Radical changes to Jehovah's Witness preaching reporting
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- The world of Jehovah's Witnesses has been rocked by news emerging from the group's Annual Meeting that rank and file believers are no longer required to tell elders monthly how much time they spend preaching.
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My mom finally starts to somehow believe me because she sees that I have first hand information before her.
Damn rights.. Cause they can't backpedal or weasel their way out of this hole anymore now as much as they will try. No turning back now. Can't be anymore obvious or evident to the masses still, unless the majority of members are willfully blind and continuing to do so in their blind obedience. But even with all this backpedaling by this man made mandate of constant member tracking, reporting, and record keeping, as their entire foundation of keeping control on everyone, it is and will be backfiring, I gather there will still be no apology either.
Lol, why do you stay up with it still. That’s crazy. I would cut off and move on. It gives off I can’t let my ex go vibes.. move on girlfriend
@@isabellarodriguez5982 It's giving mind your own business, Karen. Why are you even here to begin with?
@@isabellarodriguez5982They are talking about their own mother not an ex. Your comment gives illiteracy vibes.
They don't want to publish the decline in door knocking hours.
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
Haven't seen them banging on doors since before lockdown. Now they are simply standing next to their magazine stands, gossiping about each other.
Yeah before covid hit they were all over town knocking on doors. I haven't seen them in my neighborhood since 2020. Bizarre
@@JoelPierce-q4x
They stopped their door to door activity during lockdowns for obvious reasons, and I guess many simply didn't fancy going back to being made to feel like an utter reject by pretty much every household, so society shifted to stands only where they still can preach without being told to get lost. I think that's why active preaching is not compulsory anymore because after two year break not many JWs are keen on spending their Saturday morning on dragging people out of bed after their wild Friday night. What a chore that was. 🤦🏼♂️
oh thank goodness.. now I no longer have to lie about my hours😌
As george costanza once said.....a lie is not a lie.... if you believe it.
As a former JW (left it many, many moons ago), I am amused by this latest turn of events. The organization I left looks completely different from the organization of today. All the things they claimed were really bad are now considered a mainstreamed part of the internal culture.
I left in 1995 having been raised in the cult since I was born in 1964, and was thinking the same thing. Esp. the part about never becoming televangelists which would be a mark that they were not the true religion, stated by the Watchtower in the early 1980s I remember that very well.
@@frankbray9416 - I'm old enough to remember hearing the Governing Body warn Witnesses who wanted to so much as play Kingdom Melodies on their guitars around the campfire, or do musical covers of them. It was practically considered heresy. Imagine my surprise when I heard the "new" Kingdom Melodies, which sound like they were ripped straight off mainstream radio. It's bizarre.
Totally agree. Its not the organisation I grew up in, and for some reason (even though I left years ago) I can't explain why, but I'm slightly sad about that. Maybe its because the people who I knew as a child who worked so hard at Twickenham in the old days were twice the calibre and most now are long dead. They really thought they were doing God's work and their certainly was more tolerance and love amongst the people i knew however misguided.
All the WBTC seem interested in now is money, real estate, being on the telly and TV evangelism and being minor celebrities.
The way they have tantamount robbed hard working congregation members of their halls is beneath contempt.
@@bennypagesaunders6895 Yes absolutely. The elder I studied with in the early '90s died in '95 of cancer and when I visited him in the hospital he held my hand and said if he'd known the system would last this long he'd have done many things differently. I didn't ask him what he meant. Years later in 2017 when my own father was in hospital dying of cancer (terrible thing) he said much the same that he'd been thinking of things he did in life, things he didn't do and things he should have done. Both of them had deep regrets. They'd followed the Watchtower faithfully and it left them bereft. So sad.
@@frankbray9416 I'm really sorry to hear that. It really does make me wonder. I have often reflected on exactly what the ultimate purpose is. My father would say 'it is to make disciples of Jesus '.
I like to think the best of people, but I worry when I hear that Stephen Lett is a millionaire.
It seems to me to be almost a self -perpetuating machine fed by the financial contributions, which will continue as long as the funds are there.
In England there is an old joke that younger Witness couples serve 'where the need is great' because time is running out, and "Armageddon is 'just around the corner;'" Older Witness couples move to the West Country where their need is greater, because their time is running out.
It shows to my mind that many take the GB rhetoric with a pinch of salt. Either don't really deep down believe it or just maybe hope that God will sort it out.
I reckon older people in the Witnesses secretly believe they might get a heavenly reward. Who knows eh?
They are doing this so members won't feel obligated, and maybe won't leave.
They used to push the button very hard when you forgot to give them the report or when the hours were below average. This is precisely the reason why I left. As an introvert, 10 hours of preaching+ all the hours of meetings and conventions and jw social events, were unbearable for me .
@@LoXena me too. It was one of the reasons i could not get baptized that and not locating enough books. Have to say I cried at the time. I REALLY DODGED A BULLET.
I think they are realizing that Society has changed drastically,and the effectiveness of Door To Door Witnessing(and even Cart Witnessing) is not what it used to be.
People aren't as accepting or interested.
Add on the lack of Zeal(😁) of Rank and File Members for "Service" and WT had to scurry to avoid Disinterest and Loss of Control and Influence.
There's Always a Reason behind their Madness.
I spent last night after I heard this news between bouts of crying and anger! All those wasted years where my very worth as a witness i.e how “spiritual” I was, was measured in hours I spent going from door to door. At one time I was seriously ill but because my husband was an elder I just went anyway! HYPOCRISY at the highest levels. 🤦🏻♀️
I am so saddened by this, I almost cried out loud. These people are killers of society. They destroyed my relationship with my family and so much more. It is hypocrisy at the highest level for sure.
From Truth to Trash; 100+ years of doctrinal ’truth’ simply dismissed with the wave of a fat pinky ring finger !
All the reasons, justifications and emphasis for counting time as brought out in various publications, such as in the ‘Organized’ book, for over 100 years is now obsolete ? ! !
Publishers have always been scrutinized, judged, evaluated as to their standing, their spirituality, according to their field-service time.
The Elders and CO’s recommendations for MS’s and Elders appointments was based in large part on whether a brother was meeting the field-service hour requirements. In many instances Low-hour / Single-digit publishers have been judged as being spiritually weak, made to feel guilty and held at arms length for not fulfilling national average expectations.
One’s who may have balked at having to record and report their time and voiced their sentiments as to it just being between themselves and God , have been harshly criticized and were viewed with suspicion of having ‘apostate’ leanings. But now; now that this generation of GB have suddenly changed it, now it’s ok ! ✅ 😃👍✨
All these exjws (I’m amongst their number) getting upset and angry; the anger would be most appropriately directed towards themselves firstly for believing in any invisible deity at all who’s judging them and then towards the gb and others in the hierarchy of this cult of crap.
No one forced anyone to become a member, and don’t start whining about peer pressure or family pressure, etc.
Every so-called christian religion/cult is discussing the minute implications of vagaries in the buybull, which is a book of fables (plus some admittedly decent guidelines for behavior) based upon ancient beliefs from cultures much older than those verses. It’s all moot, as if the placement of a comma, or some other smudge in the ancient scrolls means anything at all 😂… time to grow up, children 😅!
Accept accountability and responsibility for your own lives…or not.
If you didn’t do this out of your love Jehovah but just because of the hours you weren’t doing it for the right reasons
@@Flee-the-matrix - That may be the correct sentiment; HOWEVER :
Publishers have always been scrutinized, judged, evaluated as to their standing, their spirituality, according to their field-service time. There was constant urging from the stage and the ‘Field Service Police’ relentlessly hounded folks for their time reports.
The Elders and CO’s recommendations for MS’s and Elders appointments was based in large part on whether a brother was meeting the field-service hour requirements. In many instances Low-hour / Single-digit publishers have been judged as being spiritually weak, made to feel guilty and held at arms length for not fulfilling national average expectations.
One’s who may have balked at having to record and report their time and voiced their sentiments as to it just being between themselves and God , have been harshly criticized and were viewed with suspicion of having ‘apostate’ leanings. But now; now that this generation of GB have suddenly changed their minds, now it’s ok !
All the grandiose claims, all the reasons, justifications and emphasis for counting time as brought out in various sermons and publications, such as in the ‘Organized’ book, for over 100 years turned out to be wrong according this current GB.
This blatant contradiction & gaslighting is an evident demonstration of how cherry picked scriptures can be spun one way or another, all depending on the prevailing whims & opinions of the leaders manipulating the followers.
The average Jehovah’s Witness will say this is such a blessing from Jehovah.
They won’t see what it’s really about, only that Jehovah is so kind and understanding to his people.
I am very happy for all those very young publishers, the children who were forced to go from door to door.
I was always scared of getting shot or marked by a dog
What an insult to those JW's (my mother for one) who spent their entire lives faithfully reporting their ministry time. Then all of a sudden to be told " fuggat'bout it." That's how important that was. poof..gone. For any JW's who may be reading this, please, please take a long look at this org., and think hard. Again Lloyd, thank you and be well.
Just because people used to do it, and it has changed, does not make it an insult! That's no reason to continue it and it's about time, a ridiculous practice! Everything changes over time, it doesn't mean the past was without meaning.
Given how low that actually translates to new members, paired with need for money in recent years, I am almost surprised the push for what volunteer hours they can get has not shifted to some other activity that made the organization a profit.
When a lifetime is spent doing what is thought to be a valuable task, one that is considered to contribute to a greater global effort, only to have it cancelled, to me is an insult. But I have no skin in this game, just an observer.
Pimo people come into a protective umbrella under which they won't be bullied by those abusive elders.
On the other side, my father NEVER preached, because he didn't want to tell unknown people how to live. This makes me (us), being pariahs in the community. Because my parents are still believers and apply all the stupid rules (like not allowing me to sleep with my GF at their house, still now, I'm 47...).
So I've been raised as a double pariah, a pariah for "worldly" people, defending WT, while inside, a pariah for the JWs. Never been part of "anything" all my youth.
It's been decade I told him: "you are faithful to them but they don't even recognize you as one of them"...
And this new "event" breaks all this logic now... To me it doesn't help, because it will be a "proof" for my parents that Jehovah gives stuff "in due time"...
At last!!! Was waiting for your thoughts about this announcement Lloyd! I thing this is good news for us " the spiritually week faking hours"😂 But a slat in the face for all pioneers and people who devoted ALL their life and thousends of hours in the preach Ministry! Next move has to be....drop the midweek meeting.
Midweek meeting is all about hours ..how to indoctrinate people and how to preach. ❤❤
Thank you Lloyd!
It was too short. Hope he does a complete review of the annual meeting soon. There's a lot to be analyzed! LoL
@@mmhca357 he be itching to weigh in on this despite cutting back on his ex-JW activism. Personally I don’t blame him, at some point after leaving we need to get out and live our best life and distance ourselves from the memory.
Elders can be appointed now at 21 and they don’t even have the old requirement of 10 plus hours a month, I suppose it’s one way of getting the elder numbers up😀
@@Alanhock75they’re getting desperate. And now with what’s going on in Israel, they’re going to jump up and down pointing at that as like the “signs of the end times” like always 😂
Totally agree with the conclusion. This is simply about making it easier to be a JW to keep members, though others can (and in at least one case already have) read more into it.
Finally, some of the pressure will come off the rank and file. No small change.
WT doesn't approve of Small Change. Only Big Bills will do.😉😉😁😂😂🤣🤣
@@sparklecanada0112 bahahahahaha😂🤣😅
@@lindaturner5929 We gotta laugh at WT.(plenty of opportunity given😉😁).
Otherwise, We end up crying; and that's just extra time and mental space they are given that They do not deserve.👎🏻👎🏻🛑
When I was a JW, there is no doubt that the one thing that I disliked the most was the preaching work. And there is no doubt that the majority of JWs now feel the same. With this new light, many, many JWs will be feeling a lot better this morning. But as I've always said, the one new light they are really hoping for is the removal of the shunning policy; if and when that happens, most JWs will simply walk away.
EXACTLY!!!!!
True.
Unfortunately they will never change that policy because that's what they fear the most.
@@stephenlane5139 I'm expecting a new light revelation about shunning, due to national attention and lawsuits. Nothing promotes new light revelations like money and keeping members.
@@CindyinArizonaI not so sure about their rescinding the shunning policy for 2 reasons.
1) The shunning policy is Watchtower’s Berlin Wall, built and maintained not to keep people out but rather to keep them in. They would be right to fear an exodus.
2) If they rescind the shunning policy then they will have to navigate all the resentment that the former policy created. How will they then reach out to those who were victims of this wretched policy? With apologies?? What explanation can they possibly conjure up that would mitigate all the pain caused? Will they admit that they were wrong? Those of us hurt by this unnecessary and hateful practice would likely be unmoved. Modify the policy? Maybe, but the same blowback will likely occur.
This deeply flawed religion is no different than any other in that if they sow hate they will eventually reap irrelevancy.
The ball was going to drop eventually, considering that they lowered the pioneer hours, and dropped the hour requirement during covid.
It's still sinking in, this news. At first I was angry. Now I'm realising how serious this is. This is a huge U turn. There's been little adjustments here and there with "new light" but this is a major change to their practices with a flimsy excuse of a bible principle. I wonder if it'll wake up some witnesses?
Wow! This should greatly de-stress the ordinary, yet conscientious, JW!
100% agree on that.
Wow!! Thankyou so much for that fascinating update, Lloyd. ❤
Thank you Lloyd. My thinking is the same. Tony has retired. But was not fired.
My question would be, is this why Anthony Morris is no longer on the governing body? Maybe he just could not agree on this new policy so he resigned.
My thoughts too, Sanderson has a vision of a televangelist org and Uncle Tony wasn’t having any of it.
I can't imagine Tony Morris resigning... Still think he "was" resigned by consensus...
@@annemariefrank Resigning is just a word for someone to save face. Im sure in reality he was told he couldnt stay on the governing body if he disagreed with this new policy.
Anthony? T-Bone? Resigned? Haha I don't think so... too proud, and arrogant to do something like that.
I think so too! I think as long Tony was in the boat it would not have been possible to implement this change, still remember his speech that he who does not preach every week has blood on his hand!
NIce, now they just need to cancel shunning and we cool.
And the blood issue
I think that they will drop the shunning doctrine as it's becoming counterproductive. Probably say that limited contact is permitted. Naturally they'll spin the adjustment. This may be a minority opinion!
And the unbiblical beard thing, and the not getting higher education thing, and, well, EVERYTHING, about their whole twisted, corrupt cult, PERIOD!!
😂
Don’t hold your breath!
They are desperate and have been bleeding followers for years not having records makes it easyer for them to lie about it
WOW they are getting desperate 😂😂😂😂
LOL ur gonna see soon buddy.
Thank you as always! ❤❤❤
Quick tip -
When you’re ordering a pizza just quote a scripture and call it “phone witnessing”
😂yeah good point. Just don't cut the cheese
The next thing to go is - reporting the memorial partakers - oh ne sure they’ll catalog how many show up for memorial buuuuut they’ll stop paying attention to the partakers ... that’s a stat they don’t want pay attention to anymore
Hi Loyd i was eagerly waiting to hear your thoughts.Thank you so much Loyd.
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Eph 2:8-9
There were some other things in this annual meeting that caught my eye as well. That talk about the timeline of the tribulation seemed like they’re backing off more from claiming they have all the answers. The statement “we don’t know” came up repeatedly.
As far as not turning in time goes they played a clip outlining the history of turning in time. If memory serves me turning in time goes back to the year 1920. So let’s see if I understand this, it took 103 years for that “new light” to reach the GB? But these guys are god’s representatives on earth and Jehovah f’s with them by giving them wrong information and 103 year later it’s “sorry guys, just kidding”.
This religion, the 144,000 doctrine and everything that comes with it was more believable in 1974. At least that’s my excuse for getting converted. That and in retrospect probably a few too many hits of acid before becoming a JW.
I agree. The world was different then and people were more naive. I wouldn't be surprised if the Borg didn't call Tim Berners-Lee the antichrist for allowing us all to have so much information at our finger tips!
StanMNdirt.
So, If that doctrine goes all the way back to 1920; Then, My Maternal Grandfather(JW) would have considered it to be Vital To Survival of Armageddon.😣🤦🏻♀️🤦🏾♂️
😂😂I wonder what HE would have to say about the latest Switcheroo by WT?🤔🤔🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡!
Sorry Gramps, You Were A Cult Chump!🤓
Never forget the April 15, 2010 Watchtower (study edition) which tells us that thanks to Jehovah's "increasing light" the Great Tribulation will arrive before the generation that overlaps the generation that witnessed the year 1914 passes away. This overlapping generation is "not excessively long" and "it has an end." Oooooh, can't wait to read the G.B.'s explanation of the failure of THIS prophecy!
Another channel mentioned that it takes a huge amount of hours to get one new member. If only the pioneers and overseers are reporting time, it will seem like it takes less hours. Kind of makes sense.
They are so glib in changing this practice, after YEARS of guilting everyone into getting in a set amount of hours.
Suddenly, Jehovah says “oops! No hours needed, decades of demand off the table”.
This is mathematically strategic, keep the inactives in. What a cult.
They could have saved me having to lie every month for so long. I used to actually feel guilty about that.
Dang... I would have loved to just have been able to just check a box. No more awkward conversations about spending more time in the ministry. That was the part I hated the most about the cult..
They could be opening up a phycological way to recruit more auxiliar and regular pioneers...
This is unbelievable, how are men going to be approved for position in the congregation if all they are doing is ticking a box to say "yes, I've done preaching", and for that matter, who is checking you are actually doing preaching? You could say you have talked to a work colleague or neighbor, who can disprove it?
If I was still a Witness, of be thinking "thank fuck for that, I don't have to go witnessing any more" and just tick the box while staying at home. I think many will do the same.
Is this the beginning of the end?
Well, shit. I had to put in a lot of hours, thanks JW's for coming to this realization a bit too late.
Me too.😣
I wonder if I can sue for all the days I spent Pointlessly knocking on doors in Minus 18 degree celcius weather?🤔🤔😠😠
Same! 😂
@@sparklecanada0112 jajajaj 🤣🙈🙊😂
Hows your hands looking these days Tony?
Calloused from gardening and doing his own dishes!!! 😂
I was always honest on my hours and rarely ever turned in 10 3-4 was usual for me bc I never believed in the counting of hours can u imagine these men judging anyone! FRAUDS
Millions now living will never exaggerate their service time again 😂🤷♀️
3:44 Like they always say "Blood is thicker than alcohol"- ain't that right Anthony?
It won't be a surprise if they start encouraging going to college because "we need to have witnesses everywhere and in every field"(it's about how big the donations from educated witnesses can be). Also, behaving like an Evangelical church with their singers, dancers, and chorus (only men can be solists, LOL), and do charity works (soup kitchens, hospital aides, ect) because "we need to show faith with works"(more or a PR move).
Stop making crap up.
Jehovie doesn’t like that kinda language tsk tsk repent to your cult… u drone 🤣
Wow, this really is something! I remember when my parents were going through a bad 'spiritual phase' when i was a child and i was told to put 1 hour on my report card so we werent classed as inactive (we were)... so this really is shocking to me. This will really give them no incentive to do the ministry at all now as let's face it, you only went out because you didnt want to be ashamed with your hours!!
I think the service arrangements will still be held, mid week, sat am, etc.,
and everyone encouraged to support as usual.
Rather than appearing mandated, it will be voluntary,
The organization is attempting to appear less controlling, thus less accountable.
Imo the most interesting part of the "breaking news" is the word EXCITING in "the following exciting announcement"! Exactly WHO or WHAT did forbid to make this decision decades ago? They obviously know, that the unbiblical reporting of time was all but not "exciting" for the "rank and file"!
Even though publishers don't have to report hours, the pressure will still be on in regards to blood guilt, etc. That won't change, the guilt trip will continue. I'm wondering how much longer before they back off on the shunning policy because of national attention and lawsuits. Funny how new light seems to correspond with them keeping members and avoiding lawsuits.
Im just thinking, this may just put much more pressure pushing all publishers to pioneer, so then they will be reporting time. If this is the case there maybe more "pushed" to want to leave the org.... just a thought.
Thanks Lloyd 🇦🇺
Tight Pants 👖 Tony…. 4:06
I love how he purses his lips and holds his hands out as he delivers these jaw-dropping arguments 😁
Great job
I'm honestly dieing now to know what my mother thinks of this change, she's always been fond of her report, her bible studies RV etc., unfortunately won't get to scratch the itch because i know better than engaging her on the topic.😅
I hope you're making more videos on this year's 'new light' because I hear there's more mind blowing stuff like the fact that they are relaxing the understanding of when people can 'repent'.
It's astonishingly evident they are trying to become mainstream. And I'm now convinced Tony was made to retire or pushed out by majority vote on changes of doctrines he'd never be putting up with he was too militant for the type of image they want to give.
I'm also still convinced from 2-3 years ago, whenever it was that they invested in the new production studio that they will eventually switch to a monthly subscription model of their contsnt, Netflix style.
I'm perched on my branch waiting with my $$$ maths done 😊
There's been some recovery in terms of total hours, but the grand total for hours of preaching is still down about 25%. It's hard to argue that the work is expanding when you have these numbers to reference. If i was them, I wouldn't want to know either
John Cedars ❤, in spite of all the -ve vibes on your😮personality in the exjw community, your coverage remains unique, I will say, JC leads others follow ❤ kudos.
I think your conclusion is correct, so many of us hated FS!
Looking forward to your commentary on their change of view as to when you need to repent, now it can be as late as the start of Armageddon. Repentance at the last minute includes the disfellowshipped and unbelievers now.
It’s times like this I miss ol Tony
Great to see you Lloyd! 😀 This 💩's 🍌's!!!
Wow,wow and wow shifting the goal post.😮
If jehovah sees Anthony Morris ' hand he would only see alcohol😂
Hopefully, the rule of shunning will also be abandoned at some point. ☺️
Wow! AFTER decades of thousands who struggled to make ends meet because they had to make their time!! All the internal guilt & their ringing of hands as if a felony was committed!!
What is the possible explanation?! So sick of them🙄😬
EXACTLY !!! 😒🤨
I’m shocked wow they must be hemorrhaging bad!
😮😮😮😅we’re fading….. 3:20
Are these new forms what were in the super secret boxes sent out a few months back?
I was wondering that, what date where they due to be opened?
Thanks!
My pleasure! Thanks so much for the kind support
At least we're still doing something ' unlike false religion ' Soon the world governments through the United Nations will turn on false religion signalling the start of the great tribulation '
When will they say Christmas and Easter celebrations are ok
I lost 2 teeth and i need some money from the Tooth Fairy
I expect they realise that it's really people's money they need. Perhaps they hope folk will give more out of guilt that they aren't preaching - and that they'll have more to give because they aren't taking time off work so can earn more
The Bible says preach THE GOOD NEWS OF THE KINGDOM not WARN people
The thing is they know the real true Israelites are coming out more and more.
Well, I've thought for a long time now that Witnesses having to report the number of hours then spend evangelizing was ridiculous. So, in a way I guess I can feel happy that those Witnesses who are not serving in the Pioneer or missionary ranks don't have to do that anymore. I will say that it's rather naïve to expect that your rank-and-file Witnesses will stop proselytizing just because they're no longer required to report the number of hours they spend preaching in public. The indoctrination still runs very deep regardless, and that fact should not be ignored by those of us in the ex-Jehovah's Witness community.
Many Witnesses will probably, if I had to guess, see this a sign that Armageddon is "fast approaching", and that "Jehovah" has His reasons for no longer having the lower-ranking members of the earthly realm of his kingdom report the hours they spend in their public ministry. They'll see this as a "divine" practical reason of some sort rather than a decision that came about as the result of debate that was engaged in solely through human minds. Maybe now some Witnesses won't have to be racked with guilt because of what Tight-Pants Tony Morris III said about Witnesses having "blood on their hands" if they're not out preaching as regularly as the Society wants them to.
Oh, and by the way, Anthony Morris III, for every child that was sexually abused in your denomination who took their life during your time as a Governing Body member because they weren't able to deal with the abuse and never got to see their victimizer brought to justice, for every Witness who has died over refusing a blood transfusion as a result of your denominational policy during your reign as a Governing Body member; For every Jehovah's Witness during your time as a Governing Body member who martyred themselves when undergoing religious persecution under the Society's encouragement at the hands of a dictatorial government, for every LGBT Witness who has taken their life because they can't reconcile their sexual orientation or gender identity with their religion, for every doubting Witness during your time as a Governing Body member who couldn't reconcile their doubts with their faith who fear that they will be punished by God and feel that it would be better to - according to a popular Christian expression - "lay their burden down" by ending their lives; and for every ex-Witness who was shunned by their Witness loved ones during your time as a Governing Body remember that chose to take their own life because they couldn't handle being estranged form their Witness family and friends -- the policies you helped to uphold may have been a factor in this people's deaths, so where does your responsibility, knowing that you're upholding and enforcement of certain policies may have helped add to their misery?
What about the blood of these people that has been shed over the difficulties of reconciling their experiences with their faith or their doubts as a result of policies that you helped to craft or endorsed when you were a Governing Body member? They're still dead. They haven't been resurrected from the grave and we have no way of knowing if they happily exist in some ethereal realm somewhere. As far as we know, they are no more. Their hopes, dreams and potential are gone. Everything they were...is now gone. They no longer have their lives, and you do. Remember that while you go about living your day-to-day life. I hope you go to your grave thinking about these people because many of them are no longer with us as a result of the policies that you chose to enact or to uphold. I hope the memory of these people's deaths and their mortal pain haunt you every day for the rest of your natural life.
*Fuckin' Hell - This is massive news! Thanks for the in-depth breakdown old buddy.*
I wonder how this will affect the future of Service groups and field service arrangements and the coverage of Congregation territory?
Perhaps the GB thinks this will uncover the 'wheat from the chaff' In other words...only the real sheep will still go out regularly without anyone knowing their hours. I guess we'll see.
Subs keep growing
• "Jehovah is simplifying."
• "From now on, your service is between you and Jehovah."
• "The Great Tribulation is about to start soon."
I think it's a good decision. I have always thought that this mandatory preaching is counter-productive and that its net effect is negative in most developed countries. What I mean is that the number of people who leave or do not become Jehovah's Witnesses because of the need to preach is higher than the number of people that are converted as a result of the field service. The change has been overdue and there is no point in forcing everyone to preach.
The field service was probably more effective in the past but it has become useless now. I am quite surprised at people who say that this change is an insult to those who reported their hours in the past. Things have changed, and the Watch Tower Society has reacted to that change.
I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness but I was never baptized. I think it did have a negative impact on my life but I don't feel any hate towards Jehovah's Witnesses and I don't really see why people have to be so hostile.
This change is definitely an improvement for many Jehovah's Witnesses, who won't have to feel any pressure about achieving a random target of doing 10 hours of field service a month. That's the most important thing in my opinion.
Don’t worry , Jesus will still be counting their time and writing it down
Asking for a friend. can you still get forgiven for lack of preching. if you send GB a bottle nice wellaged whisky :)
Do you see blood on your hands? Then Jehovah will take your life lol...Anthony Morris was so entertaining lol
I think they make this new arrangement due to many witnesses have health and economic problem cannot afford national average. Other leaving the organization because they often feel too ashamed to gave too low hour report. I think it's wise they made such decision.
Ooh my God how did this happened when am out of this thing...I hate house to house preaching...sad
Makes you wonder what could be next to ease? Two witness rule, shunning? Probably not those sadly, but still this is a good positive turn for the most active JWs and most certainly PIMOs
So how many hours in service would it take to not be killed for “blood guilt”? Really don’t think that can be measured.
Before I left the JWs in 1995 they NEVER talked about blood-guilt, only the responsibility of spreading the good news like Jesus. The preaching work was supposed to be a feel-good exercise in telling people about God's plans for humanity and the wonderful earthly paradise that was coming shortly.
Remember, it's not you just checking a box. The Elders have their own check box for you too. There's always a system in the shadows.
It won't cause people to come back nor stay in. They need to factor in that humans have the desire to grow and become independent.
Need more of lloyd!!!!
And now with what’s going on at Israel, the current members are going to be more paranoid and “convinced” that the END is coming nearer and nearer. I can already hear them now, even though I haven’t been to a Kingdom Hall for quite some time. But I can just imagine the hysteria they’re having 😂
My sister, who is still involved with the JWs, was absolutely convinced that Armageddon was imminent when the Berlin Wall fell in 1989.
@@frankbray9416 oh man! I can only imagine what her reaction was when the Soviet Union fell a few years later 😃
There was a census taken for the nation of Israel 3 times.
There were only 2 times that God - YHWH ordered a census:
1) Numbers: 1:1-54 - 2:34; 3:1-49 states that God told Moses to take it and to use it to place the Israelites in a specific formation.
2) Numbers: 26:1-63 states that God again told Moses to take another census, this time for dividing land amongst themselves.
3) 1 Chronicles 21:1-28 states that King David ordered a census WITHOUT God's approval.
God saw it as "evil" and punished David AND the nation of Israel SEVERELY because of it.
Therefore, if these Governing Body members, whom they arrogantly refer to themselves as ,
"G.O.D.s" (Guardians Of Doctrine... I'm not making this up) were so inspired by holy spirit, and truly 'guarded the doctrines' of God, why is it, do you think, that for so many years, they forced the "publishers" (JWs who spread the JW literature and doctrines to potential new recruits) to count time on that work?
Also, why is it, that those socalled 'inspired governing body' members also included counting the number of people who attended ANY kind of meeting - AND - counting the NUMBER OF WITNESSES in the entire organization??????
If they were so inspired and so well read in the Bible, WHY, do you think, they ignored the Bible's accounts, hence, warning about doing so??????
These are a mere fraction of the "evil" deeds that JW leaders were/are guilty of before the MOST HIGH GOD they claim to represent.
I’ve been POMO for years now but grew up a JW in the 70s-2000s and could swear there was something Watchtower said at some point about the preaching coming to an end near the beginning of Armageddon or something like that.
Could this “no need for reporting hours” thing be a prelude to a coming declaration that JWs no longer preach?
And await the big bang? Maybe the hotline from above has passed on the message?
I always thought it was just a change to a message of judgement instead of preaching.
@@squaresided Now that you mention it, yeah, I might’ve just remembered it wrong. Or, heck, I may be hallucinating the whole memory - I want to say I remember hearing some elder talking about the doors on Noah’s Ark closing and Noah and his family having to say “too bad for you guys” to any who scrambled to enter the ark after that, and equating that to the preaching work ending because Armageddon was imminent at that point so “too bad” for all the “worldly people” who didn’t heed the JWs preaching before it was too late.
🤷♂️ But, I could be mistaken.
Nope I had the same thought even had a song saying the work is done. Time will tell. I never once considered that I would feel this way about JW, if I'm wrong may God have mercy but their behavior towards me was everything BUT Christian and I was getting mentally ill on top of being physically ill and I had to put my peace and health first. A group off people that were supposed to be a refuge turned out to be my main source of heartache and stress
@@squaresided you are not wrong the preaching was to stop and door shut just the Ark in Noah’s day. 1978-1996 it was a thing
I left in 1988 this isn't the same organisation its now JW Lite.
The entire justification based on the bible to explain and convince JWs to return a monthly hours report was then false? Was a bad interpretation of the bible? How could the "Truth" be wrong? Is it right now?
The jehovah's witness organization is stopping door-to-door preaching because too many Witnesses were being told the truth, when they were standing there giving out their magazines. I think they're trying to pull up stakes and close off the religion so that their remaining members stop hearing contrary information.
My own mother has finally stopped speaking to me. All I ever did was question her. But I told her she could count me as a Bible study.🤷🏾♀️
Wonder if it's to do with GDPR? 🤔
Now the pioneers don’t have lie about how many hours any more,no more being been told by the pious elders that your faith is weak by not doing your preaching work.
What a farce 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Typical fearmongering nonsense incoming from the current monthly broadcast 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Fear mongers
Dadhabinasaaniirratti xiyyeeffachuunkee jabinasaanii akka hin agarre si taasisemoo??
Tony Morris claiming that God sees blood on the hands of those who don’t warn others is infuriating.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if you struggle to understand Watchtowers thinking look no further than the God they claim to worship and serve.
The God they serve will one day run out of patience and literally murder those that haven’t repented and linked up with Jehovah’s Witnesses. Furthermore, the JW’s that didn’t adequately warn others of this reckoning will suffer the same fate.
If this isn’t dishonoring our God and Father by reducing Him to the level of a grudge carrying human I don’t what would be.
Stay tuned for talks highlighting the obligation to participate in the preaching because now that you don’t report hours it will be an even stronger indicator of your sincere desire to ‘serve Jehovah’ because now you’re doing it without human pressure.
FREEDOM of ATHEISTS to SLANDER the CREATOR
All Atheists
are free to oppose and defy what were written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3
that the Creator is the True and Sovereign God.
Atheists are free to insult and slander the Creator as worthless, useless and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God
FREEDOM of RELIGIONS to SLANDER and INSULT the CREATOR and HIS CHRIST
Jehovah's Witnesses, ex- JWs, Mormons, SDAs, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world who freely and willingly chose to worship the Father of Lies and Murderer of Human beings and believe the teachings of the Pastors and Leaders of Religions about "Armageddon", "Trinity", "heaven and hellfire", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
are
free to slander and insult the Creator and Jesus Christ as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected and free to reject too the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their lives and existence
FREEDOM of the CREATOR to REWARD and HONOR all FOLLOWERS of HIS CHRIST
All persons on earth who freely and willingly chose to honor and obey the Creator as their loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father in obedience to what were written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3 and believe the authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" in their obedience to what were written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25. 26
will
be freely, willingly, and happily honored and rewarded by the loving, kind, and merciful Creator with ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without liars, deceivers, slanderers, traitors, perverts, and murderers as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4, 8.
FREEDOM of JESUS CHRIST to RESURRECT BACK to LIFE all WORSHIPPERS of the CREATOR
All human beings have no immortal souls and just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 ; 9: 5, 6
but
loving, kind, and respectful worshippers of the Creator who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's disciples and followers, and many others will not remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever, instead,
in the Creator's right and proper time and as written in John 11: 25, 26,
Jesus Christ will freely, willingly, and happily RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@formerjw3874,
"Stay tuned for talks highlighting the obligation to participate in the preaching because now that you don’t report hours it will be an even stronger indicator of your sincere desire to ‘serve Jehovah’ because now you’re doing it without human pressure."
I would largely agree. And I think that's a fairly reasonable conclusion to come to. The proselytizing activities of the Witness faith are certainly going to continue. To think otherwise, would be naïve.
@@jaflenbond7854 ,
"FREEDOM of ATHEISTS to SLANDER the CREATOR
All Atheists
are free to oppose and defy what were written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3
that the Creator is the True and Sovereign God.
Atheists are free to insult and slander the Creator as worthless, useless and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God
FREEDOM of RELIGIONS to SLANDER and INSULT the CREATOR and HIS CHRIST
Jehovah's Witnesses, ex- JWs, Mormons, SDAs, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world who freely and willingly chose to worship the Father of Lies and Murderer of Human beings and believe the teachings of the Pastors and Leaders of Religions about "Armageddon", "Trinity", "heaven and hellfire", "rapture", and "reincarnation" are free to slander and insult the Creator and Jesus Christ as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected and free to reject too the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their lives and existence."
Yes, atheists are free to oppose and defy anything that's written in the Bible, and they have the freedom to defy your Creator's wishes for them, but when did we need your permission or your God's permission to do so. Also, why would Jehovah's Witnesses, Latter-day Saints (Mormons), Seventh-day Adventists, and Born-Again Christians slander or insult God and Jesus when they're all Christians? And how do they worship the "father of lies" according to your point of view? Because of the belief in Armageddon, Hell, Heaven, the Trinity, the Rapture and reincarnation...that's "devil worship" to you? Laugh out loud.
Even LaVeyan Satanists don't literally believe in or worship the devil. They don't even have the same view of him that Abrahamic religions do. There are some sects of Satanism who believe in and worship the devil, but even some of them have a different interpretation of his character than the tradition one subscribed to by Christians, Jews and Muslims. Who, among religious folk -- Christian and non-Christian alike -- are worshipping "the murder of human beings"? I've never known any Christians, Jews (both religious and non-religious), Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Wiccans, Satanists or Scientologists who worship the concept of murder. I don't know any atheists or agnostics who think that way either. I don't know of any religious folk who worship the idea of unlawfully taking a human life over what would be considered as an unjust cause.
Because all of these other religious folks that you don't like just so happen to believe in the teachings of their religious leaders, these people are somehow "celebrating murder" because they don't adhere to your theology, to your own personal interpretation of the Bible because you think that everyone who doesn't believe in your theology is going to be annihilated during the Second Coming. That's probably one of the most asinine, and frankly, dumbass ideas I've ever heard.
@@b.w.7588 And I agree with your assessment that the preaching will continue.
And if you are correct then what remains to be seen is how this new dynamic works itself out in the congregations. Jehovah’s Witnesses are largely defined by their participation in this public activity, both by the world at large and within the congregation itself.
Will the suspension of the obligation to report ‘time’ result in more or less preaching activity? Remains to be seen.
And how will this change affect the view individual members have of each other? Despite Watchtower’s incessant admonitions to not judge others their whole philosophy rests on the adverse judgement of everyone and everything. To the point where it’s hard to imagine them any other way.
So, when this ‘gauge’ (individual service report) is essentially gone, they will have to find another way to have a basis to judge each others devotion to the cause.
Because the last thing Watchtower wants to lose is their brand.
@@formerjw3874 ,
Oh, they'll find a way in which to unnecessarily judge each other. Where there's a will, there's a way.
If they remove shunning and disfellowshipping I may just consider rejoining and attend a meeting or two every few months.
@rnicolas00,
I still wouldn't go back to the JW denomination, even if shunning were no longer a thing in the Witness community because I have no reason to believe in any of their doctrines, though it would be nice if they no longer engaged in the practice of shunning, but I'm still not going to hold my breath on that one.
@@b.w.7588 I don't believe their doctrines or any other religions doctrines for that matter either, but I would only join an alternative language KH so my family and I can learn a different language
@@starrebornalpha Just buy a course online if you want to learn a language. Geez.
Master manipulator Tony Morrison…
I am pretty sure everyone lied about hours anyway 😂😂😂
First ! Hehe