into account as I understand it.
There is a product that my company is launching, which eliminates over 99% of friction between all metalic and glass surfaces and moving parts. This is fully verified technology with dacades of university tests behind it, and No friction, means hugh increases in fuel economy and virtually no emissions at all.
Send me info when you launch it please
@BrownCarGuy Hi buddy, I will have my partner Andrew Greaves professor of journalism training from the Bower media group get in touch with you. If you have an email address? I will also put my email at the bottom of this note. He will tell you all about our cheap, simple product and show you the decades of science our product is based on. He will also explain what we have planned for ULEZ.
My expertise is government acquisition regulations and how to work within a regulatory framework and override it by coming at the regulation from above its scope of opperation and making it invalid and unenforceable by consequence. As we believe that we have found a way around the ULEZ rules as they are based on EURO 6. Our friction inhibitor significantly outperforms EURO 6 in every measurable degree on over 95% of engines. This single statement once verified via the DVLA as a retrofit solution invalidates EURO 6 by a significant degree, which invalidates the rule as being not narrow and stringent enough a regulation as the technology it authorises as meeting its standard can be modified to emit much less pollution and is currently far to poluting to be allowed on the road unmodified. This regulation is, therefore, not fit for purpose and would have to be withdrawn. This should kill ULEZ stone dead.
We believe that TFL has outsourced its few allowable exceptions to DVLA for recertification, so DVLA has the power to allow vehicles that Recertify to be removed from TFLs chargeable list. Then what happens when everyone driving anything can pass EURO 6/7/8, etc, as without our product, all current regulations can all be outperformed and proved as insufficient and therefore again not fit for the purpose that they were created for..
If you want to contact me my details are below. In the meantime, have a great weekend.
Gary.
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This ULEZ nonsense is out of Hand, happening now also up here in Glasgow, Edinburgh soon also, some nice cars at that show!.
Sadiq Khan needs to be on Putin top hit list kremlins killing machine henchmen 💯
BCG, I think we are fighting this ULEZ battle all the wrong way.
If your current MOT says that your vechicle is emission compliant to drive on UK Roads, why should we be charged to do so?
surely if someone was to submit a freedom of information request from the Ministry of Transport on the purpose of emissions testing in the UK, surely that information coul;d be used to show that all vechicles with a current MOT are emission compliant and this would contradict Khans claims that vechicles registered before 2015 are not emission compliant even if they have a current MOT and compliant emissions results in the form of a pass or fast pass certificate, furthermore When did the Ministry of Transport write to anyone to inform them that the MOT emissions results could mean your vechicle is non emission comp;liant in ULEZ zones if your vechicle is registered before 2015? they havent and that coul;d be a legal issue as it would be a change to the MOT, either your vechicle is emission compl;iant and it has poassed an MOT or it is not and it has failed the MOT, Im willing to bet that Khan does not have the authority to change this. and only the transport secretary does. Is the transport secretary aware that an MOT on a vechicle registerted before 2015 may not be valid in a London ULEZ zone because Khan has changed the validity of the MOT emissions results on a compliant vechicle charging for its use on Londons roads based upon more stringent emission standards that are not tested and only assumed based upon a vechicles age and Not an official MOT emissions test.
BOYCOTT THE RAC FOR NOT DEFENDING MOTORISTS IN THE ULEZ FIGHT - SIMON WILLIAMS SAYS JUST COUGH UP
Commuting five days a week in a non-compliant car means on average 23 days a month at 12.50/day, totalling 287.50/month. That's without using the car on your days off.
What I don't understand is the logic behind ULEZ. Surely nobody in their right mind will pay this, and surely few can afford to do so. If the logic were to get people to instead spend this amount leasing a brand new car there would be no ULEZ derived revenue. Of course, most people who regularly drive non-compliant cars can't afford to spend this amount of money to use their cars, and many of those that could afford to lease a new car don't have good enough credit to do so.
If it was really about public health then the science doesn't back ULEZ. And if it was about getting people to use public transport, and air quality poses a real threat to public health, then there would be a rapid increase in illnesses related to the very dangerous air quallity on the tube. And if Khan was really for black and brown people as he claims, he wouldn't want more black and brown people to travel on the tube and fewer white people, as he has stated. Maybe Khan is being paid by some white supremacist lobby group to get white people to use the buses and black and brown people to use the tube?
ULEZ just doesn't make sense, other than as a pretext to pay per mile and worse. And as the Government won't use its power to stop ULEZ, it must actually be in-line with its national transport policy.
What is 100% for sure is that ULEZ has nothing at all to do with air quality and/or public health!
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Getting mad in London this scheme? Thanks you God don't have this scheme In North West Manchester
Think if all the fake stunted lungs we will save
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