Absolutely love my HM x Logitech Embody in Cyan. I've had it for about 6 months now and hope to get years of use out of it. As I WFH full-time, I managed to get work to pay for it and it has more or less got rid of my back problems. I am glad I opted for the Gaming variant due to the thicker fabric. This was something I was aware of beforehand, but for me, it was a case of the fastest delivery and cheapest available at the time - as it was on sale. I did a ton of research before settling on this chair and one of my sources was your channel. Keep up the good work!
Sounds like the backrest is too upright for you. Try easing the backrest by using the back knob at the base of the backrest. This should move the backrest back, allowing you to sit in a more relaxed position. Find a sweet spot where you can sit comfortably. As you get used to the chair, I think you can try making it more upright. Had a friend who had a similar issue to you, so hope this helps.
i got mine a week ago and it feels like heaven. However, mine doesn't make any creaking sound noises while using it. Is it something that will occur over time? How is it with yours?
Hey question? Did you buy it on sale. It’s still at 1800 euro for me in the Netherlands and i heard some folk talking about a November sale. Looking to pick one up.
After 9 months my gaming embody still looks brand new. The noise has definitely lowered as it’s broken in. Hands down my favorite chair. My only complaint is I wish the arm rests pulled out more. I have really big shoulders.
Herman Miller did a silent revision though for the regular Embody adding the same sort of padding to the seat (not the backrest afaik). Gonna try out the regular one at a dealer soon as I was a bit too late for last year sale.
I have the regular Embody and it was a vast improvement for my over the Aeron, DX Racer, and other chairs I've had or tried. Since I have damage to my spine due to a life well-lived, I was surprised to find the stiff cushioning to be so comfortable. My only real complaint is also the side-side adjustment of the armrests. I like to lean on them when I have to reach for something (or deal with a mischievous cat) so I really wish they locked into place instead of the notched positions. As complaints go, that is pretty niche.
This video is completely wrong about the cushioning on the seats of the Logitech Embody and standard Embody chairs. The comparison object is chairs before 2021. The standard chair produced after 2022 has the same thickened sponge cushioning as the Logitech gaming chair.
I recently got this chair and at first I wasn't as blown away as I had hoped to be at first, however after sitting in the chair for more than just a few minutes really opened my eyes and **THEN** blew me away. I have no pains or aches whatsoever after sitting in the chair for hours on end and I don't feel the need to stretch wildly after getting up and away from my desk. It's so comfortable and cool to the touch, the armrests and noise are of no issue to me, everything is so smooth acting and the design is beyond amazing. Would definitely buy this again.
@@Led.on.RUclips Even after the hype dies down, still a way better chair than my last as well as it is leagues better than chairs at work. Comfy but firm, consistently cool and always visually pleasing 👍
Basically my perfect chair. Never used a better chair before, and I no longer experience back pain after work. Can safely say I have no plans to ever work with another chair - despite its steep price, if mine broke down without repair I would buy it again without a second thought. Also it’s worth noting that HM appears to have taken the sound complaint into account with the latest models. I bought my chair during last year’s Christmas sale and it makes 0 sound, it’s fully quiet even after actively trying to make it crease.
Interesting! This is the only reason why Im reluctant as to buying it since every review mentions the annoying sound. Return fee in sweden is about 70 friggin bucka as well so no easy way of trying…
Great video, it's always interesting to see how different a chair can be for two different people. I prefer the regular Embody over the gaming version, but the Aeron is still my chair of choice. Absolutely agree though, that in terms of gaming chairs, this is by far the best option out there. Even in terms of looks, the bucket seat ones just look so silly, despite nice colour options and stitching.
So you tried both and opted for the normal Embody? I have my normal Embody coming in soon in a few days, but I haven't tried any of them. So I'm curious what reasons you have for picking the normal Embody?
@@HayashiKaiji I've tried both in two different showrooms. What the video doesn't mention is that they've added the extra padding on the seat on the regular Embody as well, so it feels similar. I prefer the fabric on the regular Embody and it's quieter as well. However, with still creaking on the recline and me preferring the mesh on the Aeron anyway, it made me go that route. Chances are, if you like one variant, you'll like the other as well. Unless you're sensitive to noise like I am, then neither is a real option unfortunately.
I have the Haworth Fern (standard black with lumbar bubble) at work, and the Logitech Embody at home. Love both but I think the fern lumbar is underrated and I slightly prefer that.
Agreed. Ironically I've seen people on Reddit promote the leap over the Haworth fern for the exact same thing when the leap has that gap as well. Ridiculous.
@BTODtv what do you guys think of RH chairs, like the RH Logic 200/220? I never see them mentioned anywhere in these chair comparisons but always see them "recommended" in the medical world.
Got the Gaming Embody for 1200(ish) USD during their black friday sale and after sitting for many years in cheap no name chairs that eventually gave me butt and neck pain having a proper chair is so nice. Could I gotten away with a cheaper office chair? Sure but I rather spend more on a product that will likely last over the long term (I'm a person who is of the buy one, cry once mentality, if I can afford it) and black and blue look of the Embody Gaming chair has a nice gamer vibe without going overboard and the extra form on the seat and backrest sealed the deal for me.
Does the plastic pixel structure on the seat become more flexy after years of usage? The front part feels to rigid imho, but it looks more flexy when youre pressing it with your hand in this video
I haven’t had mine a long time, but from what I’ve researched and experienced, it doesn’t necessarily get much more flexible, but it will start to conform to your shape, it’ll have your butt groove. And that becomes more comfortable
Definitely going to give one of these a serious look. Stupidly I went with a racing style gaming chair about 5 years ago which never really felt comfortable. I am sure during Covid it was the prime cause of giving me thoracic back pain and chronic costocondritis I am still battling daily pain with.
Sorry to hear about that, it's unfortunate that 99% of gaming chairs are complete garbage and nothing more than heavily marketed crap. Definitely have a look at other great chairs like the Aeron, Mirra 2, Leap v2 and Fern. It all depends on your fit, so it's a good idea to have a decent selection to choose from.
I was there as well. Purchased a cheap racing chair in 2018 cuz it was the hype back then. One of the reason I did not purchase these high end chairs because it is not always available in my country, if they do, the price is almost twice. For reference, a friend of mine bought a gaming embody last december, He paid over 2k usd
Thanks so much for the review. I have a question to ask you: I work as a remote programmer and have been using an Ikea Jarvafallet chair for a few years, now thanks to your channel I realized that all this time I could have been much more comfortable... After seeing many reviews I am undecided between two models (but obviously I accept other suggestions 😁): the Steelcase Amia and the Herman Miller Embody Gaming, but there is an important clarification to make, I live in northern Italy with summer temperatures up to 35 degrees celsius (should be 95 degrees fahrenheit), and I'm someone who tends to sweat a lot in the summer. Having said that, what do you think of the choice between these two chairs? Would I die of heat with Amia? Ps: I know that there are also completely mesh chairs, but I'm not convinced of their comfort in terms of seating, based on what you've said, do you still suggest I take them into consideration?
Hey, I have no idea. but I saw this comment about the diffrence between the normal model and the gaming model 'The only other difference is that the gaming embody seat is copper infused so it takes away the heat from your body'
How do you still not know how to properly adjust the embody arms horizontally? You need to pull the arm up from below (without pressing the button for height though).
Got mine Embody gaming chair last week, pondered and really deliberate for a long time before going for it since I already have two standard version with Rhythm and Balance fabrics. I am really presently surprised since it is one of the smoothest it feels like sitting on a cushion and my only complaint is the fabric gets really warm after sitting for a while. I loved my other two standard chairs as well in terms of comfort-ability the gaming chair wins.
I just got this exact chair a couple weeks ago. I actually had both: gaming aeron and gaming embody to test and see which one I wanted to keep. I went with the embody. So far, it's the best chair I have used. I wish the armrests swung away further than they do, but this is a minor issue for me. So far - I would most certainly buy again.
@@Led.on.RUclips Still love it. I work remotely, and this is my daily work chair. It has been a great purchase for me thus far. The armrest issue I noted above really is a non-issue for me (more to do with what I was used to in my previous chair). Definitely the best chair I have used to date.
Does anyone know if there is still a difference in the seat between the gaming and a regular embody in 2023? It seems the seat has been updated but I can’t quite tell
They added more padding to the regular one somewhere beginning 2021. The only other difference is that the gaming embody seat is copper infused so it takes away the heat from your body.
See if you can try them out where you live. I tried the fern initially liking it quite a bit. Ultimately returned it and will be ordering a embody soon. Fern seat pan left my tailbone numb. Both chairs are really nice, youll need to sit in them to see what you like.
@@salut9658 I am. Received it a week ago and am very happy with it. My issue with the fern was in the seat pan, I am 6'4" and needed a deeper seat. I also didnt like the firmness of the Fern. The Embody uses a different type of support, a mix of suspension bands and foam. So far very comfy. Ill give this chair another few weeks of testing before I make a final conclusion. Dont think it will change from now. Also there might be a difference between the backs of the gaming embody vs original, in a little (?) added thickness on the gaming version. I love the original version.
I tried the Fern and there were 2 problems with it for me. The first was the wool seat. For whatever reason, it was super itchy for me and I couldn't get comfortable with it. That's likely just a personal issue though. The second issue was how hot I got in it, even with the digital knit back. As time went on, it did start to breathe a little better, but it was part of the reason I returned it. I just got the embody and haven't had either of the two issues I had with the fern. For my body type (5'11", 175lb, wider shoulders male) I have found the embody to be far more comfortable.
I bought it along with a Haworth Fern to replace my Embody. I wanted to like it but I hate the Destrier. I love the back on the Haworth and love the seat on the Embody. The Destrier is going back this weekend. The mesh is hard and it's just not a comfortable chair coming from the Embody. The seat sucks on the Haworth Fern though.
It's a shame the UK only gets the gaming Embody atm. I prefer to have a more breathable material, such as the balance fabric found on the regular Embody.
@Chris Jantzen I guess it must have been recent, since I did remember the Balance fabric model on the US website, last year. That's a real shame, since the Balance fabric had the best breathability and durability out of all fabrics.
@@hahasteven2266 yea, granted it’s still a large expense for a chair. It was about £1,000 in the UK . My back feels so much better since the purchase. I sit down for 90% of my day, so it was fairly easy to justify the cost.
I'm defiantly saving for one of these. One of the biggest pro's is the 12 year warranty over my secret lab chair's 2 year warranty. My secret lab arms get cut up because they wont go down all the way under the table. I ended up taking them off so I can scoot my chair all the way forward. Also on the secret lab, the seat tilt lock mech broke and they gave me the runaround in getting a replacement. Asking me multiple times for the same information. I just gave up on the repair process.
This was actually a selling point for me. My secretlab chair broke three times during the warranty period and finally just now outside of warranty. Secretlab was pretty awesome with repairs but if I have to buy a new chair every 3 years its going to end up costing the same as this one.
The lumbar curvature need improve , make it more curvier at the lower back . And the curve on the top back need to reduce curvature . Then it'll be perfect
tried this game for two weeks, backrest was great, but I could not sit in it for long periods of time without getting tailbone pain. not being able to adjust the lumbar which I never like was a dealbreaker. trying out the Aeron gaming typer C at the moment.
I have the Aeron C. Its the same chair they have been selling for years I guess they they just started calling it a gaming chair lol make more sales I guess. FOr me its only good for work but not for gaming when I want to lean back and relax with a rocker
Wish HMxLogi made an Embody with a headrest or just a neck rest, if not then at least have an option to add one. I have muscular dystrophy, and my neck muscle is weak af.
You say it lets you sit up in a way that normal gaming chairs don’t, but that is nonsense. The back is designed to have you leaning back with you head upright. If you try and crank the back more upright it just awkwardly pushes your shoulders forward. I agree it has a great seat, but the back is diabolical compared with other chairs like the aeron.
The Vantum probably didn't feel like a 'Herman Miller' chair because perhaps it was designed by the 'Knoll' designers that had since been acquired by "Miller-Knoll"
Vantum was developed by a full gaming team within HM's team. They even worked with local esports team + their own research department team solely targeting the gaming area to create the vantum. Even though I am not a fan of the Vantum, they did try their best on the first iteration of their 'gaming' chair.
Would also add that Knoll chairs are excellent shared-space chairs, like with Humanscale. There are good reasons why Herman Miller wanted Knoll. No clue how Vantum became the massive disappointment it is...
It's not really the design that's terrible with the vantum, it's the cost cutting at too many corners. Small seat depth to save money, regular synchro tilt to save money, cheap mesh to save money, clunky plastic mechanisms to save money. If they hadn't cut corners at every turn, it could have been a great, nice looking chair. I'd have preferred a $1500 chair, rather than a $990 chair that feels like a $500 chair. Free returns, 12 years warranty and manufacturing in the US aren't suited for cheap chairs, so it's understandable, but it's just a bad product in the end.
The backrest needs to be taller. That piece at the top of the backrest would better be used as something that folds out as a backrest extension or even a neck rest
I've had the Embody Gaming for only a week and a half but thus far am very pleased with it. It gets mixed usage among gaming, a couple days of work, and tv/movie watching on my PC. Thus far it's been very comfortable for all activities.
@Jacob I'm really happy with it! If I had to grade it, I'd give an A. I'm 5'11 225lbs and I can comfortably sit in this for 8+hrs working, gaming or whatever else I'm doing. It does creak a bit at times, but overall it's an excellent chair. The multi position lever for limiting recline is great as well. Of the 4 recline positions (with 1 being uprigh), posit 2 is perfect forceork, and 3 perfect for gaming or a,movie.
It's really reassuring to see people saying their only complaints with the chair are with the armrests, as someone who exclusively throws them down to as low as they go and sits with my stomach up against the desk. I feel like I'm sure this is exactly what I need in a chair but it's just so hard to get myself to click the button to sign over $1700 for it.
@@Cali_Sense Im saying that Herman Miller is an amazing chair that you don't need a head rest because the chair is able to support your body according to science. yep! science!
It's because the Embody has two tension adjustment mechanisms, one for the recline tension and one for the backrest tension. Pretty sure the Leap has the same setup, with the lumbar depth tension near the back of the chair.
if only the seat and back were more soft and comfortable and overall had less creaking sound, then the embody would be great. But the chair does not even feel like a 1k chair. It really feels like a scam. I send mine back, had two.. last was the logitech gaming which I thought would fix things but.. both times I wasn't really convinced. Had all the high priced chairs behind me now.. leap v2, fern, embody, aeron remastered.. nothing really convincing for LONG sessions of gaming. Either extremely pain in butt and lower back or just felt cheap. The aeron in c (as and slightly "oversized" chair for me) is the only one that were ACTAULLY comfortable, like a real hammock, if it just didn't had this frame problem.. but with this problem it doesn't seem worth it to spend that kinda money even if it was quite comfy for 2months straight with no pain, sadly. I wish HM would upgrade the aeron and find a solution with the hard frame on the seat. A cushion pad perfectly sized for the Aeron, to go all the way over the frame might be an option but I don't know.. too pricy if I have to find workarrounds because of a design flaw
It's not a design flaw, chairs like the Aeron were never designed for gaming. I use it for gaming too, but I'm not the type to sit in weird positions or fidget around, so the frame has never once bothered me in the slightest. If the frame and seat edges really bother you, I'd probably just wait for the Steelcase Karman to officially come out.
How is the Fern compared to the Embody? Looking at that or maybe a Steelcase as I just got the Embody and my tailbone/lower back definitely takes a beating. Not sure how this chair is so hyped, I really want to like it but may have to send it back too. I got the normal version and will say the build quality was impressive and had no creaks like others reported though
@@stevenyoung5210 How s the scrim foam? I did try Embody like 2 years ago (non gaming). The things I didnt like were that I felt the pixilated system in my bum and the chair maybe was too reclined for me + w the front edge tho I got use to the front edge. Did not have any tailbone issues myself tho.
@@sittkukk8278 It gradually got better and by the end of the 30 days I was used to it and don't get sore anymore. I think I would recommend the gaming version as I feel it still needs a little more padding but I liked the colour on mine, got mostly used to it, and it had a custom ordered polished aluminum base so I didn't want to return it. The polished aluminum definitely brings up the premium look up massively. Also took me a while to get used to sitting on it, I think it clicked once I tried sitting all the way back in the chair and when I saw an infographic showing the proper seating position is at 100 degrees where there is less pressure at the spine. I was used to sitting hunched over in my old crappy chair so I thought that was the right way to sit.
@@stevenyoung5210 Glad to hear it worked out for you. The gaming version is not actually available in my country unfortunately. I m in btw amia or embody atm. The 100 degree part was v interesting. Will see 👍
Honestly the only real complaints i ever had with the Embody is that weirdass armrest. I'm used to it but i don't think i'll ever be a fan. This changed nothing on that so I'm not sure i'd spend the extra money.
Is there a difference between the Herman miller Logitech and the regular Herman Miller Embody chair? They look identical in everyway except the colors they are available in.
This video is completely wrong about the fabric on the seats of the Logitech Embody and standard Embody chairs. The comparison object is chairs before 2021. The standard chair produced after 2021 has the same thickened sponge fabric as the Logitech gaming chair.
Love it and would really want to buy it but for 2k jesus christ that's a monthly salary ffs. 1k fair enough you don't buy chaires that often and it's premium but for 2k nah i don't think so
Somehow, the lower back is really extremely hart... hart plastic... which hurts... no matter how I sit , it hurts. Only when I sit so straight I'm not using the lumbar support in my lower back but I think this was not what the chair was made for :/
I think it's a damning indictment of either you guys or chair manufacturers that the best part of a thousands pounds or more doesn't get you something that one might be satisfied to call excellent. They all have flaws seemingly, so I guess you're right to judge them as you have.
I feel like taking a chair and making some color way changes and other minor changes and rebranding it as a "gaming chair" is a little disingenuous. LOL
I feel like it's more how it's spec'd. The normal embody has alot of options but the gaming embody comes with pre spec'd for the option that would be best for gaming like the sync fabric and premium casters. On top of the additional padding for longer gaming sessions. Seems genuine to me. I would rather have a great existing chair optimized for my use than them be forced to make something new and different that isn't as good (vantum). if it ain't broke don't fix it
It's a "gaming edition" of the Embody chair, not a gaming chair. The Embody probably has the most differences when compared to the regular version, unlike the Sayl and Aeron, which are purely cosmetic changes.
Didn't Haworth do the same thing with the Halo Fern, yet I don't see you calling them out for it? I personally liked that Haworth partnered up with a gaming franchise, as it's essentially what Secretcrap does but much better, because the chair doesn't suck.
The gaming colors suck… I’d love if they would just take the extra cushion and gimmick cloth design and offer it with the color combinations available on the non gaming variants.
That's what I thought... But consider this. You get 12 years of guaranteed use for HM chairs, thus split the price per year and compare it to other brands and their warranty.
Herman Miller don't believe in headrests, that's why they don't have them on any of their office chairs. You can get the Atlas headrest if you absolutely need one.
The pad is NOT thicker on the Logitech Embody, compared to the normal. They added more foam to the Embody back in february 2021. If you're going to do a In-depth review of a product like this, at least do some research .. It's hard to take this review serious, when you're comparing these 2 chairs, based on a old model (and you leave out a detail like this). Sorry, but this is why you received a dislike 👎
Yea that’s a tough one. I didn’t see anywhere on their website, price guide, pictures or videos to show this change. I also chatted with a HM rep about the 2 chairs they told me that the seat was one of the differences between the chairs. I did my best to put out the most accurate information. Aside from ordering a new Embody every month, I am not sure there is anything more I could do here. -RB
Fair enough they didn't mention the update for the regular Embody, but I'd say that's a very petty reason to not take a review seriously. If you know anything about these guys from the several reviews they've made on other chairs, you'd know that these guys are chair experts.
@@btodtv This is my input in relation to this review. You mention that the biggest difference between the normal Embody and the gaming Embody is the seat - You go on to tell how you can feel the notes on the normal Embody as opposed to the gaming Embody. That's not the case anymore, and hasn't been since February 2021 when they updated their regular Embody to add an extra layer of foam. The biggest difference between these 2 chairs is that the gaming Embody has an extra layer of copper-infused foam. There is also a difference in the fabric of the 2 chairs, but the normal Embody is available in several variants. At no point do you get around this very thing, which makes these 2 chairs different from each other. If you have used the chair intensively for 2 weeks, you should be able to tell how his experience with the seat is, compared to the normal Embody (even if it is from before the 2021 update) - Is it hot after several hours, or does the extra layer of copper work - infused foam??? Precisely because this page makes reviews of chairs, and probably also has an interest in providing useful information. Then I don't understand how the above information can be omitted. My feedback is meant to be constructive and based on what I would expect in a review of this chair, especially when it is made by someone who claims to be an expert. Use it or leave it.. And it might also have been worth mentioning that for those who are considering this chair but lack a headrest - It can be purchased via Atlas Headrest (which are former Herman Miller employees who developed it). It matches the chair 100% in terms of color and design.
But it still has more foam the gaming variant hasnt it? Also the backrest has an extra layer as well which the regular embody doesnt have? They only included and extra piece of foam in the seat for the 2021 update? So I mean that would make a difference as well.
Absolutely love my HM x Logitech Embody in Cyan. I've had it for about 6 months now and hope to get years of use out of it.
As I WFH full-time, I managed to get work to pay for it and it has more or less got rid of my back problems.
I am glad I opted for the Gaming variant due to the thicker fabric. This was something I was aware of beforehand, but for me, it was a case of the fastest delivery and cheapest available at the time - as it was on sale.
I did a ton of research before settling on this chair and one of my sources was your channel. Keep up the good work!
Sounds like the backrest is too upright for you.
Try easing the backrest by using the back knob at the base of the backrest. This should move the backrest back, allowing you to sit in a more relaxed position.
Find a sweet spot where you can sit comfortably.
As you get used to the chair, I think you can try making it more upright. Had a friend who had a similar issue to you, so hope this helps.
Almost 3 years on my Gaming Embody sitting on it over 50 hours per week. Best purchase i ever made. Still looks and feel brand new.
i got mine a week ago and it feels like heaven. However, mine doesn't make any creaking sound noises while using it. Is it something that will occur over time? How is it with yours?
Hey question? Did you buy it on sale. It’s still at 1800 euro for me in the Netherlands and i heard some
folk talking about a November sale. Looking to pick one up.
@reVieced a bit of squeeking but nothing that bothers me
@a.d2019 i preordered mine before they released, so no not in sale but the prices was cheaper back then.
@@TotoHurteau ah ok fair enough, Ty for the reply.
After 9 months my gaming embody still looks brand new. The noise has definitely lowered as it’s broken in. Hands down my favorite chair. My only complaint is I wish the arm rests pulled out more. I have really big shoulders.
@@salut9658 it might not be right for your body type. Try a different chair or brand. I had to unfortunately do that.
Herman Miller did a silent revision though for the regular Embody adding the same sort of padding to the seat (not the backrest afaik). Gonna try out the regular one at a dealer soon as I was a bit too late for last year sale.
I recently purchased a new Embody chair and I can confirm that the seat padding feels just as padded as my friend's Logitech chair.
dang man missed the 30% black friday sale
It’s on sale right now. 20% off
I have the regular Embody and it was a vast improvement for my over the Aeron, DX Racer, and other chairs I've had or tried. Since I have damage to my spine due to a life well-lived, I was surprised to find the stiff cushioning to be so comfortable. My only real complaint is also the side-side adjustment of the armrests. I like to lean on them when I have to reach for something (or deal with a mischievous cat) so I really wish they locked into place instead of the notched positions. As complaints go, that is pretty niche.
This video is completely wrong about the cushioning on the seats of the Logitech Embody and standard Embody chairs. The comparison object is chairs before 2021. The standard chair produced after 2022 has the same thickened sponge cushioning as the Logitech gaming chair.
I recently got this chair and at first I wasn't as blown away as I had hoped to be at first, however after sitting in the chair for more than just a few minutes really opened my eyes and **THEN** blew me away. I have no pains or aches whatsoever after sitting in the chair for hours on end and I don't feel the need to stretch wildly after getting up and away from my desk.
It's so comfortable and cool to the touch, the armrests and noise are of no issue to me, everything is so smooth acting and the design is beyond amazing. Would definitely buy this again.
3 months later, what do you think?
@@Led.on.RUclips Even after the hype dies down, still a way better chair than my last as well as it is leagues better than chairs at work.
Comfy but firm, consistently cool and always visually pleasing 👍
@@McSquishton thanks!
@@McSquishtonwhich one did you get?
HM Gaming Embody @@chaim5397
Thank you for the review! off topic, what brand is that white PC desk !?
would you say the gaming embody is a lot softer than the regular one? even though the regular new one has the scrim layer?
Does the backrest have a more upright position than the original?
Basically my perfect chair. Never used a better chair before, and I no longer experience back pain after work. Can safely say I have no plans to ever work with another chair - despite its steep price, if mine broke down without repair I would buy it again without a second thought.
Also it’s worth noting that HM appears to have taken the sound complaint into account with the latest models. I bought my chair during last year’s Christmas sale and it makes 0 sound, it’s fully quiet even after actively trying to make it crease.
Interesting! This is the only reason why Im reluctant as to buying it since every review mentions the annoying sound. Return fee in sweden is about 70 friggin bucka as well so no easy way of trying…
Is the seat pad in gaming chair removable? I prefer the look of a gaming chair but I don't need the extra seat pad.
Great video, it's always interesting to see how different a chair can be for two different people. I prefer the regular Embody over the gaming version, but the Aeron is still my chair of choice. Absolutely agree though, that in terms of gaming chairs, this is by far the best option out there. Even in terms of looks, the bucket seat ones just look so silly, despite nice colour options and stitching.
So you tried both and opted for the normal Embody? I have my normal Embody coming in soon in a few days, but I haven't tried any of them. So I'm curious what reasons you have for picking the normal Embody?
@@HayashiKaiji I've tried both in two different showrooms. What the video doesn't mention is that they've added the extra padding on the seat on the regular Embody as well, so it feels similar. I prefer the fabric on the regular Embody and it's quieter as well. However, with still creaking on the recline and me preferring the mesh on the Aeron anyway, it made me go that route.
Chances are, if you like one variant, you'll like the other as well. Unless you're sensitive to noise like I am, then neither is a real option unfortunately.
@@dubble Thanks for the reply!
I have the Haworth Fern (standard black with lumbar bubble) at work, and the Logitech Embody at home. Love both but I think the fern lumbar is underrated and I slightly prefer that.
The Steelcase leap is a horrible chair, that gap at the tailbone between the seat and the back absolutely kills your back.
Agreed. Ironically I've seen people on Reddit promote the leap over the Haworth fern for the exact same thing when the leap has that gap as well. Ridiculous.
Was interested in this chair but they are 4+ weeks out for shipping 😢
@BTODtv what do you guys think of RH chairs, like the RH Logic 200/220? I never see them mentioned anywhere in these chair comparisons but always see them "recommended" in the medical world.
Those are European chairs.
Would you recommend adding on the upcoming AtlasHeadrest to the gaming Embody?
100%
Got the Gaming Embody for 1200(ish) USD during their black friday sale and after sitting for many years in cheap no name chairs that eventually gave me butt and neck pain having a proper chair is so nice. Could I gotten away with a cheaper office chair? Sure but I rather spend more on a product that will likely last over the long term (I'm a person who is of the buy one, cry once mentality, if I can afford it) and black and blue look of the Embody Gaming chair has a nice gamer vibe without going overboard and the extra form on the seat and backrest sealed the deal for me.
Been waiting a long time for this video
Does the plastic pixel structure on the seat become more flexy after years of usage? The front part feels to rigid imho, but it looks more flexy when youre pressing it with your hand in this video
I haven’t had mine a long time, but from what I’ve researched and experienced, it doesn’t necessarily get much more flexible, but it will start to conform to your shape, it’ll have your butt groove. And that becomes more comfortable
How many desks do you have, man?
Recently picked one up and I don't regret anything. Best purchase after years of crap gaming racing style chair.
Definitely going to give one of these a serious look.
Stupidly I went with a racing style gaming chair about 5 years ago which never really felt comfortable. I am sure during Covid it was the prime cause of giving me thoracic back pain and chronic costocondritis I am still battling daily pain with.
Sorry to hear about that, it's unfortunate that 99% of gaming chairs are complete garbage and nothing more than heavily marketed crap.
Definitely have a look at other great chairs like the Aeron, Mirra 2, Leap v2 and Fern.
It all depends on your fit, so it's a good idea to have a decent selection to choose from.
@@StardustLegacyFighter thanks. I'll definitely check out the chairs you mentioned. I wish I never got a gaming chair from the start.
What did you end up going with? I've had chronic thoracic pain for >2 years now and looking to get a top of the line chair
I was there as well. Purchased a cheap racing chair in 2018 cuz it was the hype back then. One of the reason I did not purchase these high end chairs because it is not always available in my country, if they do, the price is almost twice. For reference, a friend of mine bought a gaming embody last december, He paid over 2k usd
Thanks so much for the review.
I have a question to ask you: I work as a remote programmer and have been using an Ikea Jarvafallet chair for a few years, now thanks to your channel I realized that all this time I could have been much more comfortable...
After seeing many reviews I am undecided between two models (but obviously I accept other suggestions 😁): the Steelcase Amia and the Herman Miller Embody Gaming, but there is an important clarification to make, I live in northern Italy with summer temperatures up to 35 degrees celsius (should be 95 degrees fahrenheit), and I'm someone who tends to sweat a lot in the summer. Having said that, what do you think of the choice between these two chairs? Would I die of heat with Amia?
Ps: I know that there are also completely mesh chairs, but I'm not convinced of their comfort in terms of seating, based on what you've said, do you still suggest I take them into consideration?
Hey, I have no idea. but I saw this comment about the diffrence between the normal model and the gaming model 'The only other difference is that the gaming embody seat is copper infused so it takes away the heat from your body'
How do you still not know how to properly adjust the embody arms horizontally? You need to pull the arm up from below (without pressing the button for height though).
I’m well aware. -RB
Got mine Embody gaming chair last week, pondered and really deliberate for a long time before going for it since I already have two standard version with Rhythm and Balance fabrics. I am really presently surprised since it is one of the smoothest it feels like sitting on a cushion and my only complaint is the fabric gets really warm after sitting for a while. I loved my other two standard chairs as well in terms of comfort-ability the gaming chair wins.
I just got this exact chair a couple weeks ago. I actually had both: gaming aeron and gaming embody to test and see which one I wanted to keep. I went with the embody. So far, it's the best chair I have used. I wish the armrests swung away further than they do, but this is a minor issue for me. So far - I would most certainly buy again.
4 months later, what do you think?
@@Led.on.RUclips Still love it. I work remotely, and this is my daily work chair. It has been a great purchase for me thus far. The armrest issue I noted above really is a non-issue for me (more to do with what I was used to in my previous chair). Definitely the best chair I have used to date.
@@aaronledbetter7429 Thanks!
How are you liking the Logitech embody now? Is it your #1 pick? Or still prefer leap or fern overall?
I really can't chose between these 3 chairs
Review the Ergocentric Tcentric chair. Made in Canada.
Fern (digital Knit) vs Embody (Logitech gaming)
Fern wins.
Had the fern for three weeks and returned it. Tailbone numbness. Otherwise it was a great chair. Bought one for my girl and she loves it.
Does anyone know if there is still a difference in the seat between the gaming and a regular embody in 2023? It seems the seat has been updated but I can’t quite tell
They added more padding to the regular one somewhere beginning 2021. The only other difference is that the gaming embody seat is copper infused so it takes away the heat from your body.
@@philipbrand4759so not much difference in this case. They almost the same.
Please tell me which is better digital knit fern vs gaming embody
See if you can try them out where you live. I tried the fern initially liking it quite a bit. Ultimately returned it and will be ordering a embody soon. Fern seat pan left my tailbone numb. Both chairs are really nice, youll need to sit in them to see what you like.
@@salut9658 I am. Received it a week ago and am very happy with it. My issue with the fern was in the seat pan, I am 6'4" and needed a deeper seat. I also didnt like the firmness of the Fern. The Embody uses a different type of support, a mix of suspension bands and foam. So far very comfy. Ill give this chair another few weeks of testing before I make a final conclusion. Dont think it will change from now. Also there might be a difference between the backs of the gaming embody vs original, in a little (?) added thickness on the gaming version. I love the original version.
I tried the Fern and there were 2 problems with it for me. The first was the wool seat. For whatever reason, it was super itchy for me and I couldn't get comfortable with it. That's likely just a personal issue though. The second issue was how hot I got in it, even with the digital knit back. As time went on, it did start to breathe a little better, but it was part of the reason I returned it. I just got the embody and haven't had either of the two issues I had with the fern. For my body type (5'11", 175lb, wider shoulders male) I have found the embody to be far more comfortable.
Asus ROG Destrier Ergo can u please talk about this new chair
I bought it along with a Haworth Fern to replace my Embody. I wanted to like it but I hate the Destrier. I love the back on the Haworth and love the seat on the Embody. The Destrier is going back this weekend. The mesh is hard and it's just not a comfortable chair coming from the Embody. The seat sucks on the Haworth Fern though.
It's a shame the UK only gets the gaming Embody atm.
I prefer to have a more breathable material, such as the balance fabric found on the regular Embody.
I don't think they even make the balance fabric anymore anyway
@@michrisoft They still do in the USA.
@@StardustLegacyFighter They don't sell it on the website in the USA. Not for the embody anyway.
@Chris Jantzen I guess it must have been recent, since I did remember the Balance fabric model on the US website, last year.
That's a real shame, since the Balance fabric had the best breathability and durability out of all fabrics.
Picked this up in the Black Friday sales, it's an amazing chair!
Wasn’t it like $1200, Or something crazy like that?
By crazy I mean great price
@@hahasteven2266 yea, granted it’s still a large expense for a chair. It was about £1,000 in the UK . My back feels so much better since the purchase. I sit down for 90% of my day, so it was fairly easy to justify the cost.
I'm defiantly saving for one of these. One of the biggest pro's is the 12 year warranty over my secret lab chair's 2 year warranty. My secret lab arms get cut up because they wont go down all the way under the table. I ended up taking them off so I can scoot my chair all the way forward. Also on the secret lab, the seat tilt lock mech broke and they gave me the runaround in getting a replacement. Asking me multiple times for the same information. I just gave up on the repair process.
This was actually a selling point for me. My secretlab chair broke three times during the warranty period and finally just now outside of warranty. Secretlab was pretty awesome with repairs but if I have to buy a new chair every 3 years its going to end up costing the same as this one.
The lumbar curvature need improve , make it more curvier at the lower back . And the curve on the top back need to reduce curvature . Then it'll be perfect
tried this game for two weeks, backrest was great, but I could not sit in it for long periods of time without getting tailbone pain. not being able to adjust the lumbar which I never like was a dealbreaker. trying out the Aeron gaming typer C at the moment.
How is the aeron with tailbone pain after a days use. and also thigh pain/thigh blood circulation
You can "kind of" adjust the lumbar through the back tension knob
@@Trigun892 yeah that never really did anything, let alone improve the pain. sucks because I did like the chair.
I have the Aeron C. Its the same chair they have been selling for years I guess they they just started calling it a gaming chair lol make more sales I guess. FOr me its only good for work but not for gaming when I want to lean back and relax with a rocker
@@toosmooth6124 Nope, it's because the Aeron gaming edition is all black. It's purely a cosmetic feature.
Wish HMxLogi made an Embody with a headrest or just a neck rest, if not then at least have an option to add one.
I have muscular dystrophy, and my neck muscle is weak af.
Atlas headrest made headrests for both the gaming and non gaming Embody. And it's an insanely high quality headrest.
You say it lets you sit up in a way that normal gaming chairs don’t, but that is nonsense. The back is designed to have you leaning back with you head upright. If you try and crank the back more upright it just awkwardly pushes your shoulders forward.
I agree it has a great seat, but the back is diabolical compared with other chairs like the aeron.
I've seen a lot of taller folks complain about that shoulder issue, I wonder if that's the same issue you're having?
Did you mean piqued your interest? Just curious
Logi Embody + Alas headrest you set for probably 20 years.
Can Herman Miller please sell this in Au !!!! it's been 3 years come on.
The Vantum probably didn't feel like a 'Herman Miller' chair because perhaps it was designed by the 'Knoll' designers that had since been acquired by "Miller-Knoll"
Vantum was developed by a full gaming team within HM's team. They even worked with local esports team + their own research department team solely targeting the gaming area to create the vantum. Even though I am not a fan of the Vantum, they did try their best on the first iteration of their 'gaming' chair.
Would also add that Knoll chairs are excellent shared-space chairs, like with Humanscale.
There are good reasons why Herman Miller wanted Knoll.
No clue how Vantum became the massive disappointment it is...
Worst chair they've ever made.
It badly needs a redesign.
It's not really the design that's terrible with the vantum, it's the cost cutting at too many corners. Small seat depth to save money, regular synchro tilt to save money, cheap mesh to save money, clunky plastic mechanisms to save money. If they hadn't cut corners at every turn, it could have been a great, nice looking chair. I'd have preferred a $1500 chair, rather than a $990 chair that feels like a $500 chair. Free returns, 12 years warranty and manufacturing in the US aren't suited for cheap chairs, so it's understandable, but it's just a bad product in the end.
@@dubble It's funny how it feels more cheap than the Sayl, which literally costs half as much.
If you own this chair getting a compatible atlas headrest is a must.
How come this chair is so expensive and yet does not feature a headrest for safe neck posture
Because Herman Miller doesn't put headrests on their office line, only the Vantum chairs -GK
@@btodtv isn’t it a bad thing to omit neck backrest ?
@@immersionsensei You don't need a headrest when sitting upright tbh.
The backrest needs to be taller. That piece at the top of the backrest would better be used as something that folds out as a backrest extension or even a neck rest
I've had the Embody Gaming for only a week and a half but thus far am very pleased with it. It gets mixed usage among gaming, a couple days of work, and tv/movie watching on my PC. Thus far it's been very comfortable for all activities.
2 months later, how do you feel?
@Jacob I'm really happy with it! If I had to grade it, I'd give an A. I'm 5'11 225lbs and I can comfortably sit in this for 8+hrs working, gaming or whatever else I'm doing. It does creak a bit at times, but overall it's an excellent chair. The multi position lever for limiting recline is great as well. Of the 4 recline positions (with 1 being uprigh), posit 2 is perfect forceork, and 3 perfect for gaming or a,movie.
@@evenbetterthantherealthing92 Thanks for the reply! I'm between the Embody, Aeron, and Fern right now
It's really reassuring to see people saying their only complaints with the chair are with the armrests, as someone who exclusively throws them down to as low as they go and sits with my stomach up against the desk. I feel like I'm sure this is exactly what I need in a chair but it's just so hard to get myself to click the button to sign over $1700 for it.
20% sale plus free shipping going on right now.
@@cloggedpitot1 Oh, I already bought it on the last sale lol. Thanks though. Absolutely love it. My lower back pain has improved significantly.
@@michrisoft Glad to hear it! Back pain sucks
It's actually 25% off if you use the EXTRA5 voucher :)
"A solid two weeks" lol
Most gaming chairs have a "headrest" or somewhere to lay your head. The lack of and no four-way arm wrests makes this a big no for me.
Atlas Headrest makes headrest for the Herman Miller chairs (Embody and Aeron).
It will match the chair 100%.
LOL these chairs are so good you dont need a head rest. keep up the good fight tho
@@voodoodisco the headrest is for your head to rest on. you saying you can rest your head without one?
@@Cali_Sense Im saying that Herman Miller is an amazing chair that you don't need a head rest because the chair is able to support your body according to science. yep! science!
I don't like the blue color on the back, I can choose the color?
Yes
It would be nice if the tension adjustment was on the waist instead of the back. So I prefer the leap chair
It's because the Embody has two tension adjustment mechanisms, one for the recline tension and one for the backrest tension. Pretty sure the Leap has the same setup, with the lumbar depth tension near the back of the chair.
if only the seat and back were more soft and comfortable and overall had less creaking sound, then the embody would be great. But the chair does not even feel like a 1k chair. It really feels like a scam. I send mine back, had two.. last was the logitech gaming which I thought would fix things but.. both times I wasn't really convinced. Had all the high priced chairs behind me now.. leap v2, fern, embody, aeron remastered.. nothing really convincing for LONG sessions of gaming. Either extremely pain in butt and lower back or just felt cheap. The aeron in c (as and slightly "oversized" chair for me) is the only one that were ACTAULLY comfortable, like a real hammock, if it just didn't had this frame problem.. but with this problem it doesn't seem worth it to spend that kinda money even if it was quite comfy for 2months straight with no pain, sadly. I wish HM would upgrade the aeron and find a solution with the hard frame on the seat. A cushion pad perfectly sized for the Aeron, to go all the way over the frame might be an option but I don't know.. too pricy if I have to find workarrounds because of a design flaw
It's not a design flaw, chairs like the Aeron were never designed for gaming.
I use it for gaming too, but I'm not the type to sit in weird positions or fidget around, so the frame has never once bothered me in the slightest.
If the frame and seat edges really bother you, I'd probably just wait for the Steelcase Karman to officially come out.
How is the Fern compared to the Embody? Looking at that or maybe a Steelcase as I just got the Embody and my tailbone/lower back definitely takes a beating. Not sure how this chair is so hyped, I really want to like it but may have to send it back too. I got the normal version and will say the build quality was impressive and had no creaks like others reported though
@@stevenyoung5210 How s the scrim foam? I did try Embody like 2 years ago (non gaming). The things I didnt like were that I felt the pixilated system in my bum and the chair maybe was too reclined for me + w the front edge tho I got use to the front edge. Did not have any tailbone issues myself tho.
@@sittkukk8278 It gradually got better and by the end of the 30 days I was used to it and don't get sore anymore. I think I would recommend the gaming version as I feel it still needs a little more padding but I liked the colour on mine, got mostly used to it, and it had a custom ordered polished aluminum base so I didn't want to return it.
The polished aluminum definitely brings up the premium look up massively.
Also took me a while to get used to sitting on it, I think it clicked once I tried sitting all the way back in the chair and when I saw an infographic showing the proper seating position is at 100 degrees where there is less pressure at the spine. I was used to sitting hunched over in my old crappy chair so I thought that was the right way to sit.
@@stevenyoung5210 Glad to hear it worked out for you. The gaming version is not actually available in my country unfortunately. I m in btw amia or embody atm. The 100 degree part was v interesting. Will see 👍
Honestly the only real complaints i ever had with the Embody is that weirdass armrest.
I'm used to it but i don't think i'll ever be a fan. This changed nothing on that so I'm not sure i'd spend the extra money.
Wish this video thoughts from your colleagues of different heights.
Insane price
These are high end chairs tbh.
You are looking at designer chairs… and your names Rich.. why you complaining broke boy
@@zureai I have a leap and a digital fern bud. im saying this is not good value for squeaking with no lumbar and lack of arm adjustments 🤡
Authorized dealers sometimes offer them 50% off.
@@trollzone1 got examples?
Is there a difference between the Herman miller Logitech and the regular Herman Miller Embody chair? They look identical in everyway except the colors they are available in.
that's what the video is about did you watch it?
@@Marco-nd1hs You missed the sarcasm or maybe I wasn't blatant with it enough. Like you said...the entire video discussed this subject.
背中のテンションじゃなく腰のテンションを変えたい
This video is completely wrong about the fabric on the seats of the Logitech Embody and standard Embody chairs. The comparison object is chairs before 2021. The standard chair produced after 2021 has the same thickened sponge fabric as the Logitech gaming chair.
Love it and would really want to buy it but for 2k jesus christ that's a monthly salary ffs. 1k fair enough you don't buy chaires that often and it's premium but for 2k nah i don't think so
Somehow, the lower back is really extremely hart... hart plastic... which hurts... no matter how I sit , it hurts. Only when I sit so straight I'm not using the lumbar support in my lower back but I think this was not what the chair was made for :/
I think it's a damning indictment of either you guys or chair manufacturers that the best part of a thousands pounds or more doesn't get you something that one might be satisfied to call excellent. They all have flaws seemingly, so I guess you're right to judge them as you have.
I feel like taking a chair and making some color way changes and other minor changes and rebranding it as a "gaming chair" is a little disingenuous. LOL
Brands labeling bucket style racing chairs as ergonomic feels disingenuous too 😂 Might just be the space they are targeting -GK
I feel like it's more how it's spec'd. The normal embody has alot of options but the gaming embody comes with pre spec'd for the option that would be best for gaming like the sync fabric and premium casters. On top of the additional padding for longer gaming sessions. Seems genuine to me. I would rather have a great existing chair optimized for my use than them be forced to make something new and different that isn't as good (vantum). if it ain't broke don't fix it
It's a "gaming edition" of the Embody chair, not a gaming chair. The Embody probably has the most differences when compared to the regular version, unlike the Sayl and Aeron, which are purely cosmetic changes.
Didn't Haworth do the same thing with the Halo Fern, yet I don't see you calling them out for it?
I personally liked that Haworth partnered up with a gaming franchise, as it's essentially what Secretcrap does but much better, because the chair doesn't suck.
@@StardustLegacyFighter Get a life loser.
The gaming colors suck… I’d love if they would just take the extra cushion and gimmick cloth design and offer it with the color combinations available on the non gaming variants.
the quiet voiceovers are weird mannn go back to the normal talking, these feel awkward to listen to on my speakers
Voice overs at home in bed next to the sleeping wife
The noise the chair makes is not acceptable.
It can be a bit annoying, but a lot of high end office chairs are noisy tbh.
1700€ for a chair without a Headrest its ridiculous.
headrest would ruin that chair
I have yet to find a use for a headrest on any office chair if I am to look at a monitor.
@@MumrikDK To lean back and support your head?
That's what I thought... But consider this. You get 12 years of guaranteed use for HM chairs, thus split the price per year and compare it to other brands and their warranty.
Herman Miller don't believe in headrests, that's why they don't have them on any of their office chairs.
You can get the Atlas headrest if you absolutely need one.
The pad is NOT thicker on the Logitech Embody, compared to the normal.
They added more foam to the Embody back in february 2021.
If you're going to do a In-depth review of a product like this, at least do some research ..
It's hard to take this review serious, when you're comparing these 2 chairs, based on a old model (and you leave out a detail like this).
Sorry, but this is why you received a dislike 👎
Yea that’s a tough one. I didn’t see anywhere on their website, price guide, pictures or videos to show this change. I also chatted with a HM rep about the 2 chairs they told me that the seat was one of the differences between the chairs. I did my best to put out the most accurate information. Aside from ordering a new Embody every month, I am not sure there is anything more I could do here. -RB
Fair enough they didn't mention the update for the regular Embody, but I'd say that's a very petty reason to not take a review seriously.
If you know anything about these guys from the several reviews they've made on other chairs, you'd know that these guys are chair experts.
@@StardustLegacyFighter There are other things to take into consideration as well.
@@btodtv This is my input in relation to this review.
You mention that the biggest difference between the normal Embody and the gaming Embody is the seat - You go on to tell how you can feel the notes on the normal Embody as opposed to the gaming Embody.
That's not the case anymore, and hasn't been since February 2021 when they updated their regular Embody to add an extra layer of foam.
The biggest difference between these 2 chairs is that the gaming Embody has an extra layer of copper-infused foam. There is also a difference in the fabric of the 2 chairs, but the normal Embody is available in several variants.
At no point do you get around this very thing, which makes these 2 chairs different from each other.
If you have used the chair intensively for 2 weeks, you should be able to tell how his experience with the seat is, compared to the normal Embody (even if it is from before the 2021 update) - Is it hot after several hours, or does the extra layer of copper work - infused foam???
Precisely because this page makes reviews of chairs, and probably also has an interest in providing useful information. Then I don't understand how the above information can be omitted.
My feedback is meant to be constructive and based on what I would expect in a review of this chair, especially when it is made by someone who claims to be an expert.
Use it or leave it..
And it might also have been worth mentioning that for those who are considering this chair but lack a headrest - It can be purchased via Atlas Headrest (which are former Herman Miller employees who developed it). It matches the chair 100% in terms of color and design.
But it still has more foam the gaming variant hasnt it? Also the backrest has an extra layer as well which the regular embody doesnt have? They only included and extra piece of foam in the seat for the 2021 update? So I mean that would make a difference as well.
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