I own the LAIV Harmony DAC, before that i was using a SMSL VMV D2R ($999 USD). The difference is gigantic. It is like listening to a whole other system. The sound stage is enormous and the details oh the details are all there. It's as if someone moved the microphone a little closer to the artists, that's the best way to describe it. The other thing I hear is what I call a "SLAM", it's basically the ability to reproduce that initial louder "edge" when the guitar is plucked or when the drum is hit. I have a very highly resolving system, and I think that helps me notice the differences.
I definitely didn't find the Harmony to lack energy, attack or slam either. It's got a little less than some other DACs, but it's not soft and smoothed over like many R2R designs (e.g. Ares II and, to a lesser extent, Pontus II)
Hi! I too picked up a LAiV Harmony, and compared head to head with my Pontus DAC. I'M IMPRESSED. Slightly larger and clearer soundstage, warmer but still detailed presentation, and certainly MUCH easier to change (or VIEW!) settings with. The warmth works nicely with my Susvara, and doesn't muddy sound from my Burson Soloist GT. (I'M JEALOUS of your Voyager!) 😅 But in truth, I do not consider the Harmony a "giant-killer". Instead, I believe it to be one of the best options in the price segment it resides within. It's not going to outperform a Rockna, or higher-end DAC. But i can't think of a DAC I've heard below $4k that outdoes it clearly. Simply different flavors of similar levels of performance from the best, and you CERTAINLY can hear worse!
Owning the Pontus, would you still purchase the LAiV? Or would you say it’s a minor improvement? I’m in a similar situation and wondering how much better can it be vs my Pontus 2.
@@ranelime I do not regret my purchase. My Pontus is GREAT. It has been my benchmark for the last 3 or so years... But the differences are notable in use (Screen for one, no special combo-presses of buttons to change options - LAiV Harmony has MENUs! ...Also, it cannot be ignored that the I2S connection auto-configs itself rather than hoping that your components have the right jumper combinations to match your source.) And as for sound, while not "night and day" causing me to feel like I've been missing out with the Pontus, I hear better detail, and a more "liquid" quality to the audio signal giving a more analog sense to the music. BOTH are "laid-back DACs", so don't expect a sudden change to a livelier sense to your music. But the Harmony feels a bit deeper in bass, slightly wider soundstage, and more emphasis on the mid-range. The highs are similar... Different, but I'd not categorize either as "better". I'm not sure if the Harmony would be my clear preference over a Terminator Plus or better, but I like the sound that I'm getting from it after ~ 200 hours of continuous burn-in with a rotating playlist. Not SURE that it was needed, but I figured why not?
@tychovanveldhuisen1809 Sadly, I have NO idea. (See my comment about the benefit of a SCREEN on the Harmony) I've never updated it, so I would assume "factory default". The comments about the sound changes after each update didn't sound like what I was after (I like the current characteristics) so I never felt the need to hook my Pontus up to a PC.
Interesting additions with the Yggy and then HQ Player. The new version of HQ Player 5 works quite well with the RME ADI-2 as the creator uses it. Connected to an AKM chip the results are really lovely. Nice review here.
Thanks for your review, I always enjoy watching you and the insights you bring to these conversations, even though I'm probably never going to change my DAC set up now, for me its end game (Chord Hugo TT2 with M scaler). I always used to think over sampling was a free win, but more critical listening has left me understanding that poorer over-sampling has some costs , specifically in textural ability from upper bass to mid range and in terms of spatial stability of image. The greater sense of 'air' and width to the image in the higher registers is not a no cost item for many designs. In my own set up I used several streaming transports which offered over sampling and ended up not using it on any of them with the Hugo TT2. Its only when I finally got to listen to the M scaler that I heard all the benefits and noticed no draw backs. I'm sure that's going to be different for everyone, and highly dependent on the hardware, but I'd urge people to not ignore NOS modes, as for some systems and some ears, that's the best way to listen :) It does seem like this unit offers plenty to like for the money they are asking and I applaud their attention to detail in terms of design, I think this little unit will make a lot of people happy.
I agree that simplistic upsampling as done by many systems isn't necessarily good although it's often better in R2R style DACs, I find (all subjective though). Thanks for letting me know you enjoy my videos!
Thanks for sharing. I had the Cyan on my radar, but the lack of reviews of the reviewers I trust the most (like this one) made me a bit suspicious. What is the largest improvement the Laiv has over the Cyan in your opinion?
I own the Harmony DAC and it is now part of my reference setup. Nothing at this price point compares. I’ve owned the May, Spring 3 and Wavedream DAC. This beats them all.
This review may have sealed the deal for me to venture into digital bliss. I went from being ready to buy a Gustard R26 to this. If I wait any longer it's bound to be something much more expensive. I jumped at the SMSL SU-1 DAC becuse, why not? I'm just blue collar after all....but I know the love of music very well. :)
Thanks for the grounded and concise review of this hyped DAC. Does the Cen.Grand DSDAC you previously reviewed trump the Harmony in resolution or tonal richness (warmth)?
Would be an interesting review of the holo cyan 2. Although it’s cheaper, everyone seems to love it and compare it with more expensive equipment. HQ player is an improvement for the cyan 2 too. It seems that it’s timing is impeccable. On the other hand if spring was meh, how would this be good enough for a comparison?
@@PassionforSound Makes sense considering the price. One reviewer said that denafrips venus 2 is better but with dynamic faster music like electronic cyan 2 is better. Holo r2r seems to be better in the time domain from the rest r2r makers.
Great balanced review thanks Lachlan. 👏🏻 Cheers from NZ. I’ve been trying unsuccessfully over on HF for a few weeks to cajole fellow LAiV owners into trying HQPlayer oversampling so🤞🏼 your positive review and insights around HQP might just do it! For what it’s worth in my system high quality USB from the very good LHY UIP USB regenerator/reclocker (which BTW some folk use to improve the USB outputs of their Eversolos, and others with great results on even the classy Holo May, Terminator and CenGrand DACs) comfortably beats I2S from the Gustard U18 DDC. Did the same with the R26, was the best sound I managed to get from it even better than streaming direct to its internal HQP NAA, the previous reigning R26 champ input after much experimentation with DDCs.
Nice! I have always had a soft spot for an R2R DACs. At some point I would love to hear LAiV Harmony. But - I am completely in love with my Geshelli Labs Dayzee DAC! It is a fully balanced AKM 4499/4191 DAC - which is essentially a multibit chipset. And it has upgradable op-amps - I used the stock TI OPA1655 units for several months (and used a 12V 50W linear power supply), and it is the best DAC I have ever heard. Now, upgraded to the Sparkos SS2590 discrete op-amps, it better still!
I'm hoping to receive a Dayzee soon and can't wait to do some big comparisons with the Harmony, Yggy+ and Aero DACs. Glad to hear you're enjoying the Dayzee so much!
@@chrisnash3782 the MSRP is $60 each (it requires 8) but you can get at least 15% off by signing up for their very infrequent emails. They run 25-30% sales from time to time. I got mine during a 25% off sale. It is a significant upgrade, as is using a good 12V linear power supply. I would do the LPS with the stock op-amps, and then get the SS2590 on sale.
@@KXP70 My first DAC was the Schiit Bifrost 2, which was later upgraded to the 2/64. I have had a Modius, the Denafrips Ares II which then later got the first firmware update. I have had the Geshelli J2 AKM 4493, and the J2S 4493, and the J2S 4499. The J2S units got Sparkos SS2590 in the single ended output, and SS3602 in the balanced. All the Geshelli DACs were used with linear power supplies.
Always loved your comparative reviews ad useful. Was the Yggy MIB given a good warm up for days? And if am not mistaken that you tried the preferred Unison USB input of Yggy ? I had the Yggy Unison in my secondary system but stuck with Gungnir Unison MB eventually for smaller form factor and a bit forward euphonic sonic character than the Yggy. Looking forward for your review on the Yggy tough 😊
Yggys don't need days of warm-up. They're using silicon chips, not highly thermal sensitive resistor ladders. Goldensound did a video about this ages back if you'd like any measurements on the topic. 🙂
Thank you for the very detailed review! Not sure if you also noticed this but if you leave the Laiv in its I2S "Laiv" mode with the Eversolo A8 (which is its auto detect mode?) IT FLIPS THE LEFT AND RIGHT CHANNELS (maybe just for me.) In order for me to get it working correctly with the Eversolo A8 and I2S, I had to manually set it to Mode 5. Obviously everything improved with the channels mapped correctly and I think given the ALIV mode is said to be auto, I could see a lot of people missing this (or maybe it was just me it did this with.) Thanks gain for the review!
Thanks for that tip - I hadn't noticed that, but it would be important for those listening to genres like classical where there are often expected locations of instruments.
Thanks for the review Lachlan. - I2S uses the clock of the source IIRC - so that the case, I2S being the best connection highly depends on the source quality.
With I2S input on the LAiV there's two clock options to select from - external/source over I2S or LAiV internal clock. But agree, yes when external/over I2S is selected the quality of the sending device is an important factor. I guess Lachlan compared internal vs external.
@@PassionforSound quite a lot of reviewers seem to prefer it to the May... I have the possibility to get a used May for the same price of a new LAiV, perhaps the May L2 is the better buy then?
Do you mean the style of the reviews? Because you said the review was still substantially excellent, I wasn't sure if you were referring to something else.
Hi Lachlan, Absolutely love your reviews. However I, like titntin5178, have as my current set-up the Chord Hugo TT2 with M scaler (plus TToby Power Amp) is an end game: until the time that the set-up fails on me. And why should it? But I love seeing what's new and your communication is great!
Hi, my dac is Master 7 singularity with di20 form AUDIOGD. I use a8 as streamer e combo with its dac...colud be the Laiv better than Master 7? I have to continue tu use di20 interface to reduce jitter? Is it good clock inside or it is better a good external clock? Wondering on waweligh Rockna...but I've read Laiv is better...ps I have over 4000 sacd I've turn on .iso files...dsd is concìverted by Laiv dac or is it native? thanks
I use the Matrix Audio X-SPDIF3 and use I2S with my PS Audio DAC from my streamer (Auralic) and it adds a lot over direct connect. I2S needs to be on more gear moving forward
@@PassionforSound both of it ..I already see but forgot what's the name of the model... it's will correct the frequency which you want to used whether regular/high end IEM/HEADPHONES & SPEAKERS..
@jaybrodnax I think HQ Player will output to DLNA and similar receivers which the A8 is compatible with, but best to check what HQ Player can output to. I know I've used HQ Player's network output with other devices, but can't recall what they were.
I think it would. I didn't get to compare them directly, but the Yggy OG was a little better than the R26 and the Yggy+ is a little better than the Yggy OG. The Harmony is on the same level as the Yggy+ so it will be better than the R26. I can't describe the exact differences with trying them side-by-side, but there will be improvements with the Harmony.
You mentioned you streamed from the A8 to the Laiv, did you experienced any noise or distortions? I unfortunately gets distortion from the i2s out (yes selected the right pinouts) so had to stick to USB.
Hey Lachlan, Have you ever listened to a higher end DAC based on the TDA1541A chip like the Audial S5b? There doesn't seem to be any reviews of DACs like this even though they are considered end game by many. I wonder how the sound from these DACs would compare to something like the Harmony.
@@edwardbit8225 It's so hard to trust reviews, since all reviewers have their own interests at heart. But they are needed in the hobby at the same time... It's strange why he didn't compare it to the TT2 that he has... Oh well...
Oddly, I am convinced we all have our own interests at heart. Hopefully we have the interests of others in mind as well. Here’s to positive thoughts. ❤
I understand it, but I also own lots of gear with 4 feet and none wobble because my desks and benchtops are flat. I actually find that using three feet makes devices less stable if you happen to put any weight on the wrong corners of the devices while connecting/disconnecting cables.
@@PassionforSound outch, too bad haha. Not great to hear though… It would have been nice to know what’s your take on the holo cyan 2 since you didn’t like the spring, but you did like the holo May. The Cyan 2 is apparently soundind similar than the Holo May ! May be some nice guys here can borrow you a Cyan 2 so you can review it ! Nice videos by the way, please continue :)
You can still get a Yggy+ gs2 for 1799 on schiits website, hard to imagine anything beating that unit at that price. Harmony sounds cool if you want that presentation.
@@PassionforSound www.schiit.com/products/yggdrasil-gs2 That one there. Uses Analog 1 cards. Not sure how different the sound is from the less is more current option but saves $500. I agree with you that typically I find the r2r dacs to be a bit too soft and the schiit stuff sitting in between the r2r and delta dacs to be the way to go.
That would be a very interesting comparison. I don't have a Qutest anymore, but suspect it would be a question of preferences and features as to which is better.
Interesting presentation. I'm in the process of buying a dac, I've looked around at stores, RUclips reviews, etc. I buy in tango up to a maximum of 1500€, because I don't think there's any point in spending more. I am most convinced by chord qutest, simple, without unnecessary fancy functions... but what would be your advice?
I haven't directly compared them, but I suspect it would be a sidestep rather than an upgrade (unless remote control, display, balanced outputs and IIS inputs are valuable to you) 🙂
Hi, Do you think LTA Aero is better than the Laiv? I just received the Harmony 2 weeks ago ans still comparing it with the Holo Audio Cyan 2 and the Merason Frerot. Thanks
I don't have the R26 anymore to compare them, but it would be interesting. The design and interface of the Harmony is WAY nicer, but sonics are harder to gauge from memory.
@@PassionforSound then you know it’s better,the one I own a gustard r2r and a gustard ddc,i2s out to my dac compared a laiv standalone in my system the difference was very noticeable since than the new laiv my friend bought is now replaced with a gustard and he has a ddc on order we took the ddC out of the equation and the difference was not that much but for the money the two gustard products are still cheaper than the laiv and in the test we used i2s out on both
I haven't compared them directly so I can't comment on the performance. It makes sense that adding the DDC would improve the sound. Did you test the Harmony also with IIS input from a DDC or similar high quality source?
It's a keeper as the best R2R DAC I've tried that I could justify to keep. Something like the May is better of course, but too large and expensive when I prefer the TT2 and now the DAVE. The size, design, price and performance of the Harmony is a real sweet spot.
@@PassionforSound I paired my Harbeths with Tellurium Q Black II cables, per your advice in one of your previous videos. :) If you ever have a chance, try them with Tellurium Q Silver II. It makes them brighter and more dynamic at a cost of a little less pronounced midrange. It was a very interesting thing to me, but turned them into a different speaker, so i sticked to black II
Thank you gorgeous the lovely review! Would you say its worth going for the LAiV, if you have a Pontus 2? How does these two compare? Thanks for the help!
I’d suggest checking out the reviews from new Harmony owners on LAiV’s product webpage, the one you land on when you click the ‘buy’ link. A decent number have come from Denafrips DACs.
I haven't compared them directly, but know that the Pontus 2 was in the same performance range as the Yggy OG. The Harmony is in the same performance range as the Yggy+. Therefore, I'd say the differences will be subtle but in favour of the Harmony. It will also come down to the sound you like because the Pontus is a smoother sounding presentation while the Harmony is closer to neutral with a little warmth
Was looking forward to this review. Leaves me more intrigued than resolved in a decision between the Harmony and other dac's like the Yggdrasil. I go back to my position that dac's are more of a sideways move than an improvement. Seems it still comes down to your preferred flavor and tastes in looks and features. I have the RME ADI-2 PRO FS R BE (not the dac version) and the more I listen the more satisfied I am. Especially with all the features that it offers. Good review. Seems you like it yet are let down by all the hype that came before you got it in your hands. I like the Harmony's build quality and features and an upgrade path for future technology. I can agree with some that feel the gold accents seem blingy, yet if you look at Asian decor, it is rather toned down from a lot of the things they do as far as color and contrasts. I like it and feel it has just enough flash not to be overstated. I am left still looking for a new dac. I am fortunate to have several systems and can use several dacs. Still have 2 Schiit Gungnir and a Modius. Still looking at used Mola Mola Tambaqui. Once again good review stillnleaves me personally on the fence lol. Take care sir.
I can understand that. I REALLY like the Harmony, but it doesn't clearly stand above some of the excellent competition like the Yggy+ MIB and I suspect the Geshelli Labs Dayzee will have a horse in that race too. Then there's the Linear Tube Audio Aero DAC which is also wonderful for a little more money, but it's also limited on features if you're looking for more than a basic set of inputs and compatibility up to 192kHz.
ok maybe we have a problem here... how is possible you think this Harmony is so fantastic sounding dac and Hans Beekkhuysen think it is an nice-looking-average-sounding hardware (to be polite)? ruclips.net/video/5Gg9HQvg-u8/видео.html
I think we're all different and expectations come into it too. I think there are slightly better sounding DACs available at a similar price (e.g. Yggy+) but not by a huge margin and the size, interface and features of the Harmony makes it a great option IMO. The use and interactions with a DAC are as important (or more) than the absolute sound quality in many cases (so long as the sound is very good)
I'm not normally into gold, but the Harmony looks classy IMO. I share this because sometimes things look better in person than in images/videos. I don't find it particularly blingy when setup on a desk and really enjoy its aesthetic.
It's amazing how the outside looks can influence people to imagine better sound. I have the Pontus, Terminator Plus and IGGY. Now the LAIV Harmony. What a disappointment. It doesn't compare to ANY of my other DACs, except for looks.
I know there is a huge difference in sound comparing class D amp to class A amp. how much more of a sound do you get from a thousand dollar dac vs three sound dollar dacs
I own the LAIV Harmony DAC, before that i was using a SMSL VMV D2R ($999 USD). The difference is gigantic. It is like listening to a whole other system. The sound stage is enormous and the details oh the details are all there. It's as if someone moved the microphone a little closer to the artists, that's the best way to describe it. The other thing I hear is what I call a "SLAM", it's basically the ability to reproduce that initial louder "edge" when the guitar is plucked or when the drum is hit. I have a very highly resolving system, and I think that helps me notice the differences.
@@juanchakra I am an owner of Geshelli dac with akm 4499 chip and sparkos and my amp is aune s17 class A amp. And I also use studio monitors with the s17 as a pre amp. I know I have a really good sound but I really curious about more expensive gear. I guess the journey is endless Lots of apps. Thanx for respond brother
I’ve had the Harmony a couple weeks and am coming from a Soncoz SGD1 and Chord Mojo 2. My experience is that the difference is night and day (as it should be) in terms of refinement, smoothness and soundstage. Details are also noticeably better but not something I’m as blown away by since chip/FPGA DACs are quite good in this regard.
I own the LAIV Harmony DAC, before that i was using a SMSL VMV D2R ($999 USD). The difference is gigantic. It is like listening to a whole other system. The sound stage is enormous and the details oh the details are all there. It's as if someone moved the microphone a little closer to the artists, that's the best way to describe it. The other thing I hear is what I call a "SLAM", it's basically the ability to reproduce that initial louder "edge" when the guitar is plucked or when the drum is hit. I have a very highly resolving system, and I think that helps me notice the differences.
Glad you posted this because I was getting the impression from others that the Harmony had a more laid back presentation and no slam
@@juanchakra sometimes jewelry does not make a product sound good
I definitely didn't find the Harmony to lack energy, attack or slam either. It's got a little less than some other DACs, but it's not soft and smoothed over like many R2R designs (e.g. Ares II and, to a lesser extent, Pontus II)
@@PassionforSound 👍
Please share your system equipments?
Hi! I too picked up a LAiV Harmony, and compared head to head with my Pontus DAC. I'M IMPRESSED. Slightly larger and clearer soundstage, warmer but still detailed presentation, and certainly MUCH easier to change (or VIEW!) settings with. The warmth works nicely with my Susvara, and doesn't muddy sound from my Burson Soloist GT. (I'M JEALOUS of your Voyager!) 😅 But in truth, I do not consider the Harmony a "giant-killer". Instead, I believe it to be one of the best options in the price segment it resides within. It's not going to outperform a Rockna, or higher-end DAC. But i can't think of a DAC I've heard below $4k that outdoes it clearly. Simply different flavors of similar levels of performance from the best, and you CERTAINLY can hear worse!
I’ve owned the Holo May and Rockna Wavedream- I personally prefer the Harmony DAC over them.
Owning the Pontus, would you still purchase the LAiV? Or would you say it’s a minor improvement?
I’m in a similar situation and wondering how much better can it be vs my Pontus 2.
@@ranelime I do not regret my purchase. My Pontus is GREAT. It has been my benchmark for the last 3 or so years... But the differences are notable in use (Screen for one, no special combo-presses of buttons to change options - LAiV Harmony has MENUs! ...Also, it cannot be ignored that the I2S connection auto-configs itself rather than hoping that your components have the right jumper combinations to match your source.) And as for sound, while not "night and day" causing me to feel like I've been missing out with the Pontus, I hear better detail, and a more "liquid" quality to the audio signal giving a more analog sense to the music. BOTH are "laid-back DACs", so don't expect a sudden change to a livelier sense to your music. But the Harmony feels a bit deeper in bass, slightly wider soundstage, and more emphasis on the mid-range. The highs are similar... Different, but I'd not categorize either as "better". I'm not sure if the Harmony would be my clear preference over a Terminator Plus or better, but I like the sound that I'm getting from it after ~ 200 hours of continuous burn-in with a rotating playlist. Not SURE that it was needed, but I figured why not?
Thank you for your insights! My I ask what firmware you have on your Pontus? Thanks!
@tychovanveldhuisen1809 Sadly, I have NO idea. (See my comment about the benefit of a SCREEN on the Harmony) I've never updated it, so I would assume "factory default". The comments about the sound changes after each update didn't sound like what I was after (I like the current characteristics) so I never felt the need to hook my Pontus up to a PC.
I love the design, if it had a built in PEQ I probably would have bought it, but since it doesn't I'm keeping my RME.
You may wish to try HQ Player 5 with the RME AdI-2 as well. Quite a match.
Interesting additions with the Yggy and then HQ Player. The new version of HQ Player 5 works quite well with the RME ADI-2 as the creator uses it. Connected to an AKM chip the results are really lovely. Nice review here.
Such a beautiful looking piece. Build is end game and the design is superb.
Absolutely!
Thanks for your review, I always enjoy watching you and the insights you bring to these conversations, even though I'm probably never going to change my DAC set up now, for me its end game (Chord Hugo TT2 with M scaler).
I always used to think over sampling was a free win, but more critical listening has left me understanding that poorer over-sampling has some costs , specifically in textural ability from upper bass to mid range and in terms of spatial stability of image. The greater sense of 'air' and width to the image in the higher registers is not a no cost item for many designs.
In my own set up I used several streaming transports which offered over sampling and ended up not using it on any of them with the Hugo TT2. Its only when I finally got to listen to the M scaler that I heard all the benefits and noticed no draw backs.
I'm sure that's going to be different for everyone, and highly dependent on the hardware, but I'd urge people to not ignore NOS modes, as for some systems and some ears, that's the best way to listen :)
It does seem like this unit offers plenty to like for the money they are asking and I applaud their attention to detail in terms of design, I think this little unit will make a lot of people happy.
I agree that simplistic upsampling as done by many systems isn't necessarily good although it's often better in R2R style DACs, I find (all subjective though).
Thanks for letting me know you enjoy my videos!
I have this dac and got to compare it to the holo cyan 2. The Laiv Harmony is clearly an improvement. Replaced the holo cyan 2 at my place
How much for the used Cyan 2?
@@TriAmpHiFi actually returned it for a refund
What were the differences if you don't mind me asking? LAiV & R26 owner here who was Spring 3 & Cyan 2 Curious before I sprung for the LAiV.
Thanks for sharing. I had the Cyan on my radar, but the lack of reviews of the reviewers I trust the most (like this one) made me a bit suspicious. What is the largest improvement the Laiv has over the Cyan in your opinion?
Thanks for sharing the Harmony vs Cyan 2 thoughts!
Can’t wait for your Yggy MiB review! I own the second production unit BTW!
I'm editing it today!
@@PassionforSound Thanks for the update Lachlan!
I own the Harmony DAC and it is now part of my reference setup. Nothing at this price point compares. I’ve owned the May, Spring 3 and Wavedream DAC. This beats them all.
How does this compare to the wavedream? That’s quite the price tag difference, so quite curious what you think about the Harmony that beats it.
I've had the LAiV a couple of weeks now too, sounds superb, a big step up for my system, but my reference is a bit more modest, the Gustard R26.
@@Whararikihow does the R26 compares to the Harmony? I am thinking of selling my R26
@@BillyKueekSG It is quite a step up. Mainly in the richness and body of the midrange. Soundstage too.
@@Wharariki thanks for sharing. Does the Harmony lacks anything good from the R26?
Great review! Looking forward to your Yggy review.
It's available now for channel members (here on RUclips) and Patreon members. Otherwise, sit tight and you'll get it for free in a couple of weeks 🙂
Absolutely love the look of that dac. Stunning
It's awesome, isn't it?
After a short test with Laiv vs spring 3 KTE . I still Keeping my spring 3 KTE do your own listening before u pull The trigger
This review may have sealed the deal for me to venture into digital bliss. I went from being ready to buy a Gustard R26 to this. If I wait any longer it's bound to be something much more expensive. I jumped at the SMSL SU-1 DAC becuse, why not? I'm just blue collar after all....but I know the love of music very well. :)
The R26 is great too. You honestly can't go wrong either way
Interested in their upcoming GAN amps.
Same
Same
Me too. Hoping I'll get the chance to review them.
Lovely jacket mate!Great combination with the T-Shirt!
Thank you!
Thanks for the grounded and concise review of this hyped DAC. Does the Cen.Grand DSDAC you previously reviewed trump the Harmony in resolution or tonal richness (warmth)?
Yes. I think the DSDAC is the superior DAC and with similar tonal character.
Vinshine has become a distributor for Laiv.
Would be an interesting review of the holo cyan 2. Although it’s cheaper, everyone seems to love it and compare it with more expensive equipment. HQ player is an improvement for the cyan 2 too. It seems that it’s timing is impeccable.
On the other hand if spring was meh, how would this be good enough for a comparison?
Yes, it would be interesting. People have said elsewhere in the comments that the Harmony was better than Cyan 2 to them.
@@PassionforSound Makes sense considering the price. One reviewer said that denafrips venus 2 is better but with dynamic faster music like electronic cyan 2 is better. Holo r2r seems to be better in the time domain from the rest r2r makers.
Great balanced review thanks Lachlan. 👏🏻 Cheers from NZ. I’ve been trying unsuccessfully over on HF for a few weeks to cajole fellow LAiV owners into trying HQPlayer oversampling so🤞🏼 your positive review and insights around HQP might just do it! For what it’s worth in my system high quality USB from the very good LHY UIP USB regenerator/reclocker (which BTW some folk use to improve the USB outputs of their Eversolos, and others with great results on even the classy Holo May, Terminator and CenGrand DACs) comfortably beats I2S from the Gustard U18 DDC. Did the same with the R26, was the best sound I managed to get from it even better than streaming direct to its internal HQP NAA, the previous reigning R26 champ input after much experimentation with DDCs.
Thanks so much for the tip on the LHY!
Nice! I have always had a soft spot for an R2R DACs. At some point I would love to hear LAiV Harmony.
But - I am completely in love with my Geshelli Labs Dayzee DAC! It is a fully balanced AKM 4499/4191 DAC - which is essentially a multibit chipset. And it has upgradable op-amps - I used the stock TI OPA1655 units for several months (and used a 12V 50W linear power supply), and it is the best DAC I have ever heard. Now, upgraded to the Sparkos SS2590 discrete op-amps, it better still!
I'm hoping to receive a Dayzee soon and can't wait to do some big comparisons with the Harmony, Yggy+ and Aero DACs.
Glad to hear you're enjoying the Dayzee so much!
How much did it cost to upgrade to the Sparkos op amps in the Dayzee, and did you think that it was a considerable performance difference?
@@chrisnash3782 the MSRP is $60 each (it requires 8) but you can get at least 15% off by signing up for their very infrequent emails. They run 25-30% sales from time to time. I got mine during a 25% off sale.
It is a significant upgrade, as is using a good 12V linear power supply. I would do the LPS with the stock op-amps, and then get the SS2590 on sale.
What DACs have you had before?
@@KXP70 My first DAC was the Schiit Bifrost 2, which was later upgraded to the 2/64. I have had a Modius, the Denafrips Ares II which then later got the first firmware update. I have had the Geshelli J2 AKM 4493, and the J2S 4493, and the J2S 4499. The J2S units got Sparkos SS2590 in the single ended output, and SS3602 in the balanced. All the Geshelli DACs were used with linear power supplies.
Always loved your comparative reviews ad useful. Was the Yggy MIB given a good warm up for days? And if am not mistaken that you tried the preferred Unison USB input of Yggy ? I had the Yggy Unison in my secondary system but stuck with Gungnir Unison MB eventually for smaller form factor and a bit forward euphonic sonic character than the Yggy. Looking forward for your review on the Yggy tough 😊
Yggys don't need days of warm-up. They're using silicon chips, not highly thermal sensitive resistor ladders. Goldensound did a video about this ages back if you'd like any measurements on the topic. 🙂
I love this channel. 😊
I love to hear that! 🙏♥️
Is Audirvana a good combination too? Anyhow, thanks 🙏 for this review!
Great review as always!
Do we know who the retailer for Australia is yet?
I don't know - sorry. This was arranged directly with LAiV.
I knew you'd love it.
I do wish it had an input for an external clock, mostly because I have one lol
That would be a nice addition!
(Sorry for the slow reply. This comment never showed up in my notifications)
Thank you for the very detailed review! Not sure if you also noticed this but if you leave the Laiv in its I2S "Laiv" mode with the Eversolo A8 (which is its auto detect mode?) IT FLIPS THE LEFT AND RIGHT CHANNELS (maybe just for me.) In order for me to get it working correctly with the Eversolo A8 and I2S, I had to manually set it to Mode 5. Obviously everything improved with the channels mapped correctly and I think given the ALIV mode is said to be auto, I could see a lot of people missing this (or maybe it was just me it did this with.) Thanks gain for the review!
Thanks for that tip - I hadn't noticed that, but it would be important for those listening to genres like classical where there are often expected locations of instruments.
hi, I've A8 too. setting 5 on eversolo or laiv? Thanks
@@a.s.4863 LAIV setting - I2S Mode to Mode 5
Great review....i would love to hear a cyan 2 review to see how it compares to the bifrost 2/64 and yiggy.
Unfortunately, I can't get my hands on Holo Audio gear since my review of the Spring & May
@@PassionforSound can i know why sir? Are they abandon you?
I don't want to say too much because it might affect others as well. All I can say is: ruclips.net/video/xyBJGmj78dY/видео.htmlsi=yeer_EkIOThmlyT5
Oversampling mode seems to be the preferred mode between the different reviewers.
Was it 5 to 1 reviewers or a different ratio of reviewers?
@@TriAmpHiFi All of them!
Yeah, I don't really hear any reason to use the NOS mode unless sending externally upsampled content.
Thanks for the review Lachlan.
- I2S uses the clock of the source IIRC - so that the case, I2S being the best connection highly depends on the source quality.
With I2S input on the LAiV there's two clock options to select from - external/source over I2S or LAiV internal clock. But agree, yes when external/over I2S is selected the quality of the sending device is an important factor. I guess Lachlan compared internal vs external.
That's correct. As discussed in the video, I tested the internal clock vs the DMP-A8 clock and slightly preferred the DMP-A8 clock IIRC
Thanks for the review. But missing comparison with May Dac or TT2.
It's not on the level of either of those. The Yggy+ is a direct competitor and that's not on TT2/May level even though it's excellent.
@@PassionforSound quite a lot of reviewers seem to prefer it to the May... I have the possibility to get a used May for the same price of a new LAiV, perhaps the May L2 is the better buy then?
@ekjellgren I think I'd probably go for the May.
The new slicker cooler you….. I miss the old you. But at least the reviews are substantially excellent.
I'm glad you like the reviews. What do you feel is different about me?
Come one you know how much you changed.
Do you mean the style of the reviews? Because you said the review was still substantially excellent, I wasn't sure if you were referring to something else.
Most likely the style as your reviews have increased professionalism over time.
speaking of the HQPlayer, how does the oversample PCM via harmony's NOS mode compare to the oversampled DSD via Spring, thanks.
I don't own the Spring so I can't compare - sorry
Hi Lachlan, Absolutely love your reviews. However I, like titntin5178, have as my current set-up the Chord Hugo TT2 with M scaler (plus TToby Power Amp) is an end game: until the time that the set-up fails on me. And why should it? But I love seeing what's new and your communication is great!
Thanks for letting me know you enjoy the channel! Great setup too!!
Hi, my dac is Master 7 singularity with di20 form AUDIOGD. I use a8 as streamer e combo with its dac...colud be the Laiv better than Master 7? I have to continue tu use di20 interface to reduce jitter? Is it good clock inside or it is better a good external clock? Wondering on waweligh Rockna...but I've read Laiv is better...ps I have over 4000 sacd I've turn on .iso files...dsd is concìverted by Laiv dac or is it native? thanks
I haven't tried the Master 7 and don't have any SACD files so I can't help there. Sorry.
I use the Matrix Audio X-SPDIF3 and use I2S with my PS Audio DAC from my streamer (Auralic) and it adds a lot over direct connect. I2S needs to be on more gear moving forward
I agree!
Beautiful product that forces Right Hand operation.....
Unless teres a Lefty version??
Hmmm🤔
The power button is perfect for lefties... 😁
@@PassionforSound
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Haha! The PT Cruiser was very popular. I think here are some folks out there who would fight you for dissing it. 😉
LOL. No angry words in the comments so far... 😂
I am angry about high food prices. Back in the day, the styling of the PT Cruiser angered my wife!
Im looking auto correct DAC amplifier (frequency of different output such as headphones and speakers)
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Do you mean one that automatically adjusts to the headphones or speakers? I'm not sure such a thing exists
@@PassionforSound both of it ..I already see but forgot what's the name of the model... it's will correct the frequency which you want to used whether regular/high end IEM/HEADPHONES & SPEAKERS..
Interesting. I haven't heard of that
Thank you for a very good video
I'm glad you liked it!
I love my Laiv Harmony. Too bad one can't use HQPlayer with the A8 streamer.
I think you can. You can output to network devices via HQ Player and the DMP-A8 should allow this IIRC
@@PassionforSound wouldn't the A8 need an HQplayer client app to be recognized on the network? I don't think it does
@jaybrodnax I think HQ Player will output to DLNA and similar receivers which the A8 is compatible with, but best to check what HQ Player can output to. I know I've used HQ Player's network output with other devices, but can't recall what they were.
This DAC is The One...! Hit it and quit! Don't look back! One and done! 😅
Haha. At the price, that's an almost true statement, I think, but the Yggy+ from Schiit might have something to say about that...
I’m using the Gustard R26 in my main system ! I have been considering the LAIV Harmony do you think it would be worth the upgrade?
I think it would. I didn't get to compare them directly, but the Yggy OG was a little better than the R26 and the Yggy+ is a little better than the Yggy OG. The Harmony is on the same level as the Yggy+ so it will be better than the R26. I can't describe the exact differences with trying them side-by-side, but there will be improvements with the Harmony.
Thank you so much! I appreciate your expertise and I will continue to watch and support !
Why would I pay $3,000 for a Eversolo 8 which apparently has an excellent DAC yet not use its DAC.
pre and better transport
I think we badly need more streaming transport options.
@@marlonharewood8366 absolutely most audiophiles want to use their separate dac!!
Yep. The A8 is an amazing streamer with a decent DAC, but a cheaper, smaller version with no DAC would be AMAZING!
@@PassionforSound 100% agree!! It would be a killer product!! With I2S and AES outputs I would buy it hands down!
Great review
Thanks Neil!
You mentioned you streamed from the A8 to the Laiv, did you experienced any noise or distortions? I unfortunately gets distortion from the i2s out (yes selected the right pinouts) so had to stick to USB.
I had no problems at all - it was brilliant. Have you tried a different HDMI cable?
Hey Lachlan, Have you ever listened to a higher end DAC based on the TDA1541A chip like the Audial S5b? There doesn't seem to be any reviews of DACs like this even though they are considered end game by many. I wonder how the sound from these DACs would compare to something like the Harmony.
I haven't tried one of those types of DACs yet, but would love to.
0.05% tolerance is quite normal for modern R2R DACs.
Yes. I was referring to the challenges with the original R2R DACs
Where's the link to your HQ Player overview?
Crap! Thanks for the reminder. I'll put it in the description now.
Laiv Harmony better than the Chord TT2/Dave with M Scaler?
No. It's not even particularly close, but it shouldn't be with the big price difference.
@@edwardbit8225 It's so hard to trust reviews, since all reviewers have their own interests at heart. But they are needed in the hobby at the same time... It's strange why he didn't compare it to the TT2 that he has... Oh well...
@@edwardbit8225 Have you compared them?
I don't own the TT2 anymore, but knowing how the Harmony compares to the Yggy and how the Yggy compared to the TT2, I have an answer right there.
Oddly, I am convinced we all have our own interests at heart. Hopefully we have the interests of others in mind as well.
Here’s to positive thoughts. ❤
The reason for using only 3 feet is to eliminate wobbling.
I understand it, but I also own lots of gear with 4 feet and none wobble because my desks and benchtops are flat. I actually find that using three feet makes devices less stable if you happen to put any weight on the wrong corners of the devices while connecting/disconnecting cables.
No DSD512, which it should for that price tag. So a no-go for me.
What source do you use to deliver DSD512?
@@PassionforSound mostly NativeDSD and 2L Music Store
Just wondering where you bought this from in 240 volt. I can’t find any Aussie supplier.
It was arranged direct with LAiV. I'm not sure what they're doing for Aussie distribution
Hi, you should review the holo audio cyan 2, please 🙏
I can't get access to the Cyan 2 ever since I said the Spring DAC wasn't up to the hype. ☹️
@@PassionforSound outch, too bad haha.
Not great to hear though…
It would have been nice to know what’s your take on the holo cyan 2 since you didn’t like the spring, but you did like the holo May. The Cyan 2 is apparently soundind similar than the Holo May !
May be some nice guys here can borrow you a Cyan 2 so you can review it !
Nice videos by the way, please continue :)
You can still get a Yggy+ gs2 for 1799 on schiits website, hard to imagine anything beating that unit at that price. Harmony sounds cool if you want that presentation.
gs2?
@@PassionforSound www.schiit.com/products/yggdrasil-gs2
That one there. Uses Analog 1 cards. Not sure how different the sound is from the less is more current option but saves $500. I agree with you that typically I find the r2r dacs to be a bit too soft and the schiit stuff sitting in between the r2r and delta dacs to be the way to go.
@robk5745 that's a great deal. It's going to fall a bit short of the current models, but it's a great option for the price
You can update it later for the additional.cost and have a current card@@PassionforSound
Good point!
How do you think it compares with Chord qutest
That would be a very interesting comparison. I don't have a Qutest anymore, but suspect it would be a question of preferences and features as to which is better.
@@PassionforSound just on pure sound quality keeping the features aside
I think the Qutest might win on pure sound quality, but we also need to remember how subjective audio is. 🙂
Interesting presentation. I'm in the process of buying a dac, I've looked around at stores, RUclips reviews, etc. I buy in tango up to a maximum of 1500€, because I don't think there's any point in spending more. I am most convinced by chord qutest, simple, without unnecessary fancy functions... but what would be your advice?
A used Denafrips Ares 2 has been my best value for money. A Chord Mojo 2 is also nice option because its a great dac and a headphone amp in one.
Qutest is the way to go. Buy a used one.
Holo Cyan 2... dac @ its purest form
I think the Qutest is still the best DAC you can buy at its price. I'm yet to hear anything better. I'd say go for it!
Are there service facilities in the US and/or EU?
There's a US distributor, I believe. Not sure about EU.
I want to buy one, but I am asking myself: is it a worthy upgrade from my Chord Quest DAC, or should I wait?
I haven't directly compared them, but I suspect it would be a sidestep rather than an upgrade (unless remote control, display, balanced outputs and IIS inputs are valuable to you) 🙂
@@PassionforSound Thanks 🙏 a lot for this answer! It helps me a lot. Btw: I heard there will be a new mscaler soon, so I will wait and see…
@jos5067 yes, it's been shown at the Munich High End show. I'm excited to try one.
@@PassionforSound Me too! But I think it's a very expensive device. I hope they will update their regular line of DAC's too.
Is the harmony better than your Chord TT ?
Based on subjective comparisons its a No. but ofcourse depends on the sound profile you are looking for.
Yep, the TT2 (which I no longer have) is a comfortably better DAC unless you specifically want a smoother (and less resolving) sound profile.
May I ask what the associated tax on having this unit was having it shipped to Australia?
I can't answer that because it came in as a sample on loan for demo purposes, not a retail purchase.
@@PassionforSound thank you.
Is Coax better then the USB or OPT connection?
Not on the DAC. It could vary depending on your source though
Hi,
Do you think LTA Aero is better than the Laiv?
I just received the Harmony 2 weeks ago ans still comparing it with the Holo Audio Cyan 2 and the Merason Frerot.
Thanks
Yes, I think the Aero is comfortably better. That review is coming soon. 🙂
How does the Cyan 2 compare to the Harmony?
@@PassionforSoundReally looking forward to your review.
Man…. I have the LTA …. And borrowed the laiv… and i prefer that… the LTA doesn’t have a silent background like the Liav….. just an opinion
@@krismccall4911 What are you going to do then?
@@johnratcliffe6438 - I put in an order for the Laiv, ill find a buyer for the LTA
What are your thoughts on the Harmony vs Gustard R26
I don't have the R26 anymore to compare them, but it would be interesting.
The design and interface of the Harmony is WAY nicer, but sonics are harder to gauge from memory.
Try a Gustard r2r
I have: ruclips.net/video/mpOsk7jRt4g/видео.htmlsi=M8-AF5k3nHQl8hyo
@@PassionforSound then you know it’s better,the one I own a gustard r2r and a gustard ddc,i2s out to my dac compared a laiv standalone in my system the difference was very noticeable since than the new laiv my friend bought is now replaced with a gustard and he has a ddc on order we took the ddC out of the equation and the difference was not that much but for the money the two gustard products are still cheaper than the laiv and in the test we used i2s out on both
I haven't compared them directly so I can't comment on the performance. It makes sense that adding the DDC would improve the sound.
Did you test the Harmony also with IIS input from a DDC or similar high quality source?
@@PassionforSound no didn’t know if the pins would line up so I didn’t try
That's understandable, but it also means you haven't necessarily heard the Harmony at its very best.
Looks like a fantastic unit but perhaps sounds a bit mid
It definitely is beautiful. The sound is excellent for the $2,000-$3,000 range, but it's not beating higher end DACs like a TT2 for example.
so is this a keeper for you or it's 50/50?
It's a keeper as the best R2R DAC I've tried that I could justify to keep. Something like the May is better of course, but too large and expensive when I prefer the TT2 and now the DAVE. The size, design, price and performance of the Harmony is a real sweet spot.
Would this dac be too warm for harbeth p3esr xd?
I don't find it too warm, but that will also depend on the amp(s) you're using and even the cables to some degree.
@@PassionforSound I paired my Harbeths with Tellurium Q Black II cables, per your advice in one of your previous videos. :)
If you ever have a chance, try them with Tellurium Q Silver II. It makes them brighter and more dynamic at a cost of a little less pronounced midrange. It was a very interesting thing to me, but turned them into a different speaker, so i sticked to black II
Thanks for letting me know. I hope to try the other TQ cables in the future so I look forward to hearing the differences
Thank you gorgeous the lovely review! Would you say its worth going for the LAiV, if you have a Pontus 2? How does these two compare?
Thanks for the help!
I’d suggest checking out the reviews from new Harmony owners on LAiV’s product webpage, the one you land on when you click the ‘buy’ link. A decent number have come from Denafrips DACs.
I haven't compared them directly, but know that the Pontus 2 was in the same performance range as the Yggy OG. The Harmony is in the same performance range as the Yggy+. Therefore, I'd say the differences will be subtle but in favour of the Harmony. It will also come down to the sound you like because the Pontus is a smoother sounding presentation while the Harmony is closer to neutral with a little warmth
Was looking forward to this review. Leaves me more intrigued than resolved in a decision between the Harmony and other dac's like the Yggdrasil. I go back to my position that dac's are more of a sideways move than an improvement. Seems it still comes down to your preferred flavor and tastes in looks and features. I have the RME ADI-2 PRO FS R BE (not the dac version) and the more I listen the more satisfied I am. Especially with all the features that it offers. Good review. Seems you like it yet are let down by all the hype that came before you got it in your hands.
I like the Harmony's build quality and features and an upgrade path for future technology. I can agree with some that feel the gold accents seem blingy, yet if you look at Asian decor, it is rather toned down from a lot of the things they do as far as color and contrasts. I like it and feel it has just enough flash not to be overstated.
I am left still looking for a new dac.
I am fortunate to have several systems and can use several dacs. Still have 2 Schiit Gungnir and a Modius.
Still looking at used Mola Mola Tambaqui.
Once again good review stillnleaves me personally on the fence lol. Take care sir.
I can understand that. I REALLY like the Harmony, but it doesn't clearly stand above some of the excellent competition like the Yggy+ MIB and I suspect the Geshelli Labs Dayzee will have a horse in that race too. Then there's the Linear Tube Audio Aero DAC which is also wonderful for a little more money, but it's also limited on features if you're looking for more than a basic set of inputs and compatibility up to 192kHz.
@PassionforSound have you listened to the RME ADI-2 PRO FS R BE to compare it? Not the RME ADI-2 Dac.
Just curious?
I haven't. Sorry.
@@PassionforSound no problem
Better than chord dave?
No
@@raymondwebby2441 you've heard both?
No, it's definitely not DAVE level. It's at the upper end of what I'd expect for its price.
ok maybe we have a problem here... how is possible you think this Harmony is so fantastic sounding dac and Hans Beekkhuysen think it is an nice-looking-average-sounding hardware (to be polite)?
ruclips.net/video/5Gg9HQvg-u8/видео.html
I think we're all different and expectations come into it too. I think there are slightly better sounding DACs available at a similar price (e.g. Yggy+) but not by a huge margin and the size, interface and features of the Harmony makes it a great option IMO. The use and interactions with a DAC are as important (or more) than the absolute sound quality in many cases (so long as the sound is very good)
Really dislike all the gold accents. A reason too never buy this dac. Way too blingy.
Me neither. Looks chavvy.
I bought solely because of the gold accents.
LOL - I wonder what you will think when you see the silver version with gold accents ;o)
I'm not normally into gold, but the Harmony looks classy IMO. I share this because sometimes things look better in person than in images/videos. I don't find it particularly blingy when setup on a desk and really enjoy its aesthetic.
@@PassionforSound Ah cool, thanks for responding. Kinda curious too see one in real life now. I do really love R2R dacs so who knows 😀
Way to many ads
I had no ads. The ads are RUclips, and unless you buy RUclips Premium, you'll always have ads
@@crh4878 .
I'm certain if you pay for a subscription service. the Ads will increase by 27%.
@@TriAmpHiFi 😄
Yep, not me serving the ads. Sorry.
Another fomo type of product
Really not worth the money they are charging no matter how good they look
I know your doing retro for your theme but this music is intensely cringey
It's amazing how the outside looks can influence people to imagine better sound. I have the Pontus, Terminator Plus and IGGY. Now the LAIV Harmony. What a disappointment. It doesn't compare to ANY of my other DACs, except for looks.
So is it not as good as Pontus
I'd say it's in the same performance tier as the Pontus, but sounds different.
I know there is a huge difference in sound comparing class D amp to class A amp. how much more of a sound do you get from a thousand dollar dac vs three sound dollar dacs
I own the LAIV Harmony DAC, before that i was using a SMSL VMV D2R ($999 USD). The difference is gigantic. It is like listening to a whole other system. The sound stage is enormous and the details oh the details are all there. It's as if someone moved the microphone a little closer to the artists, that's the best way to describe it. The other thing I hear is what I call a "SLAM", it's basically the ability to reproduce that initial louder "edge" when the guitar is plucked or when the drum is hit. I have a very highly resolving system, and I think that helps me notice the differences.
@@juanchakra I am an owner of Geshelli dac with akm 4499 chip and sparkos and my amp is aune s17 class A amp. And I also use studio monitors with the s17 as a pre amp. I know I have a really good sound but I really curious about more expensive gear. I guess the journey is endless Lots of apps. Thanx for respond brother
I’ve had the Harmony a couple weeks and am coming from a Soncoz SGD1 and Chord Mojo 2. My experience is that the difference is night and day (as it should be) in terms of refinement, smoothness and soundstage. Details are also noticeably better but not something I’m as blown away by since chip/FPGA DACs are quite good in this regard.
Yep, I think the responses above cover it perfectly! Thanks everyone. 🙂
@@PassionforSound audiophiles unite 🤘