I think it is CRAZY when people describe anyone with over 100k subscribers as small. That's the point when you will start to be considered for big brand deals, book deals and can start to RUclips full time. This is why at SitC the cut off point is 10k. If you're under 10k subscribers you don't get access to any of RUclips's resources apart from publicly available files. I've gotten a fair bit of pushback about this (mainly from people who sit between the 10k and the 100k bracket - in which I fall myself, mind you), but there is something very different about one's motivations, mentalities and community when you're that size; especially when you've been that size for a while. I'm looking forward to the smaller youtubers panel at SitC, Mary, aren't you? :P
Yes yes yes yes yse YES! Preach! Snaps! I feel you 100% I feel that passion! As someone who's been making videos on RUclips for 10 years and still oh so small, I feel that frustration every time I on this website.
I agree Mary. I used to think that once you got over 50,000 subscribers you were a big RUclipsr. Now, I think it is 100,000 for the reasons you said. Of course I have friends who have over 100,000 subs and they feel that they are small RUclipsrs.
Great video! As someone near 100k, I feel like a medium sized RUclipsr. Because almost 100,000 people have gone 'yeah I think I'll watch more videos of this guy', and regardless of how many of those people are actively engaged, they still are very aware I exist. And 100k is more people that can fit in any football stadium in the UK, which is a tad mental. So regardless of the fact there are a LOT bigger RUclipsrs, you can't ignore the fact that you can pack out a football stadium. Basically, if you can fill a football stadium with subscribers, you're hardly small. You've got nearly 2k subs Mary. You couldn't fit all those people in your house! 2,000 people is a lot of people. On a scale of 1 to famous. You're not 'famous' but you're at the very least SUPER POPULAR! Fame is a scale.
This was v well put together, Man. I totally feel you on a lot of levels. Tbh I just don't know whether to call myself a "RUclipsr" or a "smaller RUclipsr"
39 subscribers, holla. :) I think you made some great points and I pretty much agree. I don't think the numbers matter much at all, but the first play button plaque is a pretty good line to draw if we're drawing lines. But for me, success is making connections with new internet friends, and that's totally happening for me already. I feel wildly successful and grateful for all my new friends.
I definitely watch the numbers, but I've examined how I feel about them and really the main reason I get excited about them is because more subs = more potential internet friends.
I believe that a smaller channel is any channel under 100k. I dont really agree with the 30k deal, since I have 33k and still REALLY struggle with views, growth, and recognition.
I was literally thinking about this the other day! I was watching small youtuber recommendation videos and realised if I did my own I wouldn't know where to draw the line for a 'small youtuber' because it's so subjectiveve :/ Getting reccognition from youtube at 100K is a good point, and I think that's probably a sensible figure. It's so tricky to define due to different youtube viewing habits aswell. I watch a lot of small youtubers, some with even less subs than myself, so would probably have a lower threshold than my friends who only watch lots of big youtubers.
Right! Which is something I need to keep in mind as I have this conversation more. I too watch a lot of smaller people so it pushes my boundaries more.
In my book, I see 50K and below as "smaller RUclipsrs" now, which is kind of insane to think about. But there's tiers of smaller RUclips, but I don't know how helpful it would be to have terms for those tiers. There's also some channels with a million subscribers that are getting less interaction than smaller RUclipsrs below 100K or even 50K. Smaller RUclips has become kind of like a feeling rather than a technical community of people. Things that feel small RUclips are kind of just things that were what RUclips was circa 2007-2008. Great video, Mary!
I also think it's important to consider how many actual views per video RUclipsrs are getting. There are a lot of people with 100k subscribers who get less than 10,000 views per vid, whereas someone with under 100k might get way more views on their videos. Also, for me I definitely have a lot of "hate subscribers" who only subscribe to post nasty comments and dislike my videos. Not to say I'm a teeny tiny youtuber but it definitely affects my experience on RUclips.
I can't remember who made it, but I saw a video recently about their favourite smaller youtubers, but I didn't watch it because 1) Plenty of the people in the thumbnail had over 100,000 subs and 2) I had already heard of plenty of them. I would say that around 30,000 or less is definitely a smaller youtuber. I wish they would get more recognition!
I feel like there should be more categories. I am often involved in the smaller RUclipsr discussions but I eventually stopped commenting because I even felt excluded from that conversation... 10k subs? Jesus. to me that is a pretty decent amount. if anything the people near 1mil or over are no longer RUclipsrs but TV show hosts.
For me I recognize different 'tiers'. 0 - 1,000. 1,001-10,000. 10,001 - 100,000. 100,001 - 1,00,000. Million plus. I'm in that second tier at 4,700. I have a friend that started out with fewer than me and now has something like 650,000. He no longer has to have a day job.
I think it does really depend on the person and the youtubers that they're watching. If someone is primarily watching creators with over a million subs, they're going to think 100k is small. I watch some "big" ones, but mostly the youtubers I watch are less than 100k. So I tend to think of a small youtuber as someone with less than 15,000 or so. I definitely agree that it's kind of disheartening as a tiny creator to hear people with 100k referred to as "small."
I generally think of anyone with less than 50/30k subscribers to be smaller RUclipsrs, depending on how much of their audience regularly watches their videos. That being said, it's hard to group someone with 50 thousand subscribers in with someone who has like
lol me and @tunedindrake on RUclips have been debating this recently glad u made this video on it , we think 30k or less is small and these 100k people r way bigger than a small youtuber
i've never really thought about it but i think i define small youtubers as less than around 30k. i know 10k is the point where you have access to more things and blah blah, but generally with the "small youtube community" i think it's less than 30k from what i've noticed. but to say 30k-150k is medium and then 150k+ is big is weird too because that puts 150k and 10mil in the same category and that's strange haha. i dunnooo guess it is all down to how people personally feel but yeah i'd say 30. long comment
Different rankings. utube's 10K means u can use Utube space facility anywhere. 100K means recognition of silver play button. 1M means gold p b. 10M means diamond p b. socialblade's (approx.) a small channel may get c- a channel of 80K may get b- a channel of 300K may get b+ 43M may get a++ If too many hit 10M then smaller channels will suffer a collective downgrading.
Well from what I understand social blade's rankings are based on a lot of things, not just subscribers. And RUclips's rankings are brand new- they don't change anything, not really. Everything they instituted with the new ranking system has been in place for years now, they just uped the space requirement from 5k to 10k.
More channels have higher subbie nos. now. Case. Booktube. May '13 No. of channels >5K = 18. July '16 No. of channels >10K = ~75 Growth = everything is in a state of flux. re socialblade. Yes, not everything is based on subbies. That's why I wrote "äpprox."
Kinda like in Horton hears a Who, a youtuber's a youtuber, no matter how small ^_^
omg yes. Love it
I think it is CRAZY when people describe anyone with over 100k subscribers as small. That's the point when you will start to be considered for big brand deals, book deals and can start to RUclips full time.
This is why at SitC the cut off point is 10k. If you're under 10k subscribers you don't get access to any of RUclips's resources apart from publicly available files. I've gotten a fair bit of pushback about this (mainly from people who sit between the 10k and the 100k bracket - in which I fall myself, mind you), but there is something very different about one's motivations, mentalities and community when you're that size; especially when you've been that size for a while.
I'm looking forward to the smaller youtubers panel at SitC, Mary, aren't you? :P
YEEESSSSSS!!!! I agree so strongly with everything you said!!!
Yes yes yes yes yse YES! Preach! Snaps! I feel you 100% I feel that passion! As someone who's been making videos on RUclips for 10 years and still oh so small, I feel that frustration every time I on this website.
Every single moment of every single day hahah
I agree Mary. I used to think that once you got over 50,000 subscribers you were a big RUclipsr. Now, I think it is 100,000 for the reasons you said. Of course I have friends who have over 100,000 subs and they feel that they are small RUclipsrs.
It's hard to balance it
Love this love this! I've been a "smaller RUclipsr" on RUclips for almost 10 years now, so I FEEL/UNDERSTAND YOUR PASSION. :)
It's a blessing and a curse! ahah
Great video!
As someone near 100k, I feel like a medium sized RUclipsr. Because almost 100,000 people have gone 'yeah I think I'll watch more videos of this guy', and regardless of how many of those people are actively engaged, they still are very aware I exist.
And 100k is more people that can fit in any football stadium in the UK, which is a tad mental. So regardless of the fact there are a LOT bigger RUclipsrs, you can't ignore the fact that you can pack out a football stadium.
Basically, if you can fill a football stadium with subscribers, you're hardly small.
You've got nearly 2k subs Mary. You couldn't fit all those people in your house! 2,000 people is a lot of people. On a scale of 1 to famous. You're not 'famous' but you're at the very least SUPER POPULAR!
Fame is a scale.
That'll show all those kids that bullied me in high school! TAKE THAT, NOW I'M SUPER POPULAR!
This was v well put together, Man.
I totally feel you on a lot of levels.
Tbh I just don't know whether to call myself a "RUclipsr" or a "smaller RUclipsr"
I think you should call yourself demi-God.
you're such a flirt
Thanks Ant =]
100% Completely Agree! 100k + is not a smaller RUclipsr
I agree!!!! yeas shout out to my fellow small you tubers !!!!
GO US!
This was very well articulate and put together and I totally agree
Thank you!
39 subscribers, holla. :) I think you made some great points and I pretty much agree. I don't think the numbers matter much at all, but the first play button plaque is a pretty good line to draw if we're drawing lines. But for me, success is making connections with new internet friends, and that's totally happening for me already. I feel wildly successful and grateful for all my new friends.
That's a great way to define success! I hope you can keep that attitude, I know a lot of people (myself include) that can get hung up on those numbers
I definitely watch the numbers, but I've examined how I feel about them and really the main reason I get excited about them is because more subs = more potential internet friends.
I believe that a smaller channel is any channel under 100k. I dont really agree with the 30k deal, since I have 33k and still REALLY struggle with views, growth, and recognition.
Amen.
I was literally thinking about this the other day! I was watching small youtuber recommendation videos and realised if I did my own I wouldn't know where to draw the line for a 'small youtuber' because it's so subjectiveve :/ Getting reccognition from youtube at 100K is a good point, and I think that's probably a sensible figure.
It's so tricky to define due to different youtube viewing habits aswell. I watch a lot of small youtubers, some with even less subs than myself, so would probably have a lower threshold than my friends who only watch lots of big youtubers.
Right! Which is something I need to keep in mind as I have this conversation more. I too watch a lot of smaller people so it pushes my boundaries more.
In my book, I see 50K and below as "smaller RUclipsrs" now, which is kind of insane to think about. But there's tiers of smaller RUclips, but I don't know how helpful it would be to have terms for those tiers. There's also some channels with a million subscribers that are getting less interaction than smaller RUclipsrs below 100K or even 50K. Smaller RUclips has become kind of like a feeling rather than a technical community of people. Things that feel small RUclips are kind of just things that were what RUclips was circa 2007-2008. Great video, Mary!
I also think it's important to consider how many actual views per video RUclipsrs are getting. There are a lot of people with 100k subscribers who get less than 10,000 views per vid, whereas someone with under 100k might get way more views on their videos. Also, for me I definitely have a lot of "hate subscribers" who only subscribe to post nasty comments and dislike my videos. Not to say I'm a teeny tiny youtuber but it definitely affects my experience on RUclips.
SCHOOL IT, MARY yus
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I can't remember who made it, but I saw a video recently about their favourite smaller youtubers, but I didn't watch it because 1) Plenty of the people in the thumbnail had over 100,000 subs and 2) I had already heard of plenty of them. I would say that around 30,000 or less is definitely a smaller youtuber. I wish they would get more recognition!
Right, and it was videos like that that made me want to make this video
Thank You for not making a height joke. I would've unsubscribed.
gross
I feel like there should be more categories. I am often involved in the smaller RUclipsr discussions but I eventually stopped commenting because I even felt excluded from that conversation... 10k subs? Jesus. to me that is a pretty decent amount. if anything the people near 1mil or over are no longer RUclipsrs but TV show hosts.
Thisssss. Truth!!!
I usually define small RUclipsr as someone who has less than 10,000 subscribers.
For me I recognize different 'tiers'. 0 - 1,000. 1,001-10,000. 10,001 - 100,000. 100,001 - 1,00,000. Million plus. I'm in that second tier at 4,700. I have a friend that started out with fewer than me and now has something like 650,000. He no longer has to have a day job.
I think it does really depend on the person and the youtubers that they're watching. If someone is primarily watching creators with over a million subs, they're going to think 100k is small. I watch some "big" ones, but mostly the youtubers I watch are less than 100k. So I tend to think of a small youtuber as someone with less than 15,000 or so. I definitely agree that it's kind of disheartening as a tiny creator to hear people with 100k referred to as "small."
Interesting perspective about what sub numbers the people you watch are at contributing to the conversation!
Yeah, 100k subscribers is when I think of someone as a medium youtuber. Like, why don't people use that phrase more? Small/Little RUclips =
maybe we should start a medium size youtuber movement
Mary Akemon I bet you could make it happen. You can make ANYTHING happen!
bhaha thanks Paul
I think, usually, I think of smaller youtubers as 30k> and medium is like 100k-30k. Idrk.
I generally think of anyone with less than 50/30k subscribers to be smaller RUclipsrs, depending on how much of their audience regularly watches their videos. That being said, it's hard to group someone with 50 thousand subscribers in with someone who has like
It's so frustrating!!! You took all the thoughts from my head!
lol me and @tunedindrake on RUclips have been debating this recently glad u made this video on it , we think 30k or less is small and these 100k people r way bigger than a small youtuber
You're welcome! I'm glad you could stubble on this right when you were talking about it
yup yup yup yup
ya true
i've never really thought about it but i think i define small youtubers as less than around 30k. i know 10k is the point where you have access to more things and blah blah, but generally with the "small youtube community" i think it's less than 30k from what i've noticed. but to say 30k-150k is medium and then 150k+ is big is weird too because that puts 150k and 10mil in the same category and that's strange haha. i dunnooo guess it is all down to how people personally feel but yeah i'd say 30. long comment
At the rate Alex Day's subscriber count is falling, he'll soon be eligible to be on the small youtuber panel.
YIKES
Different rankings.
utube's
10K means u can use Utube space facility anywhere.
100K means recognition of silver play button.
1M means gold p b.
10M means diamond p b.
socialblade's (approx.)
a small channel may get c-
a channel of 80K may get b-
a channel of 300K may get b+
43M may get a++
If too many hit 10M then smaller channels will suffer a collective downgrading.
Well from what I understand social blade's rankings are based on a lot of things, not just subscribers. And RUclips's rankings are brand new- they don't change anything, not really. Everything they instituted with the new ranking system has been in place for years now, they just uped the space requirement from 5k to 10k.
More channels have higher subbie nos. now.
Case. Booktube.
May '13 No. of channels >5K = 18.
July '16 No. of channels >10K = ~75
Growth = everything is in a state of flux.
re socialblade. Yes, not everything is based on subbies. That's why I wrote "äpprox."
yehyehyeh goodgoodgood
Start giving *reactions* on Indian movie trailers. I'm not kidding. It's a _Easy money_ . RUclips-search it if u don't blv. 😉
DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO GOVIND
+Mary Akemon OK. I WON'T TELL U WAT TO DO. AND I'M SORRY.