When I say this lessons, first impulse was , “men I’m scared” , got my pen and started working it became easier than I thought, Thanks a lot DRAWBOX instructors
The box challenge was really rough for me, I had to stop a few times for days or weeks just because it was so mind numbing. Because of this my boxes didn't really improve, I found it was more of a battle of getting the work done rather than actually enjoying the learning experience. Should I continue with the lessons or go back and try again? I don't think I could make it through again :|
What's always most important to me is that when you actually do the exercise, you follow the instructions. I find that often when students get caught up in "ohh this is so much it's crushing my soul" and get in the mode where they just wanna rush through it, they more frequently neglect anything beyond the box itself - meaning they skip the line extensions. Those line extensions are critical for actually identifying your mistakes and ultimately learning from them. So if you did do those, and actually assessed what you were doing wrong, then that's fine. Go ahead and move on. If you didn't do that part, then frankly it's really up to you, but know that not following the instructions isn't going to yield as much of a return. And on that point, keep in mind that part of the earliest instructions back in lesson 0 are all about learning to divide your time spent drawing between half on learning/improving through exercises and lessons (drawabox and whatever else), and half on drawing for the sake of drawing without any focus on actually improving and instead learning to just enjoy yourself. If you're getting burnt out, then you're probably not giving yourself a chance to do anything just for the fun of it.
@@Uncomfortable Thanks for the quick reply, I appreciate it. After every session I did I took a critical eye to my work and assessed what I did according to the lesson. I found after tracing with the multi color pens I could really see what I was doing wrong and after a while I didn't need to use them. However I still looked at them properly and even put marks here and there to show where I went wrong. I actually haven't been drawing for the sake of pleasure as I completely missed that part in the introduction haha I think I'll start that now :)
@@CLOUD-dy9cr Well, Proko is a full business with employees, a studio and expensive equipment that needs to be paid for. I think his courses are well worth the investment of getting the skills and knowledge that you will use throughout your life. If you actually pay attention, you will find the information that he is teaching absolutely priceless and timeless.
@@seshiria_4290 Marshall's breakdown of technical perspective is quite widely respected, so it's a great choice. Whether you want to delve into it now, or later, is up to you. I actually mention in the new Lesson 0 "What are the fundamentals" video that Drawabox touches on only certain bare necessities of perspective, while leaving students to explore it further as desired on their own - though that in my career, I haven't really needed to leverage more than what I share in this course, as being "correct enough" is often sufficient, and there have been few situations where hyper-perfect perspective has been necessary. All the same, going through Marshall's course at some point is going to help build upon the basics you'll learn here.
Bro, i'm brazilian and i don't speak english very well, i undertand a little bit. I watch your videos cause i know that the fundamentals is a very important to learn and thank you for this free content. Just now, i finished the 250 box challenge and i will be go to do the 250 cyllinder challenge. I have a Question: I wan't only learn perspective and construction drawing from basic shapes (sphere, cube and cyllinder), should i skip the texture lessons? Sorry about this text, i don't use any translator, i wan't to learn english and i'm training for this.
Texture, as we explore it in this course, isn't actually as different from the rest of the material as you may think it is. Texture itself is basically the same thing, just at a very small scale. So you should still go through it as explained here, even if you don't fully understand it right now. My aim is not for you to master texture right now - just to plant a seed, that we will nurture and water throughout the rest of the course. Also, as a side note, the 250 cylinder challenge is better off left until much later in the course - between lessons 5 and 6.
The videos that were on that playlist were never meant to be used on their own. The new ones are going to be more standalone (though I always recommend students go through the written material as well), but for the older videos going through the written material is more required. So you should be following through the website, and going through the videos in the order they're presented there, and doing the readings in between.
in the previous lessons you were talking about shading along with the form of the object in order to make the illusion stronger. Now obviously the ribbon is flat, but as it bends would it not be helpfull to shade along with the bend of the ribbon? Or does this not apply to a bending flat surface? it seems slightly contradictory to me that you shade with vertical lines in this case, or is it?
So there's a bit to unpack here. 1. In previous lessons, and in future lessons, we don't really deal with shading at all. At most, when we're drawing through a form, we might fill one of its front-facing faces with hatching to separate it visually from the lines making up the opposite side of the box. This is just so we can tell them apart and understand what we're looking at more easily. In lesson 2, I specifically discuss why we don't use shading - because it's a less effective tool that students tend to use to convey the illusion that a form is three dimensional. We have plenty of tools for that already that are more effective - constructional techniques like drawing through forms and contour lines. I explain thus further here: drawabox.com/lesson/2/2/notshading 2. In the arrows, we're basically doing the same thing - using them to separate the part of the arrow that's in front from the part that's behind. You *could* place these lines to follow the curvature of the ribbon, but the likelihood of this turning out well is pretty slim. I find that adding any hatching that follows a deforming surface will virtually always come out poorly, because it requires you to follow that surface perfectly with every stroke. I suppose you could practice to achieve that skill, but it isn't a particularly good use of your time in my eyes. Orienting the hatching to go across the ribbon rather than down it is vastly more effective. It still runs along the surface of the form, just the one that is considerably easier to achieve without breaking the illusion (by making your contour lines too shallow or what have you). You'll encounter this same situation with cylinders as well. Remember that *any* orientation that continues to run along a given surface works. While the ribbon or a cylinder may curve in one direction, it's still running flat in the other.
Uncomfortable This was very helpfull, thank you for the answere. I experimented with shading in the other direction and found it, just like you said, very difficult.
This exercise is literally the easiest if i haven't payed much attention to 3-dimensions. But as soon as i tries to think how the ribbon flows through 3 dimensions, my brain switch off due to an overload. I was actually kind of struggling with the leaves exercise from lesson 3 and making it overlap on its own, so i tried getting back here. But hell this is still mind breaking
This is not something I would recommend, just as I would not recommend observing box-like objects for the box challenge. These exercises are meant to help develop your internal understanding of 3D space, and while doing it in your head is certainly a lot harder, that difficulty is specifically chosen over observation because it is more effective for the purposes we're after. It's best not to modify the instructions as a student, as you aren't in a position to fully grasp the why behind the choices we've made when designing this course and its exercises. That said, when you've gone through the course as a whole, there may well be changes you'd opt to make - but at that point you will have had the experience and understanding to make those changes.
Exercises are expected to have all kinds of blunders and mistakes - the point is not how pretty and clean it looks at the end, and therefore there's no real concept of everything being "ruined". Line weight is generally employed on limited sections of lines, specifically where we want to clarify an overlap, not along the entirety of a given line, so you're generally not going to be adding line weight to an overly long section. To that end, you should make sure that when you add line weight, you're doing so using the ghosting method, so you can execute it with confidence. This confidence will keep the stroke smooth, and will also result in a more natural taper on the start and end of the line, allowing it to blend more smoothly with the underlying stroke. You *might* still make a mistake - that happens, but ultimately no one is going to hit you for it. Mistakes are part of the process.
im following a weird roadmap that basicaly says "draw a box lesson 1-3 and draw 250 cubes in 4 weeks" managed to do 50 cubes so far but doing this as it is a bit boring and it does help "trick" me into drawing in 3d rather then trying to draw a box while folowing 3 made up perspective points
Honestly I would not recommend trying to apply any sort of deadlines or time frame to this course - which is why throughout Lesson 0 I stress the importance of giving yourself as much time as you require to complete the assigned work to the best of your current ability. This is incredibly important in the context of how this course is designed and intended to be taken - so if some third party resource is telling you otherwise, then you're not really following the course as it's meant to be done. It also honestly makes me question whether the person behind that roadmap actually followed it themselves, or rather devised it as an aspirational/theoretical plan without really putting it through its paces. Lastly, keep in mind that our 250 box challenge does not involve drawing cubes, in that they're not specifically required to be equal in size in all three dimensions (something that is quite complex, which we don't really get into until much later in the course). They're just "boxes", without any specific proportional requirements. While I suspect you may know this and it may have simply been a difference in the wording used, I did want to make sure I mentioned it, just in case.
These notes from the written notes may help: drawabox.com/lesson/2/4/overlap . Additionaly, try and do your best to make the second edge very close to a copy of the first. So you'll still consider foreshortening, but aside from that, the second edge should follow the same trajectory to the first. This will cause it to overlap the first.
Would this exercise not on its own already constitute more practice with curved lines? It's a relatively limited exercise that will help you work on your ability to draw long, flowing lines, alongside its primary focus of exploring the three dimensions of space.
@@Uncomfortable but my first page is really awful can I do more or I've to move to the next lesson and do these 10 minutes every day before start drawing? And thanks for the lesson Att. hehehe exactly now I manage to draw with more 3d perspective about what you were saying "further and close" thanks again
@@ensis8716 I believe the lesson assigns 2 pages anyway. Either way, the focus is not on how good your results are - it's on whether or not you can demonstrate to whoever reviews your work you understand what you should be aiming for. If you can demonstrate that, then you move onto the next exercise, and as you mentioned, integrate them into your warmups.
I'm surprised how many people took months to finish the challenge. I did it in a week because of my tight schedule on finishing all the courses in the summer. I don't know if I did it right. Help (lol).
@@BunnyTrashPrincess I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it's unlikely that you went through it correctly. At 250 boxes in 2 days, it's 125 boxes per day. At 8 hours per day, that's around 15 boxes per hour. When focusing on doing the work to the best of their ability and following the process laid out in the instructions (using the ghosting method for each line, drawing through boxes, thinking about how each line we add is meant to converge with the other members of its set, and applying the line extensions at the end of each page) most students get 5-10 done per hour. While being 50% faster than that isn't a *huge* deal, that's still based on 8 hours of work each day, without breaks, and without matching it per the 50% rule introduced in Lesson 0. I really don't mean to rain on your achievement of completing the box challenge, but you should definitely review Lesson 0 and make sure you're using the course as it's designed to be used, to avoid the significant risks of burn out and make sure that you're actually getting something out of it. Wouldn't want you to invest a ton of time into the course, only to have a bad experience because it may not have been followed correctly.
@@BunnyTrashPrincess Glad to hear it. This video may also help give some context as to how one might pace themselves and what they think about when approaching their boxes: ruclips.net/video/mteUPdCHn4s/видео.html I'm actually working on the new videos for the box challenge (in the middle of recording some last bits of live-drawing footage as we speak), so that stuff will be incorporated into the proper material soon, but in the meantime Scylla does a great job of demonstrating it.
After my long 2 months of 250 boxes, I’ve finally made it.... As important and beneficial as that challenge was, I’m excited to move on to the new stuff! :D
@@blackcitadel37 Yup, sooo many boxes. Was worth it though, at the start it felt weird, then you transition to feeling the 3d nature of the box, then the boxes feel almost automatic when you have a great understanding, then you can feel things so clearly you don't really have to shade one side in order "get it"
I feel like 90% of my focus and frustration is going towards successfully superimposing the curve, and making sure it is identical to the first. Is that what I should be investing my time into, rather than visualizing the 3d space and coming up with the entire arrow orientation?
As discussed back in Lesson 1, accuracy shouldn't be your focus. Your focus should always first be on executing a smooth, confident stroke, putting flow over accuracy. This will help you think more about how the edge flows through 3D space, rather than how it exists on the 2D page itself.
@@Uncomfortable Thank you for clearing my head. And thank you SO much for replying so soon! I'm burned out for today but you have given me the strength to push ahead tomorrow.
Hi, I am not sure if I am supposed to practice every step individually and then do the homework? because in the previous lesson you said that we need to do just as the homework says, for example, one page so without practicing before doing one page of the thing that the homework is. But here if I understand correctly, first I need to practice doing the s curve and then practice doing the s curve and copping it under the first s curve and then after that practice to change the width of the arrow because the perspective is changing, is that correct? Or I just do one page as I can from the first time and second page and continue to the next homework exercises? And one more question, do I have to do line weight? because in the homework example I don't see that there are a line weight on the arrows. I hope my questions is clear (I am sorry if not, let me know and I will try to rephrase it) Thank you in advance!
You just do the assigned number of pages for the given exercise. Every arrow will be an opportunity to practice each part of the exercise. Some of them will turn out badly, but with practice you'll get better at it. The assigned quantity is intended to demonstrate that you understand what you should be aiming for - not that you're able to do it perfectly.
That depends on whether you gave each box, and each individual mark as much time as you required to do it to the best of your current ability, so as to ensure that whoever's giving you feedback has an accurate representation of your current understanding of the relevant concepts so as to identify any misunderstandings or other things you might want to address before moving forward.
2 weeks is realistic. First and second time I did the challenge I did the 250 in 2 days. I'm repeating now and give myself more time so I don't rush through the challenge
Well it depends on how much time you spend on it each day. I only spent like 1 hour to 1 and a half each day doing the challenge, drawing 5-10 boxes a day. And some days i can't draw any since life gets in the way.
I caught onto something very helpful in drawing these ribbon arrows. First, draw your first S line. Then beneath it draw another but think of it as drawing the shadow of the first line.
honestly i enjoyed the box challenge a lot, i didnt have any time constraints so it was fun sitting there for 5 hours at a time just drawing boxes while listening to documentaries and music
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its been 250 boxes since ive heard from you. glad you are back
I feel the same @_@
wth... I drew 254 boxes and I almost puked
@Pompeli Possu I drew 500 eeuhehu
@@ensis8716 Wow, and I was complaining about having to draw 250
Took me 3 full months + around a week to finished that boxes xD
FEELS LIKE FOREVER AFTER THE 250 BOXES
:P Welcome to the other side.
For me it was almost 2 months
@@Foxclip 3 months and a week here, damn xD
3 months and a half for me
it tooks me 3 mounts also
hahahahah
Glad meeting you after 7 months of drawing boxes. That was hard.
When I say this lessons, first impulse was , “men I’m scared” , got my pen and started working it became easier than I thought, Thanks a lot DRAWBOX instructors
Thanks for offering this drawing program. Super helpful!!
I'm glad I could help!
3 year update on your art journey?
The box challenge was really rough for me, I had to stop a few times for days or weeks just because it was so mind numbing. Because of this my boxes didn't really improve, I found it was more of a battle of getting the work done rather than actually enjoying the learning experience. Should I continue with the lessons or go back and try again? I don't think I could make it through again :|
What's always most important to me is that when you actually do the exercise, you follow the instructions. I find that often when students get caught up in "ohh this is so much it's crushing my soul" and get in the mode where they just wanna rush through it, they more frequently neglect anything beyond the box itself - meaning they skip the line extensions. Those line extensions are critical for actually identifying your mistakes and ultimately learning from them. So if you did do those, and actually assessed what you were doing wrong, then that's fine. Go ahead and move on.
If you didn't do that part, then frankly it's really up to you, but know that not following the instructions isn't going to yield as much of a return. And on that point, keep in mind that part of the earliest instructions back in lesson 0 are all about learning to divide your time spent drawing between half on learning/improving through exercises and lessons (drawabox and whatever else), and half on drawing for the sake of drawing without any focus on actually improving and instead learning to just enjoy yourself. If you're getting burnt out, then you're probably not giving yourself a chance to do anything just for the fun of it.
@@Uncomfortable Thanks for the quick reply, I appreciate it. After every session I did I took a critical eye to my work and assessed what I did according to the lesson. I found after tracing with the multi color pens I could really see what I was doing wrong and after a while I didn't need to use them. However I still looked at them properly and even put marks here and there to show where I went wrong.
I actually haven't been drawing for the sake of pleasure as I completely missed that part in the introduction haha I think I'll start that now :)
And I'm here after 250 box challenge. Yay!
you are like proko but instead of teaching anatomy but you teaches perspective and form, thanks :D
Hahahaha! Well, I mean.. sort of.. though his videos have *way* higher production values, and a lot more work goes into them.
And instead of proko, he actually teaches without a paywall where you actually learn and not vaguely teach you in videos.
@@CLOUD-dy9cr Well, Proko is a full business with employees, a studio and expensive equipment that needs to be paid for. I think his courses are well worth the investment of getting the skills and knowledge that you will use throughout your life. If you actually pay attention, you will find the information that he is teaching absolutely priceless and timeless.
@@seshiria_4290 Marshall's breakdown of technical perspective is quite widely respected, so it's a great choice. Whether you want to delve into it now, or later, is up to you. I actually mention in the new Lesson 0 "What are the fundamentals" video that Drawabox touches on only certain bare necessities of perspective, while leaving students to explore it further as desired on their own - though that in my career, I haven't really needed to leverage more than what I share in this course, as being "correct enough" is often sufficient, and there have been few situations where hyper-perfect perspective has been necessary.
All the same, going through Marshall's course at some point is going to help build upon the basics you'll learn here.
3:28 - copy and paste s line, fill in gap between edges (however, no depth present)
Bro, i'm brazilian and i don't speak english very well, i undertand a little bit. I watch your videos cause i know that the fundamentals is a very important to learn and thank you for this free content. Just now, i finished the 250 box challenge and i will be go to do the 250 cyllinder challenge. I have a Question: I wan't only learn perspective and construction drawing from basic shapes (sphere, cube and cyllinder), should i skip the texture lessons? Sorry about this text, i don't use any translator, i wan't to learn english and i'm training for this.
Texture, as we explore it in this course, isn't actually as different from the rest of the material as you may think it is. Texture itself is basically the same thing, just at a very small scale. So you should still go through it as explained here, even if you don't fully understand it right now. My aim is not for you to master texture right now - just to plant a seed, that we will nurture and water throughout the rest of the course.
Also, as a side note, the 250 cylinder challenge is better off left until much later in the course - between lessons 5 and 6.
why they deleted the playlist from the drawabox classes? it was helping me a lot!
The videos that were on that playlist were never meant to be used on their own. The new ones are going to be more standalone (though I always recommend students go through the written material as well), but for the older videos going through the written material is more required.
So you should be following through the website, and going through the videos in the order they're presented there, and doing the readings in between.
in the previous lessons you were talking about shading along with the form of the object in order to make the illusion stronger. Now obviously the ribbon is flat, but as it bends would it not be helpfull to shade along with the bend of the ribbon? Or does this not apply to a bending flat surface? it seems slightly contradictory to me that you shade with vertical lines in this case, or is it?
So there's a bit to unpack here.
1. In previous lessons, and in future lessons, we don't really deal with shading at all. At most, when we're drawing through a form, we might fill one of its front-facing faces with hatching to separate it visually from the lines making up the opposite side of the box. This is just so we can tell them apart and understand what we're looking at more easily. In lesson 2, I specifically discuss why we don't use shading - because it's a less effective tool that students tend to use to convey the illusion that a form is three dimensional. We have plenty of tools for that already that are more effective - constructional techniques like drawing through forms and contour lines. I explain thus further here: drawabox.com/lesson/2/2/notshading
2. In the arrows, we're basically doing the same thing - using them to separate the part of the arrow that's in front from the part that's behind. You *could* place these lines to follow the curvature of the ribbon, but the likelihood of this turning out well is pretty slim. I find that adding any hatching that follows a deforming surface will virtually always come out poorly, because it requires you to follow that surface perfectly with every stroke. I suppose you could practice to achieve that skill, but it isn't a particularly good use of your time in my eyes. Orienting the hatching to go across the ribbon rather than down it is vastly more effective. It still runs along the surface of the form, just the one that is considerably easier to achieve without breaking the illusion (by making your contour lines too shallow or what have you). You'll encounter this same situation with cylinders as well. Remember that *any* orientation that continues to run along a given surface works. While the ribbon or a cylinder may curve in one direction, it's still running flat in the other.
Uncomfortable
This was very helpfull, thank you for the answere.
I experimented with shading in the other direction and found it, just like you said, very difficult.
This exercise is literally the easiest if i haven't payed much attention to 3-dimensions. But as soon as i tries to think how the ribbon flows through 3 dimensions, my brain switch off due to an overload. I was actually kind of struggling with the leaves exercise from lesson 3 and making it overlap on its own, so i tried getting back here. But hell this is still mind breaking
Glad to be here, 250 boxes later.
tip for this exercise make a paper tape in real life with paper this can help you visualize the tape better and also trains your observation
This is not something I would recommend, just as I would not recommend observing box-like objects for the box challenge. These exercises are meant to help develop your internal understanding of 3D space, and while doing it in your head is certainly a lot harder, that difficulty is specifically chosen over observation because it is more effective for the purposes we're after. It's best not to modify the instructions as a student, as you aren't in a position to fully grasp the why behind the choices we've made when designing this course and its exercises. That said, when you've gone through the course as a whole, there may well be changes you'd opt to make - but at that point you will have had the experience and understanding to make those changes.
I’ve been dreaming about boxes for 2 weeks
How am i supposed to superimpose the arrows, every time i do that it just ruins everything
Exercises are expected to have all kinds of blunders and mistakes - the point is not how pretty and clean it looks at the end, and therefore there's no real concept of everything being "ruined".
Line weight is generally employed on limited sections of lines, specifically where we want to clarify an overlap, not along the entirety of a given line, so you're generally not going to be adding line weight to an overly long section. To that end, you should make sure that when you add line weight, you're doing so using the ghosting method, so you can execute it with confidence. This confidence will keep the stroke smooth, and will also result in a more natural taper on the start and end of the line, allowing it to blend more smoothly with the underlying stroke.
You *might* still make a mistake - that happens, but ultimately no one is going to hit you for it. Mistakes are part of the process.
Aight thanks!
im following a weird roadmap that basicaly says "draw a box lesson 1-3 and draw 250 cubes in 4 weeks"
managed to do 50 cubes so far but doing this as it is a bit boring and it does help "trick" me into drawing in 3d rather then trying to draw a box while folowing 3 made up perspective points
Honestly I would not recommend trying to apply any sort of deadlines or time frame to this course - which is why throughout Lesson 0 I stress the importance of giving yourself as much time as you require to complete the assigned work to the best of your current ability. This is incredibly important in the context of how this course is designed and intended to be taken - so if some third party resource is telling you otherwise, then you're not really following the course as it's meant to be done.
It also honestly makes me question whether the person behind that roadmap actually followed it themselves, or rather devised it as an aspirational/theoretical plan without really putting it through its paces.
Lastly, keep in mind that our 250 box challenge does not involve drawing cubes, in that they're not specifically required to be equal in size in all three dimensions (something that is quite complex, which we don't really get into until much later in the course). They're just "boxes", without any specific proportional requirements. While I suspect you may know this and it may have simply been a difference in the wording used, I did want to make sure I mentioned it, just in case.
phew! cant wait for 250 ellipses challenge to finish me :D
I am really struggling with this as I cant figure out when I should overlap or not because sometime I overlap and It makes an X shape
These notes from the written notes may help: drawabox.com/lesson/2/4/overlap . Additionaly, try and do your best to make the second edge very close to a copy of the first. So you'll still consider foreshortening, but aside from that, the second edge should follow the same trajectory to the first. This will cause it to overlap the first.
lets celebrate ourselves for getting here and destroying that 250 box challenge
Can I put more time training curve lines before start this exercise? 'Cause I'm having much trouble with line weight
Would this exercise not on its own already constitute more practice with curved lines? It's a relatively limited exercise that will help you work on your ability to draw long, flowing lines, alongside its primary focus of exploring the three dimensions of space.
@@Uncomfortable but my first page is really awful can I do more or I've to move to the next lesson and do these 10 minutes every day before start drawing? And thanks for the lesson
Att. hehehe exactly now I manage to draw with more 3d perspective about what you were saying "further and close" thanks again
@@ensis8716 I believe the lesson assigns 2 pages anyway. Either way, the focus is not on how good your results are - it's on whether or not you can demonstrate to whoever reviews your work you understand what you should be aiming for. If you can demonstrate that, then you move onto the next exercise, and as you mentioned, integrate them into your warmups.
I'm surprised how many people took months to finish the challenge. I did it in a week because of my tight schedule on finishing all the courses in the summer. I don't know if I did it right. Help (lol).
Playlist please!
Go to the website and follow the lessons and videos as presented there.
another 250 boxes bites the dust.
Congratulations!
2 Days of 250 boxes and here I'm
Are you saying you completed the 250 box challenge in 2 days?
@@Uncomfortable Kinda, I'm on vacation and hyper-focusing so I didn't do anything else 😐
@@BunnyTrashPrincess I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it's unlikely that you went through it correctly. At 250 boxes in 2 days, it's 125 boxes per day. At 8 hours per day, that's around 15 boxes per hour. When focusing on doing the work to the best of their ability and following the process laid out in the instructions (using the ghosting method for each line, drawing through boxes, thinking about how each line we add is meant to converge with the other members of its set, and applying the line extensions at the end of each page) most students get 5-10 done per hour.
While being 50% faster than that isn't a *huge* deal, that's still based on 8 hours of work each day, without breaks, and without matching it per the 50% rule introduced in Lesson 0.
I really don't mean to rain on your achievement of completing the box challenge, but you should definitely review Lesson 0 and make sure you're using the course as it's designed to be used, to avoid the significant risks of burn out and make sure that you're actually getting something out of it. Wouldn't want you to invest a ton of time into the course, only to have a bad experience because it may not have been followed correctly.
@@Uncomfortable Thanks!, I was kinda thinking that I was going way too fast compared to others to be correct, I'll re-read the stuff :-)
@@BunnyTrashPrincess Glad to hear it. This video may also help give some context as to how one might pace themselves and what they think about when approaching their boxes: ruclips.net/video/mteUPdCHn4s/видео.html
I'm actually working on the new videos for the box challenge (in the middle of recording some last bits of live-drawing footage as we speak), so that stuff will be incorporated into the proper material soon, but in the meantime Scylla does a great job of demonstrating it.
After my long 2 months of 250 boxes, I’ve finally made it.... As important and beneficial as that challenge was, I’m excited to move on to the new stuff! :D
Congratulations!
The 250 boxes challenge and the rotated boxes exercises is what separate men from boys.
@@blackcitadel37 Yup, sooo many boxes. Was worth it though, at the start it felt weird, then you transition to feeling the 3d nature of the box, then the boxes feel almost automatic when you have a great understanding, then you can feel things so clearly you don't really have to shade one side in order "get it"
1 month and 250 boxes later. It’s good to be back 😄.
3 year update on your art journey?
@@hellothisismyopinion4162 he ded
@@RH-nk7eo well i'm not.
I'd rather do 250 boxes again. My organic arrows look terrible
250 boxes 📦 done finally
Ur a great teacher to share ur knowledge to us
Thank you once again
i'm finally here after 250 boxes! it took me a while but I'm glad to be here
Congrats!
Dang this feels SOOO rewarding after going through 250 BOXES of hell lmao
7:15 your belly grumbles lol
250 boxes later
Finally here after 250 boxes...Congratulations to everyone here!
took me 4 months for the 250 box, got much faster in the last month. Looking forward to the next excerises.
Congrats on pushing through and getting to the end!
Took me a year💀
6:03)- Superb .
I know what this lesson entails you can’t fool me I know what is ahead of this. Trying to trick me with a cute little arrow. I am no fool!
Im so so so so bad at this one
I feel like 90% of my focus and frustration is going towards successfully superimposing the curve, and making sure it is identical to the first. Is that what I should be investing my time into, rather than visualizing the 3d space and coming up with the entire arrow orientation?
As discussed back in Lesson 1, accuracy shouldn't be your focus. Your focus should always first be on executing a smooth, confident stroke, putting flow over accuracy. This will help you think more about how the edge flows through 3D space, rather than how it exists on the 2D page itself.
@@Uncomfortable Thank you for clearing my head. And thank you SO much for replying so soon! I'm burned out for today but you have given me the strength to push ahead tomorrow.
nice lesson
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Hi, I am not sure if I am supposed to practice every step individually and then do the homework? because in the previous lesson you said that we need to do just as the homework says, for example, one page so without practicing before doing one page of the thing that the homework is.
But here if I understand correctly, first I need to practice doing the s curve and then practice doing the s curve and copping it under the first s curve and then after that practice to change the width of the arrow because the perspective is changing, is that correct?
Or I just do one page as I can from the first time and second page and continue to the next homework exercises?
And one more question, do I have to do line weight? because in the homework example I don't see that there are a line weight on the arrows.
I hope my questions is clear (I am sorry if not, let me know and I will try to rephrase it)
Thank you in advance!
You just do the assigned number of pages for the given exercise. Every arrow will be an opportunity to practice each part of the exercise. Some of them will turn out badly, but with practice you'll get better at it. The assigned quantity is intended to demonstrate that you understand what you should be aiming for - not that you're able to do it perfectly.
@@Uncomfortable Thank you for the detailed answer!
Is it bad that I completed the 250 box challenge only a half a month?
That depends on whether you gave each box, and each individual mark as much time as you required to do it to the best of your current ability, so as to ensure that whoever's giving you feedback has an accurate representation of your current understanding of the relevant concepts so as to identify any misunderstandings or other things you might want to address before moving forward.
I felt confident going into lesson 2 after completing 250 boxes. But somehow... I am struggling with the damn arrrows.
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1 week and 2 small sketchbooks to finish those boxes, glad i'm on the other side now
Congrats!
It took you guys months but it took me like 2 weeks. Not just that but I did 550 boxes😭
2 weeks is realistic. First and second time I did the challenge I did the 250 in 2 days. I'm repeating now and give myself more time so I don't rush through the challenge
@@MrEvilPuck Good to know, thanks dude👍
Well it depends on how much time you spend on it each day. I only spent like 1 hour to 1 and a half each day doing the challenge, drawing 5-10 boxes a day. And some days i can't draw any since life gets in the way.
I caught onto something very helpful in drawing these ribbon arrows. First, draw your first S line. Then beneath it draw another but think of it as drawing the shadow of the first line.
Huh, that's actually a pretty good idea! As long as you, or the student in question, has a good grasp of how shadows work, anyway. Keep at it!
honestly i enjoyed the box challenge a lot, i didnt have any time constraints so it was fun sitting there for 5 hours at a time just drawing boxes while listening to documentaries and music
how do you not get bored?!!?
@@SUPRIzEi listening to stuff and not having adhd or gen alpha attention span
damn u were doing it for 5 hours??? i just did 25 boxes a day which was like an hour
the use of big fancy words can really throw me off fast and make me google search it
Could you give me an example of a word in the video that you had trouble with?
usually words like intersect which just basically means going through each other and stuff
That word is introduced in primary school when you study transversals D:
yeah I have bad memory and bad iq
@@IamALeaf of course, you're a leaf!