If I loved her and she loved me and we both wanted to marry one another and start a life together, sure. I'm not going to base an intimate, personal relationship with another individual on generalisations, stereotypes, and preconceptions of what makes a "good" or "right" partner for me. It would be an honour to have a woman genuinely care and love me for the rest of my days.
@@methenybestfan One of the more obvious examples of hubris in man is his, seemingly, endless ability to view his subjective feelings as objective truth.
@@KidologyCO Everything you just stated could be said for any negative group that exist in proximity to stereotypes. "Would Kidology mary someone who's committed murder?" [Insert your same response here] The problem is generalizations, stereotypes, and preconceptions aren't the empty, completely devoid of truth, objects you're treating them as. What personalities, because that is a good proxy for relationship stability, are correlated with the population of O.F. creators?? Hmm 🤔 maybe the answer to this question is why "stupid" people can still use blunt inaccurate proxies and still be getting at something that is actually true
This supposed 'moral decline of the West' goes both ways. These podcasts never explore who is paying all these Only Fans women and why. Like, they never tackle the fact that the men downright sponsoring the lifestyles of these women entirely contribute to the problem.
I find it interesting that nobody questions this rise in sex work we keep hearing about, any deeper than "woman immoral." We are in a global recession. Housing costs are soaring world wide. Food costs are soaring and food is becoming more scarce and poorer in quality. Childcare is failing or non existent in many countries. My city school district just went on a multiple day strike for better pay and when they striked, all those babies and kids had nowhere to go. Their parents potentially lost job security. Money is difficult to come by using hard work and intelligence alone, connections and bloodline are the biggest factor on a person's class. We have a large population desperate to make quick cash any way possible. It's very cut and dry, for men that often looks like dealing or stealing. In women it manifests as prostitution. All the way back to the ancient times, it is the oldest profession.. and historically was not often 100% consensual. People never want to investigate deeper issues, we find it easier to point fingers at the closest thing to us, that thing being one another.
Those h0es don't go for OF because they've got nothing to eat or sleep at! They go for it for *L U X U R I O U S L I F E S T Y L E !* Something everyone can live without. It's not like they're making pennies, rather tens of thousands of $ for a freaking week! So, YES, THEY ARE IMMORAL!
Kind of crazy how ever since I've stopped using dating apps and stopped going to bars and clubs. Women like them don't exist in my life. Start volunteering, go to parks, you'll be surprised just how normal most women are. And hate the only fans, hook up culture lifestyle.
Oh wow, it's almost as if it's unfair to generalize a demographic that makes up almost half the fucking planet, let alone to generalize them in such an exaggerated parody that would have had us gone extinct long ago or our population to be significantly smaller. Isn't it wild how going outside and to places with neutral settings helps you realize that people have layers to their characters and they act appropriately with such setting? It's almost as if a person's behavior in a very particular setting such as clubs and bars, which are either sexually charged or everyone's braincells is compromised by the alcohol, is limited to only that setting for which that setting was made for and once out of said setting those people are fucking normal again. What the actual fuck do you expect people to be doing at clubs? Crossword puzzles? Having debates of psychology? It's a controlled setting for people to unwind and unhinge, of course temporarily because we gotta be functional adults. It's nice to see that you got character development, but it's also really fucking pathetic that you don't seem to know that context is a thing and that people have nuance to their character and are doing different things all the time....
If you live in the west and interact with western women, they exist in your life (since the vast majority of western women are promiscuous degenerates).
Or the users and customers who keep that shit running. Basic economics; there can only be sellers for things that are not necessities if people express they would pay for it. Customers make sellers, not the other way around.
They do... all the time. They're vehemently anti-p0rn and promote no-fap, they the biggest perpetrators of the usage of the words "simps" and "cucks." Majority of their podcasts, videos, and think-pieces are about how p0rn and exploitive para-social relationship with OF models are destroying our culture. They constantly insult and shame men who purchases OF contents.
Onlyfans is not an intended porn site. It was repurpoposed. Pornhub has the largest traffic around the world, but the west has the most openly transactional promiscuous culture
I wonder if it occurs to these podcast hosts that if you actively seek out Instagram models and women who have OnlyFans... it will seem like a larger portion of the population engages in that sort of work than in reality?
@@Penterror Because regular women have regular lives and are busy with work, studies, hobbies, friends, family and/or their partner. Why would a regular women who isn’t reliant on online clout/exposure go on a podcast? It are mainly people making money through social media, music or acting who go on podcasts. Also a “counter podcast” seems so chronically online. Average people don’t care about countering some strangers’ opinions or hard wired beliefs through a podcast xD
@Seeker because we really don't care enough to make an entire fucking counter podcast. Also the men who fall into these holes (unknowingly the algorithm knows your level or porn consumption, fetishes, and acts accordingly) weed themselves out of the dating world by falling for chronically online stereotypes.
one thing I've always noticed in these podcast is how they always spotlight women as the problem for the decline, painting them as OF obsessed evil gold diggers. meanwhile the men are seen as victims who are preyed on by this "degeneracy epidemic" that need to learn from their wittle mistakes and rise up to be better men. Never the companies that made OF, never the original intention of making Facebook, never the human trafficking of women, never the market of willing men paying for this shit and keeping this industry alive. the biggest case being Andrew Tate who blame women for being degenerate but his whole fortune was built upon running said webcams through manipulation.
Infantilization of men..you see it in the media too and in television. " it's like I've got another kid!" Them being too stupid to anything else so of course we have women pick up on the slack for it.
Myron tells men to chase after the youthful “high value” loyal women, but the minute a woman starts excitedly explaining how she found someone she loves he immediately starts digging at her to see if she’ll talk about his finances, his social influence, his dick, his body, his possessions. These people aren’t just delusional, they’re god damn malicious. He says “it’s always something” as if the only way to truly be a good wife is to marry a fat jobless hobo with no friends (which is exactly what he tells men NOT to be, mind you).
I've noticed that in these online spheres if I bring up my husband. He doesn't make six figures. He's attractive to me but maybe not conventionally attractive to others I guess. Incels wouldn't laud him a Chad. He's cried in front of me before. He didn't care that I wasn't a virgin and agreed with me on the importance of sexual compatibility. He's put on a little chub but thats OK. And I still really enjoy sex with him, partly in credit to his willingness to actually value my pleasure. So...all stuff that flies in the face of their ideology. But the fact that he happens to be 6 foot 1.... when I never even had a 6 foot height requirement (the first man I thought I'd marry was 5'8)....they'll go "see! See! There it is, that's the only literal reason you're with him 😂" I guess when you're a hammer everything looks like a nail. Confirmation bias at its finest
Thank you for your comment. I used to watch these type of podcasts for the shock value. But they’re clearly delusional, disingenuous, and hypocritical.
They really thought they were proving a point when that woman said her short, fat boyfriend has a good job.... as if "being able to make a living" and "Having responsibilities" are shallow expectations for an adult male.
Men say seeing this podcast is disappointing and lowers their view of modern women, but it goes both ways. I’m disgusted at the men who purchase such content.
@@Elizabeth-kn4jh Thanks for the reply. I just don't understand why so many women see content like this and take aim at the creators of it and brush off the views of the podcast guests. This is coming from someone who doesn't like these podcasts and thinks that they're obviously sexist but I just don't get why so many women who make content about this type of stuff never actually outright say they disagree with the women in the videos
I've wondered why they don't ever mention the men purchasing the obscene content. All I could think of is that they'd never go on there. I have rarely watched this type of content. It came up in my list and of course, until you see it you don't know what it's about. I did see an OF guest ask the religious guy if he ever watched p*rn and he admitted he did struggle with it at some point. That's the only time I've seen the consumer end mentioned.
I’m convinced that anyone who thinks the women going on these podcasts are representative of women in general has never actually talked to a woman in their life.
You know, it only takes ONE bad apple to ruin an entire group's image though. Sure, generalizing is bad, but it still exists for a reason. It's just human nature to become cautious of something after a bad experience. I'm a woman and the same age as these women in the podcast and they sure give me an identity crisis
Perhaps, but my issue is that these podcasts make it seem like all “modern women” are like this when it’s an extremely small minority who are mainly just trying to promote their social media. It’s important not to generalize based on such a biased sample. 99% of the women you interact with in real life are not ditzy OF models, so it seems lazy to proclaim the “decline of the west” over it. It only seems that way to people who don’t know how to log off.
Of course they are not a representation of what “real women” are. They are handpicked to fit the stereotype of the type of women they are trying to portray. It would be a great disservice to their whole agenda to bring a normal “self respecting” woman on to the show to disprove their ridiculous notion that “all modern women are trash” narrative. These girls are screened and selectively chosen because they are void of any modesty or morals. It honestly is gross! 🤢
“18 YeAR OlD SaYs LiKe 37 TiMes🥴” - Geee could it be because she’s literally a teenager, who could probably still be in HS?? The girl JUST came out of childhood, and is trying to have adult conversations with adults around her. Could that she’s still learning how to navigate the adult world? 🤔🤔
@@ronmastrio2798The voting age is a arbitrary number not rooted in an scientific, biological or psychological reasoning. If anything, scientists tell us the human mind isn’t fully formed until mid-twenties. So yeah….18 year olds are smart, but aren’t completely matured.
I want to express my gratitude for your perspective. Looking back on my early youth, I realize that I was heavily influenced by stereotypes and caricatures of the opposite sex. If I could offer any words of wisdom to young men, it would be to delete dating apps and spend less time on social media, and instead focus on building one-on-one relationships with the women in your life. While it's important to be aware of negative stereotypes that may exist, we must also remember that we're all human and not judge others based solely on these stereotypes. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, and your home looks lovely. - Leon
build relationships with women which the majority are on dating apps and social media. Great advice. Yeah i might've had a body count higher than Stalin, but im only human...
I met my wife over a dating app, but that was when both of us were sick of dates and hookups and all the bullshit and we just went for long ass walks for weeks before actually becoming an item. We were so grateful to get outta there
yooo can there please be an app called "long-ass walks" for people who wanna just hang out and go on long-ass walks and if something happens, it happens. but the focus is on the long-ass walks because those are awesome!!
Great video Kidology. Thanks for addressing how the vocal minority are living in a bubble that doesn't apply to the majority. The main issue with dating today has to do with people not being social or having an actual personality. They are stuck on their online devices and not actually engaging with others in a genuine way. Be nice without expecting anything in return. Surprisingly that is a hard concept for people to understand these days. We're all about "what's in it for me." Anywho, that's just my two cents.
You think this way because you are disconnected with reality. When I lived in the west, the vast majority of women were promiscuous. And I was a medical professional. So many of the women I met were "respectable" members of society with high educations. But they were just as bad as the poor, stupid women. Western women are, in the majority of cases, complete trash. I always tell men that if you stay in the west, assume any woman you meet is trash until you're proven otherwise.
@@morgannyan2738 you need a job to get money to afford necessities......if you see dating as a "job" that's not a good sign.... You are not inclined or any way really forced to date.....at all....and you shouldn't be seeing relationships as inherently transactional like you would a job. Because whatever you may think you can get from a relationship in a transactional mindset, you can definitely get outside of such an arrangement. Relationships are luxuries, and the only thing you should expect to "receive" is what you should also naturally be giving to your partner....which is love and enhancing the joys in eachothers lives.
@@morgannyan2738 Guy, it is so naive and sad what are you saying. Just go out there and meet some women. Of course most of women have their dreamy type just like men! But it simply doesn't matter face to face. We all just craving for love and attention from special person, men and women.
It's amazing how when you meet people organically in life not trying to force a relationship just how many normal "salt of the earth" humans you met and come across.
What I worry about is when does the narrative around this moral panic become reality for those consuming it like a self fulfilling prophecy? My pet theory is still that social media has really screwed up our social/communication skills and I’d hate to think people with those issues are now swilling up this kind of garbage 😣
I think exactly the same, social media has made people think different. Critical thinking is out the window. Now people see stuff in mail and think its not commercials they really think they are doing it so they can see new stuff. They are trying to take your money and they cant see it.
I think for sure social media has distorted how we socialize entirely. I did not often have internet access during my youth despite being in Gen Z, I lived on the street many of my teenage years, had nothing, didn't even go to school. Got older and in the workforce and found I make friends easily with people 20+ years older than me. I also worked better with older people, as in I could work more efficiently. Young people my age I rarely am able to connect with. I'm not disliked or unable to form friends with my peer group, I just feel no connection when I talk with them, we always have nothing in common aside from perhaps political values at most which personally I do not prefer to judge a person's entire character solely by their political affiliations. This is something I notice many many of my peers do and one thing I really cannot stand about my generation. Any friend I have my age I stand risk of losing at any time should we disagree on the next big hot topic, and it's happened many times in the past with how quickly trends come and go on social media. I don't have any close friends any longer. Most of them who remain I keep at arms length. Almost all my online friends I've managed to make, they would dissappear or stop talking to me eventually. We are so disconnected from one another, it is saddening.
This is a very insightful post. I think the Western media discourse is being sucked into a Feedback Loop. It's like holding a microphone up to a speaker and you hear an amplifying hum that gets louder and louder except it's with ideologies.
"...how fragmented men and women are, especially online" There will always be tension between the sexes, but relative to the sensationalized online portrayal of male/female relations, we're singing in near perfect harmony offline. I've a decent social life in the real world, 50/50 mix of men and women, and aside from runofthemill breakup drama here and there, we're all getting on fine. I poke my head in these spaces just to remind myself of how much better life is the less your worldview is formed online.
I see the same. I have a large community around me and interact closely with a multitude of men and women daily. We all care about each other and enjoy each others company. Thats why we all keep hanging out. The internet makes it seem so much worse than it really is out here.
It could be that social media always amplifies and exaggerates the worst things out there that we don't even see in real life. I swear, some people act like they were born in quarantine
Idea: has Only fans brought sex work into the middle class, rather it be traditionally something the poorest, most vulnerable women in society (ie street based service work and stripe clubs)?
I really don't feel that men and women are that fragmented. Is it a generational thing? It's really only on RUclips and other social media websites where I see that fragmentation. I often wonder if these people live these personas out IRL.
Thank you for addressing the "bourgeoisie interests/problems"! I've been thinking about this for years because since I was a kid Ive to been bombarded with the same shit (only 10 years ago you were "not like the other girls" and now you are "girlboss") but it never represented the culture I was irl. Sure, there was always promiscuous people, but I'd say that is in the decline even tho they were always a minority!
There's always been women who do these things, the thing is social media and that podcast in particular, take this tiny percentage of women and give them a platform while ignoring the 99% of 'normal' women. Its all for entertainment. I hate this stuff
This is full of solid observation. It's been difficult for me to explain to my friends that women have not changed. It's apparent to me because I don't personally use any dating apps or anything. I can see the bubble, and how small it is. But for those inside, that's the entire world.
Exactly, it is a bubble. However, socialization among Gen Z is bad. They don't know how to talk to people regardless of gender. They are the online generation and many of the social skills that we take for granted, they don't have.
Thank you for sharing a reasonable well thought out response to the growth of this subculture for men. I had to actively ask RUclips stop recommending these videos cause I watched one and was stunned at how simultaneously ignorant AND certain most of these guys were. And the boys who are idolizing them are being set up for a lot of toxic relationships or incel situations.
16:30 Regarding "hookup culture" in Ivy League universities: high achieving students in Ivy league schools are having LESS s*x than students in other schools. I've seen statistics on this, and there's a surprisingly high rate of virginity in Ivy League schools, especially when demanding degrees are pursued.
I thank you so much, for speaking critically, eloquently, and thought-provokingly, on these often pain and loneliness-inducing toxic media representations of people and the genders. You offer new, much needed perspectives on the sociology of current times. You are a breath of fresh air in this space of mind-numbing echo chambers. And I don't think neurally too, humans evolved to differentiate so critically what is real, and what is not. So being sucked in is human's natural instinct. Or at least speaking personally.
God this is everything I’ve been thinking the last 6 months!!! You really say what people are thinking in an organized way, you’re brilliant and I’m happy Ive found content I deeply relate to!
The selection bias is obvious. The typical woman thinks those red pill podcasts are corny and so when they recruit women, there is an over selection of onlyfans girls who go on these shows to advertise their onlyfans and social media to a thriving male audience. One thing to note, I don’t think Pearl is as bad as the rest. She doesn’t give advice or brand herself as any kind of leader or authority. Also her show seems to have more diverse women many of whom push back
Pearl is awful, she add nothing new to the talk...always with her bias statistic that she don’t do any self-critic. But because she is white, adressing mostly to a black redpill audience, she got lots black men followers.
Exactly. People always talk about how dumb the women are. They might not be that dumb. They likely just don’t give a damn about the subject matter. They’re just there to make a bag and dip. 😂 No intelligent or successful woman (with the exception of Erudite) is going within 5 miles of that podcast.
@@LoneWulf278 And I think those women are aware that men tend to like dumber women...so many women act like that (like in porn) to get more interest from men. Kinda like playing a weak, naive next door girl. An educated, smart woman will be seen as intimadating, competitive and lower tolerance of men’s bullsh*t.
Nope. As a historian I can assure you that this is idea that this "next-generation is responsible for our moral decline" is something that happens literally every generation, and has happened for at least centuries. We have written record of it within the 1400's. So long story over simplified, nah, this type of social conversation has most likely existed since the dawn of social conversations. In fact, it probably roots back due to many psychological problems framing yourself in terms of the idea of the "good old days" back when "I was a good and moral young child" and the thought that your parents had a difficult time, but they were generally good people, not like the people nowadays that you have to interact with.... It's a psychological furtherance and expression of the *fundamental attribution error.* Making the assumption that any problems you're responsible for are due to circumstance, and any problems that other people cause are due to their character flaws.
I mean, I have to be honest, until our leaders are most notably remembered in history for the wild orgies that they threw... Or the diverting of tax dollars so that they can build an entire coliseum sized pool, just so that they could throw one-party with a re-enactment of a famous water battle.... that of course then ended in a giant orgy.... Nah, I don't believe that there's a linear moral decline of humanity. (And if you're interested, there is a movie they made in the 1970s about that dude. The title of the movie is his namesake, "Caligula".). Anyway though, my point is that within history there are entire societies with far far worse "moral decay" that led to our social structures, that you definitely cannot make a case for an ever-worsening moral decay as time goes on. 🤷 I mean... The creation of "dating" that led right into the "roaring twenties" (names that way because of the roaring parties, orgies, and other such drunken debaucheries). Or the time of prohibition where the US government in Washington was most notably known for... The mass amount of corruption and alcoholic parties that were hidden behind its walls.... 🤷 Anyway, every new generation thinks that it invented sex, drugs, and counterculture. Because parents don't know anything (as though your parents didn't have sex in order to have you).
On the topic of history we forget that people were a LOT more promiscuous in the in the 60s and 70s...the AIDs epidemic shifted sexual behavior in a big way.
@@redmaple1982 that's when/where the phrase "drugs, sex, and rock and roll" came from (the 60s). 👍. The era of "free love" and key parties. LSD was resurging again ...and yeah... It's not like our grandparents or parents were prim and proper or anything. The invention of the pill changed things a bit, lol. And then later, aids changed things again, yes. And cocaine was pretty big in the 80's. The 90's saw a surge in club drugs like ecstacy, etc etc.
As a college student taking a number of classes involving writing, I come to appreciate the depth and quality of your analyses more each time I watch them. Thank you for bringing some clarity to the online realm!
I think it is fair to say Women have raised their standards, and that many average Men that in previous generations would have had a Wife and Kids will not be able to just by simply having a decent job. To me this is a good thing but it seems ridiculous to deny this. Women no longer need to depend on Men to live.
It always seems weird to me that people get mad for not meeting someone else's standards. Especially when these standards are usually very reasonable. Yes, women and men with CRAZY standards definitely do exist. But the majority of people just want someone they find physically attractive, who cares about them and respects them, who they enjoy being with and who shares the same values and goals. And I believe people have always wanted these things.
@@triton62674 so maybe women shouldn’t whine about being pumped and dumped or men not wanting to settle down with a high body count of model, men have standards too.
It's because men are still expected to meet the standards of traditional conservative gender roles, whereas traditional conservative gender roles are optional for women. Women get the best of both worlds, whereas men get the worst of both worlds.
When you talked about 'bougie values', it reminded me of pretty much the same concept that was brought forward by Rob Henderson, but he calls it 'luxury beliefs'.
as a grown woman who is a virgin, grew up ugly, was bullied by boys and men for it and subconsciously a femcel throughout teens and early adulthood, it was weird to suddenly get attention from men. dating videos have given me so much insight into how men view women. i know its mostly online, and like you state social media really fucks with us, but its still hard. especially when stats regarding the safety and well being of straight women (im thankfully bi) dating men are not in our favour. its weird. i would like to trust a man some day but a lot of the men in these alpha videos are also almost directly reflective of so many young men i meet in passing or through others today. and im not only meeting people in major cities. its off putting their fixation with body counts and superficial attraction. the constant need to have a “gotcha” moment. to prove themselves (to who exactly? not sure). to really Show us that we’re the shallow, vapid creatures they think we are (while still desiring us). its like their minds are so poisoned to the point where they want to stay stuck as incels. i don’t mind never dating or having sex but its weird to watch them sabotage themselves over and over for something they seemingly desire so bad. to stay in a victim and low self esteem self destructing mindset. to wallow in it for arbitrary reasons. its sadder that they reduce all meaningful relationships to sex. as if sex for straight women was ever mostly good (from what ive heard) or safe (with sexual assault being an epidemic perpetrated mostly by men women know or date). id rather just watch from the sidelines with my popcorn and do art.
I kinda went through the opposite where I grew up cute and then went through an ugly phase and now I'm like, average. I don't know, I think you can find that person but hopefully it will be about more than just looks. I actually worked as a bottle girl for a while and it was interesting how I would make up the most boring stories and basically con men into spending money on alcohol. I think the real me is way more interesting than my alter egos, but these men are looking for fantasies and escape not for real women or relationships. And I think that's true for a lot of young men outside of clubs too, they like think a girl will solve all their problems but a woman is just a human. You will get bored eventually lol, and maybe that's a sad way to look at it but I feel like we don't teach men how to cultivate healthy emotional relationships, but we force girls to do all this emotional labor. Anyway my partner is lovely but we are both imperfect, and we choose each other everyday. I like to do art in the corner too though so honestly just keep doing what makes you happy and you will never feel alone.
“these men are looking for fantasies” ding ding ding! its funny. ive been on dates with men where, after maybe the first few, sex comes up and they find out im inexperienced. the way their eyes light up in some cases is very strange and telling. they think that as a result i must carry “less baggage” or have very little to compare them to, when in fact i have insane standards and their little tells give them away instantly. i have more issues than any of my friends who have so-called “body counts in double digits.” none of them are self inflicted and i love myself whether i have sex or not, but still. im very happy for you and your partner. we all have our flaws and i just wish a lot of men would lay off either extreme. its either we are the cure all, perfect fragile pieces of glass who must remain pure or we are evil, wicked, sinful, whatever other delusional BS. both dehumanizing and insane asf
Same here. I've always had an inherent "skepticism" towards men and their intentions but I stumbled upon the red pill stuff about 7-8 years ago (back when it was mostly confined to Reddit) and it confirmed many of the suspicions I had. I guess you could say discovering the Red Pill red-pilled me on men lmao. The proliferation of that ideology among guys my age is one of the main reasons why I've completely avoided dating and more specifically sex.
@@neverforever4787 It's still mostly and online thing. So if you go and meet guys in real world, who go hiking or do sports or have any actual hobby you're unlikely to stumble upon redpillers. It's a stupid reason to avoid sex or dating. Sex is great and dating is quite fun when you don't expect immediate results.
Congrats on the motivation and feeling in control! When I was in graduate school, I stayed in a friend's aunt's very bougie vacation house (for free!) for a week one time. With the amazing light, ocean air, intermittent walks on the beach, and beautiful decor, I got more done in that week on the paper I was writing than I had in the prior 3-6 months. Surroundings can be so potent and yet so neglected when we're working on our mental state.
We in the west still have an obsession with the religious beliefs we were brought up with combined with a denial of what people have always done or needed to do to survive. When we see people doing what they always have we pretend it is a new phenomenon that is destroying society. The one thing that could be causing a decline (if indeed it is declining) is end stage capitalism's effects on our lives but even that is an ongoing issue with the ruling class.
@@themysteriousnavi6850 I suppose (to the extent there were moral „inclines“) the civil rights movement (where at least laws that were racist were mostly removed) arguably it took the fact that the west had a common enemy in the USSR that forced the country to change those laws was a relative incline (even as we supported the overthrowing of democracies in South America), whereas now because our adversaries from Russia and China are also capitalistic the concerns of the BLM movement are ignored and LGBTQIA’s+ rights are being once again threatened while ignoring the genocide of Palestinians is arguably a reason for a decline. Or we could actually try a democracy once. There are many other fine options of course that may bring us forward once again.
Leave out the kindness… Sometimes we just need to call it as it is, and the truth is, there are a lot of stupid people out there who are just good at bullshiting and pretending to be smart. I’m so done with these people… I can’t with all the podcasts on the internet these days
I’m so glad I was born in the late 80s and had to meet women and talk to them face to face probably the last age group for that to happen. My younger brother only 8 years younger than me has lived a completely different existence online than I did in my two and early 20 years. When I tell kids his age that I didn’t have a cell phone until I was a senior in high school and for the first year of having it I only texted girls because it wasn’t cool for men to text each other, they are always shocked and it was only 17 years ago
Thanks for the great input as always. I think this panic mostly impacts young and very unconfident people. "It's not my fault that I can't find a partner because all they want is x" is an easy explanation to your problem. It is quite sad to see that the market of blaming the other gender for your problem seems to be really booming (like Andrew Tate for example). But most people will just grow out of that and realize that they too can find happiness in this world. Side note: Please Please Please Kidology if you show a clip of something just make a voiceover of the text on screen and give us viewers time to actually watch the clip. i often find myself skipping back a few seconds because I had to decide between listening, reading and watching the clip. Otherwise another great video
On international women's day they were protests in several countries were females showed signs that said "kill all men" etc. But sure, men are the ones blaming the other gender for their problems lmao
Can we also normalize that.....sometimes you're nobody's type? Just because you can't "pull" doesn't mean everything is wrong with you. Just like how people who can "pull" it doesn't mean they're flawless. When it comes to dating in general, it should be because both parties (or all of you poly) have a genuine and particular fancy for eachother that they don't for any other person. Out of sheer passion and desire. To want to date someone you should have many particular emotions for just them or the kind of person they are. But you also don't need to be absolutely REPULSED by someone or hate their guts to not date them. You just don't have that passion or desire for them in particular, and you definitely shouldn't be dating people you aren't really into. There is so much that goes into someone finding another person "desirable" some objectifying, most subjective and personal. If a person is past a "threshold of decency" (aka STANDARDS) then everything else about them could be any which random way that a person could find absolutely charming, whether they know it or not. Because it's such a particular feeling, of course no one is gonna be attracted to most people, and therefore you might not be able to pull most people....or anyone at all! Yeah it's sad cause you want love, it's something pretty normal, and it's a generally positive thing when it's healthy and genuine. But it's not a necessity or a right, you are not entitled to it. Most you can do is just take the L and move on with your life because it's really not anyone's fault. You are not entitled to anyone's love, sex, or time. And you shouldn't be out here existing or evolving as a person on the sole condition of hoping to "Pull". Continue to live and exist and try to become the best version of yourself that you will like and like being. And if you still end up not being able to pull anyone- Oh well 🤷🏾♀️
I just started watching you last night while I worked and i often had to stop working to really listen in on you. I love how thoughtful and well-spoken you are. I could listen to you go on for hours about any topic. I don't often comment on videos but I really felt the need to now. Thank you for all the effort you put into these!
I think redpill is ironically perpetuating a scapegoat, but there is definitely something going on in the dating dynamics and socialising of young men and women that’s causing frustration and driving a search for answers, which are unfortunately bring found in the wrong places.
I think it mostly comes down to a lack of dating culture. Is dating to get married? Is it for fun? Is it necessary? Who is it for? What's the purpose of sex? These are questions that don't have common answers accepted by western cultures. People are wondering why they don't "get it", but how can they when there's not really a norm to understand rn?
There's a particular anonymity which their clients enjoy that is a typical s*xual double standard. It's unfortunate but I don't see anyway around it due to the nature of the work and the internet.
I think the issue lies with a lot of men or women not wanting to be with someone who puts themselves out there like that for everyone when that takes away the intimacy between the 2 because what is it you are selling? Sexual content and then it comes down to should we ALL be polygamous then and accept this? Does privacy matter anymore? Why is this such a common theme? What is happening?
The man said that all woman is sleeping with at least one guy. As a 28 year old woman, who never slept with any man my entire life, I'm questioning myself if I'm broken or if society in itself is broken. Lols. 😆
I’ll be blunt here; the guy was a lying a-hole. It is as it is. He made up complete nonsense as an excuse for not paying for a date. All he has to do is say so.
@@rejectionisprotection4448 I feel like in this podcast, they specifically chose women who has very low morals just to highlight themselves or have a chance to put themselves in a pedestal to make themselves look as if they are the one in the correct side. When the truth is, if the women in the podcast has like 5 % moral values, he has only 6 or 7%, but he makes it appear as if it is more than that percentage by highlighting the mistakes of the other party. I don't know if that makes sense.
@@Telltalesign That makes perfect sense. There are plenty of women like you around, but you'll never get invited onto their podcasts because you negate everything they say.
It’s always funny to think about how the scope of the moral panic of women changes through the decades. There’s countless vintage newspaper ads that warn the public about whatever new trend among women is threatening the family or something lol. Women have always been scandalous for just existing, it seems. Also, forgive me, but as eloquently and intelligently as you presented, I found this video a little more difficult to focus on because you just look so pretty! That lipstick is definitely your color, and I kept having to redirect my focus because my bi brain kept trying to shift by perking up and being like “yes, but pretty woman on screen!!”
I had the same experience while watching! I put this on to listen to while working, but kept looking up and getting mesmerized by her. She always looks beautiful, but in this one she looks exceptionally striking. Hair, makeup, and lighting in perfect harmony.
Whatever is pushed on my browser whenever I am not logged in, and even when I am, and have dismissed their channel. It's infuriating, like I searched for bad driving vids, why am I getting served these? Pearlythings too, like it's a plague. "Stupid people are making it big online". Lol, tell us how you really feel! Great video.
The first time I heard them talk about "modern women" I felt like I'd been transported back to the 1930's. Red Pill conservatives and their so-called traditional values are a dark subset of social media. I really felt like I'd stumbled into a parallel universe. 😮
If they hate modern women so much why can't they date older women? But they view them as "washed up" and unworthy of love. They want both things that can't exist together. They just want to groom and control women as young as possible because of their insecurities.
Same it feels like a weird,eerie creepy experience it's like it's the dark ages where women weren't valued as human it's extremely disturbing to me and the way they talk down on the girl's in the podcast is another disturbing issue
There’s something to be said about how these alpha male podcasters host young women who are not very good at expressing their thoughts/opinions in a concise manner .
The comment under the podcast that said "I would like a wife but then I find this to remind me to stay alone" - Well, when I see such podcasts it reminds me that men are still misogynistic and I am happy to be aro/ace and never deal with them
These people who get mad at sex workers can't seem to understand that it's a simple economic decision. If your choice is to break your back working 40 hour weeks just to take home like $1000 a paycheck or to take a few nudes a week for like 4 to 8 grand a month, the second option is obviously the better one. I fully support the idea of an economy based exclusively around what we might term "real jobs," but since we don't have that I won't begrudge these people for trying to get paid enough to live
Precisely. We're all going to take the opportunities we can, and no moral standing is a universal or can be stamped equally upon everyone. Life is tough for all of us in our respective ways.
Every worker is selling their body. The idea that a factory worker, hunched and twisted after years of manual labor, has somehow sold theirs to any less a degree than a sex worker, is an astounding conclusion imo.
@@KidologyCO Again, this is another fallacy The economic decision is fully understandable and yes, in most cases this is the best choice (see african women immigrating illegally to europe in the 80s and 90s) However, there is a reason sex work has been looked down on with disdain since the beginning of time It is a devaluing of sex and cheaping of the body. It isnt just about the economics (if so, then drug dealing shouldnt be shamed) While sex work can be important (there are studies that show a significant decrease in domestic violence in some part of the US/NY once sex work was legalized) there is always a moral component to it. Lets not the women featured in that podcast are on average 22/23 y/o. What possibly could justify them taking up taking up such job in a society such as the west (compared to african women immigrating illegally to the west for example)?
Your morals don’t matter. This is a man’s world and they’ve sold our souls to the devil (I don’t actually believe in god/devil but you get me) I’m sure kidolgoy agrees with you but her point is people are going to take the quick money route if they’re brave/stupid enough. Financial security is very very very important and goes above morals nowadays
@@andothersuchnonsense2685 no. X-work is literally selling your physical body. Working in a factory is selling your services . When i work in macdonalds for instance, i can work without the risk of catching a std, getting assulted or unalived. Don't compare the two.
I saw the title and I saw that the video was made by you and I thought to myself " there is no way Kidology would fall for that narrative" I'm glad I was right. I love you girl, you're a much needed voice of reason in a sea of stupidity ❤
@DMp-xp6mj It strikes me that as things are getting objectively worse, progressives refuse to consider that perhaps there is a moral aspect to our collective decline.
Personally I think this brand of podcasts exists as a form of "loser pandering" via people whose position within a particular dating subculture grants them a level of legitimacy to their less wordly, emotionally stunted audience. (By looser I'm referring to males with very little going for them in realm of money, skills, status, grades, goals, looks, community, AND morals). The children of Old money, high salaried professionals, and Middle class homeowners are comedicly unconcerned with the topic these podcaster repeatedly discuss. This applies doubly to conservative/religious kids of any income level because they are not even supposed to take part in hookup culture in the first place.
Yeah and less and less people are making it into the middle class. Which is why the manosphere is so popular. You say we live in a bubble, look whose talking.
@@matthewbarr6685 YES how dare I use my knowledge of the middle and upper class people to point out how absolutely vapid and inconsquential the manosphere's content is. It's a travesty I tell you!
Whilst I don’t entirely disagree with your perspective, the children of old money/ middle class actually make up a minority of society. Your view only adds the legitimacy of the arguments made by podcasters in these spaces i.e. that the whole dating market has gone to pot.
@@dicerevo How are they making an accurate assessment of the world of dating if their main perspective is centered around the most promiscuous members of the party scene (who themselves the either children of the elite or aggressive social climbers)? I bring up the elites because these guys also talk a lot about money and influence with regards to relationships and everything they talk about falls flat when you look at the marriage patterns of people who actually have money. Hell it doesn't even make sense when you are looking at the lower middle class. Meanwhile most working/ lower class adults would find these guys to be some combination of degenerate, soft, and self indulgent
Would be interested in a deeper dive into morality and society and how it has evolved, like... why is morality always fixated with particular topics: why women and sex? Did ancient societies (e.g. before Christianity) have very different concepts of morality, especially toward women? Historically, why was chivalry a big thing, or was it even a big thing? Do we care less about corporate morality? Were "rules of engagement" always a thing in combat? Shouldn't morality be more important where there is a responsibility (on a societal level, or a personal level)? If so, what does sex have to do with responsibility?
Morality emerges out of culture, and if you look at various cultures, there will be differences, and only certain key ideas will run as common thread. For every culture morality is an ongoing conversation, out of which new approaches to social order will emerge over time to deal with new challenges. Each age has to learn how to cope, and it's a dynamic process.
As for the short guy discussion, I feel it is what you make of it. I'm short, several people have turned me down for it but eventhough I'm vertically challenged that hasn't stopped me from finding dates. People have preferences and that lowers my choices. It sucks at times and sometimes it turns out for the best, either way I have to accept it.
I am always perplexed when dudes say things like, “All/most women [insert typical assumption here]!” when I have met and befriended plenty of women who do not fit in this perpetuated stereotype. They are able to have iNtElLiGeNt cOnVeRsAtIoNs (I absolutely hate that term), laugh at and crack jokes, and are generally the opposite of this… hackneyed description of “””all women”””. My current partner has even complained about females in that same way! I have a feeling that these women I’ve met that do not fit in this box would be deemed “pick-me-girls” or some other weird label similar to that. There’s no winning. Also, I feel like these are the same dudes who say shit like, “The world isn’t going to change just for you!” but then expect the world to change just for them, or they just give up..? Y’all be contradicting yourselves. I think all parties need to be taking some responsibility for how this all turned out. Quit playing the blame game and self-reflect. On that same note - MGTOW and the manosphere = male version of 3rd wave feminism. Change my mind.
@@itwasriggedfromthestart9520 That's wonderful... but you don't fight fire w/ fire. It's the "I know you are, but what am I?!" reaction. Solves nothing and just breeds more contention. Just like they teach in therapy, it's better to learn how to respond than react.
@@MartianGirl347 I didn't say it's good or bad, I just described it. But it was probably inevitable that some sort of reaction to feminism had to happen
@@itwasriggedfromthestart9520 I didn't intend for my comment to come across as being defensive, if that's the way it was taken. Honestly, I'm not sure the reaction is completely unwarranted, I just would like to see it being handled better by all who are involved... not just the men or just the women.
I understand your critique of the OLD statistics but the sample sizes for this are quite large. 10% of a population is massive, so there is actually a fair amount to glean from this data imo
the argument about height is so funny to me. most women just want the man to be taller than them. and, since on average men *are* taller than women, this shouldn't be an issue at all. it's a small minority of men who are shorter than the average woman who should be having a harder time, not most men hahah
@kidology you have so much of my respect for saying things I wish I heard more often. Like the fact that in the US and in the UK people can make a lot of money being absolutely stupid and not suffer any kind of consequence whatsoever as well as the fact that there is a very distinct and segregated mindset that keeps men and women from actually having healthy social relationships with one another. I lived in North America (Canada) and in Italy as well as the UK and I fear that other European countries will end up like the U.S where boys and girls never hang out with each other.
Aaaah, the irony of heteronormative socialization. Men and women are socialized from very young ages to want or pursue things that are opposite or defy eachother. A very obvious example is sex. Men are encouraged to explore and engage with many as possible before settling down. Hell, sometimes they are encouraged to never settle down. Meanwhile women are encouraged to not date around and to commit to one man and wait til marriage to have sex. .....but if I'm doing the math.....and both genders follow both socializations exactly......That shit ain't adding up, it's physical impossible for men and women to follow such when those expectations defy eachother. Men and women have been socialized so polar opposite from eachother that they ended up incompatible. Straight people with heteronormative mindsets don't know how to do math.
She's wrong, the consequences are later. There kids in the future will be bullied, and even suicidal over their mothers public life. They wont be able to hold down a quality man.
I saw how my father was struggling in life by taking a caring woman and children who don't care about him and at 15 I promise to myself i will never be a slave to a woman and children. 20 years later i think i made the best decision ever. I think peace, freedom and quietness is priceless 🙏
Sorry but they invite women from this type of business and paint the image, that most women do That. It’s just about degrading Women. I don’t know anybody who does that in real life. Maybe it’s more common in America, but Even there it cant be this normal. Stop interviewing this specific type of woman and then complain. Oh and tell men to stop consuming this stuff. People Go where money flows. Their guru Andrew Tate litteraly made money with a cam girl business. Hypocricy on another level.
this body count thing maybe only matters to certain men, a very small minority. I live in Europe and have literally been rejected for having little sexual experience. I spoke to one guy who said nobody in their right minds would marry a virgin, and to even get into a relationship you have to have sex. So, how many people must one sleep with to land the love of their year in this age of dating apps? its crazy!! and then these You tube people are talking about how one should assume every woman is having sex with someone and myself and other girls like me are like, "what''!! :O
These social media channels remind me of when people/kids used to compare their lives to reality shows like MySuperSweet16 and the likes. Worrying about how they aren‘t getting a luxury car for their 16th birthday, meanwhile they‘re not rich. And by they I mean my 14/15 yr old self. It took a minute for me to realize that it was not just entertainment but made up, and crafted to illicit an emotional response in the viewer. I wonder what role emotions and psychology play in all this as well. Probably many guys out there upset they‘re supposedly supposed to pay 100$ for a date, meanwhile their crush just wants them to hold their hand. They themselves do not live in the 100$ a date tax bracket so why worry about it?
I think it’s also important to note for the height and genetics/evolution argument that the same would apply with short men/tall women. Tall women wouldn’t necessarily need super tall men because the height genes are already a factor. It’s just a gender swap of a tall man with a short woman-the genetic balance for height is literally identical; beyond that it just becomes a social stigma and preference. Also: height can be a bit recessive. Most dudes in my family are 6’+ but I’m just below 6’. If didn’t transfer directly to me. My grandfather was 6’4 but both his sons are 6’ and 5’10 respectively. His daughters range from somewhat tall (5’7-9) to really short. It’s more of a crapshoot than most would assume.
this video is exactly how i feel abt this internet phenomenon. when i watch those videos NOTHING resonates with me at all. they say "all women are like this" and as someone who is mainly surrounded by women, barely any of them are like that. the internet is an actual disease
Completely agree with your points. It's so good to see that you remind everyone over and over that those bubbles aren't real-life. They present caricatures of people or as you labeled them the bourgeoise not actual average people.
But they are though. Everyone and everything is online now. And increasingly so. The "bubble" is massive. Most dating age people meet online today, or keep in touch online today.
So, this is just form personal experience, so it is considered anecdotal. Take it as you will. I have had women stopped contact immediately when finding out my height. I've had woman who KNEW my height beforehand...show up and saw me and said I am really short, and just walk away. I have had women find out my height, and immediately say "we're just friends". The thing with height is real. Not just from women either... Guys also look down on me and make fun of my height..."yea, maybe try alpha posturing when you grow another foot"... ..
One interesting way to view “movements” online like these sorts of podcasts and such, is to view them as potential/likely “canaries in the coal mine” of society. As you are getting at, by no means should anyone take ONE HUNDRED percent of any one source’s advice, BUT…if you can step back and take a 20,000 foot view, we should take the lot of them seriously. Because things usually don’t come from nothing. And things usually don’t get massive momentum unless there’s some deeper thread of reality running through all of them, that’s they’re all tapping into (intentionally or otherwise.)
Who should pay on the first date? If you asked you should pay. Not wanting to pay for a date with a promiscuous girl? Why did you even ask her out? If you asked her out because she’s easy then at least buy her some dinner.
I find it sad how women have to prostitute themselves to get an education. Education should be cheap or free. And it’s education for moneys sake, not for the love of the subject most of the time. We’ve truly commodified everything we can in this world (children’s minds and bodies included)
@@itwasriggedfromthestart9520 If it’s so gross, why are so many people watching it? It’s crazy how men are simultaneously the ones consuming this content and being their biggest critics. If you don’t like, be disciplined and don’t watch, simple.
@@itwasriggedfromthestart9520 it's never going to stop by men decrying it because yall fap to it. Why should she listen to you when there's 200 simps telling her she's a queen?
Most of the male outrage at OF creaters comes from jealousy. Men are jealous that the option of doing OnlyFans isn't open to them. However, the thing is, a lot of them actually *could* do OnlyFans and be successful, it's just they would have to market their content to gay men and they don't want to do that.
You do realize most of these men arent gay right? Unless you think being gay is a choice. I guess the boy who gets bullied for his mom doing OF is just jealous of her right? On the topic of succesfullness most men are in higher postions than women and making more money as a result and women dont like that, so according to your logic those women are just jealous right?
Yup these incels don't want to be with beautiful women. They want TO BE a beautiful woman. But because they are incels they have no idea what that would entail.
It could partly be jealousy but it's also because they don't like how women are making a profit off of the bad behavior of men that got too much money and not enough game. Certain Men will sexualize a woman, but when a woman isn't ashamed of that or does it herself they get angry. They don't like it when a woman takes control of things for herself, even if it also interests or benefits them. They don't like girls with a certain body count, but they only want to add to her body count They don't like girls who are kinky, but want girls to participate in their particular kinks They don't girls who like to be sexual and revealing, yet it's the most frequent type of content they subscribe to It's all just power dynamics, fantasies of control. Pretty much "How dare you do anything on your own?" Damned if you do, damned if you don't. So just do what is in your best self interests because they always gonna be mad about something if you happen to be a woman
@@morgannyan2738 Ayo, look at this dude!!!! He thought he was cooking!!! He thinks all female sex workers are straight. As if Lesbian porn isnt one of the most popular tags on the hub and straight men literally be fetishizing women who arent sexually interested in them. He probably that dumbass at the strip club who thinks every stripper is straight when a good YONK of them are lesbians or just not attracted to men. Bro is probably the type that thinks that because he finds a woman attractive that she is straight, as if orientation is somehow byproduct of who finds you attractive when orientation can easily be established before a person is able to attract anyone. Also bro forgot about systemic oppression and how women back then and even today in some countries aren't even allowed to work or an education to access higher paying jobs Bro forgot sexism and nepotism exists. Dude you GOOFY, STRAIGHT UP🤣
The thing is most women aren't like this, like You can either make money the easy way or You do it the hard and honest way and You are broke. Shout out to all my fast foods peeps
As someone who lives in real life and has a lot of both male and female friends, these podcasts and red-pillers are so strange to me.. most people are good people, and most men and women are alike. Thats not say I don’t know any men with some weird views on women. I always explain to them my point of view and my experiences and try to help them understand that we are not so different. I think sexism has negative effects on everybody, and I always tell them that I support men being able to be vulnerable and real equality for everyone, but they are almost always shocked to learn the level of violence I have witnessed from men and the precautions I take every day (such as not speaking to people I don’t know well unless I’m in a trusted environment and not walking away from main paths where people have attempted to hurt me). The truth is there are negative stereotypes from every group, who don’t represent that group. But the interesting people aren’t the normal quiet people living their lives harmlessly, even though that’s the majority, so we don’t see those people in media. I also think our cultures hyper focus on romantic love hurts people. Platonic and familial love are so much more fulfilling in my experience, and so much more stable. If you are truly lonely, try making friends first. It is never healthy to have only one person in your life.
Really liked this. As someone who intermittently forays into online dating and then remembers how soul destroying it is this felt apt. Listening to that guy justify not paying for a date (and there are many legitimate reasons to go halves on a date) in such bleak cynical terms. Why did we get so resentful and selfish? Hope you enjoy your stay in the sunshine
I don't think he realises that if he isn't willing to at least pay for a first date there may not be a second one. Most women do not like cheap men... Splitting the bill is something that comes later on in a relationship... otherwise he is setting himself for a 'lets just be friends' scenario. Not that paying entitles a guy to anything... but it's good manners for them to at least offer.
@@elasroczynski5987 That guy is a multimillionaire. He doesn't have to try to get dates. He can't speak for all men. Those videos are simply for entertainment. MGTOW Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
When these sites were starting up and becoming popular I remember many high schoolers saying they were going to pursue it as it paid well and to have fun, very few because they needed to pay their college, of which were unknowing of the ramifications that would have on their professional life Things were so over sexualized growing up, you saw it everywhere or experienced it from older weirdos, people compared body count in middle and highschool which is sad, and if you had none some people made fun of you or looked down on you, and in my twenties people acted surprised because I hadn’t lost my virginity which is weird af to me, like why do you care, and I’m happy I waited for someone I love It’s crazy to think these people are around my age now, they are so young it’s honestly creepy and sad and I feel so disconnected from my generation and people my age even more every time something new comes up Also hate these podcasts because they make women look and as if it’s the majority of women or all women or regular women and quite disrespectful, they really don’t choose a variety of opinions, I feel like lot these people are just speaking from personal experience and bitter or hurt and not as trusting because they have been surrounded by such people and seeing it more or experienced it more “dating”
Here is the thing. I am against any kind of sex work. I find it predatory, dangerous and dehumanazing. I think its sad so many young women these days are so eager to start something like an only fans. However the reason so many start to work as sex workers is because there is a large customer base. So you cant say women are immoral and men should shame them, given how most of their money comes from men.
this has also made me think about how Awesome Street Fighter Music is used as a descriptive cue for these audiences. like, i enjoy listening to "Hensonn - Sahara" as much as the next person, but really, using it as a way to tell the audience that you won a verbal battle...i mean really, think about it...Tiktok has given us all the ability to emotionally prompt an audience using music, but it's cringe when only implemented to make yourself look cool.
Would kidology marry and OF girl?
If I loved her and she loved me and we both wanted to marry one another and start a life together, sure. I'm not going to base an intimate, personal relationship with another individual on generalisations, stereotypes, and preconceptions of what makes a "good" or "right" partner for me. It would be an honour to have a woman genuinely care and love me for the rest of my days.
@@KidologyCO beautifully said. 💗
@@methenybestfan One of the more obvious examples of hubris in man is his, seemingly, endless ability to view his subjective feelings as objective truth.
@@KidologyCO Everything you just stated could be said for any negative group that exist in proximity to stereotypes.
"Would Kidology mary someone who's committed murder?"
[Insert your same response here]
The problem is generalizations, stereotypes, and preconceptions aren't the empty, completely devoid of truth, objects you're treating them as.
What personalities, because that is a good proxy for relationship stability, are correlated with the population of O.F. creators??
Hmm 🤔 maybe the answer to this question is why "stupid" people can still use blunt inaccurate proxies and still be getting at something that is actually true
@@Mj783980 Shes also a queer woman, to her and to men are completely different
This supposed 'moral decline of the West' goes both ways. These podcasts never explore who is paying all these Only Fans women and why. Like, they never tackle the fact that the men downright sponsoring the lifestyles of these women entirely contribute to the problem.
Exactly. It's amazing to see how much money the men splurge for things like used lingerie.
I find it interesting that nobody questions this rise in sex work we keep hearing about, any deeper than "woman immoral." We are in a global recession. Housing costs are soaring world wide. Food costs are soaring and food is becoming more scarce and poorer in quality. Childcare is failing or non existent in many countries. My city school district just went on a multiple day strike for better pay and when they striked, all those babies and kids had nowhere to go. Their parents potentially lost job security. Money is difficult to come by using hard work and intelligence alone, connections and bloodline are the biggest factor on a person's class. We have a large population desperate to make quick cash any way possible. It's very cut and dry, for men that often looks like dealing or stealing. In women it manifests as prostitution. All the way back to the ancient times, it is the oldest profession.. and historically was not often 100% consensual. People never want to investigate deeper issues, we find it easier to point fingers at the closest thing to us, that thing being one another.
Well said ginger
Thank you for this comment, as depressing as it is
In other words: do the good thing and pay your hoes well!
@@lenaramoon4617 lmao
Those h0es don't go for OF because they've got nothing to eat or sleep at! They go for it for *L U X U R I O U S L I F E S T Y L E !* Something everyone can live without. It's not like they're making pennies, rather tens of thousands of $ for a freaking week! So, YES, THEY ARE IMMORAL!
Kind of crazy how ever since I've stopped using dating apps and stopped going to bars and clubs. Women like them don't exist in my life. Start volunteering, go to parks, you'll be surprised just how normal most women are. And hate the only fans, hook up culture lifestyle.
So soon you'll start running through those women as well.
Says the guy subscribed to a bunch of e-girls.
@@vklnew9824 you can just call them women. im sure hes subscribed to a bunch of men too. does that make you feel better?
Oh wow, it's almost as if it's unfair to generalize a demographic that makes up almost half the fucking planet, let alone to generalize them in such an exaggerated parody that would have had us gone extinct long ago or our population to be significantly smaller.
Isn't it wild how going outside and to places with neutral settings helps you realize that people have layers to their characters and they act appropriately with such setting?
It's almost as if a person's behavior in a very particular setting such as clubs and bars, which are either sexually charged or everyone's braincells is compromised by the alcohol, is limited to only that setting for which that setting was made for and once out of said setting those people are fucking normal again.
What the actual fuck do you expect people to be doing at clubs? Crossword puzzles? Having debates of psychology? It's a controlled setting for people to unwind and unhinge, of course temporarily because we gotta be functional adults.
It's nice to see that you got character development, but it's also really fucking pathetic that you don't seem to know that context is a thing and that people have nuance to their character and are doing different things all the time....
If you live in the west and interact with western women, they exist in your life (since the vast majority of western women are promiscuous degenerates).
Very telling that people always blame OnlyFans/Pornhub creators but never the CEO’s or Founders of these sites.
Or the users and customers who keep that shit running.
Basic economics; there can only be sellers for things that are not necessities if people express they would pay for it.
Customers make sellers, not the other way around.
@@britneybij3997 I guess it’s because the users and founders of these companies are usually male. Degeneracy is only bad when women are doing it.
Men want to be whores to feed their egos and seek validation from their peers. So they won't fight the men who make the sites.
They do... all the time. They're vehemently anti-p0rn and promote no-fap, they the biggest perpetrators of the usage of the words "simps" and "cucks." Majority of their podcasts, videos, and think-pieces are about how p0rn and exploitive para-social relationship with OF models are destroying our culture. They constantly insult and shame men who purchases OF contents.
Onlyfans is not an intended porn site. It was repurpoposed. Pornhub has the largest traffic around the world, but the west has the most openly transactional promiscuous culture
I wonder if it occurs to these podcast hosts that if you actively seek out Instagram models and women who have OnlyFans... it will seem like a larger portion of the population engages in that sort of work than in reality?
Why don't "regular" women ask on or create a counter podcast
@@Penterror Because regular women have regular lives and are busy with work, studies, hobbies, friends, family and/or their partner. Why would a regular women who isn’t reliant on online clout/exposure go on a podcast? It are mainly people making money through social media, music or acting who go on podcasts.
Also a “counter podcast” seems so chronically online. Average people don’t care about countering some strangers’ opinions or hard wired beliefs through a podcast xD
You spin wool? You got an Etsy? I love supporting small businesses.
@Seeker because we really don't care enough to make an entire fucking counter podcast. Also the men who fall into these holes (unknowingly the algorithm knows your level or porn consumption, fetishes, and acts accordingly) weed themselves out of the dating world by falling for chronically online stereotypes.
@@rf-uj5sc then why do women talk about them or try to cancel them? Let them be
one thing I've always noticed in these podcast is how they always spotlight women as the problem for the decline, painting them as OF obsessed evil gold diggers. meanwhile the men are seen as victims who are preyed on by this "degeneracy epidemic" that need to learn from their wittle mistakes and rise up to be better men. Never the companies that made OF, never the original intention of making Facebook, never the human trafficking of women, never the market of willing men paying for this shit and keeping this industry alive. the biggest case being Andrew Tate who blame women for being degenerate but his whole fortune was built upon running said webcams through manipulation.
Infantilization of men..you see it in the media too and in television. " it's like I've got another kid!" Them being too stupid to anything else so of course we have women pick up on the slack for it.
Great points thank you
Yeah, they're sus, know what else is sus? Blue.
It's almost as if they're following the same patriarchal cycle all over again. Oh wait😒
Myron tells men to chase after the youthful “high value” loyal women, but the minute a woman starts excitedly explaining how she found someone she loves he immediately starts digging at her to see if she’ll talk about his finances, his social influence, his dick, his body, his possessions. These people aren’t just delusional, they’re god damn malicious. He says “it’s always something” as if the only way to truly be a good wife is to marry a fat jobless hobo with no friends (which is exactly what he tells men NOT to be, mind you).
I've noticed that in these online spheres if I bring up my husband. He doesn't make six figures. He's attractive to me but maybe not conventionally attractive to others I guess. Incels wouldn't laud him a Chad. He's cried in front of me before. He didn't care that I wasn't a virgin and agreed with me on the importance of sexual compatibility. He's put on a little chub but thats OK. And I still really enjoy sex with him, partly in credit to his willingness to actually value my pleasure. So...all stuff that flies in the face of their ideology. But the fact that he happens to be 6 foot 1.... when I never even had a 6 foot height requirement (the first man I thought I'd marry was 5'8)....they'll go "see! See! There it is, that's the only literal reason you're with him 😂"
I guess when you're a hammer everything looks like a nail. Confirmation bias at its finest
Those aren’t mutually exclusive. They can be true at same time.
Thank you for your comment. I used to watch these type of podcasts for the shock value. But they’re clearly delusional, disingenuous, and hypocritical.
They really thought they were proving a point when that woman said her short, fat boyfriend has a good job.... as if "being able to make a living" and "Having responsibilities" are shallow expectations for an adult male.
@Red Maple right like my bad didn't realize we should go date a homeless unemployed man
Men say seeing this podcast is disappointing and lowers their view of modern women, but it goes both ways. I’m disgusted at the men who purchase such content.
You're well within your rights to do so, but do you actually disagree with the women on these podcasts or not? I'm just curious
@@leftenantthunder yes, I disagree with them.
@@Elizabeth-kn4jh Thanks for the reply. I just don't understand why so many women see content like this and take aim at the creators of it and brush off the views of the podcast guests.
This is coming from someone who doesn't like these podcasts and thinks that they're obviously sexist but I just don't get why so many women who make content about this type of stuff never actually outright say they disagree with the women in the videos
I've wondered why they don't ever mention the men purchasing the obscene content.
All I could think of is that they'd never go on there. I have rarely watched this type of content. It came up in my list and of course, until you see it you don't know what it's about.
I did see an OF guest ask the religious guy if he ever watched p*rn and he admitted he did struggle with it at some point. That's the only time I've seen the consumer end mentioned.
I’m convinced that anyone who thinks the women going on these podcasts are representative of women in general has never actually talked to a woman in their life.
You know, it only takes ONE bad apple to ruin an entire group's image though. Sure, generalizing is bad, but it still exists for a reason. It's just human nature to become cautious of something after a bad experience. I'm a woman and the same age as these women in the podcast and they sure give me an identity crisis
Perhaps, but my issue is that these podcasts make it seem like all “modern women” are like this when it’s an extremely small minority who are mainly just trying to promote their social media. It’s important not to generalize based on such a biased sample. 99% of the women you interact with in real life are not ditzy OF models, so it seems lazy to proclaim the “decline of the west” over it. It only seems that way to people who don’t know how to log off.
Of course they are not a representation of what “real women” are. They are handpicked to fit the stereotype of the type of women they are trying to portray. It would be a great disservice to their whole agenda to bring a normal “self respecting” woman on to the show to disprove their ridiculous notion that “all modern women are trash” narrative.
These girls are screened and selectively chosen because they are void of any modesty or morals.
It honestly is gross! 🤢
@@saltykitty9215True but you can say the same for violent men, every group has bad apples (sorry I know this is an old comment 😂)
“18 YeAR OlD SaYs LiKe 37 TiMes🥴” - Geee could it be because she’s literally a teenager, who could probably still be in HS??
The girl JUST came out of childhood, and is trying to have adult conversations with adults around her. Could that she’s still learning how to navigate the adult world? 🤔🤔
Those men have no concept of child, considering how they creep on 15 year olds as 30 year olds. Js
@@lenaramoon4617 True, f***ing creeps 🤬
Didn't you know women aren't allowed real childhoods?
@@lenaramoon4617 She can vote but apparently she's a child incapable of forming any opinions.
@@ronmastrio2798The voting age is a arbitrary number not rooted in an scientific, biological or psychological reasoning. If anything, scientists tell us the human mind isn’t fully formed until mid-twenties. So yeah….18 year olds are smart, but aren’t completely matured.
I want to express my gratitude for your perspective. Looking back on my early youth, I realize that I was heavily influenced by stereotypes and caricatures of the opposite sex. If I could offer any words of wisdom to young men, it would be to delete dating apps and spend less time on social media, and instead focus on building one-on-one relationships with the women in your life. While it's important to be aware of negative stereotypes that may exist, we must also remember that we're all human and not judge others based solely on these stereotypes. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, and your home looks lovely. - Leon
one-on-one relationships with the women in your life, if they even have any
@Henry Woden you sure don't.
@@henrywoden5281 Can you explain to me what I do not get?
build relationships with women which the majority are on dating apps and social media. Great advice. Yeah i might've had a body count higher than Stalin, but im only human...
@@morgannyan2738 Majority of women are not on dating apps.....
I met my wife over a dating app, but that was when both of us were sick of dates and hookups and all the bullshit and we just went for long ass walks for weeks before actually becoming an item.
We were so grateful to get outta there
it's my dream for something like that to happen, somebody get me out of there ;-) oh no too late I already left long ago sick of it
How old are you guys if you don’t me asking?
@@ABBZ120 we we're 26 when we met and 30 now
yooo can there please be an app called "long-ass walks" for people who wanna just hang out and go on long-ass walks and if something happens, it happens. but the focus is on the long-ass walks because those are awesome!!
I met me 5 year long partner on tinder lol
Great video Kidology. Thanks for addressing how the vocal minority are living in a bubble that doesn't apply to the majority. The main issue with dating today has to do with people not being social or having an actual personality. They are stuck on their online devices and not actually engaging with others in a genuine way. Be nice without expecting anything in return. Surprisingly that is a hard concept for people to understand these days. We're all about "what's in it for me." Anywho, that's just my two cents.
its naive to think you dont live in that same bubble, would you not want to work a job and get something in return for it?
You think this way because you are disconnected with reality. When I lived in the west, the vast majority of women were promiscuous. And I was a medical professional. So many of the women I met were "respectable" members of society with high educations.
But they were just as bad as the poor, stupid women.
Western women are, in the majority of cases, complete trash. I always tell men that if you stay in the west, assume any woman you meet is trash until you're proven otherwise.
@@morgannyan2738 you need a job to get money to afford necessities......if you see dating as a "job" that's not a good sign....
You are not inclined or any way really forced to date.....at all....and you shouldn't be seeing relationships as inherently transactional like you would a job.
Because whatever you may think you can get from a relationship in a transactional mindset, you can definitely get outside of such an arrangement.
Relationships are luxuries, and the only thing you should expect to "receive" is what you should also naturally be giving to your partner....which is love and enhancing the joys in eachothers lives.
@@britneybij3997 So when women say: must be 6 foot tall, must make 6 figures, must be great in bed, must be handsome they dont expect anything right?
@@morgannyan2738 Guy, it is so naive and sad what are you saying. Just go out there and meet some women. Of course most of women have their dreamy type just like men! But it simply doesn't matter face to face. We all just craving for love and attention from special person, men and women.
It's amazing how when you meet people organically in life not trying to force a relationship just how many normal "salt of the earth" humans you met and come across.
What do you mean by "force a relationship"?
What I worry about is when does the narrative around this moral panic become reality for those consuming it like a self fulfilling prophecy? My pet theory is still that social media has really screwed up our social/communication skills and I’d hate to think people with those issues are now swilling up this kind of garbage 😣
I think exactly the same, social media has made people think different. Critical thinking is out the window. Now people see stuff in mail and think its not commercials they really think they are doing it so they can see new stuff. They are trying to take your money and they cant see it.
I have pinpointed the time when it started to go downhill as around 2014
I think for sure social media has distorted how we socialize entirely. I did not often have internet access during my youth despite being in Gen Z, I lived on the street many of my teenage years, had nothing, didn't even go to school. Got older and in the workforce and found I make friends easily with people 20+ years older than me. I also worked better with older people, as in I could work more efficiently. Young people my age I rarely am able to connect with. I'm not disliked or unable to form friends with my peer group, I just feel no connection when I talk with them, we always have nothing in common aside from perhaps political values at most which personally I do not prefer to judge a person's entire character solely by their political affiliations. This is something I notice many many of my peers do and one thing I really cannot stand about my generation. Any friend I have my age I stand risk of losing at any time should we disagree on the next big hot topic, and it's happened many times in the past with how quickly trends come and go on social media. I don't have any close friends any longer. Most of them who remain I keep at arms length. Almost all my online friends I've managed to make, they would dissappear or stop talking to me eventually. We are so disconnected from one another, it is saddening.
This is a very insightful post. I think the Western media discourse is being sucked into a Feedback Loop. It's like holding a microphone up to a speaker and you hear an amplifying hum that gets louder and louder except it's with ideologies.
One theory I have is that people became pressured into becoming too accepting and now accept bad stuff
Any time I podcast has more than 3 people mic’d up I know it’s gonna be bullshit
Not a bad rule of thumb! 😂
You must hate a lot of female podcasters then
@@morgannyan2738 female podcasters aren’t spouting bs
@@isabella6075 clearly you never heard of female dating strategy
@@morgannyan2738 Drop the names and tell me what do they say !
"...how fragmented men and women are, especially online" There will always be tension between the sexes, but relative to the sensationalized online portrayal of male/female relations, we're singing in near perfect harmony offline. I've a decent social life in the real world, 50/50 mix of men and women, and aside from runofthemill breakup drama here and there, we're all getting on fine. I poke my head in these spaces just to remind myself of how much better life is the less your worldview is formed online.
I see the same. I have a large community around me and interact closely with a multitude of men and women daily.
We all care about each other and enjoy each others company. Thats why we all keep hanging out.
The internet makes it seem so much worse than it really is out here.
It could be that social media always amplifies and exaggerates the worst things out there that we don't even see in real life.
I swear, some people act like they were born in quarantine
@@britneybij3997 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 I laugh, but I think that the pandemic has added fuel to this fire.
exactly
This is so true.
Idea: has Only fans brought sex work into the middle class, rather it be traditionally something the poorest, most vulnerable women in society (ie street based service work and stripe clubs)?
I really don't feel that men and women are that fragmented. Is it a generational thing? It's really only on RUclips and other social media websites where I see that fragmentation. I often wonder if these people live these personas out IRL.
Women are a privileged class and men are forced to pay for it
I see tons of men on dating apps with talking points from the online “gender war.” Grown ass men too.
Misandry is rampant in our society
Men and Women are fragmented online ** in real life most of this stuff isn’t real.
'Men and women are only fragmented online' tell that to the 7 million Ukrainian women who fled and left behind their sons and husbands
Thank you for addressing the "bourgeoisie interests/problems"!
I've been thinking about this for years because since I was a kid Ive to been bombarded with the same shit (only 10 years ago you were "not like the other girls" and now you are "girlboss") but it never represented the culture I was irl.
Sure, there was always promiscuous people, but I'd say that is in the decline even tho they were always a minority!
There's always been women who do these things, the thing is social media and that podcast in particular, take this tiny percentage of women and give them a platform while ignoring the 99% of 'normal' women. Its all for entertainment. I hate this stuff
you're right but by and large I think most normal women will still defend and argue in favour of those women which is odd
This is full of solid observation. It's been difficult for me to explain to my friends that women have not changed. It's apparent to me because I don't personally use any dating apps or anything. I can see the bubble, and how small it is. But for those inside, that's the entire world.
I call this bubble USA
Exactly, it is a bubble. However, socialization among Gen Z is bad. They don't know how to talk to people regardless of gender. They are the online generation and many of the social skills that we take for granted, they don't have.
@@henrywoden5281 if you think that, it’s because you’re attracting bad people. and that’s on YOU, not women.
@@margotmargot1693 Same to women attracting dead beat dads that leave them hanging. Sure. If you're on board with that.
@@henrywoden5281 See, that's what people say from inside of that bubble I was referring to.
Thank you for sharing a reasonable well thought out response to the growth of this subculture for men. I had to actively ask RUclips stop recommending these videos cause I watched one and was stunned at how simultaneously ignorant AND certain most of these guys were. And the boys who are idolizing them are being set up for a lot of toxic relationships or incel situations.
16:30 Regarding "hookup culture" in Ivy League universities: high achieving students in Ivy league schools are having LESS s*x than students in other schools. I've seen statistics on this, and there's a surprisingly high rate of virginity in Ivy League schools, especially when demanding degrees are pursued.
20% percent of the students are having 80% of the sex.
Virginity amongst men or women?
I don’t know what if I’m imagining it, but you seem happier and more confident in this video and I love it. Glad you’re in a more secure place!
I love this woman. She puts into words things that I gave been feeling but didn’t have the vocabulary to adequately express.
I thank you so much, for speaking critically, eloquently, and thought-provokingly, on these often pain and loneliness-inducing toxic media representations of people and the genders. You offer new, much needed perspectives on the sociology of current times. You are a breath of fresh air in this space of mind-numbing echo chambers. And I don't think neurally too, humans evolved to differentiate so critically what is real, and what is not. So being sucked in is human's natural instinct. Or at least speaking personally.
God this is everything I’ve been thinking the last 6 months!!! You really say what people are thinking in an organized way, you’re brilliant and I’m happy Ive found content I deeply relate to!
The selection bias is obvious. The typical woman thinks those red pill podcasts are corny and so when they recruit women, there is an over selection of onlyfans girls who go on these shows to advertise their onlyfans and social media to a thriving male audience.
One thing to note, I don’t think Pearl is as bad as the rest. She doesn’t give advice or brand herself as any kind of leader or authority. Also her show seems to have more diverse women many of whom push back
Pearl is pretty terrible.
RP isn't corny, it's absolute trash feeding off and compounding hate for women in men
Pearl is awful, she add nothing new to the talk...always with her bias statistic that she don’t do any self-critic.
But because she is white, adressing mostly to a black redpill audience, she got lots black men followers.
Exactly. People always talk about how dumb the women are. They might not be that dumb. They likely just don’t give a damn about the subject matter. They’re just there to make a bag and dip. 😂 No intelligent or successful woman (with the exception of Erudite) is going within 5 miles of that podcast.
@@LoneWulf278 And I think those women are aware that men tend to like dumber women...so many women act like that (like in porn) to get more interest from men. Kinda like playing a weak, naive next door girl.
An educated, smart woman will be seen as intimadating, competitive and lower tolerance of men’s bullsh*t.
Nope. As a historian I can assure you that this is idea that this "next-generation is responsible for our moral decline" is something that happens literally every generation, and has happened for at least centuries. We have written record of it within the 1400's.
So long story over simplified, nah, this type of social conversation has most likely existed since the dawn of social conversations. In fact, it probably roots back due to many psychological problems framing yourself in terms of the idea of the "good old days" back when "I was a good and moral young child" and the thought that your parents had a difficult time, but they were generally good people, not like the people nowadays that you have to interact with....
It's a psychological furtherance and expression of the *fundamental attribution error.* Making the assumption that any problems you're responsible for are due to circumstance, and any problems that other people cause are due to their character flaws.
I mean, I have to be honest, until our leaders are most notably remembered in history for the wild orgies that they threw... Or the diverting of tax dollars so that they can build an entire coliseum sized pool, just so that they could throw one-party with a re-enactment of a famous water battle.... that of course then ended in a giant orgy.... Nah, I don't believe that there's a linear moral decline of humanity. (And if you're interested, there is a movie they made in the 1970s about that dude. The title of the movie is his namesake, "Caligula".).
Anyway though, my point is that within history there are entire societies with far far worse "moral decay" that led to our social structures, that you definitely cannot make a case for an ever-worsening moral decay as time goes on. 🤷
I mean... The creation of "dating" that led right into the "roaring twenties" (names that way because of the roaring parties, orgies, and other such drunken debaucheries). Or the time of prohibition where the US government in Washington was most notably known for... The mass amount of corruption and alcoholic parties that were hidden behind its walls.... 🤷
Anyway, every new generation thinks that it invented sex, drugs, and counterculture. Because parents don't know anything (as though your parents didn't have sex in order to have you).
Thank you!
On the topic of history we forget that people were a LOT more promiscuous in the in the 60s and 70s...the AIDs epidemic shifted sexual behavior in a big way.
@@redmaple1982 that's when/where the phrase "drugs, sex, and rock and roll" came from (the 60s). 👍. The era of "free love" and key parties. LSD was resurging again ...and yeah... It's not like our grandparents or parents were prim and proper or anything. The invention of the pill changed things a bit, lol. And then later, aids changed things again, yes. And cocaine was pretty big in the 80's. The 90's saw a surge in club drugs like ecstacy, etc etc.
@@tygon13I'm reminded of how people forget that Playboy launched in the early 50's.
As a college student taking a number of classes involving writing, I come to appreciate the depth and quality of your analyses more each time I watch them. Thank you for bringing some clarity to the online realm!
I think it is fair to say Women have raised their standards, and that many average Men that in previous generations would have had a Wife and Kids will not be able to just by simply having a decent job.
To me this is a good thing but it seems ridiculous to deny this. Women no longer need to depend on Men to live.
It always seems weird to me that people get mad for not meeting someone else's standards. Especially when these standards are usually very reasonable.
Yes, women and men with CRAZY standards definitely do exist. But the majority of people just want someone they find physically attractive, who cares about them and respects them, who they enjoy being with and who shares the same values and goals. And I believe people have always wanted these things.
To add to the above, men shouldn't need women to depend on them to lower their standards
@@triton62674 so maybe women shouldn’t whine about being pumped and dumped or men not wanting to settle down with a high body count of model, men have standards too.
Women no longer need to depend on men to live, they just need to live in the society men have built to live
It's because men are still expected to meet the standards of traditional conservative gender roles, whereas traditional conservative gender roles are optional for women. Women get the best of both worlds, whereas men get the worst of both worlds.
When you talked about 'bougie values', it reminded me of pretty much the same concept that was brought forward by Rob Henderson, but he calls it 'luxury beliefs'.
Beliefs most can’t afford to have but have them anyway. Must be putting them on credit.😂😂
You are a breath of fresh air on YT! Keep it up!
as a grown woman who is a virgin, grew up ugly, was bullied by boys and men for it and subconsciously a femcel throughout teens and early adulthood, it was weird to suddenly get attention from men. dating videos have given me so much insight into how men view women. i know its mostly online, and like you state social media really fucks with us, but its still hard. especially when stats regarding the safety and well being of straight women (im thankfully bi) dating men are not in our favour.
its weird. i would like to trust a man some day but a lot of the men in these alpha videos are also almost directly reflective of so many young men i meet in passing or through others today. and im not only meeting people in major cities. its off putting their fixation with body counts and superficial attraction. the constant need to have a “gotcha”
moment. to prove themselves (to who exactly? not sure). to really Show us that we’re the shallow, vapid creatures they think we are (while still desiring us).
its like their minds are so poisoned to the point where they want to stay stuck as incels. i don’t mind never dating or having sex but its weird to watch them sabotage themselves over and over for something they seemingly desire so bad. to stay in a victim and low self esteem self destructing mindset. to wallow in it for arbitrary reasons. its sadder that they reduce all meaningful relationships to sex. as if sex for straight women was ever mostly good (from what ive heard) or safe (with sexual assault being an epidemic perpetrated mostly by men women know or date). id rather just watch from the sidelines with my popcorn and do art.
I kinda went through the opposite where I grew up cute and then went through an ugly phase and now I'm like, average. I don't know, I think you can find that person but hopefully it will be about more than just looks. I actually worked as a bottle girl for a while and it was interesting how I would make up the most boring stories and basically con men into spending money on alcohol. I think the real me is way more interesting than my alter egos, but these men are looking for fantasies and escape not for real women or relationships. And I think that's true for a lot of young men outside of clubs too, they like think a girl will solve all their problems but a woman is just a human. You will get bored eventually lol, and maybe that's a sad way to look at it but I feel like we don't teach men how to cultivate healthy emotional relationships, but we force girls to do all this emotional labor. Anyway my partner is lovely but we are both imperfect, and we choose each other everyday. I like to do art in the corner too though so honestly just keep doing what makes you happy and you will never feel alone.
“these men are looking for fantasies” ding ding ding! its funny. ive been on dates with men where, after maybe the first few, sex comes up and they find out im inexperienced. the way their eyes light up in some cases is very strange and telling. they think that as a result i must carry “less baggage” or have very little to compare them to, when in fact i have insane standards and their little tells give them away instantly. i have more issues than any of my friends who have so-called “body counts in double digits.” none of them are self inflicted and i love myself whether i have sex or not, but still.
im very happy for you and your partner. we all have our flaws and i just wish a lot of men would lay off either extreme. its either we are the cure all, perfect fragile pieces of glass who must remain pure or we are evil, wicked, sinful, whatever other delusional BS. both dehumanizing and insane asf
Same here. I've always had an inherent "skepticism" towards men and their intentions but I stumbled upon the red pill stuff about 7-8 years ago (back when it was mostly confined to Reddit) and it confirmed many of the suspicions I had. I guess you could say discovering the Red Pill red-pilled me on men lmao. The proliferation of that ideology among guys my age is one of the main reasons why I've completely avoided dating and more specifically sex.
@@neverforever4787 It's still mostly and online thing. So if you go and meet guys in real world, who go hiking or do sports or have any actual hobby you're unlikely to stumble upon redpillers. It's a stupid reason to avoid sex or dating. Sex is great and dating is quite fun when you don't expect immediate results.
@@Rig0r_M0rtis Its not a stupid reason at all. Its a great reason to stop dating men.
Congrats on the motivation and feeling in control!
When I was in graduate school, I stayed in a friend's aunt's very bougie vacation house (for free!) for a week one time. With the amazing light, ocean air, intermittent walks on the beach, and beautiful decor, I got more done in that week on the paper I was writing than I had in the prior 3-6 months. Surroundings can be so potent and yet so neglected when we're working on our mental state.
kid, i’d so so happy that you seem to be in such a good place right now! may tomorrow be even better!
We in the west still have an obsession with the religious beliefs we were brought up with combined with a denial of what people have always done or needed to do to survive. When we see people doing what they always have we pretend it is a new phenomenon that is destroying society. The one thing that could be causing a decline (if indeed it is declining) is end stage capitalism's effects on our lives but even that is an ongoing issue with the ruling class.
If capitalism is causing it, then what should we replace it with that would work way better?
@@themysteriousnavi6850 I suppose (to the extent there were moral „inclines“) the civil rights movement (where at least laws that were racist were mostly removed) arguably it took the fact that the west had a common enemy in the USSR that forced the country to change those laws was a relative incline (even as we supported the overthrowing of democracies in South America), whereas now because our adversaries from Russia and China are also capitalistic the concerns of the BLM movement are ignored and LGBTQIA’s+ rights are being once again threatened while ignoring the genocide of Palestinians is arguably a reason for a decline. Or we could actually try a democracy once. There are many other fine options of course that may bring us forward once again.
Leave out the kindness… Sometimes we just need to call it as it is, and the truth is, there are a lot of stupid people out there who are just good at bullshiting and pretending to be smart. I’m so done with these people… I can’t with all the podcasts on the internet these days
I’m so glad I was born in the late 80s and had to meet women and talk to them face to face probably the last age group for that to happen. My younger brother only 8 years younger than me has lived a completely different existence online than I did in my two and early 20 years. When I tell kids his age that I didn’t have a cell phone until I was a senior in high school and for the first year of having it I only texted girls because it wasn’t cool for men to text each other, they are always shocked and it was only 17 years ago
Your channel really is a light at the end of a very sinister and gloomy tunnel. Keep going!
That light at the end of the tunnel is an incoming train 😂
@@xaxfixho or a flashlight
Thank you Kid. The comments on those types of videos(especially the shorts) are troubling to stay the least. I was starting to question reality 😭
Thanks for the great input as always.
I think this panic mostly impacts young and very unconfident people. "It's not my fault that I can't find a partner because all they want is x" is an easy explanation to your problem. It is quite sad to see that the market of blaming the other gender for your problem seems to be really booming (like Andrew Tate for example). But most people will just grow out of that and realize that they too can find happiness in this world.
Side note: Please Please Please Kidology if you show a clip of something just make a voiceover of the text on screen and give us viewers time to actually watch the clip. i often find myself skipping back a few seconds because I had to decide between listening, reading and watching the clip. Otherwise another great video
On international women's day they were protests in several countries were females showed signs that said "kill all men" etc.
But sure, men are the ones blaming the other gender for their problems lmao
@@itwasriggedfromthestart9520 Both can be true at the same time
You mean how feminsits blame everything on men?
Can we also normalize that.....sometimes you're nobody's type?
Just because you can't "pull" doesn't mean everything is wrong with you. Just like how people who can "pull" it doesn't mean they're flawless.
When it comes to dating in general, it should be because both parties (or all of you poly) have a genuine and particular fancy for eachother that they don't for any other person. Out of sheer passion and desire. To want to date someone you should have many particular emotions for just them or the kind of person they are.
But you also don't need to be absolutely REPULSED by someone or hate their guts to not date them. You just don't have that passion or desire for them in particular, and you definitely shouldn't be dating people you aren't really into.
There is so much that goes into someone finding another person "desirable" some objectifying, most subjective and personal. If a person is past a "threshold of decency" (aka STANDARDS) then everything else about them could be any which random way that a person could find absolutely charming, whether they know it or not.
Because it's such a particular feeling, of course no one is gonna be attracted to most people, and therefore you might not be able to pull most people....or anyone at all!
Yeah it's sad cause you want love, it's something pretty normal, and it's a generally positive thing when it's healthy and genuine. But it's not a necessity or a right, you are not entitled to it.
Most you can do is just take the L and move on with your life because it's really not anyone's fault. You are not entitled to anyone's love, sex, or time. And you shouldn't be out here existing or evolving as a person on the sole condition of hoping to "Pull".
Continue to live and exist and try to become the best version of yourself that you will like and like being. And if you still end up not being able to pull anyone-
Oh well 🤷🏾♀️
You aren’t used to read subtitles.....
I just started watching you last night while I worked and i often had to stop working to really listen in on you. I love how thoughtful and well-spoken you are. I could listen to you go on for hours about any topic. I don't often comment on videos but I really felt the need to now. Thank you for all the effort you put into these!
I think redpill is ironically perpetuating a scapegoat, but there is definitely something going on in the dating dynamics and socialising of young men and women that’s causing frustration and driving a search for answers, which are unfortunately bring found in the wrong places.
This comment...
I think it mostly comes down to a lack of dating culture. Is dating to get married? Is it for fun? Is it necessary? Who is it for? What's the purpose of sex?
These are questions that don't have common answers accepted by western cultures. People are wondering why they don't "get it", but how can they when there's not really a norm to understand rn?
These women wouldnt have these jobs or be on those platforms if it wasnt for all their male fans. Yet the women face all the shame.
What are you talking about? People shame simps all the time. Even the word simp is inherently insulting to men.
Yes because they are the ones being shameful....
There's a particular anonymity which their clients enjoy that is a typical s*xual double standard. It's unfortunate but I don't see anyway around it due to the nature of the work and the internet.
Women also create the market by putting sex up for sale
lncels in denial a.k.a. simps are to blame
I think the issue lies with a lot of men or women not wanting to be with someone who puts themselves out there like that for everyone when that takes away the intimacy between the 2 because what is it you are selling? Sexual content and then it comes down to should we ALL be polygamous then and accept this? Does privacy matter anymore? Why is this such a common theme? What is happening?
The man said that all woman is sleeping with at least one guy.
As a 28 year old woman, who never slept with any man my entire life, I'm questioning myself if I'm broken or if society in itself is broken. Lols. 😆
I’ll be blunt here; the guy was a lying a-hole. It is as it is. He made up complete nonsense as an excuse for not paying for a date. All he has to do is say so.
@@rejectionisprotection4448 I feel like in this podcast, they specifically chose women who has very low morals just to highlight themselves or have a chance to put themselves in a pedestal to make themselves look as if they are the one in the correct side.
When the truth is, if the women in the podcast has like 5 % moral values, he has only 6 or 7%, but he makes it appear as if it is more than that percentage by highlighting the mistakes of the other party.
I don't know if that makes sense.
@@Telltalesign That makes perfect sense. There are plenty of women like you around, but you'll never get invited onto their podcasts because you negate everything they say.
You are not broken...
Quite the opposite
That late a virgin, makes you the minority, even for men. I respect you for it though.
It’s always funny to think about how the scope of the moral panic of women changes through the decades. There’s countless vintage newspaper ads that warn the public about whatever new trend among women is threatening the family or something lol. Women have always been scandalous for just existing, it seems.
Also, forgive me, but as eloquently and intelligently as you presented, I found this video a little more difficult to focus on because you just look so pretty! That lipstick is definitely your color, and I kept having to redirect my focus because my bi brain kept trying to shift by perking up and being like “yes, but pretty woman on screen!!”
I had the same experience while watching! I put this on to listen to while working, but kept looking up and getting mesmerized by her. She always looks beautiful, but in this one she looks exceptionally striking. Hair, makeup, and lighting in perfect harmony.
@@stephaniescott424 I agree completely!
@@henrywoden5281 No need to be bitter, Henry. Do you want me to tell you you’re pretty too?
Dysgenic freak
@@henrywoden5281 Henry, you sad pathetic soul...
Whatever is pushed on my browser whenever I am not logged in, and even when I am, and have dismissed their channel. It's infuriating, like I searched for bad driving vids, why am I getting served these? Pearlythings too, like it's a plague.
"Stupid people are making it big online". Lol, tell us how you really feel! Great video.
Yo this is a great point, I agree
The first time I heard them talk about "modern women" I felt like I'd been transported back to the 1930's. Red Pill conservatives and their so-called traditional values are a dark subset of social media. I really felt like I'd stumbled into a parallel universe. 😮
If they hate modern women so much why can't they date older women? But they view them as "washed up" and unworthy of love. They want both things that can't exist together. They just want to groom and control women as young as possible because of their insecurities.
youre that old huh?
@@morgannyan2738 There was similar talk and criticism of women in the 1930s. They were also called “The Modern Woman”.
@@morgannyan2738 you are under every single comment, this video hit hard for u?
Same it feels like a weird,eerie creepy experience it's like it's the dark ages where women weren't valued as human it's extremely disturbing to me and the way they talk down on the girl's in the podcast is another disturbing issue
There’s something to be said about how these alpha male podcasters host young women who are not very good at expressing their thoughts/opinions in a concise manner .
Predators
"I study biology, but you can study my biology on OF for $4.99/mo"
Such a good video and so relevant for the time! You could do a 4 hour essay digging into all this BS.
The comment under the podcast that said "I would like a wife but then I find this to remind me to stay alone" -
Well, when I see such podcasts it reminds me that men are still misogynistic and I am happy to be aro/ace and never deal with them
They think women care we don’t.
His body - his choice.
He doesn't owe any women a commitment.
These people who get mad at sex workers can't seem to understand that it's a simple economic decision. If your choice is to break your back working 40 hour weeks just to take home like $1000 a paycheck or to take a few nudes a week for like 4 to 8 grand a month, the second option is obviously the better one.
I fully support the idea of an economy based exclusively around what we might term "real jobs," but since we don't have that I won't begrudge these people for trying to get paid enough to live
Precisely. We're all going to take the opportunities we can, and no moral standing is a universal or can be stamped equally upon everyone. Life is tough for all of us in our respective ways.
Every worker is selling their body. The idea that a factory worker, hunched and twisted after years of manual labor, has somehow sold theirs to any less a degree than a sex worker, is an astounding conclusion imo.
@@KidologyCO Again, this is another fallacy
The economic decision is fully understandable and yes, in most cases this is the best choice (see african women immigrating illegally to europe in the 80s and 90s)
However, there is a reason sex work has been looked down on with disdain since the beginning of time
It is a devaluing of sex and cheaping of the body. It isnt just about the economics (if so, then drug dealing shouldnt be shamed)
While sex work can be important (there are studies that show a significant decrease in domestic violence in some part of the US/NY once sex work was legalized) there is always a moral component to it. Lets not the women featured in that podcast are on average 22/23 y/o. What possibly could justify them taking up taking up such job in a society such as the west (compared to african women immigrating illegally to the west for example)?
Your morals don’t matter. This is a man’s world and they’ve sold our souls to the devil (I don’t actually believe in god/devil but you get me)
I’m sure kidolgoy agrees with you but her point is people are going to take the quick money route if they’re brave/stupid enough. Financial security is very very very important and goes above morals nowadays
@@andothersuchnonsense2685 no. X-work is literally selling your physical body. Working in a factory is selling your services . When i work in macdonalds for instance, i can work without the risk of catching a std, getting assulted or unalived. Don't compare the two.
Another banger Kid! I love your cheeky wink at the end... 🧡🧡
The Lighting is perfect!
It's the race for individuality paired with the need for financial flexiblity and 'freedom'.
Hearing about pervous moral panics always help to put things into perspective today
I saw the title and I saw that the video was made by you and I thought to myself " there is no way Kidology would fall for that narrative"
I'm glad I was right. I love you girl, you're a much needed voice of reason in a sea of stupidity ❤
Here's a reply..have a good day ❤
@DMp-xp6mj
It strikes me that as things are getting objectively worse, progressives refuse to consider that perhaps there is a moral aspect to our collective decline.
Personally I think this brand of podcasts exists as a form of "loser pandering" via people whose position within a particular dating subculture grants them a level of legitimacy to their less wordly, emotionally stunted audience. (By looser I'm referring to males with very little going for them in realm of money, skills, status, grades, goals, looks, community, AND morals). The children of Old money, high salaried professionals, and Middle class homeowners are comedicly unconcerned with the topic these podcaster repeatedly discuss. This applies doubly to conservative/religious kids of any income level because they are not even supposed to take part in hookup culture in the first place.
Yeah and less and less people are making it into the middle class. Which is why the manosphere is so popular. You say we live in a bubble, look whose talking.
@@matthewbarr6685 YES how dare I use my knowledge of the middle and upper class people to point out how absolutely vapid and inconsquential the manosphere's content is. It's a travesty I tell you!
Whilst I don’t entirely disagree with your perspective, the children of old money/ middle class actually make up a minority of society. Your view only adds the legitimacy of the arguments made by podcasters in these spaces i.e. that the whole dating market has gone to pot.
@@dicerevo How are they making an accurate assessment of the world of dating if their main perspective is centered around the most promiscuous members of the party scene (who themselves the either children of the elite or aggressive social climbers)? I bring up the elites because these guys also talk a lot about money and influence with regards to relationships and everything they talk about falls flat when you look at the marriage patterns of people who actually have money. Hell it doesn't even make sense when you are looking at the lower middle class. Meanwhile most working/ lower class adults would find these guys to be some combination of degenerate, soft, and self indulgent
exactly lol losers like me
Would be interested in a deeper dive into morality and society and how it has evolved, like... why is morality always fixated with particular topics: why women and sex? Did ancient societies (e.g. before Christianity) have very different concepts of morality, especially toward women? Historically, why was chivalry a big thing, or was it even a big thing? Do we care less about corporate morality? Were "rules of engagement" always a thing in combat? Shouldn't morality be more important where there is a responsibility (on a societal level, or a personal level)? If so, what does sex have to do with responsibility?
The way you connected earlier times (and how they mirror things now) was really interesting, I guess that's what made me think of these questions.
@@TimothyRowland-f6v because societies that didn't focus their morality on women and sex didn't survive, is basic survivorship bias
Morality emerges out of culture, and if you look at various cultures, there will be differences, and only certain key ideas will run as common thread. For every culture morality is an ongoing conversation, out of which new approaches to social order will emerge over time to deal with new challenges. Each age has to learn how to cope, and it's a dynamic process.
@@20thcentury_toy source: just trust me
@@aubreyplazasuncle if you didn't study history in school that's on you
As for the short guy discussion, I feel it is what you make of it. I'm short, several people have turned me down for it but eventhough I'm vertically challenged that hasn't stopped me from finding dates. People have preferences and that lowers my choices. It sucks at times and sometimes it turns out for the best, either way I have to accept it.
So… they gathered groups of young models and s3x/video workers and then were surprised that they were all models and s3x/video workers?
You’re way of speaking and your eloquence is very inspiring to me. I really enjoy your videos.
I am always perplexed when dudes say things like, “All/most women [insert typical assumption here]!” when I have met and befriended plenty of women who do not fit in this perpetuated stereotype. They are able to have iNtElLiGeNt cOnVeRsAtIoNs (I absolutely hate that term), laugh at and crack jokes, and are generally the opposite of this… hackneyed description of “””all women”””. My current partner has even complained about females in that same way!
I have a feeling that these women I’ve met that do not fit in this box would be deemed “pick-me-girls” or some other weird label similar to that. There’s no winning.
Also, I feel like these are the same dudes who say shit like, “The world isn’t going to change just for you!” but then expect the world to change just for them, or they just give up..? Y’all be contradicting yourselves. I think all parties need to be taking some responsibility for how this all turned out. Quit playing the blame game and self-reflect.
On that same note - MGTOW and the manosphere = male version of 3rd wave feminism. Change my mind.
It's not really the male version of feminism, it's a reaction to feminism and it's consequences
@@itwasriggedfromthestart9520 That's wonderful... but you don't fight fire w/ fire. It's the "I know you are, but what am I?!" reaction. Solves nothing and just breeds more contention.
Just like they teach in therapy, it's better to learn how to respond than react.
@@MartianGirl347 I didn't say it's good or bad, I just described it.
But it was probably inevitable that some sort of reaction to feminism had to happen
@@itwasriggedfromthestart9520 I didn't intend for my comment to come across as being defensive, if that's the way it was taken. Honestly, I'm not sure the reaction is completely unwarranted, I just would like to see it being handled better by all who are involved... not just the men or just the women.
@@itwasriggedfromthestart9520 And feminism was a reaction to traditionalism and it’s consequences.
I understand your critique of the OLD statistics but the sample sizes for this are quite large. 10% of a population is massive, so there is actually a fair amount to glean from this data imo
Omg this look is such a vibe❤ Loved hearing your thoughts! 👏👏👏
I suspect that you are or have been a prosjtitute, is this true?
the argument about height is so funny to me. most women just want the man to be taller than them. and, since on average men *are* taller than women, this shouldn't be an issue at all. it's a small minority of men who are shorter than the average woman who should be having a harder time, not most men hahah
@kidology you have so much of my respect for saying things I wish I heard more often. Like the fact that in the US and in the UK people can make a lot of money being absolutely stupid and not suffer any kind of consequence whatsoever as well as the fact that there is a very distinct and segregated mindset that keeps men and women from actually having healthy social relationships with one another.
I lived in North America (Canada) and in Italy as well as the UK and I fear that other European countries will end up like the U.S where boys and girls never hang out with each other.
well when every guy gets the treath of having a false grape accusation hurled at them no wonder they dont want to hang out with girls
Aaaah, the irony of heteronormative socialization.
Men and women are socialized from very young ages to want or pursue things that are opposite or defy eachother. A very obvious example is sex.
Men are encouraged to explore and engage with many as possible before settling down. Hell, sometimes they are encouraged to never settle down.
Meanwhile women are encouraged to not date around and to commit to one man and wait til marriage to have sex.
.....but if I'm doing the math.....and both genders follow both socializations exactly......That shit ain't adding up, it's physical impossible for men and women to follow such when those expectations defy eachother.
Men and women have been socialized so polar opposite from eachother that they ended up incompatible.
Straight people with heteronormative mindsets don't know how to do math.
Are you white?
She's wrong, the consequences are later. There kids in the future will be bullied, and even suicidal over their mothers public life. They wont be able to hold down a quality man.
I saw how my father was struggling in life by taking a caring woman and children who don't care about him and at 15 I promise to myself i will never be a slave to a woman and children. 20 years later i think i made the best decision ever. I think peace, freedom and quietness is priceless 🙏
Because those were the only two choices. 🙄
Sorry but they invite women from this type of business and paint the image, that most women do That.
It’s just about degrading Women.
I don’t know anybody who does that in real life. Maybe it’s more common in America, but Even there it cant be this normal. Stop interviewing this specific type of woman and then complain.
Oh and tell men to stop consuming this stuff. People Go where money flows.
Their guru Andrew Tate litteraly made money with a cam girl business. Hypocricy on another level.
Absolutely love your channel !
this body count thing maybe only matters to certain men, a very small minority. I live in Europe and have literally been rejected for having little sexual experience. I spoke to one guy who said nobody in their right minds would marry a virgin, and to even get into a relationship you have to have sex. So, how many people must one sleep with to land the love of their year in this age of dating apps? its crazy!! and then these You tube people are talking about how one should assume every woman is having sex with someone and myself and other girls like me are like, "what''!! :O
That girl may be saying like so much because she is nervous
Or because she is extremely stupid and unable to form coherent sentences
These social media channels remind me of when people/kids used to compare their lives to reality shows like MySuperSweet16 and the likes. Worrying about how they aren‘t getting a luxury car for their 16th birthday, meanwhile they‘re not rich. And by they I mean my 14/15 yr old self. It took a minute for me to realize that it was not just entertainment but made up, and crafted to illicit an emotional response in the viewer. I wonder what role emotions and psychology play in all this as well. Probably many guys out there upset they‘re supposedly supposed to pay 100$ for a date, meanwhile their crush just wants them to hold their hand. They themselves do not live in the 100$ a date tax bracket so why worry about it?
I think it’s also important to note for the height and genetics/evolution argument that the same would apply with short men/tall women. Tall women wouldn’t necessarily need super tall men because the height genes are already a factor. It’s just a gender swap of a tall man with a short woman-the genetic balance for height is literally identical; beyond that it just becomes a social stigma and preference. Also: height can be a bit recessive. Most dudes in my family are 6’+ but I’m just below 6’. If didn’t transfer directly to me. My grandfather was 6’4 but both his sons are 6’ and 5’10 respectively. His daughters range from somewhat tall (5’7-9) to really short. It’s more of a crapshoot than most would assume.
this video is exactly how i feel abt this internet phenomenon. when i watch those videos NOTHING resonates with me at all. they say "all women are like this" and as someone who is mainly surrounded by women, barely any of them are like that. the internet is an actual disease
I am LOVING kidology’s liberal usage of the word “stupid” in this video.
Completely agree with your points. It's so good to see that you remind everyone over and over that those bubbles aren't real-life. They present caricatures of people or as you labeled them the bourgeoise not actual average people.
But they are though. Everyone and everything is online now. And increasingly so. The "bubble" is massive. Most dating age people meet online today, or keep in touch online today.
So, this is just form personal experience, so it is considered anecdotal. Take it as you will. I have had women stopped contact immediately when finding out my height. I've had woman who KNEW my height beforehand...show up and saw me and said I am really short, and just walk away. I have had women find out my height, and immediately say "we're just friends". The thing with height is real. Not just from women either... Guys also look down on me and make fun of my height..."yea, maybe try alpha posturing when you grow another foot"... ..
14:00 you absolutely nailed it about the bourgeoisie facts and issues being applied to everyday people.
I haven’t watched in a while. This is a refreshing convo on the topic of these podcasts. How are you enjoying your academic project?
One interesting way to view “movements” online like these sorts of podcasts and such, is to view them as potential/likely “canaries in the coal mine” of society.
As you are getting at, by no means should anyone take ONE HUNDRED percent of any one source’s advice, BUT…if you can step back and take a 20,000 foot view, we should take the lot of them seriously.
Because things usually don’t come from nothing. And things usually don’t get massive momentum unless there’s some deeper thread of reality running through all of them, that’s they’re all tapping into (intentionally or otherwise.)
One of the few wise comments on this video.
Your voice is so soothing ❤
actually a good take, reality is not a club in miami
Who should pay on the first date? If you asked you should pay. Not wanting to pay for a date with a promiscuous girl? Why did you even ask her out? If you asked her out because she’s easy then at least buy her some dinner.
some of those girls do OF because its the best way to pay for college or subsidize your low income job. it is what it is.
I find it sad how women have to prostitute themselves to get an education. Education should be cheap or free. And it’s education for moneys sake, not for the love of the subject most of the time. We’ve truly commodified everything we can in this world (children’s minds and bodies included)
It's still gross and they shouldn't be doing it
@@itwasriggedfromthestart9520 If it’s so gross, why are so many people watching it? It’s crazy how men are simultaneously the ones consuming this content and being their biggest critics. If you don’t like, be disciplined and don’t watch, simple.
@@itwasriggedfromthestart9520 it's never going to stop by men decrying it because yall fap to it. Why should she listen to you when there's 200 simps telling her she's a queen?
@@pbj4732 nah. Shame is what guides a culture. We need more people shaming sex work again. It's not glorious. It's not respectable. It's disgusting.
Most of the male outrage at OF creaters comes from jealousy. Men are jealous that the option of doing OnlyFans isn't open to them. However, the thing is, a lot of them actually *could* do OnlyFans and be successful, it's just they would have to market their content to gay men and they don't want to do that.
You do realize most of these men arent gay right? Unless you think being gay is a choice. I guess the boy who gets bullied for his mom doing OF is just jealous of her right? On the topic of succesfullness most men are in higher postions than women and making more money as a result and women dont like that, so according to your logic those women are just jealous right?
I can see your non white -50 iq
Yup these incels don't want to be with beautiful women. They want TO BE a beautiful woman. But because they are incels they have no idea what that would entail.
It could partly be jealousy but it's also because they don't like how women are making a profit off of the bad behavior of men that got too much money and not enough game.
Certain Men will sexualize a woman, but when a woman isn't ashamed of that or does it herself they get angry. They don't like it when a woman takes control of things for herself, even if it also interests or benefits them.
They don't like girls with a certain body count, but they only want to add to her body count
They don't like girls who are kinky, but want girls to participate in their particular kinks
They don't girls who like to be sexual and revealing, yet it's the most frequent type of content they subscribe to
It's all just power dynamics, fantasies of control. Pretty much "How dare you do anything on your own?"
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. So just do what is in your best self interests because they always gonna be mad about something if you happen to be a woman
@@morgannyan2738 Ayo, look at this dude!!!!
He thought he was cooking!!!
He thinks all female sex workers are straight. As if Lesbian porn isnt one of the most popular tags on the hub and straight men literally be fetishizing women who arent sexually interested in them. He probably that dumbass at the strip club who thinks every stripper is straight when a good YONK of them are lesbians or just not attracted to men.
Bro is probably the type that thinks that because he finds a woman attractive that she is straight, as if orientation is somehow byproduct of who finds you attractive when orientation can easily be established before a person is able to attract anyone.
Also bro forgot about systemic oppression and how women back then and even today in some countries aren't even allowed to work or an education to access higher paying jobs
Bro forgot sexism and nepotism exists. Dude you GOOFY, STRAIGHT UP🤣
The thing is most women aren't like this, like You can either make money the easy way or You do it the hard and honest way and You are broke. Shout out to all my fast foods peeps
As someone who lives in real life and has a lot of both male and female friends, these podcasts and red-pillers are so strange to me.. most people are good people, and most men and women are alike. Thats not say I don’t know any men with some weird views on women. I always explain to them my point of view and my experiences and try to help them understand that we are not so different. I think sexism has negative effects on everybody, and I always tell them that I support men being able to be vulnerable and real equality for everyone, but they are almost always shocked to learn the level of violence I have witnessed from men and the precautions I take every day (such as not speaking to people I don’t know well unless I’m in a trusted environment and not walking away from main paths where people have attempted to hurt me).
The truth is there are negative stereotypes from every group, who don’t represent that group. But the interesting people aren’t the normal quiet people living their lives harmlessly, even though that’s the majority, so we don’t see those people in media. I also think our cultures hyper focus on romantic love hurts people. Platonic and familial love are so much more fulfilling in my experience, and so much more stable. If you are truly lonely, try making friends first. It is never healthy to have only one person in your life.
I'm a simple guy, i get a notification that another Kidology vid is out and it brightens an already sunny day. This one is a killer, loved it.
You have the most eloquent voice, it is so soothing
Really liked this. As someone who intermittently forays into online dating and then remembers how soul destroying it is this felt apt.
Listening to that guy justify not paying for a date (and there are many legitimate reasons to go halves on a date) in such bleak cynical terms. Why did we get so resentful and selfish?
Hope you enjoy your stay in the sunshine
I don't think he realises that if he isn't willing to at least pay for a first date there may not be a second one. Most women do not like cheap men... Splitting the bill is something that comes later on in a relationship... otherwise he is setting himself for a 'lets just be friends' scenario. Not that paying entitles a guy to anything... but it's good manners for them to at least offer.
@@elasroczynski5987 that was his point. Not paying for someone's entire meal isn't cheap, but women frame it that way.
@@elasroczynski5987 you’re proving his point
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That guy is a multimillionaire.
He doesn't have to try to get dates.
He can't speak for all men.
Those videos are simply for entertainment.
MGTOW
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Always go Dutch. If she objects then you know what she's about.
And they say women are dramatic
When these sites were starting up and becoming popular I remember many high schoolers saying they were going to pursue it as it paid well and to have fun, very few because they needed to pay their college, of which were unknowing of the ramifications that would have on their professional life
Things were so over sexualized growing up, you saw it everywhere or experienced it from older weirdos, people compared body count in middle and highschool which is sad, and if you had none some people made fun of you or looked down on you, and in my twenties people acted surprised because I hadn’t lost my virginity which is weird af to me, like why do you care, and I’m happy I waited for someone I love
It’s crazy to think these people are around my age now, they are so young it’s honestly creepy and sad and I feel so disconnected from my generation and people my age even more every time something new comes up
Also hate these podcasts because they make women look and as if it’s the majority of women or all women or regular women and quite disrespectful, they really don’t choose a variety of opinions, I feel like lot these people are just speaking from personal experience and bitter or hurt and not as trusting because they have been surrounded by such people and seeing it more or experienced it more “dating”
Here is the thing.
I am against any kind of sex work. I find it predatory, dangerous and dehumanazing.
I think its sad so many young women these days are so eager to start something like an only fans.
However the reason so many start to work as sex workers is because there is a large customer base.
So you cant say women are immoral and men should shame them, given how most of their money comes from men.
this has also made me think about how Awesome Street Fighter Music is used as a descriptive cue for these audiences.
like, i enjoy listening to "Hensonn - Sahara" as much as the next person, but really, using it as a way to tell the audience that you won a verbal battle...i mean really, think about it...Tiktok has given us all the ability to emotionally prompt an audience using music, but it's cringe when only implemented to make yourself look cool.
Yeah that’s true, phonk is now a cringe genre. Old phonk had NOTHING to do with the shit that these losers whine about