Fingers crossed my Dad and Grandma didn’t watch this. But i’m HAPPY IF YOU MANAGED TOO! Let me know what you think, I respond to almost all my comments, and I really want this video to succeed! Hope you’re having a wholesome sunday!
For real bro I thought I was the only one lmao. Only,the manga I read was the sort that made my mom break my 3DS when she caught me sleeping one night.
i once convinced myself that if i cheated by correcting one of my answers while we’re were self-grading our own tests, that they would bring in some sort of csi analyst and they’d be able to tell that it’d been changed after the fact by like, carbon dating the graphite or something lmao
I only tought about that when I was browsing some hen... It hit me deeply, I bought 4g so that my parents wouldnt be able to see my search history when asking the internet provider.
@@HidinginPublic That's completely believable. A logic-based lesson on the negatives of a toxic relationship don't outweight the emotional gratification of having any relationship at all. I can say from experience that the standards for a chronically lonely guy can get notoriously lax.
@@CornerOfDiscussion I'd say it's less about you lessening your own value as much as it is lessening the value of the things you consider important. And thanks btw, bro. I am doing better.
Ngl, that talk in the beginning about stepping away from the prying eyes of parents made me think you were about to drop a VPN ad at the start of the video.
I completely understand when reading psychological romance can be traumatizing as a kid. Even though barely a kid, I read “A Girl By The Shore” around my senior year of HS- I was 17. Still, reading about the desperate and incredibly young love, it actually hit home more than scare me of the unknown. Everyone wants to be loved- especially children, but they sadly believe they have to grow up in order to defeat boundaries to be “truly” loved. All relationships are boundary breaking, and it’s too easy for it to be for the worst.
I ALSO READ THIS MANGA! At 15, I think. I don't understand anything about the story, but I can't bring myself to reread it. I felt only disgust, sadness, and confusion.
@@tigerfestivals5137 There are some amazing psychological mangas, definitely don’t shy away from pieces like the one in this video and even mentioned Flower of Evil
i read this while being told it had a yandere character in it. after a few times he got denied. i looked up the ending because it was clearly not a yandere manga. and yeah..... the ending is a thing. But hey can never go wrong with the Harem + Echii + Romance pair!
@@i0xiaY Yeah sure, thanks for the interest! I meant that the words people say are not the same as what they want to tell somebody. That's the best way I can explain it.
@@i0xiaY the true intention of speaking those words isn’t a always reflected in them. the best example i can provide is subtext, the meaning between words,
@@i0xiaY I think they meant that some people use words to say WHAT they want, but WHY they want to say it should be understood more to know what they truly mean. Example, if someone says, “I am hungry”, they must have said it because they want to eat, not because they simply wanted to share their thoughts.
@@HidinginPublic i was probably around 15 when i read it, had absolutely no idea what i was in for but when it ended i really wanted to read more like it
I love shit like this too, but for me it was The Flowers of Evil. There's probably something i read earlier but that's the most notable one I can remember.
I read this as a young teenager too, and I think it just activated some new kinks, it probably fucked me up more than I was aware of but oh well, the damage had been done ages ago now.
Yeah, it's definitely weird how we say things like a certain form of entertainment is too strange and outlandish to be realistic yet you see news or documentary of real people doing even more bizarre things that even fiction couldn't even think of. I don't know if it's people just being ignorant or it's kind of a denial that you refuse to believe it.
It's because there's always an element of truth to the exaggerated scenes/interactions. Even though the author plays it up to make it entertaining, you can still see how this could happen irl.
A Christian book store was having a "going out of business" sale and I bought the whole series for cheap. After reading it though, I question why a Christian bookstore would have it in the first place.
@@brookesystem School Days was a light novel that got made into an anime series in which the protag effs around on girl/s he's meant to be seeing..then things happen...edit: visual novel..right?
I saw the thumbnail and just got some hard-ass flashbacks. Reading when I was like 14 felt like I just found some sketchy underground comic that wasn’t meant to see the day of life.
@@HidinginPublic nah. If anything, it kinda makes me feel nostalgic. That kinda weird wonderland of finding what the internet had to be uncovered. Sometimes it was disturbing. Sometimes it was beautiful.
Dude this was available at my public library!! Tho it was in the mature section, but totally this looked like something that shouldn't have been in my library. Sure there were the rest of the popular mangas there, but this? It definitely felt very niche. Funny enough, i read this the summer i was going into high school, i was also 14, cuz I turned 15 the first semester of my freshman year. Tho at the time i only read 3 volumes that were available, i didnt read the rest til the summer before my senior year of high school. Man i was down bad for like 3 days after finishing it.
Lol you nailed the comment. I discovered this during my junior high school. It was my first mature manga and i remembered hiding from my family whenever I read this. And yes, revisit it again makes me feel nostalgic.
Being 15 at the moment, I think i'll pass on this one at least one or two years, when I have a real understanding of relationships and romance and i'm mature enough to understand it and not be extremely traumatized by it, anyhow, I'll save it so I can read it sometime in the future, thanks for the recommendation!
I read three volumes of this the summer going into high school, i was 14. As they were available at my public library, which i found really curious as this looked to be a very niche manga. I didn't get back into reading the rest til my senior summer, i gotta say. It broke me. Dude i was down bad for like 3 days after reading this.
Bro I'm 20 and still have no idea what a relationship is I mean I love my cat but like people? I go both ways and still hate them all. But you can definitely handle the uncomfortable feeling better when reading this type of stuff a lot better.
You’re gonna constantly be learning about relationships through your life. Another take about reading things like this is that if it makes you feel uncomfortable or like it’s wrong it probably is. That being said a lot of toxic manga actually helped me identify toxic behaviors in relationships in later life. I do commend you for choosing to avoid triggering content but 2 years is definitely not enough. Life is not very happy go lucky. Sadly being innocent and naive about things like this will make you an easier target later. 😞
Read it in college. The ending broke me for sure. I wasn’t traumatized per se but I think it impacted how I looked at relationships afterwards, for quite a while afterwards.
i'm also so fucking glad that they illustrate an abusive relationship in which a guy is being abused; too many people are legitimately convinced that women can't abuse people, or that men can't ever be victims.
I like how they portrayed the mental abuse/manipulation as creepy and damaging, too. A lot of people think that mental abuse is no big deal (even though it clearly is ;-;)
@@emilyau8023 you should see a therapist, I’m not saying this to be an asshole. I’m saying it because you might need it and besides, there’s tons of people who need therapy and don’t even realize it. That’s how confusing and difficult mental health can be.
@@emilyau8023 Look, I get that some people might be into this shit. But you gotta be honest, open and clear about it. I’m just 12 chapters in, and this is a case of a girl knowing a guy will do literally anything for her and actively finding ways to damage him physically and emotionally. It is not the same.
This manga was one of the first "romace manga" that I've read which had a boy mc (I'm a girl so I read manga with a girl mc) and it helped me put into perspective some of the actions of the girls, that I thought were romantic, but they really weren't (for example, tsundere behaviour). On one hand I am grateful to read this manga at a young age because it showed me the bad side of relationships, but on the other hand it left an empty hole in me when I finished it. I even blocked it out of my mind ultil I saw this video. So many mixed emotions.
I had parents that would literally print out my AIM chatlogs just to FIND reasons to punish me. In hindsight, it's amazing they didn't put the same effort into tracking what I was downloading over Limewire. Needless to say I've developed a lot of paranoia and trust issues.
Bro wtf This is why when my kids reach this age I want them to realize I was a weeb and a horn ball too, so they can trust me and I can guide them. PRINTING THEIR FUCKING CHATS THOUGH. That’s some boomer shit wow.
But Yuru Camp is a different genre though. If you want an antidote that doesn't stray from the type of poison it tries to heal, I would recommend reading Hitomi-chan wa Hitomishiri (Hitomi-chan Is Shy With Strangers).
Honestly, I couldn't even watch 5 minutes of the video without wanting to break my desk in half because of a past experience with a person that was manipulating me for 3 years. It's amazing that because of her if I even hear the word manipulation I get very angry and start to shake
I am VERY glad I didn't discover this when I was young. Those invasive thoughts about social interaction and relationships have been with me as long as I can recall, and this manga is exactly the kind of mental masochism I hungered for back then, but was unable to properly process.
I actually love this kind of manga, there is something special about characters that act like real life people hidden secrets in plain sight smooth wording and double meanings as they plot their next move, it's scary how natural is for people to lie or act when they need to
Theres also the part of the gyaru chick breaking down saying she's nobody toilet, that right there i think is a really good scene from the manga, damn memorable.
It's one of many good moments in manga. Don't let Hiding in Place's bad video fool you. Sundome is a great story with a underline theme of people dealing with insecurity. Kyouko, the girl you're referring too, is a popular girl in the school who likes to party and have fun. The nerdy guys in the club don't understand why she hangs out with them and think life must be easy for her but in truth Kyouko has deep insecurities tied to her sexuality and also her intelligence which is where that break down comes from.
@@alexblake5369 glad someone else grasps the concept of the manga, its absolutely fantastic and reading it was gut wrenching due to its representation of how far someone will go for someone they love even if it emotionally or physically hurts them
21 year old me is gonna look back at this present 14 year old me and be like 'why the fuck did you ignore the warning of this random guy on the internet'.
This is more a matter of taste but I personally want to read it more *because* it's being described as creating such a powerful and lasting discomfort and deals with those sorts of themes. High-grade unease is hard to come by.
I just finished it, I have to say that it was beautiful, I started feeling guilty for liking it, but eventually I learned that it’s okay, this wasnt a toxic relationship, hell I CRAVE a relationship like this. The ending hit like a truck... this is now one of my top 10 favorite manga, thank you do much for making this videoy
Oh man this manga was so good when I read it a few years ago. I was shocked to see a youtube video talking about it considering how niche the subject matter is. I can imagine how it would traumatize a younger person who isn't into this type of stuff. Hopefully you've gotten over this.
This is one of the best comic. I can remember which one just from your thumbnail. It is not disturbing, at least there is no violence, wounds, blood or harm... just a very sad story about love and friendship that explains everything around the end. I would recommend it to most people that have time to finish it, but not those unfortunate ones with long term sickness (or a friend/partner that does).
1:41 - Reminds me of when I kept a vent journal hidden away on a minecraft server bc I didn't want my mom to find anything that would make her think I needed to be hospitalized. The things kids do to stay out of their parents' 'watchful' eyes, amiright?
Interesting!! I’ve read Aku No Hana yeaaars ago, but that kind of stuff flew over my head. I’ve been meaning to revisit it now that I’m older and I wouldn’t mind throwing this on the reading list since I’m always intrigued by off-beat stories. Props to anyone that can write stuff like this.
I stumbled upon this manga by chance shortly after the end of a similarly toxic relationship, albeit not too this degree and I could relate well. I've learned from that that love sure can be dangerous, as it let's you judge the person you feel it to quite unobjective. Thank you for covering this manga.
Gosh seeing this vids thumbnail felt like getting hit in the face, like honestly what's the opposite of nostalgia cause yeah fsfdsfdsfds, I also read it as a 12-13 year old, and although it didn't make me anxious the same way it did you- probably since I've never actually been interested in relationships so I didn't think too much of that aspect of it, I did get this immense sense of guilt reading it, 3:04 sums it up pretty well
Everytime i want to track this manga down again (i'm masochist i know) i stumble into your channel again and i remember how damn good you are for making this videos. i'm happy to have found you (again)
What manga gives off the most disturbing and digusting yet the most romantic vibe? this video points to that and says it all. I just finished reading the manga recently, it has left me somehow empty for a week. It was so unique and romantic, unique in a way how it progressed, from being a near toxic and borderline abusive relationship to something wholesome is just... UGHHH! I wanted to cry at its ending but me being a young adult and no longer a teen maybe made it hard for me to do so lol.
I'm happy someone has finally talked about this manga, I remember stumbling across it on some unofficial manga site about a year ago because I had found another manga by the author called Ibitsu (not the famous horror manga) and I had really liked his art style but that manga was very -odd- in a more upfront way than Sundome so I was put off and looked for another one of his works and that was how I found it. I remember the art and Kurumi being so hypnotizing. I'm particularly into anything the manga plays into sexually and I'm a straight female so it wasn't really written or drawn to appeal to me in that way, but still it was almost enchanting when I read it. The art and story both have a sort of bleak feeling to them and there's lots of erotic imagery but then it's mixed with these sometimes comedic scenes of the group going ghost hunting or that one scene where Kyouko stands up for herself. It was so hard to tell what it was trying to make me feel, especially with the odd relationship between Kurumi and Aiba. And I never knew anyone who had read it so I never had anyone to discuss or talk about it with.
Dude, I was thinking about Ibitsu when I watched this. It's the same author?! No wonder! I loved reading Ibitsu, though the way it ended was so sad and unsatisfying >~< You can tell the author has a pretty specific genre, huh?
You know what? That is so hard to find those diamonds in piles of garbage. Any popular manga sites I visit I only manage to find mainstream ongoing manga.. :c And these stories seem to be unnoticed. Thank you for reviewing this awesomeness. As a child who was abused in childhood I like to travel among human shadow parts of psyche helps me to cope and rehabilitate. I'd definitely read this one next.
I remember coming across this manga when I was like 14 and reading like 2 chapters before going back to ouran. Man I owe my 14 year old self for preventing this trauma.
Holy shit I'm Soo glad I'm not the only person who knows about this manga I've tried to read it twice since staring g college. But something about it always makes me uncomfortable. Yet I always walk away motivated to be a better person so maybe I should give it another go.havent watched your video yet but once I saw the art the memories came rushing back. Subscribed.
You got me to read this. And so I rewatched your video on it. That being said, I can understand why 0:28-0:35 broke me. I want to say I hate you for it but I would be lying if I didn't say I enjoyed the read. Thanks for introducing me to it
You know, I think this video was supposed to serve as a warning, but for me it's like, a story about a relationship that is supposed to be disturbing psychologically? Sold.
Ah, Sundome. The oldie but the goldie of psychosocial manga. I will always remember it fondly for bawling my fucking eyes out. For an alterative recommendation to this that i can think of with ecchi aspects but still psychological is Onanie Master Kurosawa which I strongly recommend.
Lol I picked up on the ending pretty early on and the farther I got the more I dreaded it Occasionally I'd read the comments on the site and a lot of people seemed to think it was heading towards NTR
hiding gives all the reasons i shouldnt read this manga, but im gonna read it anyways cause the way you presented it was great and i was really intrigued about it
First video of yours ive seen but i had to leave a comment! Hope you see this! I just finished the whole series in one day, and as an adult reading this it was one of the most beautiful stories ive ever read. I could see the issue as a chile, but understanding her reasoning (however flawed it is) is beautiful. By the end, everything she does is just to make him stronger *Spoilers* for when she is no longer around. I really think that she believed in him when no one else did and never did anything that he couldnt handle and even when he failed she was so proud of him for trying. Honestly, even though my husband is NOTHING like her, the MC inspired me to try harder in my relationship. (Nothing like what he would do but you get what im saying)
This video definitely oversells this manga a bit. I really wouldn't description Aido and Kurumi's relationship as toxic, just unorthodox. I can see how people can see it that way, maybe they interpret Kurumi as cold and just using using Aido but if you have actually read the manga, that isn't true at all. Not only does she grow to really like Aido but she is the first to say "I love you". Aido gets around to saying it dead ass near the end of the manga and at first it comes off as Aido using Kurumi for his own pleasures with their pro quid quo relationship. But in full truth, their relationship is a very cathartic one, finally finding love in someone who is just as weird as you are and being able to express that with eachother with full consent involved. Neither party is being forced and they find solace in their weird and bizarre affection for one another. Both deeply enjoy eachother and are fully satisfied and happy by just being beside one another. It's just such a unique relationship and maybe it's the weird s and m that is strongly incorporated in the relationship that makes people jump the boat assuming that this is a toxic relationship. Personally, I think if you see it that way then you missed the point, I'd say. Just let people be happy doing their weird thing lmao
The way you describe sundome honestly fills me with some sort of vicarious dread. Great video! But at 8:28 your censorship blur vanished and didn't cover what it was supposed to - it was only a second, but I've seen videos get pulled for that
I remember reading this and was so confused by it, I thought it was really weird. I felt empty when it ended. I also think you should give the flowers of evil another try, I read it when I was younger and never understood it. But now I think I can understand the message at the end. Makes you feel hopeful and relieved. Even after all that has happened.
Sun Dome, as a title, sounds like a kind of cool title for a space thriller. The title sounds like it inspires exploration; maybe religious themes as well. I feel like it could be a work which fits well into something like the universe of Magnetic Rose. Thanks for the writers inspiration H.I.P! Stay hip my guy.
it may not have been this specific piece of media but goodness grace do i relate to encountering through manga stuff i was not only too young to consume but questionable in long-lasting ways that i'm yet to finish working through
I remember reading this when I was in highschool. I both liked and hated it, but didn't now why. I still don't know why, but it's nice to hear your perspective.
This manga seriously reminds me of the time I spent with my first girlfriend, minus everything lewd. I've only been introduced to the manga through this video, but its story is eerily familiar. Because she was my first girlfriend and because I was very fearful of the way my words and actions might affect certain people, I would constantly overthink exactly how my words impacted her and what I could have done differently, what I did wrong, etc. It didn't help that she was rarely forthright to me about her feelings, which made things even more painfully confusing to my already vulnerable state of mind. (I was undiagnosed with depression and constantly gaslighted myself over it, denying and trying to repress all the pain. I'd struggled with that internal ostracism since I was 10 years old and younger, but failure (or the perception of it) severely inflames my self-hatred.) I grew up ashamed of myself and my appearance since early childhood, so I was frequently tormented by a fear that she would leave me because I was no longer desirable or because of something that I said or did and that I would never get another opportunity with anyone else for the rest of my life. It didn't help either of us that she was frequently unstable herself, and would be enraged by very small things that average people disregard. In a few ways that parallels my perception of my father in early childhood, whom I remember living in fear of, though I still don't consciously understand why. Like the female character in this manga, she took pride and derived immense pleasure from controlling me. That might have been because I was a whole 15 inches taller than her (she was very short). The symbols evoked by that kind of power dynamic and emotional dynamic in spite of the size difference are self-evident, so I won't go into them. She was also physically abusive and would hit me with water bottles or her fists. The physical pain itself never bothered me, but she would talk about other ways that she wanted to hurt me (stabbing in particular was common. More severe blunt force was typical, too.) I could go into more detail about her, but I don't like comments that ramble needlessly. That being said, I don't disregard your own paranoia at that age (I was 14 when I dated her). Many social fears are rational and your feelings are not invalid. I write this so that anyone else with similar past experiences or fears can know that they aren't the only one. Real people are complicated, and despite what I've said so far, I actually had a lot of fun with her at times. But please, never hide the truth from yourself. Ever. To anyone reading this who feels crushed or shattered by some form of trauma from your past or present, you're not irrational. You're not overly sensitive or weak, and you don't need to be ashamed anymore. It's not your fault; it never was. And you don't need to feel isolated because your experience "wasn't as bad" as someone else's. If this comment ends up getting popular, I'm sure you'll find a host of lovely, supportive people in its replies. I don't know you but I wish you the best!, with what little an internet stranger can give.
Nah this guy is tripping, it's not a toxic relationship just read it you'll see. I think the only reason he called it toxic is because at the time he knew nothing about love and was too young to understand the real point of the story
I can‘t believe you’d read manga on your DS :D Sundome was a manga that caught my eyes back then with Aku no Hana and Nozoki Ana while looking for a manga that depicted relationships aside for the typical lovey dovey stuff we see in shoujo. Unlike the other two examples I mentioned I actually never finished Sundome though, maybe for the reasons you mentioned (it’s been too long since I read it). Not sure if I’d be able to reread any of the manga nowadays. Funny enough my teen self was more comfortable with these topics and sexual themes than my adult self. Really liked the editing in the video. I feel like you captured the theme of the manga pretty well. Btw, after teasing it in yesterday’s livestream I can now say that I guessed Sundome right ^~^
This video did appear in my youtube feed, and thank you for talking about a manga that change your experience about stuff, it happened a while for me as well when i was 15 and changed my perspective (in a bad way) about talking to people and having friends. Really won't give details but it comforts me to know that someone had an experience like this
I remember finding this growing up in the back section of a Borders Bookstore before they closed. I remember being really fascinated by the cover and the story, but obviously couldn't have my parents buy this for me. I would say like you this manga fundamentally changed my perception and approach towards relationships, most likely in the negative. I resonated with the main character in a bad way and think I'm only just getting out of that kinda twisted mentality when it comes to relationships. That being said where you can't recommend this manga for perfectly understandable reasons, I can not recommend this manga highly enough. Between the quality of the art, the angles the poses, the interpersonal relationships and growth between the various characters other than the main couple, there is just something fundamentally raw that this story captures in it's writing that something like a Love Hina doesn't compare. It's definitely something I would suggest you give a try.
Its funny how I almost sunk into a relationship just like this, difference is, I hated every moment of it. Thank god I had enough self respect and integrity left to walk away.
The sad thing is that relationships like this do exist,and to me that is the most disturbing thing about this series ,granted these are considered to be "toxic relationships" so to speak ,and considered to be uncommon albeit realistic by experts unlike the cutesy way anime and Manga rom-com heroes and heroines are far too often portrayed!!!
i've never really heard of this manga, but on the topic of abusive/manipulative relationships, i've never been too paranoid of myself being manipulating but that i may be manipulating others close to me. it sounds very odd, but it's something that i legitimately worry about, and i try my best to always let people know that it's alright if someone doesn't do something that i may ask them to, because i always want people to have a choice. on a different, less odd topic, i did enjoy this video a lot! it reminded me of some of your older videos where you would get pretty personal, but with your more confident voice now and your more refined editing. i hope your videos get back on track!
Okay so since I first watched this video I have read the whole thing. While I understand how it could mess with a teenage boy's mind, having only read it as an adult, it isn't at all disturbing. It's mostly just really funny, but the ending is depressing. Overall it was a very interesting read.
Not gonna lie, reading it (or at least trying, I gave up after the first chapter) made me only confused, and almost made me cry from laughter as I heard about the ending.
I don’t think it’s really meant to be horror. It’s more a psychological exploration of kink & masochism. I guess if you don’t really relate to that type of kink at all it can seem more like horror. But really, to me, it felt more heartwarming, mc & the girl both need this type of relationship... they both enjoy it. That made the ending really hard on me. If anything, that was more scaring to me, the feeling that they were so uniquely compatible in such an unconventional way, that they’d never find anyone quite like this ever again. That they each found & grew a part of themselves in each other that nobody else could ever properly understand and that loss was the true tragedy, not the inequality in their relationship. I read this in college so I can see that making a big difference as well
I've read this manga about the same time as you did. Oddly enough i don't remember reading it until I've seen your thumbnail. Like most mangas ive read of the genre i don't really remember them even though most of the mangas i read i remember the plot even if i forget the title. I was a manga vacuum back then reading everything without a care and this was no exception. What broke me though wasn't something like this it was a fun, light hearted rom-com manga called Fuuka and it was good... until the author killed someone they shouldn't have.
If you liked this Manga I would recommend you to read nozoki ana, it is the grown up more NTR version of this story that somehow ends on an unhappier note.
@@shinsuu777 Mousou Telepathy is a cute 4 panel that will suck you up into it and hit you like bricks when you get to the point in the story that makes you realize how much these characters mean to you.
Aku no Hana was such a great manga. Definitely try it again, I recommend checking out Chi no Wadachi (same mangaka) or Boku wa Mari no Naka, both incredibly psychological stories that are addicting as hell. Oshimi Shuzo is a great writer, and has really aesthetic art.
@@HidinginPublic Holy crap. Firstly, im so honored and even alil star struck that you replied my comment. I LOVE ALL your uploads! But ya it is crazy how a good amount of people actually read these more obscure mangas haha
I've been following you for a while, and I just wanted to say I love your videos. Found you via your video on wattam and I'm super glad I did. I like how relatable you are as a creator, we have really similar tastes in media too so I, of course, rushed to go read this manga after watching this. I can't even imagine the emotional toll this manga put on you as a 13-year-old. I'm almost 23 and this manga evoked such a broad mix of emotions in me. I'm honestly glad I read it even if it was ultimately bittersweet. Thank you for all you create and I eagerly await what videos you will make going forward.
Fingers crossed my Dad and Grandma didn’t watch this. But i’m HAPPY IF YOU MANAGED TOO! Let me know what you think, I respond to almost all my comments, and I really want this video to succeed! Hope you’re having a wholesome sunday!
So that was interesting....
I actually loved this manga hahaha
@@britanycsantana kinky
@@HidinginPublic yeah haha didn't see it as a child tho so I understood everything. To me it's like Inio Asano's work.
i thought the girl is a yandere but.......i think its.... not
When he said he feared his parents were secretly tracking him, I thought he'd start an ad for a vpn.
Hahaha man that would have been a great lead in
Always have a VPN
True tho
Me too, I've become paranoid.
Same I skipped 10 seconds and then realized it wasn’t an ad so I had to go back
I can't believe there were more people using their ds to surf the internet more discreetly. 15 years old me thought it was the ultimate lifehack.
Only the most high IQ brainlords came up with this ultimate sneak
Same, it just felt more secure than my ipod
What do you mean ds?
@@veiserexab1428 nintendo ds
it just feels robust, you know?
Thumbnail: " This disturbing manga ruined my childhood "
Me: Damn gotta read it
Lol Carpe diem I suppose
True
@@HidinginPublic thanks for saving us from the trauma. Now I don't have to read it.
@@kyrohowe3156 you should totally read it, its actually surprisingly interesting and heartfelt under all the psyche outs and fetish fuel.
@@tigerfestivals5137 I've seen ecchi manga before but NEVER like this. If you like it, fine by me. That doesn't mean I have to like it.
"I would read manga on my 3DS" Okay, this is officially the most relatable video you've made and I'm only 2 minutes in.
Lmao those were the real life hacks of the 2010s
Wait you can read mangas on the 3ds? I never knew this. Anyone kind enough to explain how?
@@immentallyhandicapped2903 The 3DS has a browser lol
@@TheMightyNovac ah I see. Must be fun to have those things around.
For real bro I thought I was the only one lmao. Only,the manga I read was the sort that made my mom break my 3DS when she caught me sleeping one night.
As Hiding's grandma, I've gotta say I hope you guys enjoy!
I gotta nail waitin!
And as his Dad, I agree
Canon hiding lore
WHAT
Hello hiding grandma
I cant explain how much I relate to that "my parents are tracking everything I do" mindset.
Big oof
My parents genuinely did track everything I did as a kid, and still do.......I'm 19 now btw. 😀
i once convinced myself that if i cheated by correcting one of my answers while we’re were self-grading our own tests, that they would bring in some sort of csi analyst and they’d be able to tell that it’d been changed after the fact by like, carbon dating the graphite or something lmao
I only tought about that when I was browsing some hen... It hit me deeply, I bought 4g so that my parents wouldnt be able to see my search history when asking the internet provider.
I’m 12 and my mom doesn’t check what I do on my iPad
It's good to learn early that relationships can be toxic. Better to be safe than sorry, to learn from a manga rather than from real life experiences.
I agree, although a few years after reading this my caution did me no good cuz I still fell face first into one. Oop
@@HidinginPublic That's completely believable. A logic-based lesson on the negatives of a toxic relationship don't outweight the emotional gratification of having any relationship at all. I can say from experience that the standards for a chronically lonely guy can get notoriously lax.
@@TheMightyNovac Hope you're doing alright now, don't ever feel lesser than any other person.
@@CornerOfDiscussion I'd say it's less about you lessening your own value as much as it is lessening the value of the things you consider important.
And thanks btw, bro. I am doing better.
Sundome is not about a toxic relationship, it's about a sub / dom relationship. It's BDSM not abuse.
"I think it ruined my childhood-" oh word?
*opens safari*
Dannnnggg this warning ain't bein heralded at allll
@@HidinginPublic i want problems, *aLwAyS* 🤨👩🏾🦯
fr same xD
It was a pretty good manga tbh.
Why SAFARI bruh? That is like the WORST mobile browser.
Ngl, that talk in the beginning about stepping away from the prying eyes of parents made me think you were about to drop a VPN ad at the start of the video.
Haha, well hey happy surprise it wasn't I guess
I was about to comment this, I was bracing for that "well you should get NORDVPN!"
This man was worried about if getting a relationship would be toxic while I was worried if getting a relationship was even possible
I completely understand when reading psychological romance can be traumatizing as a kid. Even though barely a kid, I read “A Girl By The Shore” around my senior year of HS- I was 17. Still, reading about the desperate and incredibly young love, it actually hit home more than scare me of the unknown. Everyone wants to be loved- especially children, but they sadly believe they have to grow up in order to defeat boundaries to be “truly” loved. All relationships are boundary breaking, and it’s too easy for it to be for the worst.
Is that the one by the guy who wrote Oyasumi Punpun?
@@tigerfestivals5137 Yesss!! One of his one-offs!!
I ALSO READ THIS MANGA! At 15, I think. I don't understand anything about the story, but I can't bring myself to reread it. I felt only disgust, sadness, and confusion.
@@sarahelizabeth9340 i should probably read both of those at some point
@@tigerfestivals5137 There are some amazing psychological mangas, definitely don’t shy away from pieces like the one in this video and even mentioned Flower of Evil
"no you can't be serious, cartoons can't ruin your psycholo-"
*METAMORPHOSIS KICKS IN*
Euphoria and Maggot Baits: amateur
no please no
end of evangelion
when the doom music kicks in but instead of doom music its metamorphosis and instead of killing demons you are killing yourself.
to be honest that doujin isn't all that people ham it up to be
I read this when I was like 15, and I still don't understand what I should have felt while reading it
Anxiety is all I felt. And big sad
@@HidinginPublic I can see why
I felt conflicted, but unable to look away
i read this while being told it had a yandere character in it. after a few times he got denied. i looked up the ending because it was clearly not a yandere manga. and yeah..... the ending is a thing. But hey can never go wrong with the Harem + Echii + Romance pair!
Well my first time read that Shit I feel some Emptiness and Scared that what happen if that guy was me, what i am gonna and capable to do
It took me midway through high school to realize that silver lining that the meaning behind what people say is more important than the words themself.
It's an important lesson that takes a lot of active attention before it clicks right
Hi! I am not an English speaker, so could you explain this? I seem to be unable to understand what you wanted to say, but I would like to know!
@@i0xiaY Yeah sure, thanks for the interest! I meant that the words people say are not the same as what they want to tell somebody. That's the best way I can explain it.
@@i0xiaY the true intention of speaking those words isn’t a always reflected in them. the best example i can provide is subtext, the meaning between words,
@@i0xiaY I think they meant that some people use words to say WHAT they want, but WHY they want to say it should be understood more to know what they truly mean.
Example, if someone says, “I am hungry”, they must have said it because they want to eat, not because they simply wanted to share their thoughts.
Read this as a kid, and I was so stupid I didn't know what it was about. Then I recommended it to my brother... Hoo boy.
That was one big mistake
Chad
Well, at least not to your father.
Full story pls
this was the manga that gave me my love for psychological slice of life
Oh dang, well idk if i had read it later one maybe my experience would have been drastically different
@@HidinginPublic i was probably around 15 when i read it, had absolutely no idea what i was in for but when it ended i really wanted to read more like it
Punpun triangle
I love shit like this too, but for me it was The Flowers of Evil. There's probably something i read earlier but that's the most notable one I can remember.
I read this as a young teenager too, and I think it just activated some new kinks, it probably fucked me up more than I was aware of but oh well, the damage had been done ages ago now.
this type of manga can somehow be both the most unrealistic and realistic depiction of romance
It's strange how things are like that sometimes
Yeah, it's definitely weird how we say things like a certain form of entertainment is too strange and outlandish to be realistic yet you see news or documentary of real people doing even more bizarre things that even fiction couldn't even think of. I don't know if it's people just being ignorant or it's kind of a denial that you refuse to believe it.
It's because there's always an element of truth to the exaggerated scenes/interactions. Even though the author plays it up to make it entertaining, you can still see how this could happen irl.
Ikr? It feels just WAY too realistic, which I think helps make the reader uneasy...
A Christian book store was having a "going out of business" sale and I bought the whole series for cheap. After reading it though, I question why a Christian bookstore would have it in the first place.
maybe to try to educate people about toxic relationships
@@theirs7351 You clearly haven’t read the manga pal.
@@lesterriggs9236 ya I didn't, just guessing
... Inspiration for Abstinence??? (/jk)
Watching School Days as a young child discovering romance genre in anime was quite the experience as well I'd say...
School Days was epic
Nice boat
I remember finding that shit when I was 13. I doubt I'll ever completely forgive Kotonoha for making me lose so much sleep.
what’s school day?
@@brookesystem School Days was a light novel that got made into an anime series in which the protag effs around on girl/s he's meant to be seeing..then things happen...edit: visual novel..right?
I saw the thumbnail and just got some hard-ass flashbacks.
Reading when I was like 14 felt like I just found some sketchy underground comic that wasn’t meant to see the day of life.
Same. Very similar feelings there haha. Hope it wasn't a horrible romp back down bad memory lane
@@HidinginPublic nah. If anything, it kinda makes me feel nostalgic. That kinda weird wonderland of finding what the internet had to be uncovered. Sometimes it was disturbing. Sometimes it was beautiful.
Dude this was available at my public library!! Tho it was in the mature section, but totally this looked like something that shouldn't have been in my library. Sure there were the rest of the popular mangas there, but this? It definitely felt very niche.
Funny enough, i read this the summer i was going into high school, i was also 14, cuz I turned 15 the first semester of my freshman year. Tho at the time i only read 3 volumes that were available, i didnt read the rest til the summer before my senior year of high school. Man i was down bad for like 3 days after finishing it.
@@assistmans agreed i felt so many emotions from reading it back then
Lol you nailed the comment. I discovered this during my junior high school. It was my first mature manga and i remembered hiding from my family whenever I read this. And yes, revisit it again makes me feel nostalgic.
Being 15 at the moment, I think i'll pass on this one at least one or two years, when I have a real understanding of relationships and romance and i'm mature enough to understand it and not be extremely traumatized by it, anyhow, I'll save it so I can read it sometime in the future, thanks for the recommendation!
You're gonna be reading it in your 40s then lmao
I read three volumes of this the summer going into high school, i was 14. As they were available at my public library, which i found really curious as this looked to be a very niche manga. I didn't get back into reading the rest til my senior summer, i gotta say. It broke me. Dude i was down bad for like 3 days after reading this.
Bro I'm 20 and still have no idea what a relationship is I mean I love my cat but like people? I go both ways and still hate them all. But you can definitely handle the uncomfortable feeling better when reading this type of stuff a lot better.
You’re gonna constantly be learning about relationships through your life. Another take about reading things like this is that if it makes you feel uncomfortable or like it’s wrong it probably is. That being said a lot of toxic manga actually helped me identify toxic behaviors in relationships in later life. I do commend you for choosing to avoid triggering content but 2 years is definitely not enough. Life is not very happy go lucky. Sadly being innocent and naive about things like this will make you an easier target later. 😞
Read it in college. The ending broke me for sure. I wasn’t traumatized per se but I think it impacted how I looked at relationships afterwards, for quite a while afterwards.
i'm also so fucking glad that they illustrate an abusive relationship in which a guy is being abused; too many people are legitimately convinced that women can't abuse people, or that men can't ever be victims.
I like how they portrayed the mental abuse/manipulation as creepy and damaging, too. A lot of people think that mental abuse is no big deal (even though it clearly is ;-;)
Just do research on BDSM and you'd see this relationship was not abusive to either of them.
@@emilyau8023 if you this this is BDSM there is clearly something wrong with whatever you think it is wtf
@@emilyau8023 you should see a therapist, I’m not saying this to be an asshole. I’m saying it because you might need it and besides, there’s tons of people who need therapy and don’t even realize it. That’s how confusing and difficult mental health can be.
@@emilyau8023 Look, I get that some people might be into this shit. But you gotta be honest, open and clear about it. I’m just 12 chapters in, and this is a case of a girl knowing a guy will do literally anything for her and actively finding ways to damage him physically and emotionally. It is not the same.
Never thought i see someone talk about this manga, i thought this was just a guilty childhood pleasure that you would take to the grave.
At the time I wouldn't call it much of a pleasure, it is perhaps through this lens I can talk about it publicly without as many weird looks
Same!
This manga was one of the first "romace manga" that I've read which had a boy mc (I'm a girl so I read manga with a girl mc) and it helped me put into perspective some of the actions of the girls, that I thought were romantic, but they really weren't (for example, tsundere behaviour). On one hand I am grateful to read this manga at a young age because it showed me the bad side of relationships, but on the other hand it left an empty hole in me when I finished it. I even blocked it out of my mind ultil I saw this video. So many mixed emotions.
I had parents that would literally print out my AIM chatlogs just to FIND reasons to punish me. In hindsight, it's amazing they didn't put the same effort into tracking what I was downloading over Limewire. Needless to say I've developed a lot of paranoia and trust issues.
im so sorry
@@breesnutz its normal for some people.
...:(
@@user-xh6ju3pg8cnot for the normal people
@@jennwwy lol ghoul attack is normal in Tokyo ghoul and stand attacks are normal Jojo
It is normal for some people taht are not normal for you
Bro wtf
This is why when my kids reach this age I want them to realize I was a weeb and a horn ball too, so they can trust me and I can guide them.
PRINTING THEIR FUCKING CHATS THOUGH. That’s some boomer shit wow.
So this is the kind of poison that would need a series like Yuru Camp to act as an antidote
But of course
But Yuru Camp is a different genre though. If you want an antidote that doesn't stray from the type of poison it tries to heal, I would recommend reading Hitomi-chan wa Hitomishiri (Hitomi-chan Is Shy With Strangers).
Or Mushishi
That disclaimer was gold bro. No need to feel embarrassed you make eggcelent content.
I don't want my dad and grandma to hear about my spooky experience with sexy Japanese comics tho
There’s a reason adult media is for adults only
Honestly, I couldn't even watch 5 minutes of the video without wanting to break my desk in half because of a past experience with a person that was manipulating me for 3 years.
It's amazing that because of her if I even hear the word manipulation I get very angry and start to shake
I know how you feel fam, hope you heal from that awful pain someday,,, and I think you're really brave for still being and moving forward♡
@@ryebee64 Thank you
I hope youre in a better place now! ❤️
@@militarydeviltube5014 Yeah I'm actually going to therapy because of what she did to me but I'm getting better.
Thank you
@@necromanta4852 im happy ur getting help (:❤️❤️
I am VERY glad I didn't discover this when I was young. Those invasive thoughts about social interaction and relationships have been with me as long as I can recall, and this manga is exactly the kind of mental masochism I hungered for back then, but was unable to properly process.
I actually love this kind of manga, there is something special about characters that act like real life people hidden secrets in plain sight smooth wording and double meanings as they plot their next move, it's scary how natural is for people to lie or act when they need to
Theres also the part of the gyaru chick breaking down saying she's nobody toilet, that right there i think is a really good scene from the manga, damn memorable.
tbh the only actually good moment and it gets like 2 pages at most :/
It's one of many good moments in manga. Don't let Hiding in Place's bad video fool you. Sundome is a great story with a underline theme of people dealing with insecurity. Kyouko, the girl you're referring too, is a popular girl in the school who likes to party and have fun. The nerdy guys in the club don't understand why she hangs out with them and think life must be easy for her but in truth Kyouko has deep insecurities tied to her sexuality and also her intelligence which is where that break down comes from.
@@alexblake5369 glad someone else grasps the concept of the manga, its absolutely fantastic and reading it was gut wrenching due to its representation of how far someone will go for someone they love even if it emotionally or physically hurts them
Im happy her character gets better and she actually gets a good ending.
OMG, I thought I was the only one who knew this thing. The bad feels man.
Feelsbadman
I haven’t read or heard of Sundome in a decade but as soon as I saw the thumbnail I remembered Blue Balls: The Manga
21 year old me is gonna look back at this present 14 year old me and be like 'why the fuck did you ignore the warning of this random guy on the internet'.
This is more a matter of taste but I personally want to read it more *because* it's being described as creating such a powerful and lasting discomfort and deals with those sorts of themes. High-grade unease is hard to come by.
I just finished it, I have to say that it was beautiful, I started feeling guilty for liking it, but eventually I learned that it’s okay, this wasnt a toxic relationship, hell I CRAVE a relationship like this.
The ending hit like a truck... this is now one of my top 10 favorite manga, thank you do much for making this videoy
yeah fire manga tbh
though I was in a toxic relationship like this before and it wasn't a great experience
Oh man this manga was so good when I read it a few years ago. I was shocked to see a youtube video talking about it considering how niche the subject matter is. I can imagine how it would traumatize a younger person who isn't into this type of stuff. Hopefully you've gotten over this.
Hey I just saw the thumbnail and clicked. I finished reading this 2 days ago and I loved it so much
Oh dang well, I can't say it's a bad series, but kid me didn't have a great experience haha
@@HidinginPublic yeah no, watching the video I can see how that would mess up kid you. I guess it's better now that I'm older, you know? Lol
Knowing you read and loved this manga and most likely Mysterious Girlfriend X, I feel like your tastes are very apparent
Hell yeah
@@Pokemonleafmon I liked the anime for that but never checked out the manga.
@@tigerfestivals5137 Mysterious Girlfriend X is a really good, weird, dumb manga and I love it. Would recommend
This is one of the best comic. I can remember which one just from your thumbnail. It is not disturbing, at least there is no violence, wounds, blood or harm... just a very sad story about love and friendship that explains everything around the end. I would recommend it to most people that have time to finish it, but not those unfortunate ones with long term sickness (or a friend/partner that does).
1:41 - Reminds me of when I kept a vent journal hidden away on a minecraft server bc I didn't want my mom to find anything that would make her think I needed to be hospitalized.
The things kids do to stay out of their parents' 'watchful' eyes, amiright?
It's safe to say it was your emergency metamorphosis. I hoped you didn't read that one. Gosh I still cry when I think about the non jojo ending
the only ending is the jojo ending. i do not take criticism
@@lanny007 there was also the behind the scenes ending! And it was made by Shindo L too
imgur.com/wXZBoHG
@@1221-o7e WAIT FR?? WHERE DO U FIND IT-
JoJo ending best ending.
Interesting!! I’ve read Aku No Hana yeaaars ago, but that kind of stuff flew over my head. I’ve been meaning to revisit it now that I’m older and I wouldn’t mind throwing this on the reading list since I’m always intrigued by off-beat stories. Props to anyone that can write stuff like this.
I just read ako no hana at 26 and I loved it so much. Tokiwa and the main character are maybe my favorite romance ever written.
"I never understood how people could be ambiguous until this point."
What a happy childhood. I'm envyous.
I stumbled upon this manga by chance shortly after the end of a similarly toxic relationship, albeit not too this degree and I could relate well. I've learned from that that love sure can be dangerous, as it let's you judge the person you feel it to quite unobjective. Thank you for covering this manga.
Gosh seeing this vids thumbnail felt like getting hit in the face, like honestly what's the opposite of nostalgia cause yeah fsfdsfdsfds, I also read it as a 12-13 year old, and although it didn't make me anxious the same way it did you- probably since I've never actually been interested in relationships so I didn't think too much of that aspect of it, I did get this immense sense of guilt reading it, 3:04 sums it up pretty well
Some of the most haunting final scenes in manga.
Everytime i want to track this manga down again (i'm masochist i know) i stumble into your channel again and i remember how damn good you are for making this videos. i'm happy to have found you (again)
Reading Rosario + Vampire made my childhood pog 😎👍
Kurumu forever 💞
Kinda epic
Mizore forever the best girl
I just watched the anime
I LOOOVED Moka when she turned into vampire. She was my first waifu !!
@@capslocked7274 mizore gang right here
What manga gives off the most disturbing and digusting yet the most romantic vibe? this video points to that and says it all. I just finished reading the manga recently, it has left me somehow empty for a week. It was so unique and romantic, unique in a way how it progressed, from being a near toxic and borderline abusive relationship to something wholesome is just... UGHHH! I wanted to cry at its ending but me being a young adult and no longer a teen maybe made it hard for me to do so lol.
Holy shit, using the 3DS was actually how I watched an etchi vampire anime as a kid lmaooo
Rosario + Vampire?
Tsukuyomi? Fortune Arterial? Rosario + Vampire?
I'm happy someone has finally talked about this manga, I remember stumbling across it on some unofficial manga site about a year ago because I had found another manga by the author called Ibitsu (not the famous horror manga) and I had really liked his art style but that manga was very -odd- in a more upfront way than Sundome so I was put off and looked for another one of his works and that was how I found it. I remember the art and Kurumi being so hypnotizing. I'm particularly into anything the manga plays into sexually and I'm a straight female so it wasn't really written or drawn to appeal to me in that way, but still it was almost enchanting when I read it. The art and story both have a sort of bleak feeling to them and there's lots of erotic imagery but then it's mixed with these sometimes comedic scenes of the group going ghost hunting or that one scene where Kyouko stands up for herself. It was so hard to tell what it was trying to make me feel, especially with the odd relationship between Kurumi and Aiba. And I never knew anyone who had read it so I never had anyone to discuss or talk about it with.
If you're interested in another strange manga, I would recommend Mysterious Girlfriend X
Dude, I was thinking about Ibitsu when I watched this. It's the same author?! No wonder! I loved reading Ibitsu, though the way it ended was so sad and unsatisfying >~< You can tell the author has a pretty specific genre, huh?
@@toutlemondesalut Tbh I enjoyed MGFX and was the reason I read sundome.
@@ceebbees12345 the author has a new manga out and I think it also shares same style with sundome
Only around the age of 13 I found out my parents aren't omnipotent, omnipresent beings.
Big Brother is always watching
You know what?
That is so hard to find those diamonds in piles of garbage.
Any popular manga sites I visit I only manage to find mainstream ongoing manga.. :c
And these stories seem to be unnoticed.
Thank you for reviewing this awesomeness. As a child who was abused in childhood I like to travel among human shadow parts of psyche helps me to cope and rehabilitate.
I'd definitely read this one next.
I wish you well in your journey
I remember coming across this manga when I was like 14 and reading like 2 chapters before going back to ouran. Man I owe my 14 year old self for preventing this trauma.
You as a youth: traumatized
Me as a youth: why do I like this 🙃
The real trauma was the kinks we gained along the way
...
LMAOO I FELT THIS
@@HidinginPublic and the guilt along with it
@@pinkishhaven5158 dude, the dread that you feel knowing what will come when you click "next chapter"
Holy shit I'm Soo glad I'm not the only person who knows about this manga I've tried to read it twice since staring g college. But something about it always makes me uncomfortable. Yet I always walk away motivated to be a better person so maybe I should give it another go.havent watched your video yet but once I saw the art the memories came rushing back. Subscribed.
You got me to read this. And so I rewatched your video on it. That being said, I can understand why 0:28-0:35 broke me.
I want to say I hate you for it but I would be lying if I didn't say I enjoyed the read.
Thanks for introducing me to it
sundome is one of the best love stories ever told. their love is genuine and haunted.
well said
You know, I think this video was supposed to serve as a warning, but for me it's like, a story about a relationship that is supposed to be disturbing psychologically? Sold.
but she was messed up its scary maybe due to past expierences.
Ah, Sundome. The oldie but the goldie of psychosocial manga. I will always remember it fondly for bawling my fucking eyes out. For an alterative recommendation to this that i can think of with ecchi aspects but still psychological is Onanie Master Kurosawa which I strongly recommend.
Lol I picked up on the ending pretty early on and the farther I got the more I dreaded it
Occasionally I'd read the comments on the site and a lot of people seemed to think it was heading towards NTR
Don´t tell me i was the only one expecting a VPN sponsorship in this segment xD 1:00
Haha you weren't the amount of comments I've gotten mentioning that is hilarious to me. I can't believe i didn't notice how it sounded haha
@@HidinginPublic hey, remember the name of the manga from the beginning, because I still don't want to read the other one in my 3ds
hiding gives all the reasons i shouldnt read this manga, but im gonna read it anyways cause the way you presented it was great and i was really intrigued about it
If you're a special type of kinky you may enjoy it
First video of yours ive seen but i had to leave a comment! Hope you see this!
I just finished the whole series in one day, and as an adult reading this it was one of the most beautiful stories ive ever read. I could see the issue as a chile, but understanding her reasoning (however flawed it is) is beautiful. By the end, everything she does is just to make him stronger *Spoilers*
for when she is no longer around. I really think that she believed in him when no one else did and never did anything that he couldnt handle and even when he failed she was so proud of him for trying. Honestly, even though my husband is NOTHING like her, the MC inspired me to try harder in my relationship. (Nothing like what he would do but you get what im saying)
This is mostly for the algorithm, but damn am I glad I never stumbled onto this series when I was younger lol
I appreciate that haha and good luck to you it seems
i stg i dead thought you were gonna shove a nord vpn ad in my face in that 3ds bit lmao
Hahahaha surprise, it's just good old fashioned content
I'm a big fan of your style of presentation. Thanks for doing what you do!
I'll try my best! Please keep supporting me!
OMG! YOU READ THIS TOO!!! Omg! Loved this video and I still have anxiety to this day from it and it kinda traumatized me
This video definitely oversells this manga a bit. I really wouldn't description Aido and Kurumi's relationship as toxic, just unorthodox. I can see how people can see it that way, maybe they interpret Kurumi as cold and just using using Aido but if you have actually read the manga, that isn't true at all. Not only does she grow to really like Aido but she is the first to say "I love you". Aido gets around to saying it dead ass near the end of the manga and at first it comes off as Aido using Kurumi for his own pleasures with their pro quid quo relationship. But in full truth, their relationship is a very cathartic one, finally finding love in someone who is just as weird as you are and being able to express that with eachother with full consent involved. Neither party is being forced and they find solace in their weird and bizarre affection for one another. Both deeply enjoy eachother and are fully satisfied and happy by just being beside one another. It's just such a unique relationship and maybe it's the weird s and m that is strongly incorporated in the relationship that makes people jump the boat assuming that this is a toxic relationship. Personally, I think if you see it that way then you missed the point, I'd say. Just let people be happy doing their weird thing lmao
The way you describe sundome honestly fills me with some sort of vicarious dread.
Great video! But at 8:28 your censorship blur vanished and didn't cover what it was supposed to - it was only a second, but I've seen videos get pulled for that
I remember reading this and was so confused by it, I thought it was really weird. I felt empty when it ended. I also think you should give the flowers of evil another try, I read it when I was younger and never understood it. But now I think I can understand the message at the end. Makes you feel hopeful and relieved. Even after all that has happened.
I remember reading it long ago also when I was in high school, and checking your video validates the discomfort that I had back then
Sun Dome, as a title, sounds like a kind of cool title for a space thriller. The title sounds like it inspires exploration; maybe religious themes as well. I feel like it could be a work which fits well into something like the universe of Magnetic Rose. Thanks for the writers inspiration H.I.P!
Stay hip my guy.
it may not have been this specific piece of media but goodness grace do i relate to encountering through manga stuff i was not only too young to consume but questionable in long-lasting ways that i'm yet to finish working through
I remember reading this when I was in highschool. I both liked and hated it, but didn't now why. I still don't know why, but it's nice to hear your perspective.
This video just made my "children shouldn't have access to internet" stance stronger
This manga seriously reminds me of the time I spent with my first girlfriend, minus everything lewd. I've only been introduced to the manga through this video, but its story is eerily familiar.
Because she was my first girlfriend and because I was very fearful of the way my words and actions might affect certain people, I would constantly overthink exactly how my words impacted her and what I could have done differently, what I did wrong, etc. It didn't help that she was rarely forthright to me about her feelings, which made things even more painfully confusing to my already vulnerable state of mind. (I was undiagnosed with depression and constantly gaslighted myself over it, denying and trying to repress all the pain. I'd struggled with that internal ostracism since I was 10 years old and younger, but failure (or the perception of it) severely inflames my self-hatred.)
I grew up ashamed of myself and my appearance since early childhood, so I was frequently tormented by a fear that she would leave me because I was no longer desirable or because of something that I said or did and that I would never get another opportunity with anyone else for the rest of my life. It didn't help either of us that she was frequently unstable herself, and would be enraged by very small things that average people disregard. In a few ways that parallels my perception of my father in early childhood, whom I remember living in fear of, though I still don't consciously understand why.
Like the female character in this manga, she took pride and derived immense pleasure from controlling me. That might have been because I was a whole 15 inches taller than her (she was very short). The symbols evoked by that kind of power dynamic and emotional dynamic in spite of the size difference are self-evident, so I won't go into them.
She was also physically abusive and would hit me with water bottles or her fists. The physical pain itself never bothered me, but she would talk about other ways that she wanted to hurt me (stabbing in particular was common. More severe blunt force was typical, too.)
I could go into more detail about her, but I don't like comments that ramble needlessly. That being said, I don't disregard your own paranoia at that age (I was 14 when I dated her). Many social fears are rational and your feelings are not invalid. I write this so that anyone else with similar past experiences or fears can know that they aren't the only one. Real people are complicated, and despite what I've said so far, I actually had a lot of fun with her at times.
But please, never hide the truth from yourself. Ever. To anyone reading this who feels crushed or shattered by some form of trauma from your past or present, you're not irrational. You're not overly sensitive or weak, and you don't need to be ashamed anymore. It's not your fault; it never was. And you don't need to feel isolated because your experience "wasn't as bad" as someone else's.
If this comment ends up getting popular, I'm sure you'll find a host of lovely, supportive people in its replies.
I don't know you but I wish you the best!, with what little an internet stranger can give.
Nah this guy is tripping, it's not a toxic relationship just read it you'll see.
I think the only reason he called it toxic is because at the time he knew nothing about love and was too young to understand the real point of the story
💜
lmfao it do be
I can‘t believe you’d read manga on your DS :D
Sundome was a manga that caught my eyes back then with Aku no Hana and Nozoki Ana while looking for a manga that depicted relationships aside for the typical lovey dovey stuff we see in shoujo. Unlike the other two examples I mentioned I actually never finished Sundome though, maybe for the reasons you mentioned (it’s been too long since I read it). Not sure if I’d be able to reread any of the manga nowadays. Funny enough my teen self was more comfortable with these topics and sexual themes than my adult self.
Really liked the editing in the video. I feel like you captured the theme of the manga pretty well.
Btw, after teasing it in yesterday’s livestream I can now say that I guessed Sundome right ^~^
"Doujinshis designed to make you feel awful."
I think you mean "Doujinshis designed to make you feel wonderful and alive."
This video did appear in my youtube feed, and thank you for talking about a manga that change your experience about stuff, it happened a while for me as well when i was 15 and changed my perspective (in a bad way) about talking to people and having friends. Really won't give details but it comforts me to know that someone had an experience like this
When i heard "The flowers of evil", my mind went straight to Baudelaire's poems
Well, the manga is about that...
I remember finding this growing up in the back section of a Borders Bookstore before they closed. I remember being really fascinated by the cover and the story, but obviously couldn't have my parents buy this for me. I would say like you this manga fundamentally changed my perception and approach towards relationships, most likely in the negative. I resonated with the main character in a bad way and think I'm only just getting out of that kinda twisted mentality when it comes to relationships. That being said where you can't recommend this manga for perfectly understandable reasons, I can not recommend this manga highly enough.
Between the quality of the art, the angles the poses, the interpersonal relationships and growth between the various characters other than the main couple, there is just something fundamentally raw that this story captures in it's writing that something like a Love Hina doesn't compare. It's definitely something I would suggest you give a try.
Its funny how I almost sunk into a relationship just like this, difference is, I hated every moment of it. Thank god I had enough self respect and integrity left to walk away.
Man this video made me think of some of my friends in these toxic relationships, really breaks my heart to see what some people get as a love life
The sad thing is that relationships like this do exist,and to me that is the most disturbing thing about this series ,granted these are considered to be "toxic relationships" so to speak ,and considered to be uncommon albeit realistic by experts unlike the cutesy way anime and Manga rom-com heroes and heroines are far too often portrayed!!!
This isn't a toxic relationship though...
i've never really heard of this manga, but on the topic of abusive/manipulative relationships, i've never been too paranoid of myself being manipulating but that i may be manipulating others close to me. it sounds very odd, but it's something that i legitimately worry about, and i try my best to always let people know that it's alright if someone doesn't do something that i may ask them to, because i always want people to have a choice.
on a different, less odd topic, i did enjoy this video a lot! it reminded me of some of your older videos where you would get pretty personal, but with your more confident voice now and your more refined editing. i hope your videos get back on track!
Okay so since I first watched this video I have read the whole thing. While I understand how it could mess with a teenage boy's mind, having only read it as an adult, it isn't at all disturbing. It's mostly just really funny, but the ending is depressing. Overall it was a very interesting read.
Oh, thank god, it's so nice to meet another person who has gone through the same traumatic experience as me.
God bless Sundome 🙏🙏
Not gonna lie, reading it (or at least trying, I gave up after the first chapter) made me only confused, and almost made me cry from laughter as I heard about the ending.
I’ve finished the manga like 1 month ago, this is weird, like so weird but the manga the developpement, and the end, this is good
I don’t think it’s really meant to be horror. It’s more a psychological exploration of kink & masochism. I guess if you don’t really relate to that type of kink at all it can seem more like horror. But really, to me, it felt more heartwarming, mc & the girl both need this type of relationship... they both enjoy it. That made the ending really hard on me. If anything, that was more scaring to me, the feeling that they were so uniquely compatible in such an unconventional way, that they’d never find anyone quite like this ever again. That they each found & grew a part of themselves in each other that nobody else could ever properly understand and that loss was the true tragedy, not the inequality in their relationship. I read this in college so I can see that making a big difference as well
But sexual relationships aren’t healthy ya know.....
@@Quandale.dingle.here. what do you mean?
I've read this manga about the same time as you did. Oddly enough i don't remember reading it until I've seen your thumbnail. Like most mangas ive read of the genre i don't really remember them even though most of the mangas i read i remember the plot even if i forget the title. I was a manga vacuum back then reading everything without a care and this was no exception.
What broke me though wasn't something like this it was a fun, light hearted rom-com manga called Fuuka and it was good... until the author killed someone they shouldn't have.
If you liked this Manga I would recommend you to read nozoki ana, it is the grown up more NTR version of this story that somehow ends on an unhappier note.
any more recommendations?
@@shinsuu777 Mousou Telepathy is a cute 4 panel that will suck you up into it and hit you like bricks when you get to the point in the story that makes you realize how much these characters mean to you.
@@enkidu213 I haven't been updated with Mousou Telepathy, but I remember how cute and wholesome it was. It's a 4koma, iirc?
thanks for the read! i liked the manga. better than sundome imo
At least Nozoki Ana are about actual adults and not... Kids.
Aku no Hana was such a great manga. Definitely try it again, I recommend checking out Chi no Wadachi (same mangaka) or Boku wa Mari no Naka, both incredibly psychological stories that are addicting as hell. Oshimi Shuzo is a great writer, and has really aesthetic art.
Holy shit I never knew someone could be as paranoid as I was when it came to not wanting my parents to find something
I hope your channel gets back on track, all your videos are really good and entertaining.
I'm trying my hardest right now. I can only hope I hit stride again
OH MY GOSHHHH! I THOUGHT NOONE ELSE READ THIS AS A KID! thank you for allowing me to enjoy another person's thoughts on this childhood drama
Yeah! I thought so too. I'm so surprised to see a multitude of people apparently familiar with this. IT's crazy
Luckily I read this when I was seventeen. I didn't finish it until I was 25. It's a tough read.
@@HidinginPublic Holy crap. Firstly, im so honored and even alil star struck that you replied my comment. I LOVE ALL your uploads! But ya it is crazy how a good amount of people actually read these more obscure mangas haha
Same here lol
I've been following you for a while, and I just wanted to say I love your videos. Found you via your video on wattam and I'm super glad I did. I like how relatable you are as a creator, we have really similar tastes in media too so I, of course, rushed to go read this manga after watching this. I can't even imagine the emotional toll this manga put on you as a 13-year-old. I'm almost 23 and this manga evoked such a broad mix of emotions in me. I'm honestly glad I read it even if it was ultimately bittersweet. Thank you for all you create and I eagerly await what videos you will make going forward.
Yo Mizuki Kawashita is a gem. Her work was very enjoyable. Y'all got that good taste
The most underrated anime youtuber I can't change my mind
If you can't change your mind I'm glad it's me
@@HidinginPublic np :)